Reaction to the verdict against Karam

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As expected the reaction to the prison sentence of former army general Fayez Karam was mixed ;while March 14 officials thought the sentence was too short when compared to other sentences for similar crimes FPM officials thought the sentence was politicized.

Lebanon’s military court on Saturday sentenced Karam , a high ranking member of Free patriotic Movement (FPM) which is allied with Hezbollah to two years in prison for leaking information to Israel, a judicial source said.

“Military prosecutor Fadi Akiki has found retired general Fayez Karam guilty of contacting enemy (Israeli) intelligence… and providing them with political information,” mainly on Hezbollah and its ally the Christian Free Patriotic Movement (FPM), the source told AFP.

March 14

March 14 MP Okab Sakr said on Sunday that the verdict issued against retired general Fayez Karam reveals a double scandal.

“Firstly, the verdict shows that Karam is guilty – despite all the declarations of Change and Reform bloc leader MP Michel Aoun and his team – and secondly, it shows inconsistency when dealing with such a serious file, because Karam’s fellow collaborators were given sentences ranging between seven years to life in prison,” Sakr said in a statement issued by his office.

Sakr also questioned Hezbollah’s stance regarding the verdict, especially that the party’s leaders have always called for executing traitors as a means to deter collaboration with Israel.

“His sentence was reduced from life in prison to only three years because he is a member of Aoun’s political movement [Free Patriotic Movement], and then to a two-year sentence as a token of loyalty from Hezbollah to an allied collaborator.”

The MP also scornfully congratulated Hezbollah on its government that on one hand rejects the UN-backed Special Tribunal for Lebanon (STL) probing into the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri and accuses it of being an “Israeli court,” but on the other reduces the sentence of people who directly collaborated with Israel.

March 14 MP Ahmad Fatfat also said in an interview published on Sunday that the military court’s verdict against retired general Karam strengthens the credibility of the Internal Security Forces (ISF) Information branch.

“The verdict did prove that Karam committed an act of treason,” Fatfat told An-Nahar newspaper.

Fatfat also said “the jail sentence is very short and encourages people to collaborate with Israel… unless the [general’s] political background prevailed and gave political interest priority over the real patriotic standpoint.”

FPM

FPM MP Nabil Nicolas said in an interview published on Sunday that the verdict against Karam is a ready-made decision.

“The court must listen to the witnesses, to defense attorneys and to the voice of conscience. It should not issue a verdict based on political reasons…” Nicolas told An-Nahar newspaper.

The MP also said that there was not sufficient evidence to convict Karam, and that the witnesses gave confusing and contradictory testimonies.

FPM MP Ibrahim Kanaan also rejected on Saturday the military court’s decision to sentence the former FPM official to two years in prison for leaking information to Israel.

“I regret [this sentence]. All it is based on is [something] void, and the Internal Security Forces Information Branch destroyed all evidence,” he told New TV station.

“Where are the recordings [implicating Karam] that the Branch claims it has?” Kanaan asked.

The FPM MP also said that the party will ask for another trial, adding that the sentence “is not final.”

Karam, a member of the FPM, was arrested last summer, the first political figure to be detained in Lebanon as part of probe launched in 2009 into Israeli spy networks.

Karam 62, headed the Lebanese army’s anti-terrorism and counter-espionage unit during the 1980s and was close to Aoun, who was army chief toward the end of the 1975-1990 civil war.

Aoun, who was staunchly anti-Syrian during the civil war, entered into a controversial alliance with the Iran and Syria-backed Hezbollah in 2006, a year after returning to Lebanon from exile in France.

More than 100 people have been arrested on suspicion of spying for the Israeli Mossad since April 2009, including members of the security forces and telecom employees.

Several have since been sentenced to death, including one found guilty of aiding Israel during its devastating 2006 war with Hezbollah.

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68 responses to “Reaction to the verdict against Karam”

  1. Hariri, Geagea, Aoun and Jumblat should be put in jail or executed for working with Israel. All of them have a history of doing so.

