Palestinians have lost hope, sudden uptick in violence in Israel, West Bank shows

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An Israeli soldier shot a Palestinian man, who was suspected in a knife attack in the head as he lies injured on the street in Hebron in the occupied West Bank. soldier who shot and killed a wounded Palestinian assailant . The soldier went on trial on manslaughter charges on May 9, 2016 in a rare case that focuses on allegations of excessive use of force in confronting Palestinian attacks.
An Israeli soldier shot a Palestinian man, who was suspected in a knife attack in the head as he lies injured on the street in Hebron in the occupied West Bank.  . The soldier who shot and killed the wounded Palestinian assailant went on trial on manslaughter charges on May 9, 2016 in a rare case that focuses on allegations of excessive use of force in confronting Palestinian attacks.

A 13-year-old Palestinian girl approaches an Israeli checkpoint and is shot in the legs when she refuses to stop. A 16-year-old Palestinian boy tries to stab Israeli soldiers at a different checkpoint, and is immediately shot and killed. A Jordanian holding a kitchen knife in each hand and shouting “Allah Akhbar” (God is great) attempts to stab Israeli police officers. He is also shot and killed.

These and other incidents over the last week show a sudden uptick in violence in Israel and the West Bank. Six Palestinians – who Israelis say carried out attacks or attempted to – have been killed, plus the Jordanian. At least six Israelis — civilians and security forces — have been injured. One of the officers is in critical condition in a Jerusalem hospital.

The attacks follow a roughly four-month lull in the violence that started almost a year ago. Throughout the spring and summer, there were only a handful of violent incidents, though there were some deaths on both sides.

When the violence began last fall, the stabbings, shootings and car-ramming attacks occurred almost daily. Since Oct. 1, 2015, 36 Israelis, as well as two American citizens and an Eritrean, and more than 230 Palestinians have been killed.

Israelis are calling it the “knife intifada.”

They say it is not organized by a terror group, as in the past, but is spurred by incitement in the mainstream and social media, copycat attacks, personal distress or maybe the desire to be a martyr or die a hero for the Palestinian cause.

Palestinians say the attacks are a natural reaction to a situation of hopelessness fostered by the growth of Israeli settlements on land they hope for a future state, a rightward shift in government policies, and their own ineffective Palestinian leadership.

“It is like an accumulation of water in a glass; each drop adds to the water, and eventually it spills over,” said Diana Buttu, a Palestinian analyst who was once involved in peace negotiations. “There is no progress. The Israeli army is present all the time, and there is no hope for change. The Palestinian people are just fed up.”

Speaking at the United Nations General Assembly in New York on Thursday, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said there was “no way to defeat terrorism and extremism and achieve security and stability in our region without ending the Israeli occupation.”

An hour later, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded that it was the Palestinian leadership that was filling its young people with hatred and hopelessness by celebrating the actions of those who have killed Israelis and for refusing to reach a peace deal.

“I call on President Abbas: You have a choice to make. You can continue to stoke hatred, as you did today, or you can finally confront hatred and work with me to establish peace between our two peoples,” Netanyahu said.

Israeli soldier Elor Azaria, who was caught on video shooting a wounded Palestinian assailant in the head as he lay on the ground, sits during a hearing at a military appeals court in Tel Aviv during which he was charged with manslaughter. (JACK GUEZ/AFP/GETTY IMAGES)
Israeli soldier Elor Azaria, who was caught on video shooting a wounded Palestinian assailant in the head as he lay on the ground, sits during a hearing at a military appeals court in Tel Aviv during which he was charged with manslaughter. (JACK GUEZ/AFP/GETTY IMAGES)

Moshe Maoz, a professor emeritus in Islamic and Middle Eastern studies at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said the violence is a product of the strife in Israel. “Netanyahu likens what is happening here to the global terrorism threat, but it is different,” he said. “It is a nationalistic issue and a very important one. It is a situation that is unique to the area.”
Maoz called the lull in violence over the summer months “superficial.”

“The Israeli occupation has gone on for 50 years without a break,” he said. “Palestinians say they don’t have anything to lose. They have no hope. It is a deadlock, and they don’t see any future.”

The incident involving the Palestinian girl occurred Wednesday morning. She approached an Israeli military checkpoint and was shot in the legs after refusing to stop. Unarmed, the girl told investigators she had “come here to die.”

A day earlier, a Palestinian boy tried to stab soldiers at another checkpoint. The youth, who was killed, was a relative of another young Palestinian, who in July stabbed and killed a 13-year-old Israeli girl as slept in her bed in the nearby Israeli settlement of Kiryat Arba.

The renewed violence began on Friday, when a Jordanian national tried to stab Israeli police officers stationed at Jerusalem’s Damascus Gate. He was shot dead. Later that day, two Palestinians – a man and woman said to be cousins – rammed their car into a bus stop. After wounding three Israeli civilians, the man was killed and the woman injured.

Also on Friday, a knife-wielding Palestinian was shot by soldiers in Hebron. Another attack took place in the same area on Saturday. The assailant was also shot and killed.

Sunday, a Palestinian tried to enter the Israeli settlement of Efrat. He stabbed and lightly wounded an Israeli police officer before being arrested.

On Monday, a Palestinian man was killed after stabbing two Israeli police officers, seriously wounding one. She remains hospitalized.

“The (stabbing) phenomena is unexplainable but as long as there is an occupation these actions will continue,” said Ayman Daragmeh, a representative of Hamas on the Palestinian Legislative Council.

“These are attacks of individuals, people have lost hope in their leadership and as long as there are no political solutions this will continue,” he said.

Qadura Farres, head of the Palestinian Prisoner’s Society also pointed to a certain hopelessness driving the attacks.

“All the policies of the Israeli occupation and the settlement activities have shut down hope for the Palestinians to establish a state and have pushed them towards confrontation with Israel,” he said.

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314 responses to “Palestinians have lost hope, sudden uptick in violence in Israel, West Bank shows”

  1. Time for new Palestinian leadership.

    1. MekensehParty Avatar
      MekensehParty

      nope, time for a new and useless confrontation
      It’s been a while 😉

      1. Sad to say that your “time for a new and useless confrontation” is unfortunately, all too probable.

      2. At least we got through the summer in peace.. a refreshing change.

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Peace?

          2. Ils parlent comme si c’étaient eux les victimes. Le comble du comble.

          3. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Je peux pas croire. Israel never stopped killing, demolishing, grabbing Palestinian land, building settlements, bombing Gaza, all summer.

          4. Exactly! Absolutely mind blogging how they play the victims while endlessly committing the worst atrocities. There must be some kind of demential indoctrination at a young age so them to grow up that way.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          (old song ….”….., In my little corner of the world.” )
          My bedroom was ok too … quite peaceful.

    2. You must be joking, Mahmoud Abbas is elected for life, unless opponents will overthrow him….

      1. 99.99% of it is a joke. That .01% is a last glimmer of hope that somehow, someone could convince the PaliArabs that any wish for Israel’s demise is lost and that building their country based on a business model to benefit their own people is a better course. Then again a third intifada is probably around the corner.

  2. Abass has been invited to the Knesset. Here’s his speech:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

  3. We’re sorry to hear they lost hope yet at the same time we’re happy there is a chance they finally get to the point they understand that they can never win.
    When that happens,they’ll find us waiting at the table.

    1. You parasites came from Europe, Eastern Europe and ROW to steal their lands, kick them out of the houses they’ve lived in for centuries, displaced them and have been oppressing the rest in a prison-like corner and you still have the audacity to put the blame on them. It’s beyond belief. No reason, no logic, no rational thinking can explain your decadence.

      The worst is that ‘Jewish’ bankers in Europe were behind Hitler, Nazism and WW1/WW2. I look forward to WW3 when the same bankers decide that Muslims and Jews in the Middle East will annihilate each other to extinction. I’ll have a giant bucket of popcorn.

      1. Actually Omi,it was the arab world which adored and welcomed Hitler..wicked minds think alike.after all,”main Kampf” is a best seller among the low lives.
        Second, arabs deported my family from Iraq,give me what you stole from me and I might consider your claim that something here belonged to you in some point in the past.
        Third, West Bank was sized from Jordan ,not a make believe nation,if the Jordanian want it back we can talk.
        Fourth, you guys started it, you always do…
        Fifth, we’re sitting at the table waiting for you. you can come and sit or you can start another round after which I’ll be forced to sit here and respond to yet more arabs bitching around how they lost hope for winning yet can’t bring them self to accept they lost :).
        The only way for you to get something is through talking.and you might as well discard your goal of winning everything.

        Shabbat Shalom little one.

        1. On this forum YOU have been accused of originating from the Khazars – the core of today’s Ashkenazi Jews.

          Since your family was deported by arabs from Iraq, it makes you (correct me if I’m wrong) a descendant of Jewish Iraqis, not some Turkic peoples, as the Khazars.

          It become very convenient for the russian empire at the late 19th century (the period of pogroms against jews), to fabricate a theory that the core of today’s Ashkenazi Jews are descended from Khazarian Jewish.

