Army to probe abuse of Assir supporter

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lebanon army abuseThe  Lebanese army will investigate alleged abuse by its troops against a  supporter of  the radical Salafist cleric Ahmed al-Asir, whose men fought the army  in  the Abra area of the southern city of Sidon, a military source said Thursday.

The decision on the probe comes after an amateur video emerged showing several troops kicking and humiliating a suspect after tying his hands behind his back during his interrogation.

Asir 45  remains  at large. 17  troops were killed in the Abra clash.

“The commander in chief of the armed forces General Jean Kahwaji has ordered a major investigation” into the abuse incident, a military source told AFP on Thursday.

“Those guilty, whatever their rank may be, will be punished because these are acts that go against the ethics of the army.”

In the video the man was heard saying that he worked in al-Assir’s mosque, but that he has no weapons and had nothing to do with the fighting.

“I have no weapons… I don’t like him (al-Assir), may God curse him,” said the man.

“Liar!” said one of the soldiers that abused him.

The video shows one man in civilian clothing hitting the suspect.

There were reports that the civilian was one of the Hezbollah member or Amal members that helped the army during its clash with Assir followers , but both Amal and Hezbollah denied any role in the fighting.

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235 responses to “Army to probe abuse of Assir supporter”

  1. Amine123 Avatar
    Amine123

    I wonder if the army will do the same for HA? does it represent all the Lebanese?

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      I guess we will find out if the Hezbos attack and kill soldiers in the army. I just don’t think they will stoop to the level of these walking brooms.

      1. man-o-war Avatar
        man-o-war

        They only represent the Lebanese that don’t attack and kill 17 soldiers

      2. AntiFSA Avatar

        Walking brooms, Ha Ha Ha Ha. I like it, however not trying to correct you, but I think toilet broom would best describe them.

  2. Amine123 Avatar
    Amine123

    I wonder if the army will do the same for HA? does it represent all the Lebanese?

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      I guess we will find out if the Hezbos attack and kill soldiers in the army. I just don’t think they will stoop to the level of these walking brooms.

      1. man-o-war Avatar
        man-o-war

        They only represent the Lebanese that don’t attack and kill 17 soldiers

      2. AntiFSA Avatar

        Walking brooms, Ha Ha Ha Ha. I like it, however

  3. The military needs to remain above these animals and not stoop to their level. If you’re going to kick this guy around for what you believe he did don’t film it. These guys need to punished for filming this and posting it online (also a little slap on the wrist for beating an unarmed man). Dumba** move!

  4. man-o-war Avatar
    man-o-war

    The military needs to remain above these animals and not stoop to their level. If you’re going to kick this guy around for what you believe he did don’t film it. These guys need to punished for filming this and posting it online (also a little slap on the wrist for beating an unarmed man). Dumba** move!

  5. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
    hezzies are terrorists

    Quick bring in the cheerleaders 🙂

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      Like how you cheer for Assir and his thugs for killing our military? Why would anyone support that terrorist? The guy is a walking broom with an IQ of a broom stick. I hope to see a video soon of somebody dragging him around by his beard.

      1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
        hezzies are terrorists

        another brain dead cheerleader.

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          Another useless tool! Where were you when your bff Assir was crying for your help? Why didn’t you join the jihad against civilization?

          1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            Like i said, brain dead.

          2. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Is that why you can’t answer the questions?

          3. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            brain dead lol

          4. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            I think you just went full retard! Wishing you a speedy recovery.

            ..I.. ( *_* ) ..I..

          5. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            brain dead.

  6. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
    hezzies are terrorists

    Quick bring in the cheerleaders 🙂

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      Like how you cheer for Assir and his thugs for killing our military? Why would anyone support that terrorist? The guy is a walking broom with an IQ of a broom stick. I hope to see a video soon of somebody dragging him around by his beard.

      1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
        hezzies are terrorists

        another brain dead cheerleader.

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          Another useless tool! Where were you when your bff Assir was crying for your help? Why didn’t you join the jihad against civilization?

          1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            Like i said, brain dead.

          2. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Is that why you can’t answer the questions?

          3. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            brain dead lol

          4. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            I think you just went full retard! Wishing you a speedy recovery.

            ..I.. ( *_* ) ..I..

          5. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            brain dead.

  7. Reasonableman Avatar
    Reasonableman

    All you hear in this video is YA HASSAN YA HASSAN and you see the mens faces as clear as daylight they really shouldnt have trouble finding the criminals behind this. The queation is will they grow a pair and actually do something about it? Doubt it

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      Criminals? Maybe assault charges in some western nations, but in the Arab world? I don’t think so. Not after what he and the dirt bags he was hanging out with did. They just lost 17 comrades and all they did was beat on him for a minute. He was still talking and his head was still attached to his shoulders. Don’t think the a**holes he was supporting would have been so kind to a captured soldier. They were in the wrong for beating on him for a bit and really dumb for filming and then posting online. They deserve a slap on the wrist and the person in command should be demoted.

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Mayte im positive assault is a criminal charge and coming from a high position as the lebanese army is even worse. Better yet you speak like you know already what the victoms injuries were? He could be traumatised he could have been maliciously wounded and they could have attempted to kill him. 15 guys with guns and steel caps kicking and belting an unarmed weak civilian im sure they meant more than to teach him a lesson maybe tried to kill him. If you can justify this then what happened to negligance of the law is no excuse? Ofcourse if your a supporta of HA youll be asking me “what law”??

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          “They were in the wrong for beating on him for a bit and really dumb for filming and then posting online. They deserve a slap on the wrist and the person in command should be demoted.” Nothing more!

          I can justify some pissed off soldiers beating up a captured enemy combatant. Especially when he was aiding and abetting a terrorist that led an attack that resulted in the death of 17 of their comrades.

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            “The decision on the probe comes after an amateur video emerged showing several troops kicking and humiliating a suspect after tying his hands behind his back during his interrogation.” Keyword “suspect”

            In the video the man was heard saying that he worked in al-Assir’s mosque, but that he has no weapons and had nothing to do with the fighting.“I have no weapons… I don’t like him (al-Assir), may God curse him,” said the man.“Liar!” said one of the soldiers that abused him.

            So this is what the suspect claims… you claim you can justify some of the soldiers beating him.. and i say he has a right to a fair trial or law of equity being applied innocent until proved guilty, before being stomped on. Not just leader in command be demoted all of them should be put for attempted murder… 15 armed solders bashing unarmed weak man… i can probably see demoted if it was one person kicking him but there are atleast 15 in the video.

            Another thing is i have to admit you suck at lieing and i can see your attempts to use common law as a means of justifying and winning approval by the people on this blog and attract people to HA (and they dont even use common law as their motivation) but watch out what your trying to justify we were not born yesterday and only a ja7ash byi shuf l 3alem edemo ja7ash.

          2. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Attract people to HA? WTF are you talking about?

            I don’t see his hands tied. Maybe you’re watching a different video.
            I see you’re the one telling lies and trying to justify your jihadi brothers actions. The “unarmed weak man” said he used to like Assir, but not anymore after what just happened. If you’re going to quote the video do it accurately. He used to like the terrorist scum! Assir did not undergo a transformation overnight. His been an a**hole for a long time.

            “attempted murder”, you’re a freaking joker aren’t you?

            He claims to be innocent, but no one knows for sure. His word against theirs. I agree that he should get a fair trial. I also don’t mind him getting a little roughed up on his way to jail.

            I’m curious, what do you think should happen to Assir when his arrested? Do you think he was justified in starting a battle with the army and killing his own people? I have a feeling he will get his a** beat even harder when he is captured. Can’t wait for the upload!!!!!!

          3. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Thats your opinion you hate assir since he first stood up against hzblshayton and asked for equity and to hand over their weapons. What happened with the lebanesearmy and his followers was an excuse for you to blame all Hizblshaytons shortcomings and corruption in lebanon on him and this is all before an investigation took place. Do you think a man who intended to fight the lebanese army will leave his wife and his belongings where any body could reach them incase 100 fighters could win? He had no intention and was setup and we will see a video of nasrlaats head being used as a soccer ball.

          4. dateam Avatar

            Again you seek justice for the twit caught who is probably not even lebanese and now that he is caught will rat on everyone to try and save his skin and then you make a comment of someones head being used as a soccer ball…what is this fascination with cutting peoples heads off?

          5. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            I do not seek justice for him. I seek justice for his cause! i just refuse to believe what anything you say is the reason behind the shootings in sidon and would rather wait for an investigation to take place.

          6. dateam Avatar

            Do you think a man who intended to fight the lebanese army will leave his wife and his belongings where any body could reach them incase 100 fighters could win? He had no intention and was setup…No he wasnt set up and I will tell you why….The majority of the troops killed were killed at the start….Most of the dead troops were killed with one shot from snipers in elavated positions…chest,head and neck…1 shot 1 kill….assir ambushed the army…this was intended purely to split the army and cause sectarian strife….the armies position at the checkpoint was pinned down from snipers in an elevated positions. Most of assirs fighters were hidden. I have seen pictures of some of the dead soldiers…1 shot 1 kill. This has been verified by some of the parents of the dead officers. Dont bring up anyone else this has nothing to do with anyone else…this is cold blooded murder….I ask you since you seem to know everything…who armed assir? Who financed him? who gave him political backing? Who supplied him with the foreign fighters ( syrians,palestinians,yemeni just to name a few? ) What the F did the army and these young men have to do with anything?

