Winners and losers in Gaza conflict

A Palestinian man kisses the body of one of his children during their funeral in the northern Gaza Strip. Jumana Abu Sefan, 18 months old, and her brother Tamer, three and a half years old, were killed in an Israeli air strike on Sunday. The biggest losers in the conflict appear to be the civilians in Gaza(photo: Reuters)

As the cease-fire between Israel and Gaza takes effect, it’s worth asking what the week-long conflict, which has left five Israelis and at least 140 Palestinians dead, actually accomplished. It’s probably too soon to know the answer for sure, but some early signs are emerging regarding who the conflict may have helped, who it hurt, and what it may have changed.

The biggest losers here will likely be, as they so often are, the civilians in Gaza and in nearby southern Israel, where Hamas-fired rockets and Israeli airstrikes caused dozens of deaths. If the fundamentals of the Israel-Gaza conflict remain unchanged, then it is difficult to see either this latest round of fighting or the cease-fire breaking the cycles of violence driving the conflict. In that sense, the short answer to “who won” is no one.

Still, this is a part of the world where optimism does not exactly reign. By the not-high standards of the Israel-Palestine conflict, the fighting might have actually provided some benefit to some of the region’s most important players — including, paradoxically, both of its primary antagonists. Here’s a quick rundown of how the leader actors may have been affected:

Israel: Winner in weakening Hamas. As Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak put it inannouncing the ceasefire, “What we set out to do has been fulfilled completely. Hamas has suffered and its senior officers have been killed.” And they did it without suffering any catastrophic attacks or launching a costly ground invasion as in early 2009. Though the underlying, long-term problem of Hamas’s willingness to fire rockets into Israel is still present.

Hamas: Winner in securing a deal to ease border crossings. The cease-fire agreement hints that Israel, which maintains a near-blockade of the impoverished Palestinian territory, might loosen border restrictions. That would certainly be good news for Gazans, 40 percent of whom are unemployed and 38 percent of whom are below the poverty line. Hamas’ popularity among Palestinians had reportedly been declining, so this significant concession could help its stature in Gaza. The high-profile negotiations with world leaders didn’t hurt, either.

The U.S.: Winner in gaining leverage with Israel on other matters. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu thanked President Obama in announcing the cease-fire, and many Israelis are likely expressing gratitude for the high-tech, U.S.-funded Iron Dome missile defense systems that proved so successful. The New York Times says Obama “is now in a far better position to start pressing Mr. Netanyahu on issues from the Israeli siege of Gaza to Iran to the dormant Middle East peace process, where he has had little leverage.”

Egypt: Winner in boosting stature in the Mideast, reassuring the West: Egypt is the official sponsor of the cease-fire and is credited with bringing Hamas to the negotiating table. Some observers, particularly in the West, worried that post-Mubarak, democratic, Islamist-led Egypt would quit is past role as Israel-Palestine mediator, instead counterproductively siding with Hamas. New Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi gets to look like an emerging player in the Middle East. His work on behalf of Hamas looks good among sympathetic Middle Easterners, and his advocacy for a cease-fire will reassure Western observers that he’s a partner for peace.

Mahmoud Abbas and Fatah: Loser in looking less relevant compared to Hamas.Meanwhile, in the West Bank, Abbas-led Palestinian political party Fatah is struggling for the kind of political cachet that Hamas gained this week. As the BBC’s Middle East bureau chief Paul Danahar put it, “Palestinian politics is a zero-sum game and Hamas has probably come out of this stronger among Palestinians. So Abbas is weaker.”

Turkey: Loser in sidelining itself where it was once more influential. The country has long played an important role in mediating Middle Eastern disputes; though non-Arab, the majority-Muslim democracy after all once ruled most of the Arab world. But the Islamist-leaning government’s severely anti-Israeli stance of recent years has left the country with little influence there. Michael Koplow, an expert on Turkish politics, sees a string of failures: “Now not only does Turkey appear impotent when it comes to Israel or pressuring the Assad regime in Syria, it has also lost its credibility as a valuable interlocutor.”

