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LF / Future movement electoral law deal angers Aoun

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aoun attacks evryoneFree Patriotic Movement leader MP Michel Aoun was angered by the agreement reached between The Lebanese Forces party and its March 14 ally the Future Movement and criticized on Wednesday the political parties’ failure to approve the Orthodox Gathering electoral law during a parliament session.

Aoun said at the parliament : “Some of the parties that backed the proposal abandoned it therefore toppling the most important law for Christians,”

adding: “The same concessions that were made during the approval of the Taif Accord are being repeated today.”
“We were waiting on this historic day for a fair electoral law to be approved,” he stated.

Aoun accused the Christian parties that did not back the Orthodox Gathering draft law of violating the principle of coexistence in Lebanon.

“We are concerned with offering fair representation for Christians, while the others only care about gaining more seats in parliament,” said Aoun

Lebanon Speaker Nabih Berri had called parliament to convene on Wednesday in order to vote on the Orthodox Gathering electoral, but the session was suspended over the lack of quorum. March 14 and PSP announced yesterday that they will boycott the session if the Orthodox Gathering proposal is the only item on the agenda

The Orthodox Gathering proposal had been rejected by President Michel Suleiman, caretaker Premier Najib Mikati, the Future Movement , MP Walid Jumblat’s National Struggle Front and independent Christian MPs. They claim that it encourages extremism and leads to more sectarianism in the country.

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73 responses to “LF / Future movement electoral law deal angers Aoun”

  1. libnan1 Avatar
    libnan1

    General Aoun, you are the only Christian party representing the majority of Christians while the others are irrelevant. Harriri and company flipped some cash like they did at Taif, All are afraid they will lose their seats if the new election law is implemented and the so called M14 will be the nonsense Saida/Tripoli party.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Well Libnan … let US (we the people) SEE the damn thing before all the gum-flapping mouths start spouting about what they couldn’t seem to do – come up with something NEW for ALL LEBANON which would actually help the country function – which it hasn’t done in years, perhaps one could say, since 2005 – and certainly not since Aoun and Hexxy killed the last election. Aoun is a General Flop – even if he’s Christian. Lately, Nastyrallah is also proving he’s not for Lebanon, and therefore useless like Aoun.
      I still think it’s a good idea to forget the whole process for a few years more, and let Salamm and 14 ministers-of-competence try to get the country into a working mode before this stupid fighting takes it back to 1975.
      If ANY of the politicians had the guts to tell the wonderfully ‘religious’ idiots to stuff it, we might even – some day – have electricity. AND jobs. AND safe food and water on a table.
      Imagine that there could even be (less expensive?) blood-supplies for health-reason-operations, instead of wasting it trying to save idiots with bullet-holes all the time.
      Imagine THAT !!
      And by the way, after listening to your ‘poetry’ glorifying this guy for so long, I think I should tell you that he is not the ‘New Messiah’.

      1. AntiFSA Avatar
        AntiFSA

        For God sake 5th, Assad is bad, Hezbollah is Bad, Frangeh is bad, and now general Aoun is also bad. please tell me stop when you fell like it. There are only 3or 4 politicians who are good for Lebanon at most, and general Aoun is most definitely one of them. I’m starting to think that maybe you should run for office seeing though you seem to think you can do a better job. And you have the hide to say you don’t know who I am for. lol

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Dear Anti … Has anyone read the damn thing yet? Has AOUN READ IT?
          Or is he just flapping his gums because he didn’t invent it??
          YES THEY ARE ALL BAD !!!!
          (Nice that some kids – protected by the military – are trying to clean the shore-line … in ‘the south’. Looks bad from the airplanes, I guess. Good they don’t fly over Tripoli.)
          And by my own ‘rules’, I am too old to run. 😉
          I don’t care ‘who’ you are ‘for’. You SHOULD be for a functioning little entity called Lebanon.
          Vote then, for one you think makes sense. Without the religious crap.

          1. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Calm down 5th, I know you to be better than that. 🙂 You need to learn to take as good as you can give my friend. And 5th I have and always will be for Lebanon. Not sure why you think of me otherwise. Could it be maybe because I don’t hate Assad or Iran. Does that make me less Lebanese.

