Clinton popular vote lead over Trump now exceeds 1.7 Million and still growing


eectoral-college-popular-voteThe presidential election is over. Or is it?

Two weeks after Election Day, Donald Trump is assembling his Cabinet while votes in many states are still being counted. Hillary Clinton’s lead in the popular vote continues to grow. Michigan’s 16 electoral votes remain up for grabs.

And so the question: How confident can Americans be in the results announced in the wee hours of Nov. 9, given the problems that continue to beset our election system? Here are some answers:

Question: Who won the electoral vote?

Answer: As of today, Trump has 290 votes to Clinton’s 232, with Michigan outstanding. Even if Clinton wins there – a possibility despite Trump’s lead since election night – she still would trail, 290-248.

Among other states where the vote was close, only Florida could flip the election. But she trails there and in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by too many votes to trigger an automatic recount.

Q: Who won the popular vote?

A: Clinton’s lead of about 1.7 million votes continues to increase, largely due to an influx of absentee and provisional ballots still being counted in California. She has about 63.7 million votes to Trump’s 62 million; her margin in California alone is about 3.5 million.

Q: Where are votes still being counted?

A: Most states have yet to report officials results, meaning they are still counting absentee or mail ballots or, more likely, deciding whether to count provisional ballots. Those often are cast by voters whose names did not appear on registration lists, or who may have voted in the wrong place or lacked proper identification.

Q: Why does it take so long?

A: Millions of ballots come in at the last second — or, in states that allow it, several days after the election with the proper postmarks. It takes money, manpower and accurate voting machines to get every vote counted correctly.

“We vastly underfund the way in which we run our elections,” says Michael McDonald, a University of Florida associate professor who maintains a web site on the electoral system. “The bottom line is that you want to get the count right.”

Q: How close are the two candidates in key battleground states?

A: Three thousand votes are all that separate Clinton and Trump in New Hampshire. The margin is about 12,000 in Michigan, 27,000 in Wisconsin, 68,000 in Pennsylvania and 113,000 in Florida — close, but nothing compared to the 537 votes that separated George W. Bush and Al Gore in Florida 16 years ago.

Q: Can the votes be recounted?

A: Several states, including Pennsylvania and Florida, require the vote difference between the two candidates to be less than one-half of 1 percentage point. In Michigan, a recount is triggered automatically if the margin is less than 2,000 votes. None of those states are close enough at the moment.

Q: Is it possible that provisional and absentee voting results vary significantly from Election Day?

A: Yes, but it’s unlikely. Despite changes in voting laws in some states that civil rights groups claim unfairly restrict minorities, the poor and elderly, provisional votes that are accepted usually don’t alter the results.

“The chances of changing tens of thousands of votes? That’s just not going to happen,” says Hans von Spakovsky, a former Federal Election Commission member now at the conservative Heritage Foundation.

Q: What’s the deal in California?

A: It’s the largest state, with some of the most permissive voting procedures. More than half the state’s votes are cast by absentee ballot, since no excuses are necessary to avoid going to a polling place on Election Day. Provisional ballots are treated more leniently than in many other states, requiring time to correct mistakes that otherwise would cause votes to be rejected.

Q: So when will the results be official?

A: Eight states have certified their results; another four are due to do so Tuesday. Nearly all will complete their counts by Dec. 13, in time for the Dec. 19 meeting of the Electoral College — the 538 individuals who, usually without exception, vote according to the results in each state. In some states, the final count may come even later.





7 responses to “Clinton popular vote lead over Trump now exceeds 1.7 Million and still growing”

  1. 5thDrawer Avatar

    Stand the world on it’s ears for this ‘system’ ?? Really ?? No wonder people march in the streets – citizens don’t understand it either.

    1. That’s why you live in Canada 🙂

      But it would make more sense if the Electoral Votes were not winner take all, but proportional to the votes ℅age per state.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        The day before Trump-Day, P.E.I. went ‘proportional’ (drowned out by US-News) .. and we’re working on the others … but I sure hope it doesn’t evolve like that ‘college’ bit.

        1. P.E.I. ???? You must be kidding, pal. That tiny pesky (although admittedly rather picturesque) island? With a population of a Beiruti suburb? With a 36% participation rate, despite the availability of internet and phone voting? With rather dubious results? Wouldn’t pin my hopes on that one, mate. 🙂

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Down-East conservative folks with Fathers of Confederations memories …. like Boston?
            But Best Potatoes for the chips.

      2. Not sure if it would substantially change the outcome. The small States would still be over-represented.

    2. This is a very strange system of election. It sounds like democracy but end up in selecting a candidate. At the end of the count it is presumed that Hilary will be about 2 million vote ahead of Trump but She is still not the president. Its painful for her naturally.

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