How did Egypt turn so dark?

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A day of ‘rage’ in Egypt: Fierce clashes erupted across Egypt on Friday as thousands of supporters of ousted president Mohamed Morsi took to the streets in the aftermath of government raids on pro-Morsi protest camps that left hundreds dead.
A day of ‘rage’ in Egypt: Fierce clashes erupted across Egypt on Friday as thousands of supporters of ousted president Mohamed Morsi took to the streets in the aftermath of government raids on pro-Morsi protest camps that left hundreds dead.

By: Shibley Telhami

From millions in Cairo’s Tahrir Square two years ago, revolting against Hosni Mubarak’s repressive rule and chanting “Silmiyya, silmiyya” (peaceful, peaceful), to a bloody Wednesday, with hundreds dead and many more wounded as security forces stormed sit-ins by supporters of ousted president Mohamed Morsi. From a mostly peaceful transition to a violent crackdown. From calls for democracy to a state of emergency.

How did Egypt turn so dark?

Much of Egypt’s crisis comes down to a battle over identity. Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood overestimated the extent to which Egyptians identify with Islam. And now, with their violent repression of the Brotherhood, the generals who ousted Morsi risk underestimating it.

Over the past decade, I’ve conducted opinion polls in Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, and have found two consistent trends. First, citizens identify less and less with their countries and identify more and more with Islam and as Arabs. Second, Egyptians see themselves as the most religious people in the world.

The Muslim Brotherhood, which began the post-Mubarak era with justified confidence in its superior political organization, surely must have interpreted such trends as great support for its cause. (This belief was expressed by the group’s former murshed, or guide, as early as 2006 when he said, “Tuz fi Misr,” roughly, “To hell with Egypt.”) But the group drew the wrong lessons from these trends.

Arabs, like most people, have many contending collective identities, and the weight of each shifts over time; there is rarely a lasting equilibrium. Over the past decade, the rise in people identifying primarily as Muslim was not all or even mostly due to expanding Islamist aspirations. Instead, it resulted mainly from declining identification with the state, thanks to government failings on domestic and foreign policy. Also, the extraordinarily long tenures of individual leaders — Moammar Gaddafi ruled for 42 years and Mubarak for 30 — made it difficult for people to separate state from unpopular ruler. But a vote against something is not the same as a vote in favor of something else.

Moreover, when Islam itself appears under assault from external forces — as Muslims overwhelmingly perceived it to be in the decade after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 — it becomes especially difficult to separate religious identity from popular defiance. You are what you have to defend. For some Egyptians, claiming Islamic identity is about faith, but for many others it is merely about asserting the right to be Muslim and to accept sharia law in the face of Western assault. Muslims do not want to apologize for who they are, for their faith and for all it entails.

Even attitudes about sharia are easily misunderstood. In my May 2012 poll, two-thirds of respondents said they supported making sharia the basis of Egyptian law. But when I probed more deeply, things became less clear: Of those who supported sharia as the basis of law, only 17 percent said they preferred applying it literally, while 83 percent said they favored applying the spirit of sharia but adapted to modern times. Little surprise that Egyptian commentator Muhammad Hassanein Heikal describes Egypt as a “civil-secular country that loves religion.”

For the overwhelming majority of Arabs, as for any broadly defined group, collective aspirations help determine the relative power of identities. When Pan Arabism seemed a more effective vehicle for the attainment of dignity at home and abroad in the 1950s, for instance, a shift toward an Arab identity became evident. Similarly, when Islam appeared to be the better vehicle, a shift occurred in that direction. The moves from one identity to another, from Arab to Egyptian to Muslim, reflect citizens’ assessment of their chances to reach their goals. And if there was anything clear after Morsi’s first year in office, it was that the public’s aspirations were dashed by the government’s domestic and international failures.

Islamists may have also misunderstood Arab attitudes about democracy. When Egyptians are asked which country they would want their own nation to look like, their top choice has been Turkey, a democratic Islamic nation ruled by an Islamist party. And in 2011 and 2012, Egyptians and other Arabs identified Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as the leader they most admired outside their own country.

