Bashar has to go: No Legitimacy for the Illegitimate

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by Ghassan Karam

One of the most popular expressions of the Lockian idea of “natural rights” can be seen in the preamble to the US declaration of independence written by Thomas Jefferson: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

The above simply means that it is not up to government to offer its populace personal rights since these are among the bundle of rights that cannot be alienated from the individual. No government can take away that which is embedded into citizens by virtue of birth and to act otherwise is a gross act of hubris and egregious exploitation. When the state adopts policies to take away from people part or all of their natural rights then the state is acting against the will of the governed whose welfare it is supposed to enhance. Such acts of diminution of the rights of citizens are best described as immoral, unethical, exploitative and constitute justifiable uprisings against the ruler whose acts have violated all accepted responsibilities of a governor.

Unfortunately, history is replete with states that have acted as authoritarian rulers, absolute monarchs, brutal dictators and autocrats. Yet the movement towards more democracy and responsible government got its biggest boost with the American and French revolutions of over 235 years ago. Many philosophers and political scientists have argued that the spread of democracy is probably the single best achievement of the 20th century. Alas this glorious trend was not able to find even a toe hold in the Arab world until the onset of the Arab Spring that started in Tunis, spread to Egypt, Libya and Yemen then Bahrain and Syria not to mention the defensive moves in Morocco, Jordan and possibly Iraq and Palestine.

Tunis and Egypt have already started the hard work of establishing working democracies as soon as their previously strong autocratic regimes collapsed, Yemen and Libya seem to be close to uprooting the dictatorial regimes of Qaddafi and Saleh while the Bahraini demand for reform appears to have been squashed by the Saudi monarchy with the acquiescence of the rest of the GCC. But besides Bahrain, the real paradox so far has been the courageous and popular Syrian uprising. It has been over 5 months since the people of Dara’a took to the streets to send a message to the Syrian Ba’ath that forty years of suppression, exploitation and expropriation of natural rights is enough. The spark of Dara’a spread like a wild fire to the suburbs of Damascus, to Homs , Hama and their environs, to Deir Ezorr, Jisr Alshughur, Banias and Latakia among other places. The civilian protestors were met in all cases with the full force of the Syrian army whose tanks have demolished many residential quarters and whose snipers and military have already killed over 2000 civilians; men women and children, not to mention the tens of thousands of injured and the over 10,000 rounded up for interrogation and torture. It is ironic that the same army that has failed to fire one bullet in almost forty years to liberate the Golan Heights was willing to butcher its own citizens in the name of resistance. As all this blatant brutality by the Syrian dictatorship was going on not one of the Arab governments issued as much as a statement of moral support to the insurgents when each of these regimes did not hesitate to support the Tunisian, Egyptian, Yemeni and Libyan uprisings. The deafening Arab silence was finally broken a fortnight ago when Saudi Arabia issued a statement asking the Syrian authorities to stop the bloodshed. This lukewarm support by Saudi Arabia was followed by expressions of support for the Syrian insurgents by other Arab governments and the Arab League but not by Lebanon. The West on the other hand has continued to pressure Syria to stop the killing through the Presidential Statements of the Security Council, through more severe economic sanctions and through an outright call for Mr. Assad to step down.

The official Lebanese position vis a vis the Syrian uprising will come back to haunt it but it was to be expected from a country whose President was unconstitutionally elected and who has often made it clear that his allegiance to Damascus is his priority. In addition to the above the current PM, Najib Mikati and his brother Taha, are known to have strong financial ties to the Syrian regime through Syriatel and Sami Makhlouf president Bashars’ cousin. Obviously no one needs to be reminded that Mr. Mikati is the symbolic head of a cabinet that came to power through the machinations of Hezbollah whose military and financial strength depend on smuggled missiles and other ammunition originating in Iran through Syria.

Despite all of this less than overwhelming support of the Arab regimes for the Syrian people in their greatest hour of need the Syrian Revolution is still gaining strength and the autocratic and brutal dictatorship led by Bashar Assad is struggling to find a way to survive by promising all sorts of reforms including a multiparty political system. How convenient to become a reformer when your survival depends on it, this is political expediency par excellence. Mr. Assad fails to understand that there is no such thing as legitimacy of the illegitimate. Dictatorships are often born in blood, fear, exploitation and usurpation of that which cannot be stolen since it is inalienable. Every single dictatorship will eventually end ignominiously simply because all are rooted in illegitimacy and sooner or later the people will lose the fear of the ruthless security machine that is set up to protect the dictator by pretending that the authoritarian regime knows best what is good for the multitudes when in effect all of the states’ acts are dedicated to the glory of the dictator and his entourage. Mr. Assad is not loosing legitimacy since he never had it to begin with and the governed have the legal right and the moral authority to establish a regime that respects their “natural rights”

It is a foregone conclusion that the Syrian uprising will eventually free itself from the inhumane grip of the Syrian Ba’ath but the price of that liberty is subject to the acts of Bashar Assad. He will either drag Syria into a Libyan style conflagration or he will decide that it is time for the Syrian people to rule themselves. Bashar Assad must go, all dictatorships must end and this is the time to end a forty years old cruel dictatorship.

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128 responses to “Bashar has to go: No Legitimacy for the Illegitimate”

  1. 100% correct…he must go and go now…I don’t see him and his entourage lasting beyond September 1…

  2. 100% correct…he must go and go now…I don’t see him and his entourage lasting beyond September 1…

  3. Patience2 Avatar
    Patience2

    Imagine a small mustache under the nose … this man is as ‘Hitler’ as you can get while being only a poor(but trying) copy of the original!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Actually, I think more similar to Stalin ….

      1. antar2011 Avatar
        antar2011

        stalin or hitler. it does not matter because both are from the same criminal academy.

  4.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Imagine a small mustache under the nose … this man is as ‘Hitler’ as you can get while being only a poor(but trying) copy of the original!

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Actually, I think more similar to Stalin ….

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        stalin or hitler. it does not matter because both are from the same criminal academy.

  5. 2160John Avatar

    You are not in a position of authority to decree who is legitimate or not. It is up to the Syrian people to decide and the majority support him even if it is by a little over 50%.

    Second, when we say we want to spread democracy around the world, we actually mean socialism. Democracy is leaning towards socialism and will turn into it eventually under the initial proposed plan of so called democracy. And don’t forget socialism is one step closer to communism.

    Under Obama’s leadership, more people have died in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan than Syrians under Assad. Why isn’t there an article denouncing Obama for continuing the foreign policy of Bush?? Under Obama, this so called democracy is turning into a socialist state.

    What a shame it is when America is really waking up yet we have foreigners who believe in the illusion of democracy spread by the West. Oh yes, we will vote justly for a president without election fraud. That’s democracy. Not knowing that practically all the candidates will be puppets of the World Bank, UN and IMF as well as other institutions and special interest groups. People that support the overthrowing of rulers that they have a personal distaste for are being nothing less than useful idiots for speading globalist socialism and financial hegemony of a country’s economy by the IMF and World Bank.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      We have seen the brainwashing in America which equated socialism with communism. And they are NOT the same … nor will people with a social conciousness necessarily allow communist dogma to consume them. Democratic thought will naturally bring people to consider social concepts of community help for people who need it, and why you fight against it may only be due to left-over McCathyism, and American ‘Big Business’ precepts – which state that the workers have no right to share in the profits of their work … except for paying virtually all of the taxes of a country.
        More people die every day in America, actually, than in Afganistan … but that’s neither here nor there, I suppose. 🙂
      What IS required is viable education … toward a goal of good societal conditions for ALL the people. So that the people WILL weed out those ‘special interest’ greedy and brainwashed ‘groups’ who  (one hates to use this word here because it’s a large part of all our problems)  BELIEVE that their own ‘rights’ are greater than anyone else’s.
        Do you remember that song? First line was:
      “Born Free. My Father’s a Doctor … ”  🙂
        Brainwashing brought us to believe a woman absolutely needed a doctor to give birth, right?  But the doctor is only there in case something goes wrong … good for ALL of society to have that ‘care’ available, I’m sure we could agree?  Midwives are almost equally effective. My own Grandmother gave birth to one of her children without help, tied and cut the cord, wrapped the baby in a blanket and went to sleep. A later visit by a doctor confirmed she did it right … and my uncle was healthy … naturally. The only thing socialist thinking advocates is that if she had had a problem which might have caused her and the baby’s death, and society had the means to help, it would have been good for ALL to allow help to be made available.
        Assuming, of course, that is ‘socially’ acceptable to you. Is it? Or is it only when your son is being born?
      Education will bring the concept of ‘care for humans’ closer to us.
        The ‘founding fathers’ had little idea of how their words could be warped by future ‘politicians’.
      Hmmmm … perhaps God has wondered how we ALL have warped His words so badly. But He gave us the freedom to figure it out ourselves. YOU have that natural ‘right’. Why shouldn’t other people? And, basically, THAT is democracy.
      If some bits don’t work well, EDUCATE !!

