Russian ships transferring Hezbollah fighters to Syria: Idris

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42 responses to “Russian ships transferring Hezbollah fighters to Syria: Idris”

1. 

   AntiFSA

   July 25, 2013

   Idriss needs to accept the fact that the war was lost from the beginning.

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   1. 

      5thDrawer

      July 25, 2013

      In the beginning it wasn’t a war. Assad created it from some small demonstrations.
      And by now, YOU know that … but you won’t lay down either. :-))

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      1. 

         AntiFSA

         July 25, 2013

         5th, you and I have been down this path in the past. You have your views and I have mine. Do you really want to go at it again. :))

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      2. 

         dateam

         July 25, 2013

         No get a reality check 5th and look around you as to whats going on…assad was always assad but the other side allowed it to become what it has become….who is in charge of the rebels? Idriss do you think? Or the alqaeda affiliated groups? Weve seen election after election of the so called opposition and now the saudis have put in charge a guy who was previously jailed for drugs and running prostitution rings….Some times i think i wish assad did fall so that certain people can finally understand the sort of araf in syria now which mind you has been backed by the west and gcc and lebanese politicians ( which still is ) and that was WAY before hzb got involved. In tripoli yesterday they blocked off streets and started shooting in the air because the army arrested 6 nusra members. The other day your so called rebels opened fire on a christian and armenian convoy travelling along the only highway that has been left open killing a woman. You can forget ever getting a sun tan in tripoli 5th.

         General Salim Idris, the head of the rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA) accused Russia of using its ships in the Mediterranean to transfer Hezbollah fighters from Beirut , Lebanon directly to the mostly Alawite province of Tartus in western Syria.” I mean seriously how many times has the russian navy docked at beiruts port? What are they running a taxi service? Salim idris talks about everything except what is really happening because he has no control over it.

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         1. 

            5thDrawer

            July 25, 2013

            I agree .. it’s as much of a cock-up as a wanna-be-politician named Weiner. 😉
            I was only talking about the beginning with Anti who never saw that part. :-)))
            And after about 4 months, no-one else wanted to either. They wanted to get into the act with their own ‘pet-peeves’ and megalomanias, while Assad just carried on bombing people.
            (And Tripoli has lots of idiots in it.)

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            1. 

               dateam

               July 25, 2013

               At first I was against hzb going into qusar…but look around you as to whats happening…fact is the area from a lebanese perspective is now quiet…people have returned to their homes…the army couldnt do it because they were tied up fighting those elements along the border…6 of our troops were killed in arsal with noone held accountable? When is enough enough? Its not about a certain political view or taking a side. As a lebanese citrizen its about what makes us safer…..Why does the media especially sites like this ignore the reality of whats happening? Even you dont acknowledge it. These are the same elements that attacked OUR army in arsal and saida yet it took for the army to be dragged in front of a tribunal and show the m14 leaders what exactly happened for them to finally shut up…yet bahia hariri is funding the lawyers for these perpetrators? Syria is beyond a cock up its heading to the abyss and unfortunately if certain elements there win then we are next do not be naive…its not democracy thats coming to syria its a wanna be caliphate…..nusra have already stated there will be no elections….fsa and nusra fighting…now kurds fighting nusra…..pakistan taliban recently acknowledged they have sent fighters…noone can hold them back…turkey is tied up with its own problems now as to iraq…. look outside the square and you will see a reality that unfortunately scares the hell out of any sane person.
            2. 

