Libyan solution for Syria is in the works

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Libya redux. The phrase sums up the shifting political sentiments — and rhetoric — toward Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime as Western leaders edge closer to military intervention.

At a meeting of the 14-member Friends of Syria group in Paris on Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton raised the possibility of NATO involvement in Syria even as the United Nations Security Council made clear that the Syrian government’s continued violations of a ceasefire won’t prevent the deployment of as many as 300 UN observers.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon and his special envoy to Syria, Kofi Annan, asked the Security Council to authorize an expanded mission of unarmed military observers, saying Assad’s regime has failed to abide by the terms of a six-point peace plan it negotiated with Annan last week.

In Paris, Clinton said Turkey may invoke the North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s charter provision triggering consultations if a member’s security is threatened. Turkey, she said, has already discussed with NATO “the burden of Syrian refugees on Turkey, the outrageous shelling across the border from Syria into Turkey a week ago, and that Turkey is considering formally invoking Article 4” of the NATO charter.

Article 4, if invoked, would oblige Turkey’s NATO partners to consider action to stop the Syrian Army from shelling rebel positions along the border areas. Last week, after Syrian troops fired shells into Turkey, the Turkish government threatened to invoke Article 5, which refers to an attack on one NATO member as an attack on all.

Clinton stopped short of a direct call for military intervention, but urged the UN to adopt a resolution authorizing an arms embargo — a policy adopted during the Libyan crisis — and tougher sanctions.

In a joint statement, the Friends of Syria, a group that includes France, the U.S., Canada, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, among others, said the Annan plan was the “last hope.”

Canadian Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird, who was in Paris for the meeting, said Canada will “push aggressively” to ensure Syria complies with the peace plan. That could include sending UN observers to monitor the ceasefire, Baird said in a teleconference from Paris, adding, however, it was “premature” to talk of sending Canadian soldiers to the region.

Baird said the Friends of Syria “didn’t discuss any sort of military engagement.” Instead, the group sent “a strong message” to the Syrian regime.

Perhaps so, but French President Nicolas Sarkozy compared the situation in Syria to that in Libya before the NATO campaign that resulted in the ouster of Moammar Gadhafi’s regime. “Bashar al-Assad is lying. He wants to wipe (the town of) Homs off the map just like Gadhafi wanted to destroy Benghazi.”

Last year, as they sought to justify the Libyan campaign, Sarkozy and other Western leaders regularly deployed rhetoric about humanitarian intervention, “the responsibility to protect” and the need to prevent more civilian deaths.

Sarkozy echoed that rhetoric Thursday, saying the time had come for active intervention against the Assad regime. “The solution is the establishment of humanitarian corridors so that an opposition can exist in Syria.”

Elsewhere, in a briefing to the Security Council, Ban demanded the regime pull its heavy military equipment out of cities in accordance with the Annan ceasefire plan. “Violent incidents and reports of casualties have escalated again in recent days, with reports of shelling of civilians and abuses by government forces. The government reports violent actions by armed groups.”

According to various reports, the Syrian regime has not fully withdrawn troops and heavy weapons from towns. As well, it has reportedly stepped up the use of helicopter gunships to crush rebel towns and cities in the north.

That move alone could add to the pressure on Western powers to impose a no-fly zone over the country much like they did in the Libyan campaign. But France is also pushing for a more robust military presence on the ground, too.

Alain Juppe, the French foreign minister, said the failure of the Annan plan would lead to “civil war.” Arguing that “several hundred” international monitors were needed in Syria to police the ceasefire, he also said the force needed to be “well-equipped, robust and with the means to move around (Syrian) territory.”

“We cannot wait, time is short,” Juppe said. “The observers must be deployed fast and must be able to act without obstacles. The Annan plan is a guarantee of peace and freedom — its failure the path to civil, even regional, war.”

For its part, the British government opposed the establishment of humanitarian corridors, pointing out that they would need to be patrolled by military forces that could be a targeted by Assad’s forces.