          I view this theory with skepticism, since the Khazars like other Turkic peoples, were pagan Tengrist worshippers.
          The populace of the Khazar Khaganate are known to have been multi-confessional, a mosaic of pagan, Tengrist, Jewish, Christian and Muslim worshippers.

          First at the 8th century, the ruling elite of the Khazars have converted to Judaism.

          Suggestion about the Khazar origins have been made regarding the Bukharan Jews, Slavic Judaising Subbotniks, the Muslim Kumyks, Kazakhs.
          Furthermore the Cossacks (they hate jews…) of the Don region, the Turkic-speaking Krymchaks and their Crimean neighbours the Karaites to the Moldavian Csángós, the Mountain Jews. Thats a lot of ethnic groups.

          Your “Third” is correct, the West Bank was seized from the Jordanian kingdom.
          However I heard a theory that the Jordanian don’t want it back – correct?

          Using your language I say to you Shabbat Shalom.

          1. Thanks and shabat Shalom.
            My family has a documented family tree that goes back to the 15th century and I couldn’t care less about what people say about me on this forum 🙂
            As for Jordan, in the early 1980’s King Hussain gave up on this territory and denounced the locals of Jordanian citizenship. The best the invented people can say is that they are Jordanian,never a nation 🙂
            Jordan will not hear about taking them back though,its one hornet nest they are happy to lose.

          2. Iraqi Jews from Baghdad on my mother side.somewhere in the south from father side.
            Parents met here in Israel.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            So, you are a First Generation.

          4. Half.
            Father was born here.
            Mother was less then a year old when deported.

          5. He can’t be a first generation – his family tree goes back to the 15th century.

            How long is YOUR family tree ?????

          6. That’s not a tree. It’s a plant. -> ????

            Pay attention in ESL Oh Yeah.

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Very nice if one can ‘track’ a family – for some personal reason.
            I rather wish my past-root folks had kept some of the paperwork, or even a papyrus – but it’s been hard to track them all. One of my uncles tried tracking on the one side (back through several marriages with a few connections, and a trail that finally stopped somewhere in an old churchyard … digging furthur wouldn’t have helped. It is of some interest, in the sense of how people move around on a planet, of course.
            I have one pic of the great-great grandmother on another the ‘side’ – who beat all the ‘historical odds’ and lived to 104, mostly just talking to herself and crying as my mother related it. Seems like 8 generations in Canada with that one for my grandchildren to try to dig up from 3X6 plots over the 3000 miles they ranged in … mists of time by word-of-mouth histories. Can’t say making historical documents was their preference of things to keep them busy in daily lives – not even that 3X6 plot they own in the end. In one family only, a pile of modern-type B&W pictures … someone should have written a name on the back on occasion … might have helped with a ‘spread-sheet’.
            I probably wouldn’t have ‘gotten along’ with most of them anyway. (maybe the 104-yr-old who smoked a corn-cob pipe … but she understood she had been basically alone for 40 years or so anyway.)
            Most of the ‘Digitals’ of today will probably suffer a ‘password failure’ or a hard-drive crash … kids and selfies are not really that interesting, except noting how ageing or self-damage changes humans
            I can find some interest in what I know, but it’s not going to make me ‘go back’ and kill some asshole who’s great-great eliminated a ‘trace’ I probably couldn’t even converse with sensibly, beyond a 3X6 hole of bones they left as a legacy.
            I suppose, in that sense, a huge ‘rift’ between East & West thought-lines. 😉

          8. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I can’t castigate a friend in Lebanon for wanting to ‘off’ someone because assholes burned her collected whole histories, however. It was quite ‘personal’.

          9. How is it “very nice”? Other than confirming that he and his family have no ties to Palestine and the stolen lands they live on.

          10. The best the invented people

            The Palestinians have lived on those lands for centuries. Your parents are Iraqis who moved from Iraq to Palestine. What ties did your family have to the land? Who is the imposter here?

            I can only imagine the deep indoctrination you guys go through from childhood in Israel – everything is based on absolutely lies and propaganda. Mind boggling.

          11. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Right … ‘Thats a lot of ethnic groups.’ And in all history back the apes, they are still trying to smash each other’s bones, when they’re not finding something to trade for food. :-))

          12. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Oh Yeah, go back..

          13. It become very convenient for the russian empire at the late 19th century (the period of pogroms against jews), to fabricate a theory that the core of today’s Ashkenazi Jews are descended from Khazarian Jewish.

            No matter how you try to divert and deflect, Khazars’ conversion to Judaism is an historical fact. Fact that bothers Jews since it contradicts many of their fallacies.

            The only fabricated theory is the pogroms against Jews – all so conveniently put on the table by Jewish historians.

            Read the following to see for yourself …

            Part 1: Russia’s Jewish Question – Revisiting the 19th-Century Russian Pogroms
            http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/05/revisiting-the-19th-century-russian-pogroms-part-1-russias-jewish-question/

            Part 2: Inventing Atrocities Myth and the Russian Pogroms
            http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/05/myth-and-the-russian-pogroms-part-2-inventing-atrocities/

        2. Actually Omi,it was the arab world which adored and welcomed Hitler..wicked minds think alike.

          The Arab world did not adore and/or welcome Hitler. That is nothing but propaganda orchestrated by the bankers who created Israel. The meeting between the Palestinian Muslim leader (Grand Mufti) and Hitler was no coincidence and one of the many variables needed to fit in the creation of Israel.

          after all,”main Kampf” is a best seller among the low lives.

          Hitler did not even write “Mein Kampt”. It was entirely based on the democratic ideals, reality and geo-political views of Halford Mackinder and transferred by Karl Haushofer to Hitler during his frequent visits to jail. You need to educate yourself in regards to who Hitler was: a British stooge who was in complete admiration of Britain – no lone wolf.

          Second, arabs deported my family from Iraq,give me what you stole from me and I might consider your claim that something here belonged to you in some point in the past.

          How do you justify what happened to you and your family in repeating it to others who had nothing to do with it? I read in another comment of yours that your parents are Jews from Iraq and you have a family tree that dates back to the 15th century. Why were Jews kicked out from Iraq and other Arab countries after living there for centuries? It means one thing: that Jews, Muslims and Christians co-lived before the illegitimate creation of Israel. You need to question more.

          Third, West Bank was sized from Jordan ,not a make believe nation,if the Jordanian want it back we can talk.

          True. Jordan was/is also complicit with Israel on many regards.

          Fourth, you guys started it, you always do…

          Spoken like an child.

          Fifth, we’re sitting at the table waiting for you. you can come and sit or you can start another round after which I’ll be forced to sit here and respond to yet more arabs bitching around how they lost hope for winning yet can’t bring them self to accept they lost :).

          Don’t hold your breath, or do. This is not my fight. To me, this is not about the Palestinians, it’s about morality and fairness. When I see someone in distress, I go help. When I see injustice, I call it out. I would voice myself the very same way if they were Buddhist Japanese, Muslim Chinese or Christian Mexicans.

          The only way for you to get something is through talking.and you might as well discard your goal of winning everything.

          True but you conveniently (or ignorantly) omit the fact that the Likud has been playing a double game for decades: pretending to want peace while continuously annexing more lands, illegally.

          1. No one, it’s not “tit for tat” it’s more like,you guys took everything from middle East Jews,practicly forced us to israel.forced into refugees camps that we transformed into a great country.
            And now you want me to pack and leave again?so another arab can grab what I built? Lol you got to be a mad man to think that…and there you are :))
            Sometimes I wonder how many Jews would actually leave to israel if they were not forced to,have you thought about that?

          2. Drop the “you” and “I”. This isn’t about you or me.

            I have no clue what you’re talking about. Up until 1948, Jews co-lived with Muslims and Christians in the Middle East. One of my grandmother’s closest friend was Jewish Lebanese. I was told by that she and the rest of her family packed and left to Israel overnight never to be seen again.

            Who told you to pack and leave? This is about giving what belongs to the Palestinians.

            Bingo, you said it: how many would have gone to Israel if they were not forced to. You seriously need to educate yourself on who was behind WW2. It was done so to create the hostile environment against the Jews so that they migrate to Palestine. Similar false-flags happened in the Middle East served the same purpose.

          3. Again point is…forced to leave..
            And now you want to force us to leave again.

          4. It was the ‘Jewish’ London bankers who created the hostile environment against the Jews during WW2 in order to force them to migrate to Palestine. You guys came and stole the Palestinians’ lands, it’s normal they want you out. Get a clue.

          5. Give me proofs, validations to support your claim so I can point to the inaccuracies in your version please.

          6. How can you point to inaccuracies with proofs, validations? Isn’t the point of a proof and validation just that: the lack of inaccuracies? Is that Israeli arrogance – negating despite facts and that, beforehand?