Long-term prospects for peace: Probably a loser. Fighting distracts from Israeli and Palestinian efforts to secure a long-term peace deal, and entrenches habits of opting for short-term military solutions. That both Israel and Hamas are in a position to walk away believing the conflict has left them better off would not seem to augur a dramatic shift in strategy. It’s impossible to predict the future, particularly in the Middle East, but the status quo is often a safe bet there, and that status quo does not seem to have Israelis or Palestinians moving any closer to peace.

 

Washington Post

  • nagy_michael2

    And Iran is in between looser and a winner. Looser in a sense it wanted the conflicts to go on and make the world pay attentions to that area more than Syria and away from its nuclear weapons. Also it distract its own people away from their economic misery. Winner also it got to explore and experience what Fajr 3 and other technology it exported to Gaza and how effective in creating terror among israelis even though the Dome has provided much protection. But these missiles probably weren’t the latest technology given to Hamas. so Iran keeps improving from 2008 to 2012 and I am sure they will be another round in the near future.

    • 5thDrawer

      Most Israelis feel the same … it is only a lull in a storm that rises and falls continuously. One might consider Gaza a ‘test lab’ for the greater idiologues of weaponry to kill Jews. Do we hate them so much because they came up with that ‘one god’ theory in the first place? ;-)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QUHCMQH262LEGPZCMEGORVMP2I Preview

         5th if i didn’t know better i would guess you are a jew parading as a human

        • Hannibal

          5th is a logical and a balanced person… I believe the remark was a sarcastic response to Nagy.

        • 5thDrawer

          Thank you Hannibal … and happily not Jewish. EITHER !! :-))))

      • Hannibal

        There were many other civilizations before them who came up with the One God concept: First was the Egyptian Aten cult during the reign of Akhenaten and second in Babylon we study the rise of Marduk. After those two comes the Persian Zoroastrianism (Iron Age) and the worship of the one God Ahura Mazda. In Canaan every city had One deity and they only acknowledged other city states’ Deity out of respect and to avoid conflict, namely, Adonis (where Magdalene called Jesus Adoni), Shamash, Baal etc…
        Judaism connects the One God to the Exodus, which we find NO record whatsoever of it ever happening in the Egyptian carvings and there were many. However the Egyptians did chase a nomadic group of thieves and bandits from the desert who used to raid the caravans between Egypt and Canaan that many nations of the period called them habiru (later Hebrew) who dwelled in the Arabian deserts and the Sinai and were mentioned in the Amarna tablets… Scholars say that the Habiru plagiarized the religion of Egypt and wrote their texts in the proto-Aramaic script they copied from the Phoenicians. Now you know that the real manna that fell from the skies was nothing but a form of pirating goods from the locals.
        One more thing… Did you know that Israel has enough fire power and nukes to obliterate the entire Middle East? Hmmmmmm… I wonder who is the tester and who is the lab rat in this world… Recent events and the picture above demonstrates who is the lab rat.

  • nagy_michael2

    And Iran is in between looser and a winner. Looser in a sense it wanted the conflicts to go on and make the world pay attentions to that area more than Syria and away from its nuclear weapons. Also it distract its own people away from their economic misery. Winnder also it got to explore and experience what Fajr 3 and other technology it exported to Gaza and how effective in creating terror among israelis even though the Dome has provided much protection. But these missles probably weren’t the latest technology given to Hamas. so Iran keeps improving from 2008 to 2012 and I am sure they will be another round in the near future.

    • 5thDrawer

      Most Israelis feel the same … it is only a lull in a storm that rises and falls continuously. One might consider Gaza a ‘test lab’ for the greater idiologues of weaponry to kill Jews. Do we hate them so much because they came up with that ‘one god’ theory in the first place? ;-)

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/QUHCMQH262LEGPZCMEGORVMP2I Preview

         5th if i didn’t know better i would guess you are a jew parading as a human

        • Hannibal

          5th is a logical and a balanced person… I believe the remark was a sarcastic response to Nagy.