Nevertheless, the calls for a Libya-like intervention in Syria are increasing, and, it seems, being given serious consideration. On Thursday, Syria’s rebel Free Syrian Army, sounding much like the rebels who challenged Gadhafi’s regime, said it was time for outside military intervention.

American military officials, who only last month were doubtful of the military option when it comes to Syria — just as they were initially reluctant to go to war in Libya last year — are, it seems, changing their minds to suit the shifts in political sentiment.

Speaking to the House Armed Forces Committee in Washington, U.S. Defence Secretary Leon Panetta effectively invoked the notion of regime change when he said “the bottom line is that anything that takes the Assad regime down is a step in the right direction.”

“The department of defence is reviewing and continuing to review plans for a variety of possible scenarios should the president determine that further steps are necessary,” Panetta said, noting that NATO’s operation in Libya last year would serve as a template. “We have looked at a variety of options, including the possibility of developing humanitarian corridors.”

Nonetheless, Panetta, along with Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, who also appeared before the committee, was cautious about American military involvement. The U.S. would need “a clear legal basis” and broad regional and international support to act militarily in the conflict, Panetta said, citing the UN resolution that authorized action in Libya last year.

“What the international community has to assure is that, if that happens, it happens in the context of legitimate reforms that keep that country together and that serve the Syrian people,” Panetta said.

Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, also raised the spectre of another threat beyond the current violence — the security of Syria’s chemical and biological weapons. “Spillover into neighbouring countries is an increasing concern,” he said, citing the flow of refugees and the chance terrorists may try to capitalize on the chaos. The U.S. must be “especially alert to the fate of Syria’s chemical and biological weapons.”

“I think we’re in for 10 or 15 years of instability in a region that has already been characterized by instability,” the general said.

That certainly has held true for Libya since Gadhafi’s removal. Libya’s new leaders are having a difficult time gaining control of the country and asserting their authority against various still-fighting factions. As well, the terrorist threat is well established, with al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb apparently gaining access to missiles and arms from abandoned Libyan Army stockpiles. Some observers predict a regional war across much of North Africa as the unintended consequence of the Libyan campaign.

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55 responses to “Libyan solution for Syria is in the works”

  1. wargame1 Avatar

    The ugly hag Clinton is in trouble now. Slowly the Syrian resistance is getting a political victory. How long are you going to send Arab observer , condemn, ceasefire, UN observer etc?? This all are to help Assad and the world is now questioning this hag why she was so prompt to attack Libya where there were no such uprising compare to Syria. The  Zionist neocons will be slowly cornered .” Alqaeda” buga buga is not working here either. That Cyber figure Iman Al Zawaheri is also quiet now as no one buy the Alqaeda buga buga in Syrian matter. Funny situation for UN and USA on what to do with this uncalled for situation.

  2. wargame1 Avatar

    The ugly hag Clinton is in trouble now. Slowly the Syrian resistance is getting a political victory. How long are you going to send Arab observer , condemn, ceasefire, UN observer etc?? This all are to help Assad and the world is now questioning this hag why she was so prompt to attack Libya where there were no such uprising compare to Syria. The  Zionist neocons will be slowly cornered .” Alqaeda” buga buga is not working here either. That Cyber figure Iman Al Zawaheri is also quiet now as no one buy the Alqaeda buga buga in Syrian matter. Funny situation for UN and USA on what to do with this uncalled for situation.

    1. MeYosemite Avatar
      MeYosemite

      At this rate, Syrian revolution will take many years devastating a generation. Libyan took a year. Assad is passive agressive, and revengefull. By the time he is out the country will be totally destroyed.

    2. Dude,
      The U.S. would love to see Assad gone because of his alliance with Iran and because he is stagnant on the peace process Israel needs. Stop making up stories about this conspiracy theory. If it weren’t for Russia and China blocking every attempt to help rid Syria of Assad the U.S. and Nato would have gone in already. Besides, if the roles were reversed would the Arabs pitch in to help? Look at the Tsunamis and Earthquakes when they hit impoverished regions… The U.S. is first to send in relief. When did the Arabs do so? Even the Palestinians are left to fend for themselves after the Arabs got them into this mess in the first place prohibiting them from sharing the land with the Israelis and signing unilateral treaties. Assad time is over, he spilled blood… He can never hold to power. The problem worrying the West is the post Assad period. The revolutionaries have no vision for the new Syria and from what we have seen from the Arab springs is just Islamism and mayhem and poverty. As long as the Arabs depend on their religion they will always fail… Didn’t the Qoran say “tawwaqou (First) then ittakkilou”?