            The proofs, validations are not embodied in an all-in-one piece. You have to read and analyze several books. Some of them: Anthony Sutton’s work depicts the role of London bankers in financing Bolshevism and Communism in Tsar-Russia and the Soviet Union. Nicolai Starikov shows how the same London bankers took ownership/control of the economies of England, the USA and then the world. Manual Sarkisyanz’s research proves the role the Anglo-Saxon banking elite played in helping Hitler and the Third Reich and their objectives with WW2 (migrating Jews to Palestine in creating the hostile environment in Germany/Europe and having Germany fight a war with the Soviet Union). Etc.

            Jews and non-Jews are the thesis and anti-thesis of a Hegelian dialectic where a small group of wealthy bankers at the top (the instigators of the dialectic) continue enriching themselves (synthesis) while we fight each other. There is a reason why there is so much disinformation. Should the world find out who the real culprits are, they won’t have enough resources to pay reparations.

          7. You’re stalling and evading little One, proofs or begone.

          8. little One

            Israelis arrogance kicking in again.

            I stayed on-topic and gave you sources. I am not here to hold your hand and guide your through. Educate yourself.

          9. ROFL !!!
            I write little omi but autocorrect changes it to one :)) and yes, you are dancing around a tough subject to take little om, here is a summery for our dedicated followers:
            I stated Abbas does not want peace and supported evidence, you agreed.
            Then I asked who is there in the arab side to talk peace with?
            Who among Pl leadership today has an interest of peace?
            Your reply was a pulling typical “offended arab” display which really does not answer the question I asked.
            Answer the question or begone,you really serve no other purpose to me then unearthing truth and if you can’t help with that then you really are good for nothing.
            By little one..(oops, it happened again :))

          10. Centuries-long of inbreeding shows its toll with you. The topic was WW2. Why did you jump back to Abbas? Didn’t you write “stalling and evading” in a previous comment?

            I never agreed that Abbas doesn’t want Peace; I said he’s a double agent. I also said Palestinian leaders are corrupt, self-centered, greedy and as a result the Palestinian people do not have a leader to represent them. The process is flawed to begin with.

          11. Lol..inbreeding is the number one cause for infertility among arabs…Iranian as well.. 😉
            I made the post,i asked the question,you dance around.
            The question I asked you before the prom night: who can israel can talk to and can vouch for peace?
            If you got no answer then you understand why there will not be peace any time soon.

          12. You seem an expert on inbreeding. There again, you are an Arab yourself.

            I answered your question. You pretend I didn’t.

          13. “Arab countries had no intention of cleansing Jews.”…..
            source: Omega.

          14. Fourth, yep. It’s really you

          15. Likud party comment.
            Before Likud and Bibi, Olmert was prime minister.
            Olmert offered Abbas 93% of initial demands and Abbas refused..
            In a leaked document it turns Olmert even offerned small part of Israel.
            Abbas turned it down…
            Now if Abbas really wanted a state for his people,why did he reject the deal?
            If he is about doing the right thing and take care of the people,why did he reject the deal?
            To me it means one thing and one thing only, he rejected it cause a pali state is just a means to an end, another step in the war against the Jews ,meaning the palis don’t want peace and therefore there will never be one.
            It seems I’m not the only Israeli that got the message since next election Likud took over and it still is.

          16. That is true and certainly a valid point for any Israeli.

            However, Abbas is a double agent who has betrayed the Palestinian people and their cause for decades. I don’t know why/how the Palestinians have not discovered the traitor he is and why he’s kept as their representative. I am guessing the Palestinian people are clueless about who Abbas is: a ex-KGB agent who has always supported the Israelis cause over the Palestinian. His public and international speeches in favor of Palestine are nothing but smoke and mirrors.

            Abbas opposed Israeli war crimes report in private, according to leaks
            http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/mahmoud-abbas-opposed-goldstone-report-private-according-leaks-79978325

            Report: Mahmoud Abbas was a KGB agent
            http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4851895,00.html

            Norman Finkelstein said the following in an interview …

            TF: If there’s no peace process how can Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority (PA) sustain itself as a political movement?

            NF: Because it suits American and Israeli interests. There’s no real desire, no urgent desire, to resolve the conflict. Mahmoud Abbas is an imbecile; he always was. During his intellectual peak he wrote a dissertation saying the Nazi holocaust didn’t happen. They (the PA) all get to be VIPS. They all get to be quoted in the New York Times. What incentive do they have to end the occupation? They’re doing just fine.

            http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/peace-or-palestinian-surrender-interview-norman-finkelstein-1768836682

          17. So you tell me , in regards to what you wrote: who am I supposed to trust to speak for the invented people?
            Is it Abbas and PLO that did nothing for 20 years but stealing donation money from their people?
            Or Hammas that declare destruction of Israel as it’s primary goal?
            Or if those two had served their time and you believe it’s time for new leadership to emerge ,then the radical Sunni movement “hizb a tahrir” and their black flags are very popular it seems, perhaps I’ll try my luck with IS sympathisers?

            Do you see where I’m going here?
            There is no one that can
            1: claim he wants peace ,not the corrupt PLO nor the radical Sunni Hamas.
            2. Even if one of them decide he wants peace, he can’t vouch that the other organization will follow its lead.

            I said it before and I’ll say it again and again and again: palis need to prove to us, beyond doubt,that they want peace before we consider it.
            The time for free gifts ended years ago.

          18. You can repeat the “invented people” as long as you want – they’ve been there for centuries. All of them still hold the keys and deeds to their houses. Furthermore, in ancient time, Palestine was known as Philistia. You are descendants of Iraqi Arabs. Others in Israel are from Russia, Romania, Germany, etc. None, of the 90%+ who came from outside to Palestine/Israel can prove any lineage to the original tribes. You are the invented people, not them.

            The fact that the Palestinian people’s representatives/leaders are corrupt does not mean the Jews who came from outside Palestine/Israel are right to be there and are innocent of what they did. The Palestinian people have been played by everyone and that is their demise.

            A psychopath is someone who does wrong but does not know it’s wrong. A sociopath is someone who does wrong and know it’s wrong. You and the vast majority of Israelis are sociopaths. You have been doing wrong for decades and continue acting like you are the victims – absolutely mind boggling. You can continue blaming the Palestinians but should you ever grow the slightest conscious one day, you might realize that you and the Jews who came from outside are the cause of the current issue. Israel can get rid of Hamas, it just does not want to – in order to legitimize its crimes and continue annexing more Palestinian lands.

            On a side note, I wonder why the ones who created Israel want all the Jews of the world to be there. Will it be reminiscent of WW2?

          19. The term Palestinians was invented in the 60,the arabs here today have nothing in common with ancient pleshet.
            The plishtim lived in coastal area,the place you call Palestine is actually judeah , the anciant land of the Hebrew people.
            Till 67 this land was under Jordanian governor and no one claimed to be a nation.
            These are facts,palastin is fiction.

          20. Do you, your family or anyone who came from outside Palestine/Israel have any ties to the ancient land of the Hebrew people? No. You are not entitled to the land more than the inhabitants who have lived on it for centuries. You are descendant of Iraqis. Talk about fiction, the words Jew and Judaism are modern inventions.

          21. I do hope Doron, that your major is NOT history for the sake of your students… 😉 Actually what do you really do for living? 😀
            The Jews revolted against the Romans in 132-135 AD. The Roman emperor Hadrian was so pissed at their “terrorism activities” against Rome and not embracing Pax Romana and punished them by renaming Judea as Palastina after their ancient enemies the Philistines to fuc|< with them 😛
            Regardless, the land's inhabitants during those days were a mix of jews and canaanites Arameans (starting to embrace Christianity and among them a lot of Jewish converts) until the Byzantine Christians dominated the entire Levant the province was still called Palastina. Islam and your cousins the Arabs came out of their peninsula only recently and conquered the Levant which was mostly a Syriac and Hellenized land with some Jewish presence. The Syriac Christians and Jews had been there since pre-Roman times, and a lot embraced Christianity until the Muslim invasion after Mohamed's death in the 600's when they (muslim Arabs) persecuted everybody that is not them (like ISIS today 😉 ). The name Palestine as a province of Syria stayed as such since the 100's until today. The land's name was Judea before Christ it became Palestine right after. That is about 2000 years of Palestine so let's not deny it. 😛

          22. If he’s a teacher, that’s exactly what they (Israelis) want: fabrications, lies, distortions, fallacies and fairytales to fit the Zionist agenda and propaganda. Nothing else matters. Don’t tell them they come from the Arabian Peninsula and that the original Jews were Arabs themselves – they don’t like it.

          23. I don’t get it, you claim there was a Palestinian state somewhere in the past? 🙂
            The rest of what you wrote is kind of true but the Palestinian state is of course wrong.
            Give me a Palestinian king, a Palestinian war, a major event, a name of a minister, a proof to connect the people to the name to the land.how did that nation disapeard ?
            You got nothing cause there was no Palestinian state…it’s all in the history books,you just need to want to know history.