        • 5thDrawer

          Thank you Hannibal … and happily not Jewish. EITHER !! :-))))

      • Hannibal

        There were many other civilizations before them who came up with the One God concept: First was the Egyptian Aten cult during the reign of Akhenaten and second in Babylon we study the rise of Marduk. After those two comes the Persian Zoroastrianism (Iron Age) and the worship of the one God Ahura Mazda. In Canaan every city had One deity and they only acknowledged other city states’ Deity out of respect and to avoid conflict, namely, Adonis (where Magdalene called Jesus Adoni), Shamash, Baal etc…
        Judaism connects the One God to the Exodus, which we find NO record whatsoever of it ever happening in the Egyptian carvings and there were many. However the Egyptians did chase a nomadic group of thieves and bandits from the desert who used to raid the caravans between Egypt and Canaan that many nations of the period called them habiru (later Hebrew) who dwelled in the Arabian deserts and the Sinai and were mentioned in the Amarna tablets… Scholars say that the Habiru plagiarized the religion of Egypt and wrote their texts in the proto-Aramaic script they copied from the Phoenicians. Now you know that the real manna that fell from the skies was nothing but a form of pirating goods from the locals.
        One more thing… Did you know that Israel has enough fire power and nukes to obliterate the entire Middle East? Hmmmmmm… I wonder who is the tester and who is the lab rat in this world… Recent events and the picture above demonstrates who is the lab rat.

  • Hannibal

    The analysis fails to mention that the whole conflict was started by Israel assassinating Al-Jaabari for the sole reason to further Bibi N.’s ambition to get reelected. As a matter of fact this little Israeli adventure brings nothing to Israel but more extremism. Al-Jaabari was not good to Israel because he threw anyone from his camp in jail who fired random rockets at Israel and contained Hamas. Now that he is out of the way extremists will start firing at random, Israel will play as usual the victim card to milk more resources from the U.S.
    As far as the Iron Dome is concerned, I bet that it is just a fake umbrella. I am certain that Russia, Iran and subsequently Hezbollah will find a way to defeat it. For now they can send many decoy rockets, and there are plenty of those, to confuse the dome right before sending the more precise load. This tit for tat escalation is nothing but a long term strategy for Israel to ethnically cleanse the legitimate people of the land, the Aramaic canaanites Palestinians (see picture: Canaanite Palestinians owner of the land before the world wars 1910), and foster more extremists to create an excuse to continue their agenda.
    What is despicable to me is the lack of military help from the stupid West Bank Palestinian Authority. They stood by watching like the cowards they are. Since when a Palestinian treats another Palestinian as the lesser dog? And Morsi… Do not let me get started with this mongol head power hungry Islamist coward… I guess I will stop right here before I start cursing and yalibnan admins complaining for shooting my mouth off.

    • 5thDrawer

      You are right to state some facts …. there ARE families who have/had held land for aeons and have papers from ancient rulers to show it. Some hold the keys to ancient locks of property that no longer exists. Momentos of past history. They have been sucked into the whirlpool of the politicos and despots of other generations, and various conflagrations they had no control over or desire for. What they simply wanted, I suppose, was to farm in peace, generation after generation.
      And has that ever been any different anywhere that despots and idiologues have rambled??
      Or where populations have exploded?
      Modern ‘developers’ with their political allies do much the same thing – the trick is make the people believe it’s for the betterment of the society as a whole, of course, and to have people thinking that society in general is more important than the individual. Better to pave over farmland to house the growing masses, than restrict births or immigration. We’re all in this together … and ‘we’ is more important than ‘I’ … that sort of thing.
      ‘New’ palestinians born in a city will not have the same feeling for acreage that the farmer does … and obviously stupid Israelis burning 100-year-old olive trees don’t either. City people think everything grows in a plastic box or a tin can, anyway. Desolate cement landscapes with high walls threading through them seem perfectly fine and normal. People worship ancient stone walls and black rocks, and now cement ugliness becomes something to fight over as well.
      (Why ‘society’ doesn’t put solar collectors on the glass towers is beyond me … simply looking out a window to see another glass tower can’t be pleasurable.) 
      The farmer would have lost the land anyway, no matter who was ‘in control’ of it. The masses will overwhelm it.

