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Franjieh called for direct talks with Israel in 2008 , report

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Marada Movement leader MP Suleiman Franjieh suggested during a 2008 meeting with former US Ambassador to Lebanon Michele Sison that direct talks between Lebanon (partnered with Syria ) and Israel would “resolve” Hezbollah’s arms’ issue, a US cable leaked by WikiLeaks said.

According to the leaked cable , Franjieh told Sison on October 27, 2008 that “Syrian President Bashar al-Assad had asked his Lebanese counterpart, Michel Suleiman, to open direct negotiations with Israel during the latter’s August 13-14 visit to Damascus.”

“Syria and Lebanon shared the same interests in reaching a peace agreement with Israel,” the cable quoted Franjieh as saying.

He added that “this would get rid of the Hezbollah problem.” However, he said that March 14 parties “refused direct negotiations with Israel because, blinded by their hatred of Syria, they prefer the ‘no peace, no war’ status quo.”

WikiLeaks also quoted Franjieh as “opposing the formation of a third Christian bloc under President Suleiman, and blamed Lebanese Forces leader Samir Geagea for the failed reconciliation efforts between his party and Marada.”

“He also defended his Christian ally Free Patriotic Movement leader MP Michel Aoun’s recent trip to Iran, as well as Hezbollah’s actions in May [2008],” when gunmen from the Shiite militant group occupied almost half of Beirut.

“ Franjieh claimed his alliance with Hezbollah and Aoun was the result of Sunni failure to allow real Christian representation,” the cable added. Now Lebanon

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50 responses to “Franjieh called for direct talks with Israel in 2008 , report”

  1. geo metro Avatar
    geo metro

    the star cast of this article .
     syria.
    gaega.
    aoun.
    franjieh.
    hezbollah.
     mixed together make up the very toxic blend  that allways is detremental to lebanons future.
     the only intrest they bring to the table is the conflict of intrest due to their contmept for one another which makes them unfit for public service and holds their followers hostage from any progress.
     a savy leader without reproach and free from war time accusations and a pair of KING KONG size balls needs no approval for a peace deal with israel from NOBODY.
    lebanon intrest to benefit all lebanese quatlity of life and prosperity is the number 1 issue.
    those who lump syrias intrests with lebanons disqualify from public office and representing the lebanese people.
    lebanon  have made a bad example for 3 decades in the eyes of the world and paid dearly and will continue to pay.
    the minute all lebanese people join hands and tell ALL outsiders to FUNK OFF they will begin a new chapter that will be second to none as far as coexistence goes.

    1. Fadi81 Avatar
      Fadi81

      I like how in your “star cast” you include Geagea…when in fact he is only mentioned in regards to “the reconciliation” issue with Marada, and according to Franjieh’s OPINION its “Geagea’s fault” reconciliation broke down?!?!

      how about the fact Franjieh is in bed with terrorist dogs that are dragging our country thru the mud!

      So please dont include him in your ‘broad’  cast of scum bags…And as far as telling all outsider to “funk off” I disagree, we can tell all negative outsiders to funk off! like those who have delivered nothing but division and bloodshed to Lebanon for their own self interests. (and I think we both know who those Nations are)

      As far as most western and modern diplomatic nations are concerned I think Lebanon should open its arms to them, just as they have opened their arms to MANY Lebanese!

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Good to note … there are actually more Lebanese now elsewhere than there are in Lebanon. And that’s not because they are having more babies in those ‘westernized’ countries. Would be nice to attract some back … for sure it’s not the weather stopping them.

  2. geo metro Avatar
    geo metro

    the star cast of this article .
     syria.
    gaega.
    aoun.
    franjieh.
    hezbollah.
     mixed together make up the very toxic blend  that allways is detremental to lebanons future.
     the only intrest they bring to the table is the conflict of intrest due to their contmept for one another which makes them unfit for public service and holds their followers hostage from any progress.
     a savy leader without reproach and free from war time accusations and a pair of KING KONG size balls needs no approval for a peace deal with israel from NOBODY.
    lebanon intrest to benefit all lebanese quatlity of life and prosperity is the number 1 issue.
    those who lump syrias intrests with lebanons disqualify from public office and representing the lebanese people.
    lebanon  have made a bad example for 3 decades in the eyes of the world and paid dearly and will continue to pay.
    the minute all lebanese people join hands and tell ALL outsiders to FUNK OFF they will begin a new chapter that will be second to none as far as coexistence goes.

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      I like how in your “star cast” you include Geagea…when in fact he is only mentioned in regards to “the reconciliation” issue with Marada, and according to Franjieh’s OPINION its “Geagea’s fault” reconciliation broke down?!?!

      how about the fact Franjieh is in bed with terrorist dogs that are dragging our country thru the mud!