          24. Then that goes for the entire Middle East. All those carved up countries were either Egyptian vassals, Hittite, Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Roman, Arab, Ottoman… as provinces. Israel as a tiny kingdom emerged in the 9th century BC then conquered by the Assyrians and never existed again. The invention of Israel is a modern phenomenon which goes alongside the invention of a Jewish people as much as you and your people have the urge to belong somewhere and we all do. I love my country Lebanon (from a distance 😉 The dream of some Lebanese is to belong in a past long gone where they want to belong to Phoenicia (which incidentally stretched from Ugarit and Ebla (where the word Yahweh was carved up in Phoenician Alphabet) to south of Dor in current days Israel. So as much as I love my country I am not going to lay the claim to ancient Phoenicia because I will have to demand from “Balfour” northern Israel and probably Sicily, Malta, and modern day Tunisia, the home of Carthage. 😉
            Lebanon’s people today (minus the refugees and the maids) are a mix of Europeans (Greeks, Romans, Byzantine, and Crusaders), Arabs, and Canaanite Syriacs. It is in their DNA and there is enough scientific and historical evidence to prove it. The struggle for an identity still remains in modern day Lebanon and I find it stupid because every sect tries to eliminate the other using the history and in fact their argument is, how should I put it? Byzantine 😉
            That goes for Israel. Frankly, I do not see a reason why (a la Lebanon) Israel and Palestine cannot be a one country under one flag that represents all ethnicities and all sects. However, you and I know that there is too much hatred and mistrust for that to happen. To have a viable Palestinian state (as I doubt it will ever be viable in its fragmented state) an Israel/Palestine federation a la Switzerland may work. You each keep a canton flag and culture and language under one unifying flag with a white cross on a blue background… 😉 What do you say?

          25. You have a fundamental error Hannibal.
            at the start of your post and it affects your view of history.
            The Hebrew kingdom was carved into 2 different kingdoms after king Solomon’s death. One was named Israel and the other judeah. Israel was lost to and it’s people expelled by the babilinions, not the asirians.
            The kingdom of judeah survived till the Persians took it , occupied the land and expelled the people.
            Later king csersis overturned it and allowed the Jewish back to the holy Land .this is the second temple.
            Form there on, judeah survived the Greek empire as a vasal nation.
            It’s the Romans that ended judeah.

            Needless to say that in the span of these few centuries ,all other nations/tribes you mentioned, disappeared from the face of the earth and history pages…till the 1960’s when some people decided to annex history and do with it as their own.
            This is history, this is accurate, Palestinian people are not.

            As for the federation idea, it could and might work but not before arabs prove they want peace.
            As long as we got omega’s type as the majority in the arab world I don’t really see a point in rising this issue.
            Arabs need to prove to us they want a true peace first. The way things are…we simply can’t believe it.

          26. Israel was lost to and it’s people expelled by the babilinions, not the asirians.

            Do you attend the same ESL class as Matrix/Oh Yeah? What is “babilinions” and “asirians”?

            The kingdom of judeah survived

            Incorrect. After its conquest, the Northern Kingdom and the 10 tribes in it disappeared.

            What is important is that the northern and southern kingdoms were at least twice subjected to havoc that led to the capture, deportation, and eventual disappearance of the 10 tribes of the northern kingdom of Israel. [1]

            Later king csersis overturned it and allowed the Jewish back to the holy Land .this is the second temple.

            Nothing “Holy” about the land. It was nothing but inheritance.

            Search the word “inheritance” in the same article: [1].

            Needless to say that in the span of these few centuries ,all other nations/tribes you mentioned, disappeared from the face of the earth and history pages…till the 1960’s when some people decided to annex history and do with it as their own. This is history, this is accurate, Palestinian people are not.

            What a load of Zionist crap. Fallacious indoctrination at its finest.

            As long as we got omega’s type as the majority in the arab world I don’t really see a point in rising this issue.

            I am in the minority. The majority is oblivious to what’s going on. Religious fairytales define their reality.

            Arabs need to prove to us they want a true peace first. The way things are…we simply can’t believe it.

            You seem to forget, or rather conveniently ignore that Jews and Muslims come from the same sperm – Ibrahim’s (aka Abraham). Search the word “begat” in the article [1].

            What Arabs? Arabs is a group of people. You are an Arab yourself, a descendant of Iraqis. The Palestinians have nothing to prove as it is the Israelis who have been committing the crimes. They are getting away with it because IsraHell was created by wealthy bankers who run the central banks of this world. If they spared Jews in WW2, I wonder what is their plan in regrouping as many Jews as possible in one place in the Middle East.

            [1]: https://sites.google.com/site/levitedna/origins-of-r1a1a-ashkenazi-levites/2014-klyosov-article-on-jewish-dna-genealogy

          27. I can understand your “I love my country Lebanon (from a distance ;)”, but the question remains https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7ada5f1c94690ce0cf140acfbe9738ed82b9be630789211476a3c00484dfd4d2.png

            what those ROYAL KINGDOM OF GREATER SYRIA doing at the same place?

          28. Beautiful map…

          29. They’re Greek.

          30. We’ve been through this before you and I. Do we really have to go again through all the differences between provincia palistina and invented palistine

          31. The PaliArabs elected Abass.

          32. Where did/do you read me write otherwise?

          33. Never insinuated you did.

          34. Hilarious drivel. Sorry, pal, life is too short to read it in full. But the “Hitler didn’t write ‘Mein Kampt’” bit is priceless. 🙂

          35. Educate yourself.

    2. They can win if they become united. Until then keep feeding their discord.

      1. They were united under Nasser through the 60’s ..the national pan Arabia otopyia .
        Syria,Iraq,egypt and Jordan had a state of the art modern armies at the time and even had all their armies placed under a single command…we all know how it ended for them.

        1. A couple of village dwelling yellow banner wielding lesser weapons kicked ass in 2016. Times have changed from an Ottoman suppressed mentality to a different caliber warrior. We all know how it ended for you 😉

          1. One small victory in comparison to hundreds of failures simply adds to the lost hope.

          2. The lost of hope is a direct result Israeli’s decades-long oppression. I’d like to see you cornered by force for 50+ years without rights, freedom, proper food/medication/water, etc. You, too, would blow.

          3. The Arabs lost.

          4. The “Arabs” did not lose. The Palestinians people did.

          5. They are Arabs.

          6. Yes they are but the “Arab” terminology is very broad.

            Arab = a member of a Semitic people, originally from the Arabian peninsula and neighboring territories, inhabiting much of the Middle East and North Africa.

            It comes to no surprise that you don’t recognize/acknowledge the Palestinian people, the invented people you support don’t either.

          7. Boring, the Arabs lost and left the PaliArabs to go on to more fruitful enterprises.

          8. And another diversion.

          9. Arabs are a diversion because the terminology is very broad, how quaint.

          10. Jordanians are Arabs. Nobody refers them as “Arabs” but Jordanians. Same for Iraqis, Egyptians, etc.

          11. That’s nice, they are still Arabs.

          12. Thanks for confirming to be an idiot.

          13. 5thDrawer Avatar

            (4000 years of practice, and still never made perfect. Few ‘smarts’ there. ;-))))

          14. So are the Arab Jews Arabs? You racist pig…

          15. Yup, practicing Judaism.

          16. So if a Jew and an Arab were born of the same father but different mothers they are both Arabs… And therefore all the Jews are Arabs practicing Judaism?

          17. Hind Abyad Avatar

            You’re still a cretin.

          18. Of course every normal person refers to them as Arabs. Just as the Arabs themselves do, whether normal or not.

          19. Arabs don’t call themselves Arab. They say Egyptian, Jordanian, etc.

            The same way Asians don’t refer to themselves as Asian. They say Chinese, Korean, etc.

            You big fvcking idiot.

          20. That’s why they call it the Arab League instead of the Algerian, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania,Morocco, Oman, State of Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syrian Opposition, Tunisia, UAE and Yemen League.

          21. A league is a collection of people/countries. When Italians, Belgians, French, etc joined the European Union, are they now referred to as Europeans? No, they are still Italians, Belgians, French, etc.

            You make zero sense.

          22. Arabs make up the Arab League. Italians, Germans etc make up the EU.

          23. You’re particularly intelligent today.

            The point is this:

            When you ask an Italian, French, Belgian, Spanish, etc what he/she is -> he/she says ” Italian, French, Belgian, Spanish, etc”, not “European”.

            When you ask an Egyptian, Moroccan, Jordanian, Libyan, etc what he/she is -> he/she says “Egyptian, Moroccan, Jordanian, Libyan, etc”, not “Arab”.

          24. Your patronizing as usual is unwelcomed. Europe is made up of a variety of people through the centuries that has condensed to the countries of today. I was station in Germany in the early seventies and they was no EU. They were independent. Arabs settled the ME and when convenient are all Arabs.

          25. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Do you read?
            “When you ask an Egyptian, Moroccan, Jordanian, Libyan, etc what he/she is -> he/she says “Egyptian, Moroccan, Jordanian, Libyan, etc”, not “Arab”.