It is easy to misinterpret such admiration as Arabs seeking only the right mix of Islam and democracy. But the reasons are far more complex, as I found in my polling results. Arabs want a combination of many things that Turkey’s model offered: a country that balances democracy and culture, but also a stable, strong, prosperous nation, and one that makes them feel proud on the world stage. Erdogan, who personally symbolized the mix of Islam and democracy in many Arab minds — at least until the recent upheavals in Turkey — was not selected by Arabs as the favorite leader until he was seen as standing up to Israel on the 2008-09 Gaza war.

Overall, the resonance of political Islam in the Arab world — and in Egypt in particular — has been exaggerated. To win the presidency last year, the Muslim Brotherhood could rely on its political machinery and the disarray of its opponents; it didn’t need to win the hearts of most Egyptians. But as Morsi learned too late, it couldn’t govern without broader public support.

However, if Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood overestimated the Islamists’ appeal, Egypt’s transitional rulers seem ready to dismiss it too easily. Public rejection of the Brotherhood does not translate into an embrace of the generals. Gen. Abdel Fatah al-Sissi’s popularity could be fleeting: Despite the Egyptian public’s long-held admiration of the military as an institution, especially immediately after the revolution, their opinion of the generals changed within months, with only 18 percent of Egyptians polled saying they had advanced the goals of the revolution by May 2012.

It is too early to measure the impact of the bloodshed on the generals’ public support, but the coalition around them has conflicting aims and values, even if they were united against Morsi — and it is beginning to fracture, most notably with the departure of Vice President Mohamed ElBaradei.

It was easy enough to use public disenchantment with Morsi and the muscle of the military to gain power. But in an era of heightened expectations and free-flowing information, a Mubarak-style regime cannot return. It is now impossible to govern Egypt by repressing the Brotherhood and its supporters, who have become indispensable parts of an empowered citizenry.

The bloody path chosen this past week takes Egypt into the unknown. What we do know is that all Egyptians are prepared to pay a price to have their voices heard. If that can no longer happen peacefully, Egypt must brace itself for the violent radicalization that makes democracy impossible.

Shibley Telhami is the Anwar Sadat professor of peace and development at the University of Maryland and a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Saban Center for Middle East Policy. He is the author of “The World Through Arab Eyes: Arab Public Opinion and the Reshaping of the Middle East.”

First published in the Washington Post

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42 responses to “How did Egypt turn so dark?”

  1. Fauzia45 Avatar

    Religious radicalism and extremism with its own comprehensive view of everything and which does not accept the others and their views ,systems ,values etc,,will ^turn ^ any country^so dark^!!!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      “Egyptians see themselves as the most religious people in the world.”
      Which, of course, is the problem with ALL the religious … and why religion and democracy don’t mix … and why secular laws in governments can do much better with relating to ‘equality’ and ‘freedom of thought’ for ALL humans … if the people can also be educated AND allowed to vote for that. It’s a long road, and what everyone likes to describe as ‘the west’ still works on it too.
      Churchill described it as ‘the best system we have come up with so far’ … and we’re still not at the end of the road.

      1. Fauzia45 Avatar

        That s right,,,^if the people can also be educated…^and that is the problem!!!!

    2. LEOPOLD NDI Avatar
      LEOPOLD NDI

      like on ya libnan

  2. Fauzia45 Avatar

    Religious radicalism and extremism with its own comprehensive view of everything and which does not accept the others and their views ,systems ,values etc,,will ^turn ^ any country^so dark^!!!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      “Egyptians see themselves as the most religious people in the world.”
      Which, of course, is the problem with ALL the religions … and why religion and democracy don’t mix … and why secular laws in governments can do much better with relating to ‘equality’ and ‘freedom of thought’ for ALL humans … if the people can also be educated AND allowed to vote for that. It’s a long road, and what everyone likes to describe as ‘the west’ still works on it too.

      1. Fauzia45 Avatar

        That s right,,,^if the people can also be educated…^and that is the problem!!!!

    2. LEOPOLD NDI Avatar
      LEOPOLD NDI

      like on ya libnan

  3. Hannibal Avatar

    “civil-secular country that loves religion”… That is pure schizophrenia. “Arabs seeking only the right mix of Islam and democracy”… You cannot have it both ways, this is a confused nation.