          2. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            I do not think anyone is asking you to hate these two particular things. Despite their scuminess :-). You have an opinion and you are quite free to express it any way you want. However, if at any stage in the future I decided to side with israel against my fellow Lebanese citizens, don’t call me a traitor, and it definitely won’t make me any less a Lebanese!

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            We were both working on that one … hehehehe … hard enough to get just Lebanese thinking in one direction, let alone the whole damn ‘Levant’.

          4. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            We can only try 5th. Its like hammering a timber nail into concrete

          5. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Well you will be called a traitor if you do that Leborigine which I doubt you would anyway. I have a question for you. I take it you live in Australia, And I’m sure you have built a good future in this country for yourself and family. If Australia was invaded by Lebanon, would you support Lebanon or Australia. You see the way I look at it, irrespective of which side you take, you would be called a traitor, however I would love to hear your response.

          6. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            That is a very good question Anti, even though it does not have anything to do with the above discussion. In the present, Australia has done nothing but good for Lebanon and the Lebanese. First I will answer your question and then I will tell you why it has nothing to do with the above.
            If Lebanon were to invade Australia, I will defend Australia without a blink of an eye. Despite that I am a Wog in this country, but I am also a foreignor in Lebanon. Everytime I go to Lebanon, my first name becomes 2ostralee! I was born and bred in Australia, Australia has supported me when I was unemployed, it helped my parents with their education, medical, their retirement, it is educating my kids, giving them hope for a better, brighter future. Australia has never failed me and it has never failed my family in any way. It is my first country regardless of what anyone says, including my father, and if any Lebanese says it differently, then go and live in Lebanon! Why are you here? Am I traitor, no I do not think so, because Australia has offered me what Lebanon will not offer me in 100 hundred years. Don’t get me wrong, I love Lebanon more than you can imagine but I love with my brains, not my heart.
            In regards to syria and israel, well neither of us are citizens nor do we live in those countries. Both countries have hurt Lebanon and selective sects. syrian scumbags have done to us under assads regime what israelis did to the southern Lebanese in the south. So it does not sit well with me when a fellow Lebo supports assad or any syrian for that matter. As you know, the word Japanese still irritates the majority of Australians especially the older generation due to the atrocities commited by the Japs during WWII. That was 60+ years ago. Since then, the Japs have apologised internationally and have built respectful and mutual ties with Australia. Try and imagine though if I go up to a senior aged Australian and scream out to him “Yay, I love the Japs, Go the Japs, Japan forever” How do you think he/she will respond??
            When assad and his people grow some balls and apologise for what they did in Lebanon and recognise that Lebanon is not a pawn to be played with, then I do not have a problem with you or hassouna loving them! I might fall in love with them myself 🙂

          7. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Good response and thumps up, I’m glad you feel that way because that is how I feel about Australia as well. I understand what you mean about what Syria did to Lebanon, however we still need to forgive and try and forget. This type of hate can consume a person. I only started to supporting Assad once this civil war started. I would rather Syria in Lebanon than these Salifi pigs. If the Salifis have it their way, Lebanon would be under sharea law, God forbid. So choose a side my friend because the time will come when we all will be forced to choose. 🙂 And again, that was a very good response.

          8. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Thanks for the thumbs up, but inshallah I never have to pick a side, especially in syria. I have a lot of faith Anti that one day, the Lebanese can build Lebanon on their own! If israel can do it, so can we! I know israel had the help of the US, maybe we can get Brazil or Spain!

          9. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Something I pray to God we can achieve. Leborigine, do know how hard it is for to try and explain to my kids why Lebanon is the way it is. It burns me so deep to not being able to take my kids to Lebanon and show them how beautiful it is in fear that by chance something could happen to them. I know its wrong but the thought of something happening to them scares the shit out of me. Be well my friend and God bless you and your family.

          10. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Or even Isreal.

