9 Detained in Turkey Car Bombings. All Linked to Syria’s Assad

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reyhanli turkey twin car bombings 3Turkish authorities said Sunday that nine people had been detained in twin car bombings a day earlier in southern Turkey that killed 46 people and injured at least 155.

Speaking at a news conference, senior government officials said that the nine people detained had been linked to the Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad through evidence gathered after the bombings in Reyhanli near Turkey’s border with Syria.

“The incident was carried out by those who have been closely linked with pro-regime groups in Syria,” Turkey’s interior minister, Muammer Guler, said.

“There is no merit in spelling out the names, we know them all,” Mr. Guler said.

The Syrian government on Sunday denied an involvement. “Syria didn’t and will never undertake such acts because our values don’t allow us to do this,” Omran al-Zoubi, the information minister, was quoted as saying in Damascus.

If connected to the Syrian war, as Turkey claimed, the attack would be the deadliest spillover since the beginning of the uprising against Mr. Assad in March 2011. In October, shells fired from Syria killed five people in Turkey, and the Turkish government blamed Mr. Assad’s forces. At least 14 people died in a separate episode when a car bomb exploded at a border crossing.

Reuters quoted Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay as saying that all nine people detained were Turkish citizens.

Officials said that 35 of the 46 dead were Turkish citizens and 3 were Syrian, while 8 were still unidentified. Two of the 55 still hospitalized in critical condition after more than one hundred were treated at hospitals and medical centers in several cities including Istanbul, Ankara and Adana, the health minister, Mehmet Muezzinoglu, said.

The powerful car bombs, which came 15 minutes and barely a mile apart, transformed downtown office blocks in Reyhanli into smoldering husks in one of the deadliest attacks on Turkish soil in at least a decade. Officials said investigations continued to determine the type of explosives used.

Hours after the explosion, officials with Turkey’s government, which has backed the rebels fighting President Assad of Syria, said the suspects in the bombing belonged to an organization linked to Mr. Assad’s intelligence services, though they did not offer an explanation of how they reached that conclusion.

Turkey’s claims of Syrian involvement raised the possibility of an escalating conflict with that country and the broadening of the war. A senior Turkish Foreign Ministry official said Saturday that the government had not reached the point where it was considering a military retaliation, but added, “No crime will be left without a response.”

In blaming Mr. Assad’s government, Turkish officials seemed anxious to stave off any possible backlash against thousands of Syrian refugees in Reyhanli or its allies in the Syrian opposition for the bombing. The town is in a region of southern Turkey where some Turks have bristled at their government’s willingness to make Turkey a party to the war, putting it at risk.

Turkish officials have been especially concerned with the possibility that sectarian tensions that have come to define the civil war in Syria will spill over the border, and trouble ethnically mixed regions of southern Turkey. There are also fears that the sheer numbers of Syrians in the country will stoke resentment: around Reyhanli, some 25,000 Syrian refugees live among 90,000 Turkish citizens, according to local officials.

After the bombings on Saturday, angry residents smashed the windows of cars from Syria, and a Turkish newspaper reported that protests against Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan later erupted in Reyhanli’s streets.

The attack occurred as Mr. Erdogan was scheduled to visit Washington this week to meet President Obama and discuss the urgency for a resolution of the conflict in Syria. Secretary of State John Kerry released a statement condemning the bombings and praising Turkey’s role as a “vital interlocutor.”

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158 responses to “9 Detained in Turkey Car Bombings. All Linked to Syria’s Assad”

  1. AntiFSA Avatar
    AntiFSA

    How convenient, all 9 have links to the Assad government. Well each and every one of the FSA terrorist animals have links to the Turkish government. The way I look at it, what goes around most certainly comes around. Maybe now the turks can get a taste of what the innocent in Syria are going through. Time for the Turkish people to rise and demand this piece of shit Erdogan and his government resign.

    1. master09 Avatar
      master09

      Can I ask , what is your thought about the time Syria was in Lebanon. Was it Good or Bad…

      1. AntiFSA Avatar
        AntiFSA

        Master, it was one of the worst experiences Lebanon and its people have had. However what I think it worst is these animals the Salifi/Wahabi garbage using Lebanon as a hide out and possibly dragging us into a war once again. I have never in my post supported Syria being in Lebanon. Or any other country for that matter. I am curious at to why you ask.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Maybe he asked because you seem so anti-everything, it’s hard to tell what you can be ‘for’ … especially when it comes to trying to find some true freedom – which is more in the mind than anything else. Unless the idiots are attacking you directly, it’s easy enough to ignore them most times (or slide around them) and put out thoughts of what we should all be working toward – educating the ones who are recoverable as humans.
          Bomb the rest, of course. 😉

          1. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Well 5th let’s wait and see for the next ?.

          2. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            I have told you before and I’ll tell you again, I am only ANTI FSA. Full stop. I have no issues with any other person or religion. 🙂

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          Before I tell you why I ask I have one last ? Should any group in a country be it Syria or Lebanon be allowed to have weapons outside the countries army.

          1. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Ah (Hezbollah), the thorn in you side hey Master. If the Lebanese government was legitimate, and the Army and Police had the power and the authority to defend our country, then no, no group should be allowed to have weapons. I mean look at what is happening in Tripoli, more than 20,000 Salifi pigs have surrounded Jabal Mohsen and constantly provoke them. Mind you most of these Salifi’s are from outside Lebanon. They have come to fight the people of Jabal Mohsen all because they support Assad. Some crap they call Jihad. And the army is powerless because these full of shit politicians have their own hidden agenda and wont allow them to intervene. I would love nothing more than to see Lebanon become what it once was, with a legitimate government, a legitimate army and the people in the country living as brother and sister irrespective of what religion they believe in. Oh and we need to get rid of the Salifi’s of course. lol

          2. master09 Avatar
            master09

            No anti you see they HA is not a thorn on my side. What is a thorn is any group ANY outside the state. Tell me if there where no groups with arms in Lebanon be it PLO Christian Shia or Sunni pointing guns at Isreal, would Isreal point it’s guns at Lebanon. If the Lebanese army or state for what ever reason was attacked for no reason by the Jews do you not think the world would stand up and shout. Tell me Anti why in the last 40 years did Isreal attack Lebanon. Why please tell me why.second I do not support Shia or Sunni like in Syria Christian would love Assad to stay but that is a diff story for another day. Must go in for a massage now. But please tell me why Lebanon needs to be protected by anyone at all.

          3. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Master, you can’t be serious. All the extremist in Lebanon who would love nothing more than to wipe out the Christians and Alawites, And you ask does Lebanon need protection. lol Here is a question for you, who started the war in Lebanon, And i mean really started it.

          4. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Your opening a can of worms now!!! IMFAO, the palestinians started it with the help of the israelis!

          5. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            That’s my point.

          6. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Anti you again did not answer the ? What your saying that Lebanon needs protection from its own people. So why should we not allow all 50 groups including the local ore school to store weapons by the thousands and your telling me to be serious come on anti answer the ? I asked you about weapons . Read my post again I never mentioned about what your saying I am talking about subject you always ignore. Read my post again nothing to do with the Salifati or alawai or Christian . I do not need to go into why a war stated because I think there is 1000000 stories and each Lebakes up his own. Lol as lens do best make up stories.

          7. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            I think I answered the question. I said in the above post, If the Lebanese government was legitimate, and the Army and Police had the power and the authority to defend our country, then no, no group should be allowed to have weapons, and no we would not need protection from anybody. However this is not the case. Now answer my question master, who started the Lebanese war. You keep asking question, however fail to answer one when one is put to you.

          8. master09 Avatar
            master09

            The Lebs . Lol I told you even if I say you would not agree because we have a thousand stories. When the PLO came in to Lebanon, the army should have put a stop or asked for help but political parties took sides for thier own gain and that is why the Lebanese are to blame as a whole. As a country for allowing it to even get to where it did.