      So please dont include him in your ‘broad’  cast of scum bags…And as far as telling all outsider to “funk off” I disagree, we can tell all negative outsiders to funk off! like those who have delivered nothing but division and bloodshed to Lebanon for their own self interests. (and I think we both know who those Nations are)

      As far as most western and modern diplomatic nations are concerned I think Lebanon should open its arms to them, just as they have opened their arms to MANY Lebanese!

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        Good to note … there are actually more Lebanese now elsewhere than there are in Lebanon. And that’s not because they are having more babies in those ‘westernized’ countries. Would be nice to attract some back … for sure it’s not the weather stopping them.

        1. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

          5th you are correct i believe 10.5 million lebanese live outside of lebanon and while everyone has their reason not to go back here is my deal breakers.
          -outrageous cost of living
          i am canadianized 17 years and americanized another 17
          -i am non political
          -highly allergic to second hand smoke
          -unstable conditions that could flare up any moment are worrisome
          -i like constant flow of electricity
          i love constant flow of water
          -littering freaks me out really bad
          -i can do a better job providing and protecting my wife and elderly mom in usa
          -as an animal lover going in a beirut pet shop almost  resulted in me being charged with murder of shop owner.
          -last but not least, drivers are rude stupid and  dangerous especially the ones with expensive cars cut me no break when they see  me in a compact picanto rental car with a tourist lic plate . i dont know how to say this politely but i own 34 cars a few  with prancing horses on the hood and traffic laws are applied  and are enforced in the society i live in no matter what you drive and i cannot imagine a pleasant drive anywhere in lebanon without being on zoloft.

        2. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Hehehe … understand Geo … last taxi ride I had from Beirut to Tripoli was better than a roller coaster – and an hour faster than normal. Hard to believe the way the car looked it could actually go that fast. Figured I might do as everyone else and leave the seat-belt off … something like taking hands off the bar at the top of the first long drop.
          What a rush ! 🙂

      2. geo metro Avatar
        geo metro

        fadi thanks for your reply,
        please dont misunderstand my comment as a personal attack against any of them.

         i chose my words carefully and i clearly indicated that  (mixed together) skews the  direction in an undesirable direction.

         it is franjiehs own words that confirm switching alliances to spite the sunnis and geagea is a common sport in the politics arena . either way  i have no allegiance to any of them as they are all rewarded  and live like kings  regardless of their performance.

        while i am not in a position to judge any of them my motive is strictly humanitarian to the commoners that pay the price when these leaders fail to bring change.
        i am all for great relations with the international comunity as long as it does not serve their alterior motive (and i am with you on the 2 prime suspect}
        although my lebanese language is rusty and broken i recall my late father telling me and my brother when we fought “kilo khara baadikon”
        the same way these leaders need to each each others crap and  be humbled as their record does not allways hold up.

        serve the country or do the noble thing and ALL of them… step down and make room for the new generation of young men and women with great minds and education, and free from any accusations of the past.

        1. Kamran Aghajani Avatar
          Kamran Aghajani

          nothing better than a bunch of Lebanese expats commenting on the affairs of a country they no longer live in.

        2. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Kamran … doesn’t mean they don’t have the connections … and sometimes you need a perspective from outside the problem to recognize what it is. When you’re in it, your time is spent worrying about saving your ass.

        3. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Kamran … doesn’t mean they don’t have the connections … and sometimes you need a perspective from outside the problem to recognize what it is. When you’re in it, your time is spent worrying about saving your ass.

        4. geo metro Avatar
          geo metro

           thank you  kamran ayatollah rug  weaving aghajani, how is the weather in tehran today?

      3. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Fadi, you sound too intelligent to worship or even defend   a warlord. Please  do not  take  offence  by my  criticism ;you and  I  know that all of  the  warlord   who  championed  the  civil wars, which  cost  us  over  200 thousand  people, were  wrong and should not  be even  called  leaders. Those  who  lost  their  lives   have  some   dignity .I’m not  excluding  any  one of  those  people.
        This  whole  notion of  supporting  blindly  or  opposing  blindly  is totally wrong. It traps  people  in  history, and  never  allows them  to  understand the  other side .
         To you Geagea may seem perfect, while to others He is not. Same  thing could  be said  about  Franjeih or  Aoun, erri, Jumblat ,or  whoever,  where  those  who  like them ,think  that  they  are  perfect, and others  who  do not  like them, like  yourself, think  that they are  scumbags.

