The Lebanese Government: Who Is In Control?

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by Ghassan Karam

No institution and especially no cabinet can perform effectively if its members hold contradictory beliefs and are guided by incompatible ideas and paradigms. That is the reason why effective governments are usually formed by a majority party or a workable coalition of members that agree to keep their differences under control and to work essentially to further the public welfare.

Unfortunately Lebanon has departed from this almost universal standard over the past 6 years. Taif started this trend towards diffusion of power by keeping the President of the Republic as a symbolic figurehead who is basically entrusted with accepting ambassadorial credentials and other ceremonial functions such as meeting with cabinet ministers and even presiding over ministerial meetings if he chooses. The President however cannot cast a vote or even introduce an item on the agenda. There is nothing unique about this since that is the norm in all parliamentary democracies. The problem in Lebanon is that someone has forgotten to inform the public about this change and so many, especially among the Maronites, still believe that we have a Presidential system. FPM among others still maintains the belief that presidential powers can still be restored. Let them dream or maybe more appropriately keep them in their make belief reality!!!

But a Parliamentary system cannot function efficiently and productively when the powers of the Prime Minister have been abrogated to a large extent by the so called council of ministers. This set up suffers of two major flaws:

(1)    The Prime Minister is not treated as a chief among Indians but as only another chief among many others. The PM cannot be held responsible for what transpires under his/her term in office since the PM is not in a position to shape the cabinet policy. When the power resides in the council of ministers then each minister acts as if he/she is a mini PM and thus the premiership becomes so diluted that it becomes totally ineffective.

(2)    The trend to have either a so called “national unity government”  or one that is composed of irreconcilable ideologies ends up in creating a cabinet that in essence robs the parliament of its function. The cabinet becomes a mini parliament and thus it ends up in usurping parliamentary authority.

The situation does not need to be hopeless. We have a moral obligation to wage a major educational campaign to inform the Lebanese public that ours is no longer a presidential system and that we have opted for a parliamentary one. But that is not enough. We also have the duty to allow the PM to govern. That cannot be done under a system where the major power rests in the ministerial council. We have to make it clear that the bulk of the executive power rests in the Premiership and that the PM has the power to dictate eventually the beliefs and the policies of the office. If it so happens, as it is inevitable to occur, that certain members of the cabinet cannot go along with the vision of the PM then these ministers must submit their resignations. Once the policies of the PM can no longer get the required support from the chamber of deputies then the cabinet will have to resign and be replaced.

The current as well as the past 3 cabinets, presents an excellent example about the absolute necessity for a change in the way that cabinets are formed. Najib Mikati, the current PM, never tires of saying that the cabinet is fully committed to honour all of Lebanon’s’ international commitments under international law including UNSCR 1701, 1559 and financing the STL. Normally that should be enough of an indication about what official Lebanese is in these matters. But is it? Not when Hezbollah and its minions keep on stating that they will not favour financing the STL neither would they want to enforce 1559. In this regard it is fair to ask, isn’t it? Who is it that speaks for Lebanon? Is it the PM or is it the ministerial council?

I strongly believe that it is time that we put an end to this unworkable cabinet composition. It is high time that we shout from the hill tops that Lebanon has become a parliamentary system and it is also time that we allow the PM to lead and govern if the premiership is to be held accountable for the successes or failures. To allow the cabinet to substitute for the parliament and to encourage individual ministers to subvert the role of the PM is eventually ineffective, unworkable and even undemocratic. The PM must head the cabinet and choose those that are willing to enact the plays that he calls.

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101 responses to “The Lebanese Government: Who Is In Control?”

  1. kindman242 Avatar

    WHEN EVERYONE IN LEBANON WILL COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT HEZBOLLAH IS THE TUMOR THAT CONTROLS LEBANON FROM BEHIND THE SCENES AND CALLS ALL THE SHOTS , AND THAT HEZBOLLAH UMOR SHOULD BE DESTROYED AND ERRADICATED . NAJIB MIKATI , YOU ARE JUST A PUPPET IN NASSRALLAH’S HANDS AND WE SUNNIS IN LEBANON ARE RENOUNCING YOU AS OURS , WE SHOULD DEPORT YOU TO IRAN ALONG WITH YOUR FAVOURITE HEZBOLLAH , ALLAH YELYANAK WAHAD KALB.

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      I have always been in opposition to Hezbollah and its ideology but I do not think that name calling is productive, kindman.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        Passions run too deep in the ‘Lebanese’ blood it seems – most times to the detriment of the passionate – although sometimes we can’t blame them too much. 😉

    2. I would have preferred you said: “YOU ARE JUST A PUPPET IN NASSRALLAH’S HANDS AND WE (LEBANESE) ARE RENOUNCING YOU AS OURS… etc…” But again we Lebanese will never learn. 

    3. husseinbazzi Avatar
      husseinbazzi

      WHEN WILL EVERYONE COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT ISREAL IS A TUMOR PLANTED BY ITS SURROGATE MOTHER THE USA RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE MUSLIM WORLD AS THE GENERAL CALLING THE SHOTS WHO SHOULD BE DESTROYED AND ERRADICATED.WHEN WILL THE SUNNIS WAKE UP TO THEM SELVES AND START FIGHTING THE ENEMYS.LET ME ASK YOU KINDMAN242 AND ALL SUNNIS ON YOUR SIDE WHAT WOULD ABU BAKAR DO IF HE WAS ALIVE WOULD HE JUST ACCEPT ISREAL AND THE USA OR WOULD FIGHT IN THE NAME OF ISLAM TILL THE LAST BREATH? PLEASE DONT COME BACK AND SAY HEZBOLLAH ISNT FIGHTING IN  THE NAME OF ISLAM.THERE ARE 1.2BILLION MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD ABOUT 1BILLION OF THEM ARE SUNNIS WHERE IS ISLAMS PLACE ON THE WORLD STAGE.DONT COME BACK AND SAY OUR RULERS ARE PUPPETS AND THE REST IVE HEARD IT 1 TOO MANY TIMES.YOU CANT  JUST FLY THE MUSLIM FLAG AND HAVE MEANING TO IT.IM SORRY TO SAY BUT SAAD HARRIRI IS 1 OF THOSE PUPPET SUNNI LEADERS WHO SHOULD BE DEPORTED TO THE USA ,ALLAH YELHNA MINU AND WHOEVER IS LIKE HIM WAHAD KALB

      1. “WHEN WILL EVERYONE COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT ISREAL IS A TUMOR PLANTED BY
        ITS SURROGATE MOTHER THE USA RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE MUSLIM WORLD”

        The heart of the muslim world you say huh? I’m a bit out of touch with history so please explain to me where islam originated and how the Levant would qualify as “the heart” of the muslim world. perhaps you should take it easy with the CAPS first of all. secondly you are probably posting this from your cozy life somewhere in the western world…HYPOCRISY at its finest….

