Who Rules Lebanon? It’s NOT its Elected Representatives.

by Ghassan Karamhezbollah parade 11

The fact that I do not agree with practically any of the ideas, believes and concepts that Hezbollah subscribes to is clear and has been established a long, long time ago. If for nothing else, the fact that I consider theological beliefs as being discriminatory and when applied to the public square they form a major interference with the rights of individuals to express their views is enough grounds to make it clear that there is nothing in common between the vision of a secularist, democrat who believes strongly in human rights and cherishes them and the paradigm of a theocrat who follows blindly the dictate of the religious leader in Qom.

The following is not about these differences that can never be bridged although I will spare no effort to protect their right to promote their ideas legally. The following is sort of an expression of admiration of sorts for the ability of Hezbollah to pretend that they are only another political party in Lebanon when in effect they are the hegemon that is in total control of every detail in Lebanese politics.

Every new development demonstrates on a daily basis that nothing in the country, called Lebanon, ever gets done without the direct approval or at least the acquiescence of Hezbollah. One can even argue that the Lebanese official machinery works for Hezbollah. Their domination of the machinery of state is so complete that it would be no exaggeration to say that the government was created to serve their every desire.

Some have attributed this dominance to the Iranian ability to excel in Chess. That is a fair analogy but reality shows that Hezbollah has managed to go beyond Chess; they have mastered Game Theory which is capable of beating any human chess player. But does this dominance lend legitimacy to the extralegal group? The answer is an unequivocal no. And that is the weakness, if you will, of the Hezbollah dominance. The public accepts it grudgingly but is awaiting the opportunity to show its rejection of this humiliating experience whereby a political party pretends to be just another player when in fact it is threatening, cajoling and blackmailing all others not to demonstrate any dissent otherwise it will unleash its well armed and well equipped “shock troops” to quell any disturbance.

Maybe a few examples would help illustrate this point. The only “democracy” in the world that has no say whether to start a war or not is that of Lebanon since that power rests totally within the leadership of a political party, a leadership that has not been elected by Lebanese citizens and a leadership that does not hide the fact that its major allegiance is to a foreign theocracy.  Maybe that should be viewed as the Lebanese exceptionalism. 🙂

Another example of the ability of Hezbollah to be in absolute control of the tiny country is their ability to allow a cabinet to be formed only whenever it serves their purposes, to ask a cabinet to resign once Hezbollah feels that it s control of the state will be enhanced in the absence of an effective cabinet. They were the power that created the Mikati cabinet, then they were the power that asked it to submit its resignation and they are the only obstacle that prevents Tamam Salam, the PM designate< from forming a cabinet.

And last but not least is the idea of self rule, a state within a state whenever that suits their purposes. Hezbollah, an extralegal group has given itself the power and the rationale to install, without government approval, its own communication network, to deploy its own police and security forces that will even give orders to the official forces. Hezbollah has the right to send volunteers to join a civil war, it’s their prerogative but when another group retaliated against Hezbollah by sending suicide bombers into its stronghold of Dahieh Hezbollah reacted by closing the few hundred ( maybe thousand) bloc area by installing an armed group at each and every entry point. They acted with impunity as a state within a state. The party took the decision to erect these check points and to arm the elements manning. The state was treated as if it does not exist. It does not.

As if the above measures were not enough, the part; Hezbollah; decided to purchase and install some relatively sophisticated systems at the major entry points into Dahieh that can sniff explosives and that have the capacity to shoot the drivers of the vehicles that do not comply with the orders issued by the vigilante group called Hezbollah. This last step caused some grumbling among many Lebanese citizens and so the Lebanese cabinet played the game , that it has perfected by now, and declared that as of today 2000 official Lebanese Security and Army personnel will replace the Hezbollah elements at these check points. The Lebanese Interior Minister in the care taker government; Mr. Charbel; even had the courage to declare that personal security measures will not be tolerated. I wonder who is working for whom? It is clear for this writer that the Lebanese security forces is engaged in satisfying the total demands of Hezbollah as long as they do not challenge the party and as long as the wages are paid by the Lebanese citizen. Score the game, set and match to Hezbollah against a no show opponent.

  • Hannibal

    I agree with everything you have said wholeheartedly… But let me ask you this: If ANY other group/sect had their power would they give it up without a fight? What would be the incentive?

    • ghassan Karam

      Hannibal,
      In a democracy, which we are not, it is the elections that determine who is in power and not illegal arms. In a self respecting democracy no one is above the law.

      • dateam

        Mr Karam, Just out of curiosity what were your views on hzb pre 2000 and from 2000-2006? You must realise that as a nation we are a failed state. Its not just the hzb that falls into this category. We also have Saudia Arabia on the other side. Its as if Lebanon was put together in a way to protect all the other countries and be used as the arena to fight out all their battles. While your article gives an ear bashing to them and allows your audience of which probably 99% have never even been south of beirut including yourself or lived through israeli occupation and palestinian vulgarity you must surely know that an analysis of this group needs to go deeper than that. While I do agree that they need to eventually conform into the state and become intergrated you must first question why even before they gained this power our state since the end of the civil war and intruduction of the taif has stayed weak. There is a saying the jews have used since ww1 and 2 that never to forgive and never to forget. What if they never existed? What if they didnt have iran backing them? Where would southern lebanon be? Palestine would probably be in southern lebanon and still be administered by israel would it not? Although mistakes were made in the past one thing gmayell said famously was that lebanon is 10000 square miles and we will not give up an inch of it and payed for his life for that. They have done the same have they not albeit in their own way as did gmayell believe in his own way. Since 2000 what has the state done before hzb gained its power degree today to make lebanon strong? I could write a book as im sure you can about how our country and politicians have failed to build the state. In regards to your article its the first ive heard of armed men checking vehicles? its damned if we do damned if we dont..Charbel admitted that the resources were not available and now that they are they are using them. In the end would you rather see people taking matters into their own hands if the state cannot provide or like some would you rather see another bomb go off so we can amuse ourselves? What is it that people want? Our resources have been dried up we have nearly 2million syrians and palestinians in lebanon that is now threatening our demographics and economic conditions. We have an army of 45000 troops of which about 26000 are standing…We had to pull them out of the south in order to use up north due to our army being attacked and killed in places such as ersal. We have about 26000 isf officers of which about 11000 are standing…of these 11000 about 4000 are used for politician protection of which 3/4 dont deserve it. yet when gmayell was assasinated he had no protection at the time at all? We cancelled conscription after the 2006 war which boggles the mind…now had we kept it wouldnt half these young men in lebanon still be serving in the army? Now to join the army you need a wasta and because of our stupid sectarian mentality and laws if the army wants to recruit 1000 men if only 100 christians turn up then only 100 muslims can also be enrolled…so again you need to look at the fundamentals here…the politicians dont care look at miqati…he backstabbed hariri then it got too difficult for him so he resigned in effect leaving a vacuum in government…yet hes still sitting there as a caretaker pm being payed and tamam comes in as pm designate with all the benefits attached? Miqati resigned he should go thats it period. Oqab saqr and hariri are payed parliamentarians living abroad…rifi was caught doing dodgy exams for his isf officers so they can pass the tests…ziad baroud resigned because hariri choked him out of doing his job….mayor of arsal and his son caught killing lebanese army troops yet get political backing and are still out and about….what country are you talking about…the hzb is one of but a million issues withing the country….you said we need politicians with spines but we also need the media to simply report not play to their audiences.

        • ghassan Karam

          dateam,
          The short answer to your question, since I am pressed for time at the moment, is that all groups must have freedom of expression and the opportunity to market their ideas no matter what they are. I cannot , ever, favour a theocracy of any sort. My problem with Hezbollah is not that I disagree with their ideology, which I do, but the fact that they have used illegal privilege bestowed on them by the departing Syrians to act like a gang or at least as a vegilante. This is never acceptable irrespective whether you share their final goal or not. Means are important. And yes Lebanon has never acted as a full sovereign state that belongs to all its people. The solution to that though is not to create a state within a state but to work for the communal good by promoting democratic ideas.