          7. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            “Dont bring up anyone else this has nothing to do with anyone else..”

            LMFAO

            LOL
            HAHAHAHA
            you’re a friggin hypocrite

          8. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Have i ever told you the story of the boy who cried wolf? You keep crying foreign fighters in lebanon and there have been no evidence to prove otherwise.

          9. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            There are many people who liked Assir until recently. Word on the street is he’s regaining support due to an openly biased army.

          10. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            bias against terrorist and their supporters.

          11. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Yes, your right. I’m referring to Hezbollah

      2. MekensehParty Avatar
        MekensehParty

        ahh so now you see this side of the story
        Your agree with US soldiers beating Iraqis or Afghani?
        Now you agree with Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo?
        Because these Heroes of yours conveniently turned terrorists did kill Americans so yeah, makes sense to torture them or beat them right?

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          You’re really comparing this incident to Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo? Where did you see this guy getting tortured? Get out of here with that nonsense! I think its wrong to beat an enemy that has surrendered and as I have already stated they should be reprimanded and the commanding officer demoted. Its understandable why they roughed him up a bit, but it was still deplorable. Your turn. Go ahead and denounce what Assir and his cronies did. As well as the treatment of unarmed captives by the like minded jihadist in Syria.

          1. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Whats not to compare? islamists kill americans, americans soldiers behave like cases, same thing. only for you its ok to slap the LA on the hand but almawtoo li amrika for the same.
            Confused huh? You were not expecting this come back that shut down ur brain which can’t do two moves ahead huh? Pfffff sarsour
            Until now very few know what happened in that minute between calm and mayhem and I’m certainly not waiting for the Lebanese media suckin up to that corrupt army to inform me. This army is well known to be very unprofessional and its personnel sold to outside forces. Am I going to blindly believe that asir started this whole sh!t just because you or kahwaji said so? Fashar!!!
            Halat al asir as you call it is not over yet, look at tripoli yesterday, the videos of the croud replacing Hariri’s picture by asir’s tells it all. But isn’t that the direct result of your actions when you kill and banish moderate Sunnis? Who will replace the moderate but the fanatic? Asir is not on my consciousness, he’s on yours, you created him and now you deal with the likes of him!
            Alf sahtein
            Mana’ich mana’ich sang asir on his bicycle

          2. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            WTF are you talking about? I never supported American soldiers bad behavior and most of the ones that committed crimes against prisoners were punished. Wow! What a come back you have. Sarsour? You and the zealots you support are the only bugs and hopefully soon you will be squashed beneath the boot of the LAF.

            Yeah what happened in Tripoli tells me the crowd is full of terrorist sympathizers and need to be monitored closely.

            How about you and your ilk stop blaming others and own your actions. Or should we call you a waambulance?

            You’re right you should not believe what the LAF said or the media or what the terrorist scum Assir said with his own dirty mouth. I’m sure the coward al-assir is a peaceful muslim that just wanted to show his appreciation for his fellow countrymen. He is just misunderstood and the bullets were happy bullets. He was trying to shower them with love. Right?

            So I guess the answer to my question earlier is that you will not denounce what Assir did. You support his actions against the military that is made up of at least 40-50% Sunni muslims. You are just scum like him and deserve to have your citizenship revoked.

            “But isn’t that the direct result of your actions when you kill and banish moderate Sunnis? Who will replace the moderate but the fanatic? Asir is not on my consciousness, he’s on yours, you created him and now you deal with the likes of him!” What is it with all your accusations? Turd! Get your head out of the coward al assir a** and breath in the fresh air. Your brain needs it.

          3. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            hahaha panic time right? you want to monitor thousands of hot heads that will soon flock to your front yard beheading everything? how may I ask. Half the fighters of your party are in Syria fighting with bashar and returning in bags. The other half are busy keeping the peace between each other as Hezbollah drug lords are fighting each others for territory, and all the shia are praying that Israel stays calm in that period of intense weakness because this time shia refugees can’t run to Syria, nor will they be welcome in Lebanese homes as was the case in 2006.
            I repeat that asir is not on my consciousness. He is YOUR problem. You created him, you encouraged his rise and now you deal with his actions.
            To denounce his actions I need to know what really happened and up until today nobody can prove that what was said is the truth. And even if it happened exactly as the army is saying it happened I say: batikh ykassir ba3do.
            I’ll support the army when the army will be for ALL Lebanese, not flexing its muscles on some and cowaring with others.
            What’s coming your way, and I tell you from now what it is: fighting, blood, explosions, beheadings, civil war… is all what you have been building this country for and I tell you mabrouk salaf(ist)
            yek yek yek

    2. dateam Avatar

      Are you for real? While I do not condone this by the army when you compare it to what their comrades have gone through this is nothing…find me one army in the world that havent done this when they capture terrorists…if it was the other way round they would have cut the soldiers heads off and paraded them around. Now go to youtube and type in nusra behead syrian priest and man in idlib…the same people supported by the likes of assir…watch the video if you have the stomach for it…watch how in front of a crowd including children how they behead the priest ( francois murad) watch how they chant watch how the children stand over the decapitated bodies and how the people parade their heads around. Watch and listen how they chant takfir and allahuakbar….Have you seen any pictures of the dead leb soldiers from saida? Did you ever see any pictures of the dead soldiers from naher elbared…..? Hes not chanting ya hassan his commander is calling out to him and saying ya hassan…dont bother responding unless you watch the video of the people your assir supports.

      1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
        hezzies are terrorists

        and the cheerleaders have arrived.
        Didn’t take you long and glad u didn’t disappoint me.

        1. dateam Avatar

          And how is my comment related to what your saying please explain? Now your going to stoop to the level of the ignorant and tell me assir was justified in what he did because hzb has weapons correct?

          1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            Would we be having this discussion if the hezzies didn’t have weapons?

          2. dateam Avatar

            And the dead soldiers in arsal they too were because of hzb? Thanks for proving my point…watch the YouTube clip is that the hzb fault as well?

          3. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            Don’t jump around like a fish out of water. You asked about a specific matter and now you want to bring every other incident into the debate when that wasn’t what you had asked initially..

          4. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            You replied to his question with a question, idiot!

          5. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            brain dead

          6. dateam Avatar

            Thats the typical reaction we get now…when it dosent go your way you dont want to play anymore…i asked you what is your opinion of what happened in arsal? I ask you this because i have accepted your going to use the excuse of saida to blame on hzb but arsal was long before the hzb went into qusar? I ask you have you watched the youtube clip i described above? If yes what do you trhink? Is this your fight for freedom for syria? Is this how human beings behaved? I ask you what is your opinion of the mob that killed the preacher and dragged him around in egypt? Are these not all people that your excuse for a human being assir supports?What is your view in fadi sheker describing how he killed 2 troops and injured others and calling them pigs? I ask you what does this have to do with hzb weapons? What logic do you follow? What rational do you use to justify this? What did you think was going to be achieved from assir doing what he did? “You asked about a specific matter and now you want to bring every other incident into the debate when that wasn’t what you had asked initially..” Isnt that was assir did? He is that demented he kills our soldiers then asks for sunnis to leave the army and join in his fight? But wait after calling everyone else pigs and scum he says you are more than welcome to join in…???Fight for what? Please explain? If he was all that then why didnt he straight out go after the hzb? Go through history and look at it…since the taif the 3 biggest battles our army has had has been in deniyeh,naher elbared and now saida? against who? You better tuck your skirt in because now the army will never hold back….you want these guys arrested and charged? fair enough but i dont here you asking the questions of where is assir? who funded him? who provided his arms? who has given him political coverage? Hes a one hit wonder until the next one comes along…Your sectarian mentality is typical of the disease spreading throughout the middle east….get an education.

          7. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            And i asked you ONE simple question.
            But now i’m going to ask you another: What is the THIS article about???

        2. AntiFSA Avatar

          At the very least, Dateam make sense. You on the other hand. Well what can one say.

      2. AntiFSA Avatar

        Whats sad is people only want to see and hear what suits them. The truth you talk about is to scary for them. So don’t bother with them bro.

      3. The real lebanese Avatar
        The real lebanese

        Great idea!! Lets torture the janitor of the mosque because my friend was killed by someone this guy says he doesn’t he doesn’t even like anymore. (You can clearly see the level of thought from March 8)

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          Torture? That is a joke! He said he doesn’t like him anymore after what just happened. The “janitor” worked in a terrorist epicenter and knew very well what was going on in there. He is complicit through association with a known criminal. If he was smart he would have alerted the authorities of the terrorist activities taken place at his work.

          1. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Thinking like this is what will throw Lebanon into a war. Not all the Sunnis who went to the mosque support assirs views.

          2. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Really? But what Assir did and said would not throw Lebanon into a war? He was trying to get the military to split as well as the country. He is a bastard that deserves what he will soon get.

