Annan peace plan finally approved by UN with support from Russia and China

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The United Nations Security Council has passed a resolution endorsing Kofi Annan’s peace plan for Syria after landing the critical support of both Russia and China. The UN and Arab League have charged Annan, a former secretary-general, with bringing about a peaceful end to Syria’s year-long uprising.

The UN Security Council sent a strong and united message to the Syrian government and opposition on Wednesday to immediately implement proposals by international Annan to end the yearlong bloodshed.

A nonbinding statement approved by the 15 council members and read at a formal meeting spells out Annan’s proposals, which include a cease-fire first by the Syrian government, a daily two-hour halt to fighting to evacuate the injured and provide humanitarian aid, and inclusive political talks “to address the legitimate concerns of the Syrian people.”

In a bid to win support from Russia and China, which have twice vetoed European and U.S.-backed resolutions condemning President Bashar Assad’s crackdown on protesters, France watered down the statement to eliminate possible consideration of “further measures,” which could include sanctions or military action.

Instead, the presidential statement now asks Annan to update the council regularly on the progress of his mission and says that “in the light of these reports, the Security Council will consider further steps as appropriate.”

The governments of the 15 council nations had been given until 9 am ET Wednesday to raise any objections to the text of the statement. No country did so.

“We hope that this will change the dynamic on the ground,” said Germany’s UN Ambassador Peter Wittig. “Given the track record of the Security Council, with the double vetoes, this is a good sign.”

A presidential statement, which needs approval from all council members, becomes part of the council’s permanent record. It is stronger than a press statement, which does not. But unlike resolutions, neither statement is legally binding.

‘No time to waste’, says UN secretary-general

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said earlier Tuesday that the Syria crisis is the most pressing issue facing the world. The UN estimates more than 8,000 people have been killed.

“We have no time to waste, no time to lose. Just one minute, one hour delay will mean more and more people dead,” Ban told reporters in the Indonesian city of Bogor, his first stop on an Asian tour.

On Tuesday, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow is ready to support a UN resolution endorsing Annan’s plan for settling the Syrian crisis. But Lavrov warned that a resolution shouldn’t turn into an ultimatum to the Syrian government.

Russia and China called the earlier resolutions unbalanced and said they demanded an end only to government attacks, not ones by the opposition. Moscow also argued that the resolutions promoted regime change in Syria and feared outside intervention to support the rebels, as happened in Libya.

CBC News

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98 responses to “Annan peace plan finally approved by UN with support from Russia and China”

  1. josephphdman Avatar
    josephphdman

    nothing is going to change
    the opposition will not agree because they want asad to step down now , and asad will not leave and wo,nt stop fighting claiming he is fighting terrorrist ! the situation will be the same and maybe worst’  a better solution if annan propose dividing syria into 4 different state
    1- alawite
    2-sunis
    3-kurdish
    4 christians
    that will have  a better chance to preserve peace in syria

    1. Constantin7 Avatar
      Constantin7

      Mr. Phd you did not find anything better than suggesting dividing Syria !…. No way, for one simple reason is that there is no area that has a majority of either of the minorities you named above. The Alawites, the christians, the kurds and the druzes do not have big enough arears to be viable and economically sustainable to live “alone”. Especially the christians who are all over Syria, as in Lebanon. No, dividing Syria would be the worst thing that could happen to every body. The after Assad era, I pray and hope that it will never be controlled by islamists/salafists. Knowing the Syrians, in general, I tend to think that this will not happen. However, they are taking advantage of the cahos in Syria now and planting bombs here and there (Damascus and Aleppo) and thank God claiming the responsibility for them, so that the people know what these fanatics are up to. I am sure the vast majority of the Syrian opposition is against them too.  

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        The people who are fighting against Assad deserve to serve their country after this dictator is gone. If you arrange a democratic election then A Salafi candidate will get at least 74% vote.The minority should never rule a country. The weapon of “divide and rule ” is to install a leader from the minority who need to depend on foreign power for reciprocal benefit. Iran and Russia took great advantage in Syria and Lebanon through their lackey Assad. 

        However if a Leader happened to be from the minority then his allegiance should be with the Local people NOT foreign country like Iran, Russia and Hezbollah! This is unacceptable for any people in any country.

        There is a rule call survival of the fittest; Syria had a history from where we can learn a lesson. This area was once invaded by the Persians then the Roman empire but both of them were ejected when the Arab Muslims evolved. The common people in this area went through all these empires governance. None of the empire gave way to the others; There is a possibility that the Romans will be thinking of a “Come back” to their old Constantinople as the Persians are already here. The local arabs will have no choice but to defend their land. Whoever wins will rule. 

         Cui bono (“To whose benefit?”, literally “as a benefit to whom?”, a double dative construction), also rendered as Cui prodest, is a Latinadage that is used either to suggest a hidden motive or to indicate that the party responsible for something may not be who it appears at first to be.
        Commonly the phrase is used to suggest that the person or people guilty of committing a crime may be found among those who have something to gain, chiefly with an eye toward financial gain. The party that benefits may not always be obvious or may have successfully diverted attention to a scapegoat.

        It is legitimate for the Free Syrian army to attack the military target and they are doing it. It is Assad who is killing the civilians. You cant kill your enemy by Artillery shelling; This will result of more death of woman , children and elderly.Its already a crime and Assad is adding this with those car bomb and trying to demonize the resistance. Any one can claim to be free syrian army in syria and take responsibility but the question is what possible gain? This type of incident will help assad to motivate the sheeple who readily wish to believe Assad. It will also help assad to pursue the international community against the resistance. Only a bone head would buy this false flag operation.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Errr … yah … but … ummm … ‘Arab Muslims evolved’ ??

        2. Hannibal Avatar

          Arab Muslims devolved… In a HUGE WAY… I mean do not go far JUST look at yourself in the mirror… Salafi aal leyk malla habiile.