          9. libnan1 Avatar
            libnan1

            AntiFSA, they are beating around the bush. The answer is Sunnis are the ones who started the war by supporting the PLO in hope of gaining political power. Sunnis are the scums of this earth and that is why they are the most disliked group of people.

  2. How convenient, all 9 have links to the Assad government. Well each and every one of the FSA terrorist animals have links to the Turkish government. The way I look at it, what goes around most certainly comes around. Maybe now the turks can get a taste of what the innocent in Syria are going through. Time for the Turkish people to rise and demand this piece of shit Erdogan and his government resign.

    1. master09 Avatar
      master09

      Can I ask , what is your thought about the time Syria was in Lebanon. Was it Good or Bad…

      1. Master, it was one of the worst experiences Lebanon and its people have had. However what I think it worst is these animals the Salifi/Wahabi garbage using Lebanon as a hide out and possibly dragging us into a war once again. I have never in my post supported Syria being in Lebanon. Or any other country for that matter. I am curious at to why you ask.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Maybe he asked because you seem so anti-everything, it’s hard to tell what you can be ‘for’ … especially when it comes to trying to find some true freedom – which is more in the mind than anything else. Unless the idiots are attacking you directly, it’s easy enough to ignore them most times (or slide around them) and put out thoughts of what we should all be working toward – educating the ones who are recoverable as humans.
          Bomb the rest, of course. 😉

          1. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Well 5th let’s wait and see for the next ?.

          2. I have told you before and I’ll tell you again, I am only ANTI FSA. Full stop. I have no issues with any other person or religion. 🙂

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          Before I tell you why I ask I have one last ? Should any group in a country be it Syria or Lebanon be allowed to have weapons outside the countries army.

          1. Ah (Hezbollah), the thorn in you side hey Master. If the Lebanese government was legitimate, and the Army and Police had the power and the authority to defend our country, then no, no group should be allowed to have weapons. I mean look at what is happening in Tripoli, more than 20,000 Salifi pigs have surrounded Jabal Mohsen and constantly provoke them. Mind you most of these Salifi’s are from outside Lebanon. They have come to fight the people of Jabal Mohsen all because they support Assad. Some crap they call Jihad. And the army is powerless because these full of shit politicians have their own hidden agenda and wont allow them to intervene. I would love nothing more than to see Lebanon become what it once was, with a legitimate government, a legitimate army and the people in the country living as brother and sister irrespective of what religion they believe in. Oh and we need to get rid of the Salifi’s of course. lol

          2. master09 Avatar
            master09

            No anti you see they HA is not a thorn on my side. What is a thorn is any group ANY outside the state. Tell me if there where no groups with arms in Lebanon be it PLO Christian Shia or Sunni pointing guns at Isreal, would Isreal point it’s guns at Lebanon. If the Lebanese army or state for what ever reason was attacked for no reason by the Jews do you not think the world would stand up and shout. Tell me Anti why in the last 40 years did Isreal attack Lebanon. Why please tell me why.second I do not support Shia or Sunni like in Syria Christian would love Assad to stay but that is a diff story for another day. Must go in for a massage now. But please tell me why Lebanon needs to be protected by anyone at all.

          3. Master, you can’t be serious. All the extremist in Lebanon who would love nothing more than to wipe out the Christians and Alawites, And you ask does Lebanon need protection. lol Here is a question for you, who started the war in Lebanon, And i mean really started it.

          4. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Your opening a can of worms now!!! IMFAO, the palestinians started it with the help of the israelis!

          5. That’s my point.

          6. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Anti you again did not answer the ? What your saying that Lebanon needs protection from its own people. So why should we not allow all 50 groups including the local ore school to store weapons by the thousands and your telling me to be serious come on anti answer the ? I asked you about weapons . Read my post again I never mentioned about what your saying I am talking about subject you always ignore. Read my post again nothing to do with the Salifati or alawai or Christian . I do not need to go into why a war stated because I think there is 1000000 stories and each Lebakes up his own. Lol as lens do best make up stories.

          7. I think I answered the question. I said in the above post, If the Lebanese government was legitimate, and the Army and Police had the power and the authority to defend our country, then no, no group should be allowed to have weapons, and no we would not need protection from anybody. However this is not the case. Now answer my question master, who started the Lebanese war. You keep asking question, however fail to answer one when one is put to you.

          8. master09 Avatar
            master09

            The Lebs . Lol I told you even if I say you would not agree because we have a thousand stories. When the PLO came in to Lebanon, the army should have put a stop or asked for help but political parties took sides for thier own gain and that is why the Lebanese are to blame as a whole. As a country for allowing it to even get to where it did.

          9. libnan1 Avatar
            libnan1

            AntiFSA, they are beating around the bush. The answer is Sunnis are the ones who started the war by supporting the PLO in hope of gaining political power. Sunnis are the scums of this earth and that is why they are the most disliked group of people.

  3. Btru2u Avatar

    ALAWI SHIA COCKROACHES WRITE ..YA ALI.. ON THE SHELLS OF BULLETS WHICH PENETRATED THE BODIES OF INNOCENT WOMAN AND CHILDREN AND THEY SAY THIS IS NOT A WAR ON ISLAM…WALLAHI ALI R.A DISOWNS YOU MUTTAH WHORES AND IF HE R.A WAS HERE TODAY IT WOULD BE OFF WITH YOUR HEADS OH INFESTED ONES,BY THE WILL OF ALLAH OUR MUJAHIDEEN Will TRIUMPH .

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      (hmmm … ‘ya ali’ … isn’t that the same as ‘allo akbar’? )

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Ali radiallah is but a mere man you can not compare. A creator and created. I doubt youll understand that since you worship man lol. One question if jesus peace be upon him was to knock on your door and see an idol or a photo of what is supposed to be him do you think he will be happy seeing himself crucified? Not being provecative honestly i really want to hear an answer. A reasonable person wouldnt be happy. Ive asked some of my friends and they all told me it reminds us of his swlflessness but i answer them and say well wouldnt his message be enough? But they just seem to want to not talk about it. Honest answer only people please. Or guide me somewhere where i can find the answer.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Jesus was a victim of his time – and this was the punishment of his time. The Romans were doing the same as the slaughterers do now – showing ‘the people’ by example what would befall someone not adhering to the laws of Rome (and whatever Caesar was in charge at the time.) The method with nails (some experiment) is still hotly debated, since it was not common – and legs were usually broken so death was mercifully quicker. The Romans had SOME feelings, after all. 🙂 And killing everyone was recognized as counter-productive anyway.
          You MAY assume his messages, from his life, came through. Quite amazing, that.
          A long time after, even Mohammad heard a few of them.

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          I see swords hanging on the rear view mirror of a car by Muslims , why do they use this. I am unsure for what can you xlplain because I have asked before and no body was able to tell me. Thanks

          1. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            I can answer, however I am just dying to hear Reasonable’s response. Which I bet he can’t give a proper answer to anyway.

          2. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Your a fool if your going to prove me wrong quoting my books which none are secret they are for everybody. You get all this fabricated stuff or weak ahadith and try and use it lol go and hit yourself and stop wasting everyones time you lunatic. If you like we can go for a coffee and i can teach you and allow you too see my beliefs without the fabricated and weak hadith which you quote.

          3. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Swords? You must have muslims confused again with the either hindu or the majoosi mut3a bastards who wear the swords on there neck and hit them selves claiming they want revenge from over 1400 yrs ago lol those guys aint muslim like AntiFSA for instance lol

          4. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            What can I say, You don’t even know what the Sword represents yet you claim to be a Muslim. So that’s your understanding of what the sword is. lol. And btw, I don’t believe in Mut3a, however I would rather do Mut3a than have sexual intercourse with a male. These are one of the conditions if you want to become a salifi. You are are given to a so called Sheik who in turn takes you under his wing so to speak, then you must bend over for him as part of the initiation process. Hows your
            rectem feel Reasonable.

