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Dialogue with Hezbollah is pointless says Geagea

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Lebanese Forces leader Samir Geagea condemned the crackdown on pro-democracy protests in Syria and said that change in the country is “inevitable.”

Geagea added that he does not see the point of holding national dialogue meetings meetings if the Syrian- Iranian-backed Hezbollah group is not willing to address the use of its arms.

“If Hezbollah has nothing to offer, then what is the point of [resuming dialogue]?”

“The numbers of victims are rising every day [in Syria], and this will only deepen divisions and further incite the uprising,” Geagea said in an interview with Al-Jumhuriya newspaper published on Monday.

According to the Syrian Observatory, 1,483 civilians are now confirmed dead in the government crackdown on dissent since mid-March. The violence has also claimed the lives of 365 troops and security forces.

Also, at least 12,000 people have been arrested and thousands have fled to neighboring Turkey and Lebanon, rights groups say.

Geagea added that Lebanon’s defense strategy based on “the people, army and Resistance” combination will only lead to further “chaos and destruction.”

He also said that the cabinet decision to again appoint a Shia to the post of General Security chief was a “scandal.”

The post was originally granted to the Christian Maronites but was given to the Shia in 1998.

He voiced regret that “the Christians lost a golden opportunity to be reinstated in [public administrations].”

“Hezbollah only gave [its ally, Change and Reform bloc MP Michel] Aoun, 10 seats in cabinet and told him ‘this is enough’,” Geagea added, echoing the statements of some of the March 14 alliance figures that the Shia group is the “real decision maker” in government.

The Hezbollah-led March 8 coalition forced the collapse of Saad Hariri’s government in January over the dispute about the UN-backed Special Tribunal for Lebanon (STL), which is probing former PM Rafik Hariri’s 2005 assassination.

Last month, a new cabinet dominated by March 8 and headed by PM Najib Mikati was formed and granted parliament’s vote of confidence on July 7.

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42 responses to “Dialogue with Hezbollah is pointless says Geagea”

  1. 316909 Avatar
    316909

    Good. No talking. Lets gamble on Assad either falling or having to change his position on Iran and HA. In the end when the regime is backed up against the wall and have no choice they will do anything to stay in power. Now this means it could get very ugly or they may play ball. I dont think the regime in Syria wants a civil war and I think they would gladly change alliances to stay in power. The problem with this is at what cost and for how long. Syria is known to flip flop and Assad would be willing to end his support to HA if he is given control of Lebanon as his father did to the PLO before and during the first gulf war. In the end Syria only wants to control Lebanon and have never really been that close to HA until HA gained influence after the 2005 murder of Harriri. HA need Syria for supplies and Syria need HA and Iran for some control in Lebanon. If Assad is offered Lebanon and they bring him back in from the cold (establish real diplomatic relations with the west and Gulf) he may be willing to cut HA off and even finish them. His father did the exact thing to the PLO.

    If the regime in Syria falls because they just decide to slug it out or the offer never comes HA is really screwed!! Assad may still give political Support to HA in Lebanon and keep some supplies open because he is a snake and a liar like that but the people that take over after him are 100% anti Iran and HA.

    I personally would offer Assad the chance to stay in power but he has to end HA and then I would restart the demonstrations once he finishes the job and back stab him as he has always done….

    1. antar2011 Avatar
      antar2011

      errr… they have talked and negotiated and extended a hand since 2005 and th eother side had promised and promised and agrred then withdrew all promises and agreements like dishonourable dogs…. the current opposition have given them everything and were ready to ‘negotiate’ on anything as long as HA puts down its arms….the other side does not want to put down his arms….so what does anyone wanting the current opposition more to do?.

      at the end of the day, if anyone learnt anything from the past 2005 is that you cannot  negotiate with dishonest thugs. that includes of Assad changed his mind.

      but he wouldn’t, he has changed directions from his late father. his father was still under arab umbrella…this Assad now has only iran as a friend…and iran is no friend of arabs.

      so what’s the solution?
      leave the syrian pple to deal with assad themselves…we can take his weakness to our own advantage but we cannot be involved nor can we extend our hands to the tyrant…we, as lebanese need not to rely on anyone, including our own leaders and just stand against pple like Nasrullah, Aoun and other thugs who are willing to take down the country with its pple.

      your suggestion looks tempting but i always believe in “means do not justify the ends’ so while it is tempting but it is not the right thing to do….in my opinion anyway.