    • nagy_michael2

      Well Hannibal I agree with you on several points except it was Hamas who has been bombarding israel first. whether the leader killed was more restraints or not.. it really doesn’t make a difference to Israel since he has been involved in planning attacks against israel. I agree Israel uses any execuse to bomb Hamas, but why give it such reasons. To me if the Palestinians had followed more peacefull means to achieve their goals, I am sure the US and Europe would have more sympathy toward them and help them achieve more lands back. But when Israel give them land then they turn around and attack Israel, do you expect the world to give them any attentions? look what they have done in Jordan and lebanon. everywhere they went they tried to cause problems. If it would not be for them, we would not have all these armed militias and war in the first place. Besides all the money goes out to their leaders instead of the populations period. we have seen the places and cars the PLO officials lived and drove.. we have seen the hundreds of dollars stashed away in Europe in their bank accounts. if they don’t care about their own people, so why should we.. why should the world care if they keep screwing themselves.. After all the latest war is only Iran pushing for it and Hezbollah using them too. Their leaders are bastard to saying that Iran really care about their cause and being honest in helping them. yah i help you with arms and money and you do as they tell you. This is the second time iran has pushed into war with israel.. they keep fighting and bring more misery to their own people. I really wish actually they would leave Lebanon and go to Palestine. having said that I hate israel for not allowing them to do so. we’re not keeping them so israel can have more settlements. screw that.. if hezbollah wants to fight israel then this cause alone is worth the fight.. not some farms that belongs to Syria and the people there reject being part of Lebanon period.

      • Hannibal

        “But when Israel give them land then they turn around and attack Israel” You cannot give anyone land that does not belong to you in the first place… OOPS sorry God gave it to them… 
        As for the Palestinian leaders you are right but aren’t all the politicians alike? Except for Mahatma Ghandi of course…

        • Prophettttt

          I guess we should “thank” a thief if He returned little of what He stole ,and nominate him for Nobel Peace Prize. Liars need good memory.

        • nagy_michael2

          Well I am not saying they gave it to them in a sense that Israel owned it first. but what I am trying is you’re getting your land back, so why are you fighting me from there? if you stop the bus bombing maybe somebody outside of Iran and hezbollah and Syrian regime who are bunch of terrorists that puts you in the same level. Therefore to many no sympathy there. Yes Israel have subjected to long oppression. But where did it take the Palestinians so far? if they have followed more peaceful ways, then israeli population will not even accept this oppression and neither will the west. Also and again what Palestinians tried to do in Jordan and then Lebanon how do you really know what are they doing in palestine? Well arafat got rewarded with nobel prize and hundreds of millions of dollars.. i guess it was ok with everyone then.
          I could careless about Israel and Palestinians and I wish they both leave us alone.

    • Rich

      First of allo, it was Hamas and IJ who started this whole thing, they have been firing rockets at Israel since Israel willingly withdrew it’s entire population out of Gaza.  I mean how stupid do you have to be to shoot rockets at Sderot and the other southern Israeli cities and think you’ll get away with it?  The terrorist organizations that you obviously support Hannibal are nothing but gutless cowards who love to sacrifce women and children in order to get useless yellow journalists like the BBc and Guardian to paint Israel as the aggressor when in fact it is Hamas and all the other terrorist filth who are to blame for all of the misery in the middle east. Besides, you have your own terrorists to deal with namely Hezbollah.  They have destroyed Lebanon at the behest of their masters in Teheran.  It’s ok though Hannibal, go right on bashing Israel and the Jews if it makes you feel better, but if you really want a decent place to live and a mideast free of war, then your government is going to have to accept that Israel is there to stay, and will never be gotten rid of

