Likud wants greater Israel, says no to 2 state solution

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Danny DanonAs Secretary of State John F. Kerry resumes talks here Wednesday in the quest to create “two states for two people,” a vocal faction in Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government is, more openly than ever, opposing the very idea of a Palestinian state — and putting forward its own plans to take, rather than give away, territory.

Ministers in Netanyahu’s ruling coalition and leaders of his party, the Likud, are in revolt against the international community’s long-held consensus that there should be two states between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. In the process, they are seeking to overturn the commitments of every U.S. president since Bill Clinton and at least four Israeli prime ministers, including the current one.

While once content to simply voice their opposition to giving up what they see as Jewish land or rights in the West Bank, these two-state opponents have gone beyond shouting “no” and are preparing details of their own vision for how Israel should proceed unilaterally after the current round of peace talks fails — which they say is inevitable.

“The day after peace talks fail, we need to have Plan B,” said Knesset member Tzipi Hotovely, a rising star in the Likud party and deputy minister of transportation in Netanyahu’s government.

West Bank  area  A B CInstead of a sovereign Palestinian nation arising in the West Bank and Gaza, with East Jerusalem as its capital — which has been the focus of on-again, off-again peace negotiations since the Oslo Accords in 1993 — the two-state opponents envision Israel annexing large swaths of the West Bank.

As for the Gaza Strip and its 1.6 million inhabitants, which Palestinians consider central to any future nation, the Israeli expansionists say Gaza should be abandoned to its own fate — to be eventually absorbed by Egypt or left as a hostile semi-state, run by the Islamist militant organization Hamas and isolated from Israel by existing separation barriers.

As for the Palestinians living in the West Bank, depending on the ideas under discussion, the annexationists suggest that they be offered Israeli citizenship or residency or be made the responsibility of Jordan.

“I think we should no longer think of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, but Palestinian settlements in Israel,” Danny Danon, deputy defense minister, said in an interview.

Danon, recently elected to head the central committee of the Likud party, imagines an archipelago of Palestinian cities — Jenin, Nablus, Ramallah and Hebron — as Arab islands in an Israeli sea.

“The Jewish people are not settlers in the West Bank, but Israel will make the Palestinians settlers and Jordan will be the one taking control over Palestinians and that’s it,” Danon told Israel’s Channel 1 this summer.

Beyond the fringe

After years of criticism, Netanyahu declared himself an advocate for two states in a speech at Bar Ilan University in 2009. He repeated his commitment to the idea last month — as long as Israel’s security demands are met and the Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

But opponents and skeptics of the two-state solution represent a formidable bloc in the Israeli government and parliament. Those who would unilaterally annex all or part of the West Bank comprise a smaller but ­still-potent number.

Though they are sometimes depicted as a right-wing fringe by their critics in the peace camp, there is considerable support for their ideas. An April survey of Jewish Israelis for Ariel University, which is in a Jewish settlement in the West Bank, found that 35 percent said the government should annex all the land of Judea and Samaria — the biblical names some Israelis use to describe the West Bank.

About a quarter of those polled said only the areas containing large Jewish settlements should be annexed. These areas represent about 6 percent of West Bank territory, and the idea that Israel would keep them and swap other land to a new Palestinian state is a mainstream view that is at the center of Kerry’s peace initiative.

Palestinian leaders and members of their negotiating team say the ideas put forth by the annexationists reveal Israel’s true heart. Israeli leaders, they say, do not really want a deal and instead want to keep the land they won from Jordan in the 1967 war and have occupied since — land that Israelis want for security and because they believe that it is their ancestral home.

Of course, the Palestinians have their own expansionists who would like to take all of the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. Hamas does not recognize Israel’s right to exist and has for decades waged a campaign of violence against Israeli military and civilian targets. In academic and activist circles, there is also support for a bi­national solution among Palestinians who have grown frustrated with a long-delayed peace process.

Many Israeli leaders who support the two-state solution acknowledge that they are tired of failure and cynical about prospects for a U.S.-brokered deal. But they say the idea of annexing the West Bank is not only unrealistic but also incendiary.

“The fact that the right wing is thinking about solutions without the two states worries me,” said Hilik Bar, deputy speaker of the Israeli parliament and a member of the Labor Party.

He said that as painful as it will be to surrender most of the West Bank for a Palestinian state, it is necessary to end the conflict and to keep Israel both Jewish and democratic.

If all of the Palestinians in the West Bank became Israeli citizens, they would wield tremendous influence in Israel’s government and could dilute the nation’s Jewish character. The annexationists say they have solutions to that problem ranging from creating high bars for citizenship to the mass immigration of a million or more Jews from around the world, especially the United States.

The status quo will not hold, they argue, and it is time to pursue their goals in the open.

The deputy foreign minister, Zeev Elkin, a staunch opponent of a two-state solution, said at a conference last year that “regardless of the world’s opposition, it’s time to do in Judea and Samaria what we did in [East] Jerusalem and the Golan.”

After the 1967 war, Israel incorporated East Jerusalem into the greater Jerusalem municipality. Israel annexed the Golan Heights in 1981. However, both remain contested territories.

‘Tranquilizing Plan’

The debate among annexationists is not whether to take greater control of the West Bank — it is how much to take.

