7 protesters killed in Syria including a teenager as protest turn violent

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Syrian President Bashar Assad’s effort to drown out pro-democracy protests exploded into clashes between government supporters and opponents Tuesday, and security forces opened fire and killed seven people, including a teenager, activists said.

It was the latest deadly turn in a 3-month-old uprising that appears unbowed by a relentless government crackdown. The violence flared a day after a speech in which Assad, trying to contain the situation, offered a vague promise of reform, one brushed off as too little, too late, by the opposition, which wants an end to the Assad family’s 40-year authoritarian rule.

In an attempt to blunt the uprising’s momentum, tens of thousands of regime supporters converged on squares in several major cities on Tuesday, shouting, “The people want Bashar Assad!” and releasing black, white and red balloons — colors of the Syrian flag.

Three other people were reported killed in Homs, in central Syria, and three in the Mayadin district in the eastern city of Deir el Zour during pro- and anti-regime demonstrations.

The pro- and anti-Assad sides have fought each other in the past, but Tuesday’s bloodshed appeared to be the worst such violence.

“We are seeing an escalation by authorities today,” said Omar Idilbi, spokesman for the committees. “They are sending pro-government thugs along with security forces to attack protesters.”

The opposition estimates more than 1,400 Syrians have been killed and 10,000 detained as Assad unleashed his military and security forces to crush the protest movement, which sprang to life in March inspired by the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt.

Assad, who belongs to the minority Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shiite Islam, still enjoys support in Syria, although it is dwindling. His main base is among the business elite and middle classes who have benefited from his economic policies, and among minority groups that fear being targeted if the country’s Sunni Muslim majority takes over.

Activists claimed, however, that the government mobilized pro-regime demonstrators Tuesday, forcing students to participate and busing in people from villages in the Mediterranean coastal heartland of the ruling elite.

An eyewitness in Homs told The Associated Press a pro-Assad protest with some 10,000 participants “descended” on the city. “Nobody knows them, they are strangers to the city, they were asking for directions,” he said.

“The security forces arrested the wounded. They stepped on them on the ground and arrested them,” said the witness, who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.

In the restive northern province of Idlib, where the army has conducted operations for days, activists said soldiers had reached Hamboushieh, a village a mile (2 kilometers) from where thousands of displaced Syrians were camped out on the Syrian side of the Turkish border. Heavy shooting was reported in the area, but its source was not immediately clear.

Thousands more had already fled into Turkey. The U.N. refugee agency’s spokesman, Adrian Edwards, said Tuesday that 500 to 1,000 people a day have been crossing from northern Syria into Turkey since June 7, and more than 10,000 were being sheltered by Turkish authorities in four border camps.

Three other people were reported killed in Homs, in central Syria, and three in the Mayadin district in the eastern city of Deir el Zour during pro- and anti-regime demonstrations.

The pro- and anti-Assad sides have fought each other in the past, but Tuesday’s bloodshed appeared to be the worst such violence.

“We are seeing an escalation by authorities today,” said Omar Idilbi, spokesman for the committees. “They are sending pro-government thugs along with security forces to attack protesters.”

The opposition estimates more than 1,400 Syrians have been killed and 10,000 detained as Assad unleashed his military and security forces to crush the protest movement, which sprang to life in March inspired by the revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt.

The unending government repression and bloodshed appeared to be driving even Russia, a longtime Syria backer, to distance itself from Assad, as international pressure mounts for him to accept major political change.

“We need to apply pressure on the leadership of any country where massive unrest, and especially bloodshed, is happening,” Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said in Paris.

“In the modern world it is impossible to use political instruments of 40 years ago,” Putin said of the Syrians’ tactics. It remained to be seen, however, whether this signaled a change in Moscow’s opposition to tough U.N. action on Syria.

Assad’s speech at Damascus University on Monday was only his third public appearance since the uprising began in March. He said a national dialogue would start soon and he was forming a committee to study constitutional amendments, including one that would open the way to forming political parties other than the ruling Baath Party. He acknowledged demands for reform were legitimate, but he rehashed allegations that “saboteurs” were exploiting the movement.

Like earlier efforts, this Assad bid to appease the opposition fell flat. Prominent dissident Hassan Abdul-Azim, echoing the sentiments of others, said the Syrian president failed to detail a vision of moving “from a dictatorship into a national democratic regime with political pluralism.”

In the hours after Monday’s speech, the state-run news agency SANA said Assad was offering a “general amnesty” for crimes committed before June 20. But there were few details, and it appeared the decree applied only to prisoners with a fatal illness or who were convicted of minor smuggling or drug charges.

The International Committee of the Red Cross announced in Geneva on Tuesday the Syrian government has promised to give it and the Syrian Red Crescent more access to Syrians wounded and detained in the crackdown.

The announcement came after ICRC President Jakob Kellenberger met with Prime Minister Adel Safar and Foreign Minister Walid Moallem in Damascus. Kellenberger had urged Syria to allow the humanitarian organizations to operate unhindered to assess the needs of those affected in the unrest and military operations.

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78 responses to “7 protesters killed in Syria including a teenager as protest turn violent”

  1. Yesterday i was watching NBN,and there was a march for assad in syria i dont know if you

    guys saw it or not,but after what I saw, I realized  he is defenitly not going anywhere,there were

    seas and seas of people,i mean millions…and the funny thing is al arabia and al jazeera didnt even

    show one picture of it…biased journalism at its best…anyway just an observation,that you guys are

    dead wrong if you think this man doesnt have the support of his nation….good day…

    1. Beiruti Avatar

      And on top of it Assad has support from Lebanese like you, you probably cry because the Cedar Revolution happened.
      You love Hezbollah so much as i can tell through out your posts on this site, which im not going to debate about.
      Hezbollahs validity is based on a resistance from which you understand it, because they resist and fight Israel.
      You love Assad so much because he gives arms to your gang, but i bet in the late 80s you were swearing at Syria and spitting on Assad when he was sending his army to fight against Hezbollah. 

      Its alright you and your gang should just bluntly tell the Lebanese that you support the massacres happening in Syria, because after all it doesn’t matter because Syria supports Hezbollah right?

      1. I love freedom..william wallace freedom sir…thats all i love and thats all i support,

        some people write books while others read them…..all im saying i saw the millions,

        numbers dont lie brother..bro do me a favor get some croc with red bull and chill,

        your angry man..wow..i have an opinion,i dont control lebanon,or its choices,or the world,

        i am a person with an opinion….thats it…i have no power or anything like that..why bring up

        the 80s and me spitting on syria when it was the chrisitans that invited the syrians to lebanon..

        so if you wanna use history be careful…we have a new goverment,new leadership,the harrir mafia

        regime is over…hard pill to swallow, i know,its been years of rape and robbery…u guys like that

        we dont…lets see what the new goverment does,not HA or aoun,the new goverment….if they dont

        take care of the people and there issues i will attack them the same way i attacked the 14 azar

        goverment….thats all i can do,…

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Those dreadful Christians indeed … the ones that Lebanon was ‘re-created’ for by France, when they wanted to downsize empire but then noticed ‘Syrians’ were killing people for being Christians – along with a few others. Later History screwed it all up anyway eventually … but I doubt it was Christians inviting Syrians to come to ‘save’ them by the 80’s.
          If you need to have an opinion, throw some facts into it.

        2. Beiruti Avatar

          Im not angry, i just find it funny how never once you answered my questions directly or admitted that what i am saying is true. Once again you are using the crimes of the past to justify the crimes of the present. I was stating that the Shi’ites that supported Hezbollah used to spit on the Syrians which is true because the two fought fiercly.

          Easy there on the facts, the Christians didn’t invite the Syrians in Lebanon, we didn’t mind them coming in and helping us and pushing the PLO back, because when they invaded already 40,000 Christians were killed by the PLO. The Arab League gave Syria the green light far before anyways. Syria invaded because they saw this as a chance to reclaim their so called “Lost Land”, they used this as an excuse which was quite clearly obvious because 2 years later major battles between the Christians and Syrian had begun.

          Hariri Mafia? Please the Hariris have no blood on their hands, absolutely zero. Tell me a person that was killed by the order of Rafik Hariri. 