    You can choose humanity or Islam… There is no grey area as Islam is intolerant.

    1. LEOPOLD NDI Avatar
      LEOPOLD NDI

      i am back ,fuck them all dirty b… of censors
      for how long?

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        Not long with that language, I’d say … ;-)))

        1. LEOPOLD NDI Avatar
          LEOPOLD NDI

          SO U BECOME A CENSOR TOO, YOU SPEAK LIKE A POLITICIAN NOW AND GHARAM MUST BE PROUD OF WHAT HE DID OF YOU

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            He didn’t bring any scotch … don’t worry. ;-)))

      2. Who in is the hell are you? Now what is your question?

  4. Hannibal Avatar

    “civil-secular country that loves religion”… That is pure schizophrenia. “Arabs seeking only the right mix of Islam and democracy”… You cannot have it both ways, this is a confused nation.

    You can choose humanity or Islam… There is no grey area as Islam is intolerant.

    1. LEOPOLD NDI Avatar
      LEOPOLD NDI

      i am back ,fuck them all dirty b… of censors
      for how long?

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        Not long with that language, I’d say … ;-)))

        1. LEOPOLD NDI Avatar
          LEOPOLD NDI

          SO U BECOME A CENSOR TOO, YOU SPEAK LIKE A POLITICIAN NOW AND GHARAM MUST BE PROUD OF WHAT HE DID OF YOU

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            He didn’t bring any scotch … don’t worry. ;-)))

      2. Who in is the hell are you? Now what is your question?

  5. Hannibal Avatar

    Vote up for man 1 or vote down for man 2… Come on ladies.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Tee Hee … you know 1 is the one … he cuddles animals too. ;-)))

    2. I like both.

    3. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
      Maborlz Ez-Hari

      Even the kalb gets my vote before no.2

  6. Hannibal Avatar

    Vote up for man 1 or vote down for man 2… Come on ladies.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Tee Hee … you know 1 is the one … he cuddles animals too. ;-)))

    2. I like both.

    3. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
      Maborlz Ez-Hari

      Even the kalb gets my vote before no.2

  7. LEOPOLD NDI Avatar
    LEOPOLD NDI

    EGYPTIEN ARE THE MOST RELIGIOUS PEOPLE IN THE WORLD,SO YOU HAVE CONDUCT A SURVEY IN ANY COUNTRY OF THE WORLD? WHY YOU ARABS YOU CAN NOT STICK TO REASON WHEN YOU SPEAK

  8. LEOPOLD NDI Avatar
    LEOPOLD NDI

    EGYPTIEN ARE THE MOST RELIGIOUS PEOPLE IN THE WORLD,SO YOU HAVE CONDUCT A SURVEY IN ANY COUNTRY OF THE WORLD? WHY YOU ARABS YOU CAN NOT STICK TO REASON WHEN YOU SPEAK

  9. #Egypt: #America is pushing #Russia to Improve the Image of the New Regime and Stabilize the American Foothold in Egypt

    The Egyptian-Russian Courtship is but an Attempt to Pull the Wool over People’s Eyes.

    America is pushing the Russians to Improve the Image of the New Regime and Stabilize the American Foothold in Egypt

    Russian President Vladimir Putin in a telephone call conducted on Saturday 16/11/2013 with the Egyptian Interim President Adli Mansour said: “His country supports Egypt and the transitional administration, which represents the will of the Egyptian people in the wake of the 30th-June-Revolution.” The Russian Varyag Cruiser arrived at to the Alexandria port on Monday morning 11/11/2013 amid official reception of the Egyptian Navy with an all due military ceremony, followed by visits of the Russian Secretary of State and Defense Minister, Sergei Lavrov and Sergei Shoigu, respectively to Cairo on 13 and 14/11/2013. The Egyptian courtship of the Russians became clear in a statement by Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil Fahmy, who said in a joint press conference with Russian Foreign Minister: Russia “is not a substitute for anyone” in the international relations of Cairo because it is “bigger than that”.