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      One thought, 2160. If 49% do not support him, you’re saying it’s ok for them to be killed?

      1. 2160John Avatar

        They can overthrow him peacefully like the Egyptians did. They don’t need Saudi money, US Special Forces and Al-Qaeda helping them to kill people and cause more conflict. The media not knowing who’s killing whom and then blaming all the deaths on Assad. I already stated earlier that the US government has dispatched JSOC units to Syria and Libya.

        In Libya, they are helping the rebels with advanced weapons and acting as millitary advisors. They are also overlooking the theft of Libya’s gold reserves and planning the taking over of the oil fields. They do not care if Arab or Jewish people die, they’re only after the money.

        1. Beiruti Avatar

          Are you stupid? The Syrians have been trying to overthrow him peacefully, tell me what happened in response to that? 2500+ killed. 

        2. Beiruti Avatar

          Are you stupid? The Syrians have been trying to overthrow him peacefully, tell me what happened in response to that? 2500+ killed. 

    3. Charlieladd Avatar
      Charlieladd

      Mr Karam is absolutely right. This man never had  legitimacy. He inherited his position. In the last  phony election he held, he supposedly  received more than 97% of the vote. Now you are saying he is supported by little over 50%. It looks like his support is ebbing away  pretty fast. Soon he will be as popular as that other fine tyrant in Tripoli whose “supporters” will soon celebrating his demise.

      As for your other criticisms of the west, no one is saying that western democracy is perfect, but that doesn’t mean we have to behave like or worse than the west. However, I would rather still live under such system where I am free to express my opinions even if I am wrong. Where I an live freely and I don’t have to look over my shoulder to see who is watching and listening to me. I can also at least tell a politician or a prime minister to their face what I think of them without being made to disappear.

      I can’t believe how any one can support someone who herds his people into stadiums, who snatches his citizens from their beds in the middle of the night never to heard from ever again, who allows sadistic torture and murder. I am sorry but I think you  must be out of your mind.

    4. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      Stop sidetracking from the issue and the Syrian people wanting democracy not just 10% of the population who are divided among Christians and Alwaites. The majority of the Syrian people are fed with their gov’t on sided policies. You people including HA and Iran still want to blame it on small number of insurgents who are fighting the regimes. You will pay dearly for siding with Bashar and the day will come when you bastards will be hanged by your testicles.

    5. john you are right that many of us do not have the decree or the legitimate authority to decide what is best for syria.
      but i does not cost anything to be nice or compassionate to the syrians suffering, it does not cost anything to sympathize with victims in bahrain, it does not cost anything to sympathize with victims in israel or in gaza.
       i am not accusing you of this but i read many comments on this site that paints a clear picture of callus towards anyone  but  their kind .
       i have read many of your comments and i love your sence of humor and i respect your serious side and your ability to leave one herd for another but  i really hope that you dont close your heart and your compassion for anyone  who is strugeling  with abusive dictators swinging a sword with their eyes closed.

      1. 2160John Avatar

        Thank you for the good comment geo metro.  I understood your point. Yes, I am a man of strong principles. I do not follow any ideology.

    6. Beiruti Avatar

      Difference is Obama didnt kill his own people, did he? Dont speak about Americas crimes in other countries. How about what Syria did to the Lebanese people? You seem to be alright with that, you probably wouldnt mind Syrian troops in our country still. I love how totally side tracked off the real issue by involving America into this.

      1. 2160John Avatar

        Obama did not personally order the deaths of thousands of people but he is continuing the foreign and domestic policies which allow it to happen.

        Hundreds of Pakistani and Afghanistani civilians including many children have died from illegal Predator drone strikes under Obama. The hit teams of the CIA and Xe Services are still allowed to assassinate people and make car bombs on the streets of Iraq and not to mention fund Al-Qaeda. JSOC units are sent to over 60 countries including Lybia and Syria where they are killing people from both the government and the rebels. Obama’s continuation of flu vaccines which have actually killed more people than terrorists. Hell, even bumble bee and wasp stings kill more Americans than terrorists do.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Actually, more commit suicide in their cars 🙂  But I think you have too many ‘conspirator’ theories going on there. America is a large mass of paranoia.
          Not that Lebanon or Jordan do not have many more …. of course. Bean-counters can use charts to ‘show’ anything …

        2. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Sorry,wrong POST. Look up my reply above.

        3. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Sorry,wrong POST. Look up my reply above.

        4. Beiruti Avatar

          The article is about Syria, not American crimes in other countries. You clearly cant support your argument about Syria, so you changed the subject 360 degrees. Once again dont reference American crimes in countries, without referencing Syrian crimes in Lebanon.

        5. Beiruti Avatar

          The article is about Syria, not American crimes in other countries. You clearly cant support your argument about Syria, so you changed the subject 360 degrees. Once again dont reference American crimes in countries, without referencing Syrian crimes in Lebanon.

        6. 2160John Avatar

          Beiruti,

          If the Syrians wanted to overthrow Bashar on their own then I would support them. But when the IMF and World Bank want to overthrow Bashar just because he is not following some of their policies then I’m against it.

          The US is talking with the Syrian oppossition and trying to get them to support a millitary strike against their government. On the most part they are refusing except for the Muslim Brotherhood. They did a deal with NATO that if Qaddafi or Bashar were to be overthrown with their help then NATO, EU and the US would support them to take power in the country.

          That’s what it is.

    7. master09 Avatar

      The Arabs killed more of thier own people than the entire west over the last 60 years.

      The Arab have been puppets of the world bank and other western roads since 1870 including the selling of thier own brothers for land and oil.

      If 50% support him where are these people, remember the news and tv is controlled by Assad if 50% where supporting him he would put them on TV EVERY DAY TO SHOW THE WORLD LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT ME, HOW MANY TIMES HAS HE DONE THIS ???? HOW MANY TIMES.

      Before America and EU came to Iraq or Afghan or where ever you want  
      Hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled the area, yet it is estimated that up to 182,000 were killed during the Anfal campaign. Many people consider the Anfal campaign an attempt at genocide.

      Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

      On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops invaded the country of Kuwait. The invasion was induced by oil and a large war debt that Iraq owed Kuwait. The six-week, Persian Gulf War pushed Iraqi troops out of Kuwait in 1991. As the Iraqi troops retreated, they were ordered to light oil wells on fire. Over 700 oil wells were lit, burning over one billion barrels of oil and releasing dangerous pollutants into the air. Oil pipelines were also opened, releasing 10 million barrels of oil into the Gulf and tainting many water sources. 

      Afghan ALquida see what they did.

      MANY more thousands have been killed by thier own ARAB LEADERS.

      Tell me what western country has killed thier own people.

      The west have killed .0000000001% of Arabs compared to the Arabs doing to thier OWN PEOPLE GO FIGURE………

      Arab Nazi propaganda crap……….. 

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        I hesitate to say anything about what century the thinking is from ….

        1. master09 Avatar

          I not sure what century im in, to know the thinking as well thats too much.  

    8. libnan1 Avatar

      Great analysis. This printing of $$ by Bernanki/Obama is devastating the currency and putting the US under the so called world order IMF. Obama is more dangerous to the US economy than any of the other dictators out there to their people. Yes he might not be killing his people directly but he is impoverishing the hard working people by lowering their buying power and raising their taxes to improve his constituency ranking exactly what Hariri did in Lebanon. Thanks to the gang of 60 in congress (Tea party) that stopped this madness.  

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        They made mistakes for sure. Personally, I still think they should have given every American over 18 One Million, with the necessary first instruction being “Pay off the mortgage. Buy a new economical car within 3 or 5 years. Put an education fund aside for your children’s education and your retirement. What’s left is yours to decide.”
          It would have been less expensive, and people might have been working. And it would have saved the ‘world bankers’ who believed Americans knew how to invest in their own home – without the greed of the very few who caused the problems getting in the way.

      2. 2160John Avatar

        Obama’s end goal is communism. Their ideal state is Communist China where the people will be like zombies that work long hours for low pay and obey everything the government says including the one child policy.