          You use the period and comma a lot, write a bit cleaner next time 🙂

      2. I love freedom..william wallace freedom sir…thats all i love and thats all i support,

        some people write books while others read them…..all im saying i saw the millions,

        numbers dont lie brother..bro do me a favor get some croc with red bull and chill,

        your angry man..wow..i have an opinion,i dont control lebanon,or its choices,or the world,

        i am a person with an opinion….thats it…i have no power or anything like that..why bring up

        the 80s and me spitting on syria when it was the chrisitans that invited the syrians to lebanon..

        so if you wanna use history be careful…we have a new goverment,new leadership,the harrir mafia

        regime is over…hard pill to swallow, i know,its been years of rape and robbery…u guys like that

        we dont…lets see what the new goverment does,not HA or aoun,the new goverment….if they dont

        take care of the people and there issues i will attack them the same way i attacked the 14 azar

        goverment….thats all i can do,…

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Those dreadful Christians indeed … the ones that Lebanon was ‘re-created’ for by France, when they wanted to downsize empire but then noticed ‘Syrians’ were killing people for being Christians – along with a few others. Later History screwed it all up anyway eventually … but I doubt it was Christians inviting Syrians to come to ‘save’ them by the 80’s.
          If you need to have an opinion, throw some facts into it.

        2. Beiruti Avatar

          Im not angry, i just find it funny how never once you answered my questions directly or admitted that what i am saying is true. Once again you are using the crimes of the past to justify the crimes of the present. I was stating that the Shi’ites that supported Hezbollah used to spit on the Syrians which is true because the two fought fiercly.

          Easy there on the facts, the Christians didn’t invite the Syrians in Lebanon, we didn’t mind them coming in and helping us and pushing the PLO back, because when they invaded already 40,000 Christians were killed by the PLO. The Arab League gave Syria the green light far before anyways. Syria invaded because they saw this as a chance to reclaim their so called “Lost Land”, they used this as an excuse which was quite clearly obvious because 2 years later major battles between the Christians and Syrian had begun.

          Hariri Mafia? Please the Hariris have no blood on their hands, absolutely zero. Tell me a person that was killed by the order of Rafik Hariri. 

          You use the period and comma a lot, write a bit cleaner next time 🙂

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Read the report that the marchers were forced into doing it – same tactics that Gadhaffi uses obviously. Do you think that many people have no jobs to go to?? The whole of what has happened in Syria is revolting.

      1. Beiruti Avatar

        Who are you to say those dreadful Christians? Go read a book you clueless shit.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          🙂  That was meant to sound a little sarcastic … obliviously to some perhaps.
          This humble shit does read on occasion … but I only got to the chapter where the Romans filled in the ocean to get their hands on Tyre – the origional Lebanese trading post. (Like the Jews of the time – a peace-loving people needing a fortified city on an island – yet always being shot at by Megalomaniacs because they were successful.)

          errrr .. how’s that? 😉

        2. Beiruti Avatar

          My sincere apologies i did not interpret the sarcasm there. Once again i apologize.

        3. Beiruti Avatar

          My sincere apologies i did not interpret the sarcasm there. Once again i apologize.

        4. Mosetsfire Avatar
          Mosetsfire

          this is more for your comment above…In the 80s and 90s you would have found every Sunni Muslim in Lebanon lining up if they had the chance to kill Samir Geagea….Now he is one of my favorite people…Relationships change and that’s the way of things… Where we do agree however, is that the change in attitude toward Syria from Hezbollah was not for the better for Lebanese interests, but rather for Nassrallah to push personal propaganda and Iranian interests in the region.

        5. Mosetsfire Avatar
          Mosetsfire

          this is more for your comment above…In the 80s and 90s you would have found every Sunni Muslim in Lebanon lining up if they had the chance to kill Samir Geagea….Now he is one of my favorite people…Relationships change and that’s the way of things… Where we do agree however, is that the change in attitude toward Syria from Hezbollah was not for the better for Lebanese interests, but rather for Nassrallah to push personal propaganda and Iranian interests in the region.

  2. Yesterday i was watching NBN,and there was a march for assad in syria i dont know if you

    guys saw it or not,but after what I saw, I realized  he is defenitly not going anywhere,there were

    seas and seas of people,i mean millions…and the funny thing is al arabia and al jazeera didnt even

    show one picture of it…biased journalism at its best…anyway just an observation,that you guys are

    dead wrong if you think this man doesnt have the support of his nation….good day…

  3. Yesterday i was watching NBN,and there was a march for assad in syria i dont know if you

    guys saw it or not,but after what I saw, I realized  he is defenitly not going anywhere,there were

    seas and seas of people,i mean millions…and the funny thing is al arabia and al jazeera didnt even

    show one picture of it…biased journalism at its best…anyway just an observation,that you guys are

    dead wrong if you think this man doesnt have the support of his nation….good day…

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      And on top of it Assad has support from Lebanese like you, you probably cry because the Cedar Revolution happened.
      You love Hezbollah so much as i can tell through out your posts on this site, which im not going to debate about.
      Hezbollahs validity is based on a resistance from which you understand it, because they resist and fight Israel.
      You love Assad so much because he gives arms to your gang, but i bet in the late 80s you were swearing at Syria and spitting on Assad when he was sending his army to fight against Hezbollah. 

      Its alright you and your gang should just bluntly tell the Lebanese that you support the massacres happening in Syria, because after all it doesn’t matter because Syria supports Hezbollah right?

      1. I love freedom..william wallace freedom sir…thats all i love and thats all i support,

        some people write books while others read them…..all im saying i saw the millions,

        numbers dont lie brother..bro do me a favor get some croc with red bull and chill,

        your angry man..wow..i have an opinion,i dont control lebanon,or its choices,or the world,

        i am a person with an opinion….thats it…i have no power or anything like that..why bring up

        the 80s and me spitting on syria when it was the chrisitans that invited the syrians to lebanon..

        so if you wanna use history be careful…we have a new goverment,new leadership,the harrir mafia

        regime is over…hard pill to swallow, i know,its been years of rape and robbery…u guys like that

        we dont…lets see what the new goverment does,not HA or aoun,the new goverment….if they dont

        take care of the people and there issues i will attack them the same way i attacked the 14 azar

        goverment….thats all i can do,…

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Those dreadful Christians indeed … the ones that Lebanon was ‘re-created’ for by France, when they wanted to downsize empire but then noticed ‘Syrians’ were killing people for being Christians – along with a few others. Later History screwed it all up anyway eventually … but I doubt it was Christians inviting Syrians to come to ‘save’ them by the 80’s.
          If you need to have an opinion, throw some facts into it.

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Im not angry, i just find it funny how never once you answered my questions directly or admitted that what i am saying is true. Once again you are using the crimes of the past to justify the crimes of the present. I was stating that the Shi’ites that supported Hezbollah used to spit on the Syrians which is true because the two fought fiercly.

          Easy there on the facts, the Christians didn’t invite the Syrians in Lebanon, we didn’t mind them coming in and helping us and pushing the PLO back, because when they invaded already 40,000 Christians were killed by the PLO. The Arab League gave Syria the green light far before anyways. Syria invaded because they saw this as a chance to reclaim their so called “Lost Land”, they used this as an excuse which was quite clearly obvious because 2 years later major battles between the Christians and Syrian had begun.

          Hariri Mafia? Please the Hariris have no blood on their hands, absolutely zero. Tell me a person that was killed by the order of Rafik Hariri. 

          You use the period and comma a lot, write a bit cleaner next time 🙂

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Read the report that the marchers were forced into doing it – same tactics that Gadhaffi uses obviously. Do you think that many people have no jobs to go to?? The whole of what has happened in Syria is revolting.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Who are you to say those dreadful Christians? Go read a book you clueless shit.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          🙂  That was meant to sound a little sarcastic … obliviously to some perhaps.
          This humble shit does read on occasion … but I only got to the chapter where the Romans filled in the ocean to get their hands on Tyre – the origional Lebanese trading post. (Like the Jews of the time – a peace-loving people needing a fortified city on an island – yet always being shot at by Megalomaniacs because they were successful.)

          errrr .. how’s that? 😉

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          My sincere apologies i did not interpret the sarcasm there. Once again i apologize.

        3. this is more for your comment above…In the 80s and 90s you would have found every Sunni Muslim in Lebanon lining up if they had the chance to kill Samir Geagea….Now he is one of my favorite people…Relationships change and that’s the way of things… Where we do agree however, is that the change in attitude toward Syria from Hezbollah was not for the better for Lebanese interests, but rather for Nassrallah to push personal propaganda and Iranian interests in the region.

  4. I got this article from aljazeera,its saying the sayed shouldve stayed neutral bout the syrian crisis,i have my views
    would like to hear if you guys agree with this assesment…..