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          No, to me Geagea does not seem perfect, nor does any man. we are all human and flawed that is certain. BUT I know right from wrong and I expect those who we elect to represent us in Govt do as well. I also hold our elected officials to their word and hope they have accountability to the people who elected them. This criminal govt in Lebanon does not have the peoples vote and the individuals who completely back stabbed the voters and jumped in bed with the enemy will never be forgotten. I no longer dwell on the civil war nor do I bring it up when trying to justify my political stance. If any of the other characters Geo mentioned in his original post even spent HALF the time Geagea did in prison, and actually reformed and proved so as he has I would give them their chance until they prove me wrong. This is not about who I “like” and who someone else “likes” but rather about justice and honouring our martyrs and eliminating impunity for the terrorist armed gangs that continue to disrespect our homeland.

        2. Avatar
          Anonymous

          “Fadi, you sound too intelligent to worship or even defend a warlord”.

          What warlord??? where is he, and where is his weapons and the wars he is waging??? can you please fill me in as im a bit confused, but if you’re refering to the civil war times than please ask all of us Lebanese men and women to be accountable to the same standard. Not one of you can give any legitement argument as to what this man has done wrong since being released from prison for false charges that were laid on him by the Syrian puppet govt.

          This man helped spear head the Cedar Revolution, and for that he deserves our respect. This man sticks to his word and he is accountable to the people he represents. All of us who supported the movement that got 30,000 foreign terrorist troups out of our homeland have been spit on by this govt!

          WE ARE MOVING BACKWARDS, and not because of what GEagea did in the civil war or because what Aoun did or whoever for that matter, but because of the current illegal arms that continue to hold progress hostage!

      4. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Fadi, you sound too intelligent to worship or even defend   a warlord. Please  do not  take  offence  by my  criticism ;you and  I  know that all of  the  warlord   who  championed  the  civil wars, which  cost  us  over  200 thousand  people, were  wrong and should not  be even  called  leaders. Those  who  lost  their  lives   have  some   dignity .I’m not  excluding  any  one of  those  people.
        This  whole  notion of  supporting  blindly  or  opposing  blindly  is totally wrong. It traps  people  in  history, and  never  allows them  to  understand the  other side .
         To you Geagea may seem perfect, while to others He is not. Same  thing could  be said  about  Franjeih or  Aoun, erri, Jumblat ,or  whoever,  where  those  who  like them ,think  that  they  are  perfect, and others  who  do not  like them, like  yourself, think  that they are  scumbags.

    2. Avatar
      Anonymous

      Lebanon’s future was never really in their hands. They are mere instruments used to carry out a plan and are often deceived time after time. This country is controlled by the Societe de Jesus(Society of Jesus) but not wholly by the one based in Lebanon. They influence the decisions of the board of advisors of both Geagea and Aoun. They were behind the trouble in Hareb Al-Elgha2 when they didn’t stop the Lebanese Christians from killing each other at first. The Vatican made an under the table deal with the Saudies many months prior to Taef and even enforced its acceptance on Mar Nasrallah Butros Sfeir. It was an exit strategy to the civil war and it was already planned so they needed the most powerful militia at the time(Lebanese Forces) to give up their weapons. They were not willing to do so; Aoun instigated a war on the Lebanese Forces with advice from the Jesuits which in turn weakened the LF and caused it to later give up its weapons and accept the terms of the Taif.

    3. Avatar
      Anonymous

      Lebanon’s future was never really in their hands. They are mere instruments used to carry out a plan and are often deceived time after time. This country is controlled by the Societe de Jesus(Society of Jesus) but not wholly by the one based in Lebanon. They influence the decisions of the board of advisors of both Geagea and Aoun. They were behind the trouble in Hareb Al-Elgha2 when they didn’t stop the Lebanese Christians from killing each other at first. The Vatican made an under the table deal with the Saudies many months prior to Taef and even enforced its acceptance on Mar Nasrallah Butros Sfeir. It was an exit strategy to the civil war and it was already planned so they needed the most powerful militia at the time(Lebanese Forces) to give up their weapons. They were not willing to do so; Aoun instigated a war on the Lebanese Forces with advice from the Jesuits which in turn weakened the LF and caused it to later give up its weapons and accept the terms of the Taif.

    4. Avatar
      Anonymous

      Lebanon’s future was never really in their hands. They are mere instruments used to carry out a plan and are often deceived time after time. This country is controlled by the Societe de Jesus(Society of Jesus) but not wholly by the one based in Lebanon. They influence the decisions of the board of advisors of both Geagea and Aoun. They were behind the trouble in Hareb Al-Elgha2 when they didn’t stop the Lebanese Christians from killing each other at first. The Vatican made an under the table deal with the Saudies many months prior to Taef and even enforced its acceptance on Mar Nasrallah Butros Sfeir. It was an exit strategy to the civil war and it was already planned so they needed the most powerful militia at the time(Lebanese Forces) to give up their weapons. They were not willing to do so; Aoun instigated a war on the Lebanese Forces with advice from the Jesuits which in turn weakened the LF and caused it to later give up its weapons and accept the terms of the Taif.