  2. josephphdman Avatar
    josephphdman

    nothing is going to change
    the opposition will not agree because they want asad to step down now , and asad will not leave and wo,nt stop fighting claiming he is fighting terrorrist ! the situation will be the same and maybe worst’  a better solution if annan propose dividing syria into 4 different state
    1- alawite
    2-sunis
    3-kurdish
    4 christians
    that will have  a better chance to preserve peace in syria

    1. Constantin7 Avatar
      Constantin7

      Mr. Phd you did not find anything better than suggesting dividing Syria !…. No way, for one simple reason is that there is no area that has a majority of either of the minorities you named above. The Alawites, the christians, the kurds and the druzes do not have big enough arears to be viable and economically sustainable to live “alone”. Especially the christians who are all over Syria, as in Lebanon. No, dividing Syria would be the worst thing that could happen to every body. The after Assad era, I pray and hope that it will never be controlled by islamists/salafists. Knowing the Syrians, in general, I tend to think that this will not happen. However, they are taking advantage of the cahos in Syria now and planting bombs here and there (Damascus and Aleppo) and thank God claiming the responsibility for them, so that the people know what these fanatics are up to. I am sure the vast majority of the Syrian opposition is against them too.  

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        The people who are fighting against Assad deserve to serve their country after this dictator is gone. If you arrange a democratic election then A Salafi candidate will get at least 74% vote.The minority should never rule a country. The weapon of “divide and rule ” is to install a leader from the minority who need to depend on foreign power for reciprocal benefit. Iran and Russia took great advantage in Syria and Lebanon through their lackey Assad. 

        However if a Leader happened to be from the minority then his allegiance should be with the Local people NOT foreign country like Iran, Russia and Hezbollah! This is unacceptable for any people in any country.

        There is a rule call survival of the fittest; Syria had a history from where we can learn a lesson. This area was once invaded by the Persians then the Roman empire but both of them were ejected when the Arab Muslims evolved. The common people in this area went through all these empires governance. None of the empire gave way to the others; There is a possibility that the Romans will be thinking of a “Come back” to their old Constantinople as the Persians are already here. The local arabs will have no choice but to defend their land. Whoever wins will rule. 

         Cui bono (“To whose benefit?”, literally “as a benefit to whom?”, a double dative construction), also rendered as Cui prodest, is a Latinadage that is used either to suggest a hidden motive or to indicate that the party responsible for something may not be who it appears at first to be.
        Commonly the phrase is used to suggest that the person or people guilty of committing a crime may be found among those who have something to gain, chiefly with an eye toward financial gain. The party that benefits may not always be obvious or may have successfully diverted attention to a scapegoat.

        It is legitimate for the Free Syrian army to attack the military target and they are doing it. It is Assad who is killing the civilians. You cant kill your enemy by Artillery shelling; This will result of more death of woman , children and elderly.Its already a crime and Assad is adding this with those car bomb and trying to demonize the resistance. Any one can claim to be free syrian army in syria and take responsibility but the question is what possible gain? This type of incident will help assad to motivate the sheeple who readily wish to believe Assad. It will also help assad to pursue the international community against the resistance. Only a bone head would buy this false flag operation.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Errr … yah … but … ummm … ‘Arab Muslims evolved’ ??

        2. Arab Muslims devolved… In a HUGE WAY… I mean do not go far JUST look at yourself in the mirror… Salafi aal leyk malla habiile.

  3. Fauzia45 Avatar

    More time will be wasted and more people will be killed !!

  4. Fauzia45 Avatar

    More time will be wasted and more people will be killed !!

  5. wargame1 Avatar

    Assads army is in trouble loosing the war machine more than expected; This is the reason the UN and Russia are worried and changing the tone. Russia is now recalling the peaceful protest in Syria in the beginning and blaming Assad for using force on the protesters. This is true but after one year when Assad starts to get some kick by the free Syrian army Russia and UN is coming back in to senses. I have seen at least 40 tanks destroyed so far on youtube if not more plus many attacks. Let another 100 tanks get blown up by RPG and we will see some more change. 

    Free Syrian army is dealing with a cunning dictator and they can stop this demon only with heavy beating.Just beat the crap out of this killer. Peace plan with this bastard means peace plan with shaitan. 

    “Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you’re a man, you take it.”

    “You can’t separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom.”
    Malcolm X

  6. wargame1 Avatar

    Assads army is in trouble loosing the war machine more than expected; This is the reason the UN and Russia are worried and changing the tone. Russia is now recalling the peaceful protest in Syria in the beginning and blaming Assad for using force on the protesters. This is true but after one year when Assad starts to get some kick by the free Syrian army Russia and UN is coming back in to senses. I have seen at least 40 tanks destroyed so far on youtube if not more plus many attacks. Let another 100 tanks get blown up by RPG and we will see some more change. 

    Free Syrian army is dealing with a cunning dictator and they can stop this demon only with heavy beating.Just beat the crap out of this killer. Peace plan with this bastard means peace plan with shaitan. 

  7. wargame1 Avatar

    @5thDrawer:disqus 

    Evolve :To develop or achieve gradually ,To work (something) out; devise; Thats the best I could explain. Arabs were there all along. Islam made them organized and united , as a result they could manage to confront both Persians and the Romans in a two front battle. You may correct me with your expression. 

    You are still under the influence of Robert Fisk … 🙂

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Well wargame … I resort to my Oxford … Evolve, from the Latin ‘evolvere’.
      Forgetting it’s usual modern use related to living organisms and their developmental changes of form through time; and noting that as an adjective from the Latin (evolutionary) meaning ‘rolling out’; I guess we could use the second  modern meaning given by Oxford – ‘the gradual development of something’.
      In which case I would prefer you had used the word ‘development’ instead. But your choice I suppose. 🙂
      Although I think either evolution or development froze soon after they beat out the warriors on two fronts as Islam really took over, and led to a devolvement instead – especially with the addition of a ton of Hadiths by various others trying to understand the original meanings of ‘the words’.
      But I agree that they sure have learned to ‘roll out’ tanks very well ….

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        The victorious rules whether you like it or not. Persians and the Romans didnt ask permission to the Arabs to invade their land. I think some 19 hijackers with flying carpet destroyed the Greek twine tower  so the Romans needed to invade Arabs to get rid of alqaeda.Although 7 of them popped up alive but who cares. But then it took long time for them to get rid of the Alqaeda so they decided to settle down there as we now see the the biggest American embassy in Iraq same thing all over again. I am sure the Romans went to Arabia to spread democracy back then and Parsia came to save the Palestinians from the Jews. 