      • Hannibal

        I do not support the terrorists but the right of the Palestinians to return so we Lebanese rid ourselves of the first problem. Then we Lebanese (not the Iranian Hezbollah) want the farms back so we deprive HezboIran of the excuse for carrying their illegal weapons. If not really man enjoy each others but leave us the heck out of it when the shit hits the fan…

  • Hannibal

    The analysis fails to mention that the whole conflict was started by Israel assassinating Al-Jaabari for the sole reason to further Bibi N.’s ambition to get reelected. As a matter of fact this little Israeli adventure brings nothing to Israel but more extremism. Al-Jaabari was not good to Israel because he threw anyone from his camp in jail who fired random rockets at Israel and contained Hamas. Now that he is out of the way extremists will start firing at random, Israel will play as usual the victim card to milk more resources from the U.S.
    As far as the Iron Dome is concerned, I bet that it is just a fake umbrella. I am certain that Russia, Iran and subsequently Hezbollah will find a way to defeat it. For now they can send many decoy rockets, and there are plenty of those, to confuse the dome right before sending the more precise load. This tit for tat escalation is nothing but a long term strategy for Israel to ethnically cleanse the legitimate people of the land, the Aramaic canaanites Palestinians (see picture: Canaanite Palestinians owner of the land before the world wars), and foster more extremists to create an excuse to continue their agenda.
    What is despicable to me is the lack of military help from the stupid West Bank Palestinian Authority. They stood by watching like the cowards they are. Since when a Palestinian treats another Palestinian as the lesser dog? And Morsi… Do not let me get started with this mongol head power hungry Islamist coward… I guess I will stop right here before I start cursing and yalibnan admins complaining for shooting my mouth off.

    • 5thDrawer

      You are right to state some facts …. there ARE families who have/had held land for aeons and have papers from ancient rulers to show it. Some hold the keys to ancient locks of property that no longer exists. Momentos of past history. They have been sucked into the whirlpool of the politicos and despots of other generations, and various conflagrations they had no control over or desire for. What they simply wanted, I suppose, was to farm in peace, generation after generation.
      And has that ever been any different anywhere that despots and idiologues have rambled??
      Or where populations have exploded?
      Modern ‘developers’ with their political allies do much the same thing – the trick is make the people believe it’s for the betterment of the society as a whole, of course, and to have people thinking that society in general is more important than the individual. Better to pave over farmland to house the growing masses, than restrict births or immigration. We’re all in this together … and ‘we’ is more important than ‘I’ … that sort of thing.
      ‘New’ palestinians born in a city will not have the same feeling for acreage that the farmer does … and obviously stupid Israelis burning 100-year-old olive trees don’t either. City people think everything grows in a plastic box or a tin can, anyway. Desolate cement landscapes with high walls threading through them seem perfectly fine and normal. People worship ancient stone walls and black rocks, and now cement ugliness becomes something to fight over as well.
      (Why ‘society’ doesn’t put solar collectors on the glass towers is beyond me … simply looking out a window to see another glass tower can’t be pleasurable.) 
      The farmer would have lost the land anyway, no matter who was ‘in control’ of it. The masses will overwhelm it.

    • nagy_michael2

      Well Hannibal I agree with you on several points except it was Hamas who has been bombarding israel first. whether the leader killed was more restraints or not.. it really doesn’t make a difference to Israel since he has been involved in planning attacks against israel. I agree Israel uses any execuse to bomb Hamas, but why give it such reasons. To me if the Palestinians had followed more peacefull means to achieve their goals, I am sure the US and Europe would have more sympathy toward them and help them achieve more lands back. But when Israel give them land then they turn around and attack Israel, do you expect the world to give them any attentions? look what they have done in Jordan and lebanon. everywhere they went they tried to cause problems. If it would not be for them, we would not have all these armed militias and war in the first place. Besides all the money goes out to their leaders instead of the populations period. we have seen the places and cars the PLO officials lived and drove.. we have seen the hundreds of dollars stashed away in Europe in their bank accounts. if they don’t care about their own people, so why should we.. why should the world care if they keep screwing themselves.. After all the latest war is only Iran pushing for it and Hezbollah using them too. Their leaders are bastard to saying that Iran really care about their cause and being honest in helping them. yah i help you with arms and money and you do as they tell you. This is the second time iran has pushed into war with israel.. they keep fighting and bring more misery to their own people. I really wish actually they would leave Lebanon and go to Palestine. having said that I hate israel for not allowing them to do so. we’re not keeping them so israel can have more settlements. screw that.. if hezbollah wants to fight israel then this cause alone is worth the fight.. not some farms that belongs to Syria and the people there reject being part of Lebanon period.