               5thDrawer

               July 25, 2013

               Those are all the other megalomaniacs I was talking about. I see it. A cohesive Syria would have kept them at bay instead of creating refugees. And yes, it IS now scary after 3 years. What do you want me to say? That poor Assad had no choice but to start killing?
               Look at Egypt now … why could Assad’s army not do what Egypt’s has? Which was to back off, give the uneducated people a chance, then if proven incapable simply send them to detention and let them consider for a moment before trying again? There is a huge difference in the respect the armies of these countries have. Why? Is it only because the Egyptian one will ‘make’ peace one way or another? Or is it that it has the respect?
               Lebanon’s army has more respect than Assad’s did in Lebanon – because they are more respectful as soldiers to ‘the people’ in Lebanon than Assad’s ever were … but at the same time everyone dumps on them. Why is that? What ‘legacy’ did Assad leave behind when his army pulled out? Why is a ‘militia’ that constantly provokes ‘the enemy to the south’ considered wonderful for Lebanon and ‘more powerful’ than it’s army, when it can’t drag the votes of the people? Does Lebanon need to have it’s army drag the useless politicians out of the building first before gaining that fearful-respect which Nasty has with his guns, but the majority feel they can’t trust to run the place either?
               This IS Assad’s legacy, this Lebanon. A country of refugees left behind by most Lebanese. Some Syrians also tried for some ‘say’ in Syria – as Lebanon’s do now in little groups on the streets – for that elusive democracy which works better for most in it by an equality of individuals – and we now have the results, which – YES – creep steadily across the porous never-established border into the Lebanon which is touted to have a democracy – but maintains the sectarian idiocy by ‘forces’ which are not at all like Egypt’s army – working ‘for’ a country.
               I think the FSA of Idris has done well considering all the ‘no-help’ they had.
               I think the LAF has done well considering the same factors.
               And I agree that the infiltration of the countries by all the other ‘forces’ of sectarian megalomaniacs is a very scary thing for the average and majority citizens of Lebanon and Syria. The fear is palpable in some places – like Tripoli for example. Or in the refugee ‘camps’. Or, as it was, in Assad’s Syria.
               So … when a small group gathers in a square to ‘protest’ something, listen to them. Don’t beat their heads in and shoot them before they can even open their mouths. Something they say may be beneficial to think about as the world changes and as the people change all the time. But anarchists of any stripe looking only to engage by force need to be taken out if a country wishes to not look like Beirut did or Syria does after ‘wars’.
               Who indeed is dropping or placing bombs … everywhere. Do we follow that example, in fear, only in faint hope of living longer? Is that a ‘life’?
            3. 

               dateam

               July 25, 2013

               Egypt is totally different….
         2. 

            5thDrawer

            July 25, 2013

            War-ships don’t dock at Beirut. But a little further up the coast a few years ago ….

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            1. 

               dateam

               July 25, 2013

               ooff that was a year ago? are they russian? or are they some other country dropping off weapons to the north? I mean someone is also supplying the other side are they not?
            2. 

               5thDrawer

               July 25, 2013

               Might be American supplying LAF … who knows? I can’t say. News reporting is so vague and there’s not many sun-bathers there in Sept (weird because I swam near Tripoli in Sept and found it lovely) … I just see it happened, and know it could anytime on any beach probably by any ‘supplier’, and no-one would twitch.
         3. 

            MekensehParty

            July 25, 2013

            You guys twisted reality so much that you now live in total delusion.
            but reality is coming, and you’ll only be more shocked since you blinded yourself for so long.
            Those salafists you talk about are the same that you (as an assad sympathizer) and assad and his click smuggled in and out of Iraq to kill US soldiers, gave them safe havens in Syria and Palestinian camps in Lebanon… now that they are using those same tunnels you dug for them to cross to Iraq and Lebanon, to cross into Syria to fight the likes of you, you call them terrorists. Hahahaha
            Serves you all well.
            Blame the West as much as you want, who cares what you think and who takes seriously your conspiracy theories. Soon you will be running for your life and where will you try to go? the West!
            Let the Russians pack and take all these valiant fighters, they’re returning in bags or worse, thrown in some ditch in a foreign land without even a plate with their names.
            Pray that Idriss will be the one in charge once that half-wit in Damascus falls. He’s a military man and a secular… because if your old friends get the upper hand in the fight you morons are returning to the caves you should have never left.

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            1. 

               dateam

               July 25, 2013

               Thanks for proving my point…here in lies the problem the minute someone disagrees with your warped mentality then the ignorance comes out with the sectarianism and cheap insults…get an education my friend and learn what the real world is like especially when it comes to politics…now your going to tell us nusra and alqaeda are fighting in syria for democracy…and assir was right to to attack the army who caught him.smashed him into the wilderness and found him leaving behind enough explosives in his mosque to take out half of beirut? Or you are going to tell us it was ok to kill leb soldiers in arsal because they were in your way while you were fighting for democracy…You have not understood a single word i have said. In case you havent been watching the news your heros are now fighting each other…nusra fighting fsa and kurds fighting nusra…..keep going hip hip hooray….
            2. 