        Today the invaded Muslims will not ask the invading pigs permission to boot them out like they did not ask permission in the past.I am sure you heard about “Khalid ibn Walid and Salahuddin. Now the new problem “evolution or development froze ”  so what to do about it? 

        I suggest you to learn how to make mud hut so you would be able to make some money because mud hut will be the ultimate place to live as you see the hydro carbon energy is declining fast due to those civilized consumption i.e. About 25 million barrel of oil PER DAY by USA where as the world pump about 80 million barrel of oil Per day. 

        The “democracy” exist in to the barrel of oil so the more you consume the more democratic you are and place you in the highest rank in the civilization; But there is another saying ” The higher you climb the harder you fall”  

        Now the Muslims have to get rid off this supposed angel of civilizations  i.e. 25 million of sodomite in USA and sodomite marriage is now permissible. Bestiality is also legal now as few months before USA approved it. They should be ashamed of their late approval as the Persian Khomeini legalize it long before which you will find in the Book of Khomeini.

        The hadis tells us that the Romans will invade all syria (Greater Syria)etc EXCEPT two places namely  “Homs” and Damascus. I read the Mataq mountain in Homs . Anyway we have seen some signs already about Homs and soon we will expect to see the fall of Damascus if the hadis is authentic.  I also read that the Muslims will attack Iran and Russia. So another regime change in Iran and Russia is coming!! There will be a truce/treaty between Roman and the Muslim against Iran Attack but I dont know who are those Romans. It will certainly NOT be USA  but Europe or it can be if there is a Christian Government come to power in USA.

        The adverse party should try to stop this as Bashar Assad is doing!!! there is no other solution on the horizon. “Survival of the fittest” is a phrase originating in evolutionary theory, as an alternative description of natural selection.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Mother Nature controls. Be fit.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Mother Nature controls. Be fit.

        3. Hannibal Avatar

          You know wargame, you are a pathetic idiot who lives in the dreams of the past and believes in books written during the dark ages. Stop this bullshit about the U.S. Bestiality was invented by Arabs. You are at the bottom of the food chain. invade this and invade that… Romans aal leyk weyn ba3do… What Romans? Rome was no more over a millennium and a half ago… That is over 1500 years ago if you know how to count. You live in the past dude… Reincarnation must be true… lol

        4. Hannibal Avatar

          You know wargame, you are a pathetic idiot who lives in the dreams of the past and believes in books written during the dark ages. Stop this bullshit about the U.S. Bestiality was invented by Arabs. You are at the bottom of the food chain. invade this and invade that… Romans aal leyk weyn ba3do… What Romans? Rome was no more over a millennium and a half ago… That is over 1500 years ago if you know how to count. You live in the past dude… Reincarnation must be true… lol

  8. wargame1 Avatar

    @5thDrawer:disqus 

    Evolve :To develop or achieve gradually ,To work (something) out; devise; Thats the best I could explain. Arabs were there all along. Islam made them organized and united , as a result they could manage to confront both Persians and the Romans in a two front battle. You may correct me with your expression. 

    You are still under the influence of Robert Fisk … 🙂

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Well wargame … I resort to my Oxford … Evolve, from the Latin ‘evolvere’.
      Forgetting it’s usual modern use related to living organisms and their developmental changes of form through time; and noting that as an adjective from the Latin (evolutionary) meaning ‘rolling out’; I guess we could use the second  modern meaning given by Oxford – ‘the gradual development of something’.
      In which case I would prefer you had used the word ‘development’ instead. But your choice I suppose. 🙂
      Although I think either evolution or development froze soon after they beat out the warriors on two fronts as Islam really took over, and led to a devolvement instead – especially with the addition of a ton of Hadiths by various others trying to understand the original meanings of ‘the words’.
      But I agree that they sure have learned to ‘roll out’ tanks very well ….

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        The victorious rules whether you like it or not. Persians and the Romans didnt ask permission to the Arabs to invade their land. I think some 19 hijackers with flying carpet destroyed the Greek twine tower  so the Romans needed to invade Arabs to get rid of alqaeda.Although 7 of them popped up alive but who cares. But then it took long time for them to get rid of the Alqaeda so they decided to settle down there as we now see the the biggest American embassy in Iraq same thing all over again. I am sure the Romans went to Arabia to spread democracy back then and Parsia came to save the Palestinians from the Jews. 

        Today the invaded Muslims will not ask the invading pigs permission to boot them out like they did in the past. Now the new problem “evolution or development froze ”  so what to do about it? 

        I suggest you to learn how to make mud hut so you would be able to make some money because mud hut will be the ultimate place to live as you see the hydro carbon energy is declining fast due to those civilized consumption i.e. About 25 million barrel of oil PER DAY by USA where as the world pump about 80 million barrel of oil Per day. 

        The “democracy” exist in to the barrel of oil so the more you consume the more democratic you are and place you in the highest rank in the civilization; But there is another saying ” The higher you climb the harder you fall”  

        Now the Muslims have to get rid off this supposed angel of civilizations  i.e. 25 million of sodomite in USA and sodomite marriage is now permissible. Bestiality is also legal now as few months before USA approved it. They should be ashamed of their late approval as the Persian Khomeini legalize it long before which you will find in the Book of Khomeini.

        The hadis tells us that the Romans will invade all syria (Greater Syria)etc EXCEPT two places namely  “Homs” and Damascus. I read the Mataq mountain in Homs . Anyway we have seen some signs already about Homs and soon we will expect to see the fall of Damascus if the hadis is authentic.  I also read that the Muslims will attack Iran and Russia. So another regime change in Iran and Russia is coming!! There will be a truce/treaty between Roman and the Muslim against Iran Attack but I dont know who are those Romans. It will certainly NOT be USA  but Europe or it can be if there is a Christian Government come to power in USA.

        The adverse party should try to stop this as Bashar Assad is doing!!! there is no other solution on the horizon.  

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Mother nature controls. Be fit.