          5. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Your sword represents something and the sword of the khalif is something else you halfwit we are not the ones who put it up on the back of cars like you idol worshipper. You must be gay and follow that course asking me about my rectum.

          6. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Calm down Reasonable, I was just having a bit of fun. You took the bait hook line and sinker. lol. On another note, I know your from Australia and was wondering whether you had a chance to watch today tonight last night. and if so would love to hear you thoughts on the whole thing.

          7. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Actually i did, ill be honest that shop is now my brother in laws 😉 my thoughts on it? I am in no position to give an opinion actually. And yours?

          8. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            It was quite disturbing to say the least. Again we have given the world a reason to criticise us. So I take it you are a Salifi. If so, why so much hate towards the Alawites and Shiites. I just don’t get it.

          9. master09 Avatar
            master09

            You guys still did not xlplain why the sword is part of what ever it is. And also why we need groups holding arms in my post above.

          10. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            No i dont even know what a salafi is i know salaf means pious predecessors. Speaking for myself ofcourse i dont like being misrepresented by a person or people who hits himself or cuts himself or practises magic or worships idols or spins around excessivley and thinks he will reach allah 3azowajal doing these things that he is on the 3rd heaven. Does not represent islam at all as for aliwitss and shia as people some are good pwople and some openley practise these traditions in the name of islam. I ofcourse would love peace just as much as anybody else nobody is better than me and i am not better than anybody in reguards to attributes and whomesoever thinks so is a victom of selfloathing. In saying that i love to view facts for what they are and if i learn something on the way thats a bonus but also a burden i must bear not to lean to oneside over the other. Which means not closing my eye to one thing and open for another for my own personal benifit i believe i will die so why not make a difference while i can breathe. I am not rich with money and gold and not poor i find my own way and if i die i hope i die rich with my beliefs and morals rather than my pots of gold as that would only create a burden for the future generation to come. So hate for the enimies of allah and proven facts of oppression i hate love for a good future and healthy rich minds ansd free thinking i love. Now why you hate a salafi which i dont know what that is i dont know.and really not my concern. I also hate pwople who hate me for that hehe.

          11. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            The only way for us to have peace is 2 options. Considering the stupidity and the retardness of our people. Option 1 is for syria to be divided and broken down as per French mandate of 1920 and each sect will have a country. That way, we the Lebanese have no one to side with. Option 2 is for us Lebanese to unite and enforce option 1.

          12. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            unite? Muuuuuuuuhaaaahaaaahaaaa…

          13. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            lol, you made me crack up at work with laughter when I saw your comment!

          14. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            It all comes down to laziness. If these guys had a job instead of “hangin out” infront of a business drinking coffee all day and only walk to collect their dole checks every second Thursday, we won’t have that problem! Lazy, lazy, lazy!

          15. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Agreed. 🙂

          16. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            True to an extent while at work modern day technology proves that theory wrong people at work on the smartphones like myself hehe and after work what are they supposed to do go to sleep and live for the dollar? While a certain group blows up a very good president and then doesnt let lebanon do its investigation and bring in all sorts of weapons to lebanon annd bring a war into lebanon (2006) and rob banks and then drag lebanon into a war which will happen soon which it doesnt want? And ontop of that block any formation of cabinets it doesnt want and accuse people of being salafist and extremists while they hit themselves in there spare time for revenge? I think theres a problem a man cannot ignore right infront of us.

          17. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            No matter what you say, those assholes on TV last night, especially that fat prick who hit the man from behind are lazy. You know it and I know it reasonable. If they want a war, they should go and fight in Afghanistan or Palestine where they can help liberate their brothers and sisters. We don’t need this bullshit in Australia. Make me PM and the first think on the agenda would be to deport these idiots. Now you asked what a Salifi is, (which btw I don’t believe you don’t know). those animals on the TV last night are what a Salifi is. Or as I call them, PIGS

          18. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            I know most of those blessed people you talk about most which have there on businesses or are studying, you judge without evidence wallah you will be asked on the day of judgement about your falsetalk you spread. 1 of the top 3 things most hated to allah and man. But you obviously dont know that since you practise taqiya. Definition of a pig lol go look at nasyrallah haha perfect example. And what bullshit are you talking about like you said this is australia so i will be australian and for the best outcome of this whole issue it is best to ignore the media. And let the police deal with it i have no concern whatsoever.
            The media actually came on a friday the muslim holiday ofcourse there is going to be crowds outside the musallah which is infront of the juice bar. Now will we get criticized for taking off friday? Eat me. Free country

          19. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            So what you are saying is the way that asshole hit that man from behind is an act of a good person. You see growing a beard and shaving your mustache as well as wearing those ridiculous cloths doesn’t change who a person really is inside. That pig last night showed who he really is. A violent animal. Now you say evidence, did you not see or hear the hatred from their actions and their mouths. A picture speaks a thousand words my friend. Allah yehdik wa yehdina inshallah.

          20. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            No comment and if you want to cause sectarianism here keep going and trying to make something small into a big fireball instead of putting it out. Typical on your behalf to be an oppertunist as you said this is australia take your racism somewhere else you dog..

          21. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            And your true colors finally come out. You and those animals last night are one in the same. I was just fishing to get it out of you. Now go nick wahead be tizour like labback Omar did ya kaleb. Assad and the Shabbiha buddoor nick emetkoun. And if you get to big, the Alawites and Shiites will do the same to you here ya manyouk.

          22. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Nothing i have said is new to what ive said before you bayakh buhahaha. You twist and turn like a sharmoota on a bed. Since your so close to the fire come and show me what your gonna do ya dog. You probably work for asio.

          23. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            I bet you and your 20 cousins can beat me up. After all, dogs do run in packs.

          24. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            If you think you sound smart by degrading mums and dads think again, typical oppurtunist, if thats a threat i will be happy to take it to the police or even a current affair you cant let channel 7 be the one with all the hot topics right? Now pull yourself together little boy your smarte than that. But if you wish to continue i will be more than happy for you to name a time and place if not think about that coffee i offered earlier. Byebye

          25. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Reasonable, I would like to apologise for personally attacking you, your family and friends. It was never my intention to go there. I got a bit worked up when you called me a dog which I’m sure you also never intended. You once personally attacked me and I asked you to not do so yet here I am doing the same. although you and I have different beliefs when it comes to Syria and Lebanon, I still believe we can exchange view points without attacking one another. You are not my enemy and don’t hate you. Again I apologise if I offended you in anyway. Be well my friend and god bless you and you love ones.

          26. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Oh now that was nice. You see you should not get the head so worked up in the first place .

          27. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Everything happens for a reason. We live and learn mahek?

          28. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            You just had to put your two cents worth, rite Master. We as humans sometimes do and say the wrong things however being able to acknowledge that you have done wrong and ensuring you don’t do it in the future is what’s important. Isn’t that rite Master.

          29. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            All good bro

          30. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            LOL

          31. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            That’s Sikhs – not Hindus – with the Kirpan in the Fat-Head-wrap. 😉

          32. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Lol i stand corrected silly me.

          33. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            As long as your not standing erected, lol. Now don’t get fired up, its only a joke.

          34. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            I know of one sword and that belongs to the Alawites, it is the sword of Ali and its called Thulfiqar. There are other swords as well which represent Jihad, but Jihad is translated by a lot of uneducated westerners and the media as “spread the religion by the sword or forcefully” when in fact Jihad is to survive from a struggle. In order to survive, you nedd a sword to protect yourself and since there was no machine guns in mid 600AD, the sword was the symbol. 🙂 I think I got it!!

        3. AntiFSA Avatar
          AntiFSA

          What are talking about, the Sunni’s also worship a man, Omar. And a man most Sunni’s hold in high regard and is more important to them than the Prophet (PBUH). Is this not true. No don’t get all worked up and start criticizing me, I am only relaying what I have read in one of your secret books. So don’t be a hypocrite.
          Now if I’m wrong, and what I read is wrong, then please enlighten me with the truth.

