Nasrallah deceived Ahmadinejad about the gun, report

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Hezbollah said its leader has given Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad an Israeli rifle captured from an Israeli soldier during the 2006 war with Israel as a gift to cap off his two-day visit to Lebanon.

But Israeli daily Yediot Aharonot reported Sunday that Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah deceived the Iranian President.

The daily said the gun was a type of weapon that has not been used by the Israeli military since the early 1970s, meaning it could not have been taken from soldiers during the 2006 war.

The paper quoted a military spokesperson as saying the weapon was “most likely” an FNFAL 7.62 rifle that went out of use in 1974.

The 2006 war resulted in the killing of over 1200 Lebanese mostly civilians and 160 Israelis mainly military. Over 1 million mostly Shiites became homeless and over 120, 000 housing units were destroyed . But the end of the 34 day war Hezbollah chief declared a “divine victory “

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54 responses to “Nasrallah deceived Ahmadinejad about the gun, report”

  1. In their religion lying is not a big deal so Najjad will forgive him

    1. To both of you geniuses, JadM and guss39, don’t confuse politics with religion when it comes to the Druze. You both obviously have no understanding of the difference. Our religion does not “forgive” nor does it allow lying. Got that guss39? If not, I’ll draw you a picture to simplify it for you.

      Our politicians on the other hand, are no different than your politicians…they are politicians and worst of all, they are Lebanese politicians! The worst type of scum! None of them care about the Lebanese people (of their sect nor any other sect).

      1. Amer not sure what are you referring to by saying “we don’t forgive , we don’t lie ” , to what article you are referring to? ,as the above one doesn’t mention the Druze , If you are referring to the article between me and Hannibal about the 1860 massacres between Druze and Christians ,that is a fact what we listed and based on the Book of The Marvels and other books written by British who witnessed the massacres, actually one of the writers was Colonle Churchill who helped the Druze organize th attack on Zahle in 1860 ( as the massacres were the result of power stuggle between the Druze supported by the British and the Ottoman empire and the Christians supported by France and the Czar of Russia ) , if you have different account please do listed ,but anyhow in fact i wasn’t writing to raise hate or recall history, my point was about Kalem el Nes program bringing some people from different confessions and asking them their opinion about the prospect of war , the program aired last Thursday was attacked by the Iranian party and al Jamaa el Islamiya who said is raising hate between Shiite and Sunni ,my point was why the program is dangerous,the opposite is better to raise the alert and talk the truth, the program doesn’t create hate between Sunni and Shiite if it is not there , and I was pointing about the Lebanese government educational system to stop lying about history as they taught us before civil war that 1 christian boy playing with Druze boy Ghille caused the Massacres of 1860, the same will be aid the Bus of An el Roummaneh caused the civil war instead of saying it was a PLO conspiracy with their allies to take Lebanon , it is about time to say the truth as it is , as what happened in US civil war.As answering you in regard to forgiveness it is not a secret everyone know that Druze don’t have forgiveness and revenge is a must , but revenginf from Syrian for Joumblatt was the right way not to kill the innocent and the elderly and weak , that was wrong even Walid Beik admitted ( see u tube) said it was wrong and people should have been brought to justice, and as Christians I say it wasn’t right from the Lebanese forces to revenge from Innocent Druze in 1983 , as it was a coward act to kill innocent in Aitat and Ainab , and if you mean that the Patriarch Sfeir reconciliation (mousalaha) with Walid Beik is not forgiveness so forget it all then and let ‘s separate , by the end if a man and woman can’t live together what’s the best to do for them and for the kids, is to divorce to avoid fight and damage , same apply to us , we can stop lying today on each other and separate in civilized way like Switzerland and leave common business,nothing wrong with a canton style country like Switzerland and divide the resources

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          I totally agree with guss39,
          Either we come together and build a country free from foreign influence and have a definition for what we want Lebanon to be or Switzerland style split is warranted. Now to define Lebanon is going to be a little hard ๐Ÿ˜›
          Are we Phoenicians? Greek? Roman? Byzantine? Arabs? Persians? Syrians (yuck :P)?
          We can really stop all the bs and declare, once and for all, Lebanon is the future (no relation to any future movements :P) and it is purely Lebanese and stop dwelling on the past.