        1. husseinbazzi Avatar
          husseinbazzi

          Yeah true im in the western world and i can tell u its far from cozy brother.You should see how muslims are viewed from the outside let alone all the fighting from within.HYPOCRISY YOU SAY LET ME ASK YOU FADI81 WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU PRAYED AT MASIJD AL AQSA.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Nice … nailed that one. 🙂  Interestingly, I just talked to a Jordanian who thinks Canada is inside the USA. 🙂
            Dare I say anything about education ??? 😉

      2. “Yeah true im in the western world and i can tell u its far from cozy
        brother.You should see how muslims are viewed from the outside let alone
        all the fighting from within.HYPOCRISY YOU SAY LET ME ASK YOU FADI81
        WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU PRAYED AT MASIJD AL AQSA”

        well “brother” first of all you didnt answer the questions I asked you in the previous post regarding the heart of the muslim world (but I figured you wouldn’t)…secondly are you surprised by how muslims are viewed? you live in the west, and were given a nation to call home but yet your loyalties lie with islam and foreign lands above all else NO MATTER WHAT. dont you think people around you sense this or know this?

        you ask me when the last time I prayed at masjid al aqsa….how about never, because I dont even know what that is. I live in the west and love my life and love my neighbours and fellow country men above all else. my loyalties lie here first and Lebanon second. my values and ethics are the same here as they were back home. I didnt change to appease anyone. the west is not for certain people but for all FREEDOM loving people of all walks of life. My loyalties lie with the nation that gave my family a home and a future when my “home land” was being torn apart by individuals who’s hearts were filled with hate.

        Individuals like yourself should just pack up and go back to your “home”, you are free to do so. why do you stay in the west if its not cozy? ASSIMILATION is key.

        1. fadi, i admire your acknowlagement of the country that welcomed you with open arms as i am grateful and give much credit to canada and canadians that accepted my family and many people from many countries.
            sadly the majority of the imigrants i know were ungreatfull and abusive of social benefits, filed false insurance claims and never said one good thing about their host, further they slander the country that  took them under its wing yet they never make a u turn and go back to where they came from.
           i dare anyone to tell me any arab country would ever give 5%what western countries  have given for lebanese and other  imigrants when they were in need .

        2. husseinbazzi Avatar
          husseinbazzi

          Typical arrogant Arab answer you even admit you live in the western world and yet dare to comment on my cozy life.If your so proud of living in the west and call it home due to the fact that you left probably for the same reason why many families left like myself and have accepted your fate then good luck to you.but why would you be so interested in foreign affairs outside your new home .If you dont know what i mean by the HEART OF THE MUSLIM  WORLD and you adamantly state you have never prayed at MASJID AL AQSA or dont dont even know what that is by your own words then either you are christian without any disrespect and if you are a muslim then (im clearly wasting my time for the last time) with a hypocrite, arrogant, ignorant person who has an INTUITION with a CIRCUMFERENCE OF PEA.You have not a single idea how the world works when it comes to the Middle East.Regarding my life in the west, i wish my family didnt have to leave Lebanon due to the creation of ISREAL and i wish the whole world was living in peace.And i can assure you cause you seem to be worried that i havent assimilated i have alot more than natives in this country i do call home.And im not surprised how muslims are viewed but saddened that muslims like you (if you are) have no idea what is going on in the real world.By the way i have no hate in me towards any race i think that comes from the other side of the fence which i think your in.

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Oh Fadi81 … tsk 🙂 … you know you can ‘google’ that ancient stone building in Jerusalem that humans all fight about all the time .. along with other buildings and the re-builds and over-builds like the ‘Dome’ … which have some religious significance.
            Seems it’s all about ‘location, location, location’ … and then architectural style – depending on which layer or re-build you are interested in.
            MOST Interestingly, from Wikipedia’s entry on it, some of the wood beams and panels are made from Lebanese Cedar dated to around the 9th century BC !!  Wow, eh? Best wood in the world. 🙂

      3. 5thDrawer Avatar

        There’s a Muslim Flag?
          And I thought it was the Brits and the UN who ‘planted’ Israel in a dessert almost no-one was using .. which had been called Israel at least once before in history.
          Anyone seen Leo ???

        (below 😉 Geo needs more entertainment … hehehe

        1. leo is charging his batteries i predict his return by tomorrow, i do miss him, for real!

      4. “Typical arrogant Arab answer you even admit you live in the western
        world and yet dare to comment on my cozy life.If your so proud of living
        in the west and call it home due to the fact that you left probably for
        the same reason why many families left like myself and have accepted
        your fate then good luck to you.but why would you be so interested in
        foreign affairs outside your new home .If you dont know what i mean by
        the HEART OF THE MUSLIM  WORLD and you adamantly state you have never
        prayed at MASJID AL AQSA or dont dont even know what that is by your own
        words then either you are christian without any disrespect and if you
        are a muslim then (im clearly wasting my time for the last time) with a
        hypocrite, arrogant, ignorant person who has an INTUITION with a
        CIRCUMFERENCE OF PEA.You have not a single idea how the world works when
        it comes to the Middle East.Regarding my life in the west, i wish my
        family didnt have to leave Lebanon due to the creation of ISREAL and i
        wish the whole world was living in peace.And i can assure you cause you
        seem to be worried that i havent assimilated i have alot more than
        natives in this country i do call home.And im not surprised how muslims
        are viewed but saddened that muslims like you (if you are) have no idea
        what is going on in the real world.By the way i have no hate in me
        towards any race i think that comes from the other side of the fence
        which i think your in.”

        well, you clearly dont have me figured out. I am not muslim, not that it matters, but it may explain why I dont know what masjid al aqsa is. I am Lebanese, although I no longer live there I do have family, property, and a home in the hills that remains. My heart will always be with Lebanon, but I would never wish harm or anything but prosperity for my new home and fellow countrymen.

        I am far from a hypocrite, or ignorant, but arrogant? maybe a little. Your initial post was as telling as any. you claim Lebanon and Palistine/Israel are the “muslim heart land”. and it seems to anger you (by the CAPS) that Israel is there as a “foreign” entity while you live in the west (as a foreign entity).

        This is not about the west and Israel but rather about Lebanon. All armed terrorist organizations and militias WILL be disarmed eventually. Justice WILL be served, and the Lebanese that want to live in freedom will succeed. All just a matter of time.

        And I will enjoy it all while sitting on my balcone enjoying an argilleh and a glass of whiskey on the rocks!