            I agree there are many peaceful tolerant Sunnis in Lebanon and I support them. I hope they raise their voices over the fanatics and stand united with the military and their fellow countrymen.

            I’m curious, how do you know the guy is a janitor? Did he say it in the video?

          3. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Its moderating my message because i said (h e l l ) -___-

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Hi Real …. and yes, curious thing that … I had it happen too … the ‘auto-checking Bots’ don’t seem to like it … programme must have been written by a Baptist. 😉
            Fun to experiment sometimes …. but an aggravation if you said more than that … and weirdly ‘Heaven’ is ok, when both words are actually IN ‘The Books’. :-)))
            I can’t imagine real child-age people being here … even if some act like it … but this is the problem with not hiring enough people to ‘moderate’ and pass ‘civility judgments’ and keep our children ‘safe’.
            (And I’m sure the CIA/FBI/KGB/ISF/Etc, etc, have plonked in a few ‘choice’ words to alert the bots – sometimes named Worms – to send your messages to those ‘interested’ parties. I have said this before, of course, and I’m really certain by this time they ALL monitor everything I do anywhere I am. The problem is, they don’t read (or understand perhaps) the whole of my messages. :-)))

            P.S. Sometimes the ‘Bot’ just holds it until a real person gets a look and might release your thoughts if they were not toooo nasty. 🙂

            P.P.S. You can see why ‘they’ don’t like certain programmes on cell-phones, or even the phones themselves. The en crip tion codes hide my nude beach pics.

          5. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Ill just redo it. I dont support Assir and never did. And what he did IS throwing Lebanon into a war. But I can understand why some Sunnis would want to follow him. How many Sunni leaders have you seen step up and challenge Hezbollah like he did in the last year. And Assir only had one incident and the army raids pretty much the neighborhood. What about Hezbollah? I dont even know how many incidents they have had and Ive never seen the army take action against them. And now an abuse video by the army to someone who is supposedly innocent and claims to not even like Assir? It makes you wonder if the Sunnis are FEELING targeted. I hope the army doesnt lose its legitamicy or I fear Lebanon will be worse than Syria. And i actually think its the link that I put is the previous reason why my message is being checked. Its on the daily star website for Lebanon so go check it out. However I dont recall him saying it in the video so I cant confirm.

          6. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            I also don’t support Assir or what the military did to one of his supporters, but I understand why they did it.

            I’m not sure exactly why the military does not move against the hezbos, but I have a few ideas.

            One reason could be that the western government has neutered the LAF for fear they would turn their guns on their bff Israel. Nobody is willing to arm them with enough firepower to challenge the militia (while the hezbos get supplied with whatever they want through Iran and Syria, probably an underlying reason for fomenting unrest in Syria) Another theory is that there is a large Shia presence in the military from the bottom up and they sympathize with the hezbo ( I think thats wrong and their loyalty should lie with Lebanon first and foremost, otherwise you see things like this happen).

            Finally, I’m 99% sure that every militia during the civil war that was supposed to turn their weapons did not fully disarm. If they did, they have since rearmed themselves. At least the Hezbos are known to be armed and general idea of what they possess. Everyone else is keeping a secret arsenal and nobody knows what they have. Just look at the armed gangs and militias in Tripoli or Assirs gang in Sidon. Armed to the teeth! I guess you could say that its a reaction to the arms kept by the Hezbo. Who are we to believe?

    3. AntiFSA Avatar

      Had they said YA UMAR, that would have obviously made you feel better hey Reasonable

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Try to understand anti that i did not post that they were saying ya HASSAN to turn this secterian but if you read my hole post MAYBE just maybe youll see what i mean was that his face was showing and his name mentioned so it shouldnt be hard to find him.

        1. dateam Avatar

          id prefer to read your WHOLE post rather than your hole!

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Dateam clean your nose its gone so brown i wouldve lent you the degreaser in the shed but even that wont help you.

  8. Reasonableman Avatar
    Reasonableman

    All you hear in this video is YA HASSAN YA HASSAN and you see the mens faces as clear as daylight they really shouldnt have trouble finding the criminals behind this. The queation is will they grow a pair and actually do something about it? Doubt it

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      Criminals? Maybe assault charges in some western nations, but in the Arab world? I don’t think so. Not after what he and the dirt bags he was hanging out with did. They just lost 17 comrades and all they did was beat on him for a minute. He was still talking and his head was still attached to his shoulders. Don’t think the a**holes he was supporting would have been so kind to a captured soldier. They were in the wrong for beating on him for a bit and really dumb for filming and then posting online. They deserve a slap on the wrist and the person in command should be demoted.

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Mayte im positive assault is a criminal charge and coming from a high position as the lebanese army is even worse. Better yet you speak like you know already what the victoms injuries were? He could be traumatised he could have been maliciously wounded and they could have attempted to kill him. 15 guys with guns and steel caps kicking and belting an unarmed weak civilian im sure they meant more than to teach him a lesson maybe tried to kill him. If you can justify this then what happened to negligance of the law is no excuse? Ofcourse if your a supporta of HA youll be asking me “what law”??

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          “They were in the wrong for beating on him for a bit and really dumb for filming and then posting online. They deserve a slap on the wrist and the person in command should be demoted.” Nothing more!

          I can justify some pissed off soldiers beating up a captured enemy combatant. Especially when he was aiding and abetting a terrorist that led an attack that resulted in the death of 17 of their comrades.

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            “The decision on the probe comes after an amateur video emerged showing several troops kicking and humiliating a suspect after tying his hands behind his back during his interrogation.” Keyword “suspect”

            In the video the man was heard saying that he worked in al-Assir’s mosque, but that he has no weapons and had nothing to do with the fighting.“I have no weapons… I don’t like him (al-Assir), may God curse him,” said the man.“Liar!” said one of the soldiers that abused him.

            So this is what the suspect claims… you claim you can justify some of the soldiers beating him.. and i say he has a right to a fair trial or law of equity being applied innocent until proved guilty, before being stomped on. Not just leader in command be demoted all of them should be put for attempted murder… 15 armed solders bashing unarmed weak man… i can probably see demoted if it was one person kicking him but there are atleast 15 in the video.

            Another thing is i have to admit you suck at lieing and i can see your attempts to use common law as a means of justifying and winning approval by the people on this blog and attract people to HA but watch out what your trying to justify we were not born yesterday and only a ja7ash byi shuf l 3alem edemo ja7ash.

          2. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Attract people to HA? WTF are you talking about?

            I don’t see his hands tied. Maybe you’re watching a different video.
            I see you’re the one telling lies and trying to justify your jihadi brothers actions. The “unarmed weak man” said he used to like Assir, but not anymore after what just happened. If you’re going to quote the video do it accurately. He used to like the terrorist scum! Assir did not undergo a transformation overnight. His been an a**hole for a long time.

            “attempted murder”, you’re a freaking joker aren’t you?

            He claims to be innocent, but no one knows for sure. His word against theirs. I agree that he should get a fair trial. I also don’t mind him getting a little roughed up on his way to jail.

            I’m curious, what do you think should happen to Assir when his arrested? Do you think he was justified in starting a battle with the army and killing his own people? I have a feeling he will get his a** beat even harder when he is captured. Can’t wait for the upload!!!!!!

          3. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Thats your opinion you hate assir since he first stood up against hzblshayton and asked for equity and to hand over their weapons. What happened with the lebanesearmy and his followers was an excuse for you to blame all Hizblshaytons shortcomings and corruption in lebanon on him and this is all before an investigation took place. Do you think a man who intended to fight the lebanese army will leave his wife and his belongings where any body could reach them incase 100 fighters could win? He had no intention and was setup and we will see a video of nasrlaats head being used as a soccer ball.

          4. dateam Avatar

            Again you seek justice for the twit caught who is probably not even lebanese and now that he is caught will rat on everyone to try and save his skin and then you make a comment of someones head being used as a soccer ball…what is this fascination with cutting peoples heads off?

          5. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            I do not seek justice for him. I seek justice for his cause! i just refuse to believe what anything you say is the reason behind the shootings in sidon and would rather wait for an investigation to take place.

          6. dateam Avatar

            Do you think a man who intended to fight the lebanese army will leave his wife and his belongings where any body could reach them incase 100 fighters could win? He had no intention and was setup…No he wasnt set up and I will tell you why….The majority of the troops killed were killed at the start….Most of the dead troops were killed with one shot from snipers in elavated positions…chest,head and neck…1 shot 1 kill….assir ambushed the army…this was intended purely to split the army and cause sectarian strife….the armies position at the checkpoint was pinned down from snipers in an elevated positions. Most of assirs fighters were hidden. I have seen pictures of some of the dead soldiers…1 shot 1 kill. This has been verified by some of the parents of the dead officers. Dont bring up anyone else this has nothing to do with anyone else…this is cold blooded murder….I ask you since you seem to know everything…who armed assir? Who financed him? who gave him political backing? Who supplied him with the foreign fighters ( syrians,palestinians,yemeni just to name a few? ) What the F did the army and these young men have to do with anything?

          7. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            “Dont bring up anyone else this has nothing to do with anyone else..”

