Rifi : Islamic State and Hezbollah are similar


Lebanon Justice Minister Ashraf Rifi said that Shiite party Hezbollah’s links with Iran and the way it deals with other political forces in Lebanon makes it similar to the Islamic State jihadist group , which has set up a “caliphate” across areas of Northern Syria and Iraq in recent months.

“Hezbollah and IS are similar,” Rifi said in an interview on LBC TV on Thursday evening.

“Hezbollah [tries to] eliminate [its rivals.] Its project is Iranian and it wants hegemony over Lebanon. It follows that any group which tries to eliminate its rivals is like IS. ”

Rifi was the general director of the Lebanese Internal Security Forces from 2005 to 2013. He has been serving as minister of justice since 15 February 2014.



151 responses to “Rifi : Islamic State and Hezbollah are similar”

  1. man-o-war Avatar

    Yes, very similar. Except for the beheading people and posting videos of it, the establishing of a caliphate, the destruction of Churches, the persecution of minorities, the kidnapping of women for sex, the forcing of Christians to pay a tax/convert/or die. I’m sure there’s a few more differences, but other than that they’re pretty much the same.

    1. $89733098 Avatar

      Keep defending your hezbsatan terrorists you terrorist sympathizer.

      1. man-o-war Avatar

        I knew you would show up soon. If I’m a terrorist sympathizer than so are you. I merely pointed out a few of their differences, but they are similar in some ways as well.

    2. MekensehParty Avatar

      Hezbollah has blown people in Lebanon and Bulgaria kamen, attacked cities and villages, Lebanese and Syrians, they forced the Christians to convert to Aounism, the Druze to Jumblatism, and forced the sunnis to turn more fanatic… all under the threat of a civil war they have the weapons to win. The methods are different but terrorism is terrorism.

      1. The real lebanese Avatar
        The real lebanese

        Their early stage was very similar if you take a look.

        1. MekensehParty Avatar

          but let’s not go back 35 years ago
          for a good 10 years now they have been terrorizing more Lebanese than Israelis that’s for sure

    3. The real lebanese Avatar
      The real lebanese

      Hezbollah executing Syrian rebels, not IS http://youtu.be/vPNt6CrwMgs

      Nasrallah calling for the establishment of an Islamic caliph under Iran during the civil war http://youtu.be/vACSmlzPzso

      Hezbollah using weapons to steal church grounds to create an ‘office’ http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/18/1890947_lebanon-march-14-lassa-incident-proves-why-hezbollah-arms.html

      Persecution of political opponents, just look at Rafik Harriri, the plot involving Michel Samaha, and shooting down the Lebanese army helicopter holding an army lt back in 2009 i believe it was.

      Hezbollah neighborhoods during the civil war were not good places for women who didnt cover. If you were alive that long ago you should know.

      Christians (and Sunnis) have to pay higher taxes because Hezbollah neighborhoods dont have to through intimidation. You should know this too.

      Any other differences, please let me know.

      1. man-o-war Avatar

        First video, terrible actions. Obviously those guys are not abiding by the geneva conventions, but then again this isn’t a conventional war. Both sides are guilty of executing their captors, both sides being Syrian rebels and Syrian army/HA/Pro-regime forces. However, these guys that were executed according to you were rebel fighters. The guys IS is killing are innocent civilians, for example the James Foley. Not a fighter!

        “Hezbollah neighborhoods during the civil war were not good places for women who didnt cover”, its possible that this was the case. I’m sure Sunni neighborhoods were no better for women that don’t cover. What do you think IS would do to women that don’t cover? What do you think would happen in today in HA area if women don’t cover? Probably not the same experience for these women.

        Lets not bring up the civil war atrocities in Lebanon. There were no innocent groups. The Christian militias, the Shi’ite militias, the Sunni Militias, the commies, the right, they were all doing evil things to each other.

        The Christian militias did horrific things during the war, lets not act like they were not committing war crimes. The Palestinian camps for example. Also the phalangist in the north were notorious for dragging people behind their cars until their heads fell off. Or the Highway of death between Tripoli and Beirut. Where if your ID showed something other than Christian you were executed on the spot and dumped off the cliffs. None of the sides were innocent, they just kept upping the fear factor.

        “Christians (and Sunnis) have to pay higher taxes because Hezbollah neighborhoods dont have to through intimidation”, this is doesn’t even dignify a response. What a joke!

        “Shooting down a Lebanese Army helicopter”, can you link an article to this? I don’t recall what you’re talking about.

        Harriri assassination, well what can I say. Maybe they did maybe they didn’t. If they did than there is one example of how they’re similar, but does IS commit political assassinations? I think their too busy going after the civilian populations.

        1. The real lebanese Avatar
          The real lebanese

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          outl0strokewidth0 strokec2 So let’s execute an injured rebel and take a video for the whole world to see. Remember the many bombs that went off targeting Sunnis in Lebanon during the start of the conflict. You cant say that wasnt to get a retaliation from Sunnis to drag Hezbollah into the conflict. What about Michel Samaha? Or Rafik Harriri? Hezbollah may not take it back to the way things used to be done thousands of years ago, but they still get it done.

          When I refer to Hezbollah neighborhoods im comparing them from when Hezbollah was in ts early stages to the way IS is now (hopefully its end stage). Hezbollah had the same conservative views on women that IS does now. Dont think Hezbollah neighborhoods have been nice when they were the same as the neighborhoods under IS control in Syria.

          Hezbollah stealing church land isnt only from the civil war. The article I showed you is from an incedent this year.