    “Is there something amiss within Hezbollah?
    It rose from the ignominy of oblivion, feudal exploitation, sectarian bias, and overall marginalisation to occupy political centre stage. In fewer than thirty years it converted Shia socio-political weightlessness into a counterbalancing political gravity.
    It stood up against the Israeli Goliath. It survived the “incendiaries” dropped on it by Arab politicians arrayed against it from Amman to Cairo. It outclassed its enemies within and outside of Lebanon, with imaginative political guile and fine calculation against all odds.
    But resisting the Goliath of Tel Aviv while embracing the lion of Damascus risks a decreasing commitment to Arab revolution within “the Party of God” – and to its own revolutionary standing.
    Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah: Born in revolution
    He was born to lead. Most leaders are born within existing political organisations. Not Sayyed Hassan. His political birth preceded the founding of Hezbollah by four years.He was no stranger to revolution, Palestinian and Iranian. But it was within the bosom of the Iranian revolution that his leadership was conceived.
    At 21 years of age, Nasrallah was acclaimed as a rising star by the late Ayatollah Khomeini in the Jamaran Husseiniyyah, North of Tehran in 1981. The young Nasrallah was in the company comrades-in-arms from Amal, another Shia political organisation, and the gist of the discussion was about ways of supporting the Palestinian cause and humbling the supremacist powers of the West.  Impressed with the young Nasrallah, Khomeini sealed Sayyid Hassan’s leadership by consecrating and empowering him for the collection and distribution of religious taxes – known as hisbiyyah – including the khums (one-fifth of gain or profit) and the obligatory Islamic alms-giving tax, zakat. Khomeini was very selective as well as frugal in assignment of hisbiyyah roles, roles not assigned to the party’s first Secretary-General, Subhi al-Tufaily until 1987 and to his successor, Sayyid Abbas Musawi, the young Nasrallah’s mentor, in 1986.
    Moreover, the anointment was additionally sealed by Khomeini’s address to the young Nasrallah as a “Hojjat al-Islam”, a ranking denoting high scholarly accomplishment.
    Musawi, Nasrallah’s teacher in the Holy Najaf seminary, and later his mentor as Secretary-General of Hezbollah until his assassination in 1992, also saw leadership potential in the young Nasrallah. This explains the camaraderie that bound the two men. They joined and split from Amal, then fought it, moving on with others to mould a small band of zealous combatants into a formidable political and military organisation: Hezbollah. ‘Lebanon’s Che Guevara’
    “Praise to God … who chose a martyr from my family, bestowing upon us the gift of martyrdom, and including us in the community of the Holy Martyrs’ families.” Thus Sayyed Hassan celebrated the killing by Israel of his eldest son Hadi in combat in September 1997.
    In that same speech, Nasrallah expressed relief at Hadi’s martyrdom for putting him and his family on equal with all other parents who lost their sons in the fight against Israel. 
    This is a story worth recounting, for two reasons. Firstly, Sayyed Nasrallah strikes a chord with his Arab constituency for having always acted, thought, and spoken as one of them. He knew poverty; he saw action in the battlefield; and he consistently commits himself to the ideals he has preached. The other reason, and specifically in relation to the cast of leadership Arab revolution is sweeping away, Nasrallah stands out: the privileges accrued by Arab leaders, their families, sons and daughters – from Libya to Syria – are never tolerated by Hezbollah.Hadi Nasrallah was neither a Saif Gaddafi nor a Gamal Mubarak; and Nasrallah’s cousin, Hashim Safi Al-Din, assigned to the command of the Southern Lebanon region since November 2010, is no Rami Makhlouf, Syria’s corrupt billionaire.
    ‘Oracle of the oppressed’
    For me two leitmotifs explain Hezbollah: “deprivation” and “resistance”. They go hand in hand. They set people like Raghd Harb, and before him Musa Al-Sadr, who engineered Shia empowerment, on a fascinating course of political history: resistance within against “deprivation” or hirman, and against occupation.Hezbollah’s 1985 first political manifesto, The Open Letter, [“al-Risalah al-Maftuhah”], resonates with Che-Khomeini rhetoric: the language of “world imperialism” mixed with meaning about “the oppressed”, “down-trodden”, “justice”, “self-determination” and “liberty”.The sea of people I saw in August 2006 that came to greet and listen to Nasrallah after the 34-day war with Israel related to these messages. They still do. Many more do the same from Rabat to Sana’a. Nasrallah’s oratory in the “Divine Pledge” [al-Wa’d al-Sadiq] before hundreds of thousands, was electrifying – as ever, the oracle of the down-trodden, crushed by injustice and occupation. In Nasrallah’s mantra of change via resistance, or muqawamah, they find solace, a kind of redemption, and hope for reconstitution as equals to all free human beings.This is why in 2006, as in 2000 when Israel was forced to end its occupation of Lebanon’s south, Nasrallah rode high on a wave of pan-Arab and pan-Islamic popularity not known in the Arab world since the death of Nasser in September 1970. A leader from the minority sect of Islam replaced Sunni Nasser as the emblem of resistance and freedom. Inspired by Imam Khomeini, Nasrallah modernised Hezbollah and articulated a political project, which embodied empowerment, transforming Ashura and the entirety of the Karabala imaginary into a potent inventory for re-inventing not only the political, but also Shia identity in Lebanon. Hezbollah and Syria’s Revolution
    Heralded by millions of Muslim fans as “the mastermind of the resistance” – or “the Muslim Che Guevara” – while demonised by the US Congress and Israel as a “terrorist”, Nasrallah’s rhetoric vis-à-vis the Syrian regime makes him an oddity in two ways. Firstly, resistance is not divisible. Resistance is resistance, whether deployed against a colonial oppressor or against the indigenous oppressor, occupying, in this instance, the Arab state.The same goes for freedom; it is not divisible. Resistance in the quest for freedom applies to the occupied Lebanese and Palestinian as much as to the oppressed Syrian or Yemeni. Nasrallah was among the first to lend support to Arab revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia, and later to the down-trodden protesting against marginalisation in Bahrain. Withholding support for the uprising in Syria – because the regime supports muqawamah and opposes imperialism – is speaking with two tongues vis-à-vis Arab revolution. It is the Syrian masses who stand behind Hezbollah’s resistance. The credit does not belong to the Assad dynasty. Some credit is due to the state even if the Assads, for whatever reasons or interests, prefer resistance by proxy, in Gaza and Southern Lebanon – but not in the Golan Heights. The Assads will depart some day. The Syrians are here to stay.Syria: Maher or Bashar?Secondly, Nasrallah did not need state endorsement of the Syrian regime – even though his speech back in May expressed equal appreciation to the Syrian people and concern for stability. Back in 2006, a pearl of wisdom from Sayyed Hassan suggested the Jordanian and Egyptian leaders held their tongues instead of criticising Hezbollah at a critical time – when bombs were raining on the South and al-Dahiya. Silence may have been more eloquent on this occasion too, rather than speaking in favour of a regime that was at the time guilty of massive brutality against many Syrian towns and their communities.Protests from average citizens eloquently state that they desire a Syria of the people, from and to the people. Not a dynasty. This casts doubt as to whether the current regime is still favoured by a majority of the people – Nasrallah’s information suggests otherwise. Arab revolutions have been indicative referenda in countries where no such things take place – and when they do they are pre-ordained.Equally important is whether Bashar al-Assad is even in charge – and if he is a lame-duck president completely bamboozled by younger brother Maher and the likes of brother-in-law Asef Shawkat, then Bashar is no longer of use either to the muqawamah in Lebanon or to his own people.It may be that Bashar represents the gentler side of politics in Syria – as his rhetoric about planned reforms months ago seemed to intimate. But how are Syrians to ascertain that ,when no reforms have taken place? Moreover, today it is Maher’s tanks that are doing the talking and leading in Syria.The only difference between the martyrs whose pictures ornate the streets of al-Dahiya and Harat Hrayek, including Sayyed Hadi Nasrallah Boulevard and the hundreds killed in Syria is the latter are victims fallen at the hands of compatriot rulers.
    Is Bashar still in control? If he is he must stop Maher’s killing fields.Hirman – marginalisation and misery
    The displaced and dispossessed of Lebanon, including the Shia population, know the full meaning of hirman or deprivation and misery. Thus, they are the first to relate to the Arab revolution. It is the fodder of the protesting masses and the very trigger that led Mohamed Bou’azizi back in December 2010 to set himself alight.The language of deprivation is an inseparable bond between the deprived of the streets of al-Dahiya al-Janubiyyah and Sidi Bouzid, Dar’aa, Taiz or Imbaba. Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah has always had his ear close to the ground, bonding with the dispossessed. This is the real and secret moral arsenal Hezbollah is in possession of, not its rockets and military prowess.Perhaps his eloquence will rediscover that language in order to re-edit, on this occasion, a clumsy transcript. Particularly, to edit out his endorsement of those responsible for oppression in Syria, to counsel radical reform, a government through popular choice, as stated in The Open Letter, Hezbollah’s 1985 manifesto, and to reconnect with the ethos of peaceful resistance as a natural right for the downtrodden.”In politics, it is never late to do so.
    Dr Larbi Sadiki is a Senior Lecturer in Middle East Politics at the University of Exeter, and author of Arab Democratization: Elections without Democracy (Oxford University Press, 2009) and The Search for Arab Democracy: Discourses and Counter-Discourses (Columbia University Press, 2004).
    The views expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera’s editorial policy.