      2. Amer not sure what are you referring to by saying “we don’t forgive , we don’t lie ” , to what article you are referring to? ,as the above one doesn’t mention the Druze , If you are referring to the article between me and Hannibal about the 1860 massacres between Druze and Christians ,that is a fact what we listed and based on the Book of The Marvels and other books written by British who witnessed the massacres, actually one of the writers was Colonle Churchill who helped the Druze organize th attack on Zahle in 1860 ( as the massacres were the result of power stuggle between the Druze supported by the British and the Ottoman empire and the Christians supported by France and the Czar of Russia ) , if you have different account please do listed ,but anyhow in fact i wasn’t writing to raise hate or recall history, my point was about Kalem el Nes program bringing some people from different confessions and asking them their opinion about the prospect of war , the program aired last Thursday was attacked by the Iranian party and al Jamaa el Islamiya who said is raising hate between Shiite and Sunni ,my point was why the program is dangerous,the opposite is better to raise the alert and talk the truth, the program doesn’t create hate between Sunni and Shiite if it is not there , and I was pointing about the Lebanese government educational system to stop lying about history as they taught us before civil war that 1 christian boy playing with Druze boy Ghille caused the Massacres of 1860, the same will be aid the Bus of An el Roummaneh caused the civil war instead of saying it was a PLO conspiracy with their allies to take Lebanon , it is about time to say the truth as it is , as what happened in US civil war.As answering you in regard to forgiveness it is not a secret everyone know that Druze don’t have forgiveness and revenge is a must , but revenginf from Syrian for Joumblatt was the right way not to kill the innocent and the elderly and weak , that was wrong even Walid Beik admitted ( see u tube) said it was wrong and people should have been brought to justice, and as Christians I say it wasn’t right from the Lebanese forces to revenge from Innocent Druze in 1983 , as it was a coward act to kill innocent in Aitat and Ainab , and if you mean that the Patriarch Sfeir reconciliation (mousalaha) with Walid Beik is not forgiveness so forget it all then and let ‘s separate , by the end if a man and woman can’t live together what’s the best to do for them and for the kids, is to divorce to avoid fight and damage , same apply to us , we can stop lying today on each other and separate in civilized way like Switzerland and leave common business,nothing wrong with a canton style country like Switzerland and divide the resources

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          I totally agree with guss39,
          Either we come together and build a country free from foreign influence and have a definition for what we want Lebanon to be or Switzerland style split is warranted. Now to define Lebanon is going to be a little hard ๐Ÿ˜›
          Are we Phoenicians? Greek? Roman? Byzantine? Arabs? Persians? Syrians (yuck :P)?
          We can really stop all the bs and declare, once and for all, Lebanon is the future (no relation to any future movements :P) and it is purely Lebanese and stop dwelling on the past.

      3. Leborigine Avatar
        Leborigine

        So Amer, what are you trying to say, that everytime I visit my village when I go to Lebanon that I have to keep watching my back for what someone else has done??

      4. Leborigine Avatar
        Leborigine

        So Amer, what are you trying to say, that everytime I visit my village when I go to Lebanon that I have to keep watching my back for what someone else has done??

  2. In their religion lying is not a big deal so Najjad will forgive him

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    In their religion lying is not a big deal so Najjad will forgive him

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      To both of you geniuses, JadM and guss39, don’t confuse politics with religion when it comes to the Druze. You both obviously have no understanding of the difference. Our religion does not “forgive” nor does it allow lying. Got that guss39? If not, I’ll draw you a picture to simplify it for you.

      Our politicians on the other hand, are no different than your politicians…they are politicians and worst of all, they are Lebanese politicians! The worst type of scum! None of them care about the Lebanese people (of their sect nor any other sect).