          26. That’s nice, but they are Arabs. What is so wrong with that?

          27. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Read again idiot.

          28. Are they not Arabs?

          29. Hind Abyad Avatar

            “When you ask an Egyptian, Moroccan, Jordanian, Libyan, etc what he/she is -> he/she says “Egyptian, Moroccan, Jordanian, Libyan, etc”, not “Arab”.

          30. Your patronizing as usual is unwelcomed.

            You’re confusing patronizing with satire.

            Europe is made up of a variety of people through the centuries that has condensed to the countries of today.

            Okay?

            I was station in Germany in the early seventies and they was no EU. They were independent.

            Okay?

            Arabs settled the ME and when convenient are all Arabs.

            Arabs are from the ME.

          31. Your point?

          32. Hind Abyad Avatar

            ME Semites only 20% of the World’s Moslems.

          33. man-o-war Avatar

            It’s yet another way to deny the existence of Palestinians. Like true bigots they think all Arabs are the same and they should absorb the Palestinians refugees they created. They don’t understand that Lebanese have a unique society with their own traditions. Even within Lebanon there are stark differences from city to city, and village to village.

          34. “Like true bigots they think all Arabs are the same…”
            Well, aren’t they quite similar, pal? In my admittedly very non-Arab eyes there’s not really that much difference in how they look, talk and – most importantly – think. 🙂
            In any case, it’s mildly amusing (although perfectly understandable) that nowadays Arab “Resisters” seem to be ashamed of – and insulted by – being called Arabs. I hope Nasser’s rotten corpse is spinning in its grave. 🙂

          35. man-o-war Avatar

            Nothing wrong with being called an Arab you ignorant buffoon. You simply show how uneducated you are on the topic when you say things like, ” In my admittedly very non-Arab eyes there’s not really that much difference in how they look, talk and – most importantly – think”. Not the case at all, no matter how much your bigoted brain tries to convince you otherwise. How can you be so uninformed on the subject matter you hate so much?

          36. I know more about Arabs and their way of thinking than you and your feeble-minded Resister brothers-and-sisters-in-idiocy can be expected to learn in your/their lifetimes, pal. Which is why I mildly enjoy fuckin’ with your – and your buddies’ – totally predictable Arab heads.
            By the way, how calling Arabs “Arabs” equals hating them, is a mystery to my “bigoted brain”. Well, you probably got to be an Arab to figure that one out. 🙂

          37. In the words of Emperor Joseph II in Amadeus: “Well, there it is.”

            The hasbara-sayanim clown has spoken again.

          38. I wonder what a “hasbara-sayanim clown” might actually mean. Is it a clown who gets invited to sayanim children’s parties and performs hasbara routines in front of them? Are there silly shoes and baloons involved?

          39. You tell me.

          40. man-o-war Avatar

            You know jack shit about Arabs, you’ve already made it crystal clear with your idiotic “there’s not really that much difference in how they look, talk and – most importantly – think.” Jackassery at its finest.

          41. I’m flattered that you’re impressed by the finesse of my comment, but rest assured, pal, it was never meant to be anything but as blunt as possible. 🙂

            Aas to your assertion that I “know jack shit about Arabs”, I beg to differ. In fact, I’m afraid I probably know way too much about them. And it’s definitely one of those cases when ignorance is bliss. Sadly, given the state of the world, it’s also a luxury civilized people simply cannot afford. 🙂

          42. Precisely.

          43. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Liars have zero logic.

          44. man-o-war Avatar

            What in the hell are you talking about? Should the UN be called United States, France, Germany, China, Russia…………league?

          45. Hind Abyad Avatar

            It’s disgusting racist Nazi language, not “diversion”

          46. Nazis were quite fond of Palestinian Arabs, and vice versa, so what’s the problem with them and their language?

          47. and you’re an idiot…

          48. Of course they did, you dumb retard. That’s what has been driving them (you) nuts for decades: the shame and humiliation of failing to kill and ethnically cleanse those pesky Jooz. The Great Arab Nation of morons, losers and whiners.

          49. Arab countries had no intention of cleansing Jews. The Muslim-Jewish problem started with the illegitimate creation of IsraHell – which let’s be frank, would have never happened had it not been for the UK and the USA. Quit acting like persecuted Jews from Europe did it all alone. IsraHell is by and for the bankers who created it.

          50. 5thDrawer Avatar

            i fail to see any ‘victory’ in a humanity which feels the need of locking itself inside walls as a ‘one-tribe-entitiy’ and isolating itself into a ‘one-product’ producer … seemingly since it’s time began in the 1800’s … when it’s original concept was to describe only how Time began, and leave a few simple ‘rules’ from a God.
            But then, I could note how it failed in that too.

          51. Humanity has built walls, both literally and figuratively, around itself for millenniums for various reasons with various degrees of success.

          52. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Kept out Lions, perhaps …. but not usually peaceful Elephants when they got a rage on.

          53. First, you talk about 2006.
            Second:
            Destroyed south Lebanon while our infrastructure was mostly intact and what damaged was repaired in no time.
            200 dead Israelis vs god knows how many lebanies.
            Most importantly, 10 years of quiet.
            Your comment is a perfect example of arab mind- glorify the price they extract from the enemy so much (insignificant as it may be)and never pause to ask what are the gains from war and what price they have to pay for it themselves.

            In after thought, I’m sure 2006 helped contribute the realization we need missile defence for short and medium range.hello iron dome.

          54. Thank you for correcting my typo. The victory was 3 folds but before I tell you what the group achieved remember that is a very meek organization despite the numbers and the fanfare and how they portray themselves. They fought with their hearts the same way the Israelis fought with theirs at the inception of their country.
            Now to the topic at hand and the victories:
            1. Psychological: They elevated the morale of a nation (despite the fact that they have a lot of work before they really become one) and proved that the mightiest armies can be broken or robbed of their will to go on fighting despite the losses. Remember Bush begging for more and the Israelis begging to stop the war?
            2. Stopped Israelis from waltzing in and out of Lebanon at will which was the norm before. As a matter of fact no serious incursions by sea, land or air happened since then.
            3. At least at the time rallied most people around them and being a shiite organization that was amazing that the Sunni world stood behind them.
            At the end everyone loses during a war. I have no problem with Israel really despite the fact of the wrongdoing by the West and the Zionists against a people. I say, that is the past, and generations were born in that land since. My problem is one, stop the bullshit and agree on a decent two viable states solution. Agree on a lasting peace solution and not a truce. A truce will be broken. If your religious book is right, at least as a history book, the people you are fighting are your cousins not the Westerners you align yourselves with who burnt you in ovens and persecuted you for centuries. Wake up and smell the roses. Thank you for listening.

          55. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes …. small beginnings … lots of hopes. Work is required to achieve a dream.
            A relatively small band of people work at it. I think the ‘apathy’ for living, which they describe happening among Palestine Peoples, hit Lebanese too.
            After all, ‘Greens’ gathered once, unsettled the ‘tops’, then didn’t get any huge ‘follow-through’ with a concept. How many million show up to demand female ‘equality’ in law?
            I note with some surprise, that sometimes Nastyrallah even comes out with sensible statements about ‘state-work’ – although he fails to disconnect them from that verbocity of the ‘belief’ systems, which simply ties everyone in a knot.
            Knots pulled too tightly are very difficult to undo – and sometimes we just cut them off if connected to an anchor which won’t allow the ship to move.
            And this ‘ship of state’ sure needs to move – although it’s been anchored to the folks next door on east and south – far too long. One could hope the rope frays now. The sea is open – for now, at least.

          56. 5th you damn philosopher… I really do hope to see the day women get that equality not because it is the right thing to achieve but only to get you to stop raising the topic in every discussion… relentlessly… 😛 Chapeau 😉

          57. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Merci. :-))

          58. I appreciate your honest comment and agree with most of it.
            Few corrections though..

            Israel ended it’s occupation in 2000 since then there were no invasion.
            Info gathering mission happened before and after 2006 and still do today so Lebanon isn’t really better now then it was before the war.

            Psychological efect- it ended within a month or so, when the damage Hezo sustained became apparent. In retrospect,this war did old nasty more damage then I believed possible.
            we were shocked by two factors: the aggression itself and lack of a plan and equipment ,both are fixed by now

            As for Hezbollah’s growing population ,it went up in smoke in 08 I believe when they set out in force to take Beirut so it was really an artificial short lived gain.

            As for having peace with my cousins: do me a favour, as one cousin to another, talk to our mutual cousins and ask them how they feel about recognizing israel and if there was or will ever be a time they aknolage our right for a Jewish state.
            One can make peace with an enemy as long as the enemy wants peace too.i wrote here on multiple times: it’s time for the arabs to prove they want peace.the time for free gifts ended with the second ithifada.

            Thanks for reading my post, I value your opinion and consider you a sane level headed voice . A refreshing contrast to the blind finish haters here.

            Cheers.
            Doron.