          • dateam

            Mr Karam, We are all pressed for time…but as people that watch and follow you I think we need to ask the questions that nobody seems to want to ask or answer especially when you respectfully lend your ear…i will make it short….my point is it is easy to say they are this and they are that especially when the other side does nothing….since 2000 i have never heard a speech from hzb where they do not ask for the army to be strong…on the contrary there was a speech made by nasrallah once where he stated that the government needs to arm itself and strengthen the army even if it means buying weapons from the black market….the hzb should not even be in the government they should be totally incorporated in the army as a military unit just like israel has the golani and the americans the seals….the politics should be left to politicians and the security and defense of the country to the army with hzb incorporated….they have always asked for the army, people and resistance formula….i will leave you with this thought….look around you as to what is happening in the middle east…every minority and moderate is being attacked…iraq the christians have been driven out and now the shiites are being bombed daily, nigeria,pakistan,egypt,kenya,syria and the list goes on….turkey the 16th largest economy in the world and one of the strongest armies in the world just recently closed off its borders because of the infighting of the rebels and other groups….what would have happened to little old lebanon had alqusar not been cleared out?

          • 5thDrawer

            Once again, as my old Armenian friend says, ‘The Fish Stinks From The Head.’
            And that means ALL the heads. All the ‘talking heads’ – dialoguing forever.
            The ‘Religious’ are known for dialoguing Ad Infinitum. The ‘Religious’ pontificate from their pulpits forever trying to convince us there’s a God – which takes continuous dialoguing to accomplish. But Others do it too, when they seek ‘the power’ … especially those who are not particularly religious, but who have seen that IF they pretend they are, it gives ‘the people’ comfort.
            There is little use in asking ‘What If’, since it never happened. In the case of the army, Syria prevented it … perhaps even after their army left … which was much later than the Israelis.
            If the history was written properly, without bias, and the children were taught both an accurate dispassionate history, as well as about how it screwed Lebanon since whenever – especially from the economic standpoint – there could be a chance to create the concept of democracy which would work much better than the weird version Lebanon has now.
            Recognize FIRST that trying to run anything beyond little ‘religious fiefs’ cannot create a very ‘together’ country. It simply can’t work.
            And any ‘Fief’ which threatens all the others with guns all the time doesn’t want it to work ‘together’ … they want to dictate policy forever.
            Seems very stupid to me … the smallest bunch of idiots thinking it can threaten and influence the countries around it, while being the smallest country with the ‘LEAST TOGETHERNESS’. They need to maintain the ‘War Mentality’ … forever.

          • ghassan Karam

            t if there is an international guarantee that will ensure the integrity of the border. Whether that can be accomplished or not is a different matter. If we agree that the only goal that matters is border security then we have an obligation to accept an international guarantee for the border and consequently to dismantle the military wing of Hezbollah and reduce substantially the size and mission of the Lebanese army.
            Hezbollah has shown over the years that it will always find an excuse for it to exist separate from the Lebanese authorities. Hezbollah was created by Iran to serve Iranian beliefs and Iranian values. Hezbollah is committed to an allegiance to the Grand Ayatollah in Qom. That is problematic not for spiritual consideration but because Qom , since 1978, bases all its values on Wilayat Al Faqih which does not separate the secular from the sacred. This simply means that a Hezbollah member cannot swear allegiance to a state since his/her allegiance is to the Ayatollah in Qom.

          • dateam

            What international gaurantees? We have been violated left right and centre since before you were born…since 1701 israel has violated lebanese land over 4000 times. Surely you are not advocating weakness as a source of strength? The americans have come across the world to ensure their safety and you want to advocate reducing the mission of the lebanese army when we have 2 unstable borders over 2 million syrians and palestinians in our country threatening our demographics and economy…Sorry but I must say there is a reality on the ground that you cant see or dont want to see. We went through it in 1975 with the palestinians and get ready for round 2. Re wilayat al faqih its 2013 now it will not and wont happen I think they have understood the importance of intergrating and are starting to see it…My concern is security….You talk of walayat al faqih yet you have a situation around us and in the region where we have groups wanting sharia law and claphates and now in syria we are witnessing this very struggle amongst themselves now….How can you not even acknowledge the other sides threats? How can you not acknowledge that our army has been attacked numerous times by these groups? How can you not acknowledge that had we had a strong army we would not be where we are right now? had we had a strong army and closed off our borders with syria and had camps set up on the syrian side of the border and controlled it would we be where we are? Would our troops have been killed in arsal and saida? Would the hzb have gone into qusar? Why is it turkey and jordan have confined the refugees but we couldnt? We have become so fickle as a society….Iran set up the hzb to defend themselves against the israelis and palestinians and they have become what they are…im not saying all this because im advocating what they are and what they do im saying this because its easy to point the stick but what have the rest done?

        • Peaceforleb

          Well said Dateam. If only most can see and understand the logic you have written. Including biased ghassan.

  • Hannibal

    I agree with everything you have said wholeheartedly… But let me ask you this: If ANY other group/sect had their power would they give it up without a fight? What would be the incentive?

    • ghassan Karam

      Hannibal,
      In a democracy, which we are not, it is the elections that determine who is in power and not illegal arms. In a self respecting democracy no one is above the law.

      • dateam

        Mr Karam, Just out of curiosity what were your views on hzb pre 2000 and from 2000-2006? You must realise that as a nation we are a failed state. Its not just the hzb that falls into this category. We also have Saudia Arabia on the other side. Its as if Lebanon was put together in a way to protect all the other countries and be used as the arena to fight out all their battles. While your article gives an ear bashing to them and allows your audience of which probably 99% have never even been south of beirut including yourself or lived through israeli occupation and palestinian vulgarity you must surely know that an analysis of this group needs to go deeper than that. While I do agree that they need to eventually conform into the state and become intergrated you must first question why even before they gained this power our state since the end of the civil war and intruduction of the taif has stayed weak. There is a saying the jews have used since ww1 and 2 that never to forgive and never to forget. What if they never existed? What if they didnt have iran backing them? Where would southern lebanon be? Palestine would probably be in southern lebanon and still be administered by israel would it not? Although mistakes were made in the past one thing gmayell said famously was that lebanon is 10000 square miles and we will not give up an inch of it and payed for his life for that. They have done the same have they not albeit in their own way as did gmayell believe in his own way. Since 2000 what has the state done before hzb gained its power degree today to make lebanon strong? I could write a book as im sure you can about how our country and politicians have failed to build the state. In regards to your article its the first ive heard of armed men checking vehicles? its damned if we do damned if we dont..Charbel admitted that the resources were not available and now that they are they are using them. In the end would you rather see people taking matters into their own hands if the state cannot provide or like some would you rather see another bomb go off so we can amuse ourselves? What is it that people want? Our resources have been dried up we have nearly 2million syrians and palestinians in lebanon that is now threatening our demographics and economic conditions. We have an army of 45000 troops of which about 26000 are standing…We had to pull them out of the south in order to use up north due to our army being attacked and killed in places such as ersal. We have about 26000 isf officers of which about 11000 are standing…of these 11000 about 4000 are used for politician protection of which 3/4 dont deserve it. yet when gmayell was assasinated he had no protection at the time at all? We cancelled conscription after the 2006 war which boggles the mind…now had we kept it wouldnt half these young men in lebanon still be serving in the army? Now to join the army you need a wasta and because of our stupid sectarian mentality and laws if the army wants to recruit 1000 men if only 100 christians turn up then only 100 muslims can also be enrolled…so again you need to look at the fundamentals here…the politicians dont care look at miqati…he backstabbed hariri then it got too difficult for him so he resigned in effect leaving a vacuum in government…yet hes still sitting there as a caretaker pm being payed and tamam comes in as pm designate with all the benefits attached? Miqati resigned he should go thats it period. Oqab saqr and hariri are payed parliamentarians living abroad…rifi was caught doing dodgy exams for his isf officers so they can pass the tests…ziad baroud resigned because hariri choked him out of doing his job….mayor of arsal and his son caught killing lebanese army troops yet get political backing and are still out and about….what country are you talking about…the hzb is one of but a million issues withing the country….you said we need politicians with spines but we also need the media to simply report not play to their audiences.