            LMFAO

            LOL
            HAHAHAHA
            you’re a friggin hypocrite

          8. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Have i ever told you the story of the boy who cried wolf? You keep crying foreign fighters in lebanon and there have been no evidence to prove otherwise.

          9. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            There are many people who liked Assir until recently. Word on the street is he’s regaining support due to an openly biased army.

          10. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            bias against terrorist and their supporters.

          11. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Yes, your right. I’m referring to Hezbollah

      2. MekensehParty Avatar
        MekensehParty

        ahh so now you see this side of the story
        Your agree with US soldiers beating Iraqis or Afghani?
        Now you agree with Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo?
        Because these Heroes of yours conveniently turned terrorists did kill Americans so yeah, makes sense to torture them or beat them right?

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          You’re really comparing this incident to Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo? Where did you see this guy getting tortured? Get out of here with that nonsense! I think its wrong to beat an enemy that has surrendered and as I have already stated they should be reprimanded and the commanding officer demoted. Its understandable why they roughed him up a bit, but it was still deplorable. Your turn. Go ahead and denounce what Assir and his cronies did. As well as the treatment of unarmed captives by the like minded jihadist in Syria.

          1. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Whats not to compare? islamists kill americans, americans soldiers behave like cases, same thing. only for you its ok to slap the LA on the hand but almawtoo li amrika for the same.
            Confused huh? You were not expecting this come back that shut down ur brain which can’t do two moves ahead huh? Pfffff sarsour
            Until now very few know what happened in that minute between calm and mayhem and I’m certainly not waiting for the Lebanese media suckin up to that corrupt army to inform me. This army is well known to be very unprofessional and its personnel sold to outside forces. Am I going to blindly believe that asir started this whole sh!t just because you or kahwaji said so? Fashar!!!
            Halat al asir as you call it is not over yet, look at tripoli yesterday, the videos of the croud replacing Hariri’s picture by asir’s tells it all. But isn’t that the direct result of your actions when you kill and banish moderate Sunnis? Who will replace the moderate but the fanatic? Asir is not on my consciousness, he’s on yours, you created him and now you deal with the likes of him!
            Alf sahtein
            Mana’ich mana’ich sang asir on his bicycle

          2. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            WTF are you talking about? I never supported American soldiers bad behavior and most of the ones that committed crimes against prisoners were punished. Wow! What a come back you have. Sarsour? You and the zealots you support are the only bugs and hopefully soon you will be squashed beneath the boot of the LAF.

            Yeah what happened in Tripoli tells me the crowd is full of terrorist sympathizers and need to be monitored closely.

            How about you and your ilk stop blaming others and own your actions. Or should we call you a waambulance?

            You’re right you should not believe what the LAF said or the media or what the terrorist scum Assir said with his own dirty mouth. I’m sure the coward al-assir is a peaceful muslim that just wanted to show his appreciation for his fellow countrymen. He is just misunderstood and the bullets were happy bullets. He was trying to shower them with love. Right?

            So I guess the answer to my question earlier is that you will not denounce what Assir did. You support his actions against the military that is made up of at least 40-50% Sunni muslims. You are just scum like him and deserve to have your citizenship revoked.

            “But isn’t that the direct result of your actions when you kill and banish moderate Sunnis? Who will replace the moderate but the fanatic? Asir is not on my consciousness, he’s on yours, you created him and now you deal with the likes of him!” What is it with all your accusations? Turd! Get your head out of the coward al assir a** and breath in the fresh air. Your brain needs it.

          3. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            hahaha panic time right? you want to monitor thousands of hot heads that will soon flock to your front yard beheading everything? how may I ask. Half the fighters of your party are in Syria fighting with bashar and returning in bags. The other half are busy keeping the peace between each other as Hezbollah drug lords are fighting each others for territory, and all the shia are praying that Israel stays calm in that period of intense weakness because this time shia refugees can’t run to Syria, nor will they be welcome in Lebanese homes as was the case in 2006.
            I repeat that asir is not on my consciousness. He is YOUR problem. You created him, you encouraged his rise and now you deal with his actions.
            To denounce his actions I need to know what really happened and up until today nobody can prove that what was said is the truth. And even if it happened exactly as the army is saying it happened I say: batikh ykassir ba3do.
            I’ll support the army when the army will be for ALL Lebanese, not flexing its muscles on some and cowarding with others.
            What’s coming your way, and I tell you from now what it is: fighting, blood, explosions, beheadings, civil war… is all what you have been building this country for and I tell you mabrouk salaf(ist)
            yek yek yek

    2. dateam Avatar

      Are you for real? While I do not condone this by the army when you compare it to what their comrades have gone through this is nothing…find me one army in the world that havent done this when they capture terrorists…if it was the other way round they would have cut the soldiers heads off and paraded them around. Now go to youtube and type in nusra behead syrian priest…the same people supported by the likes of assir…watch the videa if you have the stomach for it…watch how in front of a crowd including children how they behead the priest ( francois murad) watch how they chant watch how the children stand over the decapitated bodies and how the people parade their heads around. Watch and listen how they chant takfir and allahuakbar….Have you seen any pictures of the dead leb sildiers from saida? Did you ever see any pictures of the dead soldiers from naher elbared…..? Hes not chanting ya hassan his commander is calling out to him and saying ya hassan…dont bother responding unless you watch the video of the people your assir supports.

      1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
        hezzies are terrorists

        and the cheerleaders have arrived.
        Didn’t take you long and glad u didn’t disappoint me.

        1. dateam Avatar

          And how is my comment related to what your saying please explain? Now your going to stoop to the level of the ignorant and tell me assir was justified in what he did because hzb has weapons correct?

          1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            Would we be having this discussion if the hezzies didn’t have weapons?

          2. dateam Avatar

            And the dead soldiers in arsal they too were because of hzb? Thanks for proving my point…watch the YouTube clip is that the hzb fault as well?

          3. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            Don’t jump around like a fish out of water. You asked about a specific matter and now you want to bring every other incident into the debate when that wasn’t what you had asked initially..

          4. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            You replied to his question with a question, idiot!

          5. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            brain dead

          6. dateam Avatar

            Thats the typical reaction we get now…when it dosent go your way you dont want to play anymore…i asked you what is your opinion of what happened in arsal? I ask you this because i have accepted your going to use the excuse of saida to blame on hzb but arsal was long before the hzb went into qusar? I ask you have you watched the youtube clip i described above? If yes what do you trhink? Is this your fight for freedom for syria? Is this how human beings behaved? I ask you what is your opinion of the mob that killed the preacher and dragged him around in egypt? Are these not all people that your excuse for a human being assir supports?What is your view in fadi sheker describing how he killed 2 troops and injured others and calling them pigs? I ask you what does this have to do with hzb weapons? What logic do you follow? What rational do you use to justify this? What did you think was going to be achieved from assir doing what he did? “You asked about a specific matter and now you want to bring every other incident into the debate when that wasn’t what you had asked initially..” Isnt that was assir did? He is that demented he kills our soldiers then asks for sunnis to leave the army and join in his fight? But wait after calling everyone else pigs and scum he says you are more than welcome to join in…???Fight for what? Please explain? If he was all that then why didnt he straight out go after the hzb? Go through history and look at it…since the taif the 3 biggest battles our army has had has been in deniyeh,naher elbared and now saida? against who? You better tuck your skirt in because now the army will never hold back….you want these guys arrested and charged? fair enough but i dont here you asking the questions of where is assir? who funded him? who provided his arms? who has given him political coverage? Hes a one hit wonder until the next one comes along…Your sectarian mentality is typical of the disease spreading throughout the middle east….get an education.

          7. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            And i asked you ONE simple question.
            But now i’m going to ask you another: What is the THIS article about???

        2. AntiFSA Avatar

          At the very least, Dateam make sense. You on the other hand. Well what can one say.

      2. AntiFSA Avatar

        Whats sad is people only want to see and hear what suits them. The truth you talk about is to scary for them. So don’t bother with them bro.

      3. The real lebanese Avatar
        The real lebanese

        Great idea!! Lets torture the janitor of the mosque because my friend was killed by someone this guy says he doesn’t he doesn’t even like anymore. (You can clearly see the level of thought from March 8)

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          Torture? That is a joke! He said he doesn’t like him anymore after what just happened. The “janitor” worked in a terrorist epicenter and knew very well what was going on in there. He is complicit through association with a known criminal. If he was smart he would have alerted the authorities of the terrorist activities taken place at his work.

          1. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Thinking like this is what will throw Lebanon into a war. Not all the Sunnis who went to the mosque support assirs views.

          2. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Really? But what Assir did and said would not throw Lebanon into a war? He was trying to get the military to split as well as the country. He is a bastard that deserves what he will soon get.

            I agree there are many peaceful tolerant Sunnis in Lebanon and I support them. I hope they raise their voices over the fanatics and stand united with the military and their fellow countrymen.

            I’m curious, how do you know the guy is a janitor? Did he say it in the video?