        1. husseinbazzi Avatar
          husseinbazzi

          Well you clearly are a bigger hypocrite than what i thought you to be with no clue on what you say and what you have said.I dont know whether to to cry or laugh.Contradiction must be your second nature.You had a chance to prove your intelligence but the way ur going u will have to start from scratch and by that time “brother” it will be al over.HEZBOLLAH WILL NEVER DIE JUST MULTIPLY.You have some nerve question my loyalty you think you are the only one with famil,property ,home in Lebanon.You question my way of life in the west after you posted the following” my loyalties lie here first and Lebanon second. my values and ethics are the same here as they were back home. I didnt change to appease anyone. the west is not for certain people but for all FREEDOM loving people of all walks of life. My loyalties lie with the nation that gave my family a home and a future when my “home land” was being torn apart by individuals who’s hearts were filled with hate. You need to get  areality check and get your priorities straight.By the way looser im not a foreign entity in another country  we applied for residency our taxes go to this government.We didnt kick anyone out of their homes massacre steal and think we are superior.You clearly are way behind in debating with facts and logic.I think i have you figured out you belong to people who follow this newspaper YA HIBLAN

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar

          That smoking is bad for us … and I like the apple-flavoured … hehehe

      5. “Well you clearly are a bigger hypocrite than what i thought you to be
        with no clue on what you say and what you have said.I dont know whether
        to to cry or laugh.Contradiction must be your second nature.You had a
        chance to prove your intelligence but the way ur going u will have to
        start from scratch and by that time “brother” it will be al
        over.HEZBOLLAH WILL NEVER DIE JUST MULTIPLY.You have some nerve question
        my loyalty you think you are the only one with famil,property ,home in
        Lebanon.You question my way of life in the west after you posted the
        following” my loyalties lie here first and Lebanon second. my values and
        ethics are the same here as they were back home. I didnt change to
        appease anyone. the west is not for certain people but for all FREEDOM
        loving people of all walks of life. My loyalties lie with the nation
        that gave my family a home and a future when my “home land” was being
        torn apart by individuals who’s hearts were filled with hate. You need
        to get  areality check and get your priorities straight.By the way
        looser im not a foreign entity in another country  we applied for
        residency our taxes go to this government.We didnt kick anyone out of
        their homes massacre steal and think we are superior.You clearly are way
        behind in debating with facts and logic.I think i have you figured out
        you belong to people who follow this newspaper YA HIBLAN”

        ok, well I dont remember telling HA to “die”…if thats even possible. Justice always prevails man, HA will disarm eventually if it wants to even continue to have any political significance.  Also im not questioning your “patriotism” to Lebanon or the country your living in, I was just pointing out the hypocritical tone of your initial post. but hey, I guess I need a reality check because my priorities are bent?

  2.  Avatar

    WHEN EVERYONE IN LEBANON WILL COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT HEZBOLLAH IS THE TUMOR THAT CONTROLS LEBANON FROM BEHIND THE SCENES AND CALLS ALL THE SHOTS , AND THAT HEZBOLLAH UMOR SHOULD BE DESTROYED AND ERRADICATED . NAJIB MIKATI , YOU ARE JUST A PUPPET IN NASSRALLAH’S HANDS AND WE SUNNIS IN LEBANON ARE RENOUNCING YOU AS OURS , WE SHOULD DEPORT YOU TO IRAN ALONG WITH YOUR FAVOURITE HEZBOLLAH , ALLAH YELYANAK WAHAD KALB.

    1. I have always been in opposition to Hezbollah and its ideology but I do not think that name calling is productive, kindman.

      1.  Avatar

        Passions run too deep in the ‘Lebanese’ blood it seems – most times to the detriment of the passionate – although sometimes we can’t blame them too much. 😉

    2. I would have preferred you said: “YOU ARE JUST A PUPPET IN NASSRALLAH’S HANDS AND WE (LEBANESE) ARE RENOUNCING YOU AS OURS… etc…” But again we Lebanese will never learn. 

    3.  Avatar

      WHEN WILL EVERYONE COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT ISREAL IS A TUMOR PLANTED BY ITS SURROGATE MOTHER THE USA RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE MUSLIM WORLD AS THE GENERAL CALLING THE SHOTS WHO SHOULD BE DESTROYED AND ERRADICATED.WHEN WILL THE SUNNIS WAKE UP TO THEM SELVES AND START FIGHTING THE ENEMYS.LET ME ASK YOU KINDMAN242 AND ALL SUNNIS ON YOUR SIDE WHAT WOULD ABU BAKAR DO IF HE WAS ALIVE WOULD HE JUST ACCEPT ISREAL AND THE USA OR WOULD FIGHT IN THE NAME OF ISLAM TILL THE LAST BREATH? PLEASE DONT COME BACK AND SAY HEZBOLLAH ISNT FIGHTING IN  THE NAME OF ISLAM.THERE ARE 1.2BILLION MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD ABOUT 1BILLION OF THEM ARE SUNNIS WHERE IS ISLAMS PLACE ON THE WORLD STAGE.DONT COME BACK AND SAY OUR RULERS ARE PUPPETS AND THE REST IVE HEARD IT 1 TOO MANY TIMES.YOU CANT  JUST FLY THE MUSLIM FLAG AND HAVE MEANING TO IT.IM SORRY TO SAY BUT SAAD HARRIRI IS 1 OF THOSE PUPPET SUNNI LEADERS WHO SHOULD BE DEPORTED TO THE USA ,ALLAH YELHNA MINU AND WHOEVER IS LIKE HIM WAHAD KALB

      1.  Avatar

        “WHEN WILL EVERYONE COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT ISREAL IS A TUMOR PLANTED BY
        ITS SURROGATE MOTHER THE USA RIGHT IN THE HEART OF THE MUSLIM WORLD”

        The heart of the muslim world you say huh? I’m a bit out of touch with history so please explain to me where islam originated and how the Levant would qualify as “the heart” of the muslim world. perhaps you should take it easy with the CAPS first of all. secondly you are probably posting this from your cozy life somewhere in the western world…HYPOCRISY at its finest….

        1.  Avatar

          Yeah true im in the western world and i can tell u its far from cozy brother.You should see how muslims are viewed from the outside let alone all the fighting from within.HYPOCRISY YOU SAY LET ME ASK YOU FADI81 WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU PRAYED AT MASIJD AL AQSA.

        2.  Avatar

          Nice … nailed that one. 🙂  Interestingly, I just talked to a Jordanian who thinks Canada is inside the USA. 🙂
            Dare I say anything about education ??? 😉

      2.  Avatar

        “Yeah true im in the western world and i can tell u its far from cozy
        brother.You should see how muslims are viewed from the outside let alone
        all the fighting from within.HYPOCRISY YOU SAY LET ME ASK YOU FADI81
        WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU PRAYED AT MASIJD AL AQSA”

        well “brother” first of all you didnt answer the questions I asked you in the previous post regarding the heart of the muslim world (but I figured you wouldn’t)…secondly are you surprised by how muslims are viewed? you live in the west, and were given a nation to call home but yet your loyalties lie with islam and foreign lands above all else NO MATTER WHAT. dont you think people around you sense this or know this?

        you ask me when the last time I prayed at masjid al aqsa….how about never, because I dont even know what that is. I live in the west and love my life and love my neighbours and fellow country men above all else. my loyalties lie here first and Lebanon second. my values and ethics are the same here as they were back home. I didnt change to appease anyone. the west is not for certain people but for all FREEDOM loving people of all walks of life. My loyalties lie with the nation that gave my family a home and a future when my “home land” was being torn apart by individuals who’s hearts were filled with hate.

