Cabinet Formation and the Telecommunication Debacle

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By Ghassan Karam

“Be Careful what you wish for because it might come true” is a proverb that the FPM should have taken to heart. Ever since its inception general Michel Aoun has coveted power. Obviously his first goal was that of the presidency and arguably it was that desire which led him to conclude that Faustian bargain with Hezbollah.  The traditional seats of opposition were not good enough for him and his allies and so they resorted to all sorts of machinations and bizarre tactics that culminated in their getting a veto power in a cabinet after a parliamentary election that they did not win. Many, including yours truly, blame March 14 for blinking first.

But a veto power was not enough; Hezbollah and its allies had their eyes set on the cabinet. Well four months ago they brilliantly executed a legal parliamentary maneuver that forced the cabinet led by Sa’ad Hariri to resign. They also managed to convince Walid Jumblatt and his bloc to cast their votes with them and against March 14. As a result they did become the new majority especially after agreeing to support the candidacy of Mr. Mikati who was in turn supported by another two parliamentarians from Tripoli. That was when the wish to form the majority became true. Not much since then has gone right either for the FPM, HA or the new majority. It has been over nine weeks since the official designation of Mr. Mikati as the new PM but all what has happened is to run on the spot.

The FPM through its leader GMA, has frustrated the efforts to form a cabinet by coming up with all sorts of impossible demands.  It is not farfetched to conclude that these demands were designed on purpose to be impossible to meet since there was no interest by the senior partner ; Hezbollah; to form a one colour cabinet. I suspect that when the plan to force the March 14 cabinet to resign was hatched, HA accepted to support the nomination of Mr. Mikati, an independent politician, hoping that March 14 will agree to join the cabinet in a junior capacity. That would have enabled them to present the cabinet as a “national unity” government which will force the hand of the US and other countries to accept the new set up which in effect would be controlled by Hezbollah.

When Mr. Mikati proved to be more independent than Hezbollah had bargained for and when he failed to get March 14 to join the cabinet Hezbollah’s plan to rule by using others as a front collapsed. That is when Hezbollah and its allies, primarily the FPM, had to go to plan B, a plan to bargain for time and to find a way of withdrawing the designation of premiership from Mr. Mikati. Hezbollah has been the puppet master ever since 2005 and the role continues. They pull the strings and the FPM dances to their tune.

The latest despicable act in this charade became clear two days ago. As usual, the FPM agreed to instigate a crisis through one of their favourite two actors in the cabinet. This time it was the turn of Minister Nahas when two weeks ago it was Mr. Basil and prior to that it was Nahas. This time around the plan seemed to work very well initially until the details of what went on became available. Mr. Nahas, the current telecommunication minister in the takeover cabinet, put on a spectacular show. He demanded the right to dismantle telecommunication equipment and move them from one company ,OGERO, to another, MTC. When the ISF, under the leadership of Rifi prevented Mr., Nahas from entering the premises he contacted the interior minister Baroud complaining about the ISF behavior. Ziad Baroud ordered Rifi to allow Mr. Nahas and his entourage to complete their task. Mr. Rifi refused to obey an order from his superior  which led Mr. Baroud to resign. Now let us look behind the scenes to understand the motives for this charade.

An important principle in law is to ask the question what does a person know and when did she know it? Well in this case Mr. Nahas cannot claim that the telecommunication equipment was a surprise to him since he was one of the official delegation  that received this equipment and celebrated its installation in the presence of the Chinese ambassador whose government has donated the equipment in question over a year ago. So if neither the equipment nor its installation was a surprise why didn’t the minister complain/confiscate the equipment a year ago or maybe two months ago? The answer is very simple; he wanted to put on a PR show full of theatrics demonstrating the bankruptcy of the outgoing cabinet and the vigilance of the new majority.  The FPM has already demanded both the Interior ministry and the telecommunication and 8- 9 other ministries and this debacle where minister Baroud exploded prematurely showing a weakness to take a stand and demand an investigation of the behavior of both Mr.Rifi and Mr.Nahas.  This appeared to strengthen  the demand for a stronger interior minister in addition to making a case that Mr. Nahas was vigilante and must retain his cabinet assignment in the new government.  The plan to form a cabinet four months ago did not materialize, the plan to obfuscate and delay has worked for a while until it became evident that those who call for the immediate formation of a new cabinet are the ones who are erecting , behind the scenes, all the barriers to prevent the cabinet formation. And finally the latest plan to present FPM as the saviours and to force Mr. Mikati to form a cabinet where the PM is only a figure head has also backfired. This whole show was planned and had no merit.

The wish to rule was granted 9 weeks ago but as the proverb says: beware of what you wish for, it might just happen. FPMs quest for power is never ending and unprincipled. What is worse is that they do not realize that they are merely puppets manipulated by the Grand puppeteer Hezbollah.

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92 responses to “Cabinet Formation and the Telecommunication Debacle”

  1. Sebouh80 Avatar
    Sebouh80

    Yesterday ,Walid Jumblat blamed Hezbollah for the first time for the first four- month long cabinet deadlock, saying the party did not want the government to be formed soon.

    At the same time, they are using general Aoun as a political bargaining chip to force further concessions on the President and their March 14 opponents.

    What a pitty, this entire charade proves that our beleaguered state institutions are crumbling in front of our eyes.

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Sebouh,
                  I recall making that same statement but I just could not find it. We all realize that Jumblatt does not enjoy a lot of credibility with all his flip flops but yet when he makes such a statement then it must be taken seriously.