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        You dont have the basics to understand politics so keep your mouth shut. I will give you some basics to understand what is going on… 

        USA Iran , Israel , Russia China work hand in hand , Syrian regime is also with them. Russia and China is playing on the other side to give veto. Memorize the following quotes for future reference so that you dont look stupid. Here you go …….

        Iran “discreetly” provided humanitarian aid to Libyan rebels before the fall of Tripoli, Jam-e-Jam newspaper quoted Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi as saying. “We were in touch with many of the rebel groups in Libya before the fall of (Moamer) Kadhafi, and discreetly dispatched three or four food and medical consignments to Benghazi,” Salehi told the daily. 

        “The head of the National Transitional Council (NTC) of Libya Mustafa Abdel Jalil, sent a letter of thanks to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for having been on their side and helping,” he added. Iranian Foreign Minister Ali-Akbar Salehi spoke with N.T.C. Chairman Mustafa Abdul-Jalil over the phone on Tuesday, congratulating the rebels on their “victory over dictatorship.” He also invited Abdul-Jalil to Teheran on a state visit in order to “deepen bilateral ties.” 

        So do you see the clear connection with Iran and NATO here or do I need to give you more ?? you always need more .

        1. I do not mind listening to your ramblings as it is your right to have and voice an opinion. However, for you to ask me to keep my mouth shut is exactly the attitude of Bashar against the rebels. So my friend what makes you any different than the ophthalmologist seated at the throne of Syria. If you have not realized yet that NO LEBANESE will EVER keep their mouth shut you have not met a Lebanese yet. 😉

      2. wargame1 Avatar

        Iran’s ex vice president Muhammad Ali Abtahi said: “This was Iran’s first major effort to help the United States to topple the Taliban in Afghanistan and AlQaeda, this would have been impossible without Iran’s help ” 

        Iranian Ex President Muhammad Khatami said: 

        “The Taliban was our enemy , America thought Taliban was their enemy too! If they toppled the Taliban it would serve the interest of Iran” 

        Then the alliance targets Iraq !!This time Iranian Ex president Muhammad Khatami said, ” I told him, Lets repeat Afghanistan experience in Iraq!” 

        After the invasion the Iraqi and Afghan puppet government are happened to be Pro Iranian Shia!! do you think that America is stupid after investing 4 trillion dollar they install pro Iranian government as their lackey?  So grow up and learn politics. Learn to read through smoke screen. 

        Iran and Hezbollah work for USA and Israel , the Syrian regime is also are with the same crooks. During the gulf war Hafez Al Assad send his troops to help USA and coalition forces. So what kind of lousy analysis you make up ?? do you only follow the news paper headline ? 

      3. wargame1 Avatar

        So the puppet Shia regime was installed in Iraq by USA and Iran. After installing the puppet ruler in Afghanistan and in Iraq , Iran was the first to visit Iraq and Afghanistan to  give legitimacy , President Ahmadnejad went to meet puppet Hamid Karzai gave him a hug and surprisingly US defense secretary Robert gates was also in Kabul in a official visit at the same time!! Just two months before the Iraqi puppet Nuri Al Maliki went to USA and visit a cemetery to pay respect to the American Soldiers who fought and died!! 
        During Saddam Husain Iraq and Syria didnt have diplomatic relation for almost Six years and now The US/Irani puppet have good relation with Assad government. Now tell me why would USA 
        love to see Assad gone  ? Dont you comprehend the conflict of interest here? 

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          so, according to you the only regimes in MENA which arent american puppet are the disgusting king of al-mamlekat al-arabiya al-yahudiya and other zionist persian gulf-regimes???????????

