Phalange: LAF should have exclusive rights to defend Lebanon

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The Phalange Party issued a statement on Monday in which it stated that mixing between the right of the Lebanese Armed Forces’ (LAF) to defend the country and that of Hezbollah might send the wrong signals to the international institutions jeopardize Lebanon’s credibility .

Granting the LAF an exclusive right to maintain the country’s security and stability will enhance its abilities, the statement added.

STL

“The government should reinforce its previous position regarding the Special Tribunal for Lebanon (STL) and the international resolutions,” the statement added.

The Phalange Party added that some parties represented in the cabinet, a possible reference to Hezbollah, have issued statements that negatively affected Lebanon’s image as a country that respects its commitments.

This comes in a possible reference to Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah’s statements last month calling the STL an Israeli project aiming to incite sectarian strife in Lebanon.

Palestinian rights

“A political, economy and social study must be conducted before any laws pertaining to the Palestinian situation are adopted,” it added.

The issue of Palestinian rights sparked debate after MP Walid Jumblatt submitted a proposal to parliament on June 15 to grant Palestinian refugees in Lebanon civil rights and allow them to own property in Lebanon. The majority of Christian MPs voted against the bill.

The parliament is expected to tackle the matter during its Tuesday session

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95 responses to “Phalange: LAF should have exclusive rights to defend Lebanon”

  1. slowly but surely the LAF will become that AFTER HA dismantles.

    right now a very slow merger is happening and it will take time so patience is a virtue.

    i would like to remind the phalange party of the tree incident where HA was in the bleachers while the LAF was performing in the forefront so, i think they’re alredy knowing their place and are not hesitating to take it.

    but should a war happen right now with israel, dont expect HA to serve them tea either.

    as a lebanese, i will demand that they defend lebanon and my family.

    1. Prophet Avatar

      MORNING TONY, You started your day with thumbs down, I think I’LL follow you in that path .lol.I’ll give you a thumb up .

      1. prophet i back you my man

      2. prophet i back you my man

    2. Prophet Avatar

      MORNING TONY, You started your day with thumbs down, I think I’LL follow you in that path .lol.I’ll give you a thumb up .

  2. slowly but surely the LAF will become that AFTER HA dismantles.

    right now a very slow merger is happening and it will take time so patience is a virtue.

    i would like to remind the phalange party of the tree incident where HA was in the bleachers while the LAF was performing in the forefront so, i think they’re alredy knowing their place and are not hesitating to take it.

    but should a war happen right now with israel, dont expect HA to serve them tea either.

    as a lebanese, i will demand that they defend lebanon and my family.

  3. Prophet Avatar

    Exclusive rights to defend Lebanon.

    I’d understand if this call was made by someone else beside the Phalange party. Two of Lebanon’s presidents came from that party. Both were brothers, from the Gemayle Family. Both rode Israeli/American tank to the presidential palace. I’m not here to bring back that painful part of our recent history , when the Phalange part was in alliances with Israel. But Statements like the one Phalange part issued today, does nothing but underestimate people’s intelligence. It gives me no choice but to remember that history. All I want to say, without offending anyone, is that the phalange party is the last party that should put out strategies on how to defend Lebanon from Israel .

    YALLY ISSTAHOO MATOO.

    1. ya samir geagea & co should keep their mouth shut. i wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out he was on israeli payroll too.

      at least Hariri calls for unity, moderation but these monkeys do nothing but create division.

      1. Tony Smith Avatar
        Tony Smith

        Cathy

        What unity you are talking about when more than half of the country is occupied by a militia that thinks they are above the law.

        You expect Geagea and the phalangist to just sit around and get pushed over by HA each and every day.

        Enough is enough.Get it thru your thick heads all of you there will never be a united Lebanon as long as these monkeys keep their weapons.

      2. Tony Smith Avatar
        Tony Smith

        Cathy

        What unity you are talking about when more than half of the country is occupied by a militia that thinks they are above the law.

        You expect Geagea and the phalangist to just sit around and get pushed over by HA each and every day.

        Enough is enough.Get it thru your thick heads all of you there will never be a united Lebanon as long as these monkeys keep their weapons.

      3. kioticwrath Avatar
        kioticwrath

        mat3isha ktiir tony we all above the law no one better than the other kelna 7aramiye kelna ma3na sle7 wo bas la5brak tol 3omro jesh 3le vito mn bara shen hek 3andak shi esmo hezbollah

      4. Cathy,

        In a democratic country everyone is in title of an opinion even if you disagree. So please respect Geagea for having to courage to speak is mind an not to align himself like Aoun with political platform of HEz…

        Hey guys let use civilize wording in our exchange thats how we can advance in our debate.

        Truth is in the hand of the peace maker…

        Regards

      5. Cathy,

        In a democratic country everyone is in title of an opinion even if you disagree. So please respect Geagea for having to courage to speak is mind an not to align himself like Aoun with political platform of HEz…

        Hey guys let use civilize wording in our exchange thats how we can advance in our debate.

        Truth is in the hand of the peace maker…

        Regards

      6. i love cathys feistiness and though she sounds unfair, i know shes directong her talks to all parties cos she criticises evedrybody equally.

      7. i love cathys feistiness and though she sounds unfair, i know shes directong her talks to all parties cos she criticises evedrybody equally.

      8. @ Tony Smith, habibi, I didnt say there was unity as we speak, I said, HARIRI, you hear that, HARIRI’s speach calls for unity and moderation in order not to escalate tensions in Lebanon.

        whereas Geagea always strives for division.

        I think what Im saying is very clear.