        • ghassan Karam

          dateam,
          The short answer to your question, since I am pressed for time at the moment, is that all groups must have freedom of expression and the opportunity to market their ideas no matter what they are. I cannot , ever, favour a theocracy of any sort. My problem with Hezbollah is not that I disagree with their ideology, which I do, but the fact that they have used illegal privilege bestowed on them by the departing Syrians to act like a gang or at least as a vegilante. This is never acceptable irrespective whether you share their final goal or not. Means are important. And yes Lebanon has never acted as a full sovereign state that belongs to all its people. The solution to that though is not to create a state within a state but to work for the communal good by promoting democratic ideas.

          • dateam

            Mr Karam, We are all pressed for time…but as people that watch and follow you I think we need to ask the questions that nobody seems to want to ask or answer especially when you respectfully lend your ear…i will make it short….my point is it is easy to say they are this and they are that especially when the other side does nothing….since 2000 i have never heard a speech from hzb where they do not ask for the army to be strong…on the contrary there was a speech made by nasrallah once where he stated that the government needs to arm itself and strengthen the army even if it means buying weapons from the black market….the hzb should not even be in the government they should be totally incorporated in the army as a military unit just like israel has the golani and the americans the seals….the politics should be left to politicians and the security and defense of the country to the army with hzb incorporated….they have always asked for the army, people and resistance formula….i will leave you with this thought….look around you as to what is happening in the middle east…every minority and moderate is being attacked…iraq the christians have been driven out and now the shiites are being bombed daily, nigeria,pakistan,egypt,kenya,syria and the list goes on….turkey the 16th largest economy in the world and one of the strongest armies in the world just recently closed off its borders because of the infighting of the rebels and other groups….what would have happened to little old lebanon had alqusar not been cleared out?

          • 5thDrawer

            Once again, as my old Armenian friend says, ‘The Fish Stinks From The Head.’
            And that means ALL the heads. All the ‘talking heads’ – dialoguing forever.
            The ‘Religious’ are known for dialoguing Ad Infinitum. The ‘Religious’ pontificate from their pulpits forever trying to convince us there’s a God – which takes continuous dialoguing to accomplish. But Others do it too, when they seek ‘the power’ … especially those who are not particularly religious, but who have seen that IF they pretend they are, it gives ‘the people’ comfort.
            There is little use in asking ‘What If’, since it never happened. In the case of the army, Syria prevented it … perhaps even after their army left … which was much later than the Israelis.
            If the history was written properly, without bias, and the children were taught both an accurate dispassionate history, as well as about how it screwed Lebanon since whenever – especially from the economic standpoint, there could be a chance to create the concept of democracy which would work much better than the weird version Lebanon has now.
            Recognize FIRST that trying to run anything beyond little ‘religious fiefs’ cannot create a very ‘together’ country. It simply can’t work.

          • ghassan Karam

            t if there is an international guarantee that will ensure the integrity of the border. Whether that can be accomplished or not is a different matter. If we agree that the only goal that matters is border security then we have an obligation to accept an international guarantee for the border and consequently to dismantle the military wing of Hezbollah and reduce substantially the size and mission of the Lebanese army.
            Hezbollah has shown over the years that it will always find an excuse for it to exist separate from the Lebanese authorities. Hezbollah was created by Iran to serve Iranian beliefs and Iranian values. Hezbollah is committed to an allegiance to the Grand Ayatollah in Qom. That is problematic not for spiritual consideration but because Qom , since 1978, bases all its values on Wilayat Al Faqih which does not separate the secular from the sacred. This simply means that a Hezbollah member cannot swear allegiance to a state since his/her allegiance is to the Ayatollah in Qom.

          • dateam

            What international gaurantees? We have been violated left right and centre since before you were born…since 1701 israel has violated lebanese land over 4000 times. Surely you are not advocating weakness as a source of strength? The americans have come across the world to ensure their safety and you want to advocate reducing the mission of the lebanese army when we have 2 unstable borders over 2 million syrians and palestinians in our country threatening our demographics and economy…Sorry but I must say there is a reality on the ground that you cant see or dont want to see. We went through it in 1975 with the palestinians and get ready for round 2. Re wilayat al faqih its 2013 now it will not and wont happen I think they have understood the importance of intergrating and are starting to see it…My concern is security….You talk of walayat al faqih yet you have a situation around us and in the region where we have groups wanting sharia law and claphates and now in syria we are witnessing this very struggle amongst themselves now….How can you not even acknowledge the other sides threats? How can you not acknowledge that our army has been attacked numerous times by these groups? How can you not acknowledge that had we had a strong army we would not be where we are right now? had we had a strong army and closed off our borders with syria and had camps set up on the syrian side of the border and controlled it would we be where we are? Would our troops have been killed in arsal and saida? Would the hzb have gone into qusar? Why is it turkey and jordan have confined the refugees but we couldnt? We have become so fickle as a society….Iran set up the hzb to defend themselves against the israelis and palestinians and they have become what they are…im not saying all this because im advocating what they are and what they do im saying this because its easy to point the stick but what have the rest done?

        • Peaceforleb

          Well said Dateam. If only most can see and understand the logic you have written. Including biased ghassan.

  • freemanLiban

    HEZOLLAH IS A CANCER IN THE BODY OF LEBANON , I SAID IT LONG BEFORE I SAY IT NOW AND I WILL KEEP SAY IT, THIS SHAYTAN PARTY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEBANON’S INTEREST , IT IS A TOOL AND STOOGE FOR THE IRANINA MULLAH’S REGIME, THIS HEZBOILLAH CANCER PARTY AND WHAT DISASTERS THEY BRING TO OUR COUNTRY LEBANON IN THE NAME OF SO CALLED RESISTANCE IS ONLY CAN BE FACED AND RESISTED WITH FORCE TO DESTROY THAT CANCER THIS HEZBOLLAH PARTY BRINGS TO LEBANON. IT IS A SHAM WE DO NOT HAVE REAL STATESMEN LEADERSHIP THAT THEY STAND UP AND CORRECT THIS PENOMENON, BUT SOONER OR LATER LOTS OF PEOPLE IN LEBANON WILL RISE UP AND CONFRONT THIS CANCER PARTY AND DESTROY IT AND BRING BACK OUR CONTRY FROM THE BRINK OF ANOTHER DISASTER HOLOCAUST FROM THOSE BASTARDS.

    • Hannibal

      Capital letters state you are screaming… Is that the case? 😉

      • 5thDrawer

        Hezzy drives many ‘mad’ Hannibal.

    • Peaceforleb

      Blah Blah Blah.

      • libnan1

        Exactly …

    • libnan1

      This “Cancer party” as you put it is the same party that freed Lebanon and put you on the map. BTW we do have a statesmen The Great GMA. DEAL WITH IT

      • 5thDrawer

        You sure that ‘great’ isn’t ‘GoomBah’?

      • Drug Dealer

        Put us the map for being terrorists!!!

        • libnan1

          Who did they terrorize, Israel? I’m not for anyone to carry weapons outside the LA, this will come as the LA get stronger. With all do respect if it wasn’t for HA militias will be back killing innocent people. Believe it or not they are holding the country together. Think about it

          • Drug Dealer

            I am sorry but didn’t they terrorize the Lebanese when government tried to make a decision which they didn’t agree with (they took over Beirut)…. Also didn’t they indirectly terrorise the Lebanese because of their stupid actions by killing Israeli soldiers across the border??? How are they holding the country together? By beating or threatening people that don’t agree with their ideology…. Are you that brainwashed that you can’t see what they are doing to Lebanon….. Open your eyes!!!