          And now you decide to bring the civil war up.while the Phalangists did drag people behind their cars, those were people who were responsible for one atrocity or the other. Not the best moment i agree. But dont get me started on how the Syrians and Palestinians treated us. In one town they killed all the males except the children, who they cut all there fingers off. As for the highway of death, your statement is bs. That didnt happen often and it supposedly only happened to South Lebanon’s arab army members, which was comprised of Palestinians looking to make their own state after being chased out of Israel. Are you really going to blame Christians for defending Lebanon against Islamic Palestinian militias funded by Syria?

          What you find a joke is the sad reality you would realize if you’ve lived in Lebanon.

          I will link you in a response following this one. Disqus has been giving me problems when i leave the page and come back to type long paragraphs like this.

          The bombs Hezbollah members are accused of kill more than just political opponents. Hezbollah wouldn’t be able to stay a month in Lebanon if they began publicly executing Sunnis in the streets. Ill get you the link to Hezbollah shooting down the helicopter one minute.

          1. man-o-war Avatar

            ” stealing church land isnt only from the civil war. The article I showed you is from an incedent this year.” What article you showed me? One incident doesn’t mean its a widespread problem. Anyway, I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

            You brought up the civil war, not me.
            “those were people who were responsible for one atrocity or the other.” I think its laughable that you think that. They only killed bad guys, OK.

            I never said the Syrians (invited by the Christians) or Palestinians were any better. I actually mentioned how nobody was innocent.

            “As for the highway of death, your statement is bs. That didnt happen often and it supposedly only happened to South Lebanon’s arab army members”,

            I grew up during the war outside of Tripoli, nobody dared go south of Batroun for the longest time. They set up checkpoints and your ID showed the wrong religion you were executed and dumped of the cliff. Later on the they made more gains and we couldn’t go south of Enfeh along the HWY. Lots of innocent men lost their lives along that highway. They weren’t South Lebanon Arab Army members, they were phalangist that manned those checkpoints.

          2. man-o-war Avatar

            I fear we’re getting way off topic, but continue if you must.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            (as usual …)

          4. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            It cant happen widespread, or Hezbollah would lose all its supporters. It only happens when it benifits them greatly.

            I didnt say they only killed bad guys, but the pro Lebanese Christian militias didnt permanently handicap thousands of children, rape Christian women, and torture political opponents (which I have saved in my notes if you would like to see. Very graphic) and ‘lose’ them in Syria’s torture prisons.

            Some were better…. Reasons i listed above. I can elaborate further if you want.

            I know they were Phalangists manning the checkpoints. I said they typically only tried to prevent the SLA from going through the checkpoint. But like i said, when you’re fighting against foreign Islamic militias (as we see all over Syria now sadly) there isnt much room for messing up.

        2. The real lebanese Avatar
          The real lebanese

          http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon_hostage_crisis forgot to mention the Lebanese hostage crisis during Hezbollah’s early days. IS is doing the exact same strategy today. They are very similar regardless of what you think.

          Here is the helicopter link. Those responsible were never arrested. Excuse the numbers in the beginning of my previous post. I left the page for links and discus gave me those :-

          1. man-o-war Avatar

            The article say’s that HA turned in the person responsible.

          2. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            My fault. He was released on bail. How can someone shoot down a helicopter containing an army lt. And be released without insiders working on the release?


        3. 5thDrawer Avatar

          IS (previously ISIS a couple weeks ago) hasn’t time to do ‘politics’ or attack politicians, unless they run across them running away. They do the fast advance and kill anything that doesn’t bow down to them. In the case of Yazidis, burying 500 live women in a hole was just getting rid of trash cheaply in their screwed up minds. Didn’t even light a fire in the hole like Turks did for Armenians. Christians were given 5 days to decide to switch, or pay, or die.
          Hard to compare what IS does, to anyone in history, except maybe some of the ‘Great Khans’ – although even those recognized that some had to be left around to plant food or scrub floors.
          But the Iraqi ‘military’, outnumbering them at least 3 to 1 and with better equipment, just vaporized. Everyone is still scratching their heads about that kind of thinking. ‘OH, well, we didn’t want to fight for Maliki’.
          THAT is a verifiable insanity too.

      2. man-o-war Avatar

        A warning would be nice for some of the squeamish readers.

      3. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
        Maborlz Ez-Hari

        Luhsou teezi him and iran.

    4. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
      Maborlz Ez-Hari

      H.A has come a long way true they may be a whole lot more subtle especially with the smooth talking Hassan in his video exhibitions but as Ashraf Rifi is saying, in reality H.A shares the basic concepts of ISIS. It wants to implement its ways or the highway aproach just as the monkeys are doing in ISIS. Hmmmmmmm, maybe they share the same goals in the end after all.

      1. man-o-war Avatar

        A lot more subtle! As soon as they start forcing Christians or non-Shi’ite to convert I will support any attacks needed to put them down. If they try to establish a caliphate in Lebanon, I will support opposition to destroy them.

        1. MekensehParty Avatar

          So only when they force you to convert will you rise against them? What about your freedoms? The rights to live a peaceful life in your country without a militia taking you to war or blowing politicians on the street all for the sake of someone in Damascus and Iran?
          They’re leaving churches in Lebanon only for the multi-confessional picture, they have all sects roped by the neck since 2008.
          BTW: you have been and are part of the wilayat al faqih for a very long time which is the shia caliphate so if you are true to your words start rising.