               MekensehParty

               July 25, 2013

               I never called them heroes, none of them, while you called them heroes when you were helping them kill the US “invader” and now are calling them terrorists (which is what they are from the beginning) when they are killing the likes of you.
               The “insults” I wrote are nothing compared to your words constantly insulting people’s intelligence.
               I never supported Assir, I just explained how Assir, and thanks to Hezbollah banishing sunni moderates from Lebanon left the sunni street thirsty for a leader with balls, and Assir came to fill the gap. As to him shooting on the “army” we read the truth in real reports, not the local poetry and eulogies to the army by the Lebanese media.
               As for the explosives and weapons found in Assir’s mosque they are nothing but a tiny percentage of what Hezbollah has. and don’t bs me that Hezbollah’s weapons are to fight the Israelis, since 2006, you haven’t shot one bullet at an Israeli but a ton of bullets on Lebanese and Syrians. I don’t see you worried about that and I know why, you’re just another chabih who has weapons and ready to use them on other Lebanese who don’t. but till when? bombs, rockets are hitting your areas of influence, those security squares that you’re so proud of, and soon they will spread and good luck controlling all that when thanks to your camp the country is without a government, a semi-official parliament, an FSI chief, soon an army chief, and soon a president. There is no longer one institution working in Lebanon simply because Hezbollah erased them to become the sole captain of the ship.
               Ruminate on that and try to come back with something worth saying!
            3. 

               5thDrawer

               July 25, 2013

               Electricity. Don’t forget electricity. 😉
            4. 

               dateam

               July 25, 2013

               Again your ignorance flourishes, if you read my posts carefully you would see i am simply analysing and questioning…the fact that you have said what you have shows your lack of understanding…where did i call anyone a hero? Im the biggest skeptic you will ever meet i question everything from everyone…maybe thats what you have a problem with…to accuse me of being a shabiha simply because you might not agree with me is the very concept of why this country cannot progress…and if i was a shabiha what the frig would i be doing on a site like this…read the news carefully brother and follow what is happening…its 2013 and you are stuck in a time wharp. Now lets look at what you have said…To state that assir did what he did because of the hzb is beyond logic. Are you trying to tell me that assir attacked the army because the hzb has weapons? They have had weapons long before assir was on the seen….assir has been show poning around for some time…he went to qusar and put himself on youtube and called for jihad long before hzb went in…again you are talking sectarian that does not interest me because im not sectarian i dont care what a person is…those that bring up sectarianism are in fact the sectarians….stop crying because you dont like whats said or things dont go your way….what sunni moderates has hzb banished from lebanon? As far as i can see there is m14 and m8 …to me both in the same pot…there are sunni,shiites,christians and druze in both parties so again i dont understand your logic? What you should be saying is that sunni leaders have let down their people and allowed the fundamentalists to gain momentum and that was evident in protests over assir in tripoli when they tore down hariris picture and replaced it with assirs….that was also evident 2 days ago when the army arrested 2 nusra members in tripoli and people blocked off the roads and started to demonstrate….i ask you what did nthe killing of our troops in arsal have to do with the syrian revolution and fight for democracy? That was also before hzb got involved in qusar was it not? Im simply implying that idriss does not have control over events on the ground….getting back to this article for him to imply that the russian navy is funnelling fighters for assad from beirut to lattaki does not make sense? where is the evidence? i dont recall russian ships docking in beirut since i think about 6 months ago?
            5. 

               MekensehParty

               July 26, 2013

               I’ve said it and repeat it, I let you talk to prove my point.
               1- Assir did indeed attack the army because the hezb has weapons. The army had nothing to do being in the middle. The army should be applying the same standards on all Lebanese, not one group (HA) cruising in their black vans full of weapons wherever they want unchecked, and all other Lebanese cannot do the same. Assir did what the Black Panthers did in the US. They have the right to bear weapons for “defense”, I have the right to bear weapons for defense too. The army came and joined one camp against the other, who shot on who? There has not been a clear report taking both sides into account on what happened so far in that minute between calm and mayhem. You run to accuse Assir of opening fire, yet after an international tribunal told you that the suspects in Hariri’s murder are Hezbollah, you still refuse to acknowledge that these “resistance” explosives are being used in your capital to blow people.
               2- Assir is the direct reaction of the sunni street that has been bullied for too long by Hezbollah. A clone of Assir will come forward soon among the christians and possibly the druze and some shia, and certainly many clones of Assir will appear among the sunnis because words and talks have no effect on HA, only weapons can face their weapons.
               3- What sunni moderates have been banished by HA you ask? really? hahahah. Not only banished, but sent to the ether I might add… (How do you want to be taken seriously if you don’t agree or recognize the basic truth)
               4- Arsal kind of same as 1, Hezbollah come and go as they please undisturbed by the army, crossing the border bringing and sending weapons and explosives… why not the people of Arsal? When the army gets involved on one side against the other it will be shot at, as simple as that. (PS: Hezbollah also shoots on the army if it gets involved in their operations, the army only knows better not to…). This is what the army has to do with the Syrian revolution, they let HA go and come as they please and want to crack down on others…
               5- the hezb has been involved from day 1 in the Syrian revolution, only the members were under the Syrian command before and when that crumbled, Hezbollah sent troops under its own command.
               6- Idriss is a name that you will hear a lot from now on. You might think he has no control over events but he’s the only cash cow today after al-nusra and the MB funding from Turkey and Qatar has dried. I’ll leave it for the future to show how this guy will rise and how much he controls the rebels.
               7- By Russian ships he doesn’t mean military ships, but regular ships transporting weapons and personnel from Beirut to lattakia… I don’t see why it’s confusing? He needs a proof sure, but would a proof convince you anyway?
            6. 