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        Amer not sure what are you referring to by saying “we don’t forgive , we don’t lie ” , to what article you are referring to? ,as the above one doesn’t mention the Druze , If you are referring to the article between me and Hannibal about the 1860 massacres between Druze and Christians ,that is a fact what we listed and based on the Book of The Marvels and other books written by British who witnessed the massacres, actually one of the writers was Colonle Churchill who helped the Druze organize th attack on Zahle in 1860 ( as the massacres were the result of power stuggle between the Druze supported by the British and the Ottoman empire and the Christians supported by France and the Czar of Russia ) , if you have different account please do listed ,but anyhow in fact i wasn’t writing to raise hate or recall history, my point was about Kalem el Nes program bringing some people from different confessions and asking them their opinion about the prospect of war , the program aired last Thursday was attacked by the Iranian party and al Jamaa el Islamiya who said is raising hate between Shiite and Sunni ,my point was why the program is dangerous,the opposite is better to raise the alert and talk the truth, the program doesn’t create hate between Sunni and Shiite if it is not there , and I was pointing about the Lebanese government educational system to stop lying about history as they taught us before civil war that 1 christian boy playing with Druze boy Ghille caused the Massacres of 1860, the same will be aid the Bus of An el Roummaneh caused the civil war instead of saying it was a PLO conspiracy with their allies to take Lebanon , it is about time to say the truth as it is , as what happened in US civil war.As answering you in regard to forgiveness it is not a secret everyone know that Druze don’t have forgiveness and revenge is a must , but revenginf from Syrian for Joumblatt was the right way not to kill the innocent and the elderly and weak , that was wrong even Walid Beik admitted ( see u tube) said it was wrong and people should have been brought to justice, and as Christians I say it wasn’t right from the Lebanese forces to revenge from Innocent Druze in 1983 , as it was a coward act to kill innocent in Aitat and Ainab , and if you mean that the Patriarch Sfeir reconciliation (mousalaha) with Walid Beik is not forgiveness so forget it all then and let ‘s separate , by the end if a man and woman can’t live together what’s the best to do for them and for the kids, is to divorce to avoid fight and damage , same apply to us , we can stop lying today on each other and separate in civilized way like Switzerland and leave common business,nothing wrong with a canton style country like Switzerland and divide the resources

        1. I totally agree with guss39,
          Either we come together and build a country free from foreign influence and have a definition for what we want Lebanon to be or Switzerland style split is warranted. Now to define Lebanon is going to be a little hard ๐Ÿ˜›
          Are we Phoenicians? Greek? Roman? Byzantine? Arabs? Persians? Syrians (yuck :P)?
          We can really stop all the bs and declare, once and for all, Lebanon is the future (no relation to any future movements :P) and it is purely Lebanese and stop dwelling on the past.

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        So Amer, what are you trying to say, that everytime I visit my village when I go to Lebanon that I have to keep watching my back for what someone else has done??

  4. With all respect the Moslem Lebanese are always looking for outside leaders to worship,I could understand their religion doesn’t allow them to be ruled by a Christian president ( actually after Taef the PM rule the country) , but at least let them worship a Lebanese leader, it was so disgusting to see the Lebanese flag so small an purposely made not to the constitutional size ,the cedar hardly visible ( i think it was ordered on purpose by the Iranian Mullah Nasrallah and Mosawi ) , with the Sunni and Nasser in the 50’s and 60’s and Khomeini posters that reach 200 ft poster near the airport before Hariri divert the highway to the airport in order fro the Lebanese and the tourist not to see the Khomeini posters, I think the big bad luck happened in 1982 with the Israeli invasion , otherwise the Christian enclave was the best area to live in it was a real undeclared state ,all what was missing is an airport, you don’t want to live with a group who raise the Iranian flags higher than your country flag, unfortunately we have Aoun , otherwise we should really think about the separation.This is not a country , it is half country with bandits on the loose!!!

  5. With all respect the Moslem Lebanese are always looking for outside leaders to worship,I could understand their religion doesn’t allow them to be ruled by a Christian president ( actually after Taef the PM rule the country) , but at least let them worship a Lebanese leader, it was so disgusting to see the Lebanese flag so small an purposely made not to the constitutional size ,the cedar hardly visible ( i think it was ordered on purpose by the Iranian Mullah Nasrallah and Mosawi ) , with the Sunni and Nasser in the 50’s and 60’s and Khomeini posters that reach 200 ft poster near the airport before Hariri divert the highway to the airport in order fro the Lebanese and the tourist not to see the Khomeini posters, I think the big bad luck happened in 1982 with the Israeli invasion , otherwise the Christian enclave was the best area to live in it was a real undeclared state ,all what was missing is an airport, you don’t want to live with a group who raise the Iranian flags higher than your country flag, unfortunately we have Aoun , otherwise we should really think about the separation.This is not a country , it is half country with bandits on the loose!!!

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    With all respect the Moslem Lebanese are always looking for outside leaders to worship,I could understand their religion doesn’t allow them to be ruled by a Christian president ( actually after Taef the PM rule the country) , but at least let them worship a Lebanese leader, it was so disgusting to see the Lebanese flag so small an purposely made not to the constitutional size ,the cedar hardly visible ( i think it was ordered on purpose by the Iranian Mullah Nasrallah and Mosawi ) , with the Sunni and Nasser in the 50’s and 60’s and Khomeini posters that reach 200 ft poster near the airport before Hariri divert the highway to the airport in order fro the Lebanese and the tourist not to see the Khomeini posters, I think the big bad luck happened in 1982 with the Israeli invasion , otherwise the Christian enclave was the best area to live in it was a real undeclared state ,all what was missing is an airport, you don’t want to live with a group who raise the Iranian flags higher than your country flag, unfortunately we have Aoun , otherwise we should really think about the separation.This is not a country , it is half country with bandits on the loose!!!