        1. Beiruti Avatar

          You seem really uneducated, from that comment i think im not gonna even bother responding to your future comments, all i have to about that idiotic comment is LOL.

        2. Beiruti Avatar

          You seem really uneducated, from that comment i think im not gonna even bother responding to your future comments, all i have to about that idiotic comment is LOL.

        3. libnan1 Avatar

          I hope we don’t get there, luckily we have congress to block some of the madness. I did not mind Obama at the beginning, I just hated his economic policies. He is not much different than Bush. Bush was spreading money to his constituents and now Obama is doing the same to his constituent. The only difference between them is who gets on his knees first. Nader would have been much better than either one.

  6.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    You are not in a position of authority to decree who is legitimate or not. It is up to the Syrian people to decide and the majority support him even if it is by a little over 50%.

    Second, when we say we want to spread democracy around the world, we actually mean socialism. Democracy is leaning towards socialism and will turn into it eventually under the initial proposed plan of so called democracy. And don’t forget socialism is one step closer to communism.

    Under Obama’s leadership, more people have died in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan than Syrians under Assad. Why isn’t there an article denouncing Obama for continuing the foreign policy of Bush?? Under Obama, this so called democracy is turning into a socialist state.

    What a shame it is when America is really waking up yet we have foreigners who believe in the illusion of democracy spread by the West. Oh yes, we will vote justly for a president without election fraud. That’s democracy. Not knowing that practically all the candidates will be puppets of the World Bank, UN and IMF as well as other institutions and special interest groups. People that support the overthrowing of rulers that they have a personal distaste for are being nothing less than useful idiots for speading globalist socialism and financial hegemony of a country’s economy by the IMF and World Bank.

  7.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    You are not in a position of authority to decree who is legitimate or not. It is up to the Syrian people to decide and the majority support him even if it is by a little over 50%.

    Second, when we say we want to spread democracy around the world, we actually mean socialism. Democracy is leaning towards socialism and will turn into it eventually under the initial proposed plan of so called democracy. And don’t forget socialism is one step closer to communism.

    Under Obama’s leadership, more people have died in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan than Syrians under Assad. Why isn’t there an article denouncing Obama for continuing the foreign policy of Bush?? Under Obama, this so called democracy is turning into a socialist state.

    What a shame it is when America is really waking up yet we have foreigners who believe in the illusion of democracy spread by the West. Oh yes, we will vote justly for a president without election fraud. That’s democracy. Not knowing that practically all the candidates will be puppets of the World Bank, UN and IMF as well as other institutions and special interest groups. People that support the overthrowing of rulers that they have a personal distaste for are being nothing less than useful idiots for speading globalist socialism and financial hegemony of a country’s economy by the IMF and World Bank.

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      We have seen the brainwashing in America which equated socialism with communism. And they are NOT the same … nor will people with a social conciousness necessarily allow communist dogma to consume them. Democratic thought will naturally bring people to consider social concepts of community help for people who need it, and why you fight against it may only be due to left-over McCathyism, and American ‘Big Business’ precepts – which state that the workers have no right to share in the profits of their work … except for paying virtually all of the taxes of a country.
        More people die every day in America, actually, than in Afganistan … but that’s neither here nor there, I suppose. 🙂
      What IS required is viable education … toward a goal of good societal conditions for ALL the people. So that the people WILL weed out those ‘special interest’ greedy and brainwashed ‘groups’ who  (one hates to use this word here because it’s a large part of all our problems)  BELIEVE that their own ‘rights’ are greater than anyone else’s.
        Do you remember that song? First line was:
      “Born Free. My Father’s a Doctor … ”  🙂
        Brainwashing brought us to believe a woman absolutely needed a doctor to give birth, right?  But the doctor is only there in case something goes wrong … good for ALL of society to have that ‘care’ available, I’m sure we could agree?  Midwives are equally effective. My own Grandmother gave birth to one of her children without help, tied and cut the cord, wrapped the baby in a blanket and went to sleep. A later visit by a doctor confirmed she did it right … and my uncle was healthy … naturally. The only thing socialist thinking advocates is that if she had had a problem which might have caused her and the baby’s death, and society had the means to help, it would have been good for ALL to allow help to be made available.
        Assuming, of course, that is ‘socially’ acceptable to you. Is it? Or is it only when your son is being born?
      Education will bring the concept of ‘care for humans’ closer to us.
        The ‘founding fathers’ had little idea of how their words could be warped by future ‘politicians’.
      Hmmmm … perhaps God has wondered how we ALL have warped His words so badly. But He gave us the freedom to figure it out ourselves. YOU have that natural ‘right’. Why shouldn’t other people? And, basically, THAT is democracy.
      If some bits don’t work well, EDUCATE !!

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      One thought, 2160. If 49% do not support him, you’re saying it’s ok for them to be killed?

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        They can overthrow him peacefully like the Egyptians did. They don’t need Saudi money, US Special Forces and Al-Qaeda helping them to kill people and cause more conflict. The media not knowing who’s killing whom and then blaming all the deaths on Assad. I already stated earlier that the US government has dispatched JSOC units to Syria and Libya.

        In Libya, they are helping the rebels with advanced weapons and acting as millitary advisors. They are also overlooking the theft of Libya’s gold reserves and planning the taking over of the oil fields. They do not care if Arab or Jewish people die, they’re only after the money.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Are you stupid? The Syrians have been trying to overthrow him peacefully, tell me what happened in response to that? 2500+ killed. 

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Are you stupid? The Syrians have been trying to overthrow him peacefully, tell me what happened in response to that? 2500+ killed. 

    3.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Mr Karam is absolutely right. This man never had  legitimacy. He inherited his position. In the last  phony election he held, he supposedly  received more than 97% of the vote. Now you are saying he is supported by little over 50%. It looks like his support is ebbing away  pretty fast. Soon he will be as popular as that other fine tyrant in Tripoli whose “supporters” will soon celebrating his demise.

      As for your other criticisms of the west, no one is saying that western democracy is perfect, but that doesn’t mean we have to behave like or worse than the west. However, I would rather still live under such system where I am free to express my opinions even if I am wrong. Where I an live freely and I don’t have to look over my shoulder to see who is watching and listening to me. I can also at least tell a politician or a prime minister to their face what I think of them without being made to disappear.

      I can’t believe how any one can support someone who herds his people into stadiums, who snatches his citizens from their beds in the middle of the night never to heard from ever again, who allows sadistic torture and murder. I am sorry but I think you  must be out of your mind.

    4.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Stop sidetracking from the issue and the Syrian people wanting democracy not just 10% of the population who are divided among Christians and Alwaites. The majority of the Syrian people are fed with their gov’t on sided policies. You people including HA and Iran still want to blame it on small number of insurgents who are fighting the regimes. You will pay dearly for siding with Bashar and the day will come when you bastards will be hanged by your testicles.

    5. john you are right that many of us do not have the decree or the legitimate authority to decide what is best for syria.
      but i does not cost anything to be nice or compassionate to the syrians suffering, it does not cost anything to sympathize with victims in bahrain, it does not cost anything to sympathize with victims in israel or in gaza.
       i am not accusing you of this but i read many comments on this site that paints a clear picture of callus towards anyone  but  their kind .
       i have read many of your comments and i love your sence of humor and i respect your serious side and your ability to leave one herd for another but  i really hope that you dont close your heart and your compassion for anyone  who is strugeling  with abusive dictators swinging a sword with their eyes closed.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Thank you for the good comment geo metro.  I understood your point. Yes, I am a man of strong principles. I do not follow any ideology.

    6. john you are right that many of us do not have the decree or the legitimate authority to decide what is best for syria.
      but i does not cost anything to be nice or compassionate to the syrians suffering, it does not cost anything to sympathize with victims in bahrain, it does not cost anything to sympathize with victims in israel or in gaza.
       i am not accusing you of this but i read many comments on this site that paints a clear picture of callus towards anyone  but  their kind .
       i have read many of your comments and i love your sence of humor and i respect your serious side and your ability to leave one herd for another but  i really hope that you dont close your heart and your compassion for anyone  who is strugeling  with abusive dictators swinging a sword with their eyes closed.

    7.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Difference is Obama didnt kill his own people, did he? Dont speak about Americas crimes in other countries. How about what Syria did to the Lebanese people? You seem to be alright with that, you probably wouldnt mind Syrian troops in our country still. I love how totally side tracked off the real issue by involving America into this.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Obama did not personally order the deaths of thousands of people but he is continuing the foreign and domestic policies which allow it to happen.