        Individuals like yourself should just pack up and go back to your “home”, you are free to do so. why do you stay in the west if its not cozy? ASSIMILATION is key.

        1. fadi, i admire your acknowlagement of the country that welcomed you with open arms as i am grateful and give much credit to canada and canadians that accepted my family and many people from many countries.
            sadly the majority of the imigrants i know were ungreatfull and abusive of social benefits, filed false insurance claims and never said one good thing about their host, further they slander the country that  took them under its wing yet they never make a u turn and go back to where they came from.
           i dare anyone to tell me any arab country would ever give 5%what western countries  have given for lebanese and other  imigrants when they were in need .

        2.  Avatar

          Typical arrogant Arab answer you even admit you live in the western world and yet dare to comment on my cozy life.If your so proud of living in the west and call it home due to the fact that you left probably for the same reason why many families left like myself and have accepted your fate then good luck to you.but why would you be so interested in foreign affairs outside your new home .If you dont know what i mean by the HEART OF THE MUSLIM  WORLD and you adamantly state you have never prayed at MASJID AL AQSA or dont dont even know what that is by your own words then either you are christian without any disrespect and if you are a muslim then (im clearly wasting my time for the last time) with a hypocrite, arrogant, ignorant person who has an INTUITION with a CIRCUMFERENCE OF PEA.You have not a single idea how the world works when it comes to the Middle East.Regarding my life in the west, i wish my family didnt have to leave Lebanon due to the creation of ISREAL and i wish the whole world was living in peace.And i can assure you cause you seem to be worried that i havent assimilated i have alot more than natives in this country i do call home.And im not surprised how muslims are viewed but saddened that muslims like you (if you are) have no idea what is going on in the real world.By the way i have no hate in me towards any race i think that comes from the other side of the fence which i think your in.

        3.  Avatar

          Oh Fadi81 … tsk 🙂 … you know you can ‘google’ that ancient stone building in Jerusalem that humans all fight about all the time .. along with other buildings and the re-builds and over-builds like the ‘Dome’ … which have some religious significance.
            Seems it’s all about ‘location, location, location’ … and then architectural style – depending on which layer or re-build you are interested in.
            MOST Interestingly, from Wikipedia’s entry on it, some of the wood beams and panels are made from Lebanese Cedar dated to around the 9th century BC !!  Wow, eh? Best wood in the world. 🙂

      3.  Avatar

        There’s a Muslim Flag?
          And I thought it was the Brits and the UN who ‘planted’ Israel in a dessert almost no-one was using .. which had been called Israel at least once before in history.
          Anyone seen Leo ???

        1. leo is charging his batteries i predict his return by tomorrow, i do miss him, for real!

        2. leo is charging his batteries i predict his return by tomorrow, i do miss him, for real!

      4.  Avatar

        “Typical arrogant Arab answer you even admit you live in the western
        world and yet dare to comment on my cozy life.If your so proud of living
        in the west and call it home due to the fact that you left probably for
        the same reason why many families left like myself and have accepted
        your fate then good luck to you.but why would you be so interested in
        foreign affairs outside your new home .If you dont know what i mean by
        the HEART OF THE MUSLIM  WORLD and you adamantly state you have never
        prayed at MASJID AL AQSA or dont dont even know what that is by your own
        words then either you are christian without any disrespect and if you
        are a muslim then (im clearly wasting my time for the last time) with a
        hypocrite, arrogant, ignorant person who has an INTUITION with a
        CIRCUMFERENCE OF PEA.You have not a single idea how the world works when
        it comes to the Middle East.Regarding my life in the west, i wish my
        family didnt have to leave Lebanon due to the creation of ISREAL and i
        wish the whole world was living in peace.And i can assure you cause you
        seem to be worried that i havent assimilated i have alot more than
        natives in this country i do call home.And im not surprised how muslims
        are viewed but saddened that muslims like you (if you are) have no idea
        what is going on in the real world.By the way i have no hate in me
        towards any race i think that comes from the other side of the fence
        which i think your in.”

        well, you clearly dont have me figured out. I am not muslim, not that it matters, but it may explain why I dont know what masjid al aqsa is. I am Lebanese, although I no longer live there I do have family, property, and a home in the hills that remains. My heart will always be with Lebanon, but I would never wish harm or anything but prosperity for my new home and fellow countrymen.

        I am far from a hypocrite, or ignorant, but arrogant? maybe a little. Your initial post was as telling as any. you claim Lebanon and Palistine/Israel are the “muslim heart land”. and it seems to anger you (by the CAPS) that Israel is there as a “foreign” entity while you live in the west (as a foreign entity).

        This is not about the west and Israel but rather about Lebanon. All armed terrorist organizations and militias WILL be disarmed eventually. Justice WILL be served, and the Lebanese that want to live in freedom will succeed. All just a matter of time.

        And I will enjoy it all while sitting on my balcone enjoying an argilleh and a glass of whiskey on the rocks!

        1.  Avatar

          Well you clearly are a bigger hypocrite than what i thought you to be with no clue on what you say and what you have said.I dont know whether to to cry or laugh.Contradiction must be your second nature.You had a chance to prove your intelligence but the way ur going u will have to start from scratch and by that time “brother” it will be al over.HEZBOLLAH WILL NEVER DIE JUST MULTIPLY.You have some nerve question my loyalty you think you are the only one with famil,property ,home in Lebanon.You question my way of life in the west after you posted the following” my loyalties lie here first and Lebanon second. my values and ethics are the same here as they were back home. I didnt change to appease anyone. the west is not for certain people but for all FREEDOM loving people of all walks of life. My loyalties lie with the nation that gave my family a home and a future when my “home land” was being torn apart by individuals who’s hearts were filled with hate. You need to get  areality check and get your priorities straight.By the way looser im not a foreign entity in another country  we applied for residency our taxes go to this government.We didnt kick anyone out of their homes massacre steal and think we are superior.You clearly are way behind in debating with facts and logic.I think i have you figured out you belong to people who follow this newspaper YA HIBLAN