               dateam

               July 26, 2013

               1. Gaining national prominence, the Black Panther Party became an icon of the counterculture of the 1960s.[7] Ultimately, the
               Panthers condemned black nationalism as “black racism” and became more focused
               on socialism without racial exclusivity.[8] They instituted a
               variety of community social programs designed to alleviate poverty, improve
               health among inner city black communities, and soften the Party’s public
               image.[9] The Black
               Panther Party’s most widely known programs were its armed citizens’ patrols to
               evaluate behavior of police officers and its Free Breakfast for Children
               program. However, the group’s political goals were often overshadowed by the
               supposed criminality of members and their confrontational, militant, and violent tactics against
               police.[9] [10][11]

               Federal Bureau of Investigation
               Director J. Edgar
               Hoover called the party “the greatest threat to the internal security of the
               country,”[12] and he supervised
               an extensive program (COINTELPRO) of surveillance, infiltration, perjury, police harassment, assassination,[13] and
               many other tactics designed to undermine Panther leadership, incriminate party
               members and drain the organization of resources and manpower. Through these
               tactics, Hoover hoped to diminish the Party’s threat to the general power
               structure of the U.S., or even maintain its influence as a strong
               undercurrent.[14]
               Angela Davis, Ward Churchill, and
               others have alleged that federal, state and local law enforcement officials went
               to great lengths to discredit and destroy the organization, including
               assassination.[15][16][17] Black Panther
               Party membership reached a peak of 10,000 by early 1969, then suffered a series
               of contractions due to legal troubles, incarcerations, internal splits,
               expulsions and defections. Popular support for the Party declined further after
               reports appeared detailing the group’s involvement in illegal activities such as
               drug dealing and extortion schemes
               directed against Oakland merchants.[18] By 1972 most
               Panther activity centered around the national headquarters and a school in
               Oakland, where the party continued to influence local politics. Party
               contractions continued throughout the 1970s; by 1980 the Black Panther Party
               comprised just 27 members.[19]… NO EXCUSE FOR ATTACKING THE ARMY. The international tribunal has told us nothing yet…first it was the syrians that did it…then it wasnt and hariri visited assad and slept at his place like nothing happened…then it accused 4 shiites not hezbollah ( check the records im not making this up ) it did not accuse hezbollah. If it had directly accused hezbollah i think it would not have been idle for so long…and in between all this weve had false witnesses and 4 judges resign.

               2. I thinbk the sunni street is more frustrated with its own leaders than anyone else just look around the entire middle east and its plain to see…more sunnis are killing sunnis than anyone else? I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to clone themselves on a twit like assir….or maybe you think more artists will become like fadel shaker?

               3. name me sunnis that have been banished by hezbollah? I stated m14 and m8 has all sects represented so stop making it sectarian….you remind me of when ziad baroud resigned from the interior ministry he said mustaqbal are impossible to work with because whenever something happens they cry the sectarian game.

               4. Again for you to justify the killing of our army troops is tantamount to treason. NO EXCUSE.

               5. Both sides have been involved from the start so dont cry when things dont go your way…if its game on then both sides have to accept their fate.

               6.What control does idriss have when nusra and fsa are now battling each other for control?

               7.Did idriss personally tell you what he meant by what sort of russian ships are involved?
            7. 

               5thDrawer

               July 26, 2013

               I don’t really get the Panther connection in the philosophy … but maybe they should have run over the border to attack Mexican drug lords, or something?
               … hmmm … 😉
            8. 

               dateam

               July 27, 2013

               Neither do I thats why i put in a brief history of it….maybe he was thinking of the pink panther?
2. 

   AntiFSA

   July 25, 2013

   Idriss needs to accept the fact that the war was lost from the beginning.