        2. Pan-Arabism didn’t held long, and everyone knows why.
          Now we (not only the Jewish people) are confronted with a new “Pan”, Pan-Islamism that already shows cracks and despite it, it is lethal för the whole world (the muslim world too).

          This time it isn’t under a single command…

          1. Pan-Islamism has been funded and supported by the West (Britain) for decades.

          2. The Islamic banking system has been depleted of funds for decades and have no power within the ME…….riiiiiiiiight.

          3. Educate yourself on the relationship between Britain and the Muslim Brotherhood.

          4. And the fact that England declared the MB a terrorist group somehow relates to the banking system of the Arab countries in the ME. Do you racquetball?

          5. And the fact that England declared the MB a terrorist group

            Bwahahaha. You gullible fool.

            The Muslim Brotherhood: The Many Faces of Their Majesty’s Service
            http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2013/4031mb_hms.html

          6. And that relates to the Islamic banking system……..how?

          7. I posted an article in my previous comment, did you bother reading it? It will answer your question.

          8. No. You answer the question.

          9. I know you didn’t, it was rhetorical.

            I answered your question:

            The Muslim Brotherhood: The Many Faces of Their Majesty’s Service
            http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2013/4031mb_hms.html

          10. My request wasn’t rhetorical. Answer the question.

          11. I answered.

          12. Of course you did, nothing of any consequence or anything that relates. A coward taking the cowards way out. Quite typical of you.

          13. How original of you to call me ‘coward’ when you have a long, proven record of cowardliness that I have called you out for many times. Keeping grudges is not good.

          14. Actually it is original. Now anything about the Islamic banking system?

          15. Let me guess: I’ll answer and you’ll end with a dumb comment and walk away?

          16. Still waiting.

          17. I hope you’re holding your breath?

          18. So no answer, typical.

          19. Typical? You know very well that I have always answered questions.

            How many times have I called you out for never answering questions?

            Have some honor for once in your life and quit lying.

          20. Name one, can’t seem to remember. I’ve played racquetball.

          21. Dozens of instances where you always ask never answer. Quit playing dumb.

          22. Where?

          23. At the top of K2.

          24. Hind Abyad Avatar

            You ow him nothing!

          25. I know. I was pointing at his ‘modus operandi’.

          26. Don’t seem to remember anything that I owe Omega or you.

          27. Don’t seem to be walking away, but you are babbling away.

          28. I answered and supported my answer.

          29. Where? You never answered, just posed an historical piece. Not an answer and not supported.

          30. You diverted from the get-go and never asked a question relating to the topic to being with. Go back and read, it’s right there. Your first question was “Do you racquetball?”

          31. Which topic?

          32. Fibonacci’s sequence.

          33. zzzzzzzzzz

          34. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Really VERY interesting, liberalized thought, isn’t it? 😉

          35. Hind Abyad Avatar

            He will always give orders, no answers, when tiered it’s… Zzzzzz.. like Cook2half

          36. Voilà.

          37. Cook2half gave you a good bashing on occasion. Just remember sweetheart I have bashed your lies several times and will continue to do so. You should try reading the articles you post and determine their validity a little more often.

          38. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Crook was a Zionazi like you

          39. You should play racquetball. Just like the game has 4 walls, a floor and ceiling to play, you bounce off in so many directions. You would be good a racquetball.

          40. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Pan-Wahhabism you mean…

          41. Yes. Thanks for the correction.

          42. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Let me give the exact copy of Rudy- Y K- Matrix- Oh Yeah-
            Meet Nadim in video Cross Talk Syria.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7UqJ7cwWUg

          43. Then why do they call their united organization the Arab League?

          44. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Was Arab League, now its Wahhabi League, leagued with Israel .

          45. Real world now Hind, not your interpretation.

          46. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Real world Nadim..

          47. You have a great deal of bitterness against Saudi Arabia. All the Saudis did was being a little smarter and a helluva lot more politically savvy.

          48. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Fat illiterate desert Bedouins no culture, lived in tents.
            In WW1 British helped al Saoud conquer Arabia, for oil deals with
            British Petroleum-Standard Oil-Rothshilde became biggest traitors
            to all ARABS.

          49. The Brits found oil in Iran as well. Where would they be without the Brits. Tsk tsk.

          50. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Who were the ‘Brits’. Rothschild Zionists & Britain. Tsk tsk.

          51. 5thDrawer Avatar

            hehehehehe

          52. Why does a person so desperately trying to look worldly and wise almost inevitably ends up looking – and sounding – like a common retard? Quite the conundrum. 🙂

          53. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Why does Cyprus look like an abstractionist’s guitar? (only God knows… )
            Why does that map only show Israeli drillings? Here’s some stuff from Cyprus.
            http://www.cyprusprofile.com/en/sectors/energy-and-environment
            And their maps showing all the others … making Israel look smaller. (Tiny)
            https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=cyprus+oil+and+gas+map&fr=aaplw&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-YVGZbB9eVVc%2FUR5BPmePenI%2FAAAAAAAAAoo%2FCsxAqaIP1sI%2Fs1600%2Fsouth%2Beast%2Bmed%2Boil%2Band%2Bgas%2Bfields.jpeg#id=-1&iurl=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-YVGZbB9eVVc%2FUR5BPmePenI%2FAAAAAAAAAoo%2FCsxAqaIP1sI%2Fs1600%2Fsouth%2Beast%2Bmed%2Boil%2Band%2Bgas%2Bfields.jpeg&action=click
            And then, Lebanon has potential … of course … but you 2 idiot-countries stand on the shore and argue about the tiny angle of difference when looking out to sea, and while there’s lots of other spots to drill a hole within ‘Leviathan’, while it turns out to not be the largest of areas in the Med. for supplies. (Do you stay out of UN Water-Zones? )
            https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Lebanon+oil+and+gas+map&fr=aaplw&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fyalibnan.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F02%2Foil-gas-map-lebanon.jpg#id=7&iurl=https%3A%2F%2Fyalibnan.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F02%2Foil-gas-map-lebanon.jpg&action=click
            Cyprus is doing a better job of ‘getting it together’ for the benefit of all who live there, even if the Turks stole a part of it from the Greeks a short time ago.
            SO where is the largest conundrum of ‘retards’ situated ??? Must be somewhere in maps. Dork.

          54. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And by the way … after you messed up your beaches, and the neighbour’s, Cyprus is WAY ahead on that ‘tourist’ concept. Don’t even need armed guards to visit them.

          55. I’ve been called many things before, but “dork”? “Dork”, Carl! Now that’s offensive. 🙂

          56. The Balfour Agreement was in 1917. The oil and natgas in the Levant basin was assessed in 2010.

          57. 5thDrawer Avatar

            But folks were by that time imagining how to extract oil from anywhere.
            Pollution an ignored by-product, of course.
            http://aoghs.org/offshore-history/offshore-oil-history/

            One has to say that neither drillers or receivers of pollutants enjoys a ‘leak’. It’s simply a different perspective … one sees a loss of the possible ‘production profit’, and the other sees the effects of the loss.

          58. It took the Saudis and Kuwaitis until the late thirties, Turks and Iraqis mid twenties. Trying to stretch the Rothschilds, oil and Balfour into one mix is another form of pollution.

          59. 5thDrawer Avatar

            You’re the one who punched up historical dating – I simply gave a real history note of ‘human progress’ in the field of endeavours to screw up the Garden of Eden, while grabbing all the profits under one hand. When other folks read some notes on it doesn’t matter to me.

          60. Hind is the one who tried to tie in 2010 with 1917 and of course her favorite family. Your historical note was simply a weak justification and another round of your environmental stance.

            BTW, nice edit after the fact.

          61. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Sorry I was born enjoying the environment.

          62. Ironic he was born in Camden, NJ.

          63. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Found a better place to walk to. 😉 Didn’t have to worry about ‘border security’.

          64. it’s the Zionist thing because he walked north. I’m sure that those from Detroit to Enniskillen were so very concerned about the ME.

          65. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Point is, they were not. Point is, if folks worked and paid taxes, Canadians liked them, generally speaking. The notes on the Nitro Production are interesting, of course, but ‘Bigger Business’ showed it decided to let Chinese handle it mostly, to open the mountains to railroads, and they were accepted eventually too … even in what became more realistically ‘Western’ Canada. Real history is so very interesting, isn’t it? ;-)))

          66. Flying off on another tangent.

          67. 5thDrawer Avatar

            We noticed some walked back too … taking Baseball, Football, and Basketball with them – along with a few other things.

          68. Were they Zionist or not?

            I’ll do this just for you. I’ll take my Canadian silver dollar collection (meager at best) and place it some where on display so all may see. I do like the “Goose”.

          69. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Up to ’67, in weight now, they are worth around $20. Sort them carefully. 😉

          70. The coins are 80% silver and your $$$ are Canadian.

          71. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I got the $20 before you devalued our dollar. 😉

          72. Is that new math? Silver is 19.40 American per ounce. 80%of $19.40.

          73. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Up to 67 ours were pure. Real. That sort of thing. (helps to be older sometimes ..;-))

          74. Sorry, they were sterling silver.

          75. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Not my problem if you devalued all base metals … recently.