          3. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Its moderating my message because i said (h e l l ) -___-

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Hi Real …. and yes, curious thing that … I had it happen too … the ‘auto-checking Bots’ don’t seem to like it … programme must have been written by a Baptist. 😉

          5. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Hell

          6. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Ill just redo it. I dont support Assir and never did. And what he did IS throwing Lebanon into a war. But I can understand why some Sunnis would want to follow him. How many Sunni leaders have you seen step up and challenge Hezbollah like he did in the last year. And Assir only had one incident and the army raids pretty much the neighborhood. What about Hezbollah? I dont even know how many incidents they have had and Ive never seen the army take action against them. And now an abuse video by the army to someone who is supposedly innocent and claims to not even like Assir? It makes you wonder if the Sunnis are FEELING targeted. I hope the army doesnt lose its legitamicy or I fear Lebanon will be worse than Syria. And i actually think its the link that I put is the previous reason why my message is being checked. Its on the daily star website for Lebanon so go check it out. However I dont recall him saying it in the video so I cant confirm.

          7. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            I also don’t support Assir or what the military did to one of his supporters, but I understand why they did it.

            I’m not sure exactly why the military does not move against the hezbos, but I have a few ideas.

            One reason could be that the western government has neutered the LAF for fear they would turn their guns on their bff Israel. Nobody is willing to arm them with enough firepower to challenge the militia (while the hezbos get supplied with whatever they want through Iran and Syria, probably an underlying reason for fomenting unrest in Syria) Another theory is that there is a large Shia presence in the military from the bottom up and they sympathize with the hezbo ( I think thats wrong and their loyalty should lie with Lebanon first and foremost, otherwise you see things like this happen).

            Finally, I’m 99% sure that every militia during the civil war that was supposed to turn their weapons did not fully disarm. If they did, they have since rearmed themselves. At least the Hezbos are known to be armed and general idea of what they possess. Everyone else is keeping a secret arsenal and nobody knows what they have. Just look at the armed gangs and militias in Tripoli or Assirs gang in Sidon. Armed to the teeth! I guess you could say that its a reaction to the arms kept by the Hezbo. Who are we to believe?

    3. AntiFSA Avatar

      Had they said YA UMAR, that would have obviously made you feel better hey Reasonable

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Try to understand anti that i did not post that they were saying ya HASSAN to turn this secterian but if you read my hole post MAYBE just maybe youll see what i mean was that his face was showing and his name mentioned so it shouldnt be hard to find him.

        1. dateam Avatar

          id prefer to read your WHOLE post rather than your hole!

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Dateam clean your nose its gone so brown i wouldve lent you the degreaser in the shed but even that wont help you.

  9. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
    hezzies are terrorists

    Wow what a brave army…. over unarmed civilians of course. Yet what does this army do when other countries invade Lebanon? lol

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      How do you know they didn’t disarm the man? Would be smart to do before you question him and beat him like a dog. I’m still waiting for the upload of your bff Assir getting dragged around by his beard.

      1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
        hezzies are terrorists

        When they were beating him he was unarmed. Or are you blind?
        brain dead!

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          I’m not blind. I do think you’re just to dumb to understand what I wrote. He must have been armed at one point or they would not have captured him. He wasn’t an innocent bystander that they just randomly grabbed off the street. Did you see what Assir and his buddies did in Syria to their unarmed captives? They cut off their heads with dull knives to a cheering crowd. They even brought the children to enjoy the barbaric festivities. This is the type of scum the army was going after in Sidon. I’m sure you already know that though. Or are you blind?

          1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            “…. that he has no weapons and had nothing to do with the fighting.”

            So he was disarmed but yet they are asking him if he has weapons.. lmfao
            Brain dead!

          2. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            I guess he should have left he’s workplace when he knew terrorist scum were operating out of it and alerted the authorities. Once he decided to stay in the mosque during the fighting he became complicit. Maybe he is telling the truth, but he’s also surrounded and the coward Al-Assir deserted him. So, he may just be spouting what he thinks will get him out of the situation. Who really knows? Maybe they saw him firing on them earlier and then when he knew they had to surrender he dropped his weapon and played innocent.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Beyond the generally sadistic desires of ‘interrogators’ …..
            The whole point of ‘torture’ Man-O is to get people to confess to what the interrogator wants to hear. And they will. We would all confess anything. And reverse it instantly if that brought more torture.
            Consider that virtually ALL of the ‘confessing’ by tortured human minds is false.
            And we then go to war over ‘confessions’. We are stupid. Right?

          4. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Yes! The whole point of torture or “enhanced interrogation” is to draw out information from the enemy. The guy was saying what he thought they wanted to hear and they were not buying it. It was all and all a stupid incident that should not have happened ( or at the very least not filmed).

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            I’ll give you the ‘up arrow’ if you take away the last bracketed bit. 😉

          6. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Emotional blackmail!

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            hehehehehe
            But it is nice to have the film … perhaps they can make it part of a ‘training-film’ in future.

          8. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            That quote you posted is from the “innocent” man. Why should we believe a man that worked for a terrorist and most definitely knew what was going on in his workplace?

          9. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            LMFAO
            Who said anything about “innocent”??
            I said UNARMED CIVILIANS.

            brain dead

          10. AntiFSA Avatar

            I bet had the tables been turned and that so called innocent man was from Hezbollah, you would be cheering. My ass his innocent. Anybody affiliated with that animal ASSir is in no way innocent mr BRAIN DEAD.

          11. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            We should never torture prisoners no matter what they have done… Every soul is God made and if you kill and torture God is never on your side… If you lose that you lose everything.
            We have to be a country of laws but we have to have one army and one country as well… For now what is stopping us? Hezbollah’s army and state within a state.
            I am certain that this will never end through negotiation. At the end an upper hand will come in and take the toys away from HA and we all lose. Remember 1975? What was the outcome? We all lost…

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Hannibal. If there is only one army and one (good) police force, you could lose HA and all the other idiot ‘militias’ and feel quite comfortable, I’m sure.

          13. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            I agree that torturing prisoners is wrong and a country should not engage in such action. However, it is well known that almost every country in the world practices some sort of torture or “enhanced interrogation” when it comes down to national security. In my opinion, what was done to this man does not equate to torture.

          14. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Right. It is just a sadistic beating by overly-passionate uncontrolled people.
            Finding ‘self-control’ after the heat of a battle has always been difficult.
            Some were never trained in it, either.
            War is hell.

          15. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Correct! It showed a group of soldiers who lacked discipline and a commander who lacked leadership. In the aftermath of losing fellow comrades they let their emotions get the best of them. They lowered themselves (not nearly as low as Assir and his men, the guy still had his head) and let out aggression on a man that had surrendered (this was wrong and stupid). The soldiers should be reprimanded and the commanding officer demoted. What do you think should be done? Do you agree with Mr. Reason that they should be tried for attempted murder?

          16. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Of course not … but he is overly-passionate too.

          17. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Hey 5th how you going??… couldnt help myself but i have to also give an ‘opinion’to back my first ‘opinion’ since the topic has been brought up.. putting them up for trial for attempted murder should be the case like i said 15 armed against 1 unarmed is a pretty good case if it were to happen on the streets thats what anyone would be up against. Does it mean their guilty? Ofcourse not. The onus has to have sufficient enough evidence before comming to a conclusion..
            Why the extremism (overly passionate). The lebanese once had hope maybe dim but there was hope the army may restore some peace on the streets. After what we have witnessed, there will soon be loads more videos being uploaded and loads more claims against the army. The example has to be made to all the aggressors.

            I see you have taken the american approach and been very quiet lately in terms of violence trying not to pick sides but also alleging overly passionate as a conclusion… not complaining actually good game plan thumbs up for sticking to what you know works.

          18. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Well, Reasonable One … we can see someone doesn’t like your friendly ‘Hello’ for some obscure reason. 🙂
            How’s it going?? Well … look around.
            My ‘opinion’ is that ‘Assad and Supreme Being’ are probably succeeding in what they want to foment.
            But, there’s real life too beyond a blog … and we can note some disappear for a while to live it.
            On occasion I wash dishes … and glasses are important. :-)))
            For sure there was hope that the army could keep it down in Tripoli … they might need to create great strife of innocents to do it the hard way.
            The thing about ‘blogging’ is to express oneself … without seeming overly passionate, although only passion could keep one interested in this convoluted mess … in what one hopes is a reasonable way. Seeing that after a time it is mostly futile … because the audience is so small anyway, and the people who should take notes are so far ‘above us’ they never read the thoughts … leads one to want to forget the ‘dialogues’ – just like the politicians do. 😉
            But sometimes, some interest spurts up again … And I can at least Bounce on someone’s head in here.
            At times, I wish I had a pet Kangaroo … :-))

          19. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Yes someone may not like my ‘friedly’ hello’s or just my ‘point’ of view, their hate is the least of my worries.Just the mask they hide behind which rattles me.
            If your washing dishes wash mine with you 🙂
            I actually had to think about it believe me but i managed to shorten your comment to ..get a life.. but hey no hard feelings if thats what you meant im pretty confident in myself im young and goodlooking. If thats not what you meant than i guess im extreme or overly passionate to comprehend what you ment 😉
            Im still a believer that the army generals who treated this poor bloke the way he was treated should be charged with attempted murder like any other normal civilian with a group of 5 or more would be charged if they were to kick into any guy on the street.
            Anyway ive taken a good look around me and i can see unfairly treated people not careing if they have to die to create a future of fairness and equility for there and the next generation to come i see a revoloution in the making in lebanon if they dont hurry up and charge the losers involved in the attack against this man and others and if HA don’t hurry up and hand in their weapons.