      4. wargame1 Avatar

        USA buy oil from the middle east with 10 cents worth of paper currency. Thats what it cost to print the dollar. Since it is the reserve currency of the world and USA can only print it then it is USA who is creating this petro dollar which has no gold behind it. Its a fiat currency. 

      5. wargame1 Avatar

        Capitalism has a weakness. The gold dinner is a currency prescribed by the Islamic Law along side the Silver Dirhamshould the dinar become an official currency there are two main possibilities
        1.The dinar becomes the most dominant currency in the world
        2. Everyone joins a similar gold standerd and level the global economic playing field

        But they are fighting dirty because they dont want a level playing fieldIts a threat to their control. Since Nixons paper money has ceased  being tied to gold our money is only worth something because they say it does!They just press “print” !! the control is absolute so Do not expect them to relinquish it without a fight How about Oil for gold!!

        On january 18 ,2004 malaysian President Mahthir Muhammad ask saudi arabia to demand gold for its oil!No body thinks for a second that Saudi arabia might actually do such a thing ! Let us imagine for a moment that Saudi Islamist stage a coup and gain control over the oil empire and demand the west pay for its oil in Gold !It would be a economic equivalent of setting off a neutron bomb in down town manhattan! 

        The US gold stock at around 260 million ounces.The EU only has around 384 million ounce of gold .current market gold price at nearly $1500/oz 

        If gold were traded in exchange for oil then at the current market gold price the USA would be out of gold in a year!!! and EU will have the same fate. What next ??They have to export goods in arabia  to bring back the gold in order to by oil. And then oil will be not cheaper than bottled water in USA and we wont see SUV but “Moped” instead on the street carrying three passengers. 

        Due to this fraud paper money USA never face any crisis in their “Balance of payment” even their imports are far higher than export!!Now the post Assad and post series of Western lackey in Arabia will make USA and Europe bite the dust. All those petro dollar will go back to USA and create a tsunami of hyper inflation.

        Middle eastern five country has worlds 67% of proven oil reserve. The Muslim will sell oil and ask for gold. I hope you can do the simple math now.

        1. master09 Avatar

          Sorry wargame not sure about your figures. 1. USA has 19,133.5 tons of Gold multiply by 32,150 troy ounces = 1 metric ton (1,000 kilos) so that would give you 30 times the number you give, big diff..EU has less than USA at about 13 to 14 thousand tons. Gold will never be traded for oil but for loans…what you talk about will never happen, USA pays in other  ways. You are wrong about the 67 % the Me has at most 100 years supply of oil, Canada has over 250 years including the oil sands…

          Suadi Arabia licks USA balls they also have 6 other nations that do the same in the ME.
          What you say is a dream for the Arabs but never will be a reality. Want to put a dollar on it.

          I remember 5 years ago when I told the people in the banking world that a house will be worth 30%to 40% less in the next 7 years, they laughed at me…… I was of by 10 to 15 %.less.
           USA will not fail for A LONG TIME YET… But people can pray are you…lol   

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          So, wargame …. how about the west sells you food for gold? Or the cell-phones for gold? How much weight do you want to drag around in your re-inforced pants pockets? Do you think your computer will work without the gold? Idiot.
          If you want to go around biting coins to see if they are real LIKE IN THE GOOD OLD DAYS, be my guest. The Somali Pirates will need a village just to carry it around, and their boats would sink. Swallow some while you are at it. Swallow enough and some despot will eventually open you up, because the weight will make you catchable for sure. Dinars might be lighter, but the end result will be the same.
          Then I suppose, the Arab princes can coat more of their sporty cars with the stuff too – although diamonds seem to be the latest craze there.
          Capitalism may have it’s weaknesses … but I see some grey-matter missing in the Islamic Conspiracy Plots that you wish on the world.