      9. Tarie AL Fanarie Avatar
        Tarie AL Fanarie

        And Cathy I don’t see you picking on Hezbollah when they keep reminding us if the STL accused them we may see events like May of 2008? all they do is attack STL instead of working with it in order clear themselves if innocent of course? i see many of the opposition come daily and say negative news all the times. they talk unity but as long as we’re under their arms. Is this what you call unity? Hariri has no choice but to call for Unity. He’s the PM, but Geagea and gemyal has a lot fear not just from Hezbollah, but from may extremists in the country. Also fear from syria and iran? All they can do is keep screaming because they scared of them? The christians in lebanon are not divided, they’re fading and these minority leaders are fighting to keep the christians influence and their existance alive. it doesn’t serve the purpose when you have Aoun and franjieh and other low life serving on Nassrallah hands and foot. People here accused them of being pro-israelis. Yes no one can deny their past, but what do you expect when the christians had their backs to the walls and no one can help them. When asking Syria’s help they not only took control of lebanon, the destoryed it. There were no different than the israelis. But at least when Bashir Gemyal was about to become president he was trying to deny israel control of lebanon and told them flat out we’re not going to be a vessel of Israel. That’s why they’re agents let him get killed because they knew he betrayed them and second if he’s killed. Then the christian miltias would be forced to invade the camps to take revenge. Bashir refused to attack the camps and Sharon hated him for it. We all used outside proxies to help us in wars one way or another. But anyone says that being friends with syria is different than lebanon. I say you’re as much traitor as the other then. if you can’t see my way, then we never going to be united. Go unite hezbollah, syria and iran outside my country. I do not wish to have you or them or israel for that matter.

      10. Tarie, I respectfully disagree on some points.

        one of them being: “Then the christian miltias would be forced to invade the camps to take revenge. ”

        they were “forced”?????

        really? why? why did the palestinians (many christians BTW)have to be slaughtered, raped, tortured like animals???????

        Also, im sure you think Syria was behind his assassination.

        the truth is no one knows for sure, I find it very “coincidental” timing that he was refusing what he had promised Israel initially, and he then gets assassinated.

        I will agree with you on this: “Go unite hezbollah, syria and iran outside my country. I do not wish to have you or them or israel for that matter.”

        the only problem with that, which I have stated over and over, is lets say, HA disappears ya 3ammi and its a perfect world with unicorns and rainbows, what exactly do you think israel will do then? since you did acknowledge that they are no friend of Lebanon either….

        just someone please use some logic and explain to me, how do you think the situation would be if HA was dismantled in this second and your wishes came true, paint me a picture of what lebanon would be.

      11. an account from a palestinian christian from the camp according to Robert Fisk:

        A Palestinian Christian woman called Milaneh Boutros has recorded how, in a truck-load of women and children, she was taken from the camps to the Christian town of Bikfaya, the home of the newly assassinated Christian president-elect Bashir Gemayel, where a grief-stricken Christian woman ordered the execution of a 13-year-old boy in the truck. He was shot. The truck must have passed at least four Israeli checkpoints on its way to Bikfaya.

      12. LOL!! So I get a -1 on an account of some palestinian christian??!!

        you people are hilarious! and blind I must add.

      13. Tarie Al Fanarie Avatar
        Tarie Al Fanarie

        How dare you accuse gemyal of being a monkey when his son died at the hands of the terrorist you trying to arm. This monkey you called is trying to protect you from wearing a veil from head to toe? this monkey always worked for the best interest of lebanon unlike the monkies who sites in dahia and send their thugs to intimidate and kill people on regular basis. you don’t seem to mind those monkies. Yes i am sure you’re going to say do you have a proof of that? yes i do and I am not going to tell you how i know. Its easy for you to label people while you have not suffered as much as them. Maybe Geagea had blood on his hand but gemyal has been at least straight forward person for a long time. you should be ashamed of yourself making those statmts. I dare you call Nassrallah a monkey? why because you scared shit of them. that makes you less of a monkey.

    2. ya samir geagea & co should keep their mouth shut. i wouldn’t be surprised if it turned out he was on israeli payroll too.

      at least Hariri calls for unity, moderation but these monkeys do nothing but create division.

    3. prophet i didnt know that. thank you for the info.

      1. Tony, you sound like you falling for Cathy…

        Cheers Brother

      2. Tony, you sound like you falling for Cathy…

        Cheers Brother

    4. prophet i didnt know that. thank you for the info.

    5. Leborigine Avatar
      Leborigine

      You see, this is the problem with Lebanon, even though I am not denying the fact that they rode the Israeli tank to the prseidential palace, but what about the the presidents before and after that rode the syrian tanks??

      Why do you uneducated people ignore that??

      Both our neighbours are worse than each other, but you cannot praise one who has done as badly because they are arabs. Be Lebanese you morons first, before religion, race , culture, ethnicity and arabism. Syria is as bad as israel, do not let anyone fool you, for crying out loud.

      Please (certain morons)do not tell me that there are bigger fish to fry or let bygones be bygones.

      As an extra note, I would support HA with my life if they fought for Lebanon only and only Lebanon, till they prove that, I do not have much sympathy for them.

      1. Leborigine, you are saying exactly what we have been saying. They are BOTH our ennemy.

        the only point where we disagree is who represents the imminent and bigger danger to LEBANON AS WHOLE.

      2. Syria is not an enemy to Lebanon, and anyone who thinks this should pay back with their lives for the 15,000 Syrian soldiers who died to defend Lebanon from Israel and the Lebanese themselves. Lebanon was the cause of its own civil war, not Syria or Israel. Lebanon was treating its own citizens unfairly based on what religion they belonged to. It was no surprise that a war would break out. Lebanon caused its own war. Syria went into Lebanon after the Christians had asked for Syria’s help. Syria gladly went in and defended Lebanon, but the Christians had other motives, which was to kill all the Muslims, and recruited Syria and Israel to do it for them. Syria refused and justly fought against the Christians for this treachery. Syria wanted stability and peace in Lebanon, whereas Lebanese religious denominations wanted the entire country to themselves. Don’t ever forget that the Lebanese caused their own problems; Syria was only there to fix it.

  4. Prophet Avatar

    Exclusive rights to defend Lebanon.

    I’d understand if this call was made by someone else beside the Phalange party. Two of Lebanon’s presidents came from that party. Both were brothers, from the Gemayle Family. Both rode Israeli/American tank to the presidential palace. I’m not here to bring back that painful part of our recent history , when the Phalange part was in alliances with Israel. But Statements like the one Phalange part issued today, does nothing but underestimate people’s intelligence. It gives me no choice but to remember that history. All I want to say, without offending anyone, is that the phalange party is the last party that should put out strategies on how to defend Lebanon from Israel .