    1. Beiruti Avatar

      Brief it no one has time to read this.

      1. Mosetsfire Avatar
        Mosetsfire

        Hassan Nassrallah says “blah blah blah im a hmar”

        summary over.

        1. Beiruti Avatar

          Accurate enough lol.

        2. Beiruti Avatar

          Accurate enough lol.

    2. Beiruti Avatar

      Brief it no one has time to read this.

    3. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      The politics within the purported religion … interesting.
      ‘The displaced and dispossessed of Lebanon’ …. mostly these are the women it seems to me.
      Which is understandable if Nasrallah was ‘Inspired by Imam Khomein’. (The Taliban take that dispossession to the max.)
      Revolutionaries begin with admirable desires to ‘help’ THEIR OWN people … and in the end often cause the suffering of so many more for much longer times – because they become that which they opposed … Monarchs of Repression. They can’t stand it if there’s an evolution of thought.
      IF there were allowances for democratic processes in the revolution, Lebanon would have had a ‘cabinet’ 5 days after the last proper election.

  5. I got this article from aljazeera,its saying the sayed shouldve stayed neutral bout the syrian crisis,i have my views
    would like to hear if you guys agree with this assesment…..

    “Is there something amiss within Hezbollah?
    It rose from the ignominy of oblivion, feudal exploitation, sectarian bias, and overall marginalisation to occupy political centre stage. In fewer than thirty years it converted Shia socio-political weightlessness into a counterbalancing political gravity.
    It stood up against the Israeli Goliath. It survived the “incendiaries” dropped on it by Arab politicians arrayed against it from Amman to Cairo. It outclassed its enemies within and outside of Lebanon, with imaginative political guile and fine calculation against all odds.
    But resisting the Goliath of Tel Aviv while embracing the lion of Damascus risks a decreasing commitment to Arab revolution within “the Party of God” – and to its own revolutionary standing.
    Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah: Born in revolution
    He was born to lead. Most leaders are born within existing political organisations. Not Sayyed Hassan. His political birth preceded the founding of Hezbollah by four years.He was no stranger to revolution, Palestinian and Iranian. But it was within the bosom of the Iranian revolution that his leadership was conceived.
    At 21 years of age, Nasrallah was acclaimed as a rising star by the late Ayatollah Khomeini in the Jamaran Husseiniyyah, North of Tehran in 1981. The young Nasrallah was in the company comrades-in-arms from Amal, another Shia political organisation, and the gist of the discussion was about ways of supporting the Palestinian cause and humbling the supremacist powers of the West.  Impressed with the young Nasrallah, Khomeini sealed Sayyid Hassan’s leadership by consecrating and empowering him for the collection and distribution of religious taxes – known as hisbiyyah – including the khums (one-fifth of gain or profit) and the obligatory Islamic alms-giving tax, zakat. Khomeini was very selective as well as frugal in assignment of hisbiyyah roles, roles not assigned to the party’s first Secretary-General, Subhi al-Tufaily until 1987 and to his successor, Sayyid Abbas Musawi, the young Nasrallah’s mentor, in 1986.
    Moreover, the anointment was additionally sealed by Khomeini’s address to the young Nasrallah as a “Hojjat al-Islam”, a ranking denoting high scholarly accomplishment.
    Musawi, Nasrallah’s teacher in the Holy Najaf seminary, and later his mentor as Secretary-General of Hezbollah until his assassination in 1992, also saw leadership potential in the young Nasrallah. This explains the camaraderie that bound the two men. They joined and split from Amal, then fought it, moving on with others to mould a small band of zealous combatants into a formidable political and military organisation: Hezbollah. ‘Lebanon’s Che Guevara’
    “Praise to God … who chose a martyr from my family, bestowing upon us the gift of martyrdom, and including us in the community of the Holy Martyrs’ families.” Thus Sayyed Hassan celebrated the killing by Israel of his eldest son Hadi in combat in September 1997.
    In that same speech, Nasrallah expressed relief at Hadi’s martyrdom for putting him and his family on equal with all other parents who lost their sons in the fight against Israel. 
    This is a story worth recounting, for two reasons. Firstly, Sayyed Nasrallah strikes a chord with his Arab constituency for having always acted, thought, and spoken as one of them. He knew poverty; he saw action in the battlefield; and he consistently commits himself to the ideals he has preached. The other reason, and specifically in relation to the cast of leadership Arab revolution is sweeping away, Nasrallah stands out: the privileges accrued by Arab leaders, their families, sons and daughters – from Libya to Syria – are never tolerated by Hezbollah.Hadi Nasrallah was neither a Saif Gaddafi nor a Gamal Mubarak; and Nasrallah’s cousin, Hashim Safi Al-Din, assigned to the command of the Southern Lebanon region since November 2010, is no Rami Makhlouf, Syria’s corrupt billionaire.
    ‘Oracle of the oppressed’
    For me two leitmotifs explain Hezbollah: “deprivation” and “resistance”. They go hand in hand. They set people like Raghd Harb, and before him Musa Al-Sadr, who engineered Shia empowerment, on a fascinating course of political history: resistance within against “deprivation” or hirman, and against occupation.Hezbollah’s 1985 first political manifesto, The Open Letter, [“al-Risalah al-Maftuhah”], resonates with Che-Khomeini rhetoric: the language of “world imperialism” mixed with meaning about “the oppressed”, “down-trodden”, “justice”, “self-determination” and “liberty”.The sea of people I saw in August 2006 that came to greet and listen to Nasrallah after the 34-day war with Israel related to these messages. They still do. Many more do the same from Rabat to Sana’a. Nasrallah’s oratory in the “Divine Pledge” [al-Wa’d al-Sadiq] before hundreds of thousands, was electrifying – as ever, the oracle of the down-trodden, crushed by injustice and occupation. In Nasrallah’s mantra of change via resistance, or muqawamah, they find solace, a kind of redemption, and hope for reconstitution as equals to all free human beings.This is why in 2006, as in 2000 when Israel was forced to end its occupation of Lebanon’s south, Nasrallah rode high on a wave of pan-Arab and pan-Islamic popularity not known in the Arab world since the death of Nasser in September 1970. A leader from the minority sect of Islam replaced Sunni Nasser as the emblem of resistance and freedom. Inspired by Imam Khomeini, Nasrallah modernised Hezbollah and articulated a political project, which embodied empowerment, transforming Ashura and the entirety of the Karabala imaginary into a potent inventory for re-inventing not only the political, but also Shia identity in Lebanon. Hezbollah and Syria’s Revolution
    Heralded by millions of Muslim fans as “the mastermind of the resistance” – or “the Muslim Che Guevara” – while demonised by the US Congress and Israel as a “terrorist”, Nasrallah’s rhetoric vis-à-vis the Syrian regime makes him an oddity in two ways. Firstly, resistance is not divisible. Resistance is resistance, whether deployed against a colonial oppressor or against the indigenous oppressor, occupying, in this instance, the Arab state.The same goes for freedom; it is not divisible. Resistance in the quest for freedom applies to the occupied Lebanese and Palestinian as much as to the oppressed Syrian or Yemeni. Nasrallah was among the first to lend support to Arab revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia, and later to the down-trodden protesting against marginalisation in Bahrain. Withholding support for the uprising in Syria – because the regime supports muqawamah and opposes imperialism – is speaking with two tongues vis-à-vis Arab revolution. It is the Syrian masses who stand behind Hezbollah’s resistance. The credit does not belong to the Assad dynasty. Some credit is due to the state even if the Assads, for whatever reasons or interests, prefer resistance by proxy, in Gaza and Southern Lebanon – but not in the Golan Heights. The Assads will depart some day. The Syrians are here to stay.Syria: Maher or Bashar?Secondly, Nasrallah did not need state endorsement of the Syrian regime – even though his speech back in May expressed equal appreciation to the Syrian people and concern for stability. Back in 2006, a pearl of wisdom from Sayyed Hassan suggested the Jordanian and Egyptian leaders held their tongues instead of criticising Hezbollah at a critical time – when bombs were raining on the South and al-Dahiya. Silence may have been more eloquent on this occasion too, rather than speaking in favour of a regime that was at the time guilty of massive brutality against many Syrian towns and their communities.Protests from average citizens eloquently state that they desire a Syria of the people, from and to the people. Not a dynasty. This casts doubt as to whether the current regime is still favoured by a majority of the people – Nasrallah’s information suggests otherwise. Arab revolutions have been indicative referenda in countries where no such things take place – and when they do they are pre-ordained.Equally important is whether Bashar al-Assad is even in charge – and if he is a lame-duck president completely bamboozled by younger brother Maher and the likes of brother-in-law Asef Shawkat, then Bashar is no longer of use either to the muqawamah in Lebanon or to his own people.It may be that Bashar represents the gentler side of politics in Syria – as his rhetoric about planned reforms months ago seemed to intimate. But how are Syrians to ascertain that ,when no reforms have taken place? Moreover, today it is Maher’s tanks that are doing the talking and leading in Syria.The only difference between the martyrs whose pictures ornate the streets of al-Dahiya and Harat Hrayek, including Sayyed Hadi Nasrallah Boulevard and the hundreds killed in Syria is the latter are victims fallen at the hands of compatriot rulers.
    Is Bashar still in control? If he is he must stop Maher’s killing fields.Hirman – marginalisation and misery
    The displaced and dispossessed of Lebanon, including the Shia population, know the full meaning of hirman or deprivation and misery. Thus, they are the first to relate to the Arab revolution. It is the fodder of the protesting masses and the very trigger that led Mohamed Bou’azizi back in December 2010 to set himself alight.The language of deprivation is an inseparable bond between the deprived of the streets of al-Dahiya al-Janubiyyah and Sidi Bouzid, Dar’aa, Taiz or Imbaba. Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah has always had his ear close to the ground, bonding with the dispossessed. This is the real and secret moral arsenal Hezbollah is in possession of, not its rockets and military prowess.Perhaps his eloquence will rediscover that language in order to re-edit, on this occasion, a clumsy transcript. Particularly, to edit out his endorsement of those responsible for oppression in Syria, to counsel radical reform, a government through popular choice, as stated in The Open Letter, Hezbollah’s 1985 manifesto, and to reconnect with the ethos of peaceful resistance as a natural right for the downtrodden.”In politics, it is never late to do so.
    Dr Larbi Sadiki is a Senior Lecturer in Middle East Politics at the University of Exeter, and author of Arab Democratization: Elections without Democracy (Oxford University Press, 2009) and The Search for Arab Democracy: Discourses and Counter-Discourses (Columbia University Press, 2004).
    The views expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera’s editorial policy.