        4. Leborigine Avatar
          Leborigine

          I personally do not agree with the figure on the cross. I have approximately 7-8 crosses around the house and car, but they are all without figures. I also have a few Rosaries and they also have no figure. The way I see it is that Jesus was crucified and resurrected, so He is no longer on the cross. The cross is just a symbol of our faith. On the other hand, if someone likes the figure on the cross, I do not have a problem with it, and I definitely ain’t gonna start a holy war because of it 🙂

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Sure thing a couple of people i know think the same way but it doesnt answer my question. LoL no war just a reasonable question with no agenda wich i want an answer to if not guidance somewhere i can find my answer as ive always pondered . Dw i ignore the idiots who try to start war for vein reasons also ahem shia.. who hit themselves and cut themselves for the lame excuse that one day they want revenge lol.

        5. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          your logic sucks… besides you know nothing about our religion so first learn what it means then criticize.

          I can find TONS of holes in your Koran and make fun of them as well.

          Like how your religionist plagiarized from Judaism which plagiarized from mesopotamian folk stories.

          Let us start with Noah’s ark: There are today 8.7 million species on Earth. That puts it at about 10 million minimum at the current extinction rate during the days of Noah. Yet your Koran copying from the Bible a story about Noah who saved all the species by taking pairs into his boat. Our super aircraft carriers cannot carry pairs of a 10 million species yet you believe the story untouched because it is the word of God to you.

          and so on…

          If Islam was such a good religion why are you guys at the end of the list in being civilized or having a respectful nation? Give me one moslem country that contributed any form of crap to any human endeavor.

          The Russian space station? Curing diseases? advancement in the Sciences? the Internet that you are happily using which finds its roots in the American military? Should I continue the list?

          Wulak di3aan wa2te fiik… You are a brainwashed zealot. You understand NOTHING about religion. Work on yourself and stop criticizing other’s religions. Nobody asked you to spread or defend Islam… Go spread some butter on a piece of bread.

          and finally the crucifixion is a means to resurrection. it symbolizes conquering death. I do not see your prophet coming back from the dead… Hmmmmm who would I follow then? A person who conquers death by death and resurrection or a man who dies and rots in the grave… Think about it.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            As a child, every time I heard the ‘ARK’ story, my mind popped up a vision of the job of putting fresh hay in stalls below decks – and the clean-up every morning.
            Later in life, learning mathematics, it was a picture of the amount of hay needed.
            I concluded that every species on board was constipated for the duration.
            This was also probably the reason the Unicorns refused to come aboard.

          2. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Bhahaha you dont believe a boat can be built yet that could hold as many as animals you think which obviously wasnt as many as you think due to evolution. But yet you think with modern day technology a man can be resurected???u make me laugh bro what drugs are you on. Here is a list of the most smallest thing islam has contributed to the world you kaffar. All from our sweet friend wikipedia enjoy. Now to say i insulted your religion is a claim you have to fill me in as i dont recall anything bue a mere question? I guess i also hit a nerve called truth

            Umar ibn al khatab radiallah improved the administration and built cities like Basra and canal and irrigation networks. To be close to the poor, Umar lived in a simple mud hut without doors and walked the streets every evening. After consulting with the poor, Umarestablished the first welfare state Bayt al-mal.[4][5][6] The Bayt al-mal or the welfare state was for the Muslim and non-Muslim poor, needy, elderly, orphans, widows, and the disabled. TheBayt al-mal ran for hundreds of years under theRashidun Caliphate in the 7th century and continued through the Umayyad period and well into the Abbasid era. Umar also introduced Child Benefit and Pensions for the children and the elderly

            Muslim merchants traveling the Silk Road in the eighth century who first brought the light, thin, pliable stuff west. And it was through Islamic culture in North Africa that paper arrived in medieval Europe, where it took on an explosive life.

            Famous for their practise and knowledge and expansion of medicine
            Ali ibn al abas al majusi
            Muhammed ibn zackariya al razi
            Ali ibn al husayn ibn abdallah ibn sina

            Greatmathamaticions
            In his A History of Mathematics, Victor Katz says that:[2]

            A complete history of mathematics of medieval Islam cannot yet be written, since so many of these Arabic manuscripts lie unstudied… Still, the general outline… is knwn. In particular, Islamic mathematicians fully developed the decimal place-value number system to include decimal fractions, systematised the study of algebra and began to consider the relationship between algebra and geometry, studied and made advances on the major Greek geometrical treatises of Euclid, Archimedes, and Apollonius, and made significant improvements in plane and spherical geometry.

            An important role was played by the translation and study of Greek mathematics, which was the principal route of transmission of these texts to Western Europe. Smith notes that:[3]

            The world owes a great debt to Arab scholars for preserving and transmitting to posterity the classics of Greek mathematics… their work was chiefly that of transmission, although they developed considerable ingenuity in algebra and showed some genius in their work in trigonometry.

            Adolph P. Yushkevich states regarding the role of Islamic mathematics:[4]

            The Islamic mathematicians exercised a prolific influence on the development of science in Europe, enriched as much by their own discoveries as those they had inherited by the Greeks, the Indians, the Syrians, the Babylonians,etc

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Yes .. good one … and reasonable. Unfortunate that the concept of learning and advancement was lost because of religious idiots, and now some of the ‘Arabic manuscripts’ that were unstudied can’t be, because of Nut-bars like ‘Al-Shabab’ destroying places like Timbuktu. And there you go.
            Meanwhile, an Italian took the mathematics to Europe, published a book on it, and – along with many of the ‘Arabic wonders’ which travelling Europeans had seen (along with Roman, Greek, Egyptian, Norse, Chinese, East Indian) – they gobbled it up, improved on it, disseminated the information everywhere, and advanced societies, while the poor Arab World went backward in thought and practice.
            OF COURSE, ALL THAT IS ACKNOWLEDGED in the Histories which are allowed to be accurately written by those ‘free’ societies you love to dump on. But there you go. Voila. Man’s evolved mind gathered information always – and that includes Arabs, of course.
            The British built better boats too. Arguing about one huge ARK is silly – although maybe that’s why there’s no trees left in the Sinai … hmmmm 😉

          4. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Be mindful you said free societies while these men were either caliphs or under caliph rule which when the middle east will be free again. I am pro for free thinking and societies doesnt mean im pro democracy. Yes our countries have gone back or as i say hit rock bottom. I say this with faith only that once your at the bottom the only way left to go is up. So i hope i will be alive to see the look on everyones faces when this happens only time could tell, power over another will come no matter who wants it or hates it.(not open for interpritation) still plenty of manuscripts preserved and not molested, care to lead by example ? 🙂 About the trees very witty i like it lol

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Until the concept of ‘democratic rule’ came into being, it was only Kings and Caliphes and Tsars … lords and ladies leaping, etc. Some were good and some were not. The ‘House of Saud’ is like that. Same thing. What we may now refer to as a ‘Benevolent Dictatorship’ was the norm. Good ones allowed ‘their people’ to grow, as this also increased their own wealth and power. Growing meant learning. Wars meant losing. How will you guarantee a good Caliph?