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   1. 

      5thDrawer

      July 25, 2013

      In the beginning it wasn’t a war. Assad created it from some small demonstrations.
      And by now, YOU know that … but you won’t lay down either. :-))

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         AntiFSA

         July 25, 2013

         5th, you and I have been down this path in the past. You have your views and I have mine. Do you really want to go at it again. :))

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         dateam

         July 25, 2013

         No get a reality check 5th and look around you as to whats going on…assad was always assad but the other side allowed it to become what it has become….who is in charge of the rebels? Idriss do you think? Or the alqaeda affiliated groups? Weve seen election after election of the so called opposition and now the saudis have put in charge a guy who was previously jailed for drugs and running prostitution rings….Some times i think i wish assad did fall so that certain people can finally understand the sort of araf in syria now which mind you has been backed by the west and gcc and lebanese politicians ( which still is ) and that was WAY before hzb got involved. In tripoli yesterday they blocked off streets and started shooting in the air because the army arrested 6 nusra members. The other day your so called rebels opened fire on a christian and armenian convoy travelling along the only highway that has been left open killing a woman. You can forget ever getting a sun tan in tripoli 5th.

         General Salim Idris, the head of the rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA) accused Russia of using its ships in the Mediterranean to transfer Hezbollah fighters from Beirut , Lebanon directly to the mostly Alawite province of Tartus in western Syria.” I mean seriously how many times has the russian navy docked at beiruts port? What are they running a taxi service? Salim idris talks about everything except what is really happening because he has no control over it.

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         1. 

            5thDrawer

            July 25, 2013

            I agree .. it’s as much of a cock-up as a wanna-be-politician named Weiner. 😉
            I was only talking about the beginning with Anti who never saw that part. :-)))

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            1. 

               dateam

               July 25, 2013

               At first I was against hzb going into qusar…but look around you as to whats happening…fact is the area from a lebanese perspective is now quiet…people have returned to their homes…the army couldnt do it because they were tied up fighting those elements along the border…6 of our troops were killed in arsal with noone held accountable? When is enough enough? Its not about a certain political view or taking a side. As a lebanese citrizen its about what makes us safer…..Why does the media especially sites like this ignore the reality of whats happening? Even you dont acknowledge it. These are the same elements that attacked OUR army in arsal and saida yet it took for the army to be dragged in front of a tribunal and show the m14 leaders what exactly happened for them to finally shut up…yet bahia hariri is funding the lawyers for these perpetrators? Syria is beyond a cock up its heading to the abyss and unfortunately if certain elements there win then we are next do not be naive…its not democracy thats coming to syria its a wanna be caliphate…..nusra have already stated there will be no elections….fsa and nusra fighting…now kurds fighting nusra…..pakistan taliban recently acknowledged they have sent fighters…noone can hold them back…turkey is tied up with its own problems now as to iraq…. look outside the square and you will see a reality that unfortunately scares the hell out of any sane person.
            2. 

               5thDrawer

               July 25, 2013

               Those are all the other megalomaniacs I was talking about. I see it. A cohesive Syria would have kept them at bay instead of creating refugees. And yes, it IS now scary after 3 years. What do you want me to say? That poor Assad had no choice but to start killing?
               Look at Egypt now … why could Assad’s army not do what Egypt’s has? Which was to back off, give the uneducated people a chance, then if proven incapable simply send them to detention and let them consider for a moment before trying again? There is a huge difference in the respect the armies of these countries have. Why? Is it only because the Egyptian one will ‘make’ peace one way or another? Or is it that it has the respect?
               Lebanon’s army has more respect than Assad’s did in Lebanon – because they are more respectful as soldiers to ‘the people’ in Lebanon than Assad’s ever were … but at the same time everyone dumps on them. Why is that? What ‘legacy’ did Assad leave behind when his army pulled out? Why is a ‘militia’ that constantly provokes ‘the enemy to the south’ considered wonderful for Lebanon and ‘more powerful’ than it’s army, when it can’t drag the votes of the people? Does Lebanon need to have it’s army drag the useless politicians out of the building first before gaining that fearful-respect which Nasty has with his guns, but the majority feel they can’t trust to run the place either?
               This IS Assad’s legacy, this Lebanon. A country of refugees left behind by most Lebanese. Some Syrians also tried for some ‘say’ in Syria – as Lebanon’s do now in little groups on the streets – for that elusive democracy which works better for most in it by an equality of individuals – and we now have the results, which – YES – creep steadily across the porous never-established border into the Lebanon which is touted to have a democracy – but maintains the sectarian idiocy by ‘forces’ which are not at all like Egypt’s army – working ‘for’ a country.
               I think the FSA of Idris has done well considering all the ‘no-help’ they had.
               I think the LAF has done well considering the same factors.
               And I agree that the infiltration of the countries by all the other ‘forces’ of sectarian megalomaniacs is a very scary thing for the average and majority citizens of Lebanon and Syria. The fear is palpable in some places – like Tripoli for example. Or in the refugee ‘camps’. Or, as it was, in Assad’s Syria.
               So … when a small group gathers in a square to ‘protest’ something, listen to them. Don’t beat their heads in and shoot them before they can even open their mouths. Something they say may be beneficial to think about as the world changes and as the people change all the time. But anarchists of any stripe looking only to engage by force need to be taken out if a country wishes to not look like Beirut did or Syria does after ‘wars’.
               Who indeed is dropping or placing bombs … everywhere. Do we follow that example, in fear, only in faint hope of living longer? Is that a ‘life’?
            3. 