    1. Not Aoun buddy! Aoun worked for Lebanon ONLY.
      Karam was instrumental in aiding the resistance before the 2000 victorious liberation. Many army officers passed information to the resistance during the occupation. Remember the officer that was second in command to Lahad in the SLA, he disappeared 2 days before the liberation, he was passing info to the resistance. Karam was an implant, he passed false information about the resistance. I fault him for even meeting any Israel intelligence period. 

      1. Aoun is a criminal, when you say his name its like you are talking about the next Messiah. 

        1. Patience2 Avatar

          Anti-Messiah, maybe ??

      2. antar2011 Avatar

        Aoun has always worked and will always work for HIMSELF only.

        hence Bassil’s comments reflecting Aoun’s thinking …”if the plan for electricity will not be passed, the govt will fall”…that certainly is not working for Lebanon.

        stop giving him excuses…it is pathetic!

    2. shankarees Avatar

      Emile Lahhoud, Michel Aoun, Hassan Nasrallah and Nabeeh Birri should all go to jail for conspiring with foreign (Syrian and Iranian) forces against the Lebanese people.

      1. it seems that every one has their list and the list is allways missing a few names and really indicates that we are still trapped in our own reasoning  and missing the big picture.
          no doubt the devil wants all of us to stay distracted  from the real issue and that is how we can qualify to be in gods favor and kingdom.
        you will recall that when the devil tempted jesus on a  high cliff he pointed to pretty much the whole middle east and said i will give you  all theses kingdoms if you do an act of worship to me.
        the devil could not have offered it if he did not have control  and possesion of it.
        jesus on many occasions including this one indicated  that his kingdom  was no part of this world.
         as i said in previous comments what difference will any of this make 500 years from now.
        god is  not partial and does not operate as any of the lebanese warlords or followers but he is a god of justice and will not ovelook a single life taken in this civil war or any other
        i replied to your comment but i point out  to all  that there is an abundance of knowlage that we are simply not consuming   that clearly indicated that lebanon  and all other countries are simply a piece of real estate .used by the devil to keep our focus and attention away from  everlasting life and paradise with no flags or worldly leaders and lack of justice  for all humans that we see everyday.

        1. shankarees Avatar

          How did this become a theological discussion is a question which needs Michel Aoun’s logic or lack of it to analyze.  I believe it is better described in the saying “Sho jaab tuz la mar7aba?”

        2. leobetapar Avatar

          and God have put the Jewish in exile and any one who will help Him to make them stay in exil will go to paradise,.Is that’s not beautyfull?

        3. leo welcome back you sick racist  twisted freak,lol i actually miss you and i am glad to see you again…. where do you go for 4 days at a time?

      2. it seems that every one has their list and the list is allways missing a few names and really indicates that we are still trapped in our own reasoning  and missing the big picture.
          no doubt the devil wants all of us to stay distracted  from the real issue and that is how we can qualify to be in gods favor and kingdom.
        you will recall that when the devil tempted jesus on a  high cliff he pointed to pretty much the whole middle east and said i will give you  all theses kingdoms if you do an act of worship to me.
        the devil could not have offered it if he did not have control  and possesion of it.
        jesus on many occasions including this one indicated  that his kingdom  was no part of this world.
         as i said in previous comments what difference will any of this make 500 years from now.
        god is  not partial and does not operate as any of the lebanese warlords or followers but he is a god of justice and will not ovelook a single life taken in this civil war or any other
        i replied to your comment but i point out  to all  that there is an abundance of knowlage that we are simply not consuming   that clearly indicated that lebanon  and all other countries are simply a piece of real estate .used by the devil to keep our focus and attention away from  everlasting life and paradise with no flags or worldly leaders and lack of justice  for all humans that we see everyday.

        1. leobetapar Avatar

          and God have put the Jewish in exile and any one who will help Him to make them stay in exil will go to paradise,.Is that’s not beautyfull?