    2. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Sebouh,
                  I recall making that same statement but I just could not find it. We all realize that Jumblatt does not enjoy a lot of credibility with all his flip flops but yet when he makes such a statement then it must be taken seriously.

  2.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Yesterday ,Walid Jumblat blamed Hezbollah for the first time for the first four- month long cabinet deadlock, saying the party did not want the government to be formed soon.

    At the same time, they are using general Aoun as a political bargaining chip to force further concessions on the President and their March 14 opponents.

    What a pitty, this entire charade proves that our beleaguered state institutions are crumbling in front of our eyes.

    1. Sebouh,
                  I recall making that same statement but I just could not find it. We all realize that Jumblatt does not enjoy a lot of credibility with all his flip flops but yet when he makes such a statement then it must be taken seriously.

  3. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Ghassan,
    I was and still am of the opinion that M8 never intended to from a government after bringing down the Hariri Government. The only party who wanted to form a government and govern was Genral Aoun for the reasons you have eloquently stated.
    The STL was and continues to be the most important issue concerning Syria and HA. Hariri’s refusal to discredit the STL was the main reason He was ousted.
    Add to that the Syrian turmoil which is  scaring both Syrian regime and HA.I  doubt that  Syria would  want a stable  government  I Lebanon at a time it  is facing  the most challenging  protests, and the real threat of regime overthrow.
    Taif agreement has failed, Doha accord collapsed, and as a result, the presidency of Suleiman is in danger at this
    point This is  a  case of a total system collapse, and it  may not   be  just a miscalculation or  a misjudgment   by this 
    party  or that.
    As for the way the telecommunication saga ended, it is very telling that the Army was the party that was able to move in and take control of the building. Don’t be too surprised to see a military government running the show, or an early presidential election.
    All Lebanese  political parties  know, and  refuse to  accept , that Lebanon needs a total  political  reform, new way  of electing representatives, new ways  of governing, and a total  overhaul of government  institutions.The fact that such an reforms does not serve the interests of all sectarian parties, they will not allow such a change.
    We need a revolution that would call for change of regime in Lebanon. lol

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Prophet.t,
                    I sure believe that you are living up to your moniker. I do recall your stating over  4 months ago that HA has no interest in forming a cabinet. There is nothing that will please me as much as a revolutionary change in Lebanon. The ironic thing about Lebanon compared to the rest of the Arab world is the fact that there is nothing preventing us, the citizens , fromchanging all of these bozzos,

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Ghassan,The One and Only  Thing preventing us, the citizens ,from changing all of these bozzos is  our  blind  support  of  sectarian parties and institutions .Those  parties put  most  Lebanese in a  tight  corner ,where  everyone ” needs” a cover/protection by   his/her sect ,instead of believing and relying  on a national civil government to  protect  all of  us.Again, sectarianism to the bone.

        1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
          Ghassan Karam

          Prophet,
                     There is no doubt that sectarianism is the cancer of this society. Yet we keep hearing from all sorts of politicians that this policy and that measure need to be taken because they are good for the Christians 🙂 I always though that what is good for the country is good for all its citizens while the reverse is not true. Things might be good for one group but bad for the country as a whole. BTW, such an eventuality is known as “fallacy of composition”. A good example would be a fire in a theater. One thinks that the best thing is to rush to the exit but when everyone does then we have a catastrophe.

      2. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Ghassan,The One and Only  Thing preventing us, the citizens ,from changing all of these bozzos is  our  blind  support  of  sectarian parties and institutions .Those  parties put  most  Lebanese in a  tight  corner ,where  everyone ” needs” a cover/protection by   his/her sect ,instead of believing and relying  on a national civil government to  protect  all of  us.Again, sectarianism to the bone.

      3. ghzayel Avatar
        ghzayel

        ya ghassan,

        if only we were talking about the highly educated, responsible and well off group of citizens belonging to the sovereign state of lebanon, i would say you are right on target.

        but since we are talking about the lebanese population in general composed of poorly educated, economically deprived followers, weak and heavily depending on their local corrupt and powerful leaders or parties to insure their survival in dire straits conditions, it is almost impossible to demand from these people to revolt and change their bozos all alone and this is simply because of fear. 
         
        They fear hezballah’s illegal weapons and militia along with their regional sponsors, they fear the palestinians’ illegal weapons, they fear berri’s and ssnp’s thugs, they fear aoun’s craziness and wahab’s virulent attacks etc.. 
         
        the lebanese population unlike other arab populations did not cross the fear barrier yet, carefully instilled in them for so long by their leaders and their supporting regional powers. 
         
        as a matter of fact, try to tell any hezballah official or gen aoun and his mps for example what you really think about the way they are running the country let alone change them and they would  consider your point of view as blasphemy, they would kick you out immediately and probably harm you physically. 
         

        1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
          Ghassan Karam

          Ghzayel,
                       I happen to agree with your basic point. Those that are willing to take a stand for the country and are willing to cut themselves loose from the tribe are not yet large enough to affect the election outcome.. But we must keep trying.

        2. Ghassan Karam Avatar
          Ghassan Karam

          Ghzayel,
                       I happen to agree with your basic point. Those that are willing to take a stand for the country and are willing to cut themselves loose from the tribe are not yet large enough to affect the election outcome.. But we must keep trying.