    2. josephphdman Avatar
      josephphdman

      there is no change of course this time , i think the us has given up on assad  they have given him toomany chances in the past 12 years but he keeps loosing his opportuniies to work with the free word ,instead he chosen the radicalway ha and iran, the syrian people are not going back to where they were no matter what assad proposes, the regeme will fall but it will be a long bloody road , but its going to fall i believe ,just a matter of time ; now the us and the free world should plan post assad era ,and should plan   to deal with a democratic governement in syria ;when that take power they will cut off ha completley and eventually ha will dissappear from lebanon
      the best advise to president assad is to he could save innocent lives ,just withdraw to the moutain and declare his own alawite states and leave the rest of syria elect there pesident in a free democratic election monitered by the un 
      there will be 3 states the alawite,the sunnis state , and the kurds state ,and the un approval they will transit to democracy all 3 of them ,this way they save the civilians lives and save syria from destuction;otherwise syria is heading to a complete chaos and a bloody civil war which will evantually result in regeme collapsing.

      1. 316909 Avatar
        316909

        if you google “316909 yalibnan” you will see I said the same thing 3 months ago (syria being divided) but I said the golan will be a druz nation, kurds and syria. maybe its better the way you think it would happen with assad declaring a alawite nation….. that may be the best thing for him since he can take all the money and weapons he wants with him.

  2. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Good. No talking. Lets gamble on Assad either falling or having to change his position on Iran and HA. In the end when the regime is backed up against the wall and have no choice they will do anything to stay in power. Now this means it could get very ugly or they may play ball. I dont think the regime in Syria wants a civil war and I think they would gladly change alliances to stay in power. The problem with this is at what cost and for how long. Syria is known to flip flop and Assad would be willing to end his support to HA if he is given control of Lebanon as his father did to the PLO before and during the first gulf war. In the end Syria only wants to control Lebanon and have never really been that close to HA until HA gained influence after the 2005 murder of Harriri. HA need Syria for supplies and Syria need HA and Iran for some control in Lebanon. If Assad is offered Lebanon and the bring him back in from the cold (establish real diplomatic relations with the west and Gulf) he may be willing to cut HA off and even finish them. His father did the exact thing to the PLO.

    If the regime in Syria falls because they just decide to slug it out or the offer never comes HA is really screwed!! Assad may still give political Support to HA in Lebanon and keep some supplies open because he is a snake and a liar like that but the people that take over after him are 100% anti Iran and HA.

    I personally would offer Assad the chance to stay in power but he has to end HA and then I would restart the demonstrations once he finishes the job and back stab him as he has always done….

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      errr… they have talked and negotiated and extended a hand since 2005 and th eother side had promised and promised and agrred then withdrew all promises and agreements like dishonourable dogs…. the current opposition have given them everything and were ready to ‘negotiate’ on anything as long as HA puts down its arms….the other side does not want to put down his arms….so what does anyone wanting the current opposition more to do?.

      at the end of the day, if anyone learnt anything from the past 2005 is that you cannot  negotiate with dishonest thugs. that includes of Assad changed his mind.

      but he wouldn’t, he has changed directions from his late father. his father was still under arab umbrella…this Assad now has only iran as a friend…and iran is no friend of arabs.

      so what’s the solution?
      leave the syrian pple to deal with assad themselves…we can take his weakness to our own advantage but we cannot be involved nor can we extend our hands to the tyrant…we, as lebanese need not to rely on anyone, including our own leaders and just stand against pple like Nasrullah, Aoun and other thugs who are willing to take down the country with its pple.

      your suggestion looks tempting but i always believe in “means do not justify the ends’ so while it is tempting but it is not the right thing to do….in my opinion anyway.

    2. Avatar
      Anonymous

      there is no change of course this time , i think the us has given up on assad  they have given him toomany chances in the past 12 years but he keeps loosing his opportuniies to work with the free word ,instead he chosen the radicalway ha and iran, the syrian people are not going back to where they were no matter what assad proposes, the regeme will fall but it will be a long bloody road , but its going to fall i believe ,just a matter of time ; now the us and the free world should plan post assad era ,and should plan   to deal with a democratic governement in syria ;when that take power they will cut off ha completley and eventually ha will dissappear from lebanon
      the best advise to president assad is to he could save innocent lives ,just withdraw to the moutain and declare his own alawite states and leave the rest of syria elect there pesident in a free democratic election monitered by the un 
      there will be 3 states the alawite,the sunnis state , and the kurds state ,and the un approval they will transit to democracy all 3 of them ,this way they save the civilians lives and save syria from destuction;otherwise syria is heading to a complete chaos and a bloody civil war which will evantually result in regeme collapsing.