    Then on Thursday 14/11/2013 began the session of official Egyptian and Russian military talks between Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, Minister of Defense and Military Production, and Sergei Shoigu, Russian Defense Minister, to discuss aspects of bilateral cooperation between the two countries, especially with regard to military cooperation. The spokeswoman of the U.S. State Department, Jen Psaki, avoided answering a question on the rumors about Egypt’s intention to sign a military agreements with Russia during the upcoming visit of the Russian delegation to Cairo, but stressed that the United States continue their efforts to support the Egyptian economy.

    The generals of the putschist regime tried to portray the matter as an attempt of emancipation from American hegemony over Egypt, accompanied by applause and crows of the masses. We must all understand that the Russian movements in our region after the demise of the Soviet Union are movements in agreement and coordination with the United States and are simply a preamble to America. America is the one pushing the Russians to improve the image of the new regime to increase its stability, thereby settling American feet in Egypt.

    We say: The Russian position in supporting the tyrant of ah-Sham is a well-known matter, as well as massacres against Muslims in the Caucasus, especially Chechnya, and the destruction of mosques in Kazan, and the arrest of the Imams in Tatarstan, even killing some of them as well as the arrest of the carriers of Islam. All this proves that Russia is an enemy to us just like America, which does not bring along any goodness. Applauding the Egyptian regime for this visit clearly demonstrates its indifference towards the issues of the Ummah and the matters of Islam and Muslims. It does not care but for the installation of its pillars and polishing its deformed, ugly image in front of people.

    Russia, America, Britain and other Kufr countries do not care the least about the blood of the people of Egypt. They care about their interests, and only their interests. These countries do not seek to protect us, rather we see them trading with the blood of our brothers in Syria, morning and evening. All of these countries do not bring us except poison and venom. We will all find healing and relief for our hearts and our injuries by turning towards the application of Allah’s Shariah within the Khilafah system as enjoined by Allah, the Lord of the Worlds. Only the Khilafah will cut off the extremities of America and all Kufr countries not only from Egypt, but from all other Muslim countries.

    وَنُرِيدُ أَنْ نَمُنَّ عَلَى الَّذِينَ اسْتُضْعِفُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَنَجْعَلَهُمْ أَئِمَّةً وَنَجْعَلَهُمُ الْوَارِثِينَ

    “We desired to show kindness to those who were oppressed in the land and to make them leaders and make them inheritors”
    (Al-Qasas: 5)

  10. #Egypt: #America is pushing #Russia to Improve the Image of the New Regime and Stabilize the American Foothold in Egypt

    The Egyptian-Russian Courtship is but an Attempt to Pull the Wool over People’s Eyes.

    America is pushing the Russians to Improve the Image of the New Regime and Stabilize the American Foothold in Egypt

    Russian President Vladimir Putin in a telephone call conducted on Saturday 16/11/2013 with the Egyptian Interim President Adli Mansour said: “His country supports Egypt and the transitional administration, which represents the will of the Egyptian people in the wake of the 30th-June-Revolution.” The Russian Varyag Cruiser arrived at to the Alexandria port on Monday morning 11/11/2013 amid official reception of the Egyptian Navy with an all due military ceremony, followed by visits of the Russian Secretary of State and Defense Minister, Sergei Lavrov and Sergei Shoigu, respectively to Cairo on 13 and 14/11/2013. The Egyptian courtship of the Russians became clear in a statement by Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil Fahmy, who said in a joint press conference with Russian Foreign Minister: Russia “is not a substitute for anyone” in the international relations of Cairo because it is “bigger than that”.

    Then on Thursday 14/11/2013 began the session of official Egyptian and Russian military talks between Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, Minister of Defense and Military Production, and Sergei Shoigu, Russian Defense Minister, to discuss aspects of bilateral cooperation between the two countries, especially with regard to military cooperation. The spokeswoman of the U.S. State Department, Jen Psaki, avoided answering a question on the rumors about Egypt’s intention to sign a military agreements with Russia during the upcoming visit of the Russian delegation to Cairo, but stressed that the United States continue their efforts to support the Egyptian economy.