The Oslo Accords of 1993 divided the West Bank into three areas. In areas A and B, which constitute about 40 percent of the West Bank and include the major Palestinian cities and most of the Palestinian population, the Palestinian Authority was promised full civil control and full or shared security duties. In Area C, the Israeli military maintains full civil and security control.

Area C is the least populated and includes the Jordan Valley, the border area that Israelis say is crucial for maintaining security.

Economy Minister Naftali Bennett, who also leads the political party called the Jewish Home, published his “Tranquilizing Plan” last year, whereby Israel would unilaterally annex Area C and leave areas A and B to be administered by the Palestinian Authority with oversight by Israel security forces.

Bennett said the 48,000 Palestinians living in Area C — others say there are three times as many — would be offered Israeli citizenship or residency. The 350,000 or so Jewish settlers, who are already Israeli citizens, would remain, and their population and settlements, which would become towns, would grow.

Uri Ariel, the housing minister, has said he would start with Area C and continue to assert sovereignty in stages to eventually annex all of the West Bank.

Ariel said Palestinians who wish to become citizens would have to apply and meet criteria such as speaking Hebrew and pledging allegiance to Israel.

Hotovely, the deputy transportation minister, said she envisions annexing all of the West Bank and granting its residents full Israeli citizenship. She said her Greater Israel would remain democratic and Jewish by encouraging the mass migration of Jews from around the world to Israel.

“This is not a binational state. There will still be 70 to 75 percent Jews, with a large minority of Palestinians,” Hotovely said. “Israel can live with this reality.”

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180 responses to “Likud wants greater Israel, says no to 2 state solution”

  1. 5thDrawer Avatar

    Eewwww … who the hell wants to speak Hebrew?? Do you need the New York accent too??? Yuuchh.
    Who in their right mind would …. oh … some muslim palestinians … right.
    AND Figures that it’s an ‘Economy Minister’ (in this case Naftali Bennett) who says ‘MAKE BABIES’.
    Not enough desert and concrete there already. :-))))

    1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
      Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

      I’ve met some Arabic speaking Christians and Muslims who’d like to learn Hebrew.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        French and Spanish would be more useful – but some like to go back in time. Each to their own. La heim – a vous. 🙂

        1. Super_habib Avatar
          Super_habib

          Hmm, maybe learning Aramaic isn’t the best idea then?

          1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            I think it’s a great idea. There’s an Aramaic revival going on in Jish (Gush Halav in Northern Israel among the Maronites.

          2. Super_habib Avatar
            Super_habib

            I read about that, it is interesting but I consider them a fringe group. They’re really pushing themselves away from arabism. If the folks in lebnan began learning aramaic en masse the world would really take notice.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Hmmm … might change the banking structure ,,, 😉

          4. Super_habib Avatar
            Super_habib

            Haha

          5. Someoneone Avatar

            Gush Halav (al-Jish) (aka mostly Kafr Bir’em residents) have Lebanese descent, the British mandate was pushed them into modern Israel and then someone called them “Palestinians” they are still saving many Lebanese traditions and food

            (i am originally a Jew from the 1900 year settled village of pekiin (al-bokia) and they were formerly was my grandpa’s neighbors (until 1936 when my family used to leave because palestinians attacks, if not the Druze residents that helped my family to getting out so they were dead and i wasn’t exist to tell you all of this)
            many of Jish’s residents holding names that i have met during my army service in the Lebanon war in 1982 (i am still missing to northen lebanon, fuck this world lol)

  2. 5thDrawer Avatar

    Eewwww … who the hell wants to speak Hebrew?? Do you need the New York accent too??? Yuuchh.
    Who in their right mind would …. oh … some muslim palestinians … right.
    AND Figures that it’s an ‘Economy Minister’ (in this case Naftali Bennett) who says ‘MAKE BABIES’.
    Not enough desert and concrete there already. :-))))

    1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
      Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

      I’ve met some Arabic speaking Christians and Muslims who’d like to learn Hebrew.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        French and Spanish would be more useful – but some like to go back in time. Each to their own. La heim – a vous. 🙂

        1. Super_habib Avatar
          Super_habib

          Hmm, maybe learning Aramaic isn’t the best idea then?

          1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            I think it’s a great idea. There’s an Aramaic revival going on in Jish (Gush Halav in Northern Israel among the Maronites.

          2. Super_habib Avatar
            Super_habib

            I read about that, it is interesting but I consider them a fringe group. They’re really pushing themselves away from arabism. If the folks in lebnan began learning aramaic en masse the world would really take notice.

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Hmmm … might change the banking structure ,,, 😉

          4. Super_habib Avatar
            Super_habib

            Haha

          5. Someoneone Avatar

            Gush Halav (al-Jish) (aka mostly Kafr Bir’em residents) have Lebanese descent, the British mandate was pushed them into modern Israel and then someone called them “Palestinians” they are still saving many Lebanese traditions and food

            (i am originally a Jew from the 1900 year settled village of pekiin (al-bokia) and they were formerly was my grandpa’s neighbors (until 1936 when my family used to leave because palestinians attacks, if not the Druze residents that helped my family to getting out so they were dead and i wasn’t exist to tell you all of this)
            many of Jish’s residents holding names that i have met during my army service in the Lebanon war in 1982 (i am still missing to northen lebanon, fuck this world lol)

  3. long live Likud! greater Israel we shall have!!!! ALLAHU AKBAR!!! wooooooooooooooooops lol

    1. man-o-war Avatar

      Out for a troll? I guess you’re bored again. What is a greater Israel anyway?