          1. man-o-war Avatar

            I agree that they should not act outside of Lebanon unless Lebanon is attacked. It would be nice if we could incorporate them into the military, but we see how the Lebanese military is neutered. Even with the billions of aid given by the Saudis, lol, they will got nothing substantial with that funding. I didn’t agree that they should have gotten involved in Syria, and I still don’t think that was a good move.

            Every time I visit Lebanon its pretty peaceful and life is pretty good in Beirut. Checkout the million dollar yachts lined up on the pier.

            “They’re leaving churches in Lebanon only for the multi-confessional picture, they have all sects roped by the neck since 2008”, I don’t buy this one bit. Why did they only start in 2008? They finally got a long enough rope. I mean it seems they would have been at their weakest during that time, only two years after 2006 war.

          2. man-o-war Avatar

            If we’re living in a “Shia Caliphate” already, than its not too terrible compared to the IS caliphate. I also don’t buy this.

          3. MekensehParty Avatar

            Everything that Lebanon does or say is with their consent and by extension with the consent of Khamenei… Lebanon’s Foreign Policy is dictated by Iran. Lebanon’s security? Iran. Lebanon’s peace or war: Iran again…

          4. man-o-war Avatar

            One could say the same thing about other groups in Lebanon, no?
            HA has foreign support, true. We know that support is never free. Just like the SA donations, all have strings attached. American donations, strings attached.

            Last I checked Lebanon is a power sharing government and not ruled by HA. Do they make sure that the Shi’ite are represented equally, yes. They have a pretty strong alliance with Christians as well. Why would those Christian parties work with them? Fear?

          5. MekensehParty Avatar

            Other groups have constantly voiced their support to the state and its army and have asked Hezbollah as you did to join the army to defend all of Lebanon especially with the region going in flames.
            The other groups supported by foreign powers have been asking for democracy to take its course and have participated in elections and won majorities that were not respected by the power of arms.
            Get money and influence from Iran as a Shia, build Mahdi schools that teach shia and tolerance and open hospitals for the communities if you insist but don’t take the whole country in a deadly hostage situation for your benefactor’s interests.

          6. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            “Last I checked Lebanon is a power sharing government and not ruled by HA.”

            Didnt know boycotting elections to avoid a president you didnt like from taking office legally was power sharing. Enlighten me.

          7. man-o-war Avatar

            Boycotting elections is part of the game. Its happened before in Lebanon.
            They probably fear that a convicted war criminal would get elected as president.

          8. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            It happens when lawmakers dont do their job. Its not legally supposed to happen but there’s no law that can be used against the boycotters. Its definitley not part of the game, and a new law needs to fix it.

            Why is it Geagea was convicted and nobody else was? Compare his crimes to those of Musawi or the Palestinian feyadeen in Beirut. He was released because his court was deemed ‘unjust and politically motivated’. He was the only political Christian threat against Syrian occupation after the Civil War (even Gemayel didnt stand by Lebanese sovereignty like Geagea did at the time). Hes as much of a criminal as Aoun or Nasrallah, so why is it people like you always play that card?

          9. man-o-war Avatar

            People like me? What kind of people are we?

            “Hes as much of a criminal as Aoun or Nasrallah”, Ok, but it doesn’t erase his crimes. Maybe he drew the short straw.

          10. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            People who support a Syrian prescence in Lebanon.

            I must’ve not said it correctly. He is less of a criminal than Aoun or Nasrallah. Look at their crimes.

          11. man-o-war Avatar

            I’m not a supporter of a Syrian presence in Lebanon. They have no business there. They were terrible during the civil war, playing everyone against one another. Almost all of us know someone who spent time in their jails during the war. They were cruel and we don’t need their presence.

          12. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            But how can you call Geagea a criminal but no one else?

          13. man-o-war Avatar

            I didn’t, I said the boycott is to prevent a criminal from taking the presidency. Doesn’t mean he’s the only one. Lebanese politics is full of criminals.

          14. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            So nobody can take office? Who do you want to see be president then?

          15. MekensehParty Avatar

            Stop running for excuses that you can’t believe yourself, that doesn’t even make sense to your own thinking.
            They had plenty of opportunities to pick someone else, and even Geagea himself said: fine, you don’t want me, let’s look for a consensual president and proposed to get out of the race.
            They’re boycotting for the one and only reason that they want Aoun or no one
            Those are their methods, the Mahdi way or NO WAY!!
            You know it, everybody knows it, please stop sugar coating it.

          16. man-o-war Avatar

            He proposed to get out of the race? So, why is he still in the race? I understand you want them to go ahead and elect Geagea, but the boycotters don’t want Geagea. What do you suggest as a solution in your opinion?

            Now there’s an amendment proposal to elect the president through a popular vote. First the Christian community vote in two candidates ( probably would be Geagea and Aoun). Then the voting is opened to the rest of the country. What do you think of that proposal?

            Regarding using the boycott as a tool, it doesn’t always work in your favor. It can backfire against the ones boycotting. The US government was shutdown last year because the Republicans essentially boycotted and refused to participate, all because they hate Obama(care). It will backfire on them in 2016. Right now they’re talking about trying to shut it down again.

          17. man-o-war Avatar

            This amendment proposal (if it passes) could also backfire on them. Geagea could get elected through a popular vote and then they’re screwed. He might get the majority of the Sunni population to vote for him since he’s anti-Syria, anti-Iran, anti-HA.