  4. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Ghassan,

    I was and still am of the opinion that M8 never intended to
    from a government after bringing down the Hariri Government. The only party who
    wanted to form a government and govern was Genral Aoun for the reasons you have
    eloquently stated.

    The STL was and continues to be the most important issue
    concerning Syria
    and HA. Hariri’s refusal to discredit the STL was the main reason He was ousted.

    Add to that the Syrian turmoil which is  scaring 
    both Syrian regime and HA.I  doubt
    that  Syria would  want a 
    stable  government  I Lebanon at 
    a time it  is facing  the most 
    challenging  protests, and the
    real threat of regime overthrow.

    Taif agreement has failed, Doha
    accord collapsed, and as a result, the presidency of Suleiman is in danger at this
    point This is  a  case of a total system collapse, and it  may 
    not   be  just a miscalculation or  a misjudgment   by this 
    party  or that.

    As for the way the telecommunication saga ended, it is very
    telling that the Army was the party that was able to move in and take control
    of the building. Don’t be too surprised to see a military government running the
    show, or an early presidential election.

    All Lebanese  political 
    parties  know, and  refuse 
    to  accept , that Lebanon needs a
    total  political  reform, new way  of electing representatives, new ways  of governing, and a total  overhaul of government  institutions

    1. Prophet.t,
                    I sure believe that you are living up to your moniker. I do recall your stating over  4 months ago that HA has no interest in forming a cabinet. There is nothing that will please me as much as a revolutionary change in Lebanon. The ironic thing about Lebanon compared to the rest of the Arab world is the fact that there is nothing preventing us, the citizens , fromchanging all of these bozzos,

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Ghassan,The One and Only  Thing preventing us, the citizens ,from changing all of these bozzos is  our  blind  support  of  sectarian parties and institutions .Those  parties put  most  Lebanese in a  tight  corner ,where  everyone ” needs” a cover/protection by   his/her sect ,instead of believing and relying  on a national civil government to  protect  all of  us.Again, sectarianism to the bone.

        1. Prophet,
                     There is no doubt that sectarianism is the cancer of this society. Yet we keep hearing from all sorts of politicians that this policy and that measure need to be taken because they are good for the Christians 🙂 I always though that what is good for the country is good for all its citizens while the reverse is not true. Things might be good for one group but bad for the country as a whole. BTW, such an eventuality is known as “fallacy of composition”. A good example would be a fire in a theater. One thinks that the best thing is to rush to the exit but when everyone does then we have a catastrophe.

      2.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        ya ghassan,

        if only we were talking about the highly educated, responsible and well off group of citizens belonging to the sovereign state of lebanon, i would say you are right on target.

        but since we are talking about the lebanese population in general composed of poorly educated, economically deprived followers, weak and heavily depending on their local corrupt and powerful leaders or parties to insure their survival in dire straits conditions, it is almost impossible to demand from these people to revolt and change their bozos all alone and this is simply because of fear. 
         
        They fear hezballah’s illegal weapons and militia along with their regional sponsors, they fear the palestinians’ illegal weapons, they fear berri’s and ssnp’s thugs, they fear aoun’s craziness and wahab’s virulent attacks etc.. 
         
        the lebanese population unlike other arab populations did not cross the fear barrier yet, carefully instilled in them for so long by their leaders and their supporting regional powers. 
         
        as a matter of fact, try to tell any hezballah official or gen aoun and his mps for example what you really think about the way they are running the country let alone change them and they would  consider your point of view as blasphemy, they would kick you out immediately and probably harm you physically. 
         

        1. Ghzayel,
                       I happen to agree with your basic point. Those that are willing to take a stand for the country and are willing to cut themselves loose from the tribe are not yet large enough to affect the election outcome.. But we must keep trying.

  5. libnan1 Avatar
    libnan1

    This Rifi guy should be fired by the president directly. He acts like a king, she should to Saudi Arabia and be a king there.

    I think the reason for no government in Lebanon is to reaffirm the president powers that were lost in the Taif accord. It’s much better not to have a government than have a weak one. Lebanon’s government should be headed by the president as every republic in the world. The prime minster should not be more than an appointee of the president, period.  Non of this consultation stuff. Powers are split up to a point that no official can make decisive decisions.
    I still strongly believe that the STL will never reveal the true killers.

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      libnan1
               Many countries have a parliamentary system where the president is essentially a ceremonial post. That is the case in Germany,Italy, and Israel just to name a few. There are countries on the other hand that have a presidential system where the President is the executive  branch. That is the case in the US, France and Russia.  Lebanon has developed a hybrid system where the president is not  the executive but neither is he totally ceremonial since he attends the cabinet meetings. The Lebanese Presidency has been transformed from the strong type to the weak one and that is fine. The problem is that many Lebanese still behave as if the presidency is still powerful, which it is not constitutionally.

      1. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        According to what constitution !!!! Are referring to the Taif accord that was paid for by the Saudis and Hariris? Constitutions get amended in parliament not cancelled and a rewritten in a foreign country by corrupted MPs. I hope the presidency gets its glory back otherwise Lebanon is going down the tubes because the ones with the power now have proven to irrelevant.  

        1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
          Ghassan Karam

          liban1
                  The fatal flaw in your position is the fact that a constitution is what the majority in a country want it to be. A constitution does not have to get he personal approval of every citizen. You could disagree with the constitution of the land but you must act according to its dictates until such time that you can change it to reflect your POV.