               dateam

               July 25, 2013

               Egypt is totally different….
         2. 

            5thDrawer

            July 25, 2013

            War-ships don’t dock at Beirut. But a little further up the coast a few years ago ….

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               dateam

               July 25, 2013

               ooff that was a year ago? are they russian? or are they some other country dropping off weapons to the north? I mean someone is also supplying the other side are they not?
            2. 

               5thDrawer

               July 25, 2013

               Might be American supplying LAF … who knows? I can’t say. News reporting is so vague and there’s not many sun-bathers there in Sept (weird because I swam near Tripoli in Sept and found it lovely) … I just see it happened, and know it could anytime probably by any ‘supplier’, and no-one would twitch.
         3. 

            MekensehParty

            July 25, 2013

            You guys twisted reality so much that you now live in total delusion.
            but reality is coming, and you’ll only be more shocked since you blinded yourself for so long.
            Those salafists you talk about are the same that you (as an assad sympathizer) and assad and his click smuggled in and out of Iraq to kill US soldiers, gave them safe havens in Syria and Palestinian camps in Lebanon… now that they are using those same tunnels you dug for them to cross to Iraq and Lebanon, to cross into Syria to fight the likes of you, you call them terrorists. Hahahaha
            Serves you all well.
            Blame the West as much as you want, who cares what you think and who takes seriously your conspiracy theories. Soon you will be running for your life and where will you try to go? the West!
            Let the Russians pack and take all these valiant fighters, they’re returning in bags or worse, thrown in some ditch in a foreign land without even a plate with their names.
            Pray that Idriss will be the one in charge once that half-wit in Damascus falls. He’s a military man and a secular… because if your old friends get the upper hand in the fight you morons are returning to the caves you should have never left.

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            1. 

               dateam

               July 25, 2013

               Thanks for proving my point…here in lies the problem the minute someone disagrees with your warped mentality then the ignorance comes out with the sectarianism and cheap insults…get an education my friend and learn what the real world is like especially when it comes to politics…now your going to tell us nusra and alqaeda are fighting in syria for democracy…and assir was right to to attack the army who caught him.smashed him into the wilderness and found him leaving behind enough explosives in his mosque to take out half of beirut? Or you are going to tell us it was ok to kill leb soldiers in arsal because they were in your way while you were fighting for democracy…You have not understood a single word i have said. In case you havent been watching the news your heros are now fighting each other…nusra fighting fsa and kurds fighting nusra…..keep going hip hip hooray….
            2. 

               MekensehParty

               July 25, 2013

               I never called them heroes, none of them, while you called them heroes when you were helping them kill the US “invader” and now are calling them terrorists (which is what they are from the beginning) when they are killing the likes of you.
               The “insults” I wrote are nothing compared to your words constantly insulting people’s intelligence.
               I never supported Assir, I just explained how Assir, and thanks to Hezbollah banishing sunni moderates from Lebanon left the sunni street thirsty for a leader with balls, and Assir came to fill the gap. As to him shooting on the “army” we read the truth in real reports, not the local poetry and eulogies to the army by the Lebanese media.
               As for the explosives and weapons found in Assir’s mosque they are nothing but a tiny percentage of what Hezbollah has. and don’t bs me that Hezbollah’s weapons are to fight the Israelis, since 2006, you haven’t shot one bullet at an Israeli but a ton of bullets on Lebanese and Syrians. I don’t see you worried about that and I know why, you’re just another chabih who has weapons and ready to use them on other Lebanese who don’t. but till when? bombs, rockets are hitting your areas of influence, those security squares that you’re so proud of, and soon they will spread and good luck controlling all that when thanks to your camp the country is without a government, a semi-official parliament, an FSI chief, soon an army chief, and soon a president. There is no longer one institution working in Lebanon simply because Hezbollah erased them to become the sole captain of the ship.
               Ruminate on that and try to come back with something worse saying!
            3. 