    3. PROPHET.T Avatar

      2160John,
      Instead of  creating  yet  another  divisive issue of  putting  those  people  in  jail for working with  Israel, I would  jail all Lebanese warlords for killing  200 thousand  Lebanese  ,for  destroying  everything that  made Lebanon   unique, and for  forcing  us all  to  leave Lebanon.
      Not  being a  supporter  of  any  political  party ,and not  defending any one, but  I  don’t think that  Aoun fits  the  same  description of Jumblat, Berri, Geagea, Gemayle, Hubeika, kleilat, and  many others( from  all  sects)  who  championed  all the civil  wars  of  the  79, 80.
      The man  has  his  flows, and has made  his  mistakes, but He is  not a  warlord, and  I’ve never  heard anyone  accusing  him  of  working with  Israel either. His  war  with  Geagea, as  horrible  as  it  was, it  was  forced on  him. He was the head of the national army; the other guy was a warlord. I do question his sanity and his decision making process sometimes, but not so much his intentions. I dislike his obsession with power, and arrogance ,which is typical of Most Army generals.

      1. antar2011 Avatar

        there was a picture few months back showed Aoun shaking hands with an israeli army officer….wake up from whatever you are in and smell the …flowers.

        if Aoun is not a warlord, what do you call the liberation war?…what purpose was it for?

        what do you call his totalitarian ways together is Bassil ‘ i am or no one”…

        hmph!

        1. Photo Shop is a wonderful propaganda tool. Aoun was never a war lord, he commanded the Lebanese army that we all praise now. The army under his command had the same characteristic that we want our present army to have. He fought all the militias that you hate now. He tried to liberate Lebanon from the occupation that you supported then and you hate now. He was against the Taif accord that we are paying its price now. The Lebanese army never killed any innocent Lebanese based on their sect. It took most of the Lebanese militias, the Syrian army and its air force with the political support of the US and Europe to defeat the strong brave men up on the hills. 
          Having said all that, do I think he made mistakes? Yes, but that is Monday morning quarter backing. The new government came to power not to just hang out, it came to do what the Lebanese are in dire need of ELECTRICITY. Sirlanka has better electric generation than Lebanon does. So yes if he can’t get the electric issue, they should resign. 
          Can you tell us what the previous government (all 20 years of it) did to the electricity issue? NOTHING. Lebanon had better electric distribution 20 years ago than they have now. Yes Aoun should act totalitarian to get things done, by the way many other Lebanese parties support him except for the ones that want to use the money to fund the STL.

          1. antar2011 Avatar

            photoshop or not, i won’t be suprised if he did collaborate with the israelis to serve his interests then.

            -he helped divide the army

            -he left evrything even his family and ran away to france, saving his neck…funny though he dod not forget to take a lot….A LOT…of money from the govt before his “heroic” departure….el 7arami.

            -he fought the syrians and lead a war against the syrians, left the army under the syrians mercy and escaped….yet, he made a contract to life or death to be obedient to the syrians after his back in 2005…so much so for patriotism.

            -mistakes?….if he stopped making mistakes and amended his way poeple would have been more willing to listen to the maniac, but he has not stopped…and never will. the only reason he was back to lebanon after 2005 is to divide the christians and he had…with supporters who turn a blind eye to his “mistakes’ and give him excuses here and there under the pretext of lebanese christian salvation and lebanese patriotism… with the weakened role of the president with the formation of the current govt, the christian siuation is not better then before…but of course that does not matter…because Aoun is not the president, it is only Sulaiwoman.

            as for the electricity…..i have to remind you the 20 years you were talking about, the electricity administration was under the mercy of poeple who Aoun is allied with now…why are you or any other Aoun supporter parroting what Aoun Mps say without checking who were the ministers managing the electricity then?

            ba3den, why does Bassil not want any body to know how he is going to ‘make things better for the electricity”?…the other ministers have every right to know every step he has to do especially with the big amount of money he asked to get… and no whatever gibberish he had presented to the ministers was not enought because he still insist not to have any one monitoring his actions…have you asked why?…considering the past his father in law had with the govt before his runaway… it does not need a genius to guess what is he after.

            anyways, if he is going to ‘fix” the electricity in the same way he did with mobile phone lines….then God help the lebanese.