          18. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Remembering Hezzys only got 2 seats out of 30 last time, it’s a useful idea, yet Aoun only seeks ‘Annointment’. And Hezzy likes squeezing his tiny balls.
            Baabda – never intended as more than a ‘stop shooting’ effort – has ‘rules’ in it.
            They were all supposed to finally come up with a ‘Lebanese’ constitution.
            Maybe even finally stop paying for both a President and a Prime Minister.
            But for the moment, the last set of ‘rules’ apply … which is why they can ‘boycott’ with such insanity. And apparently those rules say they can’t make new ones without a full government.
            So, for now, it’s ‘Catch-22’ and nothing improves.

            Mekenseh talks about the ‘majority’ thing … and WHAT is ‘A Majority’??
            It’s defined differently in the Baabda .. and the numbers are weird.
            Geagea HAS a majority … unless it’s a particular ‘majority’ which is not really a majority – and that description of majority comes from the ancient heads who seemed to have invented arithmetic in the first place, amazingly.

            But even the west has problems defining ‘majority’ these days.
            ONE over the line on either side of the sandpile is not acceptable … there has to be a way to sneak some around the edges to ramble back and forth.

          19. MekensehParty Avatar

            He’s still there because they refused to name a consensual president!!! Stop turning around the point, you KNOW the reason why they’re boycotting, it’s Aoun or no one!!!
            The solution is name Aoun and get whatever number of votes he gets and let the one with the highest number of votes win like in a democracy,
            look for a consensual president (not Aoun not Geagea)
            Do you agree on the proposed 2 solutions?
            As for the amendment proposal it has been refused not only by all political forces (including Aoun’s allies) but also by the religious figure that represents the Christians, namely the patriarch.
            Therefore the amendment will not pass because it requires a majority. That’s strictly from a legal and technical point of view and without going into the sanity of the amendment itself.

          20. man-o-war Avatar

            I agree on the proposed solutions. Is it that they fear if Aoun is named he will lose to Geagea or is it that Aoun will not agree to be named if he has to run against Geagea? I’m not sure about anything anymore! Its not a bad idea to exclude both of them from the race and find a consensus candidate, but that might just prolong the problem.

            I also like the amendment proposal, maybe not this time around, but for future elections. I don’t see why it’s getting so much opposition. What’s the fear? If they’re worried about ex-pats getting shipped over to vote, than they should find a way to make it illegal. Maybe, you have to have lived in Lebanon for two years straight to vote.

            I can’t wait for my work to start back up so I can stop thinking about anything related to Lebanese politics.

          21. 5thDrawer Avatar

            The ‘up’ is for your last lines. 🙂

          22. man-o-war Avatar

            I prefer stronger ‘uppers’, but thanks anyway ; )

            Have you taken a look at my new picture? Thats from my hometown, lol. An example of how the residents take things into their own hands. This is at a well where everyone and there mother strung pumps to it until it looks like a damn rats nest. Electrical poles look similar, lol

          23. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Didn’t see it yet … but I have pics of similar nests. :-)))
            When I went to visit, the girls didn’t like my ‘Doc Martins’. Wanted me in similar thin-soled slippers … but really, that total-protection work-shoe is electric and bombproof. I used the slippers indoors. :-)))))
            I didn’t want to be like the tourist who got fried walking on an old wire ….

          24. MekensehParty Avatar

            The amendment is a long and different subject…
            For now I’m happy we came to an agreement that M8 should name Aoun and go for a democratic election or start the talks for a consensual candidate.

          25. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Aoun NEVER ENTERED ‘the race’. And what do we have?

          26. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Then why do you support the prick, if your lebanese you rely on your own people and your own institutions.

          27. man-o-war Avatar

            The only prick I support is my own. He should be the leader.

          28. sweetvirgo Avatar

            LMAO….you’re crazy

          29. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Politics makes people that way. 😉 In Lebanon, I think it’s mostly the right hands in action …

          30. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Lmfao……….Probably do a better job, and would be more photogenic.

          31. man-o-war Avatar

            I wish we could get some fresh faces in Lebanese politics. I’m tired of seeing the career politicians. Or career politicians passing the torch to family members. Its crap, all of it.

          32. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            Im just tired of seeing Lebanon drawn into conflicts. Not only Syria but Israel also. Its been like 50 years that we’ve technically been at war. Its ridiculous and childish. Why cant we benifit from our neighbors but not get to the point where we should align ourselves with them and get dragged down.

          33. Leborigine Avatar

            Haifa Wehbe for President. I said it before and I say it again. She will run Lebanon with an iron fist and her sexy charms. She can also bring anyone in politics to their knees. Berri would vote for President immediately!

          34. sweetvirgo Avatar

            And not to mention all the women in Lebanon will be dressing like her LOL….;)))

          35. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I think she dresses more like them from what I’ve been seeing.

          36. sweetvirgo Avatar

            I’ve seen it too and most Lebanese women definitely like to flaunt their stuff after of course they get cosmetic surgery done.

          37. man-o-war Avatar

            Thats the beauty of Lebanon! You can walk around downtown Beirut wearing a black garbage bag or looking like a prostitute. Sometimes they’re even walking together as friends.

          38. sweetvirgo Avatar

            Well I wouldn’t use the word prostitue but some of them do dress like that. And they say american girls are the worse. Ha!!!!

          39. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Hmmm … SweetVirgo … taking notes …
            (Christian ‘Prim&Proper’, ‘Straight&Narrow’, Cute, Not sexy, … ‘Born Again? Hint of Baptist …)
            (maybe would enjoy being re-born … hehehehe 😉 )

          40. sweetvirgo Avatar

            Hahahaha ;)))

          41. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Man-O .. the ‘walking together’ was explained to me … it’s preservation.
            At least, in Tripoli, where the police might invite the single lady into their car for ‘questioning’ for 3 days at the station. Groupings of 5 are better.
            The Ladies KNOW.