    YALLY ISSTAHOO MATOO.

  5. lol marc i’m married with a child.

    i love cathy’s feistiness and she has more balls than most men on this site.

    much peace to all 🙂

  6. if it wasn;t for the phalange party and other lebanese standing up for the palestinain lebanon will be no more now yes thos people did pay heavy prices and they still doing so not like the newish party we have now try hard to make every one is traiter but them and if you look deep down you can see thats they are only bounch of crimials and drug dealers

    1. Tarie AL Fanarie Avatar
      Tarie AL Fanarie

      I totally agree with you Joey? even when the phalangist were defending Lebanon, they accused them of being the isolanist and the PLO were then the savior of Lebanon. How could that be we were the enemies of Lebanon and they’re weren’t. what’s wrong with this picture.

  7. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    Wow, there are so many speeches in the last one week but are not posted on ya libnan. Especially theong speech of the LF in their festival in Alley whi h jumblatt party participated and many other. They really hit hard on Nassralleh. HA has used Aoun to gain most popularity amongst the christains but it failed. The LF still have the popularity amongst the christains. Cathy, If geagea shuts up we become coward with no opinion as christians. Lets put it this way the LF are still the icon of the christians in Lebanon and as a Christian I want Geagea to speak loud because at the end we are not fearing HA threats. remember the 2008 HA never approaches or invade the LF territories, why? Because it would have turn th country into civil war. So Geagea role is important for the Christians and sunis in facing HA. So you like him nor you don’t we have no other choice. Who do we have beside Geagea? As far for Amine I am not a big fan or supporter due to past history which I don’t want to talk about.

    Last but not least, the great attachment and relationship between Geagea and Hariri is holding Lebanon from any

    coup d’Etat by HA as they cannot defeat us on the ground.

    Conclusion, let Geagea or anyone from LF shouting non stop to hold HA from eating us up with no time

    1. Jean, I completley understand your points and that is the feeling of many christians in Lebanon who are afraid.

      but personally, as a christian, I do not want geagea as my spokesperson. I really truly think this is the problem in Leb. People follow STUPID LEADERS (including HA).

      it is like people are not able to stand back and try to look at the bigger picture.

      Jean, if you honestly think that Geagea doesnt have personal motives then I beleive you are sadly mistaken.

      I have stated before why I do not like LF’s philosophy…I have met many people who have occupied very important ranks in the LF and the only thing I heard from their mouths was insults to muslims, that they do not want their kids to go with muslims to the same school, I would rather live with an israeli jew than with a muslim, etc. where is the patriotism?

      I feel like we cannot trust anyone in these political parties, and with all my respect for all geagea supporters, I really would not be surprised if he is caught as a spy.

      why dont the lebanese people get out and start a freaking revolution against all these damn parties and reclaim our country from the hands of all these foreign workers (thats what they should be called since they only work for countries other than lebanon)!!!!!

      1. Jean Haddad Avatar
        Jean Haddad

        Cathy, I can’t see Geagea as a spy agent anymore. I hope if those politicians step down today but who would replace them. We have no one as we speak. I agree with your logic of a revolution against all parties and leaders but again who will lead this revolution? We are back to Zero. So let me be realistic and deal with he cards that we have on hands. God be with us

      2. Cathy,

        All our politician have motive whether they are personnal or not. The issue here I believe is to look at their current action are they serving the lebanese people by serving justice,truth, or are they creating confict for conflict in order to implement their ideology and serv others like mullahs… Geagea is not a perfect human, but then again show me a perfect leader I will show Jesus…. But as a Christian we need to choose a leader that represent us in order to build strong ties with other lebanese.

        Do you actualy believe that Aoun is a better leader I don’t.

        As a christian I forgive Geagea for is past mistake. He is a man who spend almost 10 years of his life in prison for his conviction, he is alowed to speak his mind, and denonce the injustice. Like for instance the fact that hez is more arm than any other sect under the brand of resistance. I truly want dialogue with hez but I want this dialogue to be equal to equal. Once we as lebanese come together, we can confront anyone and the international commnunity will be split 5050 on any confrontation with ISreal.

        With respect Sister,

      3. Jean I know it might be wishful thinking to start a revolution but who would lead us? US, the honest, lebanon loving, lebanese….it has happened in other countries in the past…we can only dream of such a day!

      4. Marc,

        I really do agree with you on most of what you said…and no I dont think Aoun is better actually… but Geagea for me is the same..yes he is allowed to speak his mind but

        I just despise his divisive speeches and giving moral lessons when he really should be the last one to talk….

  8. jean you make sense. it really doesnt matter who is the person as long as they make sense. thats all i’ve been saying and i’m not attacking cathy on this cos i honestly like her posts. she’s valuable to input her thoughts.

    i dont like any of these yahoos but if they make sense i will definitely congratulate them and i have never for once believed that HA is ever intending to run lebanon.

    its not in their intentions to do so at all. i absolutely dont think its to their advantage to do so cos saudi, syria (i know you might disagree but they dont trust anyone), qatar and anybody else will not allow HA to take over so we might as well all rest comfortably.

    they yell a lot and they threaten alot and they disrupt busines a lot but i dont see them as lusting to be conquerors.