      6. antar2011 Avatar
        antar2011

        the US would love to see him go but you have to admit the US administration is not putting any more efforts in to end the chaos in syria…comparing that to other recent conflicts in the area, you know american influence is lacking here….

        you also have to look at what some israeli officers declared until recently…that they are with Assad’s regime.

        as for the arab aid in crisis…the rich Gulf countries have not sat and watched, they did give aid but you probably have not read about it….but let’s not go too far back, who declared that the free syrian army should be armed and is willig to send money for the soldiers? you would certainly find that it is an arab country.

        like the arabs or not, in the syrian situation, the arabs are more advaced in their position then the west….but in my opinion both of them are lacking.

  3. Borbok4 Avatar

    It’s not really a revolution, it’s more of an organized strike. Overall the objective is the destruction of Syria, just like Libya. Lebanon will follow.  There can’t be any resistance for the formation of the NWO.

  4. Borbok4 Avatar

    It’s not really a revolution, it’s more of an organized strike. Overall the objective is the destruction of Syria, just like Libya. Lebanon will follow.  There can’t be any resistance for the formation of the NWO.

  5. dabshaleemm Avatar
    dabshaleemm

    all safafites mr

  6. dabshaleemm Avatar
    dabshaleemm

    all safafites mr

  7. antar2011 Avatar
    antar2011

    i really don’t think anyone wants military intervention except some parts of syrian opposition.

    not one coutry is willig to risk that option at the moment and in the near future……..perhaps maybe after american elections?

  8. antar2011 Avatar
    antar2011

    i really don’t think anyone wants military intervention except some parts of syrian opposition.

    not one coutry is willig to risk that option at the moment and in the near future……..perhaps maybe after american elections?

  9. antar2011 Avatar
    antar2011

    i really don’t think anyone wants military intervention except some parts of syrian opposition.

    not one coutry is willig to risk that option at the moment and in the near future……..perhaps maybe after american elections?

  10. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Open your mouth then. I did not mean to silence you but was frustrated so that was the outcome. I just do not make a theory that Iran and Hezbollah is working hand in hand with USA , Russia, NATO etc. I cant prove you that Assad government is controlling the NATO rats in Libya along with Iran because there are very little evidence on the main stream media to support it. The key to understand this is the kidnap of  “Musa Al sadr”. This Iranian cleric played a big role on Syria for which the Assad dynasty rule over Syria today and Gaddafi supposedly had him killed. 

    The Saudi regime did bear 50% war cost during the Iraq invasion. Saddam was a sunni but you see clearly that Saudi government supported Iran and USA against Saddam!! The Saudi regime is the biggest sponsor of Assad Dynasty as they gave billions of US dollar to Addad dynasty as “Military Aid” and Syria is considered to be the “Power house” of Arabia. Power house to whom? These dictators are not for the people. 

  11. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Open your mouth then. I did not mean to silence you but was frustrated so that was the outcome. I just do not make a theory that Iran and Hezbollah is working hand in hand with USA , Russia, NATO etc. I cant prove you that Assad government is controlling the NATO rats in Libya along with Iran because there are very little evidence on the main stream media to support it. The key to understand this is the kidnap of  “Musa Al sadr”. This Iranian cleric played a big role on Syria for which the Assad dynasty rule over Syria today and Gaddafi supposedly had him killed. 

    The Saudi regime did bear 50% war cost during the Iraq invasion. Saddam was a sunni but you see clearly that Saudi government supported Iran and USA against Saddam!! The Saudi regime is the biggest sponsor of Assad Dynasty as they gave billions of US dollar to Addad dynasty as “Military Aid” and Syria is considered to be the “Power house” of Arabia. Power house to whom? These dictators are not for the people. 

  12. wargame1 Avatar

    @master09:disqus 
    I will come back to you with the exact amount of gold , if the information is not correct. Well any amount of Gold cant help the inevitable “Level playing field” situation. Gaddafi wanted to introduce gold and the Taliban also wanted to introduce gold as currency.  prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) introduced gold and silver as currency. The prophet adopted the exact amount of Gold as the Byzantine empire had them in their coins. 