  7. Guess,

    Moslim does not worship anything but Allah. We do take the word worship very seriously in this context, so mind your language when you attribute the word worship to muslims.

    I agree with you though when it comes to lebanese muslims always going to other muslim and non muslim countries to seek power, protection, recognition, etc…. SO DOES THE DRUZ AND THE CHRISTIANS one way or another. This has always been the case in Lebnon….some lebanese even took weapons from isreal to fight palestinians and other lebanese not so long time ago….

    It happened for now that the Sunni and most of the christians are forming / strngthening their alliances with Saudi, USA and other countries because the political climate forces them to do so…. The Shiite and some other christians are doing the same but with Iran and Syria, as for the Druze….they are with the strongest, in other words they keep in switching side in a way they make everyone dizzy to an extent everyone is starting to ignore them…which is to their favour politically at this point…they are the smartest if you want my opinion.

    Bottom line is there will never be an end of political leaders running after other countries, so get used to it….aren’t more than 80% of the lebanese living and working in most of the above countries??? fehmak kefeiyeh

    1. Abousteif Avatar

      JadM:

      Please do not pay attention to guss39 for he is a racist, hypocritical bigot who claims to be a Christian but doesn’t practice or preach one characteristics of Jesus’s teachings. It disgusts me to think that him and I politically might be aligned and the fact that there might be more of his likes, but I know that he is a fringe person. The Hizzy and everyone who supports it feed off of people like this guy guss39 and his statements.
      I have tried reasoning and responding to every single thing he puts up against Islam yet when he notices he cant respond he pretends i haven’t posted anything. Its people like him that do a dis-justice to their own confession because they think that if they LIE and ATTACK other peoples confessions then it will justify the validity of his OWN. Utter ignorance!!!
      Maybe.. if i simplify it for him.. he will learn. Its like saying “look that persons shirt is dirty” when in fact it isn’t! but he says it so that he doesn’t show his own shirt is dirty. He doesn’t know that EVERYONE can still see whats on his shirt!

      I have learned to just ignore him because i mean think about it. THE WHOLE AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN MEDIA have made it a mission to stereotype Muslims and completely vilify and demonize anything called Islam or related to it. YET, regardless of all these attacks people day by day are turning towards Islam and not the opposite. And all these people becoming Muslims are all educated and practice Islam even better then people born into an Islamic environment. So no matter what he says he cant do more damage then the US and European Media is trying to do.. so just ignore him.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar

        Welcome back Abousteif. Miss you bro.I hope all is well.

        1. Abousteif Avatar

          hahaha.. Habib il 2alb Prophet! wallah na7na bil aktar. Please check your Inbox, i sent you an email ๐Ÿ˜€

          1. PROPHET.T Avatar

            He Abu Steif, good to have you back. I didn’t get an email from you bro.

          2. PROPHET.T Avatar

            He Abu Steif, good to have you back. I didn’t get an email from you bro.

        2. Abousteif Avatar

          is this email you provided:
          camou222@yahoo.com

          1. PROPHET.T Avatar

            Yes Bro. Good night , catch you tomorrow,

          2. PROPHET.T Avatar

            Hey Abu Steif, where did you go? I hope all is well with you and yours.

        3. Abousteif Avatar

          is this email you provided:
          camou222@yahoo.com

          1. PROPHET.T Avatar

            Yes Bro. Good night , catch you tomorrow,

          2. PROPHET.T Avatar

            Hey Abu Steif, where did you go? I hope all is well with you and yours.