          6. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Every hundred years there is a mujadid. A person who will revive the forgotten and correct the deviation. How do we know this or prove this. The fact that there are still muslims and the islam being spread without the innovations, previous mujadid are a long topic and isnt necessary aslong as they dont attribute anything new to the religion. (Not a caliph btw just a mujadid)

            A caliph will need the approval of all the believers of islam which is called giving bay3a(approval) his qualities will be

            1.he is muslim
            2. He be of age
            3.he be male
            4.he be of sound mind
            5.he be courages
            6.he be freed and not a slave
            7.he be accessible not hidden
            8.he be able able to conduct battles and beware of warlike tactics
            9. He be just
            .10.he be able to judge and pass verdicts on law and religion.
            It is very simple one who knows and holds islam firmly will know just as you know who your voting for in the upcoming elections

          7. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            While in my way of thinking:
            a leader can be of any religion you fail humanity
            In a gender equal society a leader can be a woman you again fail humanity
            In world of free people slavery is illegal and you fail humanity
            In a world of peace a leader should not be a warmonger yet again you fail humanity
            In a country of Law a leader has no business passing verdicts
            out of 10 points you get 5. 50% right is not really a good grade. Have you made it past high school? I really wonder.

          8. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            There is nowhere in the quran that states women cannot be active members of society, there are many famous women philosophers, political leaders, scientist etc.
            In character thats what the khalifa will attribute, why a muslim? Simply because he will be ruling all the muslim land(do i really need to explain this)
            I can say slavery still exists as you and i in the west are slaves to the dollar but wikipedia sounds better

            Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and areforced to work.[1] Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation. Historically, slavery was institutionally recognized by many societies; in more recent times slavery has been outlawed in most societies but continues through the practices of debt bondage, indentured servitude, serfdom, domestic servants kept in captivity, certain adoptions in which children are forced to work as slaves, child soldiers, andforced marriage.[2] Slavery is illegal in every country in the world but there are still an estimated 27 million slaves worldwide; some opponents are hopeful that slavery can be eradicated by 2042.
            2042 is a rough figure just like anybody else i do hope there would be nomore before then.

            Hehe leader has no business passing verdicts and a war monger
            Warmonger is a harsh word hannibal now put this on the balance of equility a leader with the courage to fight battles against the oppresser compared to a leader like nowadays kicking back probably getting a kick out of the genocide the army(who blindly follow) commit for the purpose of consumerism, the funny thing is the key to being a soldier successfully is to not volunteer for ANYTHING!!! ofcourse this is a question beyond your intellect who cant see an arc being built with one of each creature inside yet is waiting for somebody to be ressurected from dead. I think you have had a conflict of interest in an attempt to be a fundamentalist in sheeps body.

          9. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            OK Let me discuss one point at a time.
            First the resurrection… I never said to you I believe or do not believe in it. I was just explaining to you the Christian religion which you seem to understand nothing but the cover not its content.
            Yet in your Koran you say that Jesus was born as a miracle… From a virgin. If God can do that… Hmmmm A man with one X chromosome lacking the Y transferred from a man’s sperm can’t God resurrect a man or yet make an Adam out of clay?
            I read those stories as stories for commoner’s with values as their “kholaasa” nothing else. I know God is much more… He is a creator within the boundaries of the physical world. We say in Christianity “youra wa ma la youra” which does not mean magic but lack of understanding within “ma la youra”.
            But here is the biggest difference between us… Actually THE MAJOR ONE DIFFERENCE: While on your holidays I wish you happiness and health YET I have to see people like you wishing me in kind during my religious holidays. People like you are ruling Egypt today and a decree that you are not as a moslem allowed to say Merry Christmas to a fellow Christian in Arabic is what we Christians experience in your world. YET at my university in the U.S. we fought together to give the moslem students a place to wash and a place to pray.
            My modern society will defeat yours because we will find you before you EVER have a Caliph and if you do we will castrate him and make him gargle with his balls.
            How is that for a tolerant Hannibal for you?
            Read your history, Lebanon will never be Islamist… We are born free and we WILL win. We are invincible and GOD is OUR KING… Not yours… You can see him standing tall in Jounieh’s suburbs with open arms and a heart of gold… We call HIM Yassou3 el MALAK….
            There is a saying we have in Lebanon… Now ruu7 enta wu jamee3tak, arbeeb el zoquun el weskha, balto el ba7er. 😉

          10. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Lol again i am not dissing your religion but act like a victim of being discrimation of being christian when what you say is what i point out. i am actually a believer in the arc a believe that jesus was born from virgin *be and it is* a believer jesus is in heaven (not crucified) and will return to bilad alsham. Now understand where youve been to understand where your going. Lakum dinakum waliya deen you go and practise your religion and we practise ours infact dubai is infested with christians saudi also just because we do not say merry christmas you want to have a cry boohoo you still have rights to practise your religion in churches at home on sundays. Whats your point? Lebanon syria palestine will come down to khalifa rulership and the opressers will be delt with individually, when? Allah knows. Who is in power today and in 20 yrs time allah knows. Until then 7le2 i havnt stepped on your toes so dontstep on mine. All i asked was a simple question that if you couldnt answer guide me to someone that can but mr intolerent wants to give me a philosophy lesson but instead got schooled yalla kkaa777esshh.byebye

          11. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            infested? Do you hear yourself?
            Keep dreaming… khalifa will gargle with his testes…
            Jesus is the Lord and he is coming back to redeem the kuffaar like you.
            I won’t cry period but I am pointing out that Islamism is intolerant and we will prevail over you heathens…
            I guess it is time for a new crusade to teach you a lesson in humility.
            😛
            ENJOY!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6SkaFMTihI

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Music is one thing … history of music another … and music makers and video makers don’t always understand either history or each other. 😉
            Good song, I guess.

          13. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            You live in history… I am talking present time and you suck. I am talking now now now… Stop singing history songs.

    2. AntiFSA Avatar
      AntiFSA

      Better than writing the names of those animals Muawiyah and Yazid. Whats funny is you talk as though you like El Sayyed Ali, 3a lay el Salim. The ones you worship are the ones who went to war against him and his family. Starting with Aisha. Look up your history fool. And please don’t bring some bull line from a hadith you have heard.

    3. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      another lunatic… Your screaming goes on deaf ears. Attack the Assad family all you like but blaming politics on Shia Islam is just Zealotry. It takes you nowhere.

  4. Btru2u Avatar

    ALAWI SHIA COCKROACHES WRITE ..YA ALI.. ON THE SHELLS OF BULLETS WHICH PENETRATED THE BODIES OF INNOCENT WOMAN AND CHILDREN AND THEY SAY THIS IS NOT A WAR ON ISLAM…WALLAHI ALI R.A DISOWNS YOU MUTTAH WHORES AND IF HE R.A WAS HERE TODAY IT WOULD BE OFF WITH YOUR HEADS OH INFESTED ONES,BY THE WILL OF ALLAH OUR MUJAHIDEEN Will TRIUMPH .

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      (hmmm … ‘ya ali’ … isn’t that the same as ‘allo akbar’? )

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Ali radiallah is but a mere man you can not compare. A creator and created. I doubt youll understand that since you worship man lol. One question if jesus peace be upon him was to knock on your door and see an idol or a photo of what is supposed to be him do you think he will be happy seeing himself crucified? Not being provecative honestly i really want to hear an answer. A reasonable person wouldnt be happy. Ive asked some of my friends and they all told me it reminds us of his swlflessness but i answer them and say well wouldnt his message be enough? But they just seem to want to not talk about it. Honest answer only people please.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Jesus was a victim of his time – and this was the punishment of his time. The Romans were doing the same as the slaughterers do now – showing ‘the people’ by example what would befall someone not adhering to the laws of Rome (and whatever Caesar was in charge at the time.) The method with nails (some experiment) is still hotly debated, since it was not common – and legs were usually broken so death was mercifully quicker. The Romans had SOME feelings, after all. 🙂 And killing everyone was recognized as counter-productive anyway.
          You MAY assume his messages, from his life, came through. Quite amazing, that.

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          I see swords hanging on the rear view mirror of a car by Muslims , why do they use this. I am unsure for what can you xlplain because I have asked before and no body was able to tell me. Thanks

          1. I can answer, however I am just dying to hear Reasonable’s response. Which I bet he can’t give a proper answer to anyway.