        2. libnan1 Avatar
          libnan1

          @google-c6ab0d02b96a6a8b11502879ead85164:disqus , Constitutions are amended by 2/3 of parliaments and signed by the president in a free environment not with a gun pointed to MPs heads in a foreign country. The Taif accord is dead as we know it, the only people that want to keep it alive are the ones that can’t handle the power granted to them by it. New election law must be written where every person in Lebanon is represented in parliament. As much I hate to say this, every single sect elects its own MPs, this will insure fairness and pure representations. At that point amend the constitution.

          What you implied with your previous response that the US congress can go to Cancun Mexico, get bribed and amend the constitution!!!!    

        3. libnan1 Avatar
          libnan1

          @google-c6ab0d02b96a6a8b11502879ead85164:disqus , Constitutions are amended by 2/3 of parliaments and signed by the president in a free environment not with a gun pointed to MPs heads in a foreign country. The Taif accord is dead as we know it, the only people that want to keep it alive are the ones that can’t handle the power granted to them by it. New election law must be written where every person in Lebanon is represented in parliament. As much I hate to say this, every single sect elects its own MPs, this will insure fairness and pure representations. At that point amend the constitution.

          What you implied with your previous response that the US congress can go to Cancun Mexico, get bribed and amend the constitution!!!!    

    2. Fadi81 Avatar

      Ya he should be fired for implementing and inforcing some sort of rule of law…who does he think he is inforcing the law in a lawless state???

      1. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        The rule of law is for soldiers to obey civilian orders. He was ordered by the interior minster who is his boss and he refused. Therefore he should be fired. He acts like he’s a dictator, as you know Lebanon has one dictator and that is AOUN.  

    3. Elinjaim Avatar
      Elinjaim

      libnan1, Are you joking? The president of the Republic of Lebanon can not fire his office boy…

      1. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        That is the problem. That is why Taif is void. The Army should take over the internal security and get rid of Rifi’s gang. They are worthless anyway.

        1. 316909 Avatar

          They are worthless since they put Karam an Israeli spy and a good friend of Aoun in Jail and found about 60 other spies in the country? They are worthless thugs even though they wear the uniform with a Lebanese flag on it not an Iranian flag? They are thugs that went to officer training and get paid by the government not Iran?

          Thugs are normally people that run around with guns scaring women and children and work for some gang or for personal gain not a country. Rifi is a General and his men are Lebanese troops from all religions unlike others….

      2. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        That is the problem. That is why Taif is void. The Army should take over the internal security and get rid of Rifi’s gang. They are worthless anyway.

    4. sam_shaker Avatar
      sam_shaker

      Yes Rifi in our eyes is the king and I hope he will always be one over Aoun and Nassrallah. Eat your hearts out and I hope he will always be a thorn in your sides Amen.

      1. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        He will never be thorn. He’s just an employee that will be fired soon and put in his place. He’s acting like a lone cowboy. I think his days are numbered.

        1. george_shalhoub Avatar
          george_shalhoub

          Listen to you its only Hezbollah and Nahas acting if they own the ministry and communications equipments. Is that way Hezbollah is so pissed at Rifi because he’s trying to prevent them from stealing the equipment? did HA act like thugs when they roamed Beirut with their thugs and went to the airport to prevent Security from arresting Jamil al Syed. And their gunmen stood behind security officer to make none of them shoot at them? and how many times HA did this to many areas in the Sunnis and Christians areas trying to intimidate and scare people? what about HA sending their thugs to celebrate Ashura in Christians areas and setting up roadblocks and preventing people from getting and in and out. who the hell are you to protect them? you definitely are shiites and pretend to be Christian..You sold your sect just like your master Aoun. And he sold himself to the devil. you’re as stupid and crazy as he is..Get lost you faggot..

        2. george_shalhoub Avatar
          george_shalhoub

          Listen to you its only Hezbollah and Nahas acting if they own the ministry and communications equipments. Is that way Hezbollah is so pissed at Rifi because he’s trying to prevent them from stealing the equipment? did HA act like thugs when they roamed Beirut with their thugs and went to the airport to prevent Security from arresting Jamil al Syed. And their gunmen stood behind security officer to make none of them shoot at them? and how many times HA did this to many areas in the Sunnis and Christians areas trying to intimidate and scare people? what about HA sending their thugs to celebrate Ashura in Christians areas and setting up roadblocks and preventing people from getting and in and out. who the hell are you to protect them? you definitely are shiites and pretend to be Christian..You sold your sect just like your master Aoun. And he sold himself to the devil. you’re as stupid and crazy as he is..Get lost you faggot..

        3. libnan1 Avatar
          libnan1

          @george_shalhoub:disqus, Well George here you go again. I’m in a good mood today after a wonderful wkend at the beach. I’m going to reply to you as I usually do. All what I can tell you is that I am a proud to be a Christian that supports HA. It is a much better experience than supporting the gangs you support who killed innocent Christians indiscriminately.

          BTW, I got bit by a dog and need representation.     

        4. Beiruti Avatar
          Beiruti

          How much is your pay roll from Nasrallah? Does he pay you an extra 1000$ for every comment? Stop relating everything to the civil war. We are talking about now the present. In American debates you don’t see Obama discussing the American civil war. We are in the present, who killed 93 people in Beirut 3 years ago? Hezbollah. Who doesn’t want to form a cabinet? Hezbollah. If you want to speak about the civil also talk about Hezbollah. You are saying Lebanese Forces and the other so called gangs “Killed Christians, their own flesh”. Wasn’t Hezbollah killing Amal members in 1988 also “Own Flesh”. And what about Aoun? Hes a clean man? Not responsible for any deaths? Cause he let Lebanese Soldiers both Sunni and Christian die because he ran his ass off to France? How come everytime you answer you divert from the civil war facts, when you want to talk about the civil war, talk facts.