  9. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    Tony, I have no issue with Cathy posts and I respect her comments. Each one has the rights to express and stick with its own beliefs. My role is to persuade her but if I can’t then I cant enforce it. Sometimes I don’t like our politicians but I have choice to ignore but I can’t stand against them if all Lebanese do then we end up with no people except politicians with one option to leave the country so this is not an option so I need to stand and with the time I can change their visions. For an example, I don’t feel Jumblatt is a bad politician as opposed to Aoun. Jumblatt isn’t seeking for power more than worry about the Druze community and under some other circumstances that enforce them him to choose certain road and Geagea and Amine are in the same game but Aoun he has no worry about the christains at all more than worry about his personal agenda “power and money”. For Aoun I wont stand I wont ignore but I will fight him all the way till he drops and similar to HA which they are not worrying so

    Much about the Shias more than they are using the Shias fo other gains. My message to everyone don’t judge the politicians based on their past. We were all worriors. Shias welcomed many times the israelis, berri has met Sharon many times in baabda

  10. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    Tony, I have no issue with Cathy posts and I respect her comments. Each one has the rights to express and stick with its own beliefs. My role is to persuade her but if I can’t then I cant enforce it. Sometimes I don’t like our politicians but I have choice to ignore but I can’t stand against them if all Lebanese do then we end up with no people except politicians with one option to leave the country so this is not an option so I need to stand and with the time I can change their visions. For an example, I don’t feel Jumblatt is a bad politician as opposed to Aoun. Jumblatt isn’t seeking for power more than worry about the Druze community and under some other circumstances that enforce them him to choose certain road and Geagea and Amine are in the same game but Aoun he has no worry about the christains at all more than worry about his personal agenda “power and money”. For Aoun I wont stand I wont ignore but I will fight him all the way till he drops and similar to HA which they are not worrying so

    Much about the Shias more than they are using the Shias fo other gains. My message to everyone don’t judge the politicianS today based on their past. We were all worriors. Shias welcomed many times the israelis, berri has met Sharon many times in baabda, LF get trained by israelis and at the end of the day the israelis has terminated geagea. Today Lebanon live different crisis we need to be fair with our arguments and judgement.

  11. christian martyr Avatar
    christian martyr

    ahhhh news flash if it wasnt for the lebanese forces there would be no such thing a priests or nuns in lebanon…we would of been muslim instead… yes we were allied with isreal and america and in fact we still are! why? we got no other help from the arab nations why? because they all wanted the christians dead as much, dont ever in your life expect me to believe the arab nations such as iran and syria want to help us because there only after things that are of advantage to there country and people infact they were the ones who sparked conflict among christian poloticians.. i find it of great concern when people praise hezzeballah when they were the militia that began war with isreal due to its disturbance on the isreali border every now and then, we are so sucked in with,’israel is an enemy to the lebanese people’ when its intention was to go after hezzeballah. israel didnt harm my home or my family nor my city,because we never put its citizens in threat, however it did bomb my country and our people were in danger because thats where hezzeballah activity was. what do you expect from them when you have hezzeballah gorillas shooting rockets from a building full of civilians, why are they in the building in the first place? but you have to look at the situation from all sides none of this would of happened if hezzeballah was armed and began its aggresion from the southern border, we have LAF protecting us we dont need no militia and considering the fact the lebanese army isnt as well equiped in modern world things arent like they were where there are laws that legislate common ground between countrys and borders! the incident with the lebanese army and isreali troops was a simple misunderstanding due to lack of communication between two nieghbours i was fired up about our troops being killed but the isrealis backed away and knew there place and that is behind the blue line. peace

    1. Leb-Syrian Avatar
      Leb-Syrian

      I wont even bother reading the rest of your bologna of a paragraph, because your first sentence speaks for the rest of what you have to write.

      “ahhhh news flash if it wasnt for the lebanese forces there would be no such thing a priests or nuns in lebanon…we would of been muslim instead…”

      If that is the case, then why are there priests and nuns in syria? as far as my knowlege none of them have been forced to convert, and they are free to practice their religion, and in no way are they treated like second class citizens compared to anyone else.

    2. Leb-Syrian Avatar
      Leb-Syrian

      “we got no other help from the arab nations why? because they all wanted the christians dead as much”

      Now your just paranoid, this is probably the idealogy you grew up with in your home. The world is changing, and the majority of civilized people could care less what religion you practice. If anything, other “arab nations” are alot more fearful of extremist militant islamic groups over christians.

    3. Brother ( Christian martyr ) Im very sensitive with your post. I think you are right about other you perceive us as being a nightmare on their road to implement their political ideaology, and a Leader like Aoun sold is soul for money and power…

      Nonetheless, we need to build bridges between each other in order to live in a modern society who believe in the dignity of the person no matter what their religion is or race. This my brother make us truly christian, and will make plant the seed of peace hopefully for many year to come…

      Regards

      1. you see why I have to adamently disagree with my fellow christian “paysans” because they still use religion more than the people (muslims) they fear!!

        why dont you think about Lebanon first Christian martyr?

        you say america and israel helped you wlek im telling you you people are as BLIND AS A BAT!!

        they DONT CARE ABOUT US!! they USE us, ok USE us to accomplish thier goals in the ME.

        I know this iraqi christian who told me, they never had trouble going to church, praying in iraq until the US stuck their nose in their, because of the U.S. not muslims, U.S. policies, muslim extremism is on the rise in a way that is scary, even to moderate muslims themselves!

        and now this woman had to leave along with her family, and she blames the US not those psycho jihadists who needed an excuse and AMERICA the land of the free, conveniently offered one.

      2. Leb-Syrian Avatar
        Leb-Syrian

        CATHY,

        I wish they are all as level headed as you are and see the big picture. These same people that are making these comments probably side with the Lebanese-Mossad spies, because they think that Israel wants to rid them of Hezballah just for the love of the Christians in Lebanon. Why dont they say how Christians in Palestine are killed day in and day out, and how Rabbi’s and Jewish children are taught to spit at Priests in Israel. Newsflash, They dont love Christians more than they love Muslims.

      3. Leb-Syrian Avatar
        Leb-Syrian

        Just to support my argument, here is evidence.

        http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/armenian-archbishop-quizzed-over-spat-with-yeshiva-student-1.137016

        The Armenian archbishop in Israel, Nourhan Manougian, was questioned under warning by police yesterday after he slapped a yeshiva student during a procession marking the Exaltation of the Holy Cross in Jerusalem’s Old City. The archbishop slapped the student after the latter spat at the cross the Armenians were carrying and at Manougian himself.

        The incident developed into a brawl during which Manougian’s ceremonial medallion, which has been used by Armenian archbishops since the 17th century, broke.