          20. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            No … wasn’t telling you to get a life, just noting that even at the greatly advanced and improbable age, I have one….. And, like you, I DO have to wash my own. :-))
            Your reaction might apply in Australian Army code (and Geneva) … Not in Lebanon. Basically, this was sort of ‘toned down’ … but they have a ways to go.

          21. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Ok didn’t think so… buh buh i got lots of monnneeeyyy 😉 lol worth a try. Yeah ive seen worse by the army even experienced worse but the civillians are not dumb anymore when it comes to there rights. I really don’t care if it was a black or a chinese man no offence but my ‘over enthusiasm’ comes down to taking responsibility and treating people how i like to be treated. Thats how i was raised and expect a nation thats on its last legs to take the responsibility and lead by example so the rest can follow. Maybe my expectations are abit high but as they say aim for the stars so that incase you dont make it, atleast you’ll have the moon to fall back on.

          22. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Take a look around Lebanon! It seems NOBODY has handed over their weapons. Look at the armed militias and gangs in Tripoli, Sidon, Beirut for example. There is no trust between the different religious sects, and thats why they all secretly hung on to their weapons or openly as the case is with the Hezbo. More and more are arming themselves everyday.

          23. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            And that is the fault of a ‘Confessional Parliamentary Democracy’ where no-one confesses to anything. 🙂

          24. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            “Every soul is God made”
            I wish you have the same wisdom when attacking homosexuals

          25. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Huh? When did I? The only homo I attacked is you…

          26. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            check who thumbed you up
            tells you who you should be hanging out with since you share the same “values”

          27. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Really? What is your value? a mekenseh? Which side? I bet you both sides are equally good for you…
            It is well known that if you were to discuss a topic I won’t shy from a discussion… However attacking Lebanon, or attacking me personally is a red line.
            You can criticize the leaders, all of them and I have no problem with that… But do not attack the country as a whole or attack me personally because I will fight back and viciously I must add.

          28. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Again farts on tiles as usual…
            Red lines, let me laugh on ur red lines,
            What are you going to do after I cross the red lines, burn tires?
            I keep telling you, you and that punk anti fsa, stop making it easier for me to show how ignorant you are!
            What’s that bad joke again about the mekenseh and which side it is… .?
            Is that you being “vicious”?
            Khawaftneh… Pfff
            Your new name is foufou al moutawahesh

          29. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            smaa3 ya m2ayyar
            Here is the joke… You stuff the mekenseh up your ass and use the other side to wipe the shit that comes out of your mouth.
            Ya keyboard warrior ya wa7ech enta
            You are so much of a man hiding behind your keyboard but a mouse in reality… So fuck off and find some other idiot like you to whine like the dog you are about where you were born rather than doing something about it.
            Sadda2 7aalo mala mastara… Mekenseh party aal… ruu7 kannis 7aalak men hall dene kella.

          30. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Chou foufou?
            Speak human!

          31. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            jealous? they will thumb your ass if you like up and down… he he

          32. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Man for someone who hates homosexuals you sure fantasize a lot on what to do with asses.
            Did you ever feel that you live in a closet?
            Do you wonder sometime if sex with women is overrated?
            Do you like your new nickname fufu?

          33. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            I still do not understand why you say I hate homosexuals? Really?
            Besides this zealous defense for them…. Hmmmmm Are you trying to be accepted? It is ok do not be shy… We won’t hurt you… Just say you are gay and we will support your plight… One way or another… lol

          34. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Recycling ones jokes is a proof of a lack of imagination.
            Better stay on your “jokes” about asses
            You made anti fsa and manowar roll on the ground laughing
            You have a public and fans, don’t disappoint them by using my jokes

          35. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            ” mr BRAIN DEAD.”

            Lmfao i see you corrected your Freudian slip.
            For those that don’t know, this brain dead buffoon had said “my BRAIN DEAD” prior to correcting itself.

          36. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            It would never happen to Hezbollah

          37. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            He was the janitor…

        2. dateam Avatar

          Have you heard of the term rendition?

          1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            you are not worth wasting time on seeing you have shown what a hypocrite you are. Get back in your kennel.

          2. dateam Avatar

            woof woof…ignorance is bliss.. god bless you …. brother rendition is not a swear word if you feel i have insulted you?…rendition is when a country kidnaps one of its own or someone in their country and sends them to another country where torture laws are less lenient. For example in say the united states they may kidnap someone of saudi background on suspicion of terrorism and they send them to jordan where torture is allowed because in the united states its not. this is used to extract information. So in effect jordan,qatar,saudia arabia,yemen,pakistan.libya now,bahrain,egypt are used to subcontract torture out…. so picture this.. these countries fund terrorists yet are allied with the states…the states then catch them and funnel them back out to one of these states who then torture them to extract information on behalf of the states or allow united states officials to torture them. See how the world is a circus? And I bet you support these countries?

          3. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            “Dont bring up anyone else this has nothing to do with anyone else..”

            did the rspca let you out for the day?

          4. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Hey idiot! Glad to see you’re back. Now get off your knees and quit juggling the Saudi family jewels. You standing up yet? Good! Now that your mouth is freed up you can start answering the questions posed to you. Oh yeah! I almost forgot.

            ..I.. ( *_* ) ..I..

          5. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            The only one on their knees and juggling the family jewels is your mum.
            Btw retard, one can still type while their mouth is closed or is that too difficult for you to understand?

          6. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Hahaha! Nice come back! You make a good point about typing with your mouth full. In that case back on your knees and start juggling!

            Mum? Are you one of those jihadist hiding out in western countries? Australia or Britain?

          7. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            lol i must not be hiding very well if you found me.

    2. dateam Avatar

      I asked you questions earlier which you did not answer…I ask again…do you support the rebels in syria? I assume you do….did you see the video i told you to see? I assume you already have….so if we apply what you just stated “Wow what a brave army…. over unarmed civilians of course. Yet what does this army do when other countries invade Lebanon? ” How brave are your rebels in idlib the other day chopping the head off a priest and parading it around in front of their people including children and taking photos…..yet what have you or your people done for your own dont worry about anyone else but your own …

      1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
        hezzies are terrorists

        “Dont bring up anyone else this has nothing to do with anyone else..”

        They are you own words hahaha
        back in your kennel

    3. dateam Avatar

      God help you….the fact that you made this comment contradicts the name you are using..get it?

  10. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
    hezzies are terrorists

    Wow what a brave army…. over unarmed civilians of course. Yet what does this army do when other countries invade Lebanon? lol

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      How do you know they didn’t disarm the man? Would be smart to do before you question him and beat him like a dog. I’m still waiting for the upload of your bff Assir getting dragged around by his beard.

      1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
        hezzies are terrorists

        When they were beating him he was unarmed. Or are you blind?
        brain dead!

        1. man-o-war Avatar
          man-o-war

          I’m not blind. I do think you’re just to dumb to understand what I wrote. He must have been armed at one point or they would not have captured him. He wasn’t an innocent bystander that they just randomly grabbed off the street. Did you see what Assir and his buddies did in Syria to their unarmed captives? They cut off their heads with dull knives to a cheering crowd. They even brought the children to enjoy the barbaric festivities. This is the type of scum the army was going after in Sidon. I’m sure you already know that though. Or are you blind?

          1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            “…. that he has no weapons and had nothing to do with the fighting.”

            So he was disarmed but yet they are asking him if he has weapons.. lmfao
            Brain dead!

          2. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            I guess he should have left he’s workplace when he knew terrorist scum were operating out of it and alerted the authorities. Once he decided to stay in the mosque during the fighting he became complicit. Maybe he is telling the truth, but he’s also surrounded and the coward Al-Assir deserted him. So, he may just be spouting what he thinks will get him out of the situation. Who really knows? Maybe they saw him firing on them earlier and then when he knew they had to surrender he dropped his weapon and played innocent.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Beyond the generally sadistic desires of ‘interrogators’ …..
            The whole point of ‘torture’ Man-O is to get people to confess to what the interrogator wants to hear. And they will. We would all confess anything. And reverse it instantly if that brought more torture.
            Consider that virtually ALL of the ‘confessing’ by tortured human minds is false.
            And we then go to war over ‘confessions’. We are stupid. Right?

          4. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Yes! The whole point of torture or “enhanced interrogation” is to draw out information from the enemy. The guy was saying what he thought they wanted to hear and they were not buying it. It was all and all a stupid incident that should not have happened ( or at the very least not filmed).

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            I’ll give you the ‘up arrow’ if you take away the last bracketed bit. 😉

          6. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Emotional blackmail!

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            hehehehehe
            But it is nice to have it … perhaps they can make it part of a ‘training-film’ in future.

          8. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            That quote you posted is from the “innocent” man. Why should we believe a man that worked for a terrorist and most definitely knew what was going on in his workplace?