          42. man-o-war Avatar

            Could be preservation, or it could be that they’re just friends out shopping.

          43. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Sometimes its the same person doing shiftwork.

          44. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Indeed. One of my friends makes an excellent piece of ‘eye-candy’ on the streets walking with the female-groupings during ‘Ramadan-Nights’ … those nights when more midriffs and upper hips show than any other time of year.
            I think nice of Christian women to give the Muslim males a chance to drool … although, I admit I did see many more ankles under the black dressing-gowns of their groupings too, at that time. Ramadan is ‘show-time’, after all.
            They enjoy making the ‘tent-pole’ rise under the white hospital-gowns. :-))))
            All Lebanese women seemed sexy to me … but with Jeans on, I can slide a hand into the pocket and direct the action for a little control. Seem ‘cool’. 😉
            By the way sweets … what are YOU wearing? 😉 😉

          45. sweetvirgo Avatar

            5th I think you need a cigarette ;))) I’ve seen muslim women come to the beach in Jounieh and take off the headscarf and strip down to bikinis. Once they were done tanning the headscarves and clothes would come back on.

          46. man-o-war Avatar

            I have a “friend” that was driving through Tripoli and passed by a Muslim woman dressed in black from head to toe. He pulled up and asked what she was doing standing on the side of the road, she says, “what ever you want me to do”. He thought this over and decided to ask for a BJ. She responds, “I’m sorry no BJ’s right now, its Ramadan”

          47. 5thDrawer Avatar

            LOL .. yes … wouldn’t want to break the ‘fast’, after all.
            Although, if he had had his condoms handy, he might have seen naked from the neck down. 😉

          48. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Actually, I have a picture of one being held up in her black shroud in the water by the husband in his shorts. He had allowed her to remove the head-cover so it wouldn’t be like ‘water-boarding’. So perhaps it depends either on the sect or the beach. 😉 Lebanon DID allow for the variations … it’s what the intention of the ‘Baabda’ was … ‘Lessaiz-Faire’ … So I don’t complain about anything from shrouded to naked. 🙂

          49. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I have known 3 women in Lebanon who did ‘Belly-Dancing’.
            Everyone seems to agree that THAT is ok … and the face-veils need not be heavy black cloth. 😉
            For one, at least, it was her ‘Gym-Class’ in school. 🙂

          50. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Ahh Leborigine … you know how they (don’t) think about females …
            I’d bet Geagea’s wife would do a good job too. But it’s never about someone who can do a good job … only about who can ‘resist’ the most.

          51. TheUSequalsTheIS Avatar

            haifa wehbe refuses to talk about politics but once she said that the person she admires the most is…. wait for it…. a little longer…. 7assan Nasrallah in the Akeed Mastro show on New TV so r sure u want her to run lebanon?

          52. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Strange that some beautiful women like the fat & ugly … contrast, I suppose.

          53. TheUSequalsTheIS Avatar

            woooowwwww in that case u must be very popular

          54. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I’ll never tell 😉 They like that too. :-))

          55. man-o-war Avatar

            It always surprises me, maybe they’re attracted to their personality and sense of humor.

          56. libnan1 Avatar

            “Hes as much of a criminal as Aoun or Nasrallah” I just can’t believe you’re comparing Geagea to Aoun and Nisrallah.
            The LAF under the command of the GREAT Aoun tried to liberate Lebanon but unfortunitly the militias went against them and shot the army in the back.
            Ha under the command of Nirallah liberated the South and they are still trying to keep terrorist out.
            Geagea on the other hand executed LAF , his militia used to line up captured army individauls and blow them up using 105 mm canons. Geagea is the king of all criminals. His organs should be chopped off one at time monthly.

          57. MekensehParty Avatar

            I’ve personally seen Aoun’s torture chambers
            Can’t say the same about Hezbollah but that’s probably because no one got out to tell about them.
            The bottom line is they’re all dirty and you’re dirtier for insisting on accusing one and absolving two others.

          58. master09 Avatar

            So your great Aoun tried to liberate and fight Syria now he licks thier balls, because they line his pocket. The thief. Your donkey Nasralla and his gang control Lebanon that the south now belongs to Iran and soon he will take it all with brainwashed kids like you falling for thier resistance bullshit. Tell me what did they try to do to Lebanon in 2008. They don’t pay taxes they don’t pay bills they build on land that does not belong to them, even tried to build on the airport land . They are thieves just as bad as dick Aoun. Wonder what he did with that 50 mil he stashed out of Lebanon. Brainwashed kids.

          59. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            It was Aoun who turned his back on the Lebanese front and ordered arrests of many of the LF generals who were helping him fight the Syrians. The Lebanese Front had no idea Aoun would turn his back on them. Talk about a power struggle. The LF never turned its back on the army, the army turned its back on it.

          60. MekensehParty Avatar

            Boycotting elections is absolutely NOT part of the game.
            The game means that there are elections and the strongest wins.
            Boycotting means the end of the game ergo the end of democracy and the absolute establishment of the wilayat al faqih

          61. TheUSequalsTheIS Avatar

            its spelled vilayat-e faqih 😉

          62. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Yeah convicted by who, Syria? thanks why don’t you just walk on over there and stay there. Save your breath and your one sided reasoning, actually keep walking till you get to Tehran. Enjoy your stay.