          2. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Your a fool if your going to prove me wrong quoting my books which none are secret they are for everybody dont tell me you dont want me to quote anything back from those same books you halfwit. You get all this fabricated stuff or weak ahadith and try and use it lol go and hit yourself and stop wasting everyones time you lunatic.

          3. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Swords? You must have muslims confused again with the either hindu or the majoosi mut3a bastards who wear the swords on there neck and hit them selves claiming they want revenge from over 1400 yrs ago lol those guys aint muslim like AntiFSA for instance lol

          4. What can I say, You don’t even know what the Sword represents yet you claim to be a Muslim. So that’s your understanding of what the sword is. lol. And btw, I don’t believe in Mut3a, however I would rather do Mut3a than have sexual intercourse with a male. These are one of the conditions if you want to become a salifi. You are are given to a so called Sheik who in turn takes you under his wing so to speak, then you must bend over for him as part of the initiation process. Hows your
            rectem feel Reasonable.

          5. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Your sword represents something and the sword of the khalif is something else you halfwit we are not the ones who put it up on the back of cars like you idol worshipper. You must be gay and follow that course asking me about my rectum.

          6. Calm down Reasonable, I was just having a bit of fun. You took the bait hook line and sinker. lol. On another note, I know your from Australia and was wondering whether you had a chance to watch today tonight last night. and if so would love to hear you thoughts on the whole thing.

          7. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Actually i did, ill be honest that shop is now my brother in laws 😉 my thoughts on it? I am in no position to give an opinion actually. And yours?

          8. It was quite disturbing to say the least. Again we have given the world a reason to criticise us. So I take it you are a Salifi. If so, why so much hate towards the Alawites and Shiites. I just don’t get it.

          9. master09 Avatar
            master09

            You guys still did not xlplain why the sword is part of what ever it is.

          10. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            No i dont even know what a salafi is i know salaf means pious predecessors. Speaking for myself ofcourse i dont like being misrepresented by a person or people who hits himself or cuts himself or practises magic or worships idols or spins around excessivley and thinks he will reach allah 3azowajal doing these things that he is on the 3rd heaven. Does not represent islam at all as for aliwitss and shia as people some are good pwople and some openley practise these traditions in the name of islam. I ofcourse would love peace just as much as anybody else nobody is better than me and i am not better than anybody in reguards to attributes and whomesoever thinks so is a victom of selfloathing. In saying that i love to view facts for what they are and if i learn something on the way thats a bonus but also a burden i must bear not to lean to oneside over the other. Which means not closing my eye to one thing and open for another for my own personal benifit i believe i will die so why not make a difference while i can breathe. I am not rich with money and gold and not poor i find my own way and if i die i hope i die rich with my beliefs and morals rather than my pots of gold as that would only create a burden for the future generation to come. So hate for the enimies of allah and proven facts of oppression i hate love for a good future and healthy rich minds ansd free thinking i love. Now why you hate a salafi which i dont know what that is i dont know.

          11. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            The only way for us to have peace is 2 options. Considering the stupidity and the retardness of our people. Option 1 is for syria to be divided and broken down as per French mandate of 1920 and each sect will have a country. That way, we the Lebanese have no one to side with. Option 2 is for us Lebanese to unite and enforce option 1.

          12. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            unite? Muuuuuuuuhaaaahaaaahaaaa…

          13. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            lol, you made me crack up at work with laughter when I saw your comment!

          14. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            It all comes down to laziness. If these guys had a job instead of “hangin out” infront of a business drinking coffee all day and only walk to collect their dole checks every second Thursday, we won’t have that problem! Lazy, lazy, lazy!

          15. Agreed. 🙂

          16. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            True to an extent while at work modern day technology proves that theory wrong people at work on the smartphones like myself hehe and after work what are they supposed to do go to sleep and live for the dollar? While a certain group blows up a very good president and then doesnt let lebanon do its investigation and bring in all sorts of weapons to lebanon annd bring a war into lebanon (2006) and rob banks and then drag lebanon into a war which will happen soon which it doesnt want? And ontop of that block any formation of cabinets it doesnt want and accuse people of being salafist and extremists while they hit themselves in there spare time for revenge? I think theres a problem a man cannot ignore right infront of us.

          17. No matter what you say, those assholes on TV last night, especially that fat prick who hit the man from behind are lazy. You know it and I know it reasonable. If they want a war, they should go and fight in Afghanistan or Palestine where they can help liberate their brothers and sisters. We don’t need this bullshit in Australia. Make me PM and the first think on the agenda would be to deport these idiots. Now you asked what a Salifi is, (which btw I don’t believe you don’t know). those animals on the TV last night are what a Salifi is. Or as I call them, PIGS

          18. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            I know most of those blessed people you talk about most which have there on businesses or are studying, you judge without evidence wallah you will be asked on the day of judgement about your falsetalk you spread. 1 of the top 3 things most hated to allah and man. But you obviously dont know that since you practise taqiya. Definition of a pig lol go look at nasyrallah haha perfect example. And what bullshit are you talking about like you said this is australia so i will be australian and for the best outcome of this whole issue it is best to ignore the media. And let the police deal with it i have no concern whatsoever.

          19. So what you are saying is the way that asshole hit that man from behind is an act of a good person. You see growing a beard and shaving you mustache as well as wearing those ridiculous cloths doesn’t change who a person really is inside. That pig last night showed who he really is. A violent animal. Now you say evidence, did you not see or hear the hatred from their actions and their mouths. A picture speaks a thousand words my friend. Allah yehdik wa yehdina inshallah.

          20. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            No comment and if you want to cause sectarianism here keep going and trying to make something small into a big fireball instead of putting it out. Typical on your behalf to be an oppertunist as you said this is australia take your racism somewhere else you dog..

          21. And your true colors finally come out. You and those animals last night are one in the same. I was just fishing to get it out of you. Now go nick wahead be tizour like labback Omar did ya kaleb.

          22. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Nothing i have said is new to what ive said before you bayakh buhahaha. You twist and turn like a sharmoota on a bed. Since your so close to the fire come and show me what your gonna do ya dog. You probably work for asio.

          23. I bet you and your 20 cousins can beat me up. After all, dogs do run in packs.

          24. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            If you think you sound smart by degrading mums and dads think again, typical oppurtunist, if thats a threat i will be happy to take it to the police or even a current affair you cant let channel 7 be the one with all the hot topics right? Now pull yourself together little boy your smarte than that. But if you wish to continue i will be more than happy for you to name a time and place if not think about that coffee i offered earlier. Byebye

          25. Reasonable, I would like to apologise for personally attacking youself, your family and friends. It was never my intention to go there. I got a bit worked up when you called me a dog which I’m sure you also never intended. You once personally attacked me and I asked you to not do so yet here I am doing the same. although you and I have different beliefs when it comes to Syria and Lebanon, I still believe we can exchange view points without attacking one another. You are not my enemy and don’t hate you. Again I apologise if I offended you in anyway. Be well my friend and god bless you and you love ones.

          26. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Oh now that was nice. You see you should not get the head so worked up in the first place .

          27. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Everything happens for a reason. We live and learn mahek?

          28. You just had to put your two cents worth, rite Master. We as humans sometimes do and say the wrong things however being able to acknowledge that you have done wrong and ensuring you don’t do it in the future is what’s important. Isn’t that rite Master.

          29. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            All good bro

          30. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            LOL

          31. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            That’s Sikhs – not Hindus – with the Kirpan in the Fat-Head-wrap. 😉

          32. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Lol i stand corrected silly me.

          33. As long as your not standing erected, lol. Now don’t get fired up, its only a joke.

          34. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            I know of one sword and that belongs to the Alawites, it is the sword of Ali and its called Thulfiqar. There are other swords as well which represent Jihad, but Jihad is translated by a lot of uneducated westerners and the media as “spread the religion by the sword or forcefully” when in fact Jihad is to survive from a struggle. In order to survive, you nedd a sword to protect yourself and since there was no machine guns in mid 600AD, the sword was the symbol. 🙂 I think I got it!!