        2. What are you talking about? He divided the army! The army was divided before he took it’s command. It was the Hariri clones that were paying for Khatib army, go read about it. 
          As for him leaving Lebanon in 1990, the decision was made to take east Beirut at any cost. Your Saudi and Hariri backers signed and paid for it. He accepted it to save the Christians, the Syrians and their Lebanese partners were given the green light to use their air force to demolish the E. Beirut. He saved Christian lives by accepting the cease fire term and left to fight another day for Lebanon. As my uncle told me that the army was running out of ammunition because the world was against them including their fellow Lebanese. 
          The Christians were united, as matter of fact the Aonist and LF supporters were protesting and getting jailed together. When Aoun came back he tried to amend fences with Geagea. He visited him in jail and demanded his release. That is when Hariri stepped and paid Geagea off again.

          The electricity issue must be fixed, Basil’s plan is the same plan that put forward by previous governments. If you ask 10 Lebanese of how they want things done you will get 11 answers. They must force it through with an oversight prevision of where the money is being spent. The only reason it’s getting rebuffed is because M8 might take credit for it and the farteen will feel left out. 

            

        3. What are you talking about? He divided the army! The army was divided before he took it’s command. It was the Hariri clones that were paying for Khatib army, go read about it. 
          As for him leaving Lebanon in 1990, the decision was made to take east Beirut at any cost. Your Saudi and Hariri backers signed and paid for it. He accepted it to save the Christians, the Syrians and their Lebanese partners were given the green light to use their air force to demolish the E. Beirut. He saved Christian lives by accepting the cease fire term and left to fight another day for Lebanon. As my uncle told me that the army was running out of ammunition because the world was against them including their fellow Lebanese. 
          The Christians were united, as matter of fact the Aonist and LF supporters were protesting and getting jailed together. When Aoun came back he tried to amend fences with Geagea. He visited him in jail and demanded his release. That is when Hariri stepped and paid Geagea off again.

          The electricity issue must be fixed, Basil’s plan is the same plan that put forward by previous governments. If you ask 10 Lebanese of how they want things done you will get 11 answers. They must force it through with an oversight prevision of where the money is being spent. The only reason it’s getting rebuffed is because M8 might take credit for it and the farteen will feel left out. 

            

        4. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          A Maronite friend of mine who lives in Haifa said that the word on the street is that Aoun came here to negotiate receipt of weapons in 89/90 but it didn’t come to anything cause Israel found out that he was working for Syria.

        5. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          A Maronite friend of mine who lives in Haifa said that the word on the street is that Aoun came here to negotiate receipt of weapons in 89/90 but it didn’t come to anything cause Israel found out that he was working for Syria.

        6. leobetapar Avatar

          you can shake hand and not made trahison .Where do you come from man?

          1. antar2011 Avatar

            would you have said the same thing during 2006 when Saniora accepted the visit of Condi?…..of course not….because of the side you support’s double standards

        7. leobetapar Avatar

          you can shake hand and not made trahison .Where do you come from man?

      2. shankarees Avatar

        It surprises me that nobody points the finger at Yasser Arafat, Ahman Jubreel, Sala7 Khalaf and saa2ir al abawaat who kidnapped, maimed, innocent Lebanese and killed them once they found out they were Christians.  Many of my village people faced this end and Arafat himself proclaimed that the liberation of Palestine went through all the Christian villages and towns including Jounieh, not to forget Damour (al-mudammara, PLO — written on the plaque that names the town).  These terrorist Palestinians, along with the neo-terrorists of Hezbollah and their Christian supporters first before Shiite/Mtaawlé supporters, and the Syrian regime are the real criminals in Lebanon.  Stop blaming leaders and look at yourselves and the real criminals behinds the endless wars of Lebanon.  Talk is cheap especially from those who do not have a clue about what happened in Lebanon and continues to happen because they have sold their souls to the Syrian/Iranian Devil.