        2. You know wargame, you are a pathetic idiot who lives in the dreams of the past and believes in books written during the dark ages. Stop this bullshit about the U.S. Bestiality was invented by Arabs. You are at the bottom of the food chain. invade this and invade that… Romans aal leyk weyn ba3do… What Romans? Rome was no more over a millennium and a half ago… That is over 1500 years ago if you know how to count. You live in the past dude… Reincarnation must be true… lol

  9. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Be yourself and let other live in their dream. I am happy to be a Muslim and I am happy to have our Prophets such as Moses , Jesus , Muhammad, Abraham (peace be upon them)and all other prophets and I am happy to have our creator Allah!! 
    La Ilaha Illlal La hu Muhammadur Rasullah. 

    Allah hu Akhbar

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      I’d then like to know how you can justify – in your mind – being a creationist, and then talk about evolution.
      Unless it’s only a wargame?

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        I believe in Allah and his creation and reject those nonsense of 
        creationist; I let you to think and conclude in your way. If I say the Muslims will again defeat the Romans, the Parsians and the Alawites by the help of Allah, then you will have problem to stomach it. So I used that survival of the fittest theory for your understanding. There is another theory …Karma is a B…..

        What ever way you love to understand is up to you.  

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          and God created the universe in 6 days… then he got so tired he had to rest on the Sabath… a day is one earth revolution… the universe was created before earth… so what day measure were we talking about?
          All those dinosaurs that evolved to become birds and those homo erectus and homo habilis and other homos (not in the modern sense :P) that existed before homo sapiens were created by whom? oh may be god made a mistake and created the wrong version of humans then destroyed them all…

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Um … errr … yah Hannibal (below) … there were a lot of homos weren’t there?? 😉

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Um … errr … yah Hannibal (below) … there were a lot of homos weren’t there?? 😉

    2. Hannibal Avatar

      Nobody said to you not to worship the way you want… What I question is the sanity of the books you read. First of, Moses story was plagiarized from the Akkadians so is the Jesus (Horus) story taken from the Egyptians. Abraham and his stories do not add up nor the flood story (Noah) which was plagiarized from Mesopotamia’s Gilgamesh epic so is the genesis. When I was a very young boy studying those books I saw the similarities between the stories and I am amazed that you haven’t noticed the stealing of other nations histories and arts and belief. Those individuals who wrote those books were extremely uncreative. They just copied the books of others and changed them to fit the age. You keep throwing these motos around of Allahu akbar and la ilah ella el laah as if I told you or others otherwise. Go research the basmallah and see that it was on every Christian letter written LOOOONG before Islam was invented. Explain that to me Mr. Know it all. I believe in God YES the ONE GOD, but it is my right not to believe in your prophets nor in your plagiarized books. The story of Moses is similar to the story of Sargon (another Babylonian Myth). The burning bush was taken from Egyptian mythology which represented their god Ra and archeological studies disprove the story of Joseph and the exodus. The story of Satan was invented in Egypt… His name was Seth which evolved to become satan or chitaan… Anup baptized Horus became John baptizing Jesus…and the story of the Son of god is a story taken from antiquities wich survives still… Alexander the great said of himself the son of Zeus. half of the female deities of the old world were virgins… and the best yet is that Mo your prophet went on a horse which flew him to Jerusalem. Grow up already… oops I’m sorry you cannot do that you are still reading kids’ stories. What next? a trip to the North Pole to find Santa Claus? 

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        Do not read Quran then Read Bible . problem solved.  Adam was a Muslim and all the prophet after him was Muslim too. Did Jesus ever claim to be a Christian? If Bismillah (In the name of Allah) is found in Christianity then why you call Allah Zehova or God? If you forsake the teaching of the Prophets then Allah will surely send another one to establish the truth. Now read Bible and you are not forced to read Quran. 

        We believe Prophet Muhammad( Peace be upon him) went to meet all the prophets in Heaven. Why do you have to believe that? Its the Muslim who believe. You believe what you like.

        Google ” The Final Revival of the Roman Empire” By Peter Salemi then identify the Romans of today from the Christian source

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Mein Gott.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Mein Gott.

        3. Hannibal Avatar

          Jehovah is a translation of old hebrew… When Moses asked the burning bush who are you? God answered ana huwa (I am HE) He who has no name. God is a translation in English for Allah which comes from ELi (hebrew) ilaahi… God has no name you idiotic fool… So if he was before creation he named himself? Yes he woke up one day and said WOW i will name myself Allah, it has a nice ring to it…
          before Mohammed was born, what was the name of his dad? Abdullah right? and Allah was one of the deities that Arabs worshipped allat (any similarities in names?), all-uzza etc…
           Garm-‘allahi – god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi – ‘gods covenant’ (Greek Ausallos)
          Allah was the ‘Lord of the Kaaba… Lord of Manat, al-Lat, and al-Uzza LOOOONG before Islam.
          God is similar to saying ilaah and HE HAS NO NAME… The idiots of Jehovah’s witness translated the old hebrew/aramaic of ana huwa to jehova… When the Christians talk about Allah they speak of ilaahi not that God’s name is Allah.

        4. Hannibal Avatar

          Jehovah is a translation of old hebrew… When Moses asked the burning bush who are you? God answered ana huwa (I am HE) He who has no name. God is a translation in English for Allah which comes from ELi (hebrew) ilaahi… God has no name you idiotic fool… So if he was before creation he named himself? Yes he woke up one day and said WOW i will name myself Allah, it has a nice ring to it…
          before Mohammed was born, what was the name of his dad? Abdullah right? and Allah was one of the deities that Arabs worshipped allat (any similarities in names?), all-uzza etc…
           Garm-‘allahi – god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi – ‘gods covenant’ (Greek Ausallos)
          Allah was the ‘Lord of the Kaaba… Lord of Manat, al-Lat, and al-Uzza LOOOONG before Islam.
          God is similar to saying ilaah and HE HAS NO NAME… The idiots of Jehovah’s witness translated the old hebrew/aramaic of ana huwa to jehova… When the Christians talk about Allah they speak of ilaahi not that God’s name is Allah.