      1. Have an essay for monday, managed only 100 words lolololol.
        Greater Israel is like, idk, lol.

      2. Someoneone Avatar

        “greater israel” is most of the british mandate and golan heights (without gaza strip anymore this is a useless place anyway it is should be part of egypt)

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Gaza has nice beach-front properties for sale, and tourism …. 😉

          1. Someoneone Avatar

            Yes but small area, its useless, i used to be there many times before 2005

          2. Someoneone Avatar

            i am still remembering the amazing ancient gaza’s harbour (anthedon harbour) but i heard that Hamas recently destroyed it hhhhhh

  4. Heraclitus Avatar
    Heraclitus

    long live Likud! greater Israel we shall have!!!! ALLAHU AKBAR!!! wooooooooooooooooops lol

    1. man-o-war Avatar

      Out for a troll? I guess you’re bored again. What is a greater Israel anyway?

      1. Heraclitus Avatar
        Heraclitus

        Have an essay for monday, managed only 100 words lolololol.
        Greater Israel is like, idk, lol.

      2. Someoneone Avatar

        “greater israel” is most of the british mandate and golan heights (without gaza strip anymore this is a useless place anyway it is should be part of egypt)

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Gaza has nice beach-front properties for sale, and tourism …. 😉

          1. Someoneone Avatar

            Yes but small area, its useless, i used to be there many times before 2005

          2. Someoneone Avatar

            i am still remembering the amazing ancient gaza’s harbour (anthedon harbour) but i heard that Hamas recently destroyed it hhhhhh

  5. MekensehParty Avatar
    MekensehParty

    After years of drinking middle-eastern water the majority of the Jewish population of Israel is now equal in stupidity as the surrounding Arabs. No wonder why many Jews who left the Americas and Europe to become Israeli citizens are now returning to their native countries.
    Mounting criticism of the International Community and the closest allies of Israel means only that the clock is ticking before the “radical” state of Israel is left to itself.
    I’m soooo investing in popcorn, so many exciting ME episodes yet to unfold…

    1. Israelis are not happy because the government keeps giving away land for “peace”. See the map up in the article? for starters, Israel should annex Area C.

      1. MekensehParty Avatar
        MekensehParty

        Sure, why not?
        Annex C, D, E and all the way to Z
        keep fighting, shedding blood and burning resources…
        and I’ll keep buying popcorn…

        1. The Jordanian squatters indeed need to go back to Amman

          1. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Best of luck to both sides
            Every person that dies in this endless conflict is one stupid less on the face of the earth.

          2. ABOUelABED Avatar
            ABOUelABED

            we know that most victims in conflicts are innocent; are you calling innocents stupid!!!

          3. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Nobody’s innocent!
            Somewhere, somehow each person living in a conflict zone is guilty or at least an accomplice!

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Especially if they are throwing stones ….

          5. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            No one should have to move from their home anymore.

    2. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
      Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

      Israel is our native country. Jews are not from anywhere else. Even Ashkenazim are half Middle Eastern by DNA.

      1. MekensehParty Avatar
        MekensehParty

        Really? So the Jews were born out of the belly of Mount Zion?
        Why does the Torah claim that Abraham is from Mesopotamia then?
        Maybe because you ARE from somewhere else!
        Populations moved, conquered, settled, were expelled by new conquerors, moved to new lands, settled, ran, found a new land… and on and on. No land is the property of any group of people no matter how old the temples they built on these lands.
        Rome isn’t going back to believers in Jupiter, Egypt isn’t going back to believers in Ra… Israel was given back (underlined given back because it means it wasn’t theirs but rather the property of the giver) for political reasons but at no time should you believe that this land is the property of any community or religion forever.
        Be a good human being, live on the land where you can work and prosper but be sure you’re not taking this land with you after you die!

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          I’d guess, Mekenseh, that some of them must have been ‘on a pilgrimage’ to Germany and Poland and Russia, when that damn Hitler started his war. Something like the Hezzys who went to Iran through Assad’s War-Zone recently, they got caught up in the Furore before getting back to ‘the homeland’. 😉

          1. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            hahahaha
            Excellent!!!!
            I’ll remember this one

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar

            :-)) And then, as usual, although it sounds the same, someone misspelled the ‘angry’ word .. and the Germans went around yelling ‘It’s Mein Fhurer, Not Yours!’ for the next several years.
            Gutenberg would have been ashamed of the print error, I’m sure.

        2. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          Well said..