        5. 316909 Avatar

          Youre no christian, even if your id says so youre not. Christians and Muslims worship God and you worship the devil and terror so youre not a christian by far. I on the other hand could care less what you are and what you think because youre a total fu–cking moron.

        6. 316909 Avatar

          Youre no christian, even if your id says so youre not. Christians and Muslims worship God and you worship the devil and terror so youre not a christian by far. I on the other hand could care less what you are and what you think because youre a total fu–cking moron.

        7. libnan1 Avatar
          libnan1

          @Beiruti:disqus  My man … If you want to forget the past 3 years ago was in the past as well. A person should never dismiss his past because it is a good indication of the future. That is why we have resumes.

          I did not explicitly indite the LF, but if the shoe fits …. I do have a brother and many friends who were members of the LF and I have these same arguments with them. Sometimes much more heated than arguments with people on this form. I’m very close to showing them the light. 

        8. 316909 Avatar

          That dog realized what a piece of crap you are and was trying to kill you.

        9. 316909 Avatar

          That dog realized what a piece of crap you are and was trying to kill you.

  6. libnan1 Avatar
    libnan1

    This Rifi guy should be fired by the president directly. He acts like a king, she should to Saudi Arabia and be a king there.

    I think the reason for no government in Lebanon is to reaffirm the president powers that were lost in the Taif accord. It’s much better not to have a government than have a weak one. Lebanon’s government should be headed by the president as every republic in the world. The prime minster should not be more than an appointee of the president, period.  Non of this consultation stuff. Powers are split up to a point that no official can make decisive decisions.
    I still strongly believe that the STL will never reveal the true killers.

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      libnan1
               Many countries have a parliamentary system where the president is essentially a ceremonial post. That is the case in Germany,Italy, and Israel just to name a few. There are countries on the other hand that have a presidential system where the President is the executive  branch. That is the case in the US, France and Russia.  Lebanon has developed a hybrid system where the president is not  the executive but neither is he totally ceremonial since he attends the cabinet meetings. The Lebanese Presidency has been transformed from the strong type to the weak one and that is fine. The problem is that many Lebanese still behave as if the presidency is still powerful, which it is not constitutionally.

    2. Fadi81 Avatar

      Ya he should be fired for implementing and inforcing some sort of rule of law…who does he think he is inforcing the law in a lawless state???

    3. sam_shaker Avatar
      sam_shaker

      Yes Rifi in our eyes is the king and I hope he will always be one over Aoun and Nassrallah. Eat your hearts out and I hope he will always be a thorn in your sides Amen.

  7.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    This Rifi guy should be fired by the president directly. He acts like a king, she should to Saudi Arabia and be a king there.

    I think the reason for no government in Lebanon is to reaffirm the president powers that were lost in the Taif accord. It’s much better not to have a government than have a weak one. Lebanon’s government should be headed by the president as every republic in the world. The prime minster should not be more than an appointee of the president, period.  Non of this consultation stuff. Powers are split up to a point that no official can make decisive decisions.
    I still strongly believe that the STL will never reveal the true killers.

    1. libnan1
               Many countries have a parliamentary system where the president is essentially a ceremonial post. That is the case in Germany,Italy, and Israel just to name a few. There are countries on the other hand that have a presidential system where the President is the executive  branch. That is the case in the US, France and Russia.  Lebanon has developed a hybrid system where the president is not  the executive but neither is he totally ceremonial since he attends the cabinet meetings. The Lebanese Presidency has been transformed from the strong type to the weak one and that is fine. The problem is that many Lebanese still behave as if the presidency is still powerful, which it is not constitutionally.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        According to what constitution !!!! Are referring to the Taif accord that was paid for by the Saudis and Hariris? Constitutions get amended in parliament not cancelled and a rewritten in a foreign country by corrupted MPs. I hope the presidency gets its glory back otherwise Lebanon is going down the tubes because the ones with the power now have proven to irrelevant.  

        1. liban1
                  The fatal flaw in your position is the fact that a constitution is what the majority in a country want it to be. A constitution does not have to get he personal approval of every citizen. You could disagree with the constitution of the land but you must act according to its dictates until such time that you can change it to reflect your POV.

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          Anonymous

          @google-c6ab0d02b96a6a8b11502879ead85164:disqus , Constitutions are amended by 2/3 of parliaments and signed by the president in a free environment not with a gun pointed to MPs heads in a foreign country. The Taif accord is dead as we know it, the only people that want to keep it alive are the ones that can’t handle the power granted to them by it. New election law must be written where every person in Lebanon is represented in parliament. As much I hate to say this, every single sect elects its own MPs, this will insure fairness and pure representations. At that point amend the constitution.

          What you implied with your previous response that the US congress can go to Cancun Mexico, get bribed and amend the constitution!!!!    

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      Anonymous

      Ya he should be fired for implementing and inforcing some sort of rule of law…who does he think he is inforcing the law in a lawless state???

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        Anonymous

        The rule of law is for soldiers to obey civilian orders. He was ordered by the interior minster who is his boss and he refused. Therefore he should be fired. He acts like he’s a dictator, as you know Lebanon has one dictator and that is AOUN.  