               5thDrawer

               July 25, 2013

               Electricity. Don’t forget electricity. 😉
            4. 

               dateam

               July 25, 2013

               Again your ignorance flourishes, if you read my posts carefully you would see i am simply analysing and questioning…the fact that you have said what you have shows your lack of understanding…where did i call anyone a hero? Im the biggest skeptic you will ever meet i question everything from everyone…maybe thats what you have a problem with…to accuse me of being a shabiha simply because you might not agree with me is the very concept of why this country cannot progress…and if i was a shabiha what the frig would i be doing on a site like this…read the news carefully brother and follow what is happening…its 2013 and you are stuck in a time wharp. Now lets look at what you have said…To state that assir did what he did because of the hzb is beyond logic. Are you trying to tell me that assir attacked the army because the hzb has weapons? They have had weapons long before assir was on the seen….assir has been show poning around for some time…he went to qusar and put himself on youtube and called for jihad long before hzb went in…again you are talking sectarian that does not interest me because im not sectarian i dont care what a person is…those that bring up sectarianism are in fact the sectarians….stop crying because you dont like whats said or things dont go your way….what sunni moderates has hzb banished from lebanon? As far as i can see there is m14 and m8 …to me both in the same pot…there are sunni,shiites,christians and druze in both parties so again i dont understand your logic? What you should be saying is that sunni leaders have let down their people and allowed the fundamentalists to gain momentum and that was evident in protests over assir in tripoli when they tore down hariris picture and replaced it with assirs….that was also evident 2 days ago when the army arrested 2 nusra members in tripoli and people blocked off the roads and started to demonstrate….i ask you what did nthe killing of our troops in arsal have to do with the syrian revolution and fight for democracy? That was also before hzb got involved in qusar was it not? Im simply implying that idriss does not have control over events on the ground….getting back to this article for him to imply that the russian navy is funnelling fighters for assad from beirut to lattaki does not make sense? where is the evidence? i dont recall russian ships docking in beirut since i think about 6 months ago?
            5. 

               MekensehParty

               July 26, 2013

               I’ve said it and repeat it, I let you talk to prove my point.
               1- Assir did indeed attack the army because the hezb has weapons. The army had nothing to do being in the middle. The army should be applying the same standards on all Lebanese, not one group (HA) cruising in their black vans full of weapons wherever they want unchecked, and all other Lebanese cannot do the same. Assir did what the Black Panthers did in the US. They have the right to bear weapons for “defense”, I have the right to bear weapons for defense too. The army came and joined one camp against the other, who shot on who? There has not been a clear report taking both sides into account on what happened so far in that minute between calm and mayhem. You run to accuse Assir of opening fire, yet after an international tribunal told you that the suspects in Hariri’s murder are Hezbollah, you still refuse to acknowledge that these “resistance” explosives are being used in your capital to blow people.
               2- Assir is the direct reaction of the sunni street that has been bullied for too long by Hezbollah. A clone of Assir will come forward soon among the christians and possibly the druze and some shia, and certainly many clones of Assir will appear among the sunnis because words and talks have no effect on HA, only weapons can face their weapons.
               3- What sunni moderates have been banished by HA you ask? really? hahahah. Not only banished, but sent to the ether I might add… (How do you want to be taken seriously if you don’t agree or recognize the basic truth)
               4- Arsal kind of same as 1, Hezbollah come and go as they please undisturbed by the army, crossing the border bringing and sending weapons and explosives… why not the people of Arsal? When the army gets involved on one side against the other it will be shot at, as simple as that. (PS: Hezbollah also shoots on the army if it gets involved in their operations, the army only knows better not to…). This is what the army has to do with the Syrian revolution, they let HA go and come as they please and want to crack down on others…
               5- the hezb has been involved from day 1 in the Syrian revolution, only the members were under the Syrian command before and when that crumbled, Hezbollah sent troops under its own command.
               6- Idriss is a name that you will hear a lot from now on. You might think he has no control over events but he’s the only cash cow today after al-nusra and the MB funding from Turkey and Qatar has dried. I’ll leave it for the future to show how this guy will rise and how much he controls the rebels.
               7- By Russian ships he doesn’t mean military ships, but regular ships transporting weapons and personnel from Beirut to lattakia… I don’t see why it’s confusing? He needs a proof sure, but would a proof convince you anyway?
            6. 