      • Hannibal

        “But when Israel give them land then they turn around and attack Israel” You cannot give anyone land that does not belong to you in the first place… OOPS sorry God gave it to them… 
        As for the Palestinian leaders you are right but aren’t all the politicians alike? Except for Mahatma Ghandi of course…

        • Prophettttt

          I guess we should “thank” a thief if He returned little of what He stole ,and nominate him for noble peace prize. Liars need good memory.

        • nagy_michael2

          Well I am not saying they gave it to them in a sense that Israel owned it first. but what I am trying is you’re getting your land back, so why are you fighting me from there? if you stop the bus bombing maybe somebody outside of Iran and hezbollah and Syrian regime who are bunch of terrorists that puts you in the same level. Therefore to many no sympathy there. Yes Israel have subjected to long oppression. But where did it take the Palestinians so far? if they have followed more peaceful ways, then israeli population will not even accept this oppression and neither will the west. Also and again what Palestinians tried to do in Jordan and then Lebanon how do you really know what are they doing in palestine? Well arafat got rewarded with nobel prize and hundreds of millions of dollars.. i guess it was ok with everyone then.
          I could careless about Israel and Palestinians and I wish they both leave us alone.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rich.modler Rich Modler

      First of allo, it was Hamas and IJ who started this whole thing, they have been firing rockets at Israel since Israel willingly withdrew it’s entire population out of Gaza.  I mean how stupid do you have to be to shoot rockets at Sderot and the other southern Israeli cities and think you’ll get away with it?  The terrorist organizations that you obviously support Hannibal are nothing but gutless cowards who love to sacrifce women and children in order to get useless yellow journalists like the BBc and Guardian to paint Israel as the aggressor when in fact it is Hamas and all the other terrorist filth who are to blame for all of the misery in the middle east. Besides, you have your own terrorists to deal with namely Hezbollah.  They have destroyed Lebanon at the behest of their masters in Teheran.  It’s ok though Hannibal, go right on bashing Israel and the Jews if it makes you feel better, but if you really want a decent place to live and a mideast free of war, then your government is going to have to accept that Israel is there to stay, and will never be gotten rid of

      • Hannibal

        I do not support the terrorists but the right of the Palestinians to return so we Lebanese rid ourselves of the first problem. Then we Lebanese (not the Iranian Hezbollah) want the farms back so we deprive HezboIran of the excuse for carrying their illegal weapons. If not really man enjoy each others but leave us the heck out of it when the shit hits the fan…

  • Hannibal

    @Prophettttt:disqus It is called the Nobel prize… humbly

    • nagy_michael2

      To me the palestinians and Israelis are same blood and they both deserve each other period.

      • Hannibal

        I am glad you re-edited your previous text… Because you do know that although I do not take side to any political party I do take the side of Lebanese Nationalism… One Lebanon, One Army formula.