        3. What are talking about, the Sunni’s also worship a man, Omar. And man most Sunni’s hold in high regard and is more important to them than the Prophet (PBUH). Is this not true. No don’t get all worked up and start criticizing me, I am only relaying what I have read it in one of your secret books. So don’t be a hypocrite.
          Now if I’m wrong, and what I read is wrong, then please enlighten with the truth.

        4. Leborigine Avatar
          Leborigine

          I personally do not agree with the figure on the cross. I have approximately 7-8 crosses around the house and car, but they are all without figures. I also have a few Rosaries and they also have no figure. The way I see it is that Jesus was crucified and resurrected, so He is no longer on the cross. The cross is just a symbol of our faith. On the other hand, if someone likes the figure on the cross, I do not have a problem with it, and I definitely ain’t gonna start a holy war because of it 🙂

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Sure thing a couple of people i know think the same way but it doesnt answer my question. LoL no war just a reasonable question with no agenda wich i want an answer to if not guidance somewhere i can find my answer as ive always pondered . Dw i ignore the idiots who try to start war for vein reasons also ahem shia.. who hit themselves and cut themselves for the lame excuse that one day they want revenge lol.

        5. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          your logic sucks… besides you know nothing about our religion so first learn what it means then criticize.

          I can find TONS of holes in your Koran and make fun of them as well.

          Like how your religionist plagiarized from Judaism which plagiarized from mesopotamian folk stories.

          Let us start with Noah’s ark: There are today 8.7 million species on Earth. That puts it at about 10 million minimum at the current extinction rate during the days of Noah. Yet your Koran copying from the Bible a story about Noah who saved all the species by taking pairs into his boat. Our super aircraft carriers cannot carry pairs of a 10 million species yet you believe the story untouched because it is the word of God to you.

          and so on…

          If Islam was such a good religion why are you guys at the end of the list in being civilized or having a respectful nation? Give me one moslem country that contributed any form of crap to any human endeavor.

          The Russian space station? Curing diseases? advancement in the Sciences? the Internet that you are happily using which finds its roots in the American military? Should I continue the list?

          Wulak di3aan wa2te fiik… You are a brainwashed zealot. You understand NOTHING about religion. Work on yourself and stop criticizing other’s religions. Nobody asked you to spread or defend Islam… Go spread some butter on a piece of bread.

          and finally the crucifixion is a means to resurrection. it symbolizes conquering death. I do not see your prophet coming back from the dead… Hmmmmm who would I follow then? A person who conquers death by death and resurrection or a man who dies and rots in the grave… Think about it.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            As a child, every time I heard the ‘ARK’ story, my mind popped up a vision of the job of putting fresh hay in stalls below decks – and the clean-up every morning.
            Later in life, learning mathematics, it was a picture of the amount of hay needed.
            I concluded that every species on board was constipated for the duration.
            This was also probably the reason the Unicorns refused to come aboard.

          2. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Bhahaha you dont believe a boat can be built yet that could hold as many as animals you think which obviously wasnt as many as you think due to evolution. But yet you think with modern day technology a man can be resurected???u make me laugh bro what drugs are you on. Here is a list of the most smallest thing islam has contributed to the world you kaffar. All from our sweet friend wikipedia enjoy. Now to say i insulted your religion is a claim you have to fill me in as i dont recall anything bue a mere question? I guess i also hit a nerve called truth

            Umar ibn al khatab radiallah improved the administration and built cities like Basra and canal and irrigation networks. To be close to the poor, Umar lived in a simple mud hut without doors and walked the streets every evening. After consulting with the poor, Umarestablished the first welfare state Bayt al-mal.[4][5][6] The Bayt al-mal or the welfare state was for the Muslim and non-Muslim poor, needy, elderly, orphans, widows, and the disabled. TheBayt al-mal ran for hundreds of years under theRashidun Caliphate in the 7th century and continued through the Umayyad period and well into the Abbasid era. Umar also introduced Child Benefit and Pensions for the children and the elderly

            Muslim merchants traveling the Silk Road in the eighth century who first brought the light, thin, pliable stuff west. And it was through Islamic culture in North Africa that paper arrived in medieval Europe, where it took on an explosive life.

            Famous for their practise and knowledge and expansion of medicine
            Ali ibn al abas al majusi
            Muhammed ibn zackariya al razi
            Ali ibn al husayn ibn abdallah ibn sina

            Famous mathamaticions
            In his A History of Mathematics, Victor Katz says that:[2]

            A complete history of mathematics of medieval Islam cannot yet be written, since so many of these Arabic manuscripts lie unstudied… Still, the general outline… is knwn. In particular, Islamic mathematicians fully developed the decimal place-value number system to include decimal fractions, systematised the study of algebra and began to consider the relationship between algebra and geometry, studied and made advances on the major Greek geometrical treatises of Euclid, Archimedes, and Apollonius, and made significant improvements in plane and spherical geometry.

            An important role was played by the translation and study of Greek mathematics, which was the principal route of transmission of these texts to Western Europe. Smith notes that:[3]

            The world owes a great debt to Arab scholars for preserving and transmitting to posterity the classics of Greek mathematics… their work was chiefly that of transmission, although they developed considerable ingenuity in algebra and showed some genius in their work in trigonometry.

            Adolph P. Yushkevich states regarding the role of Islamic mathematics:[4]

            The Islamic mathematicians exercised a prolific influence on the development of science in Europe, enriched as much by their own discoveries as those they had inherited by the Greeks, the Indians, the Syrians, the Babylonians,etc

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            5thDrawer

            Yes .. good one … and reasonable. Unfortunate that the concept of learning and advancement was lost because of religious idiots, and now some of the ‘Arabic manuscripts’ that were unstudied can’t be because of Nut-bars like ‘Al-Shabab’ destroying places like Timbuktu. And there you go.
            Meanwhile, an Italian took the mathematics to Europe, published a book on it, and – along with many of the ‘Arabic wonders’ which travelling Europeans had seen (along with Roman, Greek, Egyptian, Norse, Chinese, East Indian) – they gobbled it up, improved on it, disseminated the information everywhere, and advanced societies, while the poor Arab World went backward in thought and practice.
            OF COURSE, ALL THAT IS ACKNOWLEDGED in the Histories which are allowed to be accurately written by those ‘free’ societies you love to dump on. But there you go. Voila. Man’s evolved mind gathered information always – and that includes Arabs, of course.
            The British built better boats too. Arguing about one huge ARK is silly – although maybe that’s why there’s no trees left in the Sinai … hmmmm 😉

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            Reasonableman

            Be mindful you said free societies while these men were either caliphs or under caliph rule which when the middle east will be free again. I am pro for free thinking and societies doesnt mean im pro democracy. Yes our countries have gone back or as i say hit rock bottom. I say this with faith only that once your at the bottom the only way left to go is up. So i hope i will be alive to see the look on everyones faces when this happens only time could tell, power over another will come no matter who wants it or hates it.(not open for interpritation) still plenty of manuscripts preserved and not molested care to lead by example 🙂 About the trees very witty i like it lol

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            5thDrawer

            Until the concept of ‘democratic rule’ came into being, it was only Kings and Caliphes and Tsars … lords and ladies leaping, etc. Some were good and some were not. The ‘House of Saud’ is like that. Same thing. What we may now refer to as a ‘Benevolent Dictatorship’ was the norm. Good ones allowed ‘their people’ to grow, as this also increased their own wealth and power. Growing meant learning. Wars meant losing. How will you guarantee a good Caliph?