        The yeshiva student was also detained for questioning.

        Police are now considering whether to initiate criminal proceedings against the Armenian archbishop and to charge him with assault. Meanwhile, the incident has sparked much anger among the clergy of the small Armenian community in Jerusalem.

        Religious Jews, among them yeshiva students, customarily spit on the ground as a sign of disgust on seeing the cross. The Armenians, who live adjacent to the Jewish Quarter of the Old City, suffer from this phenomenon more than any of the other Christian sects in the Old City.

        Manougian says he and his colleagues have already learned to live with it. “I no longer get worked up by people who turn around and spit when I pass them by in the street; but to approach in the middle of a religious procession and to spit on the cross in front of all the priests of the sect is humiliation that we are not prepared to accept,” he notes.

        A policeman is customarily posted to guard the Armenians’ religious processions, but doesn’t generally do anything to prevent the spitting. The Armenians took the matter up with Interior Minister Avraham Poraz some seven months ago, but nothing has been done about till now.

        “The Israeli government is anti-Christian,” Manougian charges. “It cries out in the face of any harm done to Jews all over the world, but is simply not interested at all when we are humiliated on an almost daily basis.”

        Lawmaker Rabbi Michael Melchior (Labor Party) says the phenomenon should be tackled through educational means. “I would expect prominent figures among the religious and ultra-Orthodox sectors, such as the chief rabbis, to denounce this phenomenon,” he says.

      4. Leb-syrian, I wish they would hear all the stories coming out of there… even the “arab israelis” whom Israel uses to say that many arabs live freely in israel have been protesting day in day out about racism and not feeling like they belong there….

    4. Leb-Syrian Avatar
      Leb-Syrian

      Christian Martyr is my new victim, what a moron.

  12. Christian Martyr is right. Don’t forget the Cairo and Melkart accords. The Arab League sold you down the river. However, I don’t see how Israel is as bad as Syria. We have never claimed Lebanon as part of our country.

  13. Racism works both ways Cathy. ‘Arabs’ west of the Jordan consider anyone with a fair complection to be the decendents of foreigners and less indigineous.

    1. Adam, go to jerusalempost.com

      this forum is for LEBANESE people.

      Thank you

      1. cathy, r u afraid to find out you are misinformed?

        “whom Israel uses to say that many arabs live freely in israel have been protesting day in day out about racism”

        Where did you get that shit from? this is totally untrue, it is against the law in israel to discriminate anyone for any

        reason what so ever. prove me wrong. (idiots, criminals and racists, live everywhere on the planet, unfortunately)

        If not for the never ending war mongers like the HA&Co. there wouldn’t even be a fence on the Lebanese israeli border.

        Go and read the history of your civil wars and you’ll be surprised to find out that mostly countries like syria’ iraq,

        egypt and libya where involved from the arab side and germany, belgium and france from the western side, and

        how could anyone do without them, the russians got involved as well, not israel.

        Israel was forced into the scene due to rockets and terror attacks launched by the plo from within lebanon in the 1970’s

        and after syria’s taking over lebanon in 1976.

        Growing a monster like HA in lebanon, that is more likely a front desk, rocket launcher for the iranian imperial islamic

        dreams, will not benefit the people of lebanon (to put it mildly), and definitely casts a dark shadow over your efforts to

        unite as proud and prosperous nation.

        Sending people like adam (maybe i’ve got it coming 2 :)), to the jerusalempost forums or bloging in the antartics,

        confines you to your small puddle far from the open mindedness and originality you have presented here.

  14. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    Christian Martyr,

    Let talk as one of the Lebanese forces, I am phalangist from Saifi it means downtown beirut in the 80s I was served in the wahadet of adonis. I left to the US and Canada since 84 and I know what I am talking about. Our today crisis isn’t Christian or durzi or Suni or Shia its much bigger than you and me. So please don’t mix the 80s with the 21st it’s total different game.

    Let me tell that, when the LF decides to drop their weapons because was the moment that we have never believed anymore our war is about religions and we have chosen the road to live united under one flag. When I said we have never believed anymore about the war is about religions this where we start killing each other as christians for power and isolation. let me explain something probably you don’t know during the mountains war and shouf, the deal was to terminate the Lebanese forces within 72 hours a game between the American and amine gemeyal, you better read samir geagea

  15. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    Christian Martyr,

    Let talk as one of the Lebanese forces, I am phalangist from Saifi it means downtown beirut in the 80s I was served in the wahadet of adonis. I left to the US and Canada since 84 and I know what I am talking about. Our today crisis isn’t Christian or durzi or Suni or Shia its much bigger than you and me. So please don’t mix the 80s with the 21st it’s total different game.

    Let me tell that, when the LF decides to drop their weapons because was the moment that we have never believed anymore our war is about religions and we have chosen the road to live united under one flag. When I said we have never believed anymore about the war is about religions this where we start killing each other as christians for power and isolation. let me explain something probably you don’t know during the mountains war and shouf, the deal was to terminate the Lebanese forces within 72 hours a game between the American and amine gemeyal, you better read samir geagea book its a long story to tell. 2 the US has promised Geagea of building the Christian state instead they have delivered him to the Lebanese authority ending up in jail. So the issue is stop encouraging the US, and whoever when their game change direction they don’t care about us nor about Christian is all about them only and Israel. Honestly I don’t know who to believe anymore. But one thing for sure you can’t go wrong is what Amine and Geagea are doing become Lebanese worrying about Lebanon as one unit dealing with all other religion equally and this is where we are aiming as christians and as Lebanese forces. So please don’t bring the 80s in today crisis. Things have changed.

  16. Tony Smith Avatar
    Tony Smith

    Cathy

    I have to agree with you.The US invented extremism.When it comes to foreign policy they are ignorant.

    Christian martyr,

    I feel with you bro.We are all frustrated with our politicians but look what the US did after our soldiers opened fire on Israeli soldiers.