        Hundreds of Pakistani and Afghanistani civilians including many children have died from illegal Predator drone strikes under Obama. The hit teams of the CIA and Xe Services are still allowed to assassinate people and make car bombs on the streets of Iraq and not to mention fund Al-Qaeda. JSOC units are sent to over 60 countries including Lybia and Syria where they are killing people from both the government and the rebels. Obama’s continuation of flu vaccines which have actually killed more people than terrorists. Hell, even bumble bee and wasp stings kill more Americans than terrorists do.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Actually, more commit suicide in their cars 🙂  But I think you have too many ‘conspirator’ theories going on there. America is a large mass of paranoia.
          Not that Lebanon or Jordan do not have many more …. of course. Bean-counters can use chats to ‘show’ anything …

        2. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          2160 John,
          I never suggested that Young Arabs revolted against their dictators because of Obama, but what I was suggesting that  Obama’s election was  an  inspiration  to  many  people around the  world that change can  happen.  People sought change on their  own, and through a popular  revolt that  could have been  crushed immediately by  Arab armies had there been a republican  like  George  bush.
          I’m not  disputing  your opinion on the over  all Obama policies( I’ll leave that to another  post), but I’m saying that  Obama  warned Mubarak, Bin Ali, and their generals  not to  use  their  Armies  to  crush the  protests, just  like  Jimmy  Carter  warned the shah against  using  his  army against  to  crush the  Iranian evolution.
          As for HA, I agree that their success against Israel   gave  a boost  to the  Arab  public, and made  their  leaders  look impotent. But that  alone, was  not the  reason behind  these  revolts. It was the fact that people were fed up with  the criminal  dictators, and with  their  oppressive  policies.

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          Anonymous

          The article is about Syria, not American crimes in other countries. You clearly cant support your argument about Syria, so you changed the subject 360 degrees. Once again dont reference American crimes in countries, without referencing Syrian crimes in Lebanon.

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          Anonymous

          Beiruti,

          If the Syrians wanted to overthrow Bashar on their own then I would support them. But when the IMF and World Bank want to overthrow Bashar just because he is not following some of their policies then I’m against it.

          The US is talking with the Syrian oppossition and trying to get them to support a millitary strike against their government. On the most part they are refusing except for the Muslim Brotherhood. They did a deal with NATO that if Qaddafi or Bashar were to be overthrown with their help then NATO, EU and the US would support them to take power in the country.

          That’s what it is.

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          Anonymous

          Beiruti,

          If the Syrians wanted to overthrow Bashar on their own then I would support them. But when the IMF and World Bank want to overthrow Bashar just because he is not following some of their policies then I’m against it.

          The US is talking with the Syrian oppossition and trying to get them to support a millitary strike against their government. On the most part they are refusing except for the Muslim Brotherhood. They did a deal with NATO that if Qaddafi or Bashar were to be overthrown with their help then NATO, EU and the US would support them to take power in the country.

          That’s what it is.

    8.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      The Arabs killed more of thier own people than the entire west over the last 60 years.

      The Arab have been puppets of the world bank and other western roads since 1870 including the selling of thier own brothers for land and oil.

      If 50% support him where are these people, remember the news and tv is controlled by Assad if 50% where supporting him he would put them on TV EVERY DAY TO SHOW THE WORLD LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT ME, HOW MANY TIMES HAS HE DONE THIS ???? HOW MANY TIMES.

      Before America and EU came to Iraq or Afghan or where ever you want  
      Hundreds of thousands of Kurds fled the area, yet it is estimated that up to 182,000 were killed during the Anfal campaign. Many people consider the Anfal campaign an attempt at genocide.

      Beginning in the morning on March 16, 1988 and continuing all night, the Iraqis rained down volley after volley of bombs filled with a deadly mixture of mustard gas and nerve agents on Halabja. Immediate effects of the chemicals included blindness, vomiting, blisters, convulsions, and asphyxiation. Approximately 5,000 women, men, and children died within days of the attacks. Long-term effects included permanent blindness, cancer, and birth defects. An estimated 10,000 lived, but live daily with the disfigurement and sicknesses from the chemical weapons.

      On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops invaded the country of Kuwait. The invasion was induced by oil and a large war debt that Iraq owed Kuwait. The six-week, Persian Gulf War pushed Iraqi troops out of Kuwait in 1991. As the Iraqi troops retreated, they were ordered to light oil wells on fire. Over 700 oil wells were lit, burning over one billion barrels of oil and releasing dangerous pollutants into the air. Oil pipelines were also opened, releasing 10 million barrels of oil into the Gulf and tainting many water sources. 

      Afghan ALquida see what they did.

      MANY more thousands have been killed by thier own ARAB LEADERS.

      Tell me what western country has killed thier own people.

      The west have killed .0000000001% of Arabs compared to the Arabs doing to thier OWN PEOPLE GO FIGURE………

      Arab Nazi propaganda crap……….. 

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        Anonymous

        I hesitate to say anything about what century the thinking is from ….

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          Anonymous

          I not sure what century im in, to know the thinking as well thats too much.  

    9.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Great analysis. This printing of $$ by Bernanki/Obama is devastating the currency and putting the US under the so called world order IMF. Obama is more dangerous to the US economy than any of the other dictators out there to their people. Yes he might not be killing his people directly but he is impoverishing the hard working people by lowering their buying power and raising their taxes to improve his constituency ranking exactly what Hariri did in Lebanon. Thanks to the gang of 60 in congress (Tea party) that stopped this madness.  

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        Anonymous

        They made mistakes for sure. Personally, I still think they should have given every American over 18 One Million, with the necessary first instruction being “Pay off the mortgage. Buy a new economical car within 3 or 5 years. Put an education fund aside for your children’s education and your retirement. What’s left is yours to decide.”
          It would have been less expensive, and people might have been working. And it would have saved the ‘world bankers’ who believed Americans knew how to invest in their own home – without the greed.

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        Anonymous

        Obama’s end goal is communism. Their ideal state is Communist China where the people will be like zombies that work long hours for low pay and obey everything the government says including the one child policy.

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          Anonymous

          That is only Walmart Thinking. Not Obama’s … But I’ll post this again …

          We have seen the brainwashing in America which equated socialism with communism. And they are NOT the same … nor will people with a social conciousness necessarily allow communist dogma to consume them. Democratic thought will naturally bring people to consider social concepts of community help for people who need it, and why you fight against it may only be due to left-over McCathyism, and American ‘Big Business’ precepts – which state that the workers have no right to share in the profits of their work … except for paying virtually all of the taxes of a country.  More people die every day in America, actually, than in Afganistan … but that’s neither here nor there, I suppose. :-)What IS required is viable education … toward a goal of good societal conditions for ALL the people. So that the people WILL weed out those ‘special interest’ greedy and brainwashed ‘groups’ who  (one hates to use this word here because it’s a large part of all our problems)  BELIEVE that their own ‘rights’ are greater than anyone else’s.  Do you remember that song? First line was:”Born Free. My Father’s a Doctor … ”  🙂  Brainwashing brought us to believe a woman absolutely needed a doctor to give birth, right?  But the doctor is only there in case something goes wrong … good for ALL of society to have that ‘care’ available, I’m sure we could agree?  Midwives are almost equally effective. My own Grandmother gave birth to one of her children without help, tied and cut the cord, wrapped the baby in a blanket and went to sleep. A later visit by a doctor confirmed she did it right … and my uncle was healthy … naturally. The only thing socialist thinking advocates is that if she had had a problem which might have caused her and the baby’s death, and society had the means to help, it would have been good for ALL to allow help to be made available.  Assuming, of course, that is ‘socially’ acceptable to you. Is it? Or is it only when your son is being born?Education will bring the concept of ‘care for humans’ closer to us.  The ‘founding fathers’ had little idea of how their words could be warped by future ‘politicians’.Hmmmm … perhaps God has wondered how we ALL have warped His words so badly. But He gave us the freedom to figure it out ourselves. YOU have that natural ‘right’. Why shouldn’t other people? And, basically, THAT is democracy.If some bits don’t work well, EDUCATE !!

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          Anonymous

          You seem really uneducated, from that comment i think im not gonna even bother responding to your future comments, all i have to about that idiotic comment is LOL.

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          Anonymous

          I hope we don’t get there, luckily we have congress to block some of the madness. I did not mind Obama at the beginning, I just hated his economic policies. He is not much different than Bush. Bush was spreading money to his constituents and now Obama is doing the same to his constituent. The only difference between them is who gets on his knees first. Nader would have been much better than either one.