          63. man-o-war Avatar

            Why should I walk to Tehran? Did I strike a nerve by calling Geagea a convicted criminal?
            I guess i’ll start walking east when you start walking south ; )

          64. Anti ISIS Avatar
            Anti ISIS

            HA, Assad, and Aoun are criminals but not good old Geagea. He did repent after all. Surely we should forget all the people he killed, don’t you think Man o.

          65. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Still the only one who ‘confessed’ anything … even if he was in a hospital bed when his particular gang did their particular atrocity.
            And, having repented, it lifted the weight of guilt from his brain, he had 5 quiet years to actually THINK, and now he’s the only one capable of thinking about how to have the WHOLE country FUNCTION ‘for the people’. That is ….
            IF ‘the country’ MUST always run along with ancient theories and old heads.

          66. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            When you brag about your own countryman being tried by an outside court no matter who it is than you are undermining your own nations judicial processes, as for going south I wish I could its the holyland. Btw sounds like you’ve gone west if you know what I mean.

          67. man-o-war Avatar

            I wasn’t bragging about Geagea getting convicted by a pro-Syrian court. Just stated that he did. You don’t agree with the decision, I can respect that. Some could argue the STL is a western backed anti-HA court.

            Yes, I have gone west and I love it. You chose the south Pacific, also a good choice. Good jobs are hard to come by in Lebanon these days, unless you’re a politician or a family member of one.

          68. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Seems more sensible .. to the west is Cyprus. 😉

          69. Anti ISIS Avatar
            Anti ISIS

            Yes, but he said sorry. That should count for something man o, shouldn’t it.

          70. master09 Avatar

            Just like Aoun fought the Syrians and now licks the Ass. Find a good politician in Lebanon. I bet you will find a needle in the ocean before you find that politician.

          71. man-o-war Avatar

            “Find a good politician in Lebanon. I bet you will find a needle in the ocean before you find that politician.”, good point! I guess we’ll have to settle for the least worst.

          72. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes. Fear. Or a false image to believe … trying to hang on to something, In fear – or a false hope that it can change with ‘time’.
            Trouble is, it’s rarely in a lifetime – especially if it relates to religion.

          73. MekensehParty Avatar

            They were at their weakest politically and that’s why they used their weapons openly against the Lebanese for the first time

          74. man-o-war Avatar

            Is this in 2008, when groups from both sides were firing RPG’s at each other in beirut?

          75. MekensehParty Avatar

            you can’t rewrite history the way you want it
            it was a coup against the decisions of a freely elected government

          76. 5thDrawer Avatar

            If it hasn’t been sunk, stolen, or burned yet, a dead friend of mine owns a small yacht tied up somewhere at a pier …. part of the ‘decor’ I guess … the view from half a mile out in the ocean, of Lebanon, is always wonderful.

          77. man-o-war Avatar

            Not sure what you’re talking about. What I see down at the pier in beirut would make Miami look like a ghetto. Never seen so many multi-million dollar yachts. Probably not many are actually owned by Lebanese.

          78. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And Man-O .. it’s Beirut.

          79. TheUSequalsTheIS Avatar

            as an christian lebanese friend of mine told an american ‘tourist’ (he was probably a cia agent working undercover) when i was in lebanon: americans wudnt have the ‘freedom’ of travelling to lebanon if it was not for hezzy n nastyrallah, americans will be beheaded as soon they arrive to the rafiq 7ariri international airport

          80. MekensehParty Avatar


          81. TheUSequalsTheIS Avatar

            yir if it wasnt for hezzy u probably wudnt have the freedom of laughing either

          82. MekensehParty Avatar

            I just farted is it thanks to Hezbollah too?

          83. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Let’s stick to the facts, Mekenseh … It’s the Falafels. ;-0

          84. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            If it reeks, then yeah most probably. Its called essance a la tehran.

          85. TheUSequalsTheIS Avatar

            every word coming outta ur mouth is basically a fart 7abibi

          86. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Now thats a load of bull shit with creme on top.

          87. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Nobody likes American tourists … hehehehehehe … just their money. 😉

          88. TheUSequalsTheIS Avatar

            sorry i was wrong bcos the salafists in tripoli just warmly welcome the americans to their islamic state of iraq n sham right? pardon i meant islamic state… i hope i wont get beheaded along wid the americans

          89. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And … Damn .. those Americans get to be CIA !!
            I got to be only an Israeli Spy. 🙁

        2. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
          Maborlz Ez-Hari

          Prevention is better than the cure, don’t forget that people like you wake up when it’s way too late.

          1. Have you ever been to south Lebanon?

    5. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Ah well .. words from a guy who’s been on the inside.

  2. Two sides of the same coin – One did or do more damage by keeping it low and hidden by playing Taqiyah, resistance, and victim games and their cousins like to show off, may be they are told and instructed by their infallible masters just so the great Infallible hiz and ass can show the world that they are only safe because of them and continue their evil rules. The reality is their masters/creators/handlers are the same!
    Evils like Hiz and ass need evils to survive! They are nothing but Satan’s in Angel’s clothing!

    1. The real lebanese Avatar
      The real lebanese

      “Evils like Hiz and ass need evils to survive!”

      Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  3. The ISIS-Zionist-Iran-Syria Axis, ISIS A Zionist, Iranian, and Syrian Ruling Elites Creation?