    4. PROPHET.T Avatar

      2160John,
      Instead of  creating  yet  another  divisive issue of  putting  those  people  in  jail for working with  Israel, I would  jail all Lebanese warlords for killing  200 thousand  Lebanese  ,for  destroying  everything that  made Lebanon   unique, and for  forcing  us all  to  leave Lebanon.
      Not  being a  supporter  of  any  political  party ,and not  defending any one, but  I  don’t think that  Aoun fits  the  same  description of Jumblat, Berri, Geagea, Gemayle, Hubeika, kleilat, and  many others( from  all  sects)  who  championed  all the civil  wars  of  the  79, 80.
      The man  has  his  flows, and has made  his  mistakes, but He is  not a  warlord, and  I’ve never  heard anyone  accusing  him  of  working with  Israel either. His  war  with  Geagea, as  horrible  as  it  was, it  was  forced on  him. He was the head of the national army; the other guy was a warlord. I do question his sanity and his decision making process sometimes, but not so much his intentions. I dislike his obsession with power, and arrogance ,which is typical of Most Army generals.

    5. please stop with all this civil war stuff…while some were allowing the Palestinians to wipe their ass with our sovereignty others were willing to defend it. people are always saying this leader and that leader should all be jailed for the civil war crimes but none except one have spent any real time in jail. these Leaders are just as Lebanese as all the Lebanese men who fought along sectarian lines. every one of us is just as guilty of the crimes our sects have committed, so lets not get stuck on the past but rather lets stop today’s criminals!

      1. antar2011 Avatar

        i agree wholeheartedly with you but it seems the Aounist want to be stuck in the past for ever… they have nothing bight to praise Aoun after 2005 so they keep mentioning the war years…even if that isn’t a bright period in Aoun’s history anyway [he talked and propagated against syria which is good…then he started a war to have full power in lebanon…no good…then he ran away for france with stolen money…not good at all]…
        they still fall for his talks and do not make him accountable for his innaction on his words….they have the audacity to point the fingers at others who had a bad past agree but have mended their ways today and are trying to truely make a united lebanese country….

        1. I couldn’t agree with you more!

        2. I couldn’t agree with you more!

  2.  Avatar

    Hariri, Geagea, Aoun and Jumblat should be put in jail or executed for working with Israel. All of them have a history of doing so.

    1.  Avatar

      Not Aoun buddy! Aoun worked for Lebanon ONLY.
      Karam was instrumental in aiding the resistance before the 2000 victorious liberation. Many army officers passed information to the resistance during the occupation. Remember the officer that was second in command to Lahad in the SLA, he disappeared 2 days before the liberation, he was passing info to the resistance. Karam was an implant, he passed false information about the resistance. I fault him for even meeting any Israel intelligence period. 

      1.  Avatar

        Aoun is a criminal, when you say his name its like you are talking about the next Messiah. 

        1.  Avatar

          Anti-Messiah, maybe ??

      2.  Avatar

        Aoun has always worked and will always work for HIMSELF only.

        hence Bassil’s comments reflecting Aoun’s thinking …”if the plan for electricity will not be passed, the govt will fall”…that certainly is not working for Lebanon.

        stop giving him excuses…it is pathetic!

    2.  Avatar

      Emile Lahhoud, Michel Aoun, Hassan Nasrallah and Nabeeh Birri should all go to jail for conspiring with foreign (Syrian and Iranian) forces against the Lebanese people.

    3.  Avatar

      Emile Lahhoud, Michel Aoun, Hassan Nasrallah and Nabeeh Birri should all go to jail for conspiring with foreign (Syrian and Iranian) forces against the Lebanese people.

      1. it seems that every one has their list and the list is allways missing a few names and really indicates that we are still trapped in our own reasoning  and missing the big picture.
          no doubt the devil wants all of us to stay distracted  from the real issue and that is how we can qualify to be in gods favor and kingdom.
        you will recall that when the devil tempted jesus on a  high cliff he pointed to pretty much the whole middle east and said i will give you  all theses kingdoms if you do an act of worship to me.
        the devil could not have offered it if he did not have control  and possesion of it.
        jesus on many occasions including this one indicated  that his kingdom  was no part of this world.
         as i said in previous comments what difference will any of this make 500 years from now.
        god is  not partial and does not operate as any of the lebanese warlords or followers but he is a god of justice and will not ovelook a single life taken in this civil war or any other
        i replied to your comment but i point out  to all  that there is an abundance of knowlage that we are simply not consuming   that clearly indicated that lebanon  and all other countries are simply a piece of real estate .used by the devil to keep our focus and attention away from  everlasting life and paradise with no flags or worldly leaders and lack of justice  for all humans that we see everyday.