          76. I or the US didn’t make your coins.

          77. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And I figure it’s a damn good thing. :-)))))
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_silver

          78. Is Canadian silver and copper inferior?

          79. 5thDrawer Avatar

            When we used them, we didn’t think so … but they wore down fast … Until Brian Baloney came up with Looney’s and Twoneys, and fancy designs. Collectors only collect for that, of course. I have 5 real pounds (not troy) of pennies in real copper … DO NOT take those to a bank. :-))))

          80. Canadians invented ice. Wow, I didn’t know that. Now I know who to blame for icy roads.

          81. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I didn’t say ‘invented’.

          82. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Kuwait first contact with the West was between 1775 and 1779, when the British-operated Persian Gulf-Aleppo Mail

          83. That’s nice and the first Amish were actually Swiss Anabaptists.

          84. Hind Abyad Avatar

            “The oil and natgas in the Levant basin was assessed in 2010″….
            Long before Balfour “Agreement” (smiles) French Rothschild family in 1891 was shipping the oil from the Caucasus through the Suez Canal to Hong Kong and the Dutch East Indies. At the same time Royal Dutch Oil was exploiting far eastern oil and eventually Samuel’s Shell Oil (the Zionist who worked on Balfour declaration), and the Rothschild joined the company to become the powerhouse known as Royal Dutch/Shell.

          85. From which country?

          86. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Balfour was for Levant Palestine

          87. Did Balfour have the oil in the Caucasus?

          88. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Did your sister have 3 eyes?

          89. Then you don’t know do you which countries supplied the oil.

            BTW: I don’t have a sister. Interested?

          90. Hind Abyad Avatar

            The sky is green

          91. Are you on LSD again?

          92. zzzzzzzzzzz

          93. Hind Abyad Avatar

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz go to bed

          94. Continue on until morning.

          95. Hind Abyad Avatar

            That’s what you do all day here, Rudiculy.

          96. You’re here.

          97. Hind Abyad Avatar

            You know LSD? That’s the green sky

          98. Tell me more, Lucy in the sky of Diamonds.

          99. And marmalade lakes and looking glass ties.

          100. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Find out

          101. That’s nice, but as usual You don’t answer questions. Like my analogy with racquetball you bounce off four walls, a ceiling and a floor.

          102. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Your brain goes zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ziobrainwash

          103. Still waiting on the country and RDO?

          104. Hind Abyad Avatar

            So lets not talk about oil and gas it mixes up your brain.
            Lets talk about The Balfour Declaration you call The Balfour Agreement.

            “Elizabeth Monroe in Britain’s Moment in the Middle East conceded that to the Jews who went to Palestine, the Declaration signified fulfilment and salvation. But she also notes that to the British the Declaration brought much ill will, and complications that sapped their strength. “Measured by British interests alone,” argued Monroe, “it is one of the greatest mistakes in our imperial history.”[

          105. No, let’s talk about how you connected the Rothschilds, Levant oil fields and the Royal Dutch Oil company.

          106. Hind Abyad Avatar

            In 1917 the British made a client of Ibn Saud, who was told to encourage Arab tribesman to repel the Ottoman Turks from the Persian Gulf Region. That same year the British House of Rothschild pushed through the Balfour Declaration, lending Crown support for a Jewish homeland in Palestine.

          107. And how did the unknown oil and natgas fields discovered in 2010 effect this event?

          108. Hind Abyad Avatar

            You’re talking back to the future?.

          109. Again no answer from you. Just a worthless bias baitch spreading the multitude of lies she is so accustomed to. Pitiful.

          110. 5thDrawer Avatar

            That’s it .. over 200 useless questions … on to another story ….

          111. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Romanian Herbert Louis Samuel (1870-1963) was British polician and diplomat.
            In 1920 he was the first High Commissioner (Governor) of the British Mandate of Palestine and served in that office until 1925. Samuel was the first Jew to govern the historic land of Israel in 2,1000 years.

            Samuel’s father Sir Marcus Sameul was one of the people who started up Shell Oil Company.

          112. And how did all this coincide with the discovery of oil and natgas in 2010.

          113. Still waiting on the country with the oil.

          114. Hind Abyad Avatar

            From England.

            “Of the three wartime pledges, the most curious, and certainly the most controversial was the Balfour Declaration. Here, wrote Arthur Koestler, was one nation promising another nation the land of a third nation. Koestler dismissed the Declaration as an impossible notion, an unnatural graft (..)

          115. Let’s talk about how you connected the Rothschilds, Levant oil fields and the Royal Dutch Oil company.

          116. From which country did this oil come from?

          117. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Call Shell. Good night stupid.

          118. Well stupid, again no answer. You offer so many lies to justify your bias and hatred.

          119. Hind Abyad Avatar

            I think the same of you racist

          120. Still waiting on an answer.

          121. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Not Balfour Agreement, The Balfour Declaration, not the same

            “On November 2, 1917, Arthur Balfour, Britain’s Secretary of State
            for Foreign Affairs, addressed a letter to Lord Rothschild, one of the leaders of the British Jews, as follows:

            I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy which has been submitted to and approved by the Cabinet: His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

            Manipulated by Zionist Herbert Samuel

          122. Who cares? I bet she just likes dropping the Rothschild name in a conversation. In her porridge-like brain, it makes her sound privy to some occult knowledge. 🙂

          123. All “ARABS”?

          124. Hind Abyad Avatar

            All Arabs

          125. man-o-war Avatar

            Because that is the one similarity among all those countries, duh! They all speak Arabic! Why is that so hard to understand?

          126. This Nadim Shehadi is nothing but a court-historian parroting the Western narrative without the slightest rational thinking. No wonder he’s associated with the Chatham House. Look at the way he talks: nothing but incoherent mumbling. He’s a copy-paste of the idiots here.

          127. Hind Abyad Avatar

            The same hasbara parroting on Yalibnan..
            I would like to meet one Zionist that says the truth, any truth, they can’t.

          128. Ottawa is the capital of Canada.

          129. I’m pretty sure not a single Zioniss (or just a non-Zionist normal person, for that matter) would like to meet you. 🙂

          130. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Your right, i see them a lot.

          131. The US didn’t target Syrian Aid Convoy.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f295d2ac876b982a4d71aa331bcb5044e912e177fdc6e80b10455485479953f5.jpg

            RT moderator claiming in “Crosstalk” that Russian, Syrian air forces did not strike UN aid convoy in Aleppo, how they will explain the Russian bomb remains at the remains of the Syrian Red Crescent Aid Convoy?
            It have been confirmed that Russian bomb remains was recovered from Syrian Red Crescent Aid Convoy attack.

          132. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Russian destruction of Turkey Aid Convoy to al Zinki , explosives went off

      2. Bingo. Unity is key and the only way.

        Norman Finkelstein in an interview: I’m not optimistic. I’ve never said this but I’ll say it, I’m not optimistic. I think Palestinians have lost the will to resist. I don’t fault them. People in Gaza now everyone wants to leave. Everyone wants out. In the West Bank it’s every man for himself. There’s no collective will anymore. The Israelis and the Americans succeeded.

        http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/peace-or-palestinian-surrender-interview-norman-finkelstein-1768836682

      3. Dumb Arabs and their even dumber, yet never-ending, dreams of “unity”. Well, for all their dreaming, they never lose sight of what’s really important: killing each other and generally making each other’s lives as miserable as possible.

          1. In order for the Arab world to become united they must first decide by whose standards. Until such time the Arab world will now battle for the ultimate prize. Some should be afraid.

          2. ISIS? or do you prefer Assad style? 😛

          3. Daesh? What does the Arab World prefer?

          4. Most certainly. That is why everything is done to keep the Middle East divided. Now, if the dumb Muslims grow a brain and realized they’ve been played all along by the West.

          5. Sure, pal. Pissing my pants right now. If you, Omega and Dumbyad unite, there will be no stopping you, and Nasrallah will enter Al Quds on a white horse. Unless the horse collapses under the weight of this sack of shit, of course. 🙂

          6. Disrespectful as usual…
            The man you insult wrote the following message to his warriors:

            my dear colleagues:
            i heard your message and it includes glory and faith
            you are like you said the men of God in the battleground
            and the honest word you are and our coming victory
            and you are from the sunny mountains that insolent on whom are insolent
            with you the prisoner of war becomes free and with you the land get its freedom
            with your fist with your anger our homes and honor are preserved
            the builder of civilization you are
            and you are the growth of principles
            and you are immortal like the immortality of the cedar on the top of our mountains
            and youu are the glory of our nation and the leaders
            and our head crowns, and our masters
            I kiss the noble of feet which is honored with honor
            with our land glory it planted so it doesn’t stumble or shake
            with you we`ll change the world and our voice will be heard by fate
            with you we`ll build the prettiest new day
            with you we`ll go on and triumph …

            This is how Nasrallah humbly addressed his soldiers fighting the strongest army in the middle east… While your leaders scrambled to beg Bush for a cease fire.