    Immediately after ISIS emerged in Syria, sources in the Syrian opposition said, “We are familiar with the commanders of ISIS. Once they belonged to Assad’s intelligence, and now they are operating on his behalf under the name of ISIS.”
    Why would Shiite Iran support a Sunni jihadist organization like ISIS? Iran wants to be certain that a strong Iraqi state does not emerge again along its western border.
    The notion that Shiite Iran would help Sunni jihadists was not farfetched, even if it seemed to defy the conventional wisdom in Western capitals.
    It is unreasonable to expect Iran to fight ISIS. If Iran does so, it would be turning against a movement that has been a useful surrogate for Tehran’s interests.

    The ISIS connection with the Syrian leadership, and hence with Iran, raises serious questions. It was President Assad who released ISIS operatives from his prisons and for the most part left it alone, sparing it from attacks by the Syrian army.

    After the revolt against President Bashar Assad erupted in Syria, the organization emerged in Syria under the new name of ISIS. There it quickly clashed with its former al-Qaeda branch, already active in Syria, Jabhat al-Nusra or the al-Nusra Front headed by Abu Muhammad al-Jawlani. The head of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, subsequently decided to eject ISIS from the al-Qaeda network, even though ideologically they remained virtually identical groups.

    What would Iran’s motivation be to support a Sunni jihadist organization like ISIS? In Syria, ISIS has forced the West to choose between the regime of Bashar al-Assad or an al-Qaeda like organization. Given that choice, it was assumed that the West would back Assad, as did the Russians and the Chinese.

    The situation in Iraq is more complex but nonetheless understandable. Given the scars left by the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988), the Iranian leadership wants to be certain that a strong Iraqi state does not emerge again along its western border. To avert that possibility, the Iranians prefer Iraq to become a subservient client state or alternatively, that it be divided along sectarian lines into Kurdish, Sunni and Shiite states. Presumably, Iran would control or annex the Shiite sector containing the Shiite holy cities of Najaf and Karbala. In either case, ISIS would serve Iran as a useful tool for advancing its goal of achieving regional hegemony.

    The idea that the West could make common cause with Iran against ISIS, against the background of the Iraqi crisis, is based on the assumption that Tehran is implacably hostile to al-Qaeda and its affiliates, and to ISIS in particular. There is ample evidence, however, that this assumption is wrong. Going back to the 9/11 Commission Report, it has already been established that Iran even “facilitated the transit of al-Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, including future hijackers. Iran, according to the report, wished to conceal any past evidence of its cooperation with Sunni terrorists’ association with al-Qaeda,” but these connections continued.

    Expecting Iran to fight ISIS entails turning it against a movement that has served it, at times as a useful surrogate. Any such alliance between the West and Iran could easily break down, given Middle Eastern realities on the ground, giving the Western powers a share of responsibility for whatever courses of action Iran ultimately decides to pursue.

    It is actually deeply ironic that the biggest winner in the creation of a “fanatic” Islamic state in the Middle-East by Khawarij’s is no less than the enemy of virtually every state in the region: namely Israel! When you put all the pieces together, it’s very clear that the rise of ISIS must have been choreographed in Israel. It is so obvious.

    But what is now abundantly clear – with the invasion of Gaza – is that the strings of support for ISIS were actually held in Israel. Gaza confirms what the underlying strategy has been, all along.

    We all know that a truce in Gaza is NOT the end-game. This invasion will continue into Lebanon – with Hamas being defeated – and a pro-Israeli (secular) government put in place there. And, we have reports today that ISIS is planning a major offensive on Aleppo in Syria (with a vision of eventually capturing all of Syria between Lebanon and Turkey)! The whole map of the region will be redrawn.

    In politics you always have to ignore rhetoric and see what is done! In the immortal words of Deep Throat – follow the money.

    It’s all about Pipelines. Israel is planning to connect into Turkey’s Nabuco pipeline (across Lebanon and Northern Syria (in ISIS territory). And Saudi Arabia and Qatar will be doing the same (across ISIS territory) to Turkey! Russia’s stranglehold on European gas sales will be choked off – and new ‘friendly’ suppliers will be established from the Middle East! That is the plan. Trillions of dollars are at stake.

    Iran is developing a controlling regional dominance – from Iraq through Syria to Lebanon. Stopping Israeli, Saudi Arabian and Qatari pipelines. And also, constraining Turkey’s income from what is now an underused (40% utilized) Nabuco Pipeline.

    But if the grand plan involves invading Lebanon – and smearing Hezbollah. Then Iran too would be pushed into a phony war with Israel. Israel then would be forced to take on Hezbollah, Syria and Iran in one shot – and at the same time fight a war on its other border with their ally Hamas in Gaza.

    The creation of ISIS – beyond grabbing key strategic territory for pipelines – completely retards Iran’s ability to put men and armaments on the ground and take on Israel. It simply neutralizes Iran. Iran didn’t and won’t do a damn thing about Gaza! And Hezbollah doesn’t dare get involved too – fearing a war on two fronts. No-one can do a damn thing about Gaza – while ISIS is around controlling key strategic territory.

    Gaza is the test case of ‘involvement’. Israel’s calculations have been brilliant – and all its allies have done their part. Mark the words, Gaza is the beginning – not the end. And the creation of ISIS plays beautifully into their regional strategy.

    In the final analysis, Iran’s recent “Shiite” façade and alliance with other “Shiites” in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq is simply a façade. And Israel’s plan will surely win. The prediction is that Israel’s invasion of Lebanon, and ISIS’s control of Northern Syria will come to pass. Inaction and impotence versus Israel on the invasion of Gaza proves it.