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      Anonymous

      Brief it no one has time to read this.

      1. Hassan Nassrallah says “blah blah blah im a hmar”

        summary over.

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          Anonymous

          Accurate enough lol.

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      Anonymous

      Brief it no one has time to read this.

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      Anonymous

      The politics within the purported religion … interesting.
      ‘The displaced and dispossessed of Lebanon’ …. mostly these are the women it seems to me.

  6. I got this article from aljazeera,its saying the sayed shouldve stayed neutral bout the syrian crisis,i have my views
    would like to hear if you guys agree with this assesment…..

    “Is there something amiss within Hezbollah?
    It rose from the ignominy of oblivion, feudal exploitation, sectarian bias, and overall marginalisation to occupy political centre stage. In fewer than thirty years it converted Shia socio-political weightlessness into a counterbalancing political gravity.
    It stood up against the Israeli Goliath. It survived the “incendiaries” dropped on it by Arab politicians arrayed against it from Amman to Cairo. It outclassed its enemies within and outside of Lebanon, with imaginative political guile and fine calculation against all odds.
    But resisting the Goliath of Tel Aviv while embracing the lion of Damascus risks a decreasing commitment to Arab revolution within “the Party of God” – and to its own revolutionary standing.
    Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah: Born in revolution
    He was born to lead. Most leaders are born within existing political organisations. Not Sayyed Hassan. His political birth preceded the founding of Hezbollah by four years.He was no stranger to revolution, Palestinian and Iranian. But it was within the bosom of the Iranian revolution that his leadership was conceived.
    At 21 years of age, Nasrallah was acclaimed as a rising star by the late Ayatollah Khomeini in the Jamaran Husseiniyyah, North of Tehran in 1981. The young Nasrallah was in the company comrades-in-arms from Amal, another Shia political organisation, and the gist of the discussion was about ways of supporting the Palestinian cause and humbling the supremacist powers of the West.  Impressed with the young Nasrallah, Khomeini sealed Sayyid Hassan’s leadership by consecrating and empowering him for the collection and distribution of religious taxes – known as hisbiyyah – including the khums (one-fifth of gain or profit) and the obligatory Islamic alms-giving tax, zakat. Khomeini was very selective as well as frugal in assignment of hisbiyyah roles, roles not assigned to the party’s first Secretary-General, Subhi al-Tufaily until 1987 and to his successor, Sayyid Abbas Musawi, the young Nasrallah’s mentor, in 1986.
    Moreover, the anointment was additionally sealed by Khomeini’s address to the young Nasrallah as a “Hojjat al-Islam”, a ranking denoting high scholarly accomplishment.
    Musawi, Nasrallah’s teacher in the Holy Najaf seminary, and later his mentor as Secretary-General of Hezbollah until his assassination in 1992, also saw leadership potential in the young Nasrallah. This explains the camaraderie that bound the two men. They joined and split from Amal, then fought it, moving on with others to mould a small band of zealous combatants into a formidable political and military organisation: Hezbollah. ‘Lebanon’s Che Guevara’
    “Praise to God … who chose a martyr from my family, bestowing upon us the gift of martyrdom, and including us in the community of the Holy Martyrs’ families.” Thus Sayyed Hassan celebrated the killing by Israel of his eldest son Hadi in combat in September 1997.
    In that same speech, Nasrallah expressed relief at Hadi’s martyrdom for putting him and his family on equal with all other parents who lost their sons in the fight against Israel. 
    This is a story worth recounting, for two reasons. Firstly, Sayyed Nasrallah strikes a chord with his Arab constituency for having always acted, thought, and spoken as one of them. He knew poverty; he saw action in the battlefield; and he consistently commits himself to the ideals he has preached. The other reason, and specifically in relation to the cast of leadership Arab revolution is sweeping away, Nasrallah stands out: the privileges accrued by Arab leaders, their families, sons and daughters – from Libya to Syria – are never tolerated by Hezbollah.Hadi Nasrallah was neither a Saif Gaddafi nor a Gamal Mubarak; and Nasrallah’s cousin, Hashim Safi Al-Din, assigned to the command of the Southern Lebanon region since November 2010, is no Rami Makhlouf, Syria’s corrupt billionaire.
    ‘Oracle of the oppressed’
    For me two leitmotifs explain Hezbollah: “deprivation” and “resistance”. They go hand in hand. They set people like Raghd Harb, and before him Musa Al-Sadr, who engineered Shia empowerment, on a fascinating course of political history: resistance within against “deprivation” or hirman, and against occupation.Hezbollah’s 1985 first political manifesto, The Open Letter, [“al-Risalah al-Maftuhah”], resonates with Che-Khomeini rhetoric: the language of “world imperialism” mixed with meaning about “the oppressed”, “down-trodden”, “justice”, “self-determination” and “liberty”.The sea of people I saw in August 2006 that came to greet and listen to Nasrallah after the 34-day war with Israel related to these messages. They still do. Many more do the same from Rabat to Sana’a. Nasrallah’s oratory in the “Divine Pledge” [al-Wa’d al-Sadiq] before hundreds of thousands, was electrifying – as ever, the oracle of the down-trodden, crushed by injustice and occupation. In Nasrallah’s mantra of change via resistance, or muqawamah, they find solace, a kind of redemption, and hope for reconstitution as equals to all free human beings.This is why in 2006, as in 2000 when Israel was forced to end its occupation of Lebanon’s south, Nasrallah rode high on a wave of pan-Arab and pan-Islamic popularity not known in the Arab world since the death of Nasser in September 1970. A leader from the minority sect of Islam replaced Sunni Nasser as the emblem of resistance and freedom. Inspired by Imam Khomeini, Nasrallah modernised Hezbollah and articulated a political project, which embodied empowerment, transforming Ashura and the entirety of the Karabala imaginary into a potent inventory for re-inventing not only the political, but also Shia identity in Lebanon. Hezbollah and Syria’s Revolution
    Heralded by millions of Muslim fans as “the mastermind of the resistance” – or “the Muslim Che Guevara” – while demonised by the US Congress and Israel as a “terrorist”, Nasrallah’s rhetoric vis-à-vis the Syrian regime makes him an oddity in two ways. Firstly, resistance is not divisible. Resistance is resistance, whether deployed against a colonial oppressor or against the indigenous oppressor, occupying, in this instance, the Arab state.The same goes for freedom; it is not divisible. Resistance in the quest for freedom applies to the occupied Lebanese and Palestinian as much as to the oppressed Syrian or Yemeni. Nasrallah was among the first to lend support to Arab revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia, and later to the down-trodden protesting against marginalisation in Bahrain. Withholding support for the uprising in Syria – because the regime supports muqawamah and opposes imperialism – is speaking with two tongues vis-à-vis Arab revolution. It is the Syrian masses who stand behind Hezbollah’s resistance. The credit does not belong to the Assad dynasty. Some credit is due to the state even if the Assads, for whatever reasons or interests, prefer resistance by proxy, in Gaza and Southern Lebanon – but not in the Golan Heights. The Assads will depart some day. The Syrians are here to stay.Syria: Maher or Bashar?Secondly, Nasrallah did not need state endorsement of the Syrian regime – even though his speech back in May expressed equal appreciation to the Syrian people and concern for stability. Back in 2006, a pearl of wisdom from Sayyed Hassan suggested the Jordanian and Egyptian leaders held their tongues instead of criticising Hezbollah at a critical time – when bombs were raining on the South and al-Dahiya. Silence may have been more eloquent on this occasion too, rather than speaking in favour of a regime that was at the time guilty of massive brutality against many Syrian towns and their communities.Protests from average citizens eloquently state that they desire a Syria of the people, from and to the people. Not a dynasty. This casts doubt as to whether the current regime is still favoured by a majority of the people – Nasrallah’s information suggests otherwise. Arab revolutions have been indicative referenda in countries where no such things take place – and when they do they are pre-ordained.Equally important is whether Bashar al-Assad is even in charge – and if he is a lame-duck president completely bamboozled by younger brother Maher and the likes of brother-in-law Asef Shawkat, then Bashar is no longer of use either to the muqawamah in Lebanon or to his own people.It may be that Bashar represents the gentler side of politics in Syria – as his rhetoric about planned reforms months ago seemed to intimate. But how are Syrians to ascertain that ,when no reforms have taken place? Moreover, today it is Maher’s tanks that are doing the talking and leading in Syria.The only difference between the martyrs whose pictures ornate the streets of al-Dahiya and Harat Hrayek, including Sayyed Hadi Nasrallah Boulevard and the hundreds killed in Syria is the latter are victims fallen at the hands of compatriot rulers.
    Is Bashar still in control? If he is he must stop Maher’s killing fields.Hirman – marginalisation and misery
    The displaced and dispossessed of Lebanon, including the Shia population, know the full meaning of hirman or deprivation and misery. Thus, they are the first to relate to the Arab revolution. It is the fodder of the protesting masses and the very trigger that led Mohamed Bou’azizi back in December 2010 to set himself alight.The language of deprivation is an inseparable bond between the deprived of the streets of al-Dahiya al-Janubiyyah and Sidi Bouzid, Dar’aa, Taiz or Imbaba. Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah has always had his ear close to the ground, bonding with the dispossessed. This is the real and secret moral arsenal Hezbollah is in possession of, not its rockets and military prowess.Perhaps his eloquence will rediscover that language in order to re-edit, on this occasion, a clumsy transcript. Particularly, to edit out his endorsement of those responsible for oppression in Syria, to counsel radical reform, a government through popular choice, as stated in The Open Letter, Hezbollah’s 1985 manifesto, and to reconnect with the ethos of peaceful resistance as a natural right for the downtrodden.”In politics, it is never late to do so.
    Dr Larbi Sadiki is a Senior Lecturer in Middle East Politics at the University of Exeter, and author of Arab Democratization: Elections without Democracy (Oxford University Press, 2009) and The Search for Arab Democracy: Discourses and Counter-Discourses (Columbia University Press, 2004).
    The views expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera’s editorial policy.