      2. actualy hannibal there is countless and overwelming  evidence of the use of gods name as Jehovah for centuries  untill a campaign to remove it from many newer translations.  At Exodus 3:15 He did say to Moses this is my name, when the name is removed from bible translation that doen’st make any sense since lord is a title like mr, or dr. etc.  At Isaiah 12:2-4 it says the lord Jehovah is my strength…. call upon His name.  Again in Malachi 3:16 reference is made to fear God and think upon His Name, although in many bibles the actual name has been removed.  John 17:26 Jesus prayed and said I have made your name known.   

        but dont take it from a salafist wahabi like me, perhaps one of our guests from south of the border can opine :):):)

  10. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Be yourself and let other live in their dream. I am happy to be a Muslim and I am happy to have our Prophets such as Moses , Jesus , Muhammad, Abraham (peace be upon them)and all other prophets and I am happy to have our creator Allah!! 
    La Ilaha Illlal La hu Muhammadur Rasullah. 

    Allah hu Akhbar

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      Nobody said to you not to worship the way you want… What I question is the sanity of the books you read. First of, Moses story was plagiarized from the Akkadians so is the Jesus (Horus) story taken from the Egyptians. Abraham and his stories do not add up nor the flood story (Noah) which was plagiarized from Mesopotamia’s Gilgamesh epic so is the genesis. When I was a very young boy studying those books I saw the similarities between the stories and I am amazed that you haven’t noticed the stealing of other nations histories and arts and belief. Those individuals who wrote those books were extremely uncreative. They just copied the books of others and changed them to fit the age. You keep throwing these motos around of Allahu akbar and la ilah ella el laah as if I told you or others otherwise. Go research the basmallah and see that it was on every Christian letter written LOOOONG before Islam was invented. Explain that to me Mr. Know it all. I believe in God YES the ONE GOD, but it is my right not to believe in your prophets nor in your plagiarized books. The story of Moses is similar to the story of Sargon (another Babylonian Myth). The burning bush was taken from Egyptian mythology which represented their god Ra and archeological studies disprove the story of Joseph and the exodus. The story of Satan was invented in Egypt… His name was Seth which evolved to become satan or chitaan… Anup baptized Horus became John baptizing Jesus…and the story of the Son of god is a story taken from antiquities wich survives still… Alexander the great said of himself the son of Zeus. half of the female deities of the old world were virgins… and the best yet is that Mo your prophet went on a horse which flew him to Jerusalem. Grow up already… oops I’m sorry you cannot do that you are still reading kids’ stories. What next? a trip to the North Pole to find Santa Claus? 

      1. actualy hannibal there is countless and overwelming  evidence of the use of gods name as Jehovah for centuries  untill a campaign to remove it from many newer translations.  At Exodus 3:15 He did say to Moses this is my name, when the name is removed from bible translation that doen’st make any sense since lord is a title like mr, or dr. etc.  At Isaiah 12:2-4 it says the lord Jehovah is my strength…. call upon His name.  Again in Malachi 3:16 reference is made to fear God and think upon His Name, although in many bibles the actual name has been removed.  John 17:26 Jesus prayed and said I have made your name known.   

        but dont take it from a salafist wahabi like me, perhaps one of our guests from south of the border can opine :):):)

  11. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Be yourself and let other live in their dream. I am happy to be a Muslim and I am happy to have our Prophets such as Moses , Jesus , Muhammad, Abraham (peace be upon them)and all other prophets and I am happy to have our creator Allah!! 
    La Ilaha Illlal La hu Muhammadur Rasullah. 

    Allah hu Akhbar

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      I’d then like to know how you can justify – in your mind – being a creationist, and then talk about evolution.
      Unless it’s only a wargame?

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        I believe in Allah and his creation and reject those nonsense of 
        creationist; I let you to think and conclude in your way. If I say the Muslims will again defeat the Romans, the Parsians and the Alawites by the help of Allah, then you will have problem to stomach it. So I used that survival of the fittest theory for your understanding. There is another theory …Karma is a B…..

        What ever way you love to understand is up to you.  

        1. and God created the universe in 6 days… then he got so tired he had to rest on the Sabath… a day is one earth revolution… the universe was created before earth… so what day measure were we talking about?
          All those dinosaurs that evolved to become birds and those homo erectus and homo habilis and other homos (not in the modern sense :P) that existed before homo sapiens were created by whom? oh may be god made a mistake and created the wrong version of humans then destroyed them all…

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Um … errr … yah Hannibal (below) … there were a lot of homos weren’t there?? 😉

    2. Nobody said to you not to worship the way you want… What I question is the sanity of the books you read. First of, Moses story was plagiarized from the Akkadians so is the Jesus (Horus) story taken from the Egyptians. Abraham and his stories do not add up nor the flood story (Noah) which was plagiarized from Mesopotamia’s Gilgamesh epic so is the genesis. When I was a very young boy studying those books I saw the similarities between the stories and I am amazed that you haven’t noticed the stealing of other nations histories and arts and belief. Those individuals who wrote those books were extremely uncreative. They just copied the books of others and changed them to fit the age. You keep throwing these motos around of Allahu akbar and la ilah ella el laah as if I told you or others otherwise. Go research the basmallah and see that it was on every Christian letter written LOOOONG before Islam was invented. Explain that to me Mr. Know it all. I believe in God YES the ONE GOD, but it is my right not to believe in your prophets nor in your plagiarized books. The story of Moses is similar to the story of Sargon (another Babylonian Myth). The burning bush was taken from Egyptian mythology which represented their god Ra and archeological studies disprove the story of Joseph and the exodus. The story of Satan was invented in Egypt… His name was Seth which evolved to become satan or chitaan… Anup baptized Horus became John baptizing Jesus…and the story of the Son of god is a story taken from antiquities wich survives still… Alexander the great said of himself the son of Zeus. half of the female deities of the old world were virgins… and the best yet is that Mo your prophet went on a horse which flew him to Jerusalem. Grow up already… oops I’m sorry you cannot do that you are still reading kids’ stories. What next? a trip to the North Pole to find Santa Claus? 

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        Do not read Quran then Read Bible . problem solved.  Adam was a Muslim and all the prophet after him was Muslim too. Did Jesus ever claim to be a Christian? If Bismillah (In the name of Allah) is found in Christianity then why you call Allah Zehova or God? If you forsake the teaching of the Prophets then Allah will surely send another one to establish the truth. Now read Bible and you are not forced to read Quran. 