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      Anonymous

      Ya he should be fired for implementing and inforcing some sort of rule of law…who does he think he is inforcing the law in a lawless state???

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      Anonymous

      libnan1, Are you joking? The president of the Republic of Lebanon can not fire his office boy…

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        Anonymous

        That is the problem. That is why Taif is void. The Army should take over the internal security and get rid of Rifi’s gang. They are worthless anyway.

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          Anonymous

          They are worthless since they put Karam an Israeli spy and a good friend of Aoun in Jail and found about 60 other spies in the country? They are worthless thugs even though they wear the uniform with a Lebanese flag on it not an Iranian flag? They are thugs that went to officer training and get paid by the government not Iran?

          Thugs are normally people that run around with guns scaring women and children and work for some gang or for personal gain not a country. Rifi is a General and his men are Lebanese troops from all religions unlike the thugs your mother gets gangbanged by daily.

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      Anonymous

      Yes Rifi in our eyes is the king and I hope he will always be one over Aoun and Nassrallah. Eat your hearts out and I hope he will always be a thorn in your sides Amen.

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        Anonymous

        He will never be thorn. He’s just an employee that will be fired soon and put in his place. He’s acting like a lone cowboy. I think his days are numbered.

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          Anonymous

          Listen to you its only Hezbollah and Nahas acting if they own the ministry and communications equipments. Is that way Hezbollah is so pissed at Rifi because he’s trying to prevent them from stealing the equipment? did HA act like thugs when they roamed Beirut with their thugs and went to the airport to prevent Security from arresting Jamil al Syed. And their gunmen stood behind security officer to make none of them shoot at them? and how many times HA did this to many areas in the Sunnis and Christians areas trying to intimidate and scare people? what about HA sending their thugs to celebrate Ashura in Christians areas and setting up roadblocks and preventing people from getting and in and out. who the hell are you to protect them? you definitely are shiites and pretend to be Christian..You sold your sect just like your master Aoun. And he sold himself to the devil. you’re as stupid and crazy as he is..Get lost you faggot..

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          Anonymous

          @george_shalhoub:disqus, Well George here you go again. I’m in a good mood today after a wonderful wkend at the beach. I’m going to reply to you as I usually do. All what I can tell you is that I am a proud to be a Christian that supports HA. It is a much better experience than supporting the gangs you support who killed innocent Christians indiscriminately.

          BTW, I got bit by a dog and need representation.     

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          Anonymous

          How much is your pay roll from Nasrallah? Does he pay you an extra 1000$ for every comment? Stop relating everything to the civil war. We are talking about now the present. In American debates you don’t see Obama discussing the American civil war. We are in the present, who killed 93 people in Beirut 3 years ago? Hezbollah. Who doesn’t want to form a cabinet? Hezbollah. If you want to speak about the civil also talk about Hezbollah. You are saying Lebanese Forces and the other so called gangs “Killed Christians, their own flesh”. Wasn’t Hezbollah killing Amal members in 1988 also “Own Flesh”. And what about Aoun? Hes a clean man? Not responsible for any deaths? Cause he let Lebanese Soldiers both Sunni and Christian die because he ran his ass off to France? How come everytime you answer you divert from the civil war facts, when you want to talk about the civil war, talk facts.

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          Anonymous

          Your no christian, even if your id says so youre not. Christians and Muslims worship God and you worship the devil and terror so youre not a christian by far. I on the other hand could care less what you are and what you think because youre a total fu–cking moron.

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          Anonymous

          @Beiruti:disqus  My man … If you want to forget the past 3 years ago was in the past as well. A person should never dismiss his past because it is a good indication of the future. That is why we have resumes.

          I did not explicitly indite the LF, but if the shoe fits …. I do have a brother and many friends who were members of the LF and I have these same arguments with them. Sometimes much more heated than arguments with people on this form. I’m very close to showing them the light. 

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          Anonymous

          @Beiruti:disqus  My man … If you want to forget the past 3 years ago was in the past as well. A person should never dismiss his past because it is a good indication of the future. That is why we have resumes.

          I did not explicitly indite the LF, but if the shoe fits …. I do have a brother and many friends who were members of the LF and I have these same arguments with them. Sometimes much more heated than arguments with people on this form. I’m very close to showing them the light. 

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          Anonymous

          That dog realized what a piece of crap you are and was trying to kill you.

  8.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    This Rifi guy should be fired by the president directly. He acts like a king, she should to Saudi Arabia and be a king there.

    I think the reason for no government in Lebanon is to reaffirm the president powers that were lost in the Taif accord. It’s much better not to have a government than have a weak one. Lebanon’s government should be headed by the president as every republic in the world. The prime minster should not be more than an appointee of the president, period.  Non of this consultation stuff. Powers are split up to a point that no official can make decisive decisions.
    I still strongly believe that the STL will never reveal the true killers.

  9. kareemthehippy Avatar
    kareemthehippy

    Ghassan, this is another excellent article.  I wholeheartedly agree with what you say.  This really shows how both political positions represent different “goods” but both have their big share of bad too.  A friend told me it’s like picking between a shot in the head or two stabs in the heart.

    March 14 represents those who want stability and good relations with Europe which is great
    March 8 represents ending the sectarian system and ending the rich-poor gap, which is great too

    The problem is these are just the covers of their otherwise disgusting and corrupt policies.