            So stop your insults and look to yourself and decide if G-D is happy about what you do to your fellow humans. If your country has any decency you would jail that idiot pictured in the article as a lesson that murdering someone in cold blood is crossing the line.
            Thank you for your comments ONLY when they are respectful of others.

          7. “So stop your insults and look to yourself and decide if G-D is happy about what you do to your fellow humans.”
            I have to admit that I don’t do all that much, but on the balance of it I’m pretty harmless. At least most of the time. 🙂
            Are you seriously concerned about Nasrallah’s honor? Well, sorry, pal, but don’t count on me not besmirching it in the future. Even though I kinda like some of your comments. 🙂

          8. You like some of my comments … is a good start.
            Absolutism is not a flavor of mine. We agree on some and we disagree on some but at the end we MUST focus on the “agree”
            We should agree that the soldier’s action MUST NOT go unpunished. His behavior is not human nor jewish…

  4. Normal people who are “without hope” find ways to succeed either by leaving the place they hate or doing well economically (there are Gazan and West Bank wealthy). So we are saying here that these kids are so sad at the idea that Israel is not going to jump into the sea that they have to kill themselves?
    That is sick.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Goes along with the look of bewilderment on the child Elor Azaria’s face …
      ‘No-one told me this could happen … didn’t know there were options.’

    2. How exactly do you expect normal people without hope to succeed by leaving the place when they cannot move a muscle without the approval of the the oppressive, racist, totalitarian Israeli apartheid regime? Most importantly, why would they leave? They have been there for centuries – way before European, Eastern European and ROW Jews were there.

      What is sick is how low Israelis have got. They put Nazis to shame.

      1. Jews were in Algeria since the First Temple and Jews were in Russia for millennia. then they left and found happiness away from their old homelands.
        The fact that you say that Israelis are worse than Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, North Korea, Assad, IS, etc, each of whose body counts are astoundingly higher (to say nothing of Genghis Khan) shows that you are a mental deficient. I give up. You win. Israelis buidling condos in Jerusalem is much worse than Assad torturing 19k people to death in a two year period. Definitely. You win.
        Cheers.

        1. Jews were in Algeria since the First Temple and Jews were in Russia for millennia. then they left and found happiness away from their old homelands.

          They didn’t leave their homeland to find happiness elsewhere. They conquered lands and then lost those lands.

          The fact that you say that Israelis are worse than Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, North Korea, Assad, IS, etc, each of whose body counts are astoundingly higher (to say nothing of Genghis Khan) shows that you are a mental deficient.

          While you continue parroting your fairytales, you might want to know that IsraHell was created by the same people who funded Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and ISIS. The similarities are not coincidental.

          I give up. You win. Israelis buidling condos in Jerusalem is much worse than Assad torturing 19k people to death in a two year period. Definitely. You win.Cheers.

          You come here to “win”? Those Israeli condos are built illegally on stolen lands. I never said Assad was innocent. Drop your bs in trying to make your wrong with someone else’s wrong. You’re a pathetic coward.

        2. Yes, yes, the Palestinians have lost hope that what I have been reading here.

          I decided to check it, if it is so bad as some portrait it to be.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7b77404455e45fc2ee2fb749fbcc05341e9f247281a92c82c3ad5dc0d5f3a4da.jpg
          An Israeli activist for human rights, Kay Wilson recently published pictures taken in the territories of the Palestinian Authority that highlight how the Palestinian elite lives in luxury while ordinary Palestinians live in camps UNRWA refugee suffering and misery.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9abb231b2a4b56e5049c6926d9ed8ce03edec166641a1499c1c4c51d6b9f6923.jpg
          Some Palestinians like Subhi Mustafa work abroad, save up, and return home to build dream homes for themselves and their families. (AFP)

        3. He had been a mental deficient – and more importantly, an Arab Nazi piece of crap – long before he mentioned Pol Pot. Just for the record. 🙂
          P. S. He doesn’t “win”. A pathetic and deeply inferior creature with a totally distorted picture of reality can’t. Nature’s law.

          1. A pathetic and deeply inferior creature

            Already told you but I’ll repeat …

            Superiority complex is usually a direct result of an underlying inferiority complex. Because the person suffers from feelings of inferiority he compensates by moving in the opposite direction which is acting superior.

          2. John Doe Avatar

            That sounds remarkably Hitlerian.

          3. Replying to a two-year old comment sounds remarkably stupid.

          4. John Doe Avatar

            I didn’t realize your name is “Niemals” irl. What even is this absurd troll post?

          5. John Doe Avatar

            Yes, because discussions have some sort of statute of limitations to their validity. Totally. You aren’t just throwing sand because you have nothing to say in defense of how far you crossed the line – something that seems to happen a lot from your particular side of this issue…

        4. According to omega Subhi Mustafa this ‘Jewish vermin’, worked abroad, save up, and return home to build dream homes for himselve and his family.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b981895d2a89ec3e1daf13af6be0cf9f21ff24d5a5a77f6bb7ec6fb202d57db8
          What a condo…, he must have been influenced by Walt Disney. .jpg

          1. Where did I write such thing lying wuss?

          2. where is this?

          3. If you refer to Subhi Mustafa home (It’s 450 square meters in size), then it is located in Al-Mazra’a ash-Sharqiya.

            Al-Mazra’a ash-Sharqiya is a Palestinian town in the Ramallah and al-Bireh Governorate, located 15 kilometers Northeast of Ramallah in the northern West Bank.

          4. Hind Abyad Avatar

            So childish

  5. Jews and non-Jews have been fooled by a small group of degenerate, greedy, immoral bankers for decades. We all fight each other while they continue to enrich themselves.

  6. Hind Abyad Avatar

    Archaeologists find first-ever Philistine cemetery in Israel

    Cemetery in ancient Ashkelon, dating back 2700-3000 years, proves the Philistines came from the Aegean, and that in contrast to the conventional wisdom, they were a peaceful folk.

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/archaeology/1.729879

    1. It is always nice when you can find remains that tell us about the past.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5633518319d5e213297182fb488b0e939914a2e8c2d77b32f2c8d0004e636023.jpg
      However I don’t understand your pointing about the Philistines “in contrast to the conventional wisdom, they were a peaceful folk.”, why shouldn’t they be peaceful?
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ddab17ad24f53879990a16c1c2fa00242358679526bf14d8b5d21268fb716d2f.jpg

      Do you mean that the Philistines are a today’s Palestinians?

      Today the Gaza strip is located in the ancient land of the Philistines.

      1. She doesn’t “mean” anything. She just spouts irrelevant nonsense which reflects (and feeds) her obsession with Jooz and their nefarious plots.

      2. Hind Abyad Avatar

        Matrix- “It is always nice when you can find remains that tell u
        about the past.”

        Greek Herodotus 500 BC the father of history. Book’s ‘ Ancient history’.

        “(..)Of the triremes the number proved to be one thousand two hundred and seven, and these were they who furnished them:–the Phoenicians, together with the Syrians who dwell in Palestine furnished three hundred; and they were equipped thus, that is to say, they had about their heads leathern caps made very nearly in the Hellenic fashion, and they wore corslets of linen, and had shields without rims and javelins. These Phoenicians dwelt in ancient time, as they themselves report, upon the Erythraian Sea, and thence they passed over and dwell in the country along the sea coast of Syria; and this part of Syria and all as far as Egypt is called Palestine.” (Gaza)

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar

            This is a modern map..like Greater Israel.
            Forget it no time for useless Google and Wikipedia owned by Zionist revisionist crap.

          2. Hind Abyad Avatar

            So what? This guy is a blogger on TDS.. pfwhhahaha..
            But Google and Wikipedia owned by Zionist revisionist crap. enough….

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Gotta admit, it’s about the funniest site I’ve seen yet for re-forming a country. :-))

          4. Hind Abyad Avatar

            This site now is pro-Israel pro war pro Saudi, Qatar.
            Yalibnan want Isis to separate them from Syria..
            all articles are Western propaganda, sorry..

          5. Hind Abyad Avatar

            a Jewish student;
            “There was a Jewish plan from some Israeli Universities a few years back to “alter” the writings of Greek historian Herodotus.

            As you can see all of our fellow Jewish posters have called upon some obscure Jewish proof that Herodotus was (are you ready for this? an…………..Anti Semite!)

            If the Israeli Universities teach such crap, then my friends, I refuse to take part in this. Note that it’s totally impossible to alter any of this man’s writings because his “book” is saved (written on cow hive pages) and kept in Athens Greece.
            I urge you to stay away from Colleges and schools that try to manipulate (?) our human history just because of fanaticism”.

      3. 5thDrawer Avatar

        And the top map shows a pack of wanderers in a desert going in circles?

        1. The top map shows 5thDrawer and Omega going in circles.

  7. *** dirty yahudi *** Avatar
    *** dirty yahudi ***

    hihihihi

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