  8. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    Always the picture of the idiot who can’t hear.

    1. 2 satelite dishes and he cant hear, are you sure? here i thought those jack rabbit ears got hbo and mtv for free,lol

  9.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Always the picture of the idiot who can’t hear.

    1. 2 satelite dishes and he cant hear, are you sure? here i thought those jack rabbit ears got hbo and mtv for free,lol

    2. 2 satelite dishes and he cant hear, are you sure? here i thought those jack rabbit ears got hbo and mtv for free,lol

  10. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    Hmmmm .. sounds like Gadaffi’s son is asking for a cease-fire … sort of …

  11.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Hmmmm .. sounds like Gadaffi’s son is asking for a cease-fire …

  12. Sebouh80 Avatar

    Respectively, I have a different perspective than the analysis that you represented concerning the revolutions that unfolded the Arab world ever since the Tunisian uprising late last year.
    Now allow me to share my personnel assessment in regards to the Arab revolutions. The truth is that at first I was somehow hopeful or naive that these revolutions of the poor and the oppressed will eventually topple all the tyrannical regimes and create a new economic and political system based on egalitarian principles.
    What went wrong?
    Well shortly after Hosni Mubarak’s downfall in Egypt American and their Nato allies along with other Gulf reactionary regimes made every effort to keep the current status quo. This includes the ruling Military Juntas’s continuous grip on power and the preservation of the same economic system that only benefited the tiny ruling elites. The same happened in Tunesia after the forced departure of the Tunisian dictator Zein El Abidine Ben Ali and not forgetting the ongoing conflicts in Bahrain and Yemen.
    Make no Mistake: I have absolutely no sympathy towards all the dictators in Middle East, but what made matters worth in my opinion is the unprecidented media propagandas and the growing imperialist interventions on more than one front.
    Moreover, another weakness that became discernible among the opposition parties in countries like Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Bahrain and now Libya is the lack of coherent alternative plan to tackle the growing social, political and economical problems that has plagued the Arab people for decades.
    Finally, the question in regards to the legitamcy or illegitamcy of Syrian leader Bashar Al Assad would be left to the Syrian people to decide.

    Today Nato backed forces moved to Tripoli: What will replace the right-wing bourgeois Gaddafi regime is not “democracy”, but a reactionary stooge government completely dependent on the imperialist powers that waged war against Libya in order to turn the country once again into a semi-colony.
    The United States and the European powers cut their deals with Gaddafi over the past decade, as long as the ruler abandoned his radical and populist pretenses and made peace with the imperialism. But there was always an underlying concern that the interests of the giant oil companies were not really secure as long as Gaddafi remained in power.
    After the initial revolt in Benghazi in February where the western intelligence agencies, particularly the French, likely played a role the United States, France and Britain moved quickly to create an alternative regime and mobilize military forces agianst the existing government.
    While the supposed pretext for intervention was to save the Libyan people from bloodbath at the hands of Gaddafi, far more Libyans have been killed by NATO bombing  many of them conscripts in the military as well as hundreds, if not thousands of civilians.
    Libya has only 60 years of existance of a nation-state since it was created after World War 2 out of three provinces, ruled for centuries by the Ottoman Empire, then brutally oppressed for three decades by Italian colonialism, which slaughtered half the Libyan population.
    The US backed monarchy was overthrown in 1969 by radical Arab nationalist officers, headed by Gaddafi. For the next four decades, he maintained his control of Libya by balancing atop array of ethnic, tribal and religious groups, using the country’s oil wealth to buy off rivals and appease social grievances.
    The imperialist destruction of the Gadaffi regime sets the stage for an explosion of these underlying antagonisms, with horrific consequences for the people of Libya. It also threatens the transformation of Libyan territory into a base and launching pad for imperialist attacks on the popular movements in Tunisia, Egypt and throughtout North Africa and Middle East.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Well I think we will have to wait until the bean-counters finish to see really how many died.You might find it one of the ‘least-dead’ revolutions ever … but my feeling is that – as the Libyans asked for initially – no boots on the ground but their own was the best thing they ever asked for … and all the ‘imperialists’ did was level the playing field for them a little.
        First words out of the commander’s mouth last night for the TV coverage was ‘Thank You Nato’. Hard not to see the partying.
      So … we sit back and watch the evolution.

    2. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Sebouh,
                 No one has suggested that the “Arab Spring” is a silver bullet solution to what ails the ME . One thing is clear, though, Tunis, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and hopefully Syria will be better off without their respective dictators. Where are these uprisings going to ultimately lead is not clear yet but at least the future will not be shaped only to benefit the autocrats’ family.
                 The Syrian people have demonstrated to the world what they think of the Ba’ath. That should end the discusion of whether the regime is legitimate or not

      1. 2160John Avatar

        Didn’t we forget Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. Or are they not on your list…

      2. 2160John Avatar

        Didn’t we forget Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. Or are they not on your list…

    3. Bravo Sebouh,

      This is an excellent masterfull, response, driven by logical reasoning. 

    4. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Well then, launch us into that ‘western world’, baby, because after 4000 years in the ‘east’ it’s not going as well as in their 400.

  13.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Respectively, I have a different perspective than the analysis that you represented concerning the revolutions that unfolded the Arab world ever since the Tunisian uprising late last year.
    Now allow me to share my personnel assessment in regards to the Arab revolutions. The truth is that at first I was somehow hopeful or naive that these revolutions of the poor and the oppressed will eventually topple all the tyrannical regimes and create a new economic and political system based on egalitarian principles.
    What went wrong?
    Well shortly after Hosni Mubarak’s downfall in Egypt American and their Nato allies along with other Gulf reactionary regimes made every effort to keep the current status quo. This includes the ruling Military Juntas’s continuous grip on power and the preservation of the same economic system that only benefited the tiny ruling elites. The same happened in Tunesia after the forced departure of the Tunisian dictator Zein El Abidine Ben Ali and not forgetting the ongoing conflicts in Bahrain and Yemen.
    Make no Mistake: I have absolutely no sympathy towards all the dictators in Middle East, but what made matters worth in my opinion is the unprecidented media propagandas and the growing imperialist interventions on more than one front.
    Moreover, another weakness that became discernible among the opposition parties in countries like Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Yemen, Bahrain and now Libya is the lack of coherent alternative plan to tackle the growing social, political and economical problems that has plagued the Arab people for decades.
    Finally, the question in regards to the legitamcy or illegitamcy of Syrian leader Bashar Al Assad would be left to the Syrian people to decide.

    Today Nato backed forces moved to Tripoli: What will replace the right-wing bourgeois Gaddafi regime is not “democracy”, but a reactionary stooge government completely dependent on the imperialist powers that waged war against Libya in order to turn the country once again into a semi-colony.
    The United States and the European powers cut their deals with Gaddafi over the past decade, as long as the ruler abandoned his radical and populist pretenses and made peace with the imperialism. But there was always an underlying concern that the interests of the giant oil companies were not really secure as long as Gaddafi remained in power.
    After the initial revolt in Benghazi in February where the western intelligence agencies, particularly the French, likely played a role the United States, France and Britain moved quickly to create an alternative regime and mobilize military forces agianst the existing government.
    While the supposed pretext for intervention was to save the Libyan people from bloodbath at the hands of Gaddafi, far more Libyans have been killed by NATO bombing  many of them conscripts in the military as well as hundreds, if not thousands of civilians.
    Libya has only 60 years of existance of a nation-state since it was created after World War 2 out of three provinces, ruled for centuries by the Ottoman Empire, then brutally oppressed for three decades by Italian colonialism, which slaughtered half the Libyan population.
    The US backed monarchy was overthrown in 1969 by radical Arab nationalist officers, headed by Gaddafi. For the next four decades, he maintained his control of Libya by balancing atop array of ethnic, tribal and religious groups, using the country’s oil wealth to buy off rivals and appease social grievances.
    The imperialist destruction of the Gadaffi regime sets the stage for an explosion of these underlying antagonisms, with horrific consequences for the people of Libya. It also threatens the transformation of Libyan territory into a base and launching pad for imperialist attacks on the popular movements in Tunisia, Egypt and throughtout North Africa and Middle East.

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Well I think we will have to wait until the bean-counters finish to see really how many died.You might find it one of the ‘least-dead’ revolutions ever … but my feeling is that – as the Libyans asked for initially – no boots on the ground but their own was the best thing they ever asked for … and all the ‘imperialists’ did was level the playing field for them a little.
        First words out of the commander’s mouth last night for the TV coverage was ‘Thank You Nato’. Hard not to see the partying.
      So … we sit back and watch the evolution.