          11. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Good answer…

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            At this point in history, yes. If you boost them.
            I don’t hate Assad – don’t know him – only see what ‘his cult’ is and hate that.
            Iran I simply feel sorry for … Any country run by a ‘Supreme’ is in shite for sure.
            (anyone seen our friend ‘irani’ lately? Hope it’s just the ‘net closure’ for ‘elections’ which keeps him away – knowing how they can&will ‘track’ people who wish to think for themselves.)
            I could ‘give’, Anti – but that doesn’t take any imagination.
            The following questions are not necessarily for you, but should be thought of … and it too often seems no-one – especially ‘the tops’ – wants to think.
            Do you realize how badly the whole country actually operates??? Do you know how many people are in deep personal problems because of that? Do you know how much it changed after 2005, 6, 8? What happened to that last election? Do you know why 500,000 new refugees think 30 in a room is better (healthier) than one family in a tent in Jordan or Turkey? Why are starving Lebanese unable to get ‘aid’ when a ‘registered refugee’ can? Where is the ‘charity’ for ANY citizen? Why is there 30% unemployment – even of older experienced workers, let alone ‘college’ graduates?? How many can actually afford to send their kids to school in another country that has an open library with ALL books available? Why do those who can, do it? Why is a pint of blood $450 from the ‘blood banks’? Why does a Tripoli hospital need to do ‘hot-blood’ transfers (maybe filtered, now, unlike in 1980 when they passed disease on too) because Beirut ‘can’t’ send it?? Why does a Lebanese businessman lose his business because it has KFC on a sign over the door? Why do 120 people arrive in a hospital barfing their guts out after a night of ‘restaurant experience’? (which was never at a KFC) WHY is this Lebanon thought of as a wonderful experience ? The tourists didn’t recently … IF you recall. (something about electricity)
            WHY does everyone think all THAT is about religion?? I think it’s about STUPIDITY. And as my Armenian friend says; ‘The fish stinks from the head’.

            And the question list is actually much longer … and I didn’t touch on women yet.

          13. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            5th, what can I say, Lebanon is a F@@ked up place to live at the moment, However, we can’t keep blaming outside influences for the problem we are facing.
            For me that is an easy way out. It seems to me that most always blame Syria, Hezbollah and Iran for all the issues in Lebanon. Like Syria for instance, when they occupied Lebanon all said that was a massive problem which btw I agree with. And after Syria left Lebanon, most still blame them for only God know what. The Lebanese people need to acknowledge their mistakes and correct them without blaming other people.

          14. master09 Avatar
            master09

            You forgot the Lebs also blame Isreal the most. Do you think the Lebs can move forward and forget the things they did because of outside invaders and trouble makers.

          15. Zaatar Avatar
            Zaatar

            Additions to the list of blamed: the Palestinians, the US, Saudi Arabia, the Turks, the Christians, the Sunni’s, the Shia’s, the Druze, each other, bad luck…

        2. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          I concur with 5th, while you take sides we (the free Lebanese) know they are ALL bad.

      2. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        5th, I’m all for what you are saying about peace and war. I never advocated war or killing from whoever it came from. In the past war was imposed on us and we defended ourselves. The LA under the command of Aoun never killed anyone based on their religion. The same can be said to a certain extend about HA. There will be no war inside Lebanon as long as Aoun is alive, if it wasn’t for him and HA war would have erupted and the place would be in ruins.
        Look around and see the blood thirsty criminals that encompass the other side, are these the people you trust to keep peace in the country? Show me the resumes of Geagea and Jumblat, their job titles would show KILLERS. Are these the people you want to have a say in governing? Hell NO.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Ok guys … sorry for the frustration coming out. Maybe this old head should just stick to sarcasm and food-choice menus. The politics is making me older.
          I have ‘friends’ – MUCH younger – in danger of dying right now because of the way Lebanon DOES NOT work. The politics and dysfunction of the whole society simply kills people – even without the guns. (Stress#1) And most who have never seen something which works better do not even realize what ‘could’ be – or what could have been. I might expect my own demise – not friends in their 30’s.
          (And that *%^#%$!! ing Syrian Crap-War is a HUGE reason too)

          I won’t paste Aoun on a cross, libnan … I promise … 😉 I’ll shut up.
          HOPE you are right about his mind being in the right place. I sure don’t think an Ayatolla’s is.