        2.  Avatar

          That smoking is bad for us … and I like the apple-flavoured … hehehe

      5.  Avatar

        “Well you clearly are a bigger hypocrite than what i thought you to be
        with no clue on what you say and what you have said.I dont know whether
        to to cry or laugh.Contradiction must be your second nature.You had a
        chance to prove your intelligence but the way ur going u will have to
        start from scratch and by that time “brother” it will be al
        over.HEZBOLLAH WILL NEVER DIE JUST MULTIPLY.You have some nerve question
        my loyalty you think you are the only one with famil,property ,home in
        Lebanon.You question my way of life in the west after you posted the
        following” my loyalties lie here first and Lebanon second. my values and
        ethics are the same here as they were back home. I didnt change to
        appease anyone. the west is not for certain people but for all FREEDOM
        loving people of all walks of life. My loyalties lie with the nation
        that gave my family a home and a future when my “home land” was being
        torn apart by individuals who’s hearts were filled with hate. You need
        to get  areality check and get your priorities straight.By the way
        looser im not a foreign entity in another country  we applied for
        residency our taxes go to this government.We didnt kick anyone out of
        their homes massacre steal and think we are superior.You clearly are way
        behind in debating with facts and logic.I think i have you figured out
        you belong to people who follow this newspaper YA HIBLAN”

        ok, well I dont remember telling HA to “die”…if thats even possible. Justice always prevails man, HA will disarm eventually if it wants to even continue to have any political significance.  Also im not questioning your “patriotism” to Lebanon or the country your living in, I was just pointing out the hypocritical tone of your initial post. but hey, I guess I need a reality check because my priorities are bent?

  3. 5thDrawer Avatar

    For CERTAIN the people should be educated in this …. and the government should be sending out the information ON PAPER to ALL the citizens. And it should be a ‘subject’ in school by the time children are 12.  But, If this is a ‘Parliamentary’ Democracy, then it has taken a strange form.
      Usually, the leader of the party which has the most votes from citizens, and thus becomes the ‘governing party’, is automatically the Prime Minister.  All elected representatives OF THE PEOPLE should be ‘free’ to cast votes on subjects which come before the ‘house’ no matter which party they are in, although one might assume they vote on ‘party lines’ usually or generally.
    THE PEOPLE, thinking they are voting to be represented by a person who will represent their wishes, and within the ‘aims’ of a party, elect the ones who will cast the votes on any particular matter that comes before the government – a government which generally wishes to better a country as a whole. If this occurs, the next election may then see them retain the ‘power’ – which is OF THE PEOPLE.
      We have seen problems in other countries (Greece, Italy ..) which have too many ‘parties’. Nothing works well when there are too many divisions of the people’s votes, and Prime Ministers with parties that barely have that desired majority fight against people and parties wanting only ‘power’ without considering doing what is ‘right’ and ‘best’ for a country as a whole or the freedoms that citizens desire in their lives. 3 or maybe 4 parties is quite enough for the citizens to have to make choices over.
      AND I should not need to say that running a country successfully AS A BUSINESS should not have ANY religion sticking it’s 2-cents worth into that business – especially AFTER the people have cast their votes for their representatives. Those ‘reps’ can be from any religion when people decide to work together, and OTHER countries, with even more ‘religions’ than Lebanon has in it, do very well with a Parliament of representatives elected by the people according to their ‘promises’ for things like infrastructure.
      And If a ‘religion-leader’ wants to run for election, then fine … but he won’t have time for ‘leading the flock’ then, will he? The business of the country will take all his time, one would hope. Otherwise, he should just preach on his particular ‘holy day’ to try to ‘sway’ the people if he has a particular agenda of his own.
      Gassan is right … this ‘system’ is broken if the votes of the people end up meaning nothing. As they seem to have.

    1. Ghassankaram Avatar
      Ghassankaram

      5thdrawer,
                    Secularism is a must for the proper functioning of a democracy. I sure hope that we can move in that direction but I am afraid that the journey will be long and ardous.

      1. I disagree with you Ghassan. If what you are saying is correct then communisms is the only democracy!!! I believe religious tolerance is a must in democracy not secularism. Lots of countries define themselves as secular but in reality it is religious tolerance. For example, when in court (state) a person raises his hand over the Bible (church) to say the truth and he will be punished if he lies. Our currency $ (state) says on it “In God we trust (church). I don’t think you’ll ever see a president (state) elected if he says he is not Christian (church).

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Libnan1 … I think an American $ says ‘In God We Trust’ … which could be anyone’s god … and the state recognizes that people have different religions, and people are free to practice them as long as they do not go against the law. (ie. killing for religious reasons is against more than one law). It’s simply that the thoughts of various religions which go against the ‘public good’ have been weened out of the laws – so that there is equality under the law. (hopefully) ‘We the people’ tries to eliminate from state control what does not belong to the state … the passions of humans.
            Communism is about TOTAL control of everything by a very few elite and despotic club members. Basically, it doesn’t work because everyone is afraid to do anything in case they make an error and the ‘thought police’, who also don’t know anything, come to ‘adjust’ them.
            As far as electing a President …. that is America’s silly system. It is a ‘Republic’. Like France. But it might be possible to be of any ‘religion’ and become president. After all, they eventually elected a Roman Catholic. 🙂 And now a ‘black’. 🙂 Who knows??? Seems they vote for the one with the best TV speech-writers these days …. hahahaa …. and the way the silly Baptists are going it sure looks like some form of Christian country. But, there IS the law.

        2. Ghassan Karam Avatar
          Ghassan Karam

          lbnan1,
                    Secularism does not mean that individuals do not have religious beliefs. They are free to worship whoever they want. Secularism is only about the separation between church and state. This simply means that people get an office based on merit and not the way they pray or whether they even choose to pray. BTW, I have conducted an informal survey in Lebanon a few years ago and I am convinced that a major problem in abolishing sectarianism is the misperception among many Lebanese that secularism implies no religious belief.

        3. 5th, I agree the law is above all. The law is executed by the court system, the courts determine the right from wrong by witnesses and evidence that are put accountable by raising their hand over a religious symbol.
          As for the President, yeah a Catholic was elected and it took this country long time to recognize that Catholics are Christians!!!!  My point is that religion and state are interconnected, we can still have a state and religion without one religion dominating others.
          We are long ways from a declared non Christian being elected to the US presidency. Religion runs deep in this country no matter what you see on the surface. 

        4. Thanks 5th corrected. 

        5. 5thDrawer Avatar

          (below)
          Welcome. And I’d guess for that to happen it would take what is called a ‘Mighty Leap Of Faith’.  😉
            Although, from what I’ve read from Obama’s 3rd month, every ‘Cracker’ and ‘Minuteman’ there thinks he’s a Muslim … :-))

      2. Secularism is the only cure for the Lebanese situation. Politicians should be elected by the Lebanese populace regardless of their religion. The qualifications should be the ability to run his/her post and how well he/she can do it.