    The generals of the putschist regime tried to portray the matter as an attempt of emancipation from American hegemony over Egypt, accompanied by applause and crows of the masses. We must all understand that the Russian movements in our region after the demise of the Soviet Union are movements in agreement and coordination with the United States and are simply a preamble to America. America is the one pushing the Russians to improve the image of the new regime to increase its stability, thereby settling American feet in Egypt.

    We say: The Russian position in supporting the tyrant of ah-Sham is a well-known matter, as well as massacres against Muslims in the Caucasus, especially Chechnya, and the destruction of mosques in Kazan, and the arrest of the Imams in Tatarstan, even killing some of them as well as the arrest of the carriers of Islam. All this proves that Russia is an enemy to us just like America, which does not bring along any goodness. Applauding the Egyptian regime for this visit clearly demonstrates its indifference towards the issues of the Ummah and the matters of Islam and Muslims. It does not care but for the installation of its pillars and polishing its deformed, ugly image in front of people.

    Russia, America, Britain and other Kufr countries do not care the least about the blood of the people of Egypt. They care about their interests, and only their interests. These countries do not seek to protect us, rather we see them trading with the blood of our brothers in Syria, morning and evening. All of these countries do not bring us except poison and venom. We will all find healing and relief for our hearts and our injuries by turning towards the application of Allah’s Shariah within the Khilafah system as enjoined by Allah, the Lord of the Worlds. Only the Khilafah will cut off the extremities of America and all Kufr countries not only from Egypt, but from all other Muslim countries.

    وَنُرِيدُ أَنْ نَمُنَّ عَلَى الَّذِينَ اسْتُضْعِفُوا فِي الْأَرْضِ وَنَجْعَلَهُمْ أَئِمَّةً وَنَجْعَلَهُمُ الْوَارِثِينَ

    “We desired to show kindness to those who were oppressed in the land and to make them leaders and make them inheritors”
    (Al-Qasas: 5)

  11. Hostile Brothers!

    Oh Muslims in the Land of #Egypt:
    Your enemies, led by America and its allies and their followers, have succeeded in portraying the issue as if it were between Islam and Kufr, although all of you are Muslim … They have also succeeded in portraying the issue as if it were between the Islamic State and a secular state, whilst none of these rulers, neither the former nor the subsequent, have applied Islam and ruled by it … Finally they have succeeded in dividing you into two sects, each of who barricades behind a thick and solid wall of hostility against the other, even though for centuries you have lived as loving brothers. Islam safeguards your rights, without distinction between red and black, nor between man and woman, nor between Muslim and non-Muslim. When the Messenger of Allah (saw) advised the Muslims in Egypt in goodness he (saw) simultaneously advised them in mercy for the Copts…

    النسخة العربية

    1. They’re all sunnis …what does that tell you?

      1. A century of oppression has taken a negative toll on the people, I pray that they can pull themselves together.

  12. Hostile Brothers!

    Oh Muslims in the Land of #Egypt:
    Your enemies, led by America and its allies and their followers, have succeeded in portraying the issue as if it were between Islam and Kufr, although all of you are Muslim … They have also succeeded in portraying the issue as if it were between the Islamic State and a secular state, whilst none of these rulers, neither the former nor the subsequent, have applied Islam and ruled by it … Finally they have succeeded in dividing you into two sects, each of who barricades behind a thick and solid wall of hostility against the other, even though for centuries you have lived as loving brothers. Islam safeguards your rights, without distinction between red and black, nor between man and woman, nor between Muslim and non-Muslim. When the Messenger of Allah (saw) advised the Muslims in Egypt in goodness he (saw) simultaneously advised them in mercy for the Copts…

    النسخة العربية

    1. They’re all sunnis …what does that tell you?

      1. A century of oppression has taken a negative toll on the people, I pray that they can pull themselves together.

  13. 5thDrawer Avatar

    How?? They had an Aoun family-member running the electric company. :-)))))

    1. No wonder why they have power !!!!

  14. 5thDrawer Avatar

    How?? They had an Aoun family-member running the electric company. :-)))))

    1. No wonder why they have power !!!!

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