      • Michael Alam

        You got to be kidding me .. Hezbollah freed us..Rubbish. The the sla was a Southern Lebanese force that had Maronites and Shiites and Druze. They joined the Israeli alliance to stop the PLO. Which is all well and good but when Iran changes it’s policy towards Israel and the USA Hezbollah was born going back to the same situation the PLO dominance of Lebanon. . Federalise the country or allow hez to seek independence and spare us the bs. Go pay your way own and stop piggy backing on the backs of the lebanese people and nation.

      • Esther Fernandez

        drug dealers cannot put lebanon on the map

    • Esther Fernandez

      more than cancer,they are a disester

  • freemanLiban

    HEZOLLAH IS A CANCER IN THE BODY OF LEBANON , I SAID IT LONG BEFORE I SAY IT NOW AND I WILL KEEP SAY IT, THIS SHAYTAN PARTY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LEBANON’S INTEREST , IT IS A TOOL AND STOOGE FOR THE IRANINA MULLAH’S REGIME, THIS HEZBOILLAH CANCER PARTY AND WHAT DISASTERS THEY BRING TO OUR COUNTRY LEBANON IN THE NAME OF SO CALLED RESISTANCE IS ONLY CAN BE FACED AND RESISTED WITH FORCE TO DESTROY THAT CANCER THIS HEZBOLLAH PARTY BRINGS TO LEBANON. IT IS A SHAM WE DO NOT HAVE REAL STATESMEN LEADERSHIP THAT THEY STAND UP AND CORRECT THIS PENOMENON, BUT SOONER OR LATER LOTS OF PEOPLE IN LEBANON WILL RISE UP AND CONFRONT THIS CANCER PARTY AND DESTROY IT AND BRING BACK OUR CONTRY FROM THE BRINK OF ANOTHER DISASTER HOLOCAUST FROM THOSE BASTARDS.

    • Hannibal

      Capital letters state you are screaming… Is that the case? 😉

      • 5thDrawer

        Hezzy drives many ‘mad’ Hannibal.

    • Peaceforleb

      Blah Blah Blah.

      • libnan1

        Exactly …

    • libnan1

      This “Cancer party” as you put it is the same party that freed Lebanon and put you on the map. BTW we do have a statesmen The Great GMA. DEAL WITH IT

      • 5thDrawer

        You sure that ‘great’ isn’t ‘GoomBah’?

      • Drug Dealer

        Put us the map for being terrorists!!!

        • libnan1

          Who did they terrorize, Israel? I’m not for anyone to carry weapons outside the LA, this will come as the LA get stronger. With all do respect if it wasn’t for HA militias will be back killing innocent people. Believe it or not they are holding the country together. Think about it

          • Drug Dealer

            I am sorry but didn’t they terrorize the Lebanese when government tried to make a decision which they didn’t agree with (they took over Beirut)…. Also didn’t they indirectly terrorise the Lebanese because of their stupid actions by killing Israeli soldiers across the border??? How are they holding the country together? By beating or threatening people that don’t agree with their ideology…. Are you that brainwashed that you can’t see what they are doing to Lebanon….. Open your eyes!!!

      • Michael Alam

        You got to be kidding me .. Hezbollah freed us..Rubbish. The the sla was a Southern Lebanese force that had Maronites and Shiites and Druze. They joined the Israeli alliance to stop the PLO. Which is all well and good but when Iran changes it’s policy towards Israel and the USA Hezbollah was born going back to the same situation the PLO dominance of Lebanon. . Federalise the country or allow hez to seek independence and spare us the bs. Go pay your way own and stop piggy backing on the backs of the lebanese people and nation.

      • Esther Fernandez

        drug dealers cannot put lebanon on the map

    • Esther Fernandez

      more than cancer,they are a disester

  • IraniAngel

    hizbulshaitan will never disappear as long as it enjoys such a great support among all lebanese regardless religious background (shia, sunni,christians) as a relatively new survey has shown. the survey also stated that the majority of the lebanese support the iranian regime which runs this terrorist organization. rumor has it that this nasty organization was in iran during the green uprising fighting side by side the iranian terrorist forces to surpress the people of iran. the most funny part is that during the green uprising the majority of the lebanese including shias, sunnis, christians sympathized with the oppressive mollah regime of iran and not with the oppressed ppl of iran, the survey also shows. although hizbOllah has a slighty different meaning in iran than hizbUllah has in leb iranians will despise you the moment you dare even mentioning this word. Believe you me only the iranians know these nasty mollahs well.

    • 5thDrawer

      This can only mean that being ‘Anti-Israel’ is more important than being ‘Pro-Lebanon’ … the brainwashing has been very thorough in that regard, as we know.
      The only OTHER explanation is that Lebanon truly is a ‘Terrorist State’ … as it is often labelled.
      That would require everyone in the country feeling it was the right attitude to have … but I doubt that could ever happen.

      • IraniAngel

        no one in the middle east is anti-israel and especially no one in iran… if the ppl of the middle east were anti israel we would all go there and kick them out… im for one not anti-israel. why should i? israel is a small country miles away from my country. it has nothing to do with us and we have nothing to do with them so why should i even get invovled in the arab/israeli dispute when it has nothing to do with me and my country? backing the arabs means neglecting my own country.
        now for the lebanese attitude, taking the survey into account i believe that being a slave of the terrorist organization of hizb is very common in lebanon. dont let the few lebanese opposing hizb on this site fool you making you think that their views are representative for lebanon as a whole. i once watched a documentary on bbc or something like that which made clear that hizbullahis are considered heroes in lebanon… and everywhere the camera turned there was a pic of not only the fuckface of nastyrallah but also two pics of the monkeyfaces of xomeini and xamenei…

        • 5thDrawer

          Irani … now we’re both in the bad books. Cheers. :-)))

  • IraniAngel

    hizbulshaitan will never disappear as long as it enjoys such a great support among all lebanese regardless religious background (shia, sunni,christians) as a relatively new survey has shown. the survey also stated that the majority of the lebanese support the iranian regime which runs this terrorist organization. rumor has it that this nasty organization was in iran during the green uprising fighting side by side with the iranian terrorist forces to surpress the people of iran. the most funny part is that during the green uprising the majority of the lebanese including shias, sunnis, christians sympathized with the oppressive mollah regime of iran and not with the oppressed ppl of iran, the survey also shows. although hizbollah has a slighty different meaning in iran than it has in leb iranian will despise you the moment you dare even mentioning this word. Believe you me only the iranians know these nasty mollahs well.

    • 5thDrawer

      This can only mean that being ‘Anti-Israel’ is more important than being ‘Pro-Lebanon’ … the brainwashing has been very thorough in that regard, as we know.
      The only OTHER explanation is that Lebanon truly is a ‘Terrorist State’ … as it is often labelled.

      • IraniAngel

        no one in the middle east is anti-israel and especially no one in iran… if the ppl of the middle east were anti israel we will all go there and kick them out… im for one not anti-israel. why should i? israel is a small country miles away from my country. it has nothing to do with us and we have nothing to do with them so why should i even get invovled in the arab/israeli dispute when it has nothing to do with me and my country? backing the arabs means neglecting my own country.
        now for the lebanese attitude, taking the survey into account i believe that being a slave of the terrorist organization of hizb is very common in lebanon. dont let the few lebanese opposing hizb on this site fool you making you think that their views are representative for lebanon as a whole.

        • 5thDrawer

          Irani … now we’re both in the bad books. Cheers. :-)))

  • jaballubnan

    “… in the country, called Lebanon, ever gets done …”

    Mr. Ghassan Karam is this statement implies ,Lebanon is NOT and is a myth country that is made up?

    Here is another statement that support that same logic “..was treated as if it does not exist. It does not.”