      2. I never demonized moslems I just talk facts,the fact stated above by Jad of Christian arming themselves by Isreal is a silly fact for many reason , on of them that the shiites and amal trained witl Lebanese forces and both got arms from isreal and saad haddad majority army were shiites , thsi is what the PLO did to us,any human being have the right to defend himself, moselm ,shiites ,druze, the fact christians bought arm from isreal is we want to survive and protect our families when in 1976 the plo and all other bandits were in IUon El Siman ready to finsih us ,you mean is ok to die at the hand of the PLO, as Sami Gemayel said we bought arms from the devil to defend ourselves , and i give you an example, the shiite of Iraq cheered the american what the moslm call kouffarv call kouffar and welcomed the uprooting of Saddam .Let’s stop bullshiiting each other ,who saved Kuwait , the Kouffar right ,I have amny friend smoslem and they love me and we respect each other , and during the isreali invasion my moselm friends lived in my house in Achrafief for 2 months , I never insulted moselm religion ,i always talk from a political view , and moselm religon and politics are mixed ,Din Wa Dunia iand no one will disagree with me from , the christians are not angels, but in the sea of moselm countries we feel threatened and all the evn in Lebanon from 1958 turn around taking the power from the chrisTIANS AND THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN Taef , and now someone want to take the power from the Sunni even and so on. I have to aunts married to moslem and we never look at them as strangers and in many occasion we agree and disagree, and they agree 100 % that the country named Lebanon with no christians is not Lebanon but something else!!!!!

        1. Abousteif Avatar

          Guss,

          You have taken a lot of time to write up much about history and justifications for the actions of Christians in Lebanon. What Jad was saying was not to justify the Muslims actions but to show you that don’t point your finger to the Muslims because we can do just the same. I can write as much as you want me to to justify our actions but then I would be doing the same thing as our Shiaa brethren are doing with regards to Hizzy. The fact is again we all made our mistakes and there is no point in pointing the finger and putting the blame on one sect or one entity.. it is all our responsibility to bare.

          And just to make things clear on a political level we do not want Christians out of Lebanon, in fact we want them in Lebanon, and we want every single EXPATRIATE BACK in LEBANON where they belong in their land because not just your friends but my FATHER Taught me that without the CHRISTIANS THERE WILL BE NO LEBANON. So FYI most of the people in my environment who i grew up with that are Muslim were brought up with this mentality.

          The reason why I was saying you are a bigot and racist, is because I was assuming you are the same GUSS who on a previous topic was bashing Islam and saying lies about the prophet Mohammed, and demonizing Islam and the words in the Quran the topic was with regards to Burning the Quran. If you aren’t that Guss then i completely apologize and i was wrong to say those things. If you are that guss then you clearly deserve every single word I said about you cause what you are stating now is not what you were stating then. But again thats ifffffff that is the same person i am talking about.

          Peace

          1. Abousteif may god bless you, you are part of the solution in lebanon because of your thinking I can see hope for lebanon. You see my brother I believe the real lebanon is compose of people like you, that understand coexistence…

          2. Abousteif may god bless you, you are part of the solution in lebanon because of your thinking I can see hope for lebanon. You see my brother I believe the real lebanon is compose of people like you, that understand coexistence…

      3. What you mean racist , If I point differences and facts doesn’t make me a racist , Christ hate as he said God hate Mouhabat el Woujouh ,and El Kezeb , as God vomit the liars , I am LF or Kateb , and don’t agree with may of their doings in the war , but they had no choice when the state fall apart ( they have responsibility in that too) , IS NOT RACIST if I mention if Moslem looked always for leader in Arab world , and wrong to say Christian looked for France , that is really non sense , did we ask to Join Frrance in 1958 or Moslem asked to Join Syriand Egypt what was called Al Wihda ,and Camille Chamoun refused it and we paid by a civil war, Saeb Salam has a picture shooting with Machine Gun at the presidential palace in Kontari back then ,Just go to Beitedine now and you see a wing for 1958 revolution, Walid Beik is so proud of it that he forced a wing with picture of his father with Al Souwar of Houran with guns , the moselm broke the pact of 1943 no east and west and Nasser to Rule, 1968 Karame opposed the Army when they try to control the PLO arms and actions and left the country without Wizara for 6 months and we had to sigh the Cairo agreement with the PLO ,this was the end of sovereign Lebanon, 1975 Moufti Khaked declared the PLo is the Army of moselms , what was suppose doe the Christians to do,leave the mountains the rocky ontains that we ci=ultivate by blood and leave it for Arafat in order for him to Liberate his Palestine starting from Jounieh as Abu Ayyad said, we were suppose to sit and enjoy the ride of wiping us at the hand of Abou Ammar and mastermind planner Joumblatt and Karame who manage to split the army . It took Arafat to learn the lesson from Jordan when king Hussein slaughtered 20,000 Palestinians in 1970 when they try to take Jordan and the Lebanon lesson to realize that Intifada inside is the solution’s and not killing the Christians Lebanese . The Christian Lebanese were never fond of Israel ,even Assad the Father told Joumblatt you have to stop your project because you are pushing the christian in the hand of Israel and when he didn’t obey him he was eliminated .
        I am not a racist in fact I defend on daily basis the moslem outside as for us living outside no one differ between us as Moslem and Christians ,we are all for them the same , the proof is after Sept 11 a Cptic person was shot by a fanatic white supremacist who lived near him in New Jersey because the guy knew he’s Egyptian and didnt give a dam about his religion , and that’s what piss many Christian off as we defend the Moslem always and he Arabic culture and traditions but in middle east we are not treated as equal.one think Christ said do not judge so you will not be judge so don’t judge me as bad christian and take care of the thorn in your eye first before you talk to me , as my hand is innocent of all the civil war even that many of my relatives and friends were kidnapped ,killed and slaughtered in 1975-1976 as civilian !!!!!