    I know that China has the highest reserve of gold and they are buying up as much as they can. The intrinsic value of gold stay the same but paper money loose it.The Muslims will certainly introduce gold and silver as currency inshallah  

    You are wrong about oil reserve. Its the consumption rate which will decide how long you can use oil. USA at the moment consume almost 25 million barrel of oil PER DAY!! where as the total oil consumption of the world per day is 80 million barrel.

    USA oil production peaked in 1970 and since then it starts importing and at the moment USA import more than 50% its consumption from the middle east , Venezuela etc. 

    There are different type of oil source and the “easy picking fruit” are already gone and going fast thats why we see “deep water” drilling , water injection(Fracking) to the oil field to get the oil out.Some  “Earth quake” these days are the direct result of that super fracking. If you remember “Gulf of Mexico” incident and now we are having “North Sea” disaster in Scotland. This is the indication of oil decline. If they have oil under the dry ground then they would never go in to “deep water”….They are in a deep…

    Oil sand, shell oil, heavy oil are not cost effective and there is a “NET ENERGY LOSS”  in extracting those oil. The best oil which needs little refining is call the “Saudi Lite” and Libyan sweet oil. The net energy investment is less to pump these type of oil. 
    The oil company will not tell us that 2012 is the land marked year of steep decline in oil production because it will cause the Share Market collapse. The 67% oil reserve is correct as I have been researching this for the last 12 years and I used to have those information of US GS but these are not correct. I would discuss more later. 

    Yes the Saudi Kings licks US balls in order to survive.The saudi allowed the biggest US base in the middle east in Saudi Arabia!!! During Iraq invasion it was the Saudi who helped USA and Iran directly and now we have a Shia government in Iraq working for their masters! 

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      So, I take it you are FOR …. recycling of everything possible, sun and wind electrical power supplies, 2.3 babies max per couple everywhere, and peace between all the religiously bent who will agree to stay out of politics and not use noxious chemicals for any purpose – especially not war.

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        When Gold and silver will be in the market after the fraud paper money goes in to the garbage bin , you will fully understand then Idiot.

        1. master09 Avatar

          You read too much crap from one side… Read about what george soros is doing and how governments play on minds as poor as yours…they love people like you

        2. master09 Avatar

          You read too much crap from one side… Read about what george soros is doing and how governments play on minds as poor as yours…they love people like you

  13. wargame1 Avatar

    @master09:disqus 
    I will come back to you with the exact amount of gold , if the information is not correct. Well any amount of Gold cant help the inevitable “Level playing field” situation. Gaddafi wanted to introduce gold and the Taliban also wanted to introduce gold as currency.  prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) introduced gold and silver as currency. The prophet adopted the exact amount of Gold as the Byzantine empire had them in their coins. 

    I know that China has the highest reserve of gold and they are buying up as much as they can. The intrinsic value of gold stay the same but paper money loose it.The Muslims will certainly introduce gold and silver as currency inshallah  

    You are wrong about oil reserve. Its the consumption rate which will decide how long you can use oil. USA at the moment consume almost 25 million barrel of oil PER DAY!! where as the total oil consumption of the world per day is 80 million barrel.

    USA oil production peaked in 1970 and since then it starts importing and at the moment USA import more than 50% its consumption from the middle east , Venezuela etc. 

    There are different type of oil source and the “easy picking fruit” are already gone and going fast thats why we see “deep water” drilling , water injection(Fracking) to the oil field to get the oil out.Some  “Earth quake” these days are the direct result of that super fracking. If you remember “Gulf of Mexico” incident and now we are having “North Sea” disaster in Scotland. This is the indication of oil decline. If they have oil under the dry ground then they would never go in to “deep water”….They are in a deep…

    Oil sand, shell oil, heavy oil are not cost effective and there is a “NET ENERGY LOSS”  in extracting those oil. The best oil which needs little refining is call the “Saudi Lite” and Libyan sweet oil. The net energy investment is less to pump these type of oil. 
    The oil company will not tell us that 2012 is the land marked year of steep decline in oil production because it will cause the Share Market collapse. The 67% oil reserve is correct as I have been researching this for the last 12 years and I used to have those information of US GS but these are not correct. I would discuss more later. 