        The only problem is the myth of seperation of church and state. I agree that Sharia law or even canon law should not be the law of the state but unfortunately they are part of politics as well. Banking regulated by the government is based on roman canon law. The Vatican has a tremendous influence on world politics and even worked in creating the UN and more recently the EU. If the World Bank and IMF are part of the Uniform Commercial Code(which is based on Canon law) then it is only logical to deduce that the entire world is using the banking law of a “religious” institution thus there’s no real division of church and state since they are both in bed with each other in the game of politics.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Well, if that’s your belief of why the EU, UN, (etc-that-you-hate) works, in that case all I can say is ‘Damn Good Thing  Too.’  Until you find something that works better, of course.
          But in government, secular is good, sectarian bad. On that we agree.

  4.  Avatar

    For CERTAIN the people should be educated in this …. and the government should be sending out the information ON PAPER to ALL the citizens. And it should be a ‘subject’ in school by the time children are 12.  But, If this is a ‘Parliamentary’ Democracy, then it has taken a strange form.
      Usually, the leader of the party which has the most votes from citizens, and thus becomes the ‘governing party’, is automatically the Prime Minister.  All elected representatives OF THE PEOPLE should be ‘free’ to cast votes on subjects which come before the ‘house’ no matter which party they are in, although one might assume they vote on ‘party lines’ usually or generally.
    THE PEOPLE, thinking they are voting to be represented by a person who will, and within the ‘aims’ of a party, elect the ones who will cast the votes on any particular matter that comes before the government – a government which generally wishes to better a country as a whole. If this occurs, the next election may then see them retain the ‘power’ – which is OF THE PEOPLE.
      We have seen problems in other countries (Greece, Italy ..) which have too many ‘parties’. Nothing works well when there are too many divisions of the people’s votes, and Prime Ministers with parties that barely have that desired majority fight against people and parties wanting only ‘power’ without considering doing what is ‘right’ and ‘best’ for a country as a whole or the freedoms that citizens desire in their lives. 3 or maybe 4 parties is quite enough for the citizens to have to make choices over.
      AND I should not need to say that running a country successfully AS A BUSINESS should not have ANY religion sticking it’s 2-cents worth into that business – especially AFTER the people have cast their votes for their representatives. Those ‘reps’ can be from any religion when people decide to work together, and OTHER countries, with even more ‘religions’ than Lebanon has in it, do very well with a Parliament of representatives elected by the people according to their ‘promises’ for things like infrastructure.
      And If a ‘religion-leader’ wants to run for election, then fine … but he won’t have time for ‘leading the flock’ then, will he? The business of the country will take all his time, one would hope. Otherwise, he should just preach on his particular ‘holy day’ to try to ‘sway’ the people if he has a particular agenda of his own.
      Gassan is right … this ‘system’ is broken if the votes of the people end up meaning nothing. As they seem to have.

    1.  Avatar

      5thdrawer,
                    Secularism is a must for the proper functioning of a democracy. I sure hope that we can move in that direction but I am afraid that the journey will be long and ardous.

      1.  Avatar

        I disagree with you Ghassan. If what you are saying is correct then communisms is the only democracy!!! I believe religious tolerance is a must in democracy not secularism. Lots of countries define themselves as secular but in reality it is religious tolerance. For example, when in court (state) a person raises his hand over the Bible (church) to say the truth and he will be punished if he lies. Our currency $ (state) says on it “In God we believe (church). I don’t think you’ll ever see a president (state) elected if he says he is not Christian (church).

        1.  Avatar

          Libnan1 … I think an American $ says ‘In God We Trust’ … which could be anyone’s god … and the state recognizes that people have different religions, and people are free to practice them as long as they do not go against the law. (ie. killing for religious reasons is against more than one law). It’s simply that the thoughts of various religions which go against the ‘public good’ have been weened out of the laws – so that there is equality under the law. (hopefully) ‘We the people’ tries to eliminate from state control what does not belong to the state … the passions of humans.
            Communism is about TOTAL control of everything by a very few elite and despotic club members. Basically, it doesn’t work because everyone is afraid to do anything in case they make an error and the ‘thought police’, who also don’t know anything, come to ‘adjust’ them.
            As far as electing a President …. that is America’s silly system. It is a ‘Republic’. Like France. But it might be possible to be of any ‘religion’ and become president. After all, they eventually elected a Roman Catholic. 🙂 And now a ‘black’. 🙂 Who knows??? Seems they vote for the one with the best TV speech-writers these days …. hahahaa …. and the way the silly Baptists are going it sure looks like some form of Christian country. But, there IS the law.

        2. lbnan1,
                    Secularism does not mean that individuals do not have religious beliefs. They are free to worship whoever they want. Secularism is only about the separation between church and state. This simply means that people get an office based on merit and not the way they pray or whether they even choose to pray. BTW, I have conducted an informal survey in Lebanon a few years ago and I am convinced that a major problem in abolishing sectarianism is the misperception among many Lebanese that secularism implies no religious belief.

        3.  Avatar

          5th, I agree the law is above all. The law is executed by the court system, the courts determine the right from wrong by witnesses and evidence that are put accountable by raising their hand over a religious symbol.
          As for the President, yeah a Catholic was elected and it took this country long time to recognize that Catholics are Christians!!!!  My point is that religion and state are interconnected, we can still have a state and religion without one religion dominating others.
          We are long ways from a declared non Christian being elected to the US presidency. Religion runs deep in this country no matter what you see on the surface. 

        4.  Avatar

          5th, I agree the law is above all. The law is executed by the court system, the courts determine the right from wrong by witnesses and evidence that are put accountable by raising their hand over a religious symbol.
          As for the President, yeah a Catholic was elected and it took this country long time to recognize that Catholics are Christians!!!!  My point is that religion and state are interconnected, we can still have a state and religion without one religion dominating others.
          We are long ways from a declared non Christian being elected to the US presidency. Religion runs deep in this country no matter what you see on the surface. 

        5.  Avatar

          Thanks 5th corrected. 

        6.  Avatar

          Thanks 5th corrected. 

        7.  Avatar

          Welcome. And I’d guess for that to happen it would take what is called a ‘Mighty Leap Of Faith’.  😉
            Although, from what I’ve read from Obama’s 3rd month, every ‘Cracker’ and ‘Minuteman’ there thinks he’s a Muslim … :-))

      2.  Avatar

        Secularism is the only cure for the Lebanese situation. Politicians should be elected by the Lebanese populace regardless of their religion. The qualifications should be the ability to run his/her post and how well he/she can do it.

        The only problem is the myth of seperation of church and state. I agree that Sharia law or even canon law should not be the law of the state but unfortunately they are part of politics as well. Banking regulated by the government is based on roman canon law. The Vatican has a tremendous influence on world politics and even worked in creating the UN and more recently the EU. If the World Bank and IMF are part of the Uniform Commercial Code(which is based on Canon law) then it is only logical to deduce that the entire world is using the banking law of a “religious” institution thus there’s no real division of church and state since they are both in bed with each other in the game of politics.