        2. dateam Avatar
          dateam

          I agree to what you have said and if I could add further to that….another reason why lebanon will never go back to the past is because of the christians. look around you iraq,egypt,nigeria,and now syria. lebanon is the only place and last place where they haven’t been affected. This is why it won’t happen and will not be allowed to happen. Although People mock aoun but the memorandum he signed with the hzb is one of the most important agreements or pacts undertaken since the taif. It basically says that the majority of the country will work together and not allow sectarianism to be a part of any wrongdoings or misunderstandings.

        3. AntiFSA Avatar
          AntiFSA

          Libnan1, please don’t compare general Aoun to the other 2 idiots. General Aoun is an honorable man where as the other 2 you mentioned, well what can I say, I’m sure you can work out what I want to say about them, however can’t because I might be banned from this site AGAIN. lol

          1. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Honorable men do not leave their troops alone without surrendering and leave them to be slaughtered by the Syrians… Go talk to the mothers and fathers and children of those martyred Lebanese Army Troops who fought for him while he ran.
            He is a selfish man but you will find out with time.

      3. dateam Avatar
        dateam

        Well im sorry to say 5th I think libnan1 makes a relevant point. Putting hatreds aside because that wont get us anywhere i dont exactly know why people hate aoun so much especially the christians. reality is and go back through history. He fought the syrians when they were here and at that time dont tell me the syrians didnt back gagea? He then came back and gets accussed of wanting the presidency? If he wanted it that bad would he not have stayed with m14? He was actually against the taif and im sorry to say but from a christian point of view the saudi sponsored tafe accord left the christians short. gagea and gmnayell were payed out leaving alot of their followers disallusioned hence alot of christians leaving lebanon. Most of the power was transferred to the pm hence making hariri so powerful both politically and economically. The presidency since the tafe has become virtually a token position. There are many examples of this one being when ziad baroud resigned. Why should under the present system gagea and gmayell wait for hariri to take winner takes all and give them scraps? If gagea and gmayell are not careful that will further disallusion their followers and make aoun even more powerful as being the only one championing christian historical rights. In response to leaving it for a few years by forming a caretaker government lets analyse that. m14 want a caretaker government made up of centrists ( who the f is a centrist in lebanon ?) whoand i qoute siniora ” are not allowed to be part of elections or next government”. I mean is that logical to you? Who picks the centrists and who decides whose a centrist? M8 or M14? Its a joke. For us living outside in a democratic country to even acknowledge or agree to any of this crap is ridiculous and makes us hypocrits. Hers an electoral law i propose. How about whoever wants to run goes on a list. Whoever votes has to vote for everyone on the list. Whoever gets the most votes wins its that simple and that democratic. Would you agree to that? Whilst I dont agree with the orthodox law either if and only if the idea behind it is to get a full representation of all sects into parliament split fairly in order to then use that to produce a new electoral law and constitution that benefits all then so be it. Under this law aoun will probably lose seats and gagea and gmayell will gain.To listen to these hybrid theories going around is utterly ridiculous everyone wants to create a system to garuntee themselves seats. Hariri is calculating….these warlords will not be around forever they are all getting old…by having the 1960 law or a hybrid law that gives him control he knows he can control things for a long time to come. On the other hand with these warlords fading out over the next 10 years the new system will allow the younger generation to come through and hopefully be able to work together and more openly with each other….Either way in my opinion there will be no election or government formed anytime soon…not before the syrian conflict is over thats for sure becuase it all hinges on that…if assad goes or dies or whatever hariri will come back to lebanon and announce himself as the saviour and head of the new caliphate and if assad stays then alot of people like jumblatt for instance will have to once again resniff their positions…once again the circus goes on.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Dateam … Logic is rare. SURE no-one is a ‘centrist’ – they are not allowed to be even if elected with that ‘tag’. Why a country needs both a President and a Prime Minister is beyond me – except to have another hat around to lay a club on. (the blame-game) The whole ‘system’ and the ‘sectarian equality’ thing was to stop the slaughters … not to arrange for future ones. It’s time for a new ‘constitution’, not just new election rules – but then, as you say, it’s a circus.
          Will a ‘new generation’ actually KNOW what to do?