    • 5thDrawer

      And you think Assad should own it, I suppose …. there are many who seem to think so here.
      Which, of course, means you also do not ascribe to the democratic principles some strive for.
      So don’t try to twist Ghassan’s words into some form of agreement.

      • jaballubnan

        You missed the point 5th- What I meant is that Lebanon was created to be in this mess- Again as long as the existing governing frame work continues to rule this land it is a revolving cycle – thanks to France for setting up such a governing system!

        • 5thDrawer

          Ok Jubal .. the French screwed up in 1918 … and the ‘families’ have ever since.
          I guess it’s no wonder that so many leave …

    • ghassan Karam

      Jaballubnan,
      Yes there is a geographic region known as Lebanon but to the best of my knowledge there is no sovereign state.

  • jaballubnan

    “… in the country, called Lebanon, ever gets done …”

    Mr. Ghassan Karam is this statement implies ,Lebanon is NOT and is myth country that is made up?

    Here is another statement that support that same logic “..was treated as if it does not exist. It does not.”

    • 5thDrawer

      And you think Assad should own it, I suppose …. there are many who seem to think so here.
      Which, of course, means you also do not ascribe to the democratic principles some strive for.
      So don’t try to twist Ghassan’s words into some form of agreement.

      • jaballubnan

        You missed the point 5th- What I meant is that Lebanon was created to be in this mess- Again as long as the existing governing frame work continues to rule this land it is a revolving cycle – thanks to France for setting up such a governing system!

        • 5thDrawer

          Ok Jubal .. the French screwed up in 1918 … and the ‘families’ have ever since.
          I guess it’s no wonder that so many leave …

    • ghassan Karam

      Jaballubnan,
      Yes there is a geographic region known as Lebanon but to the best of my knowledge there is no sovereign state.

  • 5thDrawer

    Again, a rational excellent article Ghassan.
    As the ‘checkpoint’ thug yelled at the woman reporter last week; ‘We are the state’.
    There is no denying their belief that they are. Or that Nastyrallah is the ‘El Supremo’ of Lebanon.
    For this, and him, ALL the people suffer.

    • ghassan Karam

      5thDrawer,
      I would not be surprised if the guy who yelled “We are the state” is expressing a very wide held belief among HA supporters.

  • 5thDrawer

    Again, a rational excellent article Ghassan.
    As the ‘checkpoint’ thug yelled at the woman reporter last week; ‘We are the state’.
    There is no denying their belief that they are. Or that Nastyrallah is the ‘El Supremo’ of Lebanon.
    For this, and him, ALL the people suffer.

    • ghassan Karam

      5thDrawer,
      I would not be surprised if the guy who yelled “We are the state” is expressing a very wide held belief among HA supporters.

  • Fauzia45

    Hi Ghassan ,I agree with you!I ran across an article in an old ^Time Magazine^August 2006 and the writer ,Robert Baer ,former CIA officer said that he ^ran into an old friend in Damascus,a Syrian businessman close to Assad and asked him what he thought would happen in Lebanon.He said ,^It s not Syria s problem anymore.You threw us out.We gave Lebanon to Iran^!

    • ghassan Karam

      Fauzia45,
      That is exactly what happened. When Syria pulled its forces it left Lebanon in the hands of the only armed and well trained militia, Hezbollah.

      • 5thDrawer

        …. because it had disallowed arms in the hands of the LAF, or any viable training for a Lebanese army, for the 15 years of occupation. And who’s plan do you think that was?

  • Fauzia45

    Hi Ghassan ,I agree with you!I ran across an article in an old ^Time Magazine^August 2006 and the writer ,Robert Baer ,former CIA officer said that he ^ran into an old friend in Damascus,a Syrian businessman close to Assad and asked him what he thought would happen in Lebanon.He said ,^It s not Syria s problem anymore.You threw us out.We gave Lebanon to Iran^!

    • ghassan Karam

      Fauzia45,
      That is exactly what happened. When Syria pulled its forces it left Lebanon in the hands of the only armed and well trained militia, Hezbollah.

      • 5thDrawer

        …. because it had disallowed arms in the hands of the LAF, or any viable training for a Lebanese army, for the 15 years of occupation.

  • Drug Dealer

    There is only way to settle this and that is an all out war with Hizballah. A lot out there will disagree; but that’s the only way they will be brought under control. Politically the Lebanese have no hope against them. Now is the perfect time!!!!

    • 5thDrawer

      It would be difficult for them to fight on two fronts. True. But are you willing to suffer all the extra deaths of women and children in Lebanon to do that? Syria has been bad enough.
      Why not wage a battle of philosophy and truth at least as good as their propaganda?
      Perhaps be prepared for their assault for doing that, but starting it is not a great concept.

      • Are you level headed by nature 5th or by means of quality octane consumption 🙂 either way I am with you bro! violence is not the answer.

        • 5thDrawer

          Well Geo, too much only ever put me to sleep … must be nature at work somewhere. 🙂 Could also be age … 😉 (the 30-yr was wonderful stuff)
          But yes, violence begets violence … and there is no real ’cause’ which demands it as an answer to the stupidity of that Hezzy crowd.
          Now that they have finally ‘come out’ and shown what they are ‘for’, it should not be very hard to refute their supposed ideals – and I think many have noticed.

      • Drug Dealer

        Lets look at history; a lot countries became half decent and civilized after a war e.g. Turkey, Germany, Most of Europe, USA, Japan, etc. What makes Lebanon or the Middle East any different? I say bring it on so we can have at least half decent countries in the MIddle East.

        • Hannibal

          I agree as long as you stop dealing drugs and lead on the front line 😉

          • Drug Dealer

            Stop dealing drugs??? Never.How can I when people out there need the drugs I supply. I guess you be there right next me when I lead……

        • IraniAngel

          funnily enough that makes sense

          • Drug Dealer

            People need the drugs I supply seriously.

    • Peaceforleb

      It seems you are getting high on your own supply.

      • Drug Dealer

        Might be getting high on my own supply but you tell me how we are going to solve the issue with Hizb. Politically we have no hope, you can’t reason with them, they want to rule the country their own way. So what do we do? I guess we do what you must doing for them bend over and take it. I don’t think so……

  • Drug Dealer

    There is only way to settle this and that is an all out war with Hizballah. A lot out there will disagree; but that’s the only way they will be brought under control. Politically the Lebanese have no hope against them. Now is the perfect time!!!!

    • 5thDrawer

      It would be difficult for them to fight on two fronts. True. But are you willing to suffer all the extra deaths of women and children to do that?
      Why not wage a battle of philosophy and truth at least as good as their propaganda?
      Perhaps be prepared for their assault for doing that, but starting it is not a great concept.

      • Are you level headed by nature 5th or by means of quality octane consumption 🙂 either way I am with you bro! violence is not the answer.

        • 5thDrawer

          Well Geo, too much only ever put me to sleep … must be nature at work somewhere. 🙂 But yes, violence begets violence … and there is no real ’cause’ which demands it as an answer to the stupidity of that Hezzy crowd.
          Now that they have finally ‘come out’ and shown what they are ‘for’, it should not be very hard to refute their supposed ideals – and I think many have noticed.

      • Drug Dealer

        Lets look at history; a lot countries became half decent and civilized after a war e.g. Turkey, Germany, Most of Europe, USA, Japan, etc. What makes Lebanon or the Middle East any different? I say bring it on so we can have at least half decent countries in the MIddle East.

        • Hannibal

          I agree as long as you stop dealing drugs and lead on the front line 😉

          • Drug Dealer

            Stop dealing drugs??? Never.How can I when people out there need the drugs I supply. I guess you be there right next me when I lead……

        • IraniAngel

          funnily enough that makes sense

          • Drug Dealer

            People need the drugs I supply seriously.

    • Peaceforleb

      It seems you are getting high on your own supply.