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Mein Got.

        2. Jehovah is a translation of old hebrew… When Moses asked the burning bush who are you? God answered ana huwa (I am HE) He who has no name. God is a translation in English for Allah which comes from ELi (hebrew) ilaahi… God has no name you idiotic fool… So if he was before creation he named himself? Yes he woke up one day and said WOW i will name myself Allah, it has a nice ring to it…
          before Mohammed was born, what was the name of his dad? Abdullah right? and Allah was one of the deities that Arabs worshipped allat (any similarities in names?), all-uzza etc…
           Garm-‘allahi – god dedided (Greek Garamelos) and Aush-allahi – ‘gods covenant’ (Greek Ausallos)
          Allah was the ‘Lord of the Kaaba… Lord of Manat, al-Lat, and al-Uzza LOOOONG before Islam.
          God is similar to saying ilaah and HE HAS NO NAME… The idiots of Jehovah’s witness translated the old hebrew/aramaic of ana huwa to jehova… When the Christians talk about Allah they speak of ilaahi not that God’s name is Allah.

      2. actualy hannibal there is countless and overwelming  evidence of the use of gods name as Jehovah for centuries  untill a campaign to remove it from many newer translations.  At Exodus 3:15 He did say to Moses this is my name, when the name is removed from bible translation that doen’st make any sense since lord is a title like mr, or dr. etc.  At Isaiah 12:2-4 it says the lord Jehovah is my strength…. call upon His name.  Again in Malachi 3:16 reference is made to fear God and think upon His Name, although in many bibles the actual name has been removed.  John 17:26 Jesus prayed and said I have made your name known.   

        but dont take it from a salafist wahabi like me, perhaps one of our guests from south of the border can opine :):):)

  12. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Its a shame you dont know the Roman history. The Roman empire separated  and Byzantine was evolved . So today to identify the both entity is not easy but we can do it through the element from both side . i.e. The Greek Orthodox Christians vs the Roman Catholic. The Greek vs the Latin. How do you identify the Arab Muslim empire today, Is it Saudi western lackey kings? 

    You are a pure Idiot. Why do you pay attention on Muslims prophesy? I am here to write my things and most of my writing of the future will be from the prophesy. I know many of it by now and still doing my research. You will hear many from me inshallah. There is no official Roman empire today so I dont jump in to immediate conclusion. But we know that the Romans will invade Syria, Turkey etc. So when they invade then we will identify them. Russians orthodox Christians can be Roman in a generic term and they are already in Syria. 

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      Pathetic… Everything revolves around religion for you. Prophet, someone is taken your job… lol

  13. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Its a shame you dont know the Roman history. The Roman empire separated  and Byzantine was evolved . So today to identify the both entity is not easy but we can do it through the element from both side . i.e. The Greek Orthodox Christians vs the Roman Catholic. The Greek vs the Latin. How do you identify the Arab Muslim empire today, Is it Saudi western lackey kings? 

    You are a pure Idiot. Why do you pay attention on Muslims prophesy? I am here to write my things and most of my writing of the future will be from the prophesy. I know many of it by now and still doing my research. You will hear many from me inshallah. There is no official Roman empire today so I dont jump in to immediate conclusion. But we know that the Romans will invade Syria, Turkey etc. So when they invade then we will identify them. Russians orthodox Christians can be Roman in a generic term and they are already in Syria. 

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      Pathetic… Everything revolves around religion for you. Prophet, someone is taken your job… lol

  14. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Its a shame you dont know the Roman history. The Roman empire separated  and Byzantine was evolved . So today to identify the both entity is not easy but we can do it through the element from both side . i.e. The Greek Orthodox Christians vs the Roman Catholic. The Greek vs the Latin. How do you identify the Arab Muslim empire today, Is it Saudi western lackey kings? 

    You are a pure Idiot. Why do you pay attention on Muslims prophesy? I am here to write my things and most of my writing of the future will be from the prophesy. I know many of it by now and still doing my research. You will hear many from me inshallah. There is no official Roman empire today so I dont jump in to immediate conclusion. But we know that the Romans will invade Syria, Turkey etc. So when they invade then we will identify them. Russians orthodox Christians can be Roman in a generic term and they are already in Syria. 

    1. Pathetic… Everything revolves around religion for you. Prophet, someone is taken your job… lol

  15. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    I read Bible prophesy too. How do you identify America there? is it written America by name?  I think it is commonly accepted by the Christian scholars that “Mystery Babylon” is todays USA . I dont disagree with that but we will research. Read the Bible prophesy then you will learn how to interpret prophesy.  

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      There is no prophesy… You make your own destiny.

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        Thats your belief but we Muslims have some book of Prophesy and we read them. what is your problem? I think I have to send you more prophesy from now on against every reply you make. Its a deal. 

  16. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    I read Bible prophesy too. How do you identify America there? is it written America by name?  I think it is commonly accepted by the Christian scholars that “Mystery Babylon” is todays USA . I dont disagree with that but we will research. Read the Bible prophesy then you will learn how to interpret prophesy.  

  17. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    I read Bible prophesy too. How do you identify America there? is it written America by name?  I think it is commonly accepted by the Christian scholars that “Mystery Babylon” is todays USA . I dont disagree with that but we will research. Read the Bible prophesy then you will learn how to interpret prophesy.  

    1. There is no prophesy… You make your own destiny.

      1. wargame1 Avatar

        Thats your belief but we Muslims have some book of Prophesy and we read them. what is your problem? I think I have to send you more prophesy from now on against every reply you make. Its a deal. 

  18. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Jaber bin Samra based on Nafi bin Otba reports that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

     ” …You will marsh against (or attack) the Arabian Peninsulaand Allah will open (conquer) it, then Persia and Allah will open (conquer) it. Then, you will marsh against (attack) the Romans’ land and Allahwill open  (or conquer) it. Then, you will marsh against (attack) the Dajjal (Anti-Christ) (or Dajjal’s land), and Allah will open  (conquer) it.” 