        1. need to correct above I am neither Kateb or LF,in fact I belonged to the Edde party for a while

        2. need to correct above I am neither Kateb or LF,in fact I belonged to the Edde party for a while

    2. Abousteif Avatar

      JadM:

      Please do not pay attention to guss39 for he is a racist, hypocritical bigot who claims to be a Christian but doesn’t practice or preach one characteristics of Jesus’s teachings. It disgusts me to think that him and I politically might be aligned and the fact that there might be more of his likes, but I know that he is a fringe person. The Hizzy and everyone who supports it feed off of people like this guy guss39 and his statements.
      I have tried reasoning and responding to every single thing he puts up against Islam yet when he notices he cant respond he pretends i haven’t posted anything. Its people like him that do a dis-justice to their own confession because they think that if they LIE and ATTACK other peoples confessions then it will justify the validity of his OWN. Utter ignorance!!!
      Maybe.. if i simplify it for him.. he will learn. Its like saying “look that persons shirt is dirty” when in fact it isn’t! but he says it so that he doesn’t show his own shirt is dirty. He doesn’t know that EVERYONE can still see whats on his shirt!

      I have learned to just ignore him because i mean think about it. THE WHOLE AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN MEDIA have made it a mission to stereotype Muslims and completely vilify and demonize anything called Islam or related to it. YET, regardless of all these attacks people day by day are turning towards Islam and not the opposite. And all these people becoming Muslims are all educated and practice Islam even better then people born into an Islamic environment. So no matter what he says he cant do more damage then the US and European Media is trying to do.. so just ignore him.

    3. didnt mean worship in the sense of God worshiping, am not word game , you know in what sense i meant it

  8. Guess,

    Moslim does not worship anything but Allah. We do take the word worship very seriously in this context, so mind your language when you attribute the word worship to muslims.

    I agree with you though when it comes to lebanese muslims always going to other muslim and non muslim countries to seek power, protection, recognition, etc…. SO DOES THE DRUZ AND THE CHRISTIANS one way or another. This has always been the case in Lebnon….some lebanese even took weapons from isreal to fight palestinians and other lebanese not so long time ago….

    It happened for now that the Sunni and most of the christians are forming / strngthening their alliances with Saudi, USA and other countries because the political climate forces them to do so…. The Shiite and some other christians are doing the same but with Iran and Syria, as for the Druze….they are with the strongest, in other words they keep in switching side in a way they make everyone dizzy to an extent everyone is starting to ignore them…which is to their favour politically at this point…they are the smartest if you want my opinion.

    Bottom line is there will never be an end of political leaders running after other countries, so get used to it….aren’t more than 80% of the lebanese living and working in most of the above countries??? fehmak kefeiyeh

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      JadM:

      Please do not pay attention to guss39 for he is a racist, hypocritical bigot who claims to be a Christian but doesn’t practice or preach one characteristics of Jesus’s teachings. It disgusts me to think that him and I politically might be aligned and the fact that there might be more of his likes, but I know that he is a fringe person. The Hizzy and everyone who supports it feed off of people like this guy guss39 and his statements.
      I have tried reasoning and responding to every single thing he puts up against Islam yet when he notices he cant respond he pretends i haven’t posted anything. Its people like him that do a dis-justice to their own confession because they think that if they LIE and ATTACK other peoples confessions then it will justify the validity of his OWN. Utter ignorance!!!
      Maybe.. if i simplify it for him.. he will learn. Its like saying “look that persons shirt is dirty” when in fact it isn’t! but he says it so that he doesn’t show his own shirt is dirty. He doesn’t know that EVERYONE can still see whats on his shirt!