    2. Sebouh,
                 No one has suggested that the “Arab Spring” is a silver bullet solution to what ails the ME . One thing is clear, though, Tunis, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and hopefully Syria will be better off without their respective dictators. Where are these uprisings going to ultimately lead is not clear yet but at least the future will not be shaped only to benefit the autocrats’ family.
                 The Syrian people have demonstrated to the world what they think of the Ba’ath. That should end the discusion of whether the regime is legitimate or not

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Didn’t we forget Saudi Arabia and Bahrain. Or are they not on your list…

    3. Bravo Sebouh,

      This is an excellent masterfull, response, driven by logical reasoning. 

    4.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Well then, launch us into that ‘western world’, baby, because after 4000 years in the ‘east’ it’s not going as well as in their 400.

  14. FadiAbboud Avatar
    FadiAbboud

    You have every right to speak your mind and speak out again this Illegitimate regime. Unlike Syria,the citizens of the USA have a right to speak their mind and for those who do not like it, they can go back and live in Syria/Iran.

  15.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    You have every right to speak your mind and speak out again this Illegitimate regime. Unlike Syria,the citizens of the USA have a right to speak their mind and for those who do not like it, they can go back and live in Syria/Iran.

  16. leobetapar Avatar
    leobetapar

    take your Locke and your Hobbes to arabia ahl shitty and you will see what will happen to you>You think what?it’s not joke it’s war Assad will never go and the Salafiste will ever loose

  17.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    take your Locke and your Hobbes to arabia ahl shitty and you will see what will happen to you>You think what?it’s not joke it’s war Assad will never go and the Salafiste will ever loose

  18. Darw101 Avatar

    These types of dictators like Assad,Gadhafi,Hussein and others that are mentioned must be ousted by force, there is no other way…the problem in Syria is that there is no military presence in the opposition that can counter the regime, thus a Lybian style insurgency is unlikely.. Assad’s back is against the wall and unless his foot soldiers abandon him, it looks like NATO may have to intervene to force him out…however, unless Russia and China (and to a certain extent Turkey) buy into it, it may be a long while before it does happen. All Bashar can do now is buy time and not much else!  

  19.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    These types of dictators like Assad,Gadhafi,Hussein and others that are mentioned must be ousted by force, there is no other way…the problem in Syria is that there is no military presence in the opposition that can counter the regime, thus a Lybian style insurgency is unlikely.. Assad’s back is against the wall and unless his foot soldiers abandon him, it looks like NATO may have to intervene to force him out…however, unless Russia and China (and to a certain extent Turkey) buy into it, it may be a long while before it does happen. All Bashar can do now is buy time and not much else!  

  20. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Ghassan,
    A Year ago;You wondered with frustration, on what it would take for young Arabs to get fed up and Say ;enough is enough with Arab dictators and monarchies. Few month ago, we watched how Mubarak and Bin Ali, folded, and now we‘re witnessing Ghadafi end, and soon Saleh will follow. Mubarak’s picture behind Bars does not look appealing to other dictators, so they will fight harder to stay in power.
    As for Syria, we all knew it is more ripe than others, and that it might be more costly( as we are seeing) than the rest of the Arab states , because of the Baath party and its domination of state institutions(similar to Iraq’s Baath party ) including , its army and security apparatus.
    I’m not sure Assad will be toppled that soon, but I’m sure of one thing ; that this awakening among Arab people, and especially the young ones, can never be suppressed forever. . Assad might be able to crush his people for a while, but He can never rule them for ever.
    I don’t know if your issue of legitimacy is even relevant at all. Many legitimate governments get toppled by demonstrations and other means. Rulers can be ousted whether they are legitimate or not.
    This Arab movement will take a good five years before it can do away with all Arab dictators, and no matter who takes over in Syria or Lydia, changes will take place. Democracy may not be perfect, but the people of those countries can only be better off.
    I can sit and criticize, rightly so, the west and the united states on their policies on democracy and human rights in the middle east ,and on their double standard and their support of these monarchies and dictatorships, but I will have the courage and say( knowing I’d have to dodge many bullets )this; If it was not for the fact that Obama was elected a president , and if it was not for his opposition to Mubark and Bin Ali using their armies to crush their people, we would have never witnessed Mubark and Bin Ali being toppled.
    Young Arabs watched Obama ,being the first black president, being elected in the most powerful country on earth, and said to themselves, if America “ the imperialist” can elect a liberal black president, we deserve better than dictators and kings.
    Had the white house been occupied by a republican, We would be having a totally different discussion now.
    Many people credit the success of the Iranian revolution to the fact that it was a democrat ,and in particular Jimmy Carter, in office who opposed the shah’s use of his army. This is as academic as any other event in history.

    1. 2160John Avatar

      They did not start the revolutions because of Obama. Obama is just a black man with a smile that continues the same policies of Bush and even added a few worse ones. He is being controlled by his Wall Street/Federal Reserve and CIA power circle.

      Arab spring happend as a result of Arabs being fed up of the criminal leaders. Hezbollah’s victory over Israel gave the Arabs a boost of confidence and made them realize that anything is possible. They went from being in total apathy to being in anger about the leadership. They realized that if Hezbollah can defeat the IDF and resist tyranny then we can too. A special program was even established to study Hezbollah’s effectiveness by the US millitary.

      1. libnan1 Avatar

        Yes it did. Like HA or not, no one can take away their bravery and organization. They have some bright military commanders.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          And In a democracy, it is the people who hold the reins on their militaristic-minded – for the good of everyone – for protection. PROTECTION.

    2. 2160John Avatar

      They did not start the revolutions because of Obama. Obama is just a black man with a smile that continues the same policies of Bush and even added a few worse ones. He is being controlled by his Wall Street/Federal Reserve and CIA power circle.

      Arab spring happend as a result of Arabs being fed up of the criminal leaders. Hezbollah’s victory over Israel gave the Arabs a boost of confidence and made them realize that anything is possible. They went from being in total apathy to being in anger about the leadership. They realized that if Hezbollah can defeat the IDF and resist tyranny then we can too. A special program was even established to study Hezbollah’s effectiveness by the US millitary.

      1. libnan1 Avatar

        Yes it did. Like HA or not, no one can take away their bravery and organization. They have some bright military commanders.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          And In a democracy, it is the people who hold the reins on their militaristic-minded – for the good of everyone – for protection. PROTECTION.

    3. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Prophet,
                 Thank you for remembering that I have been wondering when we would have a Gdansk moment and when our “Berlin wall” will fall. I was ecstatic when Tunis started this current democratic movement to the extent that , if you remember, I called 2011 the “annus mirabilis” of the Arab world.
                Legitimacy is a big issue, to my mind it is the only issue. In a democracy there is no need for a violent uprising since every few years the populace gets a chance to judge the performance of its elected officials. But a dictatorship is created by violating the natural rights of the citizenry. It could claim some form of legitimacy if the dictator is charismatic as Max Weber has always argued. But when the ruler does not have the consent of the governed then it immediately becomes an illegitimate regime. The Syrian Ba’ath has never stoipped talking about its legitimacy especially due to the sgham elections where no one is allowed to oppose the single party candidate and the West also took over five months to declare the regime illegitimate. The Syrian masses have done so over five months ago, as soon as they lost their fear of the security apparatus and when the UNSC passed its resolution against Qaddafi. That was almost the day to the minute that Syrians regained their self confidence and decided to go out to the street. They have known for decades that the emperor had no cloths but they were afraid to say that.
               Even if Bashar manages to cling to power the Baath has already lost and every day that passes by will make their losses even greater. Syria is about to experience freedom and we ought to celebrate that.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Ghassan,
        I’m curious to know if you mean to say that , only democratically elected leaders are the legitimate ones .
        I’m reluctant to get too deep into this topic because I might loose my way out of it.
        Many forms of governments, leaderships, and monarchies are considered by international standard ,and by their own laws , to be legitimate (until few month ago, Ghadafi was an oppressive dictator, and a “legitimate” ruler, so was Bin Ali an Mubarak and Assad….),yet their legality does not make them immune in the eye of their people ,and therefore is not an excuse for them to stay in power?
        This can be related to the concept of ”law” and “rule of law” of a particular country ,and how it should be respected as a law(king, inherited leadership..) that we don’t like .lol.
        No one in the international community considers the house of Saud illegitimate rulers, yet we know that they are oppressive dictators. Are they illegitimate in the eyes of their people? Or when do they become illegitimate in the eyes of their people or in the eyes of the international community?what and who determine legitimacy in this case?
        I hope this would clarify what I said about the irrelevance of the legitimacy of those leaders.If a leader becomes unacceptable by his own people , He/She has to go.If elected , the people need to hold him accountable,and vote him out of office, otherwise He needs to be removed by his own people regardless of his legitimacy or legality. “Legitimacy” being a tricky and vague term, can not be the main reason a leader should be removed or not, by his own people.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Prophet T … Let us assume if a ‘Leader’ is good and looks after the people, no matter which system, he may continue to lead, and will have the respect he deserves from that. There have been a few good Kings or benevolent dictators in history. Along with advisors, they create societal rules good for all. (Law) And the average-type human goes along with it.
            Unfortunately, as the crowd becomes bigger, some others are born who think they should be the ‘leaders’ … and so … conflicts. In a democracy, that new person needs to work him/herself up until people begin to recognize that there could maybe be another good leader … with perhaps more benefits to the masses. There is a need to show they could do it.
           In other systems, we can assume few like to give up their place as leaders. If they are good, the people wait for them to die. In a despotic system, usually an on-going dictatorship which only made ‘law’ to control the people, not help them, the only recourse for new leadership is a coup, or war, or assassination. Not all are as ruthless as we see in Syria, or as was under Stalin in Russia, yet ‘control’ is built into ALL their laws for only one reason – to protect the Glorious Leader.
            A large part of control is in keeping the masses ignorant. It takes time to educate them … but sometimes, when they get enough education … they see what must be done.
            There might be a problem with education, however, when some minds stop developing at the moment they get a bad idea. Those are the ones ‘the people’ make the laws for … 🙂