  7. josephphdman Avatar
    josephphdman

    talks and talks about reforms and promisses it  is all lies the regeme is buying more time so they could arrest the rest of the protesters they have arrested 20,000  people and they are looking for the rest 80,000 people they want to arrest , also more time they have more help wchildrenill arrive from hezbollah and iran the mullahs and more snipers  proffetionals ,so they could kill more sunni,s people civilians men,women and children 

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    Anonymous

    talks and talks about reforms and promisses it  is all lies the regeme is buying more time so they could arrest the rest of the protesters they have arrested 20,000  people and they are looking for the rest 80,000 people they want to arrest , also more time they have more help wchildrenill arrive from hezbollah and iran the mullahs and more snipers  proffetionals ,so they could kill more sunni,s people civilians men,women and children 

  9. honestly,

    i came on here for dialogue,ive said it before,and now i mean it,

    unless i get an apology for the way you guys speak to me im

    done,i wont post on here anymore…no point,i came on here to try

    to connect to the other side,and share what we have in common,but

    its a waiste of time…take care guys…there is no dialogue on here,

    all there is are insults to eachothers and no respect..i guess you

    guys dont see us from the south as family,you see us as enemies…

    the leaders curse eachother,we are to worried bout whats happening

    in syria instead of back home…and us bloggers hate eachother,wow

    the middle east future looks bright…i give up,for the first time in my

    life i quit….not that you guys care that im gone,but if u represent 14 azar

    it only makes me more proud that im not one of them..just rudeee…wow..

    to my boys take care,stay safe and inshallah at the end Lebanon surivives all this

    hate and we one day will connect the hands of the north to the south and be one…

    since day 1 when i came on here thats all i wanted,but realized it will be hard,since

    we cant connect north and south in blogging…what a shame…peace to everyone…

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      Micheal,
       
      I will apologies  to  you  even though I’m innocent ,In  order  for  you  to stay  on  this  blog. I  enjoy  your comments although I don’t always  agree with  you. So many  people use the tactic of throwing  insults when  they  fail  to  counter  an  argument. It  has been a common practice by  some commentators  to  push  people away  from  engaging in  dialogue  when they don’t agree with other  views.
      Don’t  be  discouraged, If  you  leave you will make  them  happy and the  blog looses.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        See Beiruti for insults … hahaha

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          He is  famous  for  that,lol

      2. Prophet,

        Thank you for your kind words,I agree with everything you said,bro im just one person,and its

        fine that we disagree or not or whoever I disagree with or disagrees with me,I have gotten emotional

        and said things that I later regret,but the problem here is no one takes action or responsibilty

        for their actions and words,we are here to discuss and understand,not make eachother enemies,

        I think I just need a break from all this for a bit,its to draining bro,none the less thank you for

        your kind words,you have always been a class act,never insulted anyone and debated with

        respect for yourself and most of all others…Take Care…

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Micheal,
           Thank you again. Taking a short break never hurts. I’ve done  that  few  times, and lately I have been  on  the sideline  for  most  of the time, except when  my  own  resistance fails  me. lol
          I always admire the passionate way you defend and present your views regardless of what the topic is. Nevertheless, it  is a good  idea  to  leave an escape hatch for your opponent ,so that  He can  swing  over without   lose of  face, lol
           
          A debate requires open minds, and willingness to listen, accept, and respect the other side. Otherwise it becomes a   useless argument.
          Good luck.