        3. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          I don’t believe in pushing anyone to move anywhere but I believe that everyone should have the right to move to their ethnic homeland. Furthermore, your argument supports Israel either way. We are the indigenous people and we reconquered our homeland and resettled it.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I’d agree – assuming the homeland had been set up by the ethnicity. And, Adam, if you move to someone else’s homeland, you shouldn’t try to push them out once the numbers on ‘your side’ are inflated. But Israel was an anomaly in some respects, one has to say. Pushing out the British ‘conqueror-controllers’ perhaps a little soon, before other folks in the neighbourhood got used to the idea of a ‘Jewish State’, largely suddennly peopled by refugees from northern backgrounds, a pack of Arabs then attacked, and the Jewish folks were lucky to beat them off.
            That the Arabs tried to do it twice more after was the simple stupidity of wanting to have the sand rubbed in the faces again, of course. And all of this now is about ‘religiosity’ not ‘ethnicity’ – by peoples who all go for the same God. Theoretically.
            By this time, my take on it is, that it’s only about a form of ‘insanity’ anyway – on all ‘sides’. Religion.

          2. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            The only ethnic homeland of the Human Race is planet Earth. Nations rise and fall, kingdoms come and go, empires grow and dissolve and people will keep roaming the land. Yes, the Israelis have gathered an alliance of powerful supporters that helped them resettle in Israel. They fought the residents (who are a mix of natives and conquerors), threw them out and settled. Fine with me… History shows thousands of such cases.
            But the belief that this land (Israel) is copyrighted to the Jewish population is wrong. This land was here before Abraham comes to it and will remain here long after the last Jew converts to Zarkonism. That’s the truth.
            All you’re invited to do at this time is to come to a solution where you can share this land with other human beings. Many in Israel refuse this idea and remain attached to the idea that this land is to remain Jewish forever… well… good luck fighting for a historically proven impossible cause.

        4. patriotss Avatar

          very well said

  6. MekensehParty Avatar
    MekensehParty

    After years of drinking middle-eastern water the majority of the Jewish population of Israel is now equal in stupidity as the surrounding Arabs. No wonder why many Jews who left the Americas and Europe to become Israeli citizens are now returning to their native countries.
    Mounting criticism of the International Community and the closest allies of Israel means only that the clock is ticking before the “radical” state of Israel is left to itself.
    I’m soooo investing in popcorn, so many exciting ME episodes yet to unfold…

    1. Heraclitus Avatar
      Heraclitus

      Israelis are not happy because the government keeps giving away land for “peace”. See the map up in the article? for starters, Israel should annex Area C.

      1. MekensehParty Avatar
        MekensehParty

        Sure, why not?
        Annex C, D, E and all the way to Z
        keep fighting, shedding blood and burning resources…
        and I’ll keep buying popcorn…

        1. Heraclitus Avatar
          Heraclitus

          The Jordanian squatters indeed need to go back to Amman

          1. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Best of luck to both sides
            Every person that dies in this endless conflict is one stupid less on the face of the earth.

          2. ABOUelABED Avatar
            ABOUelABED

            we know that most victims in conflicts are innocent; are you calling innocents stupid!!!

          3. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Nobody’s innocent!
            Somewhere, somehow each person living in a conflict zone is guilty or at least an accomplice!

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Especially if they are throwing stones ….

          5. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            No one should have to move from their home anymore.

    2. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
      Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

      Israel is our native country. Jews are not from anywhere else. Even Ashkenazim are half Middle Eastern by DNA.

      1. MekensehParty Avatar
        MekensehParty

        Really? So the Jews were born out of the belly of Mount Zion?
        Why does the Torah claim that Abraham is from Mesopotamia then?
        Maybe because you ARE from somewhere else!
        Populations moved, conquered, settled, were expelled by new conquerors, moved to new lands, settled, ran, found a new land… and on and on. No land is the property of any group of people no matter how old the temples they built on these lands.
        Rome isn’t going back to believers in Jupiter, Egypt isn’t going back to believers in Ra… Israel was given back (underlined given back because it means it wasn’t theirs but rather the property of the giver) for political reasons but at no time should you believe that this land is the property of any community or religion forever.
        Be a good human being, live on the land where you can work and prosper but be sure you’re not taking this land with you after you die!

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          I’d guess, Mekenseh, that some of them must have been ‘on a pilgrimage’ to Germany and Poland and Russia, when that damn Hitler stated his war. Something like the Hezzys who went to Iran through Assad’s War-Zone recently, they got caught up in the Furore. 😉

          1. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            hahahaha
            Excellent!!!!
            I’ll remember this one

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar

            :-)) And then, as usual, although it sounds the same, someone misspelled the ‘angry word’ .. and the Germans went around yelling ‘It’s Mein Fhurer, Not Yours!’ for the next several years.

        2. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          Well said..

        3. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          I don’t believe in pushing anyone to move anywhere but I believe that everyone should have the right to move to their ethnic homeland. Furthermore, your argument supports Israel either way. We are the indigenous people and we reconquered our homeland and resettled it.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I’d agree – assuming the homeland had been set up by the ethnicity. And, Adam, if you move to someone else’s homeland, you shouldn’t try to push them out once the numbers on ‘your side’ are inflated. But Israel was an anomaly in some respects, one has to say. Pushing out the British ‘conqueror-controllers’ perhaps a little soon, before other folks in the neighbourhood got used to the idea of a ‘Jewish State’, a pack of Arabs then attacked, and the Jewish folks were lucky to beat them off.
            That the Arabs tried to do it twice more after was the simple stupidity of wanting to have the sand rubbed in the faces again, of course. And all of this now is about ‘religiosity’ not ‘ethnicity’ – by peoples who all go for the same God. Theoretically.
            By this time, my take on it is, that it’s only about a form of ‘insanity’ anyway – on all ‘sides’. Religion.