          9. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            LMFAO
            Who said anything about “innocent”??
            I said UNARMED CIVILIANS.

            brain dead

          10. AntiFSA Avatar

            I bet had the tables been turned and that so called innocent man was from Hezbollah, you would be cheering. My ass his innocent. Anybody affiliated with that animal ASSir is in no way innocent my BRAIN DEAD.

          11. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            We should never torture prisoners no matter what they have done… Every soul is God made and if you kill and torture God is never on your side… If you lose that you lose everything.
            We have to be a country of laws but we have to have one army and one country as well… For now what is stopping us? Hezbollah’s army and state within a state.
            I am certain that this will never end through negotiation. At the end an upper hand will come in and take the toys away from HA and we all lose. Remember 1975? What was the outcome? We all lost…

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            If there is only one army and one (good) police force, you could lose HA and feel quite comfortable, I’m sure.

          13. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            I agree that torturing prisoners is wrong and a country should not engage in such action. However, it is well known that almost every country in the world practices some sort of torture or “enhanced interrogation” when it comes down to national security. In my opinion, what was done to this man does not equate to torture.

          14. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Right. It is just a sadistic beating by overly-passionate uncontrolled people.
            Finding ‘self-control’ after the heat of a battle has always been difficult.
            Some were never trained in it, either.

          15. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Correct! It showed a group of soldiers who lacked discipline and a commander who lacked leadership. In the aftermath of losing fellow comrades they let their emotions get the best of them. They lowered themselves (not nearly as low as Assir and his men, the guy still had his head) and let out aggression on a man that had surrendered (this was wrong and stupid). The soldiers should be reprimanded and the commanding officer demoted. What do you think should be done? Do you agree with Mr. Reason that they should be tried for attempted murder?

          16. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Of course not … but he is overly-passionate too.

          17. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Hey 5th how you going??… couldnt help myself but i have to also give an ‘opinion’to back my first ‘opinion’ since the topic has been brought up.. putting them up for trial for attempted murder should be the case like i said 15 armed against 1 unarmed is a pretty good case if it were to happen on the streets thats what anyone would be up against. Does it mean their guilty? Ofcourse not. The onus has to have sufficient enough evidence before comming to a conclusion..
            Why the extremism (overly passionate). The lebanese once had hope maybe dim but there was hope the army may restore some peace on the streets. After what we have witnessed, there will soon be loads more videos being uploaded and loads more claims against the army. The example has to be made to all the aggressors.

            I see you have taken the american approach and been very quiet lately in terms of violence trying not to pick sides but also alleging overly passionate as a conclusion… not complaining actually good game plan thumbs up for sticking to what you know works.

          18. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Well, Reasonable One … we can see someone doesn’t like your friendly ‘Hello’ for some obscure reason. 🙂
            How’s it going?? Well … look around.
            My ‘opinion’ is that ‘Assad and Supreme Being’ are probably succeeding in what they want to foment.
            But, there’s real life too beyond a blog … and we can note some disappear for a while to live it.
            On occasion I wash dishes … and glasses are important. :-)))
            For sure there was hope that the army could keep it down in Tripoli … they might need to create great strife of innocents to do it the hard way.
            The thing about ‘blogging’ is to express oneself … without seeming overly passionate, although only passion could keep one interested in this convoluted mess … in what one hopes is a reasonable way. Seeing that after a time it is mostly futile … because the audience is so small anyway, and the people who should take notes are so far ‘above us’ they never read the thoughts … leads one to want to forget the ‘dialogues’ – just like the politicians do. 😉
            But sometimes, some interest spurts up again … And I can at least Bounce on someone’s head.
            At times, I wish I had a pet Kangaroo … :-))

          19. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Yes someone may not like my ‘friedly’ hello’s or just my ‘point’ of view, their hate is the least of my worries.Just the mask they hide behind which rattles me.
            If your washing dishes wash mine with you 🙂
            I actually had to think about it believe me but i managed to shorten your comment to ..get a life.. but hey no hard feelings if thats what you meant im pretty confident in myself im young and goodlooking. If thats not what you meant than i guess im extreme or overly passionate to comprehend what you ment 😉
            Im still a believer that the army generals who treated this poor bloke the way he was treated should be charged with attempted murder like any other normal civilian with a group of 5 or more would be charged if they were to kick into any guy on the street.
            Anyway ive taken a good look around me and i can see unfairly treated people not careing if they have to die to create a future of fairness and equility for there and the next generation to come i see a revoloution in the making in lebanon if they dont hurry up and charge the losers involved in the attack against this man and others and if HA don’t hurry up and hand in their weapons.

          20. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            No … wasn’t telling you to get a life, just noting that even at the greatly advanced and improbable age, I have one….. And, like you, I DO have to wash my own. :-))

          21. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Ok didn’t think so… buh buh i got lots of monnneeeyyy 😉 lol worth a try. Yeah ive seen worse by the army even experienced worse but the civillians are not dumb anymore when it comes to there rights. I really don’t care if it was a black or a chinese man no offence but my ‘over enthusiasm’ comes down to taking responsibility and treating people how i like to be treated. Thats how i was raised and expect a nation thats on its last legs to take the responsibility and lead by example so the rest can follow. Maybe my expectations are abit high but as they say aim for the stars so that incase you dont make it, atleast you’ll have the moon to fall back on.

          22. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Take a look around Lebanon! It seems NOBODY has handed over their weapons. Look at the armed militias and gangs in Tripoli, Sidon, Beirut for example. There is no trust between the different religious sects, and thats why they all secretly hung on to their weapons or openly as the case is with the Hezbo. More and more are arming themselves everyday.

          23. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            And that is the fault of a ‘Confessional Parliamentary Democracy’ where no-one confesses to anything. 🙂

          24. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            “Every soul is God made”
            I wish you have the same wisdom when attacking homosexuals

          25. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Huh? When did I? The only homo I attacked is you…

          26. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            check who thumbed you up
            tells you who you should be hanging up with since you share the same “values”

          27. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Really? What is your value? a mekenseh? Which side? I bet you both sides are equally good for you…
            It is well known that if you were to discuss a topic I won’t shy from a discussion… However attacking Lebanon, or attacking me personally is a red line.
            You can criticize the leaders, all of them and I have no problem with that… But do not attack the country as a whole or attack me personally because I will fight back and viciously I must add.

          28. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Again farts on tiles as usual…
            Red lines, let me laugh on ur red lines,
            What are you going to do after I cross the red lines, burn tires?
            I keep telling you, you and that punk anti fsa, stop making it easier for me to show how ignorant you are!
            What’s that bad joke again about the mekenseh and which side it is… .?
            Is that you being “vicious”?
            Khawaftneh… Pfff
            Your new name is foufou al moutawahesh

          29. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            smaa3 ya m2ayyar
            Here is the joke… You stuff the mekenseh up your ass and use the other side to wipe the shit that comes out of your mouth.
            Ya keyboard warrior ya wa7ech enta
            You are so much of a man hiding behind your keyboard but a mouse in reality… So fuck off and find some other idiot like you to whine like the dog you are about where you were born rather than doing something about it.
            Sadda2 7aalo mala mastara… Mekenseh party aal… ruu7 kannis 7aalak men hall dene kella.

          30. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Chou foufou?
            Speak human!

          31. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            jealous? they will thumb your ass if you like up and down… he he

          32. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Man for someone who hates homosexuals you sure fantasize a lot on what to do with asses.
            Did you ever feel that you live in a closet?
            Do you wonder sometime if sex with women is overrated?
            Do you like your new nickname fufu?

          33. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            I still do not understand why you say I hate homosexuals? Really?
            Besides this zealous defense for them…. Hmmmmm Are you trying to be accepted? It is ok do not be shy… We won’t hurt you… Just say you are gay and we will support your plight… One way or another… lol

          34. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Recycling ones jokes is a proof of a lack of imagination.
            Better stay on your “jokes” about asses
            You made anti fsa and manowar roll on the ground laughing
            You have a public and fans, don’t disappoint them by using my jokes

          35. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            ” mr BRAIN DEAD.”

            Lmfao i see you corrected your Freudian slip.
            For those that don’t know, this brain dead buffoon had said “my BRAIN DEAD” prior to correcting itself.

          36. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            It would never happen to Hezbollah

          37. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            He was the janitor…

        2. dateam Avatar

          Have you heard of the term rendition?

          1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            you are not worth wasting time on seeing you have shown what a hypocrite you are. Get back in your kennel.

          2. dateam Avatar

            woof woof…ignorance is bliss.. god bless you …. brother rendition is not a swear word if you feel i have insulted you?…rendition is when a country kidnaps one of its own or someone in their country and sends them to another country where torture laws are less lenient. For example in say the united states they may kidnap someone of saudi background on suspicion of terrorism and they send them to jordan where torture is allowed because in the united states its not. this is used to extract information. So in effect jordan,qatar,saudia arabia,yemen,pakistan.libya now,bahrain,egypt are used to subcontract torture out…. so picture this.. these countries fund terrorists yet are allied with the states…the states then catch them and funnel them back out to one of these states who then torture them to extract information on behalf of the states or allow united states officials to torture them. See how the world is a circus? And I bet you support these countries?