  • Hannibal

    @Prophettttt:disqus It is called the Nobel prize… humbly

    • nagy_michael2

      And yes we should reward nassrallah and his gangs for killing hariri and many others and lately wissam al hassan. oh yah there is no proof its Hezbollah or Syria as usual. But they hide communication information and hide suspects when it comes to interrugation by lebanese gov’t not Tribunal.. Israel should be rewarded for killing all M14 leaders and followers.. Hezbollah so far have caught so many israelis for killing those leaders.. you guys are hypocrites and forgot how the palestinians caused lebanon decades of griefs and destructions. they you guys turned it on Christians that it was their faults.. you guys stood by and slaughtered us and when we asked for israeli help we were called traitors. but its okay to have Syria killing and destroying Lebanon for 30 years and afterward we never called an enemy state.. so its ok for a brotherly country to kill my own brother because they’re next to us. even until today you still sympathsize with such brutal syrian regime. they did nothing that helped lebanon other than helped Hezbollah which favors you just fine. hide your intentions all you like but its very obvious which devil you can side with..

      • Hannibal

        I am glad you re-edited your previous text… Because you do know that although I do not take side to any political party I do take the side of Lebanese Nationalism… One Lebanon, One Army formula.

  • nagy_michael2

    Prohetttt! So we should reward nassrallah and his gangs for killing hariri and many others and lately wissam al hassan. oh yah there is no proof its Hezbollah or Syria as usual. But they hide communication information and hide suspects when it comes to interrugation by lebanese gov’t not Tribunal.. Israel should be rewarded for killing all M14 leaders and followers.. Hezbollah so far have caught so many israelis for killing those leaders.. you guys are hypocrites and forgot how the palestinians caused lebanon decades of griefs and destructions. they you guys turned it on Christians that it was their faults.. you guys stood by and slaughtered us and when we asked for israeli help we were called traitors. but its okay to have Syria killing and destroying Lebanon for 30 years and afterward we never called an enemy state.. so its ok for a brotherly country to kill my own brother because they’re next to us. even until today you still sympathsize with such brutal syrian regime. they did nothing that helped lebanon other than helped Hezbollah which favors you just fine. hide your intentions all you like but its very obvious which devil you can side with..

    • Hannibal

      It is well known that the Syrian regime is the culprit… The executioners though can be many… Yes it could be Hezbollah, but SSNPs are capable, they killed Bashir… Also, Christians like Samaha an ex-Phalangist was caught red handed as well… When Bashoura is removed, the heart of the snake is no more, and the rest will be torn apart… Iran the head will be next and the tail will dry up.
      That being said Lebanese should never let down their guard… Enemies are plenty… Most are cavities from within Lebanon weakening the state as we speak. Nation building takes a selfless man with vision like Ataturk of Turkey or Abraham Lincoln of the U.S.A. 

  • nagy_michael2

    Prohetttt! So we should reward nassrallah and his gangs for killing hariri and many others and lately wissam al hassan. oh yah there is no proof its Hezbollah or Syria as usual. But they hide communication information and hide suspects when it comes to interrugation by lebanese gov’t not Tribunal.. Israel should be rewarded for killing all M14 leaders and followers.. Hezbollah so far have caught so many israelis for killing those leaders.. you guys are hypocrites and forgot how the palestinians caused lebanon decades of griefs and destructions. they you guys turned it on Christians that it was their faults.. you guys stood by and slaughtered us and when we asked for israeli help we were called traitors. but its okay to have Syria killing and destroying Lebanon for 30 years and afterward we never called an enemy state.. so its ok for a brotherly country to kill my own brother because they’re next to us. even until today you still sympathsize with such brutal syrian regime. they did nothing that helped lebanon other than helped Hezbollah which favors you just fine. hide your intentions all you like but its very obvious which devil you can side with..

    • Hannibal

      It is well known that the Syrian regime is the culprit… The executioners though can be many… Yes it could be Hezbollah, but SSNPs are capable, they killed Bashir… Also, Christians like Samaha an ex-Phalangist was caught red handed as well… When Bashoura is removed, the heart of the snake is no more, and the rest will be torn apart… Iran the head will be next and the tail will dry up.
      That being said Lebanese should never let down their guard… Enemies are plenty… Most are cavities from within Lebanon weakening the state as we speak. Nation building takes a selfless man with vision like Ataturk of Turkey or Abraham Lincoln of the U.S.A.