          2. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            The only ethnic homeland of the Human Race is planet Earth. Nations rise and fall, kingdoms come and go, empires grow and dissolve and people will keep roaming the land. Yes, the Israelis have gathered an alliance of powerful supporters that helped them resettle in Israel. They fought the residents (who are a mix of natives and conquerors), threw them out and settled. Fine with me… History shows thousands of such cases.
            But the belief that this land (Israel) is copyrighted to the Jewish population is wrong. This land was here before Abraham comes to it and will remain here long after the last Jew converts to Zarkonism. That’s the truth.
            All you’re invited to do at this time is to come to a solution where you can share this land with other human beings. Many in Israel refuse this idea and remain attached to the idea that this land is to remain Jewish forever… well… good luck fighting for a historically proven impossible cause.

        4. patriotss Avatar

          very well said

  7. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
    Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    This is a cynical attempt by YaLibnan to frame the Likud. Less than half of its members hold this view and Danny Danon (whose family moved here from Lebanon by the way) isn’t taken seriously by anyone.

    1. MekensehParty Avatar
      MekensehParty

      I doubt YaLibnan has a lot of influence of how the readers of this blog view the Likud party. Many Israelis believe that this land was given to them by Yhwh and part of these Israelis refuse to share it with anyone else. Danny Danon (one of many stupid Lebanese) is one of them.

  8. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
    Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    This is a cynical attempt by YaLibnan to frame the Likud. Less than half of its members hold this view and Danny Danon (whose family moved here from Lebanon by the way) isn’t taken seriously by anyone.

    1. MekensehParty Avatar
      MekensehParty

      I doubt YaLibnan has a lot of influence of how the readers of this blog view the Likud party. Many Israelis believe that this land was given to them by Yhwh and part of these Israelis refuse to share it with anyone else. Danny Danon (one of many stupid Lebanese) is one of them.

  9. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
    Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    The West Bank should be partitioned between Israel and Jordan (Palestine).

    1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      Is that why you guys pushed all the palestinians toward the South.

      1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
        Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        “You guys”? I didn’t do anything of the sort. Please tell me what you’re accusing Israel of doing as there are plenty of Palestinians in the northern West Bank.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Have you ‘adjusted’ the wall that’s being built through a Monastery?

      2. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
        Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        What I’m suggesting wouldn’t involve any population movements.

  10. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
    Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    The West Bank should be partitioned between Israel and Jordan (Palestine).

    1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      Is that why you guys pushed all the palestinians toward the South.

      1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
        Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        “You guys”? I didn’t do anything of the sort. Please tell me what you’re accusing Israel of doing as there are plenty of Palestinians in the northern West Bank.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Have you ‘adjusted’ the wall that’s being built through a Monastery?

      2. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
        Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        What I’m suggesting wouldn’t involve any population movements.

  11. 5thDrawer Avatar

    When I look at that ‘map’, I wonder how they can call anything an ‘area’, then tear it up into little pieces and spread it around willy-nilly wherever someone built a shack or two – especially where the little towns of a couple of millennia ago were planted. Why is it defined as an ‘area’ at all?
    And how does anyone get from A1 to A3 or B5 from B13 ?? (Is it a bingo game??)
    Very weird game, perhaps.
    Well, aside from wasting gas driving around all the A’s and B’s to stay in a C-zone, being in C seems more logical. Straight roads can put you to sleep anyway.
    There is no chance of making everyone happy, when they need big pogo-sticks to hop around.
    One has the impression it’s more like everyone who has landed on a wrong spot not having the energy to bounce again, and thus there’s a chorus of voices by now just standing there and saying:
    ‘Mine’. Mine, MIne, Mine, Mine Mine, MIne, Mine, Mine, MIne, Mine,Mine, MIne, Mine,Mine, MIne, Mine.

    1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
      Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

      It was a stupid, terrible plan from day one. But heck, Arafat agreed to it. It’s the first land they’ve ever had political control over.

  12. 5thDrawer Avatar

    When I look at that ‘map’, I wonder how they can call anything an ‘area’, then tear it up into little pieces and spread it around willy-nilly wherever someone built a shack or two – especially where the little towns of a couple of millennia ago were planted. Why is it defined as an ‘area’ at all?
    And how does anyone get from A1 to A3 or B5 from B13 ?? (Is it a bingo game??)
    Very weird game, perhaps.
    Well, aside from wasting gas driving around all the A’s and B’s to stay in a C-zone, being in C seems more logical. Straight roads can put you to sleep anyway.
    There is no chance of making everyone happy, when they need big pogo-sticks to hop around.
    One has the impression it’s more like everyone who has landed on a wrong spot not having the energy to bounce again, and thus there’s a chorus of voices by now just standing there and saying:
    ‘Mine’. Mine, MIne, Mine, Mine Mine, MIne, Mine, Mine, MIne, Mine,Mine, MIne, Mine,Mine, MIne, Mine.

    1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
      Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

      It was a stupid, terrible plan from day one. But heck, Arafat agreed to it. It’s the first land they’ve ever had political control over.