      • Drug Dealer

        Might be getting high on my own supply but you tell me how we are going to solve the issue with Hizb. Politically we have no hope, you can’t reason with them, they want to rule the country their own way. So what do we do? I guess we do what you must doing for them bend over and take it. I don’t think so……

  • libnan1

    Ghasan, The answer to your question is we rule Lebanon the real elected officials not the elected officials paid for by Saudi/Hariri $$$$ Glory to our GENERAL.

    • 5thDrawer

      2 seats out of 30 was hardly an election ‘win’.
      That probably ticked Nastyrallah off more than anything. Even his TV personality doesn’t cut the mustard. It’s all wind-bag, and ‘the people’ know it. 🙂
      Tell me, were you the producer or his ‘P.R.’ man?

      • Hannibal

        It explains the bad publicity… he he

      • libnan1

        What are you talking about 5th? 90% of Christians support him and voted for him. He stands for Lebanon, it will be my pleasure to be his PR man. I would like to replace some of the dudes on OTV with some hot looking chicks. Also I would advice him to hold a news conference with HA and tell the M14 gang the way it is STOP YAPING, WE RULE, DEAL WITH IT. I guess M8 are being polite.

        • 5thDrawer

          Yah Libnan1. I have a friend in Beirut – a Baptist even – who used to think they were great … maybe still thinks they are better devils than others.
          She also LIKED Hariri the elder. And she’s heavy on ‘God’ for sure.
          WHY ?? Because, it SEEMS they were the ones who brought some ‘peace and calm’ to the little areas she frequents. Her street was usually quiet – (exceptions in 2006 … etc.) NOT because she agrees with the ‘war-mentality’ or any GREAT NEED to keep those ‘horrible’ Israeli people out. After 25 years of ‘war’ in a damaged youth-experience of being stuck in a wheelchair at age 14 for the REST OF her life – which because of that will be shorter than normal – ANYTHING QUIET was better than having to dive into the underground parking every night … as the friends in Tripoli had to do this past year. ANYONE who seems to give some PEACE to a personal life is going to get ‘support’.
          BUT, is it possible for them to stay OUT of the life ?? NO. They don’t.
          And on occasion streets are dug up, or tyres burned, or a bomb goes off. The GLORY OF RESISTANCE carries on … and on … and on. They created the ‘need’ for it. Right? Whip out the guns and trample the streets on the anniversary of every death that ever occurred. Such GLORY !
          Sure, get him out of the cave and ‘Big Brother TV Image’ area, and into a REAL OPEN DEBATE on LIFE !!! AS ‘the people’ want it to BE. I’d love to watch that one.
          By the way, how many JOBS have they supplied to an educated (3 degrees) woman in a wheelchair lately? Or … EVER ???
          How many real jobs to WOMEN who can walk ???
          Nastyrallah and the LOON Aoun are the ones the people have to DEAL WITH – and if you think everyone should make love to them like you do, Lebanon is gone for sure. Their venture into Syria shows what they ARE. Syria will be killing women and children for years now, and if YOU love that, YOU have to deal with it.

          • 5thDrawer

            Just ONE of the stories in the naked jungle.

        • Michael Alam

          90% of Christians. Yeah right your dreaming. There are 10 million Maronites and 1 million in Lebanon your telling me that 90% support hezbz3ran. All the m14 Christian leaders that were a serious threat to the axis of evil were eliminated . Hezbollah,Syrian and Iran are responsible.. Keep backing them.. Their actions are putting us at risk from terrorist attacks,from the al Qaeda nusra terrorist. Anyone who supports ha will be target.. You support the butcher of Syria you kill Sunnis indiscriminately. Ha and supporters will receive the same and the Syrian moukhobrat will launch bombing against Sunnis in Lebanon and Syria. We are involved. In something that’s not in our scope to handle

    • ghassan Karam

      Iranian money is just as dirty as that of Saudis. What is needed is a batch of politicians with spine. We have not found any yet.

      • jaballubnan

        Mr Karam, being a politician with a spine will cost you dearly.. not only your life but your family’s life, and the lives of those who agree with your independent idea. Lebanon is not a country, it is tribal mafia bunch of people living in this called Lebanon. Lebanon never was and I doubt if it sees peace soon, as long as the existing governing frame work continues to rule this land it is revolving cycle – thanks to France for setting up such a governing system!

        • 5thDrawer

          To some extent, true Jubal. In ‘The Age Of Empires’, the opening of the world to general knowledge, and the conquests by various ‘powerful’ countries led to some humans believing they were ‘Superior’ (some Supreme, perhaps… 😉 to the ‘native peoples’ discovered here and there, who didn’t have that ‘knowledge’.
          When the economic viability of maintaining an Empire (and having to fight in it all the time) began to be a pain in the ass, the Empire Builders decided to cut the losses and leave – but all while maintaining a connection for ‘trade’.
          So, they colluded with the ‘next-door empire holders’, or took the advice of the locals about who had owned what before, or drew a few lines willy-nilly in some cases, enlisted some surveyors and map-makers, and created what they believed were ‘sensible’ spaces on a map for people to live in. Then they waved goodbye, basically, leaving an Embassy and a Trade Office behind.
          And then all the old hell broke loose. 🙂
          There’s really nothing worse than a bureaucrat sitting in an office somewhere a few thousand miles away from a problem, with little notes and maps and bits of info, deciding how to draw up a ‘plan’ for a place he’s never lived in, for people he doesn’t know.
          This sort of thing still goes on. Of course. :-))))

    • Hannibal

      Orange Crush on a fleeing loud voice 2osrambo (shorty in Lebanese) HE HE

    • jaballubnan

      Your idea as general as your general! blind folded and hand walked into the cliff.

  • libnan1

    Ghasan, The answer to your question is we rule Lebanon the real elected officials not the elected officials paid for by Saudi/Hariri $$$$ Glory to our GENERAL.

    • 5thDrawer

      2 seats out of 30 was hardly an election ‘win’.

      • Hannibal

        It explains the bad publicity… he he

      • libnan1

        What are you talking about 5th? 90% of Christians support him and voted for him. He stands for Lebanon, it will be my pleasure to be his PR man. I would like to replace some of the dudes on OTV with some hot looking chicks. Also I would advice him to hold a news conference with HA and tell the M14 gang the way it is STOP YAPING, WE RULE, DEAL WITH IT. I guess M8 are being polite.

        • 5thDrawer

          Yah Libnan1. I have a friend in Beirut – a Baptist even – who used to think they were great … maybe still thinks they are better devils than others.
          She also LIKED Hariri the elder.
          WHY ?? Because, it SEEMS they were the ones who brought some ‘peace and calm’ to the little areas she frequents. Her street was usually quiet – (exceptions in 2006 … etc.) NOT because she agrees with the ‘war-mentality’ or any GREAT NEED to keep those ‘horrible’ Israeli people out. After 25 years of ‘war’ in a damaged youth-experience of being stuck in a wheelchair at age 14 for the REST OF her life ANYTHING QUIET was better than having to dive into the underground parking every night … as the friends in Tripoli had to do this past year. ANYONE who seems to give some PEACE to a personal life is going to get ‘support’.
          BUT, is it possible for them to stay OUT of the life ?? NO. They don’t.
          And on occasion streets are dug up, or tyres burned, or a bomb goes off. The GLORY OF RESISTANCE carries on … and on … and on. They created the ‘need’ for it. Right?
          Sure, get him out of the cave and ‘Big Brother TV Image’ area, and into a REAL OPEN DEBATE on LIFE !!! AS ‘the people’ want it to BE. I’d love to watch that one.

          • 5thDrawer

            Just ONE of the stories in the naked jungle.

        • Michael Alam

          90% of Christians. Yeah right your dreaming. There are 10 million Maronites and 1 million in Lebanon your telling me that 90% support hezbz3ran. All the m14 Christian leaders that were a serious threat to the axis of evil were eliminated . Hezbollah,Syrian and Iran are responsible.. Keep backing them.. Their actions are putting us at risk from terrorist attacks,from the al Qaeda nusra terrorist. Anyone who supports ha will be target.. You support the butcher of Syria you kill Sunnis indiscriminately. Ha and supporters will receive the same and the Syrian moukhobrat will launch bombing against Sunnis in Lebanon and Syria. We are involved. In something that’s not in our scope to handle

    • ghassan Karam

      Iranian money is just as dirty as that of Saudis. What is needed is a batch of politicians with spine. We have not found any yet.