        1.  Avatar

          Well, if that’s your belief of why the EU, UN, (etc-that-you-hate) works, in that case all I can say is ‘Damn Good Thing  Too.’  Until you find something that works better, of course.
          But in government, secular is good, sectarian bad. On that we agree.

  5. I hope somebody out there hears your shouts from the hill tops.  Seriously speaking, the current governmental system lacks any form of effective accountability, and this creates an unstable environment between the Prime Minister and his cohorts.

    My question is how can a government in Lebanon be competent since some of the parliament deputies are also members of the current so called coucil of ministers.
    Finally, the time has come to put an end to this contradictory circus which only breeds corruption and at the same time undermines the legitimacy of the state.

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Amen to that, Sebouh

  6.  Avatar

    I hope somebody out there hears your shouts from the hill tops.  Seriously speaking, the current governmental system lacks any form of effective accountability, and this creates an unstable environment between the Prime Minister and his cohorts.

    My question is how can a government in Lebanon be competent since some of the parliament deputies are also members of the current so called coucil of ministers.
    Finally, the time has come to put an end to this contradictory circus which only breeds corruption and at the same time undermines the legitimacy of the state.

  7.  Avatar

    I hope somebody out there hears your shouts from the hill tops.  Seriously speaking, the current governmental system lacks any form of effective accountability, and this creates an unstable environment between the Prime Minister and his cohorts.

    My question is how can a government in Lebanon be competent since some of the parliament deputies are also members of the current so called coucil of ministers.
    Finally, the time has come to put an end to this contradictory circus which only breeds corruption and at the same time undermines the legitimacy of the state.

  8.  Avatar

    I hope somebody out there hears your shouts from the hill tops.  Seriously speaking, the current governmental system lacks any form of effective accountability, and this creates an unstable environment between the Prime Minister and his cohorts.

    My question is how can a government in Lebanon be competent since some of the parliament deputies are also members of the current so called coucil of ministers.
    Finally, the time has come to put an end to this contradictory circus which only breeds corruption and at the same time undermines the legitimacy of the state.

  9. PROPHET.T Avatar

    Ghassan,
    Ideally, you are right, but practically, the political system has so many flaws which prevents either the president or the prime minster to be effective.
    Neither a parliamentary nor a presidential system can function under the current sectarian conditions.Neither a President ,nor a PM can govern if He or she is there to represent a sect or a religion.
    Once we get rid of sectarianism, a presidential or a parliamentary system can work,and I’m willing to keep the representation of the sects as head of the three main offices for a period of time,until the public gets educated enough to accept a total secular system.
    Mikati became a prime minster because of an alliance among few political groups, and He is the weakest one of them, So it is no surprise that He can’t not call the shots, it’s the strong members of the coalition that have the final say.
    The previous government ,which was supposed to be a national unity government was doomed to fail because of the unnatural make up of its opposing members.
    The Taeif agreement, as you pointed out,did start the trend by stripping power from the office of the president, and giving it the council of the minsters as a whole .It is definitely not an accident that power was not given to the Prime minster . It was all meant to keep a balance of power among the tribes and sects of Lebanon., which bring us back the most important flaw of our political structure; sectarianism.
    Unless we address this problem, we have no hope of having any government, capable enough to govern successfully.
    Either we reinstate the presidential system, along with its powers, where the president is elected directly by the public, or make the parliamentary system more functional by reforming the election system where by the PM is elected directly or through a system where He or his political party wins a direct election.

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Prophet.t
                   I have been an advocate of secularism for as long as I remember. It sure is the goal, at least my goal. But even in the absence of secularism we ought not compound our mistakes by creating intentionally a cabinet that by definition will not be able to work harmoniously or effectively.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar

        Ghassan, I never suggested  that you had not  been an advocate of secularism at all;I know you  have been.. It just  seems that without reforms, all cabinets are  doomed  to be  ineffective.
        In your replay to libnan1, You touched on a very important point,which is the perception among many Lebanese that secularism implies no religious belief. I think you are right. I’d urge you to write piece about this topic. I think it is well needed.

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar

        People need to study the British system of Parliamentary Democracy. It is the oldest example of that form of government and seems to work reasonably well. On the average, it functioned for ALL of it’s people over a long period of time. Other countries may have adjusted it somewhat to suit their needs, of course, as did the British over time, but it is a good basis to begin from.

      3. greetings ghassan and thanks for your contribution to this forum as it is full of thought provoking nutrition.

        when you said we ought not compound our mistakes i look at it as a duty  and responsibility on all leabnese citizens that they no longer have  forgivable excuses to experiment and maintain their old ways, for the following reasons.

        1 when the us attempted to introduce democracy to iraq they were naive and unfamiliar to all the phsycological dna of that culture and the many factors made it  like planting a palm tree in alaska. neither the americans or the iraqis knew what they did not know.

        2 the evolution of arab spring and where it leads up to remains to be seen as many tenticles and special intrests are druling at how far they can tug control in their direction, lebanon is waaaay past that stage with 200 000 casualties under its belt.

        3 democracy is not foreign or new to  lebanon and  as the different minorities in the past did coexist and   expats of today many  of us have been exposed to living  side by side with every culture under the sun likely in a democratic society free from any sectarianism and though not allways perfect it has worked well.

        4 the generation that saw the beginig of the civil war has very little time left to make a difference by using their scars and their sins to better the world they leave behind for their children  .only they can hold hands with former foes and out number and out muscle all the suspects steering the bus  in circles to nowhere.

      4. Ghassan,
        In theory administrative secularism is great, text books don’t always work in practical life. Lets take the US, per definition it is a secular society. The US cabinet has a Hispanic, a black, a Lebanese, an Asian and women. They were intentionally picked to reflect the US population. They happen to be what the president thought were the most qualified to represent their ethnic population. I’m sure there are many whites that think they are better qualified than the ones appointed.
        This brings me to Lebanon where best qualified from each sect represents his or her sect, otherwise the most educated sect will dominate most government positions and then hell will break loose all over again. The Taif must be reversed, the majority of Lebanese did not know how well the original system worked until they saw this MAHLOTA we got now.          

  10. PROPHET.T Avatar

    Ghassan,
    Ideally, you are right, but practically, the political system has so many flaws which prevents either the president or the prime minster to be functional.
    Whether a president or prime minster, neither can govern if He or she is there to represent a sect or a religion.