  13. IraniAngel Avatar
    IraniAngel

    the craziness goes on… well i dont care as long we iranian dont get involved in this mess

    1. Greater Israel is nothing compared to Greater Iran with Iraq, Syria and Lebanon from Persian Gulf to Caspian Sea to Mediterranean Sea. Goodbye free Lebanon.

      1. IraniAngel Avatar

        haha…we iranians want to solve our problems not ADD even more problems and including waste states as lebanon and its like with iran basically means adding problems.

        1. SaifAddawla Avatar
          SaifAddawla

          i donno if you deserve an answer to the waste that you are; first i really doubt you are iranian, second, sorry to deceive you or maybe i am playing your game: Lebanon was and will ALWAYS be a great country in values and certainly in that respect iran is no match; lebanon may have started to appear waste only by the smell the iranians and the saudis brought to it… it is not because iran has weapons and can be destructive that iran is a great country; ya know, in lebnon we call iran (“ayran” that is a double ayr; one for you and one for iran

          1. IraniAngel Avatar

            there is no doubt about my iraniangel nationality. im even more iraniangel than cyrus the great. if any one’s nationality is to be questioned it is yours and all other ‘lebanese’ on this site since the lebanese are in fact in favor of the iraniangel regime which ppl here are not..

          2. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            you are obviously repelling people from supporting iran hence knowingly or unknowingly you are anti iranian; further, even though i myself i am not against iran, i believe that iran will be shuttered into pieces exactly like turkey syria saudi arabia and others; btw, under the actual mullah regime, i dont think anybody would envy iran, maybe under the shah iran was a great country, maybe also in history, exactly like the arabic cultures, used to be great far back in time but far from great in actual time

          3. IraniAngel Avatar

            please tell me how i repel ppl in supporting iran?
            iran into pieces??? never… over ALL iranians dead bodies.
            everybody has ups and downs, however in irans case there is light at the end of the tunnel unlike you. all we have to do is to kick these mollahells back to arabia. unfortunately your solution isnt that easy.

          4. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            Well, one thing i can guarantee you is that the day iran and saudi arabia shutter into pieces Lebanon will be healthy and wealthy again; further, the lebanese factions realised that war is stupid and futile and will not get involved in it certainly not on the lebanese territory; even hizbollah will fight in syria but not on lebanese territory; future movement and assir will fight in syria but not in Lebanon. How are you repelling people from supporting iran? simple, i am pro iran for strategic purposes and you made me do the opposite; isnt that enough reason for you!!!!

          5. IraniAngel Avatar

            do you really support the iranian regime??? are you nuts??? do you know that makes you a criminal genocider!!!

          6. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            really, how so? i am a peaceful free man and by choice i decided to be christian not just because i was born in a christian country and from a christian family but because christiannity makes me free, peaceful and foremost compatible with all other aberrant and abhorrent beliefs; please dont try to trespass my freedom of opinion…suppporting iran politically does not mean supporting any iranian thug like yourself; there is good and bad in everything(thats why i keep on criticising these bloggers in here who see white ONLY in ONE side ONLY and black ONLY on the OTHER side). nevertheless i reiterate and confirm that you are as much iranian as i am chinese; you are here just to frighten people from iran by claiming to be iranian and behaving like a thug

          7. IraniAngel Avatar

            please get a life

          8. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            lol, did i hit a nerve; i bet 5 arabic camels on your head you are anti iranian

          9. IraniAngel Avatar

            no not really… i’ve just had enough of your sh!t to last me a lifetime

          10. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            time buddy, time is best lie detector; one leaf after the other, one blogger after the other, you are getting denuded losing your feather(s)

          11. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            when you go to a presumably lebanese blog and you tell people in it i am iranian, iran is superior and Lebanon is garbage, do you think you are making people supporting iran or repelling them? buddy, if i were you i would be more timid in claiming my iranian identity because obviously your cognitive capabilities are not commensurate with your self attributed iranian superior qualities; one good thing iran has superior to the rest is caviar which i personally dont greatly appreciate, for the rest sorry to deceive you, even pakistanis carpets are nowadays better quality than the iranian ones

          12. IraniAngel Avatar

            i challenge you, go ask any one you want in this world. which two countries in the ME are the most competent. the answer would be IrAngel…… and israBELLA… no one would ever consider mentioning others…

          13. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            competent in what? lol; in killing, yep you are right; whatever military and other technology both acquired is thanks to usa which boosted nboth of these countries; i promise you the count back started for both since usa does not need israel anymore and that iran will be part of a package deal

          14. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            is it true you sold your car for gas money

          15. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            waw, how did you know that! i bet you were tipped by someone

          16. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            your momma told me .apparently you lack of smarts is congenital .she once went to a Clippers game to get a haircut

          17. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            no comment

          18. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            ya know very well that iran has many ethnicities in it: sunni, arabic shiites, persian shiites, zooastrians, jews christians…. tell me please how many sunni mosks are there in tehran!!! i presume tehran is few million citizen…. lemme put you in the secrets of gods, the shiite state which will be built will be divided into two parts: one is arabic shiite state and one is persian shiite state……. ask obama, actually you better ask Bush or even betta condolicea rice

          19. IraniAngel Avatar

            no sunnis mosque in tehran means no terror cell in tehran which i am pretty much in favor of.
            you clearly dont know anything about iranian nationalism.. listen honey, belonging to a minority myself i know how much all iranians of all minorities love iran. In iran we are iranian first, then christian, muslim or jew!