    Then, Nafi said (to Jaber): “O’ Jaber, we will not see the Dajjal(The Anti Christ) emerge until the Romans’ land has been conquered (by Allah for the Muslims).”(Sahih Muslim and Ibn Majah)

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      so when you march against you need to kill humans (God’s creation)…. hmmmm keep marching. Do you see yourself march here and march there and people die here and people die there… You have no respect for life as long as you are reading barbaric backward books…
      Here is a suggestion for you. Instead of marching why don’t you just sit with others and argue and try to convert them to your religion by the power of education and mind… OH I KNOW WHY you won’t do that… because your books are not convincing so we keep marching by the sword… hamaj.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Ah yes … the books … from when humans first began to try to make sense of their little bit of various universes, and pass on something of what they had seen and done.
        I often felt the best books of my youth were the ones of ‘science fiction’. Written by people who had wonderful imaginations, many of the things written about have come true in my lifetime, although no-one had any idea some of it could happen back then. Fiction created dreams in some heads … and then some of those heads worked to make it so. Imagination turned into reality.
        (I recount again my aging grandmother’s line: ‘I wouldn’t believe it if you proved it to me.’ 😉
        At a certain time in life, Fairy Tales were also a favourite. All humans have enjoyed those writings too.
        Now simply think (think simply?) … If one had, instead, read and felt good about a book which tried to explain other mysteries of life, and it was presented as a ‘non-fiction’ instead of a fairy tale, how many variations on the theme could be written by readers who followed? And then, think if people tried their best to make it become true, as they did with the science fiction?
        What is the difference, you may ask. Well, science is rather an exacting thing … it either is or it isn’t.
        Strangely enough, in Science we discard what doesn’t work – indeed, often forbid what harms humans. (And yes, those Scientologists are weird people too.)
        But with the Fairy Tales, we keep trying to prove the veracity. For example, when was the last time you dared to walk under a ladder? 🙂
        It’s a mystical thing indeed … how a single human thought ‘Thou shalt not kill.’ (because basically it lowers the work-force and might leave no women to have sex with) expanded to a second thought ‘Love thy neighbour as thyself.’; and then took off like wildfire in a plethora of future theories which can never be proven, but which humans continually try to make happen anyway.
        Amazing ….

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          I would walk under a ladder, take a plane on Friday the 13th and finally kiss a black cat before drawing a lottery ticket.
          Here is a joke for you:
          A Syrian paratrooper was training for a big show for the president… On demo day he refuses to get on the plane. His officer tells him the show would be cancelled and they have no replacement what gives? The soldier simply explains that his mother saw a dream that his parachute won’t deploy… So the officer offers him his parachute and takes his bragging that he is not superstitious… The paratroopers jumped from the plane and then the last one was the officer. He jumps but his parachute won’t open… As he goes by he paratrooper fast falling down he screams…. kis emmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak (with a doppler effect). lol

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Hannibal … I assume ‘shamoooooooooota’ was cut short by the sudden stop. 🙂

  19. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Jaber bin Samra based on Nafi bin Otba reports that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said:

     ” …You will marsh against (or attack) the Arabian Peninsulaand Allah will open (conquer) it, then Persia and Allah will open (conquer) it. Then, you will marsh against (attack) the Romans’ land and Allahwill open  (or conquer) it. Then, you will marsh against (attack) the Dajjal (Anti-Christ) (or Dajjal’s land), and Allah will open  (conquer) it.” 

    Then, Nafi said (to Jaber): “O’ Jaber, we will not see the Dajjal(The Anti Christ) emerge until the Romans’ land has been conquered (by Allah for the Muslims).”(Sahih Muslim and Ibn Majah)

    1. so when you march against you need to kill humans (God’s creation)…. hmmmm keep marching. Do you see yourself march here and march there and people die here and people die there… You have no respect for life as long as you are reading barbaric backward books…
      Here is a suggestion for you. Instead of marching why don’t you just sit with others and argue and try to convert them to your religion by the power of education and mind… OH I KNOW WHY you won’t do that… because your books are not convincing so we keep marching by the sword… hamaj.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Ah yes … the books … from when humans first began to try to make sense of their little bit of various universes, and pass on something of what they had seen and done.
        I often felt the best books of my youth were the ones of ‘science fiction’. Written by people who had wonderful imaginations, many of the things written about have come true in my lifetime, although no-one had any idea some of it could happen back then. Fiction created dreams in some heads … and then some of those heads worked to make it so. Imagination turned into reality.
        (I recount again my aging grandmother’s line: ‘I wouldn’t believe it if you proved it to me.’ 😉
        At a certain time in life, Fairy Tales were also a favourite. All humans have enjoyed those writings too.
        Now simply think (think simply?) … If one had, instead, read and felt good about a book which tried to explain other mysteries of life, and it was presented as a ‘non-fiction’ instead of a fairy tale, how many variations on the theme could be written by readers who followed? And then, think if people tried their best to make it become true, as they did with the science fiction?
        What is the difference, you may ask. Well, science is rather an exacting thing … it either is or it isn’t.
        Strangely enough, in Science we discard what doesn’t work – indeed, often forbid what harms humans. (And yes, those Scientologists are weird people too.)
        But with the Fairy Tales, we keep trying to prove the veracity. For example, when was the last time you dared to walk under a ladder? 🙂
        It’s a mystical thing indeed … how a single human thought ‘Thou shalt not kill.’ (because basically it lowers the work-force and might leave no women to have sex with) expanded to a second thought ‘Love thy neighbour as thyself.’; and then took off like wildfire in a plethora of future theories which can never be proven, but which humans continually try to make happen anyway.
        Amazing ….