  17. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    Dear Christian Martyr

    I forgot to mention that I agree with you in the 80s the LF has saved the Christians from been deported from Lebanon . I don’t deny this but today it’s different story isn’t anymore about Christians or other religion is about Iranian regime and Israel challenging each other on our lands under the eyes of the Americans in particular and the world in general. Is it fair? Is it fair to our people? Trust me we are manipulated by all of them but united we are strong. Unfortunately HA still the break of this unity we will deal with it as Lebanese without counting on any outsiders.

    Hugs and kisses to you

    1. moustapha Avatar
      moustapha

      Mashallah Jean, you are speaking with true wisdom, and not faultered by personal feelings. Your just saying “it is what it is.” Its people like you that we need in each sect to create that bond between the different lebanese sects.

      The reason why many muslims in Lebanon have been able to overcome their Memories of Geagea is because of what you are stating. Things did happen in the past but lets look at who is still practicing those dirty habbits from the civil war.

      Many people are saying Geagea is always against uniting the Lebanese.. I don’t get that from him.. I feel he is strictly playing by the book which is the constitution of Lebanon. He has put his faith and trust in another sect openning the doors for his followers to begin accepting and respecting this special relationship.

      The assasinations of Rafik Hariri and every single martyr that followed May God rest all their SOULS.. was the catalyst for us to recognize that this isnt about the religons it about Lebanon as a whole.

      When i was a teenager I began to have an interest in educating my self with my belief and all the ones around me. My family and I had just returned to live in Lebanon and I began to be exposed to the secterian phenomenon we have to the point that I didnt know there was more then one sect in Islam. It was baffling especially when you did get to meet secterian people from all confessions.

      I began to unconciously hold onto my belief and become mit3asib.. and it came to the point where i would say to myself we were one people with the syrians before colonialism and so i wouldnt mind being one with the syrians and I thought this was just a christian plan to seperate the muslims of the region. Even though in a way it came under the European agenda to do so but regardless we never had these problems prior to the big mistakes the Othoman empire began executing upon all people of that area.

      During that time I once thought out loud infront of my father the idea of us having the government strictly muslim and I had never seen him so frustrated and disapointed in me.

      He said to me: Moustapha.. Min doon il masi7iyeh.. Lebnan ileh bit7ibo ma bikoon mawjood. fa shila lal fikra min rasak likano il shaghle il wa7ide ileh 7a ti7meh Lebnan whoeh ino il Lebnanieh yi7mo ba3don. Il ta3asob malak uw malo.

      I never thought I was being mit3asib until that moment. I had many discussions with my parents, family, friends and realised i was being mit3asib unjustly.

      I do believe that there are still people who are secterian like cathy says she knows many LF members who are extreme secterians.. but their children “are” mingling with other christians and muslims to that matter. And I am 1000000% sure many of them have changed their views with regards to being secterian.

      I’ve said this before and i will say it again. I was raised to uphold the thought that “kil il 3alam fiyon Khair ou Barakeh”

      I deffinately see that coming from you Jean.

      1. Moustapha,

        well written post. I truly hope that the mentality of those sectarians is changing like you say for what makes lebanon special is all the different sects living together, a mosque next to a church….

      2. Jean Haddad Avatar
        Jean Haddad

        Moustapha iove your honesty and sincerity, we make such a difference when we speak our mind and heart. It’s very difficult to change the mindset of the Lebanese because they are Living on false assumptions and beliefs. I keep felling them reality check reality check but is like knocking in the wall expecting to talk.

        The new approach of Gemeyal and Geagea toward unify and being one family under one flag we will change the followers in the long run. FYI, they are ao many Christians working with Hariri and they became members of Al mustaqbal this means there are so many like me and you. Hopefully I personally believe if HA disarm itself Lebanon will shift into new historical culture and new living standards for the greatest loubnan and becomes one of the best country in the world. I am very confident we will reach that time. Just be patient my brother

      3. moustapha Avatar
        moustapha

        Jean.. no joking, you make me want to tear brother.. because your words make me want to abandon everything I have made out of my self here in the ghirbe and blindly come back home.

        Whether it is in the beginning of our life time or later..na7na il lebananieh dayman emnirja3 la baladna mitil mal ensan byirja3 la Rabo(Sub7anhu wa ta3ala) bess lay mout.

        Barak’Allahu fik Khayeh Jean. I pray that Allah bi zeed min emtalak ou yihdeh il jami3 3ala nitak il safyeh, la 7ata en3amir baladna bi 2eed wa7de, ka ekhweh.

        My Sincerest regards to you my brother.

        Peace

      4. moustapha Avatar
        moustapha

        Cathy,

        That is the exact image i have in my mind when i think of Lebanon. The Crescent and the Cross side by side. Its Magnificent! The Lebanese phenomenon that will school the world.

      5. i love you jean and moustapha.

      6. moustapha Avatar
        moustapha

        HAHAHA.. Habibi Tony! Mucho Love back to you bro. Shouuuuuuuu 3 more weeks!! I hear there is a shipment of fuel coming in from Russia and Georgia to supply our power plants. So that is great news cause it means you guys can have less rationing of electricity by the time you get their inshallah.

        God speed bro.

  18. Prophet Avatar

    I Think I have athing for Cathy too,LOL

    1. inshallah khayr ya moustapha but not got me cos i’m only thee for a month. i care about the people who live there. they need it more than me for sure.

      1. PROPHET Avatar

        Tony, Bring some Teen (FIGS) from Lebanon. I haven’t tasted Lebanese Figs in years.

  19. CATHY you are full of it you just talk you meet a lot of LF high position people and they told you they don;t want the soon to go to the same school as muslims the LF ya chatra was full of muslims people fighting side by side with there lebanese brothered the was christans and druz and shia in the LF go bag and do a little more digging before you come up with rubbish you know nothing about the LF

    1. LOL ok Joey, whatever you say.

      its all behind closed doors YA CHATER.

  20. Sandman Avatar

    I only have one question: Where were the Phalangists and LF when Lebanon was occupied for 18 years and what did they do to free it from foreign military occupation?

    Zip, nothing, nada, null, naught, nothing, zero, zilch, wala chi.