      • jaballubnan

        Mr Karam, being a politician with a spine will cost you dearly.. not only your life but your family’s life, and the lives of those who agree with your independent idea. Lebanon is not a country, it is tribal mafia bunch of people living in this called Lebanon. Lebanon never was and I doubt if it sees peace soon, as long as the existing governing frame work continues to rule this land it is revolving cycle – thanks to France for setting up such a governing system!

        • 5thDrawer

          To some extent, true Jubal. In ‘The Age Of Empires’, the opening of the world to general knowledge, and the conquests by various ‘powerful’ countries led to some humans believing they were ‘Superior’ (some Supreme, perhaps… 😉 to the ‘native peoples’ discovered here and there, who didn’t have that ‘knowledge’.
          When the economic viability of maintaining an Empire (and having to fight in it all the time) began to be a pain in the ass, the Empire Builders decided to cut the losses and leave – but all while maintaining a connection for ‘trade’.
          So, they colluded with the ‘next-door empire holders’, or took the advice of the locals about who had owned what before, or drew a few lines willy-nilly in some cases, enlisted some surveyors and map-makers, and created what they believed were ‘sensible’ spaces on a map for people to live in. Then they waved goodbye, basically, leaving an Embassy and a Trade Office behind.
          And then all the old hell broke loose. 🙂
          There’s really nothing worse than a bureaucrat sitting in an office somewhere a few thousand miles away from a problem, with little notes and maps and bits of info, deciding how to draw up a ‘plan’ for a place he’s never lived in, for people he doesn’t know.
          This sort of thing still goes on. Of course. :-))))

    • Hannibal

      Orange Crush on a fleeing loud voice 2osrambo (shorty in Lebanese) HE HE

    • jaballubnan

      Your idea as general as your general! bind folded and hand walked into the cliff.

  • Reasonableman

    How foolish and strange is man, he loses his health in gaining wealth, then to regain health he wastes his wealth, he ruins the present by worrying about his future, but weeps in the future by recalling his past, he lives in a way as though death shall not come to him, but dies in a way as if he were never born. [Ali ibn abu talib RADIALLAH W 3ANHU]

    Great post ghassan and accurate although i felt i craved a happy ending after darkness hence the quote i posted. Even though our long term objectives are different i think its fair to say and nomore a generalisation using lebanon as our example that everything has a price tag $$. Especially those who hold the opinion that a secular law is the answer. These laws only make the rich richer. Gives a poor a chance to feel like humans by working to make the rich even richer.
    Hezballah know the rules to this game and have the money to support their objectives and they will eventually crumble, realistically all it takes is somebody to work for that hard enough.
    Even if the secularists had their government in the end we there is still that inch open for destruction.
    My opinion is i can’t blame the hoplessness floating in the air. The sha3ab(people) are chasing their desires to be the “only” leaders yet don’t want to sweat for it. They hide their food from their own brothers if he was hungry, the ideaolagies are dependant and fed by the state. We have become doctors in lip service and foul play are the only rules we know for a “quick fix”
    When somebody does stand up to the bully suddenly their brain food(for lip service) aka the state is in jeopardy. The hero becomes outcasted take assir for example. We know the hezbians lie cheat and steal to have their way with the state yet believe without knowledge that assir was in the wrong only because he grows a beard and shaves his moustache?
    The sha3ab forget the objectives because he says allahu akbar.
    Our problem including myself is trying to convince ourself that these people are human before prejudging and fearing a “mere thoughtwave” they possess.

    • Reasonableman

      The case of lebanon has a similar storyline to a book called 38 witnesses by A.M rosenthal.
      5th if your reading maybe look it up read the overview get the main idea and interprit it 😉 just being cheeky.
      When a human knows a bunch of people have seen the same as he, he feels his responsibilty is disolved.Thus the state is forced to bystander syndrome. Thinking it will be saved even if it means doing nothing.

      • 5thDrawer

        Reasonable … I think some – like us here and Ghassan – in our feeble way, keep trying.
        But did you ever feel like a close relative of Don Quixote ??

        • Reasonableman

          I don’t know much about don but i did do a really quick search on wiki and can tell at times i probably do feel like a close relative.
          Books tv and music play a big part on the brain especially on the confusion side of things if we are not fed (educated) of what its real meanings are. Maybe its just an introvert thing? Ive never been on the other side of the grass long enough to understand what the 9866ee69 billion people concider as normal.
          What is normal?

          My policy is to admit what I know I am not sure of,be self-assured about the rest, but grant the possibility of error.That is why I welcome knowledgeable correction and constructive debate.
          My objective is to idealistic in means but be realistic in means.

          • 5thDrawer

            I think I’m not too confused by the last line … missing the word ‘be’??
            Sorry …. 😉
            Idealism, I think, is more often in the ‘dream’ category … unless one doesn’t criticize oneself often enough. 🙂 But we DO dream. Outside of many quotes which could be used up on that, I think it’s fair to say that striving for ‘an ideal’ – something we individually feel would be ‘right’ – be it in work or in pleasure – is not a bad thing to do … as long as we are not hurting ourselves or others in the process. Work for the ideal in yourself.
            Again, that simple rule, yes, but it takes a whole lifetime with some thoughts to realize them (draw a conclusion – a truism of self), and looking back one may find that ‘seeking’ one’s ideal ‘whatever’ may have made someone else at least uncomfortable. Idealism is ‘self’ ascribed more than anything – difficult because we do not know ourselves until the moment we reach that ‘ideal thought’. And then, we say ‘wow’ … and having realized it (say to self ‘I did it’), move on to find more – we accomplished what we sought to do, but by nature (human) can’t lay back long to bathe in any self-glory from it. Unless one wishes for boredom.
            Realism, on the other hand, is necessary to keep all the rest of life in perspective. And also – since you refer to ‘means’ – to allow the dreaming to continue. It pertains more to the world around us – and we are tasked in that every day. Realism in that is necessary. And yet ….
            If ‘means’ means money, then it should be used to obtain ‘the ideal’ rather than become the ideal on it’s own. After all, it’s really rather a dull thing.
            If ‘means’ means perfection of a ‘learned’ skill (through practice and thought) which, let’s say, leads to a satisfaction in creating an envisaged ideal (dream), then money has little to do with it. It’s about self accomplishment.
            EACH of these has various little bits in a lifetime. Sometimes in as little as moment. And then, we all tilt at windmills from time to time I think too. A ‘long endeavour’ of idealism … which may in the end defeat us, even if worth doing.
            ‘Rationality’ is about keeping the perspective between Realism and Idealism.
            And as poor Don Quixote found, charging at a windmill may land you in some else’s ‘care’. He wasn’t quite seen as ‘rational’. 🙂

            Does that sound Reasonable? 😉
            Well … my perspective at the moment, anyway. You are allowed to shoot. :-))

            One last thought. I believe some people only dream nightmares.
            That is not ideal. And then I ponder several million ‘refugee’ children ….. 🙁

          • Reasonableman

            Grammer correction. i meant idealistic in goals but realistic in means. but you pretty much sumed it up.