    There must be a way they can all just leave..every last one of them, although I do have alot of respect for Ziad Baroud..but otherwise, I don’t know how Lebanon can go on with any of those political parties, be it March 8 or March 14.  One day..

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      kareem,
       If enough Lebanese feel disgusted then they can translate that into a revolution of sorts during the next elections. I am personally skeptical that there are enough “disgusted” to make a difference. I sure hope that I am wrong.

      1. kareemthehippy Avatar
        kareemthehippy

        I hope so too, Ghassan. I feel the same.  It’s as if those who care give up after a 1-3 year trial period and leave to the Gulf or whichever region outside of Lebanon…then they develop this political apathy, and never return to Lebanon to be involved in that respect..then again, they can’t vote as expatriates from the countries they’re living in currently. 

        So, the only people in Lebanon involved in politics are the people who are generally politically-blind, despite political preferences being subjective, you know what I mean. 

        Shame I’m young enough to be everyone’s son or grandson, otherwise, I’d organize a YaLibnan reform B-) 

        1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
          Ghassan Karam

          Kareem
                     This is your world and your future. We have messed things up for you but this does not mean that you cannot change things around. You might be too young to start a political party right now but you should work towards that goal so that you will be ready to launch one whenevr the time is appropriate. Lebanon is badly in need of a real non sectarian non feudalistic political party dedicated to the ideas of democracy, liberty and human rights.

        2. kareemthehippy Avatar
          kareemthehippy

          @google-c6ab0d02b96a6a8b11502879ead85164:disqus  – hehe suppose so! We’ll have to see.  If I get my international law degree, it’ll be a step forward. 
          It’s tough though. It’s like having to get rid of both the Democrats and Republicans for the Green party! 

    2. Hisham Abukalam Avatar
      Hisham Abukalam

      I could not agree more. There you have good highly qualified Lebanese men and women denied participating in genuine progress for the country and prevented by all of these unworthy people. Surely Lebanon deserves something better. On the other hand in the last elections,  a lot more people voted and the turnout I believe was higher than normal. What did every one vote for? who did they vote for and why did they choose such people. If a waiter in a restaurant serves you with bad food you don’t eat it do you? you go without and that is what we should have all done rejected these people so that none of them can say that they have won. They have won nothing and every one who supports them is equally at fault.

  10. kareemthehippy Avatar
    kareemthehippy

    Ghassan, this is another excellent article.  I wholeheartedly agree with what you say.  This really shows how both political positions represent different “goods” but both have their big share of bad too.  A friend told me it’s like picking between a shot in the head or two stabs in the heart.

    March 14 represents those who want stability and good relations with Europe which is great
    March 8 represents ending the sectarian system and ending the rich-poor gap, which is great too

    The problem is these are just the covers of their otherwise disgusting and corrupt policies.

    There must be a way they can all just leave..every last one of them, although I do have alot of respect for Ziad Baroud..but otherwise, I don’t know how Lebanon can go on with any of those political parties, be it March 8 or March 14.  One day..

    1. Hisham Abukalam Avatar
      Hisham Abukalam

      I could not agree more. There you have good highly qualified Lebanese men and women denied participating in genuine progress for the country and prevented by all of these unworthy people. Surely Lebanon deserves something better. On the other hand in the last elections,  a lot more people voted and the turnout I believe was higher than normal. What did every one vote for? who did they vote for and why did they choose such people. If a waiter in a restaurant serves you with bad food you don’t eat it do you? you go without and that is what we should have all done rejected these people so that none of them can say that they have won. They have won nothing and every one who supports them is equally at fault.

  11.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Ghassan, this is another excellent article.  I wholeheartedly agree with what you say.  This really shows how both political positions represent different “goods” but both have their big share of bad too.  A friend told me it’s like picking between a shot in the head or two stabs in the heart.

    March 14 represents those who want stability and good relations with Europe which is great
    March 8 represents ending the sectarian system and ending the rich-poor gap, which is great too

    The problem is these are just the covers of their otherwise disgusting and corrupt policies.

    There must be a way they can all just leave..every last one of them, although I do have alot of respect for Ziad Baroud..but otherwise, I don’t know how Lebanon can go on with any of those political parties, be it March 8 or March 14.  One day..

    1. kareem,
       If enough Lebanese feel disgusted then they can translate that into a revolution of sorts during the next elections. I am personally skeptical that there are enough “disgusted” to make a difference. I sure hope that I am wrong.

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        Anonymous

        I hope so too, Ghassan. I feel the same.  It’s as if those who care give up after a 1-3 year trial period and leave to the Gulf or whichever region outside of Lebanon…then they develop this political apathy, and never return to Lebanon to be involved in that respect..then again, they can’t vote as expatriates from the countries they’re living in currently. 

        So, the only people in Lebanon involved in politics are the people who are generally politically-blind, despite political preferences being subjective, you know what I mean. 

        Shame I’m young enough to be everyone’s son or grandson, otherwise, I’d organize a YaLibnan reform B-) 

        1. Kareem
                     This is your world and your future. We have messed things up for you but this does not mean that you cannot change things around. You might be too young to start a political party right now but you should work towards that goal so that you will be ready to launch one whenevr the time is appropriate. Lebanon is badly in need of a real non sectarian non feudalistic political party dedicated to the ideas of democracy, liberty and human rights.

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          Anonymous

          @google-c6ab0d02b96a6a8b11502879ead85164:disqus  – hehe suppose so! We’ll have to see.  If I get my international law degree, it’ll be a step forward. 
          It’s tough though. It’s like having to get rid of both the Democrats and Republicans for the Green party! 