      I have learned to just ignore him because i mean think about it. THE WHOLE AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN MEDIA have made it a mission to stereotype Muslims and completely vilify and demonize anything called Islam or related to it. YET, regardless of all these attacks people day by day are turning towards Islam and not the opposite. And all these people becoming Muslims are all educated and practice Islam even better then people born into an Islamic environment. So no matter what he says he cant do more damage then the US and European Media is trying to do.. so just ignore him.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar

        Welcome back Abousteif. Miss you bro.I hope all is well.

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          hahaha.. Habib il 2alb Prophet! wallah na7na bil aktar. Please check your Inbox, i sent you an email ๐Ÿ˜€

          1. PROPHET.T Avatar

            He Abu Steif, good to have you back. I didn’t get an email from you bro.

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          is this email you provided:
          camou222@yahoo.com

          1. PROPHET.T Avatar

            Yes Bro. Good night , catch you tomorrow,

          2. PROPHET.T Avatar

            Hey Abu Steif, where did you go? I hope all is well with you and yours.

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        I never demonized moslems I just talk facts,the fact stated above by Jad of Christian arming themselves by Isreal is a silly fact for many reason , on of them that the shiites and amal trained witl Lebanese forces and both got arms from isreal and saad haddad majority army were shiites , thsi is what the PLO did to us,any human being have the right to defend himself, moselm ,shiites ,druze, the fact christians bought arm from isreal is we want to survive and protect our families when in 1976 the plo and all other bandits were in IUon El Siman ready to finsih us ,you mean is ok to die at the hand of the PLO, as Sami Gemayel said we bought arms from the devil to defend ourselves , and i give you an example, the shiite of Iraq cheered the american what the moslm call kouffarv call kouffar and welcomed the uprooting of Saddam .Let’s stop bullshiiting each other ,who saved Kuwait , the Kouffar right ,I have amny friend smoslem and they love me and we respect each other , and during the isreali invasion my moselm friends lived in my house in Achrafief for 2 months , I never insulted moselm religion ,i always talk from a political view , and moselm religon and politics are mixed ,Din Wa Dunia iand no one will disagree with me from , the christians are not angels, but in the sea of moselm countries we feel threatened and all the evn in Lebanon from 1958 turn around taking the power from the chrisTIANS AND THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN Taef , and now someone want to take the power from the Sunni even and so on. I have to aunts married to moslem and we never look at them as strangers and in many occasion we agree and disagree, and they agree 100 % that the country named Lebanon with no christians is not Lebanon but something else!!!!!

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          Guss,

          You have taken a lot of time to write up much about history and justifications for the actions of Christians in Lebanon. What Jad was saying was not to justify the Muslims actions but to show you that don’t point your finger to the Muslims because we can do just the same. I can write as much as you want me to to justify our actions but then I would be doing the same thing as our Shiaa brethren are doing with regards to Hizzy. The fact is again we all made our mistakes and there is no point in pointing the finger and putting the blame on one sect or one entity.. it is all our responsibility to bare.

          And just to make things clear on a political level we do not want Christians out of Lebanon, in fact we want them in Lebanon, and we want every single EXPATRIATE BACK in LEBANON where they belong in their land because not just your friends but my FATHER Taught me that without the CHRISTIANS THERE WILL BE NO LEBANON. So FYI most of the people in my environment who i grew up with that are Muslim were brought up with this mentality.

          The reason why I was saying you are a bigot and racist, is because I was assuming you are the same GUSS who on a previous topic was bashing Islam and saying lies about the prophet Mohammed, and demonizing Islam and the words in the Quran the topic was with regards to Burning the Quran. If you aren’t that Guss then i completely apologize and i was wrong to say those things. If you are that guss then you clearly deserve every single word I said about you cause what you are stating now is not what you were stating then. But again thats ifffffff that is the same person i am talking about.

          Peace

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            Abousteif may god bless you, you are part of the solution in lebanon because of your thinking I can see hope for lebanon. You see my brother I believe the real lebanon is compose of people like you, that understand coexistence…