    Yes the Saudi Kings licks US balls in order to survive.The saudi allowed the biggest US base in the middle east in Saudi Arabia!!! During Iraq invasion it was the Saudi who helped USA and Iran directly and now we have a Shia government in Iraq working for their masters! 

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      So, I take it you are FOR …. recycling of everything possible, sun and wind electrical power supplies, 2.3 babies max per couple everywhere, and peace between all the religiously bent who will agree to stay out of politics and not use noxious chemicals for any purpose – especially not war.

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        When Gold and silver will be in the market after the fraud paper money goes in to the garbage bin , you will fully understand then Idiot.

        1. master09 Avatar

          You read too much crap from one side… Read about what george soros is doing and how governments play on minds as poor as yours…they love people like you

  14. wargame1 Avatar

    @master09:disqus 
    USA has a huge oil reserve in Alaska but have you ever wonder why they dont drill there? Is it because the environment will be destroyed? NO , according to the present US consumption (25million barrel oil per day) if they drill the huge oil field they will suck it dry within 6 months!! so the long pipeline and overhead cost of the project will be a total loss. 

    They have tried to get oil from the oil sand which Canada has a huge deposit in Albarta. But we need to heat up the sand to get the oil and the NET energy input is almost equal to the output so that project is not going good. Oil Shell , deep water oil has the same problem. We need to go miles away from the shore then go deep in to the water to get the oil. We can deal with the nature and thats what happened in Gulf of Mexico and now in Scotland. This is the big red flag that we really do not have any more easy picking fruit. Lets compare this with a cow. You can get good stake from some parts of the cow but when you take all the meat from the good parts all you have left is the BONE and the BAllS!! We are in a situation to extract the last amount of meat from the Bone and the Balls because we have consumed the best part of the Beef  Steak with mushroom sauce already!! 

  15. wargame1 Avatar

    @master09:disqus 
    USA has a huge oil reserve in Alaska but have you ever wonder why they dont drill there? Is it because the environment will be destroyed? NO , according to the present US consumption (25million barrel oil per day) if they drill the huge oil field they will suck it dry within 6 months!! so the long pipeline and overhead cost of the project will be a total loss. 

    They have tried to get oil from the oil sand which Canada has a huge deposit in Albarta. But we need to heat up the sand to get the oil and the NET energy input is almost equal to the output so that project is not going good. Oil Shell , deep water oil has the same problem. We need to go miles away from the shore then go deep in to the water to get the oil. We can deal with the nature and thats what happened in Gulf of Mexico and now in Scotland. This is the big red flag that we really do not have any more easy picking fruit. Lets compare this with a cow. You can get good stake from some parts of the cow but when you take all the meat from the good parts all you have left is the BONE and the BAllS!! We are in a situation to extract the last amount of meat from the Bone and the Balls because we have consumed the best part of the Beef  Steak with mushroom sauce already!! 

  16. wargame1 Avatar

    @master09:disqus 
    Oil field never run Dry. There will be plenty of oil till the day of judgement. Then why the oil company abandon the oil field and drill new field? Let us have a simple calculation. 

    When we pump oil we need to invest energy i.e. Electricity. Now if we invest one barrel of oil equivalent energy to run the pump machine we get 5 barrel of oil. But as the law of gravity come to play its part when the oil level go down the pump machine need more energy and at one point we invest 4 barrel of oil equivalent of energy  to pump out 5 barrel of oil. Its alright but when the level go further down and we need 6 barrel of oil equivalent of energy to pump 5 barrel of oil then a sane oil man will not stay there any longer. 

    There are theory that USA has a huge oil reserve and they will keep it for future but first they want to take middle east oil and suck it dry and make the whole world depend on USA for oil!! this sounds fantastic!!! what a plan!! 

     but this is not the nature of a oil business man. He will go for the easiest , cheapest source first to maximize the profit. Its mad to dig a hole under “Gulf of Mexico” for oil and gas. Its total madness but yet they are doing it because we are running empty faster than we can imagine. It will be clear to us very soon. When the oil production peaked in USA in 1970 and OPEC gave a oil embergo on the west , the USA was alarmed and since then they have been maintaining a “Strategic oil reserve” for any future problem. 