  • Reasonableman

    How foolish and strange is man, he loses his health in gaining wealth, then to regain health he wastes his wealth, he ruins the present by worrying about his future, but weeps in the future by recalling his past, he lives in a way as though death shall not come to him, but dies in a way as if he were never born. [Ali ibn abu talib RADIALLAH W 3ANHU]

    Great post ghassan and accurate although i felt i craved a happy ending after darkness hence the quote i posted. Even though our long term objectives are different i think its fair to say and nomore a generalisation using lebanon as our example that everything has a price tag $$. Especially those who hold the opinion that a secular law is the answer. These laws only make the rich richer. Gives a poor a chance to feel like humans by working to make the rich even richer.
    Hezballah know the rules to this game and have the money to support their objectives and they will eventually crumble, realistically all it takes is somebody to work for that hard enough.
    Even if the secularists had their government in the end we there is still that inch open for destruction.
    My opinion is i can’t blame the hoplessness floating in the air. The sha3ab(people) are chasing their desires to be the “only” leaders yet don’t want to sweat for it. They hide their food from their own brothers if he was hungry, the ideaolagies are dependant and fed by the state. We have become doctors in lip service and foul play are the only rules we know for a “quick fix”
    When somebody does stand up to the bully suddenly their brain food(for lip service) aka the state is in jeopardy. The hero becomes outcasted take assir for example. We know the hezbians lie cheat and steal to have their way with the state yet believe without knowledge that assir was in the wrong only because he grows a beard and shaves his moustache?
    The sha3ab forget the objectives because he says allahu akbar.
    Our problem including myself is trying to convince ourself that these people are human before prejudging and fearing a “mere thoughtwave” they possess.

    • Reasonableman

      The case of lebanon has a similar storyline to a book called 38 witnesses by A.M rosenthal.
      5th if your reading maybe look it up read the overview get the main idea and interprit it 😉 just being cheeky.

      • 5thDrawer

        Reasonable … I think some – like us here and Ghassan – in our feeble way, keep trying.
        But did you ever feel like a close relative of Don Quixote ??

        • Reasonableman

          I don’t know much about don but i did do a really quick search on wiki and can tell at times i probably do feel like a close relative.
          Books tv and music play a big part on the brain especially on the confusion side of things if we are not fed (educated) of what its real meanings are. Maybe its just an introvert thing? Ive never been on the other side of the grass long enough to understand what the 9866ee69 billion people concider as normal.
          What is normal?

          My policy is to admit what I know I am not sure of,be self-assured about the rest, but grant the possibility of error.That is why I welcome knowledgeable correction and constructive debate.
          My objective is to idealistic in means but be realistic in means.

          • 5thDrawer

            I think I’m not too confused by the last line … missing the word ‘be’??
            Sorry …. 😉
            Idealism, I think, is more often in the ‘dream’ category … unless one doesn’t criticize oneself often enough. 🙂 But we DO dream. Outside of many quotes which could be used up on that, I think it’s fair to say that striving for ‘an ideal’ – something we individually feel would be ‘right’ – be it in work or in pleasure – is not a bad thing to do … as long as we are not hurting ourselves or others in the process. Work for the ideal in yourself.
            Again, that simple rule, yes, but it takes a whole lifetime with some thoughts to realize them (draw a conclusion – a truism of self), and looking back one may find that ‘seeking’ one’s ideal ‘whatever’ may have made someone else at least uncomfortable. Idealism is ‘self’ ascribed more than anything – difficult because we do not know ourselves until the moment we reach that ‘ideal thought’. And then, we say ‘wow’ … and having realized it (say to self ‘I did it’), move on to find more – we accomplished what we sought to do, but by nature (human) can’t lay back long to bathe in any self-glory from it. Unless one wishes for boredom.
            Realism, on the other hand, is necessary to keep all the rest of life in perspective. And also – since you refer to ‘means’ – to allow the dreaming to continue. It pertains more to the world around us – and we are tasked in that every day. Realism in that is necessary. And yet ….
            If ‘means’ means money, then it should be used to obtain ‘the ideal’ rather than become the ideal on it’s own. After all, it’s really rather a dull thing.
            If ‘means’ means perfection of a ‘learned’ skill (through practice and thought) which, let’s say, leads to a satisfaction in creating an envisaged ideal (dream), then money has little to do with it. It’s about self accomplishment.
            EACH of these has various little bits in a lifetime. Sometimes in as little as moment. And then, we all tilt at windmills from time to time I think too. A ‘long endeavour’ of idealism … which may in the end defeat us, even if worth doing.
            ‘Rationality’ is about keeping the perspective between Realism and Idealism.
            And as poor Don Quixote found, charging at a windmill may land you in some else’s ‘care’. He wasn’t quite seen as ‘rational’. 🙂

            Does that sound Reasonable? 😉
            Well … my perspective at the moment, anyway. You are allowed to shoot. :-))

          • Reasonableman

            Grammer correction. i meant idealistic in goals but realistic in means. but you pretty much sumed it up.

  • LF for life

    I wonder what Lebanon will be like in 10 years 15 years?
    I think everyone deep down knows that Lebanon is done with (or least the Lebanon we once knew)
    Words cant describe how much i hate Hezbollah.

    • LF the future is now!!! believe half what you see and none of what you hear!

      My profiling experience is partly from reading depositions and the answer to your question is simply read the comments as I do. It paint a true picture of how people truly feel for one another.
      the very small minority have become wise and reject the failures of the past but many still subscribe to denial and superiority mind set that are driven by greed and arrogance, there are very few lebanese from all walks that would not return to their vomit but unfortunetly are outnumbered by trouble makers.

      • 5thDrawer

        Hell Geo .. even feeling it was safe to visit would be a ‘one-up’ moment. 🙂

        • 5th, I have done the orbitz exercise more than a dozen times the last few months but chickened out at the end of the booking, it would be nice to get away and disconnect from 80 hour weeks but I dont know if I can stomach all the drama, I just want to see some childhood friends and eat knafey till I am diabetic , do you think my visa will be denied if I say I am on a mission to eat 100,000 knafey? 🙂

          I wonder if zabada is going to label this christian sugar terrorism :)P

          • 5thDrawer

            Hehehehehe … Geo, it’s so sad I have to laugh. I’d chance the diabetes to see some friends – who are living in a form of hell. But I don’t think I’d get off the road from the airport … religion-stamp or not. Those ‘personal moments’ were intense enough the last time …
            And yes, Zabada is a descent guy, but as we say ‘in the mold’. And I doubt he likes a good Scotch either. :-))

    • Esther Fernandez

      we are with you brother

  • LF for life

    I wonder what Lebanon will be like in 10 years 15 years?
    I think everyone deep down knows that Lebanon is done with (or least the Lebanon we once knew)
    Words cant describe how much i hate Hezbollah.

    • LF the future is now!!! believe half what you see and none of what you hear!

      My profiling experience is partly from reading depositions and the answer to your question is simply read the comments as I do. It paint a true picture of how people truly feel for one another.
      the very small minority have become wise and reject the failures of the past but many still subscribe to denial and superiority mind set that are driven by greed and arrogance, there are very few lebanese from all walks that would not return to their vomit but unfortunetly are outnumbered by trouble makers.

      • 5thDrawer

        Hell Geo .. even feeling it was safe to visit would be a ‘one-up’ moment. 🙂

        • 5th, I have done the orbitz exercise more than a dozen times the last few months but chickened out at the end of the booking, it would be nice to get away and disconnect from 80 hour weeks but I dont know if I can stomach all the drama, I just want to see some childhood friends and eat knafey till I am diabetic , do you think my visa will be denied if I say I am on a mission to eat 100,000 knafey? 🙂

          I wonder if zabada is going to label this christian sugar terrorism :)P

          • 5thDrawer

            Hehehehehe … Geo, it’s so sad I have to laugh. I’d chance the diabetes to see some friends – who are living in a form of hell. But I don’t think I’d get off the road from the airport … religion-stamp or not. Those ‘personal moments’ were intense enough the last time …
            And yes, Zabada is a descent guy, but as we say ‘in the mold’. And I doubt he likes a good Scotch either. :-))

    • Esther Fernandez

      we are with you brother

  • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    It’s a battle ground between Iran and Saudi with the Christians stuck in the middle…..like Syria!

  • Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    It’s a battle ground between Iran and Saudi with the Christians stuck in the middle…..like Syria!