        2. Ghassan Karam Avatar
          Ghassan Karam

          Prophet,
                     You are right, this is not the forum for a lengthy discussion of this issue but let me say that I was careful not to claim that legitimacy is the monopoly of democratic governments, although I lean in that direction. That was the reason I made the reference to Max Weber. The consent of the governed is the crucial determining factor. That is why all democratically elected governments are legitimate , as corrupt and inefficient that they might be, provided that the elections were free and not rigged. But that is also why a charismatic dictator can be legitimate at times. But I would argue that free individuals would not consent to have their rights violated by a ruler and so they normally would not give their consent.

          1. PROPHET.T Avatar
            PROPHET.T

            Thank you,Ghassan,Fair enough,before I get lost between the legality and the legitimacy of a ruler.lol

    4. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Prophet,
                 Thank you for remembering that I have been wondering when we would have a Gdansk moment and when our “Berlin wall” will fall. I was ecstatic when Tunis started this current democratic movement to the extent that , if you remember, I called 2011 the “annus mirabilis” of the Arab world.
                Legitimacy is a big issue, to my mind it is the only issue. In a democracy there is no need for a violent uprising since every few years the populace gets a chance to judge the performance of its elected officials. But a dictatorship is created by violating the natural rights of the citizenry. It could claim some form of legitimacy if the dictator is charismatic as Max Weber has always argued. But when the ruler does not have the consent of the governed then it immediately becomes an illegitimate regime. The Syrian Ba’ath has never stoipped talking about its legitimacy especially due to the sgham elections where no one is allowed to oppose the single party candidate and the West also took over five months to declare the regime illegitimate. The Syrian masses have done so over five months ago, as soon as they lost their fear of the security apparatus and when the UNSC passed its resolution against Qaddafi. That was almost the day to the minute that Syrians regained their self confidence and decided to go out to the street. They have known for decades that the emperor had no cloths but they were afraid to say that.
               Even if Bashar manages to cling to power the Baath has already lost and every day that passes by will make their losses even greater. Syria is about to experience freedom and we ought to celebrate that.

  21. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

     Ghassan,A  Year  ago, You  wondered  with  frustration  on  when  will  Arab people  say  enough  is  enough with  Arab dictators and monarchies. Few month ago, we watched how Mubarak and Bin Ali, folded, and now we‘re witnessing Ghadafi   end, and soon Saleh will follow. Mubarak’s picture behind Bars does  not  look appealing to  other   dictators, so  they will fight  harder to  stay in  power.
    As for Syria, we  all knew  it is more  ripe than others, and that it   might  be  more  costly( as  we  are  seeing)  than  the rest  of the  Arab  states ,  because of the  Baath party and  its  domination of state  institutions(similar  to  Iraq’s  Baath  party ) including , its  army and  security apparatus.
    I’m  not  sure Assad  will  be toppled  that  soon, but I’m sure of one thing ; that this awakening among Arab people, and especially the young ones, can never be suppressed forever. . Assad might be able to crush his people for a while, but He can never rule them for ever.
    I don’t know if your issue of legitimacy is even relevant at all. Many legitimate governments get toppled by demonstrations and other means. Rulers can be  ousted whether they  are  legitimate  or  not.
     This Arab movement  will take a good five  years  before it  do away with  all Arab dictators, and  no matter  who  takes  over in  Syria  or  Lydia, changes will take  place. Democracy may not be perfect, but the people of those countries   can only be better off.
    I can  sit  and criticize, rightly  so, the  west  and  the united states  on  their policies on  democracy and  human  rights in  the  middle east ,and on their double  standard  and their  support  of these  monarchies and  dictatorships, but I will have the  courage  and  say( knowing I’d have to  dodge  many  bullets )this; If  it was  not  for  the fact that  Obama was elected a  president , and if it  was not  for  his opposition  to Mubark and Bin Ali using their  armies to crush  their people, we  would have never  witnessed  Mubark and Bin Ali being  toppled.
    Young Arabs  watched  Obama ,being the  first  black president, being  elected  in the  most  powerful country  on  earth, and said to themselves, if America  can have  a black president, we  deserve  better than  dictators and  kings.  
    Had the white  house  been occupied  by a republican, We  would  be  having  a totally  different  discussion  now.
    Many  people  credit the  success  of the Iranian  revolution to  the  fact  that  it was a democrat ,and in particular Jimmy Carter, in office who  opposed  the  shah’s  use of  his   army. This   is as academic as any other event   in history.

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      Anonymous

      They did not start the revolutions because of Obama. Obama is just a black man with a smile that continues the same policies of Bush and even added a few worse ones. He is being controlled by his Wall Street/Federal Reserve and CIA power circle.

      Arab spring happend as a result of Arabs being fed up of the criminal leaders. Hezbollah’s victory over Israel gave the Arabs a boost of confidence and made them realize that anything is possible. They went from being in total apathy to being in anger about the leadership. They realized that if Hezbollah can defeat the IDF and resist tyranny then we can too. A special program was even established to study Hezbollah’s effectiveness by the US millitary.

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        Anonymous

        Yes it did. Like HA or not, no one can take away their bravery and organization. They have some bright military commanders.

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          Anonymous

          And In a democracy, it is the people who hold the reins on their militaristic-minded – for the good of everyone – for protection. PROTECTION.

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        Anonymous

        Yes it did. Like HA or not, no one can take away their bravery and organization. They have some bright military commanders.

    2. Prophet,
                 Thank you for remembering that I have been wondering when we would have a Gdansk moment and when our “Berlin wall” will fall. I was ecstatic when Tunis started this current democratic movement to the extent that , if you remember, I called 2011 the “annus mirabilis” of the Arab world.
                Legitimacy is a big issue, to my mind it is the only issue. In a democracy there is no need for a violent uprising since every few years the populace gets a chance to judge the performance of its elected officials. But a dictatorship is created by violating the natural rights of the citizenry. It could claim some form of legitimacy if the dictator is charismatic as Max Weber has always argued. But when the ruler does not have the consent of the governed then it immediately becomes an illegitimate regime. The Syrian Ba’ath has never stoipped talking about its legitimacy especially due to the sgham elections where no one is allowed to oppose the single party candidate and the West also took over five months to declare the regime illegitimate. The Syrian masses have done so over five months ago, as soon as they lost their fear of the security apparatus and when the UNSC passed its resolution against Qaddafi. That was almost the day to the minute that Syrians regained their self confidence and decided to go out to the street. They have known for decades that the emperor had no cloths but they were afraid to say that.
               Even if Bashar manages to cling to power the Baath has already lost and every day that passes by will make their losses even greater. Syria is about to experience freedom and we ought to celebrate that.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Ghassan,
        I’m  curious to know if you  mean  to  say that , only  democratically  elected  leaders  are the legitimate ones or  not.
         I’m reluctant to get  too deep into  this topic  because I might  loose my way  out of  it.
        Many  forms  of  governments and  leaderships are  considered  by international  standard  to  be  legitimate (until few month ago, Ghadafi  was  a  dictator, and a “legitimate” leader, so was Bin Ali….)
        Monarchies are supposed to be “legitimate” rulers, yet they can be dictators at the same time. So  their  “legitimacy”   should not  and  can  not  be  used  as an excuse  to  stay in  power.
         This  can be  related to  the  concept  of ”law” and “rule of  law” of a particular country ,and how it  should  be  respected  as a law(king, inherited  leadership..) that  we don’t  like .lol.
        No one in the international community   considers the house of Saud illegitimate rulers, yet we know that they are oppressive dictators.