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        2160Dickhead … you couldn’t shout that out at us fast enough so you sent it twice?

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Say that to me in real life and have your face on the pavement licking it clean with the bottom of my shoe squashing your head down on the sidewalk.

          Angry are we that I’m revealing information?? I’m not going to leave anything out about you scum; jesuits, zionists, religious extremists, freemasons, globalists and communists.
           
          I’m going to reveal information only intelligence agencies and wikileaks know about and there’s nothing you can do about it.

          I sent it twice by mistake and it’s a good that I did. Maybe pigheaded people like yourself can read it twice and understand it from the second time around.

        2. Avatar
          Anonymous

          calling him a dickhead is an insult to all dickheads.

    5. Avatar
      Anonymous

      Lebanon’s future was never really in their hands. They are mere instruments used to carry out a plan and are often deceived time after time. This country is controlled by the Societe de Jesus(Society of Jesus) but not wholly by the one based in Lebanon. They influence the decisions of the board of advisors of both Geagea and Aoun. They were behind the trouble in Hareb Al-Elgha2 when they didn’t stop the Lebanese Christians from killing each other at first. The Vatican made an under the table deal with the Saudies many months prior to Taef and even enforced its acceptance on Mar Nasrallah Butros Sfeir. It was an exit strategy to the civil war and it was already planned so they needed the most powerful militia at the time(Lebanese Forces) to give up their weapons. They were not willing to do so; Aoun instigated a war on the Lebanese Forces with advice from the Jesuits which in turn weakened the LF and caused it to later give up its weapons and accept the terms of the Taif.

  3. libnan1 Avatar
    libnan1

    I just can’t believe these guys spill their guts in front of the US ambassador, it’s like being in the confession booth. Just do what Aoun does, hold a news conference. 

    1. 2160John Avatar
      2160John

      Aoun, Geagea, Jumblat, Gemayel, Hariri etc should be sent to the guillotine for high treason in revealing insider information to the enemy. All this information gets sent from the US straight to Israel. And when the EU passes by, it gets sent to NATO  and then to Israel. NATO is like Israel’s best buddy in finding out secrets about their enemies with the exception of Turkey recently(to a certain extent) When you are sitting in a room with an EU politician that is associated with NATO then it’s just as bad as sitting with a Mossad agent since they will pass on all the info to Unit 8200 for processing and which will then in turn be sent to the director of the Mossad Tamir Pardo and his terrorist decision committee.

  4. Avatar
    Anonymous

    I just can’t believe these guys spill their guts in front of the US ambassador, it’s like being in the confession booth. Just do what Aoun does, hold a news conference. 

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      Aoun, Geagea, Jumblat, Gemayel, Hariri etc should be sent to the guillotine for high treason in revealing insider information to the enemy. All this information gets sent from the US straight to Israel. And when the EU passes by, it gets sent to NATO  and then to Israel. NATO is like Israel’s best buddy in finding out secrets about their enemies with the exception of Turkey recently(to a certain extent) When you are sitting in a room with an EU politician that is associated with NATO then it’s just as bad as sitting with a Mossad agent since they will pass on all the info to Unit 8200 for processing and which will then in turn be sent to the director of the Mossad Tamir Pardo and his terrorist decision committee.

  5. 2160John Avatar
    2160John

    Notice how most of the Lebanese politicians(March 8 and 14), reveal insider information to the US Ambassador as if they are reporting to a higher up on the chain of command.

    They put the Lebanese people, other political parties and the country at risk by revealing information which is none of the business of other organizations/countries whether it’s the US, EU or even other Arab countries. It’s like a slave reporting to his slavemaster.

    I only respect Hezbollah for refusing to meet with the CIA while all the other political parties meet with them and blindly reveal information with the CIA liaison officers.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      The more open the flow of information, the more free the people. 🙂
         Wikileakers may provide some service after all.
      And I confess my cat has fleas now … so you know in future.

  6. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Notice how most of the Lebanese politicians(March 8 and 14), reveal insider information to the US Ambassador as if they are reporting to a higher up on the chain of command.

    They put the Lebanese people, other political parties and the country at risk by revealing information which is none of the business of other organizations/countries whether it’s the US, EU or even other Arab countries. It’s like a slave reporting to his slavemaster.

    I only respect Hezbollah for refusing to meet with the CIA while all other political parties meet with them and blindly reveal information with the CIA liaison officers.

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      The more open the flow of information, the more free the people. 🙂
         Wikileakers may provide some service after all.And I confess my cat has fleas now … so you know in future.

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