        1.  Avatar

          How did this become a theological discussion is a question which needs Michel Aoun’s logic or lack of it to analyze.  I believe it is better described in the saying “Sho jaab tuz la mar7aba?”

        2.  Avatar

          and God have put the Jewish in exile and any one who will help Him to make them stay in exil will go to paradise,.Is that’s not beautyfull?

        3. leo welcome back you sick racist  twisted freak,lol i actually miss you and i am glad to see you again…. where do you go for 4 days at a time?

    4. PROPHET.T Avatar

      2160John,
      Instead of  creating  yet  another  divisive issue of  putting  those  people  in  jail for working with  Israel, I would  jail all Lebanese warlords for killing  200 thousand  Lebanese  ,for  destroying  everything that  made Lebanon   unique, and for  forcing  us all  to  leave Lebanon.
      Not  being a  supporter  of  any  political  party ,and not  defending any one, but  I  don’t think that  Aoun fits  the  same  description of Jumblat, Berri, Geagea, Gemayle, Hubeika, kleilat, and  many others( from  all  sects)  who  championed  all the civil  wars  of  the  79, 80.
      The man  has  his  flows, and has made  his  mistakes, but He is  not a  warlord, and  I’ve never  heard anyone  accusing  him  of  working with  Israel either. His  war  with  Geagea, as  horrible  as  it  was, it  was  forced on  him. He was the head of the national army; the other guy was a warlord. I do question his sanity and his decision making process sometimes, but not so much his intentions. I dislike his obsession with power, and arrogance ,which is typical of Most Army generals.

      1.  Avatar

        there was a picture few months back showed Aoun shaking hands with an israeli army officer….wake up from whatever you are in and smell the …flowers.

        if Aoun is not a warlord, what do you call the liberation war?…what purpose was it for?

        what do you call his totalitarian ways together is Bassil ‘ i am or no one”…

        hmph!

        1.  Avatar

          Photo Shop is a wonderful propaganda tool. Aoun was never a war lord, he commanded the Lebanese army that we all praise now. The army under his command had the same characteristic that we want our present army to have. He fought all the militias that you hate now. He tried to liberate Lebanon from the occupation that you supported then and you hate now. He was against the Taif accord that we are paying its price now. The Lebanese army never killed any innocent Lebanese based on their sect. It took most of the Lebanese militias, the Syrian army and its air force with the political support of the US and Europe to defeat the strong brave men up on the hills. 
          Having said all that, do I think he made mistakes? Yes, but that is Monday morning quarter backing. The new government came to power not to just hang out, it came to do what the Lebanese are in dire need of ELECTRICITY. Sirlanka has better electric generation than Lebanon does. So yes if he can’t get the electric issue, they should resign. 
          Can you tell us what the previous government (all 20 years of it) did to the electricity issue? NOTHING. Lebanon had better electric distribution 20 years ago than they have now. Yes Aoun should act totalitarian to get things done, by the way many other Lebanese parties support him except for the ones that want to use the money to fund the STL.

          1.  Avatar

            photoshop or not, i won’t be suprised if he did collaborate with the israelis to serve his interests then.

            -he helped divide the army

            -he left evrything even his family and ran away to france, saving his neck…funny though he dod not forget to take a lot….A LOT…of money from the govt before his “heroic” departure….el 7arami.

            -he fought the syrians and lead a war against the syrians, left the army under the syrians mercy and escaped….yet, he made a contract to life or death to be obedient to the syrians after his back in 2005…so much so for patriotism.