    Nice try, I like how the Christians in Lebanon not only believe that Mary was a virgin but they also think that their mothers are virgins and they were all born by immaculate conception. What a circus Lebanon has become.

    1. George Haddad N.J Avatar
      George Haddad N.J

      Well Sandman they were trying to free it from Syrian and PLO. I guess you forget syrians were in lebanon too. Listen sandman and all of you who supports syria and pretend you don’t. And the same for hezbollah too. Syria and hezbollah killed hariri and many more with him and after him. Syria has killed thousands of lebanese when it was suppose to protect it. Syria destroyed the economy and stole bricks, charcoals and everything they can get their hands on. Not many people would have gone against hezbollah if it had not been for the assasination of hariri and many afterward. Do not feed us these lies about them not doing it or do i have a proof if they did it. The proof in the puttin and they are the ones who has been attacking the STL and focusing on false witness whom their testimonies were disregarded anyway. they’re focusing on spies for israel and even fabricated spies to make their points heard that israel was behind all assasinations. No one can deny that israel is capable of assasinating people almost at will. But there is no way in hell you are going to tell me that israel killed Mr Kassir, walid Eido, pierre Gemyal, gibran tueni and attempted to kill marwan hamade. This is what we hated about hezbollah and their way of trying to control everything in lebanon. Make no mistakes we’re all against any country and on top of it israel if it tries to occupy and control lebanon. Hezbollah wanted 20 yrs ago to establish waliat al faqih and the only reason it dropped this goal because it was not strong before to do so and feared more civil war could go on. But now they’re in position to do so and they’re doing it in indirect way. You can say dream on this will not happen. It will happen as long as they’re having their way with lebanon. We reject having them decide war and peace for us. yes they supposedly kick the israelis out after the israelis withdrew from lebanon. so if you want to feel good and say they kicked them out be my guest. The martyrs are dying not for lebanon sake but for the grand ayotallah and his grand scheme to conquer the arabian pennsula and want to make sure his rules spread over vaste area. The iranians are as greedy as israelis. except as much as the jews are greedy, they gave up some land with pressure of course. Stop accusing the christians whom the only country in the middle east had some influence and powers. where do you see their influence and in gov’t in any arab countries? where do you seem in the army high commands? where do you them even noticed in the middle east? there are millions of them and they’re regarded as second class citizens in those countries. In Saudi arabia they’re regarded as Kuffars? in egypt when they kill a muslim they’re being prosecuted. But when muslim kills a christian he’s let go after few yrs because they say he was not sane. If christians with all due respect to my muslims brothers wanted one tiny area of a big island to have influnence. here comes arafat and his abwaats and start taking over the streets of lebanon.And telling us the road to jersulim goes thru jouneih? or Hafez Assad who never recognized lebanon and said flat out that lebanon was part of the greater syria. what do you expect the christian to do sandman? there are many christians who fought against israel and still do. But i guess you only see geagea and gemyal. Its okay for syria and palestinians to kill lebanese and we can’t defend ourselves and our land? and we are regarded as traitors for tyring to seek outside help? tell hezbollah to give up those members who killed hariri and many others. tell them to give up their weapons and tell them to integrate in the army and take commands from the lebanese gov’t and no other gov’t. then we have no hate for hezbollah and if syria leaves in peace we would love them too. To me and to make you feel better i never trusted the israelis ever..so they can rot in hell..

      1. dnt forget who let the syrian enter lebanon in 1976

    2. christian martyr Avatar
      christian martyr

      LEB-SYRIAN ill tell you about the ideaology i grew up in my… i was a six year old boy with my family driving up north to visit relos when we reached a syrian army check point, now they get us to pull over because they asked my dad for money and cigaretts, when my dad had hidden is money in his socks and hid the cigaretts in my mums bag as they searched him and the car they found them all NOW do you want to know what the dirt weak scums done to my dad who was 57 at the time done to him infront of me my mum and younger sister? they hit him with the edge of there rifle took him in for 8 days belted him with a metal wip and put him in a truck tyre and began rolling him around…. now you expect me to praise syria and believe its crap? i deny anything and anyone who is allied to it… now in reguarding the christian-syrians sorry to say but its not the fairytale youve made it to be,why does the governement put secret police to monitor the mass if christianity is practiced freely? According to the Syrian constitution, Islam is the ‘main source for legislation’. Discrimination against non-Moslems is evidenced in the regime’s refusal, for the past 40 years, to grant permission for the opening of a single Christian school and in existing Christian schools, the law requires that the Principal being a Muslim…

    3. Sandman, your comment is very offensive. why exactly are you insulting all christians and their beleifs on top of that????

      dont YOU also beleive that Mary was a virgin as written in the Koran??

      all lebanese have a holier than thou attitude, and I am truly offended by your comment.

      during the occupation, there were many many traitors but not just chrsitians my friend.

      did you forget about Souha Bechara? she was a christian. ok khlessna min hek 7akeh ba2a!!!

      1. I think I need to stress on my point above

        during the occupation, there were many traitors, not just chrsitians but from all sects

        and souha bechara, who was christian is the perfect example of someone who loved her country and wanted to fight for it.

    4. moustapha Avatar
      moustapha

      I can say the same for every single sect that was under the 18 year foreign military rule. What have all the others done?

      As for the last comment you made, I dont understnad why you would say something like that. If you are muslim why would you try to incite these kind of feelings in your brothers heart.. especially in a time where you are supposed to be tyring to be closer to god(Ramadan).

      The Quran depicts to you how you should be addressing your brother.. allow me to share with you a few examples.

      (Qur’an 3:64-71) Surah Ale-‘Imran Say: “O people of the Book (Our Christian Brothers) come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not from among ourselves Lords and patrons other than Allah.” —When interperted it is an urge that we should find common grounds between us and our brethern (the people of the book).

      God expects us to stay away from mocking the religious beliefs of others, no matter how much we disagree with them.