    How easy it would be if ISIS could be pushed to Iran! But Israel seems to be controlling the whole region beautifully. And right now, no one can do a damn thing about it.

    And for now, we also have definite proof that the Israelis have truly cemented their alliance with Iran. And if you already did not know, the intelligence agencies have turned out to be an extension of Israel’s military operation, by arming ISIS. So when Iranians think that ISIS is an “American” creation, lets edit that statement a little – they are an “Israeli” and “Iranian” creation – and as Netenyahu so elegantly put it, he has America wrapped arround his finger!

    The best and only solution for the protection of the Jewish state is to create an enemy near its borders and who else can do a better job than Assad, Hezbollah, ISIS, and their master Iran!

    1. man-o-war Avatar

      Hey manjuice, are you going to post a link to any of the stuff you post? Or is this all from your head?

      1. The real lebanese Avatar
        The real lebanese

        “Immediately after ISIS emerged in Syria, sources in the Syrian opposition said, “We are familiar with the commanders of ISIS. Once they belonged to Assad’s intelligence, and now they are operating on his behalf under the name of ISIS.”

        Seems a little far fetched lol

      2. Anti ISIS Avatar
        Anti ISIS

        ZJSO pretty much extracted this straight out of its ass. AS USUAL.

        1. Lol…it’s fun to have you around my dear IT (ASS)!:))) You are such an ardent follower, its admirable!:))) Please keep up that good work and don’t forget to UP-VOTE those truth-filled comments which you love to read and reply!:)))

  4. 5thDrawer Avatar

    Might as well throw Hamas into that, Rifi … Daily Star report will back you up. 🙂

    “GAZA CITY: Gaza gunmen executed 18 Palestinians accused of collaborating with Israel Friday, including seven who were lined up behind a mosque with bags over their heads and shot in front of hundreds of people.”

    Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2014/Aug-23/268232-hamas-executes-18-alleged-spies-for-israel.ashx#ixzz3BA6tGMBD
    (The Daily Star :: Lebanon News :: http://www.dailystar.com.lb)

  5. This is article is quite funny. Rifi was openly funnelling and sending fighters to Syria when this all started. When Ziad baroud was interior Minister he resigned because of the stand off between the internal security forces led by rifi but under interior ministers command and the Army. Hariri PM at the time backed Rifi leaving Baroud gob smacked. Baroud did the right thing and resigned. “On 26 May 2011, Baroud resigned from office as minister of interior and municipalities in Saad Hariri’s government after an inter-party conflict developed between the Internal Security Forces and the Ministry of Telecommunications in Lebanon.” Only when Rifi became Justice minister did he start cleaning up the streets of the same people he was using. The part thats amazing here is that Rifi is comparing hzb to IS without acknowledging the massacres that IS has committed and the absolute shame they have brought to the Arab world. Time will show and tell what the comparisons in his dillusional world cant be. Now people will rant and rave but before anyone does please have the commonsense to admit that ALL parties have been involved from day one. Put simply I am a father with a family and children. If I had to pick between IS and HZB who do you think I would pick? South Lebanon has lived in coexistence for years and never had any sectarian conflicts until assir came along. So lets compare the 2.

  6. What a joke of an article. This guy was allowing, setting up and funnelling fighters through lebanon into syria from the start. Ziad baroud resigned because of him and Hariri. It wasnt until he became justice minister that he started catching the very people and groups he put together. Lets be realistic for once and admit everyone has been involved in syria. Now to compare IS to hzb is beyond any logic dispite anyones differences.

    1. The real lebanese Avatar
      The real lebanese

      “This guy was allowing, setting up and funnelling fighters through lebanon into syria from the start.”

      Thats a bold statement without a link.

      1. Is this whole article not a bold statement without any links? He was head of internal security was he not? How many fighters were travelling through his areas of control from the start and until now? How many of our troops were and are still being killed by these same people? Do we just deny? Im not defending the other side but at least they have admitted what they are doing have they not? Why is it this side does what it does then claims denial to everything? They are currently holding 36 of our troops and police hostage are they not? How much longer do we keep denying that what is happening with IS is a disease that has become a world problem. This mentality needs to be eliminated. When you see a 7 year old boy holding the head of decapitated soldier and posing on camera you must surely get to a point and say enough is enough.

        1. The real lebanese Avatar
          The real lebanese

          The article a him making a comparison. What should it need links for? If Rifi has been funding and arming IS im sure Hezbollah would’ve found out by now. It was even M14, Rifi’s block, who proposed UNIFIL shut down the Syrian border with Lebanon. Didnt take long for Hezbollah to shoot that idea down. Think about how silly your ideas are before you say them.

          1. Its amazing how there is always an excuse. UNIFL is not going to do anything my friend as they do nothing in the south except watch and observe. Its people like M14 that need to lift the cover they give and allow the army to do their job.Its been a year since this so called grant has been given to the leb army and still nothing has happened. Its amazing how you do not acknowledge the threat posed by this group. Even after all they have done before during and now.

          2. The real lebanese Avatar
            The real lebanese

            First off regarding the grant, the Lebanese army recently sent Frnce a list of what it needs. You always claim stuff without knowing anything about it. Secondly, Hezbollah is doing a terrible job at securing the border as they claim they are doing. The Lebanese army has done better given the few instances they have tried. Its not hard to secure the border as Geagea was saying today. The Lebanese Israeli border has been secured by UNIFIL and the army relativley successfully. M8 has not given a reason why they do not want UNIFIL on the border with Syria but we all know why.

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