            -mistakes?….if he stopped making mistakes and amended his way poeple would have been more willing to listen to the maniac, but he has not stopped…and never will. the only reason he was back to lebanon after 2005 is to divide the christians and he had…with supporters who turn a blind eye to his “mistakes’ and give him excuses here and there under the pretext of lebanese christian salvation and lebanese patriotism… with the weakened role of the president with the formation of the current govt, the christian siuation is not better then before…but of course that does not matter…because Aoun is not the president, it is only Sulaiwoman.

            as for the electricity…..i have to remind you the 20 years you were talking about, the electricity administration was under the mercy of poeple who Aoun is allied with now…why are you or any other Aoun supporter parroting what Aoun Mps say without checking who were the ministers managing the electricity then?

            ba3den, why does Bassil not want any body to know how he is going to ‘make things better for the electricity”?…the other ministers have every right to know every step he has to do especially with the big amount of money he asked to get… and no whatever gibberish he had presented to the ministers was not enought because he still insist not to have any one monitoring his actions…have you asked why?…considering the past his father in law had with the govt before his runaway… it does not need a genius to guess what is he after.

            anyways, if he is going to ‘fix” the electricity in the same way he did with mobile phone lines….then God help the lebanese.

        2.  Avatar

          What are you talking about? He divided the army! The army was divided before he took it’s command. It was the Hariri clones that were paying for Khatib army, go read about it. 
          As for him leaving Lebanon in 1990, the decision was made to take east Beirut at any cost. Your Saudi and Hariri backers signed and paid for it. He accepted it to save the Christians, the Syrians and their Lebanese partners were given the green light to use their air force to demolish the E. Beirut. He saved Christian lives by accepting the cease fire term and left to fight another day for Lebanon. As my uncle told me that the army was running out of ammunition because the world was against them including their fellow Lebanese. 
          The Christians were united, as matter of fact the Aonist and LF supporters were protesting and getting jailed together. When Aoun came back he tried to amend fences with Geagea. He visited him in jail and demanded his release. That is when Hariri stepped and paid Geagea off again.

          The electricity issue must be fixed, Basil’s plan is the same plan that put forward by previous governments. If you ask 10 Lebanese of how they want things done you will get 11 answers. They must force it through with an oversight prevision of where the money is being spent. The only reason it’s getting rebuffed is because M8 might take credit for it and the farteen will feel left out. 

            

        3.  Avatar

          What are you talking about? He divided the army! The army was divided before he took it’s command. It was the Hariri clones that were paying for Khatib army, go read about it. 
          As for him leaving Lebanon in 1990, the decision was made to take east Beirut at any cost. Your Saudi and Hariri backers signed and paid for it. He accepted it to save the Christians, the Syrians and their Lebanese partners were given the green light to use their air force to demolish the E. Beirut. He saved Christian lives by accepting the cease fire term and left to fight another day for Lebanon. As my uncle told me that the army was running out of ammunition because the world was against them including their fellow Lebanese. 
          The Christians were united, as matter of fact the Aonist and LF supporters were protesting and getting jailed together. When Aoun came back he tried to amend fences with Geagea. He visited him in jail and demanded his release. That is when Hariri stepped and paid Geagea off again.

          The electricity issue must be fixed, Basil’s plan is the same plan that put forward by previous governments. If you ask 10 Lebanese of how they want things done you will get 11 answers. They must force it through with an oversight prevision of where the money is being spent. The only reason it’s getting rebuffed is because M8 might take credit for it and the farteen will feel left out. 

            

        4. A Maronite friend of mine who lives in Haifa said that the word on the street is that Aoun came here to negotiate receipt of weapons in 89/90 but it didn’t come to anything cause Israel found out that he was working for Syria.

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          you can shake hand and not made trahison .Where do you come from man?

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            would you have said the same thing during 2006 when Saniora accepted the visit of Condi?…..of course not….because of the side you support’s double standards

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        It surprises me that nobody points the finger at Yasser Arafat, Ahman Jubreel, Sala7 Khalaf and saa2ir al abawaat who kidnapped, maimed, innocent Lebanese and killed them once they found out they were Christians.  Many of my village people faced this end and Arafat himself proclaimed that the liberation of Palestine went through all the Christian villages and towns including Jounieh, not to forget Damour (al-mudammara, PLO — written on the plaque that names the town).  These terrorist Palestinians, along with the neo-terrorists of Hezbollah and their Christian supporters first before Shiite/Mtaawlé supporters, and the Syrian regime are the real criminals in Lebanon.  Stop blaming leaders and look at yourselves and the real criminals behinds the endless wars of Lebanon.  Talk is cheap especially from those who do not have a clue about what happened in Lebanon and continues to happen because they have sold their souls to the Syrian/Iranian Devil.