      Quran, 6:108): “And insult not those whom they (disbelievers) worship besides God, lest they insult God wrongfully without knowledge. Thus We have made fair-seeming to each people its own doings; then to their Lord is their return and He shall then inform them of all that they used to do”

      (Quran, 29:46):”Do not argue with the People of the Book unless it is in the POLITEST manner, except for those of them who do wrong. Say: ‘We believe in what has been sent down to us and what has been sent down to you. Our God and your God is [the same] One, and we are Muslims before Him’”

      Please refrain yourself from posting comments that incite hate between lebanese brothers.

      Peace

  21. christian martyr Avatar
    christian martyr

    CATHY truth is none of the countries around us really care about us there all looking for personal gain see politics is all business, this is why we ‘lebanese’ people need to come together and speak whether it being geagea aoun nasralla gmayel etc and i strongly support the prime minister rafiq we need more people like him.

    SANDMAN go bury yourself you mule your comment is offensive how dare speak like that, some people skill you must have??? we can believe what we want and how we want and theres nothing you do about it! so infuture respect yourself and other people

    thanks jean for your info and khayeh george your spot on allah yehmik

    1. Jean Haddad Avatar
      Jean Haddad

      Chistains Martyr, brother you are alive

      George Haddad, I like your post

      Sandman, you sound dead back to sand. Just kidding man. Look, Pierre Gemeyal had invited the Syrians thinking of them as great nation to protect us in general from civil war. Unfortunately they discovered Lebanon as a treasure to capture. They turn against us so we were obliged to chase them out. Geagea has opened the road for he syrians to stop he blood shed between christians and it was the mistake of the century they ruled us for many years and they set the entire country under their control. Believe I am happy they came back to Lebanon as we have reached a moment to destroy the entire Christianity for power. Based on our mistake I mean us the Christian hezballah was built.

      As I said in previous post we are paying today our own mistakes created by our own leaders so it wasn’t because of the US or the israelis which they sold us too. So whatever we Re facing today is set by ourselves. I hate the syrians government as much I hate Israel and the Iranian government. I am talking as a Lebanese worried about the future of our children taking away from this bad history and hate.

      By the way, this debate suppose to be related to the article of Gemeyal so why we are debating the past. Plssssss forget about the past I am trying to avoid as much as I can. I wanna retire in Lebanon starring at harissa from jounieh and at the Mediterranean, listen to wael Kfoury enjoying good mezzeh with double apple shisha

      Love and peace to all of you

      1. Jean I love your posts!

    2. Christian Martyr, I agree with you on that point. That’s what I have been trying to say.

  22. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    Hey Tony, wasssup

    R u on ur way to Lebanon? Don’t worry man there’s no war.

    1. hey jean i will be there in 3 weeks for a whole month. dude we need more of you ad cathy prophet leb-syrian and all the others i like cos i’m telling you man, i like your posts.

      you live in the present which is some of these peoples biggest problems. they love to dwell on the past.

      we have an israeli infestation and many of them are whining about syria. i shake my hand to the obvious. if we as lebanese see that we have a cockroach problem, why are we trying hard not to tackle it but are so interested in tackling the mice?

      i’m not getting the logic here.

      what is it with history lessons and what happened 20 years ago. it was 20 years ago people. are they blind to whats actually happening?

      it wouldnt takea chicken with half a brain to maybe deduce that with all these israeli spies, maybe for an iota of a moment,they infiltrated all parties and maybe they might have had a hand in hte hariri killing and not HA.

      i’m only basing my opinion on what i’m saying and not my like to HAcos i sure as hell dont like htem just like i dont like any party.

      very wierd some of these peoples thinking.

      my family is saying the same habeebi.

      btw jean my best friends in college were samer and dahlia haddad who used to live in kuwait. you wouldnt be related to them would you? they were absolutely great brother and sister.

      i know theres no war but most lebanese on this site arent satisifed with that. i wonder who is the nut job, hizbollah or the lebanese on this site.

      i beleive HA has job openings for fanatics and whiners about the past.

  23. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    Thanks Cathy I enjoyed yours as well. You sound be aware of lots of things. Are you a journalist? Coz you talk with facts. Cheers to you

  24. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    Tony A, glad to hear from you. The Lebanese mindset and stubborns will change with time. Lets pay patients and big brothers. Sometimes I understand these guys with their frustration as I think they are surrender with hate and racism some of my family members are the same so this is Lebanon.

    Enjoy every second of Lebanon, breath the mountain fresh air the smelL of out pines trees.

    God be with you and my regards to your family

  25. jean where do you live brother.

  26. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    I live in Montreal, since 85, running my own engineering consultancy forum. We handle international economic development in the manufacturing sector for the world bank, UNDP, common wealth and some major buyers such as Khol’s international and ASDA/Walmart.

    Keep traveling around the world and I use my iPhone to keep track on the posts.

    1. jean lol you actually got a minus 1 man just for speaking about yourself.

      there are some real intelligent peole on our site for sure lol 🙂

  27. sandman you talking about the christain its like you know anything about them you right zep and close you ignorant as you are standing on shakey sand and what did your HA do get kiling and destroying zep your turn will come up don;t worry

  28. jean haddad 77 i don;t agree with you bro you see geagea wasn;t very good for the christain and he was onl intrested on one thing is the power and money thats why he did let amin do any work at all he try hard to stop him all the time and thats why bashir keep it him in the north he didn;t like much so how is canada with you take care ya rafi2 and take it easy

    1. Jean Haddad Avatar
      Jean Haddad

      Joey, i haven’t said Geagea was seeking for money or not good for the Christians. Power means to lead not to make money, and this is where the cheistians start killing each other. So pls don’t misunderstand my comments. I know Geagea since hissar dayr al amar. I know how Christian he is and I know how much they tried some of the christians leaders to destroy him I knonw so much who is Geagea. many crime been pasted on him which he never commit. I know him well him, Nader Sekar, Paul 3endari, Francois Me3rawi, etc…

      Take care man

  29. cathy all behim close door if the door where close how did you get in are you invisoble or something or prohet give you some power or what

    sorry prophet i didn;t mean to drig you name in here just wounder how cathy did it lchatra

  30. PROPHET Avatar

    No worry, Joey.

    Bypassing Natural laws are a true evidence of prophecies

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