      4. RealLebanese Avatar
        RealLebanese

        you are not the people; you are ben bandar thingies

    2. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      Fatal attraction? Is it lust?

  2. libnan1 Avatar
    libnan1

    General Aoun, you are the only Christian party representing the majority of Christians while the others are irrelevant. Harriri and company flipped some cash like they did at Taif, All are afraid they will lose their seats if the new election law is implemented and the so called M14 will be the nonsense Saida/Tripoli party.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Well Libnan … let US (we the people) SEE the damn thing before all the gum-flapping mouths start spouting about what they couldn’t seem to do – come up with something NEW for ALL LEBANON which would actually help the country function – which it hasn’t done in years, perhaps one could say, since 2005 – and certainly not since Aoun and Hexxy killed the last election. Aoun is a General Flop – even if he’s Christian. Lately, Nastyrallah is also proving he’s not for Lebanon, and therefore useless like Aoun.
      I still think it’s a good idea to forget the whole process for a few years more, and let Salamm and 14 ministers-of-competence try to get the country into a working mode before this stupid fighting takes it back to 1975.
      If ANY of the politicians had the guts to tell the wonderfully ‘religious’ idiots to stuff it, we might even – some day – have electricity. AND jobs. AND safe food and water on a table.
      Imagine that there could even be (less expensive?) blood-supplies for health-reason-operations, instead of wasting it trying to save idiots with bullet-holes all the time. Imagine THAT !!

      1. AntiFSA Avatar
        AntiFSA

        For God sake 5th, Assad is bad, Hezbollah is Bad, Frangeh is bad, and now general Aoun is also bad. please tell me stop when you fell like it. There are only 3or 4 politicians who are good for Lebanon at most, and general Aoun is most definitely one of them. I’m starting to think that maybe you should run for office seeing though you seem to think you can do a better job. And you have the hide to say you don’t know who I am for. lol

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Dear Anti … Has anyone read the damn thing yet? Has AOUN READ IT?
          Or is he just flapping his gums because he didn’t invent it??
          YES THEY ARE ALL BAD !!!!
          (Nice that some kids – protected by the military – are trying to clean the shore-line … in ‘the south’. Looks bad from the airplanes, I guess. Good they don’t fly over Tripoli.)
          And by my own ‘rules’, I am too old to run. 😉
          I don’t care ‘who’ you are ‘for’. You SHOULD be for a functioning little entity called Lebanon.
          Vote then, for one you think makes sense. Without the religious crap.

          1. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Calm down 5th, I know you to be better than that. 🙂 You need to learn to take as good as you can give my friend. And 5th I have and always will be for Lebanon. Not sure why you think of me otherwise. Could it be maybe because I don’t hate Assad or Iran. Does that make me less Lebanese.

          2. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            I do not think anyone is asking you to hate these two particular things. Despite their scuminess :-). You have an opinion and you are quite free to express it any way you want. However, if at any stage in the future I decided to side with israel against my fellow Lebanese citizens, don’t call me a traitor, and it definitely won’t make me any less a Lebanese!

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            We were both working on that one … hehehehe

          4. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            We can only try 5th. Its like hammering a timber nail into concrete

          5. RealLebanese Avatar
            RealLebanese

            Little boy, you seem to be too fanatical; i wonder what kind of philosophical belief you abide to can make a person so rigid and intolerant, sticking to nonsense and worshipping it

          6. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Please define a real Lebanese…

          7. RealLebanese Avatar
            RealLebanese

            look at mirror and you know what an anti lebanese is

          8. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Well you will be called a traitor if you do that Leborigine which I doubt you would anyway. I have a question for you. I take it you live in Australia, And I’m sure you have built a good future in this country for yourself and family. If Australia was invaded by Lebanon, would you support Lebanon or Australia. You see the way I look at it, irrespective of which side you take, you would be called a traitor, however I would love to hear your response.