    The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) is an emergency fuel storage of oil maintained by the United States Department of Energy. It is the largest emergency supply in the world with the capacity to hold up to 727 million barrels (115,600,000 m3). 

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Which is why those with brains are going for sun and wind power.

  17. wargame1 Avatar

    @master09:disqus 
    Oil field never run Dry. There will be plenty of oil till the day of judgement. Then why the oil company abandon the oil field and drill new field? Let us have a simple calculation. 

    When we pump oil we need to invest energy i.e. Electricity. Now if we invest one barrel of oil equivalent energy to run the pump machine we get 5 barrel of oil. But as the law of gravity come to play its part when the oil level go down the pump machine need more energy and at one point we invest 4 barrel of oil equivalent of energy  to pump out 5 barrel of oil. Its alright but when the level go further down and we need 6 barrel of oil equivalent of energy to pump 5 barrel of oil then a sane oil man will not stay there any longer. 

    There are theory that USA has a huge oil reserve and they will keep it for future but first they want to take middle east oil and suck it dry and make the whole world depend on USA for oil!! this sounds fantastic!!! what a plan!! 

     but this is not the nature of a oil business man. He will go for the easiest , cheapest source first to maximize the profit. Its mad to dig a hole under “Gulf of Mexico” for oil and gas. Its total madness but yet they are doing it because we are running empty faster than we can imagine. It will be clear to us very soon. When the oil production peaked in USA in 1970 and OPEC gave a oil embergo on the west , the USA was alarmed and since then they have been maintaining a “Strategic oil reserve” for any future problem. 

    The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) is an emergency fuel storage of oil maintained by the United States Department of Energy. It is the largest emergency supply in the world with the capacity to hold up to 727 million barrels (115,600,000 m3). 

  18. wargame1 Avatar

    @master09:disqus 
    Oil field never run Dry. There will be plenty of oil till the day of judgement. Then why the oil company abandon the oil field and drill new field? Let us have a simple calculation. 

    When we pump oil we need to invest energy i.e. Electricity. Now if we invest one barrel of oil equivalent energy to run the pump machine we get 5 barrel of oil. But as the law of gravity come to play its part when the oil level go down the pump machine need more energy and at one point we invest 4 barrel of oil equivalent of energy  to pump out 5 barrel of oil. Its alright but when the level go further down and we need 6 barrel of oil equivalent of energy to pump 5 barrel of oil then a sane oil man will not stay there any longer. 

    There are theory that USA has a huge oil reserve and they will keep it for future but first they want to take middle east oil and suck it dry and make the whole world depend on USA for oil!! this sounds fantastic!!! what a plan!! 

     but this is not the nature of a oil business man. He will go for the easiest , cheapest source first to maximize the profit. Its mad to dig a hole under “Gulf of Mexico” for oil and gas. Its total madness but yet they are doing it because we are running empty faster than we can imagine. It will be clear to us very soon. When the oil production peaked in USA in 1970 and OPEC gave a oil embergo on the west , the USA was alarmed and since then they have been maintaining a “Strategic oil reserve” for any future problem. 

    The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) is an emergency fuel storage of oil maintained by the United States Department of Energy. It is the largest emergency supply in the world with the capacity to hold up to 727 million barrels (115,600,000 m3). 

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Which is why those with brains are going for sun and wind power.

  19. Fauzia45 Avatar

    They still continue to tell the world that ¨the regime has failed to abide by the plan,,,¨They continue to demand that the regime ¨pull its heavy military equipment,,,¨ I think they know that the regime is committed to silencing the opposition so what did they expect??

  20. Fauzia45 Avatar

    They still continue to tell the world that ¨the regime has failed to abide by the plan,,,¨They continue to demand that the regime ¨pull its heavy military equipment,,,¨ I think they know that the regime is committed to silencing the opposition so what did they expect??

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