    A parliamentary or a presidential system cannot function under the current sectarian conditions.
    Mikati became a prime minster because of an alliance among few political groups, and He is the weakest one of them, So it is no surprise that He can’t not call the shots, it’s the strong members of the coalition that have the final say.
    The previous government ,which was supposed to be a national unity government was doomed to fail because of the unnatural make up of its opposing members.
    The Taeif did start the trend by stripping power from the office of the president, and gave it the council of the minsters as a whole .It is definitely not an accident that power was not given to the Prime minster . It was all meant to keep a balance of power among the tribes and sects of Lebanon., which bring us back the most important flaw of our political structure; sectarianism.
    Unless we address this problem, we have no hope of having any government, capable enough to govern successfully.
    Either we reinstate the presidential system, along with its powers, where the president is elected directly by the public, or make the parliamentary system more functional by reforming the election system where by the PM is elected directly or through a system where He or his political party wins a direct election.
    Once we get rid of sectarianism, a presidential or a parliamentary system can work.

    1. Prophet.t
                   I have been an advocate of secularism for as long as I remember. It sure is the goal, at least my goal. But even in the absence of secularism we ought not compound our mistakes by creating intentionally a cabinet that by definition will not be able to work harmoniously or effectively.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar

        Ghassan, I never suggested  that you had not  been an advocate of secularism at all;I know you  have been.. It just  seems that without reforms, all cabinets are  doomed  to be  ineffective.

      2. PROPHET.T Avatar

        Ghassan, I never suggested  that you had not  been an advocate of secularism at all;I know you  have been.. It just  seems that without reforms, all cabinets are  doomed  to be  ineffective.

      3.  Avatar

        People need to study the British system of Parliamentary Democracy. It is the oldest example of that form of government and seems to work reasonably well. On the average, it functioned for ALL of it’s people over a long period of time. Other countries may have adjusted it somewhat to suit their needs, of course, as did the British over time, but it is a good basis to begin from.

      4. greetings ghassan and thanks for your contribution to this forum as it is full of thought provoking nutrition.

        when you said we ought not compound our mistakes i look at it as a duty  and responsibility on all leabnese citizens that they no longer have  forgivable excuses to experiment and maintain their old ways, for the following reasons.

        1 when the us attempted to introduce democracy to iraq they were naive and unfamiliar to all the phsycological dna of that culture and the many factors made it  like planting a palm tree in alaska. neither the americans or the iraqis knew what they did not know.

        2 the evelotion of arab spring and where it leads up to remains to be seen as many tenticles and special intrests are druling at how far they can tug control in their direction, lebanon is waaaay past that stage with 200 000 casualties under its belt.

        3 democracy is not foreign or new to  lebanon and  as the different minorities in the past did coexist and   expats of today many  of us have been exposed to living  side by side with every culture under the sun likely in a democratic society free from any sectarianism and though not allways perfect it has worked well.

        4 the generation that saw the beginig of the civil war has very little time left to make a difference by using their scars and their sins to better the world they leave behind for their children  .only they can hold hands with former foes and out number and out muscle all the suspects steering the bus  in circles to nowhere.

      5.  Avatar

        Ghassan,
        In theory administrative secularism is great, text books don’t always work in practical life. Lets take the US, per definition it is a secular society. The US cabinet has a Hispanic, a black, a Lebanese, an Asian and women. They were intentionally picked to reflect the US population. They happen to be what the president thought were the most qualified to represent their ethnic population. I’m sure there are many whites that think they are better qualified than the ones appointed.
        This brings me to Lebanon where best qualified from each sect represents his or her sect, otherwise the most educated sect will dominate most government positions and then hell will break loose all over again. The Taif must be reversed, the majority of Lebanese did not know how well the original system worked until they saw this MAHLOTA we got now.          

    2. Prophet.t
                   I have been an advocate of secularism for as long as I remember. It sure is the goal, at least my goal. But even in the absence of secularism we ought not compound our mistakes by creating intentionally a cabinet that by definition will not be able to work harmoniously or effectively.

  11. I agree with you Ghassan but it is difficult to change this situation !I m afraid to say that nothing will change unless an end is put  to all armed groups  They have the power and they are in control!A state cannot be built like this!

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Fawzia45,
                   You are right again:-) A state cannot function efficiently if it does not have a monopoly over arms.

  12.  Avatar

    I agree with you Ghassan but it is difficult to change this situation !I m afraid to say that nothing will change unless an end is put  to all armed groups  They have the power and they are in control!A state cannot be built like this!

    1. Fawzia45,
                   You are right again:-) A state cannot function efficiently if it does not have a monopoly over arms.

  13. Overall this is a good working government.

  14.  Avatar

    Overall this is good working government.

  15. The Lebanese Government: Who Is In Control? Society of Jesus

    1. your comment is somewhat nebulous and inacurate, jesus said many will come on the basis of my name and will mislead many  (mathew 24 .5)clearly indicating false psudo christaian figures  will come  and successsfully convince  many that they are living as such.  in .(mathew 7 22. 23)  jesus said get away from me i never knew you   you workers of lawlessness.

      although many have their  own version of qualifying  what it is to be a christian the only accurate examples to follow were early deciples and followers whom never got involved in politics and never served in any military fashion.

      society of jesus should  should mean  society of christ like people, sorry  the results would have been complely different.

      1. Yes, but unfortunately that’s the name the Jesuits decided to use for their own group. They are sinning in Jesus’s name. After they take their fourth vow, they actually end up worshipping Lucifer. You can not become a Jesuit without it.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          So … stop at level 2.  🙂

    2. 10,452 FOR EVER!

      1. Ofcourse man 😉

  16.  Avatar

    The Lebanese Government: Who Is In Control? Society of Jesus

    1. your comment is somewhat nebulous and inacurate, jesus said many will come on the basis of my name and will mislead many  (mathew 24 .5)clearly indicating false psudo christaian figures  will come  and successsfully convince  many that they are living as such.  in .(mathew 7 22. 23)  jesus said get away from me i never knew you   you workers of lawlessness.

      although many have their  own version of qualifying  what it is to be a christian the only accurate examples to follow were early deciples and followers whom never got involved in politics and never served in any military fashion.

      society of jesus should  should mean  society of christ like people, sorry  the results would have been complely different.

      1.  Avatar

        Yes, but unfortunately that’s the name the Jesuits decided to use for their own group. They are sinning in Jesus’s name. After they take their fourth vow, they actually end up worshipping Lucifer. You can not become a Jesuit without it.

        1.  Avatar

          So … stop at level 2.  🙂

    2.  Avatar

      10,452 FOR EVER!

      1.  Avatar

        Ofcourse man 😉

  17. lebanon is a democratic feafdom, lets all just agree to that n try to work something out. we want that, we follow personalities with titles, we vote for them.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Ahhh … Indeed … Yes … ‘Personality Cults’ … I begin to understand … nothing to do with religion.

  18. lebanon is a democratic feafdom, lets all just agree to that n try to work something out. we want that, we follow personalities with titles, we vote for them.

    1.  Avatar

      Ahhh … Indeed … Yes … ‘Personality Cults’ … I begin to understand …

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