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      please stop with all this civil war stuff…while some were allowing the Palestinians to wipe their ass with our sovereignty others were willing to defend it. people are always saying this leader and that leader should all be jailed for the civil war crimes but none except one have spent any real time in jail. these Leaders are just as Lebanese as all the Lebanese men who fought along sectarian lines. every one of us is just as guilty of the crimes our sects have committed, so lets not get stuck on the past but rather lets stop today’s criminals!

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        i agree wholeheartedly with you but it seems the Aounist want to be stuck in the past for ever… they have nothing bight to praise Aoun after 2005 so they keep mentioning the war years…even if that isn’t a bright period in Aoun’s history anyway [he talked and propagated against syria which is good…then he started a war to have full power in lebanon…no good…then he ran away for france with stolen money…not good at all]…
        they still fall for his talks and do not make him accountable for his innaction on his words….they have the audacity to point the fingers at others who had a bad past agree but have mended their ways today and are trying to truely make a united lebanese country….

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          I couldn’t agree with you more!

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    Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    Working for any country that wishes to impose something on Lebanon from outside is bad. However, I would say two things on the subject. Firstly, Syria, Saudi and Iran have already done that so I really think that those people having a go at the West are big hypocrites. Secondly, Israel has shown that the fact that it is a democracy, caused soldier’s families to be able to protest and end any local desire to get involved on any other level beyond security.

    1. leobetapar Avatar

      a democratie like the USA in the 18th century with Amerindiens and Blacks seen as cattle is it that’s your democratie ?.The zioniaste state have no right to exist ,they have to go back in Europe and wait there the coming of the Messiah ,when the Messiah will came we will welcome them

  4. Working for any country that wishes to impose something on Lebanon from outside is bad. However, I would say two things on the subject. Firstly, Syria, Saudi and Iran have already done that so I really think that those people having a go at the West are big hypocrites. Secondly, Israel has shown that the fact that it is a democracy, caused soldier’s families to be able to protest and end any local desire to get involved on any other level beyond security.

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      a democratie like the USA in the 18th century with Amerindiens and Blacks seen as cattle is it that’s your democratie ?.The zioniaste state have no right to exist ,they have to go back in Europe and wait there the coming of the Messiah ,when the Messiah will came we will welcome them

  5. 5thDrawer Avatar

    Coming soon … heads on pike-poles stuck all around the palace … Vlad would be impressed.

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    Coming soon … heads on pike-poles stuck all around the palace … Vlad would be impressed.

  7. PROPHET.T Avatar

    Say Good bye to boredom, the entertainer Leo is back. I’ll sit on my beach chair and enjoy the show.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Good plan 🙂  Speaking of ‘beach’ … Seems there were 3 lovely ladies there yesterday … must have been the tourists. Interesting new Paris ‘bathing’ suits … I think …

      1. i dont believe you, can you email pix of the 3 ladies?:):):)

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          Well, to this request I must apologize … by the time I thought of a camera, three nymphs were out of sight and my tears had messed up the glasses … I cannot send images etched only in the mind. 😉

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Well, to this request I must apologize … by the time I thought of a camera, three nymphs were out of sight and my tears had messed up the glasses … I cannot send images etched only in the mind. 😉

  8. PROPHET.T Avatar

    Say Good bye to boredom, the entertainer Leo is back.

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      Good plan 🙂  Speaking of ‘beach’ … Seems there were 3 lovely ladies there yesterday … must have been the tourists. Interesting new Paris ‘bathing’ suits … I think …

      1. i dont believe you, can you email pix of the 3 ladies?:):):)

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          Well, to this request I must apologize … by the time I thought of a camera, three nymphs were out of sight and my tears had messed up the glasses … I cannot send images etched only in the mind. 😉

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