          20. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            lol yep in theory but in practise iran is a shia regime until proven otherwise and i reiterate again and again i prefer the shia to the saudi pigs

  14. IraniAngel Avatar
    IraniAngel

    the craziness goes on… well i dont care as long we iranian dont get involved in this mess

    1. Greater Israel is nothing compared to Greater Iran with Iraq, Syria and Lebanon from Persian Gulf to Caspian Sea to Mediterranean Sea. Goodbye free Lebanon.

      1. IraniAngel Avatar

        haha…we iranians want to solve our problems not ADD even more problems and including waste states as lebanon and its like with iran basically means adding problems.

        1. SaifAddawla Avatar
          SaifAddawla

          i donno if you deserve an answer to the waste that you are; first i really doubt you are iranian, second, sorry to deceive you or maybe i am playing your game: Lebanon was and will ALWAYS be a great country in values and certainly in that respect iran is no match; lebanon may have started to appear waste only by the smell the iranians and the saudis brought to it… it is not because iran has weapons and can be destructive that iran is a great country; ya know, in lebnon we call iran (“ayran” that is a double ayr; one for you and one for iran

          1. IraniAngel Avatar

            there is no doubt about my iraniangel nationality. im even more iraniangel than cyrus the great. if any one’s nationality is to be questioned it is yours since the lebanese are in fact in favor of the iraniangel regime which you are not..

          2. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            you are obviously repelling people from supporting iran hence knowingly or unknowingly you are anti iranian; further, even though i myself i am not against iran, i believe that iran will be shuttered into pieces exactly like turkey syria saudi arabia and others; btw, under the actual mullah regime, i dont think anybody would envy iran, maybe under the shah iran was a great country, maybe also in history, exactly like the arabic cultures, used to be great far back in time but far from great in actual time

          3. IraniAngel Avatar

            please tell me how i repel ppl in supporting iran?
            iran into pieces??? never… over ALL iranians dead bodies.
            However in irans case there is light at the end of the tunnel unlike yours. all we have to do is to kick these mollahells back to arabia. unfortunately your solution isnt that easy.

          4. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            Well, one thing i can guarantee you is that the day iran and saudi arabia shutter into pieces Lebanon will be healthy and wealthy again; further, the lebanese factions realised that war is stupid and futile and will not get involved in it certainly not on the lebanese territory; even hizbollah will fight in syria but not on lebanese territory; future movement and assir will fight in syria but not in Lebanon. How are you repelling people from supporting iran? simple, i am pro iran for strategic purposes and you made me do the opposite; isnt that enough reason for you!!!!

          5. IraniAngel Avatar

            do you really support the iranian regime??? are you nuts??? do you know that makes you a criminal genocider!!!

          6. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            really, how so? i am a peaceful free man and by choice i decided to be christian not just because i was born in a christian country and from a christian family but because christiannity makes me free, peaceful and foremost compatible with all other aberrant and abhorrent beliefs; please dont try to trespass my freedom of opinion…suppporting iran politically does not mean supporting any iranian thuglike yourself; there is good and bad in everything(thats why i keep on criticising these bloggers in here who see white ONLY in ONE side ONLY and black ONLY on the OTHER side). nevertheless i reiterate and confirm that you are as much iranian as i am chinese; you are here just to frighten people from iran by claiming to be iranian and behaving like a thug

          7. IraniAngel Avatar

            please get a life

          8. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            lol, did i hit a nerve; i bet 5 arabic camels on your head you are anti iranian

          9. IraniAngel Avatar

            no not really… i’ve just had enough of your sh!t to last me a lifetime

          10. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            time buddy, time is best lie detector; one leaf after the other, one blogger after the other, you are getting denuded losing your feather(s)

          11. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            when you go to a presumably lebanese blog and you tell people in it i am iranian, iran is superior and Lebanon is garbage, do you think you are making people supporting iran or repelling them? buddy, if i were you i would be more timid in claiming my iranian identity because obviously your cognitive capabilities are not commensurate with your self attributed iranian superior qualities; one good thing iran has superior to the rest is caviar which i personally dont greatly appreciate, for the rest sorry to deceive you, even pakistanis carpets are nowadays better quality than the iranian ones

          12. IraniAngel Avatar

            i challenge you, go ask any one you want in this world. which two countries in the ME are the most competent. the answer would be IrAngel…… and israBELLA… no one would ever consider mentioning others…

          13. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            competent in what? lol; in killing, yep you are right; whatever military and other technology both acquired is thanks to usa which boosted nboth of these countries; i promise you the count back started for both since usa does not need israel anymore and that iran will be part of a package deal

          14. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            is it true you sold your car for gas money

          15. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            waw, how did you know that! i bet you were tipped by someone

          16. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            your momma told me .apparently you lack of smarts is congenital .she once went to a Clippers game to get a haircut

          17. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            no comment

          18. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            ya know very well that iran has many ethnicities in it: sunni, arabic shiites, persian shiites, zooastrians, jews christians…. tell me please how many sunni mosks are there in tehran!!! i presume tehran is few million citizen…. lemme put you in the secrets of gods, the shiite state which will be built will be divided into two parts: one is arabic shiite state and one is persian shiite state……. ask obama, actually you better ask Bush or even betta condolicea rice

          19. IraniAngel Avatar

            no sunnis mosque in tehran means no terror cell in tehran which i am pretty much in favor of.
            you clearly dont know anything about iranian nationalism.. listen honey, belonging to a minority myself i know how much all iranians of all minorities love iran. In iran we are iranian first, then christian, muslim or jew!