        3.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          @google-c6ab0d02b96a6a8b11502879ead85164:disqus  – hehe suppose so! We’ll have to see.  If I get my international law degree, it’ll be a step forward. 
          It’s tough though. It’s like having to get rid of both the Democrats and Republicans for the Green party! 

    2. Hisham Abukalam Avatar
      Hisham Abukalam

      I could not agree more. There you have good highly qualified Lebanese men and women denied participating in genuine progress for the country and prevented by all of these unworthy people. Surely Lebanon deserves something better. On the other hand in the last elections,  a lot more people voted and the turnout I believe was higher than normal. What did every one vote for? who did they vote for and why did they choose such people. If a waiter in a restaurant serves you with bad food you don’t eat it do you? you go without and that is what we should have all done rejected these people so that none of them can say that they have won. They have won nothing and every one who supports them is equally at fault.

    3. Hisham Abukalam Avatar
      Hisham Abukalam

      I could not agree more. There you have good highly qualified Lebanese men and women denied participating in genuine progress for the country and prevented by all of these unworthy people. Surely Lebanon deserves something better. On the other hand in the last elections,  a lot more people voted and the turnout I believe was higher than normal. What did every one vote for? who did they vote for and why did they choose such people. If a waiter in a restaurant serves you with bad food you don’t eat it do you? you go without and that is what we should have all done rejected these people so that none of them can say that they have won. They have won nothing and every one who supports them is equally at fault.

  12. 316909 Avatar

    Thank god Lebanon still has decent Soldiers like Gen Rifi.

  13. 316909 Avatar

    Thank god Lebanon still has decent Soldiers like Gen Rifi.

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    Anonymous

    Thank god Lebanon still has decent Soldiers like Gen Rifi.

  15. kareemthehippy Avatar
    kareemthehippy

    I agree with Ziad Baroud about a trial.  It’s only fair. Rifi and Nahas should both go to court and settle this.
    Rifi for not following orders of the interior ministry
    Nahas for trying to dismantle a government building for him claiming its illegitimacy

    Ah well.

    1. 316909 Avatar

      Ogero has the right to ask the ISF for protection under a law passed in 2007 and thats why they are stationed in the 7th and 8th floor of the building even before all this started. Baroud is over ruled and can not order them to leave if Ogero asks for protection and they did. I wonder since when a minister can take equipment and give it to another private company? He was allowed to inspect the equipment and to do anything he wanted but not take it. Why did he want to take the equipment and WHY WAS OTV WAITING FOR HIM TO GET TO THE MINISTRY? I wonder what he is trying to hide? Bombs like the one that hit UNIFIL are activated by phones and a lot of chit chat is recorded and stored in this equipment so why would he want to get rid of it? If he has anything to prove the equipment is located in Adliyh and he can prove what he wants without moving it. Moving it means the info in this equipment needs to be hidden….. I think Baroud knew this and was not willing to take the heat after all the heat he took from Aoun and in the end this will disappear and we will never hear of it again in a few weeks like many other things…

  16. kareemthehippy Avatar
    kareemthehippy

    I agree with Ziad Baroud about a trial.  It’s only fair. Rifi and Nahas should both go to court and settle this.
    Rifi for not following orders of the interior ministry
    Nahas for trying to dismantle a government building for him claiming its illegitimacy

    Ah well.

    1. 316909 Avatar

      Ogero has the right to ask the ISF for protection under a law passed in 2007 and thats why they are stationed in the 7th and 8th floor of the building even before all this started. Baroud is over ruled and can not order them to leave if Ogero asks for protection and they did. I wonder since when a minister can take equipment and give it to another private company? He was allowed to inspect the equipment and to do anything he wanted but not take it. Why did he want to take the equipment and WHY WAS OTV WAITING FOR HIM TO GET TO THE MINISTRY? I wonder what he is trying to hide? Bombs like the one that hit UNIFIL are activated by phones and a lot of chit chat is recorded and stored in this equipment so why would he want to get rid of it? If he has anything to prove the equipment is located in Adliyh and he can prove what he wants without moving it. Moving it means the info in this equipment needs to be hidden….. I think Baroud knew this and was not willing to take the heat after all the heat he took from Aoun and in the end this will disappear and we will never hear of it again in a few weeks like many other things…

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    Anonymous

    I agree with Ziad Baroud about a trial.  It’s only fair. Rifi and Nahas should both go to court and settle this.
    Rifi for not following orders of the interior ministry
    Nahas for trying to dismantle a government building for him claiming its illegitimacy

    Ah well.

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Ogero has the right to ask the ISF for protection under a law passed in 2007 and thats why they are stationed in the 7th and 8th floor of the building even before all this started. Baroud is over ruled and can not order them to leave if Ogero asks for protection and they did. I wonder since when a minister can take equipment and give it to another private company? He was allowed to inspect the equipment and to do anything he wanted but not take it. Why did he want to take the equipment and WHY WAS OTV WAITING FOR HIM TO GET TO THE MINISTRY? I wonder what he is trying to hide? Bombs like the one that hit UNIFIL are activated by phones and a lot of chit chat is recorded and stored in this equipment so why would he want to get rid of it? If he has anything to prove the equipment is located in Adliyh and he can prove what he wants without moving it. Moving it means the info in this equipment needs to be hidden…..

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