        1. I would walk under a ladder, take a plane on Friday the 13th and finally kiss a black cat before drawing a lottery ticket.
          Here is a joke for you:
          A Syrian paratrooper was training for a big show for the president… On demo day he refuses to get on the plane. His officer tells him the show would be cancelled and they have no replacement what gives? The soldier simply explains that his mother saw a dream that his parachute won’t deploy… So the officer offers him his parachute and takes his bragging that he is not superstitious… The paratroopers jumped from the plane and then the last one was the officer. He jumps but his parachute won’t open… As he goes by he paratrooper fast falling down he screams…. kis emmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak (with a doppler effect). lol

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Hannibal … I assume ‘shamoooooooooota’ was cut short by the sudden stop. 🙂

  20. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Narrated from Ka’b  bin Alqama : “There will be, after the Fitna (trouble) in AshSham, an eastern one (Fitna) which will be the devastation of the kings and the humiliation of the Arabs, until the people of the Maghrib come out.” (Nuaim bin Hammad, Kitab al-Fitan, No. 53) 

    Economic Embergo on Iraq(Already happened during Saddam) and Syria

    Abu Nadhrah says: “We were sitting in the company of Jaber bin Abdullah when he said: ” Soon the people of Iraq will neither receive any food (grain) nor any money.’ We asked, Why would such a thing happen? He replied: ‘Because of the Al-Agam (Persians or Non-Arabs).’ He then said: ‘Soon the people of AshSham (Greater Syria) will neither receive any money nor grain.’ We asked as to why this would happen. He replied: ‘Because of the Romans.’ Then he was silent a while and then said the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم  said ‘there will be at the end of my nation a Caliph (possibly Al-Mahdi) who grabs money with his hands (and give it away) without counting it… “. (Sahih Muslim) 

    Abu Huraira said that Allah’s Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “Iraq will withhold its dirhams and qafiz; Syria will withhold its mudd and dinar and Egypt will withhold its irdab and dinar. You will return to that position from where you started. You will return to that position from where you started. The flesh and blood of Abu Huraira bears testimony to it.” (Sahih Muslim)

    Is there an Embergo on Syria now ???

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      Nostradamus…

    2. Hannibal Avatar

      Nostradamus…

  21. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    Narrated from Ka’b  bin Alqama : “There will be, after the Fitna (trouble) in AshSham, an eastern one (Fitna) which will be the devastation of the kings and the humiliation of the Arabs, until the people of the Maghrib come out.” (Nuaim bin Hammad, Kitab al-Fitan, No. 53) 

    Economic Embergo on Iraq(Already happened during Saddam) and Syria

    Abu Nadhrah says: “We were sitting in the company of Jaber bin Abdullah when he said: ” Soon the people of Iraq will neither receive any food (grain) nor any money.’ We asked, Why would such a thing happen? He replied: ‘Because of the Al-Agam (Persians or Non-Arabs).’ He then said: ‘Soon the people of AshSham (Greater Syria) will neither receive any money nor grain.’ We asked as to why this would happen. He replied: ‘Because of the Romans.’ Then he was silent a while and then said the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم  said ‘there will be at the end of my nation a Caliph (possibly Al-Mahdi) who grabs money with his hands (and give it away) without counting it… “. (Sahih Muslim) Is there an Embergo on Syria now ???

    1. Nostradamus…

  22. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    How many Million of people already killed by the Romans in Afghanistan , in Iraq , in Libya ? Do you believe that falsely attributed on Jesus(peace be upon him) teaching that when some one slap you you give your other cheek to slap? 

    Jesus never said such thing. Muslims will forgive if the invaders stop war but its a moral duty to stop this killing in Libya , in Iraq , Afghanistan and Syria and many more Roman Invasion is coming. What do you expect for the Muslims ? to die like a rat ? The Muslims dont have better arms , its a unjust war on them and you simply dont like the Muslim resistance. You are a hypocrite. 

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      Those people are neither Christians nor Romans, they are U.S. troops paid to do the work of a stupid voting majority not any different than those committing terrorism in the name of islam. I never said to you not to defend yourselves… But to think that Christians are leading this war you are mistaken… It is the devil of wall street… It is money and greed… Oil and gaz pipelines… The minute those resources will dry out the Americans will pick up and leave. We do not differ on the principle we differ on the nomenclature (names).

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        ‘A rose by any other name ….’. 😉

    2. Hannibal Avatar

      Those people are neither Christians nor Romans, they are U.S. troops paid to do the work of a stupid voting majority not any different than those committing terrorism in the name of islam. I never said to you not to defend yourselves… But to think that Christians are leading this war you are mistaken… It is the devil of wall street… It is money and greed… Oil and gaz pipelines… The minute those resources will dry out the Americans will pick up and leave. We do not differ on the principle we differ on the nomenclature (names).

  23. wargame1 Avatar

    @hbarca:disqus 
    How many Million of people already killed by the Romans in Afghanistan , in Iraq , in Libya ? Do you believe that falsely attributed on Jesus(peace be upon him) teaching that when some one slap you you give your other cheek to slap? 

    Jesus never said such thing. Muslims will forgive if the invaders stop war but its a moral duty to stop this killing in Libya , in Iraq , Afghanistan and Syria and many more Roman Invasion is coming. What do you expect for the Muslims ? to die like a rat ? The Muslims dont have better arms , its a unjust war on them and you simply dont like the Muslim resistance. You are a hypocrite. 

    1. Those people are neither Christians nor Romans, they are U.S. troops paid to do the work of a stupid voting majority not any different than those committing terrorism in the name of islam. I never said to you not to defend yourselves… But to think that Christians are leading this war you are mistaken… It is the devil of wall street… It is money and greed… Oil and gaz pipelines… The minute those resources will dry out the Americans will pick up and leave. We do not differ on the principle we differ on the nomenclature (names).

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        ‘A rose by any other name ….’. 😉

  24. Prophettttt Avatar
    Prophettttt

     Hannibal,Some one needs to wake up dad so He can settle it between you two.lol

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      There is no settlement between logic (me) and mythology…

      1. Prophettttt Avatar
        Prophettttt

        Good luck,Hannibal.I don’t see a winner,but I can see your blood pressure rising,lol

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Prophet … the real Lebanese … loving the dialogue. :-))))

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Prophet … the real Lebanese … loving the dialogue. :-))))

  25. Prophettttt Avatar
    Prophettttt

     Hannibal,Some one needs to wake up dad so He can settle it between you two.lol

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      There is no settlement between logic (me) and mythology…

  26. Prophettttt Avatar
    Prophettttt

     Hannibal,Some one needs to wake up dad so He can settle it between you two.lol

    1. There is no settlement between logic (me) and mythology…

      1. Prophettttt Avatar
        Prophettttt

        Good luck,Hannibal.I don’t see a winner,but I can see your blood pressure rising,lol

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Prophet … the real Lebanese … loving the dialogue. :-))))

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