               dateam

               July 26, 2013

               1. Gaining national prominence, the Black Panther Party became an icon of the counterculture of the 1960s.[7] Ultimately, the
               Panthers condemned black nationalism as “black racism” and became more focused
               on socialism without racial exclusivity.[8] They instituted a
               variety of community social programs designed to alleviate poverty, improve
               health among inner city black communities, and soften the Party’s public
               image.[9] The Black
               Panther Party’s most widely known programs were its armed citizens’ patrols to
               evaluate behavior of police officers and its Free Breakfast for Children
               program. However, the group’s political goals were often overshadowed by the
               supposed criminality of members and their confrontational, militant, and violent tactics against
               police.[9] [10][11]

               Federal Bureau of Investigation
               Director J. Edgar
               Hoover called the party “the greatest threat to the internal security of the
               country,”[12] and he supervised
               an extensive program (COINTELPRO) of surveillance, infiltration, perjury, police harassment, assassination,[13] and
               many other tactics designed to undermine Panther leadership, incriminate party
               members and drain the organization of resources and manpower. Through these
               tactics, Hoover hoped to diminish the Party’s threat to the general power
               structure of the U.S., or even maintain its influence as a strong
               undercurrent.[14]
               Angela Davis, Ward Churchill, and
               others have alleged that federal, state and local law enforcement officials went
               to great lengths to discredit and destroy the organization, including
               assassination.[15][16][17] Black Panther
               Party membership reached a peak of 10,000 by early 1969, then suffered a series
               of contractions due to legal troubles, incarcerations, internal splits,
               expulsions and defections. Popular support for the Party declined further after
               reports appeared detailing the group’s involvement in illegal activities such as
               drug dealing and extortion schemes
               directed against Oakland merchants.[18] By 1972 most
               Panther activity centered around the national headquarters and a school in
               Oakland, where the party continued to influence local politics. Party
               contractions continued throughout the 1970s; by 1980 the Black Panther Party
               comprised just 27 members.[19]… NO EXCUSE FOR ATTACKING THE ARMY. The international tribunal has told us nothing yet…first it was the syrians that did it…then it wasnt and hariri visited assad and slept at his place like nothing happened…then it accused 4 shiites not hezbollah ( check the records im not making this up ) it did not accuse hezbollah. If it had directly accused hezbollah i think it would not have been idle for so long…and in between all this weve had false witnesses and 4 judges resign.

               2. I thinbk the sunni street is more frustrated with its own leaders than anyone else just look around the entire middle east and its plain to see…more sunnis are killing sunnis than anyone else? I find it hard to believe that anyone would want to clone themselves on a twit like assir….or maybe you think more artists will become like fadel shaker?

               3. name me sunnis that have been banished by hezbollah? I stated m14 and m8 has all sects represented so stop making it sectarian….you remind me of when ziad baroud resigned from the interior ministry he said mustaqbal are impossible to work with because whenever something happens they cry the sectarian game.

               4. Again for you to justify the killing of our army troops is tantamount to treason. NO EXCUSE.

               5. Both sides have been involved from the start so dont cry when things dont go your way…if its game on then both sides have to accept their fate.

               6.What control does idriss have when nusra and fsa are now battling each other for control?

               7.Did idriss personally tell you what he meant by what sort of russian ships are involved?
            7. 

               5thDrawer

               July 26, 2013

               I don’t really get the Panther connection in the philosophy … but maybe they should have run over the border to attack Mexican drug lords, or something?
               … hmmm … 😉
            8. 

               dateam

               July 27, 2013

               Neither do I thats why i put in a brief history of it….maybe he was thinking of the pink panther?
3. 

   rudy

   July 25, 2013

   What is there to accuse, he became a mercenary for a foreign country he hoped he could win with the help of the Underdeveloped States of America, he hoped he could become the president of Syria and very soon he will have to escape to the states with a fulltime job in Valetparking;

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4. 

   rudy

   July 25, 2013

   What is there to accuse, he became a mercenary for a foreign country he hoped he could win with the help of the Underdeveloped States of America, he hoped he could become the president of Syria and very soon he will have to escape to the states with a fulltime job in Valetparking;

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