          3. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            “Dont bring up anyone else this has nothing to do with anyone else..”

            did the rspca let you out for the day?

          4. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Hey idiot! Glad to see you’re back. Now get off your knees and quit juggling the Saudi family jewels. You standing up yet? Good! Now that your mouth is freed up you can start answering the questions posed to you. Oh yeah! I almost forgot.

            ..I.. ( *_* ) ..I..

          5. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            The only one juggling the family jewels is your mum.

          6. man-o-war Avatar
            man-o-war

            Hahaha! Nice come back! You make a good point about typing with your mouth full. In that case back on your knees and start juggling!

            Mum? Are you one of those jihadist hiding out in western countries? Australia or Britain?

          7. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            lol i must not be hiding very well if you found me.

    2. dateam Avatar

      I asked you questions earlier which you did not answer…I ask again…do you support the rebels in syria? I assume you do….did you see the video i told you to see? I assume you already have….so if we apply what you just stated “Wow what a brave army…. over unarmed civilians of course. Yet what does this army do when other countries invade Lebanon? ” How brave are your rebels in idlib the other day chopping the head off a priest and parading it around in front of their people including children and taking photos…..yet what have you or your people done for your own dont worry about anyone else but your own …

      1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
        hezzies are terrorists

        “Dont bring up anyone else this has nothing to do with anyone else..”

        They are you own words hahaha
        back in your kennel

    3. dateam Avatar

      God help you….the fact that you made this comment contradicts the name you are using..get it?

  11. LEBANON101 Avatar
    LEBANON101

    3eb ya shebab. you are lions in the battlefield. you dont need to stoop to their level. i can understand they were pissed about what happened to some of their comrades, but some of the guys in the video seemed like they were having fun. the army should just warn that anyone who repeats this will be punished and move on . allah , lubnan , wil jesh , w bass

  12. LEBANON101 Avatar
    LEBANON101

    3eb ya shebab. you are lions in the battlefield. you dont need to stoop to their level. i can understand they were pissed about what happened to some of their comrades, but some of the guys in the video seemed like they were having fun. the army should just warn that anyone who repeats this will be punished and move on . allah , lubnan , wil jesh , w bass

  13. zabada Avatar

    Why many Arab now too brutal ?.This kind of wrong doing lead to spread hatred and then civil war. Assad thugs has done this and what happen now in Syria ?.

  14. Ustaz Bidin Avatar
    Ustaz Bidin

    Why many Arab now too brutal ?.This kind of wrong doing lead to spread hatred and then civil war. Assad thugs has done this and what happen now in Syria ?.

  15. Constantin7 Avatar
    Constantin7

    This army does not unfortunately have the morales and behavioural standards that western and civilized societies armies have. They will continue to abuse (and hit physically) any one who will fall in their hands one way or another. They have the “power” and they abuse it without accountability to anyone or anybody. However, everyone else in the society is acting similarly if not worse. So unfair people end up with an unfair treatment and there are always innocent casualties that are affected.
    This said, I do not believe that the army treats badly someone according to his confession, so turning this discussion to a “sunni mistreated victim” is a useless argument. But please notice how the muslim street in Lebanon is in cahos, disarray, angry, frustrated, fearful, hateful, negative to say the least,….all in the name of religion and God. This is the case in Lebanon, in Syria, in Egypt, In Irak, in Tunisia, in Palestine, etc…. and nobody out of these millions of muslims is asking: WHY ?
    For example, Egypt today is much more closer to traditional conservative Islam than at the time of Mobarak, yet the economy is much worse, people are getting poorer, the administration and the corruption at its highest level, and still they think ISLAM is the answer for their problems or blame the west for their problems (always the others are the problem and to blame not themselves and their devilish religion). The hate, the fight, the killing, the confusion, the Takyya (hypocrisy), the complete cahos, etc… all with Takbir and in the name of God (exactly like their prophet did) and yet their situation is getting worse and worse, and yet they still do not SEE !!!!! Unbelievable ! Your solution is one and only one: JESUS-CHRIST !!! He is the only one who will bring peace to your heart first, then this peace will glow to your environment second. Nobody else will bring this peace to you.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Exactly right on the army, although I think they are trying to get it ‘up to snuff’ … thank you … and all the ‘reactions’ are fitting in very well with the methods of Assad and El Supremo, if not every other ‘Religious Despot’ seeking ‘POWER’.

    2. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      You had me until the end. Bible thump much? Please get off your high horse. There has been lots of murdering, raping, and mutilating done in the name of Christ throughout history. Civilizations have been wiped out in the name of the church. Please do us all a favor and keep your religion between you and God. Let the rest of us wait to be judged in front of God when the time comes. Religion needs to stay in your mind, home, and place of worship. People who believe their religion is superior to others is what is causing all this chaos. Lebanon’s constitution is even written in a way to keep religion in politics and I think that needs to change.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Actually, many (most?) KNOW it needs to change and have been saying it … ad infinitum.
        But, don’t you just hate it when people lump two or more subjects into one ‘piece’??
        Makes it hard to give an ‘up’ sometimes …

      2. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        We live in a region where everything is done in the name of God and you’re saying: “…keep your religion between you and God…” !!! If you are christian: You’re trying to impose western standards on middle eastern people, it is not going to work, and if you are muslim what you’re saying contradicts your own religion where Islam is “Deen wa Dawla”.
        BTW those 17 soldiers were killed in the name of God, the biggest destabilizer of the Lebanese government/authority is the party of God.I wish I could keep my relationship with God to myself, but the mu’ezzin next door keeps on reminding me that I cannot.
        Yes many crimes/wars were done in the name of christianity and probably many others will too, but these human sinners (so called christians) did not follow our Lord’s teachings, that is all. From time to time I feel like reminding my muslim friends that they can be saved from the confusion and disarray they are living, if they want to. The LIGHT is there if you want to see it and walk under its light.

  16. Constantin7 Avatar
    Constantin7

    This army does not unfortunately have the morales and behavioural standards that western and civilized societies armies have. They will continue to abuse (and hit physically) any one who will fall in their hands one way or another. They have the “power” and they abuse it without accountability to anyone or anybody. However, everyone else in the society is acting similarly if not worse. So unfair people end up with an unfair treatment and there are always innocent casualties that are affected.
    This said, I do not believe that the army treats badly someone according to his confession, so turning this discussion to a “sunni mistreated victim” is a useless argument. But please notice how the muslim street in Lebanon is in cahos, disarray, angry, frustrated, fearful, hateful, negative to say the least,….all in the name of religion and God. This is the case in Lebanon, in Syria, in Egypt, In Irak, in Tunisia, in Palestine, etc…. and nobody out of these millions of muslims is asking: WHY ?
    For example, Egypt today is much more closer to traditional conservative Islam than at the time of Mobarak, yet the economy is much worse, people are getting poorer, the administration and the corruption at its highest level, and still they think ISLAM is the answer for their problems or blame the west for their problems (always the others are the problem and to blame not themselves and their devilish religion). The hate, the fight, the killing, the confusion, the Takyya (hypocrisy), the complete cahos, etc… all with Takbir and in the name of God (exactly like their prophet did) and yet their situation is getting worse and worse, and yet they still do not SEE !!!!! Unbelievable ! Your solution is one and only one: JESUS-CHRIST !!! He is the only one who will bring peace to your heart first, then this peace will glow to your environment second. Nobody else will bring this peace to you.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Exactly right on the army, although I think they are trying to get it ‘up to snuff’ … thank you … and all the ‘reactions’ are fitting in very well with the methods of Assad and El Supremo, if not every other ‘Religious Despot’ seeking ‘POWER’.

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      man-o-war

      You had me until the end. Bible thump much? Please get off your high horse. There has been lots of murdering, raping, and mutilating done in the name of Christ throughout history. Civilizations have been wiped out in the name of the church. Please do us all a favor and keep your religion between you and God. Let the rest of us wait to be judged in front of God when the time comes. Religion needs to stay in your mind, home, and place of worship. People who believe their religion is superior to others is what is causing all this chaos. Lebanon’s constitution is even written in a way to keep religion in politics and I think that needs to change.

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        5thDrawer

        Actually, many (most?) KNOW it needs to change and have been saying it … ad infinitum.

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        Constantin7

        We live in a region where everything is done in the name of God and you’re saying: “…keep your religion between you and God…” !!! If you are christian: You’re trying to impose western standards on middle eastern people, it is not going to work, and if you are muslim what you’re saying contradicts your own religion where Islam is “Deen wa Dawla”.
        BTW those 17 soldiers were killed in the name of God, the biggest destabilizer of the Lebanese government/authority is the party of God.I wish I could keep my relationship with God to myself, but the mu’ezzin next door keeps on reminding me that I cannot.
        Yes many crimes/wars were done in the name of christianity and probably many others will too, but these human sinners (so called christians) did not follow our Lord’s teachings, that is all. From time to time I feel like reminding my muslim friends that they can be saved from the confusion and disarray they are living, if they want to. The LIGHT is there if you want to see it and walk under its light.

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