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          Anonymous

          Prophet T … Let us assume if a ‘Leader’ is good and looks after the people, no matter which system, he may continue to lead, and will have the respect he deserves from that. There have been a few Kings or benevolent dictators in history. Along with advisors, they create societal rules good for all. (Law) And the average-type human goes along with it.
            Unfortunately, as the crowd becomes bigger, some others are born who think they should be the ‘leaders’ … and so … conflicts. In a democracy, that new person needs to work him/herself up until people begin to recognize that there could maybe be another good leader … with perhaps more benefits to the masses. There is a need to show they could do it.
           In other systems, we can assume few like to give up their place as leaders. If they are good, the people wait for them to die. In a despotic system, usually an on-going dictatorship which only made ‘law’ to control the people, not help them, the only recourse for new leadership is a coup, or war, or assassination. Not all are as ruthless as we see in Syria, or as was under Stalin in Russia, yet ‘control’ is built into ALL their laws for only one reason – to protect the Glorious Leader.
            A large part of control is in keeping the masses ignorant. It takes time to educate them … but sometimes, when they get enough education … they see what must be done.
            There might be a problem with education, however, when some minds stop developing at the moment they get a bad idea. Those are the ones ‘the people’ make the laws for … 🙂

        2. Prophet,
                     You are right, this is not the forum for a lengthy discussion of this issue but let me say that I was careful not to claim that legitimacy is the monopoly of democratic governments, although I lean in that direction. That was the reason I made the reference to Max Weber. The consent of the governed is the crucial determining factor. That is why all democratically elected governments are legitimate , as corrupt and inefficient that they might be, provided that the elections were free and not rigged. But that is also why a charismatic dictator can be legitimate at times. But I would argue that free individuals would not consent to have their rights violated by a ruler and so they normally would not give their consent.

          1. PROPHET.T Avatar
            PROPHET.T

            Thank you,Ghassan,Fair enough,before I get lost between the legality and the legitimacy of a ruler.lol

  22. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    2160 John,
    I never suggested that Young Arabs revolted against their dictators because of Obama, but what I was suggesting is that, Obama’s election was  an  inspiration  to  many  people around the  world that change can  happen.  People sought change on their  own, and through a popular  revolt that  could have been  crushed immediately by  Arab armies had there been a republican  like  George  bush at the white house
    I’m not disputing  your crtical views of Obama’s policies( I’ll leave that to another  post), but I’m saying that  Obama  warned Mubarak, Bin Ali, and their generals  not to  use  their  Armies  to  crush the  protests, just  like  Jimmy  Carter  warned the sha hand his genarals against  using  his  army to  crush the  Iranian revolution.
    As for HA, I agree that their success against Israel   gave  a boost  to the  Arab  public, and made  their  leaders  look impotent. But that  alone, was  not the  reason behind  these  revolts. It was the fact that people were fed up with  the criminal  dictators, and with  their  oppressive  policies.

    1. 2160John Avatar

      I got it, so their was many contributing factors but I was going over the main one which caused the spark.

      Anyway, it is good to see you back. You are one of the most sane and intelligent people who comment on this site.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        2160John,
        Thank you ….Good to see you too. I’ll let you in on a little secret though; I try to maintain my sanity by keeping my distance from other sane  people.lol

  23. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    2160 John, I POSTED MY  REPLY  IN  WRONG  PLACE EARLIER,
    I never suggested that Young Arabs revolted against their dictators because of Obama, but what I was suggesting is that, Obama’s election was  an  inspiration  to  many  people around the  world that change can  happen.  People sought change on their  own, and through a popular  revolt that  could have been  crushed immediately by  Arab armies had there been a republican  like  George  bush.
    I’m not  disputing  your opinion on the over  all Obama policies( I’ll leave that to another  post), but I’m saying that  Obama  warned Mubarak, Bin Ali, and their generals  not to  use  their  Armies  to  crush the  protests, just  like  Jimmy  Carter  warned the shah against  using  his  army against  to  crush the  Iranian evolution.
    As for HA, I agree that their success against Israel   gave  a boost  to the  Arab  public, and made  their  leaders  look impotent. But that  alone, was  not the  reason behind  these  revolts. It was the fact that people were fed up with  the criminal  dictators, and with  their  oppressive  policies.

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      Anonymous

      I got it, so their was many contributing factors but I was going over the main one which caused the spark.

      Anyway, it is good to see you back. You are one of the most sane and intelligent people who comment on this site.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        2160John,
        Thank you ….Good to see you too. I’ll let you in on a little secret;I maintain my sanity by keeping my distance  from other insane  people.lol

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      Anonymous

      I got it, so their was many contributing factors but I was going over the main one which caused the spark.

      Anyway, it is good to see you back. You are one of the most sane and intelligent people who comment on this site.

  24. IN THE LEBANESE FORCES FORUM…Congratulations Cedars (moderator of the Lebanese Forces Forum)and SamaRATina/Kataeb Babe (Samaritana)  for coming out of the closet and bravely showing Your sexual orientation in a Gay Parade in Israel,  You both make a great team,  Cedars protecting Your Girlfriend SamaRATina,  And SamaRATina the dominatrix of Sodom and Gomorrah, making You happy with lust and degeneration.

    Is so nice to see how You Cedars allow SamaRATina to insult other members and ban all those who defend against those insults,  SInce Your corruption and lack of dignity puts You as a servant of a Jew.

    You can go back to Israhell and mistreat Christians so You can satisfy Your masters.
    You Can Ban Me But You can hide the truth You bastard!!  Besides You are a coward and a fagot!!!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Is that some kind of ‘religious’ ranting? Or only a life-style preference?

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    Anonymous

    IN THE LEBANESE FORCES FORUM…Congratulations Cedars (moderator of the Lebanese Forces Forum)and SamaRATina/Kataeb Babe (Samaritana)  for coming out of the closet and bravely showing Your sexual orientation in a Gay Parade in Israel,  You both make a great team,  Cedars protecting Your Girlfriend SamaRATina,  And SamaRATina the dominatrix of Sodom and Gomorrah, making You happy with lust and degeneration.

    Is so nice to see how You Cedars allow SamaRATina to insult other members and ban all those who defend against those insults,  SInce Your corruption and lack of dignity puts You as a servant of a Jew.

    You can go back to Israhell and mistreat Christians so You can satisfy Your masters.
    You Can Ban Me But You can hide the truth You bastard!!  Besides You are a coward and a fagot!!!

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      Anonymous

      Is that some kind of ‘religious’ ranting? Or only a life-style preference?

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      Anonymous

      Is that some kind of ‘religious’ ranting? Or only a life-style preference?

  26. There is a major logical fallacy within the author, Ghassan’s response to the opposing view of Sebouh, I will elaborate;
     
    Ghassan is missing the point, and using a straw man argument against Sebouh’s response.
     
    Sebouh is not disagreeing that the ” Arab Spring is not a silver bullet to what ails the middle east “, as Ghassan said.
     
    Rather Sebouh is pointing out that he realized he was naive to believe that the ” Arab Spring ” was not funded and supported by the western global powers for their own geopolitical agenda.
     
     

  27. There is a major logical fallacy within the author, Ghassan’s response to the opposing view of Sebouh, I will elaborate;
     
    Ghassan is missing the point, and using a straw man argument against Sebouh’s response.
     
    Sebouh is not disagreeing that the ” Arab Spring is not a silver bullet to what ails the middle east “, as Ghassan said.
     
    Rather Sebouh is pointing out that he realized he was naive to believe that the ” Arab Spring ” was not funded and supported by the western global powers for their own geopolitical agenda.
     
     

  28. Regime change in Syria and Iran will liberate Lebanon

  29. Regime change in Syria and Iran will liberate Lebanon

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