          20. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            lol yep in theory but in practise iran is a shia regime until proven otherwise and i reiterate again and again i prefer the shia to the saudi pigs

  15. SaifAddawla Avatar
    SaifAddawla

    some people believe they are more powerful because they got a bigger thingy, look at many bloggers in here; actually some smaller thingies are much more performant than bigger ones

    1. man-o-war Avatar

      Hahaha! You still call your penis a thingy? “actually some smaller thingies are much more performant than bigger ones”, just keep telling yourself that. Let me know if that statement still stands when you lose your virginity.

      1. SaifAddawla Avatar
        SaifAddawla

        It seems your thingy is the most prominent and most precious part of you, in short, your most important part. We are not here in a thingy competition but, based on your typing, it appears i got more in my thingy than in your skull

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar

        It’s amazing still, how many people cannot say vagina and penis and gonads and breasts …. in ALL countries the unwillingness to use a proper word is befuddling for sure.
        Now, in his case, ‘Dork’ does it very nicely. 😉
        Maybe he’s playing it ‘Saif’ now …. hahahahaha

        1. SaifAddawla Avatar
          SaifAddawla

          amazing how civilised people still dont wipe their behind in public; oops also amazing how in modern societies people still cover their genital organs; i understand not all of canada is civilised; have you got large jungles there!

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes. But we call them ‘forests’.
            Sometimes, on the periphery, there are also nude beaches.
            It’s a strange and wonderful world … 😉

      3. SaifAddawla Avatar
        SaifAddawla

        you seem to be talking out of experience

    2. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
      tennesseetuxedo59

      you have issues. no im not insulting you im describing you

      1. SaifAddawla Avatar
        SaifAddawla

        sir, you’ve made a great effort to throw on me all your family values that you seem to honour most; sorry that i threw them in the garbage bin since obviously you and i have different values

        1. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
          tennesseetuxedo59

          pathetic how you used your whole vocabulary in 1 sentence

          1. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            no comment!!!

          2. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            at a loss for words lolol lose much

          3. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            iza kana al kalamou min fiddatin fal soukoutou min zahab

          4. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            wo cao ni ba bei zi zu zong boon chon do

        2. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
          tennesseetuxedo59

          cancel my subscriptions , im tired or your issues

          1. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            no comment

          2. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            ha ha i won

          3. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            no comment!!

          4. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            may an long dai cham mui

  16. SaifAddawla Avatar
    SaifAddawla

    some people believe they are more powerful because they got a bigger thingy, look at many bloggers in here; actually some smaller thingies are much more performant than bigger ones

    1. man-o-war Avatar

      Hahaha! You still call your penis a thingy? “actually some smaller thingies are much more performant than bigger ones”, just keep telling yourself that. Let me know if that statement still stands when you lose your virginity.

      1. SaifAddawla Avatar
        SaifAddawla

        It seems your thingy is the most prominent and most precious part of you, in short, your most important part. We are not here in a thingy competition but, based on your typing, it appears i got more in my thingy than in your skull

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar

        It’s amazing still, how many people cannot say vagina and penis and gonads and breasts …. in ALL countries the unwillingness to use a proper word is befuddling for sure.
        Now, in his case, ‘Dork’ does it very nicely. 😉
        Maybe he’s playing it ‘Saif’ now …. hahahahaha

        1. SaifAddawla Avatar
          SaifAddawla

          amazing how civilised people still dont wipe their behind in public; oops also amazing how in modern societies people still cover their genital organs; i understand not all of canada is civilised; have you got large jungles there!

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes. But we call them ‘forests’.

      3. SaifAddawla Avatar
        SaifAddawla

        you seem to be talking out of experience

    2. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
      tennesseetuxedo59

      you have issues. no im not insulting you im describing you

      1. SaifAddawla Avatar
        SaifAddawla

        sir, you’ve made a great effort to throw on me all your family values that you seem to honour most; sorry that i threw them in the garbage bin since obviously you and i have different values

        1. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
          tennesseetuxedo59

          pathetic how you used your whole vocabulary in 1 sentence

          1. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            no comment!!!

          2. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            at a loss for words lolol lose much

          3. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            iza kana al kalamou min fiddatin fal soukoutou min zahab

          4. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            wo cao ni ba bei zi zu zong boon chon do

        2. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
          tennesseetuxedo59

          cancel my subscriptions , im tired or your issues

          1. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            no comment

          2. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            ha ha i won

          3. SaifAddawla Avatar
            SaifAddawla

            no comment!!

          4. tennesseetuxedo59 Avatar
            tennesseetuxedo59

            may an long dai cham mui

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