          9. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            That is a very good question Anti, even though it does not have anything to do with the above discussion. In the present, Australia has done nothing but good for Lebanon and the Lebanese. First I will answer your question and then I will tell you why it has nothing to do with the above.
            If Lebanon were to invade Australia, I will defend Australia without a blink of an eye. Despite that I am a Wog in this country, but I am also a foreignor in Lebanon. Everytime I go to Lebanon, my first name becomes 2ostralee! I was born and bred in Australia, Australia has supported me when I was unemployed, it helped my parents with their education, medical, their retirement, it is educating my kids, giving them hope for a better, brighter future. Australia has never failed me and it has never failed my family in any way. It is my first country regardless of what anyone says, including my father, and if any Lebanese says it differently, then go and live in Lebanon! Why are you here? Am I traitor, no I do not think so, because Australia has offered me what Lebanon will not offer me in 100 hundred years. Don’t get me wrong, I love Lebanon more than you can imagine but I love with my brains, not my heart.
            In regards to syria and israel, well neither of us are citizens nor do we live in those countries. Both countries have hurt Lebanon and selective sects. syrian scumbags have done to us under assads regime what israelis did to the southern Lebanese in the south. So it does not sit well with me when a fellow Lebo supports assad or any syrian for that matter. As you know, the word Japanese still irritates the majority of Australians especially the older generation due to the atrocities commited by the Japs during WWII. That was 60+ years ago. Since then, the Japs have apologised internationally and have built respectful and mutual ties with Australia. Try and imagine though if I go up to a senior aged Australian and scream out to him “Yay, I love the Japs, Go the Japs, Japan forever” How do you think he/she will respond??
            When assad and his people grow some balls and apologise for what they did in Lebanon and recognise that Lebanon is not a pawn to be played with, then I do not have a problem with you or hassouna loving them! I might fall in love with them myself 🙂

          10. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Good response and thumps up, I’m glad you feel that way because that is how I feel about Australia as well. I understand what you mean about what Syria did to Lebanon, however we still need to forgive and try and forget. This type of hate can consume a person. I only started to supporting Assad once this civil war started. I would rather Syria in Lebanon than these Salifi pigs. If the Salifis have it their way, Lebanon would be under sharea law, God forbid. So choose a side my friend because the time will come when we all will be forced to choose. 🙂 And again, that was a very good response.

          11. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            Thanks for the thumbs up, but inshallah I never have to pick a side, especially in syria. I have a lot of faith Anti that one day, the Lebanese can build Lebanon on their own! If israel can do it, so can we! I know israel had the help of the US, maybe we can get Brazil or Spain!

          12. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            Something I pray to God we can achieve. Leborigine, do know how hard it is for to try and explain to my kids why Lebanon is the way it is. It burns me so deep to not being able to take my kids to Lebanon and show them how beautiful it is in fear that by chance something could happen to them. I know its wrong but the thought of something happening to them scares the shit out of me. Be well my friend and God bless you and your family.

          13. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Or even Isreal.

          14. RealLebanese Avatar
            RealLebanese

            maybe limit yourself to australia and saoudi arabia

          15. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            as you are limiting yourself to masterbating!

          16. RealLebanese Avatar
            RealLebanese

            i wont go that low to answer you; i suggest you get rid of any lebanese reference in your nick; you are a shame to Lebanon

          17. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Good answer…

          18. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            At this point in history, yes. If you boost them.
            I don’t hate Assad – don’t know him – only see what ‘his cult’ is and hate that.
            Iran I simply feel sorry for … Any country run by a ‘Supreme’ is in shite for sure.
            (anyone seen our friend ‘irani’ lately? Hope it’s just the ‘net closure’ for ‘elections’ which keeps him away – knowing how they can&will ‘track’ people who wish to think for themselves.)
            I could ‘give’, Anti – but that doesn’t take any imagination.
            The following questions are not necessarily for you, but should be thought of … and it too often seems no-one – especially ‘the tops’ – wants to think.
            Do you realize how badly the whole country actually operates??? Do you know how many people are in deep personal problems because of that? Do you know how much it changed after 2005, 6, 8? What happened to that last election? Do you know why 500,000 new refugees think 30 in a room is better (healthier) than one family in a tent in Jordan or Turkey? Why are starving Lebanese unable to get ‘aid’ when a ‘registered refugee’ can? Where is the ‘charity’ for ANY citizen? Why is there 30% unemployment – even of older experienced workers, let alone ‘college’ graduates?? How many can actually afford to send their kids to school in another country that has an open library with ALL books available? Why do those who can, do it? Why is a pint of blood $450 from the ‘blood banks’? Why does a Tripoli hospital need to do ‘hot-blood’ transfers (maybe filtered, now, unlike in 1980 when they passed disease on too) because Beirut ‘can’t’ send it?? Why does a Lebanese businessman lose his business because it has KFC on a sign over the door? Why do 120 people arrive in a hospital barfing their guts out after a night of ‘restaurant experience’? (which was not at KFC) WHY is this Lebanon thought of as a wonderful experience ? The tourists didn’t recently … IF you recall. (something about electricity)
            WHY does everyone think all THAT is about religion?? I think it’s about STUPIDITY. And as my Armenian friend says; ‘The fish stinks from the head’.