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            Reasonableman

            Every hundred years there is a mujadid. A person who will revive the forgotten and correct the deviation. How do we know this or prove this. The fact that there are still muslims and the islam being spread without the innovations, previous mujadid are a long topic and isnt necessary aslong as they dont attribute anything new to the religion. (Not a caliph btw just a mujadid)

            A caliph will need the approval of all the believers of islam which is called giving bay3a(approval) his qualities will be

            1.he is muslim
            2. He be of age
            3.he be male
            4.he be of sound mind
            5.he be courages
            6.he be freed and not a slave
            7.he be accessible not hidden
            8.he be able able to conduct battles and beware of warlike tactics
            9. He be just
            .10.he be able to judge and pass verdicts on law and religion.
            It is very simple one who knows and holds islam firmly will know just as you know who your voting for in the upcoming elections

          7. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            While in my way of thinking:
            a leader can be of any religion you fail humanity
            In a gender equal society a leader can be a woman you again fail humanity
            In world of free people slavery is illegal and you fail humanity
            In a world of peace a leader should not be a warmonger yet again you fail humanity
            In a country of Law a leader has no business passing verdicts
            out of 10 points you get 5. 50% right is not really a good grade. Have you made it past high school? I really wonder.

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            Reasonableman

            There is nowhere in the quran that states women cannot be active members of society, there are many famous women philosophers, political leaders, scientist etc.
            In character thats what the khalifa will attribute, why a muslim? Simply because he will be ruling all the muslim land(do i really need to explain this)
            I can say slavery still exists as you and i in the west are slaves to the dollar but wikipedia sounds better

            Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and areforced to work.[1] Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation. Historically, slavery was institutionally recognized by many societies; in more recent times slavery has been outlawed in most societies but continues through the practices of debt bondage, indentured servitude, serfdom, domestic servants kept in captivity, certain adoptions in which children are forced to work as slaves, child soldiers, andforced marriage.[2] Slavery is illegal in every country in the world but there are still an estimated 27 million slaves worldwide; some opponents are hopeful that slavery can be eradicated by 2042.
            2042 is a rough figure just like anybody else i do hope there would be nomore before then.

            Hehe leader has no business passing verdicts and a war monger
            Warmonger is a harsh word hannibal now put this on the balance of equility a leader with the courage to fight battles against the oppresser compared to a leader like nowadays kicking back probably getting a kick out of the genocide the army(who blindly follow) commit for the purpose of consumerism, the funny thing is the key to being a soldier successfully is to not volunteer for ANYTHING!!! ofcourse this is a question beyond your intellect who cant see an arc being built with one of each creature inside yet is waiting for somebody to be ressurected from dead. I think you have had a conflict of interest in an attempt to be a fundamentalist in sheeps body.

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            Hannibal

            OK Let me discuss one point at a time.
            First the resurrection… I never said to you I believe or do not believe in it. I was just explaining to you the Christian religion which you seem to understand nothing but the cover not its content.
            Yet in your Koran you say that Jesus was born as a miracle… From a virgin. If God can do that… Hmmmm A man with one X chromosome lacking the Y transferred from a man’s sperm can’t God resurrect a man or yet make an Adam out of clay?
            I read those stories as stories for commoner’s with values as their “kholaasa” nothing else. I know God is much more… He is a creator within the boundaries of the physical world. We say in Christianity “youra wa ma la youra” which does not mean magic but lack of understanding within “ma la youra”.
            But here is the biggest difference between us… Actually THE MAJOR ONE DIFFERENCE: While on your holidays I wish you happiness and health YET I have to see people like you wishing me in kind during my religious holidays. People like you are ruling Egypt today and a decree that you are not as a moslem allowed to say Merry Christmas to a fellow Christian in Arabic is what we Christians experience in your world. YET at my university in the U.S. we fought together to give the moslem students a place to wash and a place to pray.
            My modern society will defeat yours because we will find you before you EVER have a Caliph and if you do we will castrate him and make him gargle with his balls.
            How is that for a tolerant Hannibal for you?
            Read your history, Lebanon will never be Islamist… We are born free and we WILL win. We are invincible and GOD is OUR KING… Not yours… You can see him standing tall in Jounieh’s suburbs with open arms and a heart of gold… We call HIM Yassou3 el MALAK….
            There is a saying we have in Lebanon… Now ruu7 enta wu jamee3tak, arbeeb el zoquun el weskha, balto el ba7er. 😉

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            Reasonableman

            Lol again i am not dissing your religion but act like a victim of being discrimation of being christian when what you say is what i point out. i am actually a believer in the arc a believe that jesus was born from virgin *be and it is* a believer jesus is in heaven (not crucified) and will return to bilad alsham. Now understand where youve been to understand where your going. Lakum dinakum waliya deen you go and practise your religion and we practise ours infact dubai is infested with christians saudi also just because we do not say merry christmas you want to have a cry boohoo you still have rights to practise your religion in churches at home on sundays. Whats your point? Lebanon syria palestine will come down to khalifa rulership and the opressers will be delt with individually, when? Allah knows. Who is in power today and in 20 yrs time allah knows. Until then 7le2 i havnt stepped on your toes so dontstep on mine. All i asked was a simple question but mr intolerent wants to give me a philosophy lesson but instead got schooled yalla kkaa777esshh.byebye

          11. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            infested? Do you hear yourself?
            Keep dreaming… khalifa will gargle with his testes…
            Jesus is the Lord and he is coming back to redeem the kuffaar like you.
            I won’t cry period but I am pointing out that Islamism is intolerant and we will prevail over you heathens…
            I guess it is time for a new crusade to teach you a lesson in humility.
            😛

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            5thDrawer

            Music is one thing … history of music another … and music makers and video makers don’t always understand either history or each other. 😉
            Good song, I guess.

          13. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            You live in history… I am talking present time and you suck. I am talking now now now… Stop singing history songs.

    2. Better than writing the names of those animals Muawiyah and Yazid. Whats funny is you talk as though you like El Sayyed Ali, 3a lay el Salim. The ones you worship are the ones who went to war against him and his family. Starting with Aisha. Look up you history fool. And please don’t bring some bull line from a hadith you have heard.

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      Hannibal

      another lunatic… Your screaming goes on deaf ears. Attack the Assad family all you like but blaming politics on Shia Islam is just Zealotry. It takes you nowhere.

  5. Leborigine Avatar
    Leborigine

    Is there any point you guys arguing about something that petty!? Look at each other as Lebanese, forget who is Shia or Sunni! Does it really matter what is written on a bullet?? Its the bullet that does the damage, not the writing, this is not Underworld! Come on guys, if it wasn’t for that s$ithole syria, you wouldn’t be arguing!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      I think with some, they would find something else to argue over anyway. Genetics?? 🙂
      In 2000 years again they will still be arguing … although probably about which part of Mars which ‘sect’ landed on first, and which has the ‘rights’ to the highest water-content rocks ‘gifted’ by the Fairy Princess Of Ancient Moonlavia. :-)))

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        Leborigine

        or Princess Transitria Of Ancient Moldovia

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    Leborigine

    Is there any point you guys arguing about something that petty!? Look at each other as Lebanese, forget who is Shia or Sunni! Does it really matter what is written on a bullet?? Its the bullet that does the damage, not the writing, this is not Underworld! Come on guys, if it wasn’t for that s$ithole syria, you wouldn’t be arguing!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      I think with some, they would find something else to argue over anyway. Genetics?? 🙂
      In 2000 years again they will still be arguing … although probably about which part of Mars which ‘sect’ landed on first, and which has the ‘rights’ to the highest water-content rocks ‘gifted’ by the Fairy Princess Of Ancient Moonlavia. :-)))

      1. Leborigine Avatar
        Leborigine

        or Princess Transitria Of Ancient Moldovia

  7. Hannibal Avatar
    Hannibal

    Omran al-Zoubi, with such a name who would really believe a word you say … lol

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      5thDrawer

      We’ve seen a few of these ‘Information Ministers’ 😉

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    Hannibal

    Omran al-Zoubi, with such a name who would really believe a word you say … lol

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      We’ve seen a few of these ‘Information Ministers’ 😉

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