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Maybe you’ll return to see a reply. And who said we hated you? 
      I looked up the medieval history a bit … and found your favorite Scot. (1270-1305)
      “Freedom — of heart, soul and mind — was the gift of William Wallace to the Scottish people — a gift to which they have clung ever after.”
      Now, I am sure that what you call ‘north and south’ here have those aspirations … how could us ‘blogger’s’ hate that?
      (USA – War Cry .. “The South Shall Rise Again.” hehehe 🙂
      But WHO will reach the hearts of ALL the people in Lebanon?   (Hariri came close, you must admit – and hearts came together under Cedars to get rid of the Syrian occupiers)
      So I’ll add these lines from that bit of history of a man who won 1 battle and lost 1 battle – and yet was always remembered after.
      “Great men and women make history happen through their passion, whether for good or ill. A power-mad, charismatic leader can gain himself an empire, only to have it turn to dust upon his death – because the hearts of the people have been left untouched.
      William Wallace was a great man whose passion for national freedom kindled the spark of independence, sheltered within the breast of every Scot, into an unquenchable flame that burns to this day. His impact on the people of his time, and of all time, was immediate and permanent.”

      1. 5thDrawer,

        Well said and for the most part I agree with what you said,and appreciate you looking
        up the history of the scots led by william wallace,I was hoping you woudve seen more
        of a connection to the south of lebanon with william wallace in mind,but I will say this
        Rafic Harriri was a good man and a loss for all of lebanon allah yerhamo,its to bad saad
        didnt take his fathers approach in uniting lebanon,instead saad has single handly devided
        Lebanon,anyway brother have a good day….

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          I suppose when your father AND 210 OTHER HUMANS walking along a street minding their own business are murdered, and others maimed for life by a simpleton with a huge bomb, it could change your outlook on life … also would certainly cut short direction by the father. The sadness is not only that Rafic didn’t have the chance to finish, but others hated him for his success. And in that way perhaps Wallace comes to your mind.
           The people’s desires of heart, soul, and mind gathered for days under the Cedars. I am afraid that gathering was a too-brief light catching the haters off-guard – yet, in many countries around the Med now, we see the glimmers of hope for a freedom rarely known in the region.
            Interestingly, because you chose Scotland to find a hero, and because there’s a rather curious mental division of north and south in Lebanon, I will note there were, and perhaps still are, ‘Lowland’ and ‘Highland’ divisions in Scotland – yet they are all Scots in mind and soul today.
            Maybe one day 700 years in the future (who knows?) there will be a Michael here bringing the name Hariri up as a standard he praises. 🙂  

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          I suppose when your father AND 210 OTHER HUMANS walking along a street minding their own business are murdered, and others maimed for life by a simpleton with a huge bomb, it could change your outlook on life … also would certainly cut short direction by the father. The sadness is not only that Rafic didn’t have the chance to finish, but others hated him for his success. And in that way perhaps Wallace comes to your mind.
           The people’s desires of heart, soul, and mind gathered for days under the Cedars. I am afraid that gathering was a too-brief light catching the haters off-guard – yet, in many countries around the Med now, we see the glimmers of hope for a freedom rarely known in the region.
            Interestingly, because you chose Scotland to find a hero, and because there’s a rather curious mental division of north and south in Lebanon, I will note there were, and perhaps still are, ‘Lowland’ and ‘Highland’ divisions in Scotland – yet they are all Scots in mind and soul today.
            Maybe one day 700 years in the future (who knows?) there will be a Michael here bringing the name Hariri up as a standard he praises. 🙂  

        3. 34Ruth Avatar

          Don’t let a few negative commentators run you off Michael. This forum needs a fresh voice free of stats (kidding) once in awhile, some people don’t understand how words hurt, take a deep breath, take a break and come back to discuss the issues of the day. Take Care

    3. Beiruti Avatar

      Michael if it wasn’t for people like you i would be bored on this site, i like to prove my side, and i don’t mind to see your side either, but you have to answer the questions i ask you and not always avoid them thats what bothers me.

      In return ill be less harsh, im sorry for everytime i offended you but politics has the ability to fume people.
      What your seeing here is not division of North and South because in that case my whole family should be enemies, not even religion.
      Simply Pro-Hezbollah and Anti-Hezbollah people thats what most arguments are based on.

      1. Beiruti,

        Thank you for your apology it really meant alot to me,didnt really think you would bro,

        I talk to you and debate with you cause yes you come from the other side of the political

        spectrum and I wanna know what makes you believe in them and support them,so we debate

        and I totally agree that politics fumes hate and anger,but all you have to remember that at the end

        we are not enemies my friend,we are one of the same nation with different routes to the happiness

        and freedom we both desire,you know what bro, sometimes I wonder what eblashko thinks when he

        comes on this forum and sees how we speak to eachother and disrespect eachother,and fight with

        eachother,hes probably thinking these Lebanese cant even say a word to eachother without cursing

        eachother out,and they want to discuss peace with us,it makes there argument that wheter Israel

        occupied us or not,that at the end we would kill eachother anyway cause thats all us Lebanese are

        good at ,killing and fighting,I think this forum should be an opportunity to show outsiders that we can

        speak to disagree as we would with our families,but we would never let it get between our love for eachother,

        maybe im  dreamer and hope one day we can all be one and be proud to be one,but it has to start somewhere,

        and this is the perfect place,no gangs,groups,fights,weapons,etc,just a key board and a brain,anyway once

        again as I was telling prophet I just think im drained from poltics for now and need a break,so I will be back

        soon,and Thanks again for at least showing me respect and making me feel that maybe we are family…

        P.S. sorry bout my typing,sometime I chat off of my phone and I get lazy to fix errors…lol…

        1. Mosetsfire Avatar
          Mosetsfire

          I like you too…I don’t agree with your views, but my grandfather Allah Yirhamo told me that a man can choose his friends, but not his family…Nationality works the same way… I want a Lebanon that is modern, progressive and tolerant. I want my brothers in the south to renounce violence and put their faith back in the state.

          So, I also apologize if I have offended you, because I sometimes let my emotions get the best of me. 

        2. Mosetsfire Avatar
          Mosetsfire

          I like you too…I don’t agree with your views, but my grandfather Allah Yirhamo told me that a man can choose his friends, but not his family…Nationality works the same way… I want a Lebanon that is modern, progressive and tolerant. I want my brothers in the south to renounce violence and put their faith back in the state.

          So, I also apologize if I have offended you, because I sometimes let my emotions get the best of me. 

  10. honestly,

    i came on here for dialogue,ive said it before,and now i mean it,

    unless i get an apology for the way you guys speak to me im

    done,i wont post on here anymore…no point,i came on here to try

    to connect to the other side,and share what we have in common,but

    its a waiste of time…take care guys…there is no dialogue on here,

    all there is are insults to eachothers and no respect..i guess you

    guys dont see us from the south as family,you see us as enemies…

    the leaders curse eachother,we are to worried bout whats happening

    in syria instead of back home…and us bloggers hate eachother,wow

    the middle east future looks bright…i give up,for the first time in my

    life i quit….not that you guys care that im gone,but if u represent 14 azar

    it only makes me more proud that im not one of them..just rudeee…wow..

    to my boys take care,stay safe and inshallah at the end Lebanon surivives all this

    hate and we one day will connect the hands of the north to the south and be one…

    since day 1 when i came on here thats all i wanted,but realized it will be hard,since

    we cant connect north and south in blogging…what a shame…peace to everyone…

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      Micheal,
       
      I will apologies  to  you  even though I’m innocent ,In  order  for  you  to stay  on  this  blog. I  enjoy  your comments although I don’t always  agree with  you. So many  people use the tactic of throwing  insults when  they  fail  to  counter  an  argument. It  has been a common practice by  some commentators  to  push  people away  from  engaging in  dialogue  when they don’t agree with other  views.
      Don’t  be  discouraged, If  you  leave you will make  them  happy and the  blog looses.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        See Beiruti for insults … hahaha

      2. Prophet,

        Thank you for your kind words,I agree with everything you said,bro im just one person,and its

        fine that we disagree or not or whoever I disagree with or disagrees with me,I have gotten emotional

        and said things that I later regret,but the problem here is no one takes action or responsibilty

        for their actions and words,we are here to discuss and understand,not make eachother enemies,

        I think I just need a break from all this for a bit,its to draining bro,none the less thank you for

        your kind words,you have always been a class act,never insulted anyone and debated with

        respect for yourself and most of all others…Take Care…

    2. Beiruti Avatar

      Michael if it wasn’t for people like you i would be bored on this site, i like to prove my side, and i don’t mind to see your side either, but you have to answer the questions i ask you and not always avoid them thats what bothers me.

      In return ill be less harsh, im sorry for everytime i offended you but politics has the ability to fume people.
      What your seeing here is not division of North and South because in that case my whole family should be enemies, not even religion.
      Simply Pro-Hezbollah and Anti-Hezbollah people thats what most arguments are based on.