            And the question list is actually much longer ….

          19. AntiFSA Avatar
            AntiFSA

            5th, what can I say, Lebanon is a F@@ked up place to live at the moment, However, we can’t keep blaming outside influences for the problem we are facing.
            For me that is an easy way out. It seems to me that most always blame Syria, Hezbollah and Iran for all the issues in Lebanon. Like Syria for instance, when they occupied Lebanon all said that was a massive problem which btw I agree with. And after Syria left Lebanon, most still blame them for only God know what. The Lebanese people need to acknowledge their mistakes and correct them without blaming other people.

          20. master09 Avatar
            master09

            You forgot the Lebs also blame Isreal the most. Do you think the Lebs can move forward and forget the things they did because of outside invaders and trouble makers.

          21. Zaatar Avatar
            Zaatar

            Additions to the list of blamed: the Palestinians, the US, Saudi Arabia, the Turks, the Christians, the Sunni’s, the Shia’s, the Druze, each other, bad luck…

        2. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          I concur with 5th, while you take sides we (the free Lebanese) know they are ALL bad.

          1. RealLebanese Avatar
            RealLebanese

            you meant you fake or fricken lebanese; you are as much free as i am chinese. reading your rubbish on this blog you need to decide what you are little man: one day american, one day lebanese, one day phoenician, one day saoudi, one day syrian…. you seem to be suffering

          2. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Hey you’re back ya ebn el Ashrafieh?
            You can change your name and your IP all you want we still know who you are. he he
            Until you get banned once more…
            I remain,
            sincerely yours,
            Hannibal, A Lebanese American.

          3. Leborigine Avatar
            Leborigine

            hehehe, it thrives on insults. I’ll give it two weeks as well lol

          4. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            I had to laugh lol he has a point. One day your pro christian one day pro lebanon and the next pro american i must admit though my respect for saying lebanese american most will say american lebanese (Y)

      2. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        5th, I’m all for what you are saying about peace and war. I never advocated war or killing from whoever it came from. In the past war was imposed on us and we defended ourselves. The LA under the command of Aoun never killed anyone based on their religion. The same can be said to a certain extend about HA. There will be no war inside Lebanon as long as Aoun is alive, if it wasn’t for him and HA war would have erupted and the place would be in ruins.
        Look around and see the blood thirsty criminals that encompass the other side, are these the people you trust to keep peace in the country? Show me the resumes of Geagea and Jumblat, their job titles would show KILLERS. Are these the people you want to have a say in governing? Hell NO.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Ok guys … sorry for the frustration coming out. Maybe this old head should just stick to sarcasm and food-choice menus. The politics is making me older.
          I have ‘friends’ – MUCH younger – in danger of dying right now because of the way Lebanon DOES NOT work. The politics and dysfunction of the whole society simply kills people – even without the guns. (Stress#1) And most who have never seen something which works better do not even realize what ‘could’ be – or what could have been. I might expect my own demise – not friends in their 30’s.

          I won’t paste Aoun on a cross, libnan … I promise … 😉
          HOPE you are right about his mind being in the right place.