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        What you mean racist , If I point differences and facts doesn’t make me a racist , Christ hate as he said God hate Mouhabat el Woujouh ,and El Kezeb , as God vomit the liars , I am LF or Kateb , and don’t agree with may of their doings in the war , but they had no choice when the state fall apart ( they have responsibility in that too) , IS NOT RACIST if I mention if Moslem looked always for leader in Arab world , and wrong to say Christian looked for France , that is really non sense , did we ask to Join Frrance in 1958 or Moslem asked to Join Syriand Egypt what was called Al Wihda ,and Camille Chamoun refused it and we paid by a civil war, Saeb Salam has a picture shooting with Machine Gun at the presidential palace in Kontari back then ,Just go to Beitedine now and you see a wing for 1958 revolution, Walid Beik is so proud of it that he forced a wing with picture of his father with Al Souwar of Houran with guns , the moselm broke the pact of 1943 no east and west and Nasser to Rule, 1968 Karame opposed the Army when they try to control the PLO arms and actions and left the country without Wizara for 6 months and we had to sigh the Cairo agreement with the PLO ,this was the end of sovereign Lebanon, 1975 Moufti Khaked declared the PLo is the Army of moselms , what was suppose doe the Christians to do,leave the mountains the rocky ontains that we ci=ultivate by blood and leave it for Arafat in order for him to Liberate his Palestine starting from Jounieh as Abu Ayyad said, we were suppose to sit and enjoy the ride of wiping us at the hand of Abou Ammar and mastermind planner Joumblatt and Karame who manage to split the army . It took Arafat to learn the lesson from Jordan when king Hussein slaughtered 20,000 Palestinians in 1970 when they try to take Jordan and the Lebanon lesson to realize that Intifada inside is the solution’s and not killing the Christians Lebanese . The Christian Lebanese were never fond of Israel ,even Assad the Father told Joumblatt you have to stop your project because you are pushing the christian in the hand of Israel and when he didn’t obey him he was eliminated .
        I am not a racist in fact I defend on daily basis the moslem outside as for us living outside no one differ between us as Moslem and Christians ,we are all for them the same , the proof is after Sept 11 a Cptic person was shot by a fanatic white supremacist who lived near him in New Jersey because the guy knew he’s Egyptian and didnt give a dam about his religion , and that’s what piss many Christian off as we defend the Moslem always and he Arabic culture and traditions but in middle east we are not treated as equal.one think Christ said do not judge so you will not be judge so don’t judge me as bad christian and take care of the thorn in your eye first before you talk to me , as my hand is innocent of all the civil war even that many of my relatives and friends were kidnapped ,killed and slaughtered in 1975-1976 as civilian !!!!!

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          need to correct above I am neither Kateb or LF,in fact I belonged to the Edde party for a while

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      JadM:

      Please do not pay attention to guss39 for he is a racist, hypocritical bigot who claims to be a Christian but doesn’t practice or preach one characteristics of Jesus’s teachings. It disgusts me to think that him and I politically might be aligned and the fact that there might be more of his likes, but I know that he is a fringe person. The Hizzy and everyone who supports it feed off of people like this guy guss39 and his statements.
      I have tried reasoning and responding to every single thing he puts up against Islam yet when he notices he cant respond he pretends i haven’t posted anything. Its people like him that do a dis-justice to their own confession because they think that if they LIE and ATTACK other peoples confessions then it will justify the validity of his OWN. Utter ignorance!!!
      Maybe.. if i simplify it for him.. he will learn. Its like saying “look that persons shirt is dirty” when in fact it isn’t! but he says it so that he doesn’t show his own shirt is dirty. He doesn’t know that EVERYONE can still see whats on his shirt!

      I have learned to just ignore him because i mean think about it. THE WHOLE AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN MEDIA have made it a mission to stereotype Muslims and completely vilify and demonize anything called Islam or related to it. YET, regardless of all these attacks people day by day are turning towards Islam and not the opposite. And all these people becoming Muslims are all educated and practice Islam even better then people born into an Islamic environment. So no matter what he says he cant do more damage then the US and European Media is trying to do.. so just ignore him.

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      didnt mean worship in the sense of God worshiping, am not word game , you know in what sense i meant it

  9. Guess,

    Moslim does not worship anything but Allah. We do take the word worship very seriously in this context, so mind your language when you attribute the word worship to muslims.

    I agree with you though when it comes to lebanese muslims always going to other muslim and non muslim countries to seek power, protection, recognition, etc…. SO DOES THE DRUZ AND THE CHRISTIANS one way or another. This has always been the case in Lebnon….some lebanese even took weapons from isreal to fight palestinians and other lebanese not so long time ago….

    It happened for now that the Sunni and most of the christians are forming / strngthening their alliances with Saudi, USA and other countries because the political climate forces them to do so…. The Shiite and some other christians are doing the same but with Iran and Syria, as for the Druze….they are with the strongest, in other words they keep in switching side in a way they make everyone dizzy to an extent everyone is starting to ignore them…which is to their favour politically at this point…they are the smartest if you want my opinion.

    Bottom line is there will never be an end of political leaders running after other countries, so get used to it….aren’t more than 80% of the lebanese living and working in most of the above countries??? fehmak kefeiyeh

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