  11. honestly,

    i came on here for dialogue,ive said it before,and now i mean it,

    unless i get an apology for the way you guys speak to me im

    done,i wont post on here anymore…no point,i came on here to try

    to connect to the other side,and share what we have in common,but

    its a waiste of time…take care guys…there is no dialogue on here,

    all there is are insults to eachothers and no respect..i guess you

    guys dont see us from the south as family,you see us as enemies…

    the leaders curse eachother,we are to worried bout whats happening

    in syria instead of back home…and us bloggers hate eachother,wow

    the middle east future looks bright…i give up,for the first time in my

    life i quit….not that you guys care that im gone,but if u represent 14 azar

    it only makes me more proud that im not one of them..just rudeee…wow..

    to my boys take care,stay safe and inshallah at the end Lebanon surivives all this

    hate and we one day will connect the hands of the north to the south and be one…

    since day 1 when i came on here thats all i wanted,but realized it will be hard,since

    we cant connect north and south in blogging…what a shame…peace to everyone…

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      Micheal,
       
      I will apologies  to  you  even though I’m innocent ,In  order  for  you  to stay  on  this  blog. I  enjoy  your comments although I don’t always  agree with  you. So many  people use the tactic of throwing  insults when  they  fail  to  counter  an  argument. It  has been a common practice by  some commentators  to  push  people away  from  engaging in  dialogue  when they don’t agree with other  views.
      Don’t  be  discouraged, If  you  leave you will make  them  happy and the  blog looses.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        See Beruiti for insults … hahaha

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          He is  famous  for  that,lol

        2. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          He is  famous  for  that,lol

      2. Prophet,

        Thank you for your kind words,I agree with everything you said,bro im just one person,and its

        fine that we disagree or not or whoever I disagree with or disagrees with me,I have gotten emotional

        and said things that I later regret,but the problem here is no one takes action or responsibilty

        for their actions and words,we are here to discuss and understand,not make eachother enemies,

        I think I just need a break from all this for a bit,its to draining bro,none the less thank you for

        your kind words,you have always been a class act,never insulted anyone and debated with

        respect for yourself and most of all others…Take Care…

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Micheal,
           Thank you again. Taking a short break never hurts. I’ve done  that  few  times, and lately I have been  on  the sideline  for  most  of the time, except when  my  own  resistance fails  me. lol
          I always admire the passionate way you defend and present your views regardless of what the topic is. Nevertheless, it  is a good  idea  to  leave an escape hatch for your opponent ,so that  He can  swing  over without   lose of  face, lol
           
          A debate requires open minds, and willingness to listen, accept, and respect the other side. Otherwise it becomes a   useless argument.
          Good luck.

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Maybe you’ll return to see a reply. And who said we hated you? 
      I looked up the medieval history a bit … and found your favorite Scot. (1270-1305)
      “Freedom — of heart, soul and mind — was the gift of William Wallace to the Scottish people — a gift to which they have clung ever after.”
      Now, I am sure that what you call ‘north and south’ here have those aspirations … how could us ‘blogger’s’ hate that?
      🙂
      But WHO will reach the hearts of ALL the people in Lebanon?   (Hariri came close, you must admit – and hearts came together under Cedars to get rid of the Syrian occupiers)
      So I’ll add these lines from that bit of history of a man who won 1 battle and lost 1 battle – and yet was always remembered after.
      “Great men and women make history happen through their passion, whether for good or ill. A power-mad, charismatic leader can gain himself an empire, only to have it turn to dust upon his death – because the hearts of the people have been left untouched.
      William Wallace was a great man whose passion for national freedom kindled the spark of independence, sheltered within the breast of every Scot, into an unquenchable flame that burns to this day. His impact on the people of his time, and of all time, was immediate and permanent.”

      1. 5thDrawer,

        Well said and for the most part I agree with what you said,and appreciate you looking
        up the history of the scots led by william wallace,I was hoping you woudve seen more
        of a connection to the south of lebanon with william wallace in mind,but I will say this
        Rafic Harriri was a good man and a loss for all of lebanon allah yerhamo,its to bad saad
        didnt take his fathers approach in uniting lebanon,instead saad has single handly devided
        Lebanon,anyway brother have a good day….

      2. 5thDrawer,

        Well said and for the most part I agree with what you said,and appreciate you looking
        up the history of the scots led by william wallace,I was hoping you woudve seen more
        of a connection to the south of lebanon with william wallace in mind,but I will say this
        Rafic Harriri was a good man and a loss for all of lebanon allah yerhamo,its to bad saad
        didnt take his fathers approach in uniting lebanon,instead saad has single handly devided
        Lebanon,anyway brother have a good day….

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          I suppose when your father AND 210 OTHER HUMANS walking along a street minding their own business are murdered, and others maimed for life by a simpleton with a huge bomb, it could change your outlook on life … also would certainly cut short direction by the father. The sadness is not only that Rafic didn’t have the chance to finish, but others hated him for his success. And in that way perhaps Wallace comes to your mind.
           The people’s desires of heart, soul, and mind gathered for days under the Cedars. I am afraid that gathering was a too-brief light catching the haters off-guard – yet, in many countries around the Med now, we see the glimmers of hope for a freedom rarely known in the region.
            Interestingly, because you chose Scotland to find a hero, and because there’s a rather curious mental division of north and south in Lebanon, I will note there were, and perhaps still are, ‘Lowland’ and ‘Highland’ divisions in Scotland – yet they are all Scots in mind and soul today.
            Maybe one day 700 years in the future (who knows?) there will be a Michael here bringing the name Hariri up as a standard he praises. 🙂  

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Don’t let a few negative commentators run you off Michael. This forum needs a fresh voice free of stats (kidding) once in awhile, some people don’t understand how words hurt, take a deep breath, take a break and come back to discuss the issues of the day. Take Care

    3.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Michael if it wasn’t for people like you i would be bored on this site, i like to prove my side, and i don’t mind to see your side either, but you have to answer the questions i ask you and not always avoid them thats what bothers me.

      In return ill be less harsh, im sorry for everytime i offended you but politics has the ability to fume people.
      What your seeing here is not division of North and South because in that case my whole family should be enemies, not even religion.
      Simply Pro-Hezbollah and Anti-Hezbollah people thats what most arguments are based on.

      1. Beiruti,

        Thank you for your apology it really meant alot to me,didnt really think you would bro,

        I talk to you and debate with you cause yes you come from the other side of the political

        spectrum and I wanna know what makes you believe in them and support them,so we debate

        and I totally agree that politics fumes hate and anger,but all you have to remember that at the end

        we are not enemies my friend,we are one of the same nation with different routes to the happiness

        and freedom we both desire,you know what bro, sometimes I wonder what eblashko thinks when he

        comes on this forum and sees how we speak to eachother and disrespect eachother,and fight with

        eachother,hes probably thinking these Lebanese cant even say a word to eachother without cursing

        eachother out,and they want to discuss peace with us,it makes there argument that wheter Israel

        occupied us or not,that at the end we would kill eachother anyway cause thats all us Lebanese are

        good at ,killing and fighting,I think this forum should be an opportunity to show outsiders that we can

        speak to disagree as we would with our families,but we would never let it get between our love for eachother,

        maybe im  dreamer and hope one day we can all be one and be proud to be one,but it has to start somewhere,

        and this is the perfect place,no gangs,groups,fights,weapons,etc,just a key board and a brain,anyway once

        again as I was telling prophet I just think im drained from poltics for now and need a break,so I will be back

        soon,and Thanks again for at least showing me respect and making me feel that maybe we are family…

        P.S. sorry bout my typing,sometime I chat off of my phone and I get lazy to fix errors…lol…

        1. I like you too…I don’t agree with your views, but my grandfather Allah Yirhamo told me that a man can choose his friends, but not his family…Nationality works the same way… I want a Lebanon that is modern, progressive and tolerant. I want my brothers in the south to renounce violence and put their faith back in the state.

          So, I also apologize if I have offended you, because I sometimes let my emotions get the best of me. 

    4.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Michael if it wasn’t for people like you i would be bored on this site, i like to prove my side, and i don’t mind to see your side either, but you have to answer the questions i ask you and not always avoid them thats what bothers me.

      In return ill be less harsh, im sorry for everytime i offended you but politics has the ability to fume people.
      What your seeing here is not division of North and South because in that case my whole family should be enemies, not even religion.
      Simply Pro-Hezbollah and Anti-Hezbollah people thats what most arguments are based on.

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