        2. dateam Avatar
          dateam

          I agree to what you have said and if I could add further to that….another reason why lebanon will never go back to the past is because of the christians. look around you iraq,egypt,nigeria,and now syria. lebanon is the only place and last place where they haven’t been affected. This is why it won’t happen and will not be allowed to happen. Although People mock aoun but the memorandum he signed with the hzb is one of the most important agreements or pacts undertaken since the taif. It basically says that the majority of the country will work together and not allow sectarianism to be a part of any wrongdoings or misunderstandings.

        3. AntiFSA Avatar
          AntiFSA

          Libnan1, please don’t compare general Aoun to the other 2 idiots. General Aoun is an honorable man where as the other 2 you mentioned, well what can I say, I’m sure you can work out what I want to say about them, however can’t because I might be banned from this site AGAIN. lol

          1. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Honorable men do not leave their troops alone without surrendering and leave them to be slaughtered by the Syrians… Go talk to the mothers and fathers and children of those martyred Lebanese Army Troops who fought for him while he ran.
            He is a selfish man but you will find out with time.

      3. dateam Avatar
        dateam

        Well im sorry to say 5th I think libnan1 makes a relevant point. Putting hatreds aside because that wont get us anywhere i dont exactly know why people hate aoun so much especially the christians. reality is and go back through history. He fought the syrians when they were here and at that time dont tell me the syrians didnt back gagea? He then came back and gets accussed of wanting the presidency? If he wanted it that bad would he not have stayed with m14? He was actually against the taif and im sorry to say but from a christian point of view the saudi sponsored tafe accord left the christians short. gagea and gmnayell were payed out leaving alot of their followers disallusioned hence alot of christians leaving lebanon. Most of the power was transferred to the pm hence making hariri so powerful both politically and economically. The presidency since the tafe has become virtually a token position. There are many examples of this one being when ziad baroud resigned. Why should under the present system gagea and gmayell wait for hariri to take winner takes all and give them scraps? If gagea and gmayell are not careful that will further disallusion their followers and make aoun even more powerful as being the only one championing christian historical rights. In response to leaving it for a few years by forming a caretaker government lets analyse that. m14 want a caretaker government made up of centrists ( who the f is a centrist in lebanon ?) whoand i qoute siniora ” are not allowed to be part of elections or next government”. I mean is that logical to you? Who picks the centrists and who decides whose a centrist? M8 or M14? Its a joke. For us living outside in a democratic country to even acknowledge or agree to any of this crap is ridiculous and makes us hypocrits. Hers an electoral law i propose. How about whoever wants to run goes on a list. Whoever votes has to vote for everyone on the list. Whoever gets the most votes wins its that simple and that democratic. Would you agree to that? Whilst I dont agree with the orthodox law either if and only if the idea behind it is to get a full representation of all sects into parliament split fairly in order to then use that to produce a new electoral law and constitution that benefits all then so be it. Under this law aoun will probably lose seats and gagea and gmayell will gain.To listen to these hybrid theories going around is utterly ridiculous everyone wants to create a system to garuntee themselves seats. Hariri is calculating….these warlords will not be around forever they are all getting old…by having the 1960 law or a hybrid law that gives him control he knows he can control things for a long time to come. On the other hand with these warlords fading out over the next 10 years the new system will allow the younger generation to come through and hopefully be able to work together and more openly with each other….Either way in my opinion there will be no election or government formed anytime soon…not before the syrian conflict is over thats for sure becuase it all hinges on that…if assad goes or dies or whatever hariri will come back to lebanon and announce himself as the saviour and head of the new caliphate and if assad stays then alot of people like jumblatt for instance will have to once again resniff their positions…once again the circus goes on.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Dateam … Logic is rare. SURE no-one is a ‘centrist’ – they are not allowed to be even if elected with that ‘tag’. Why a country needs both a President and a Prime Minister is beyond me – except to have another hat around to lay a club on. (the blame-game) The whole ‘system’ and the ‘sectarian equality’ thing was to stop the slaughters … not to arrange for future ones. It’s time for a new ‘constitution’, not just new election rules – but then, as you say, it’s a circus.
          Will a ‘new generation’ actually KNOW what to do?

      4. RealLebanese Avatar
        RealLebanese

        you are not the people; you are ben bandar thingies

    2. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      Fatal attraction? Is it lust?

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