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        if you google “316909 yalibnan” you will see I said the same thing 3 months ago (syria being divided) but I said the golan will be a druz nation, kurds and syria. maybe its better the way you think it would happen with assad declaring a alawite nation….. that may be the best thing for him since he can take all the money and weapons he wants with him.

    3. Avatar
      Anonymous

      there is no change of course this time , i think the us has given up on assad  they have given him toomany chances in the past 12 years but he keeps loosing his opportuniies to work with the free word ,instead he chosen the radicalway ha and iran, the syrian people are not going back to where they were no matter what assad proposes, the regeme will fall but it will be a long bloody road , but its going to fall i believe ,just a matter of time ; now the us and the free world should plan post assad era ,and should plan   to deal with a democratic governement in syria ;when that take power they will cut off ha completley and eventually ha will dissappear from lebanon
      the best advise to president assad is to he could save innocent lives ,just withdraw to the moutain and declare his own alawite states and leave the rest of syria elect there pesident in a free democratic election monitered by the un 
      there will be 3 states the alawite,the sunnis state , and the kurds state ,and the un approval they will transit to democracy all 3 of them ,this way they save the civilians lives and save syria from destuction;otherwise syria is heading to a complete chaos and a bloody civil war which will evantually result in regeme collapsing.

  3. libnan1 Avatar
    libnan1

    Now this is a picture I like see being duplicated among all Lebanese leaders.

  4. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Now this is a picture I like see being duplicated among all Lebanese leaders.

  5. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Now this is a picture I like see being duplicated among all Lebanese leaders.

  6. libnan1 Avatar
    libnan1

    With like a suit and tie
    We all feel a pleasure high

  7. Avatar
    Anonymous

    With like a suit and tie
    We all feel a pleasure high

  8. libnan1 Avatar
    libnan1

    I like Aoun’s suit and tie better

    1. Beiruti Avatar
      Beiruti

      You seem to like Aouns looks and outfits a lot, i should maybe tell your wife about this lol.

      1. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        Funny you say that, my wife actually think Amin is the most handsome Lebanese politician but what does she know about politics, she voted for Obama …. 

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Now I see what it is … jealously is a hard thing to overcome. 😉

      2. libnan1 Avatar
        libnan1

        Funny you say that, my wife actually think Amin is the most handsome Lebanese politician but what does she know about politics, she voted for Obama …. 

  9. Avatar
    Anonymous

    I like Aoun’s suit and tie better

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      You seem to like Aouns looks and outfits a lot, i should maybe tell your wife about this lol.

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        Funny you say that, my wife actually think Amin is the most handsome Lebanese politician but what does she know about politics, she voted for Obama …. 

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Now I see what it is … jealously is a hard thing to overcome. 😉

  10. desbil Avatar
    desbil

    THE GENERAL (?) ON THE LEFT SIDE OF DR.GEAGEA WILL ATTACH HIMSELF TO ANYONE WHO HAS A DEEPER POCKET AND OF COURSE , …A COZIER BEDDDDDDD !!!!!!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      What?  You don’t like his suit either?  Or you think Lebanon’s army should be like Assad’s …. hmmm …

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      What?  You don’t like his suit either?  Or you think Lebanon’s army should be like Assad’s …. hmmm …

  11. desbil Avatar
    desbil

    THE GENERAL (?) ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF DR.GEAGEA WILL ATTACH HIMSELF TO ANYONE WHO HAS A DEEPER POCKET AND OF COURSE , …A COZIER BEDDDDDDD !!!!!!

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      What?  You don’t like his suit either?  Or you think Lebanon’s army should be like Assad’s …. hmmm …

  12. Joey Avatar
    Joey

    i don;t think we are the lebanese people are this stupid funny why do we need all them old bags there hands are full of blood is not the time to get some new faces young and fresh people or there is no one is qualified enough to replace all them criminals we have 

  13. Joey Avatar
    Joey

    i don;t think we are the lebanese people are this stupid funny why do we need all them old bags there hands are full of blood is not the time to get some new faces young and fresh people or there is no one is qualified enough to replace all them criminals we have 

  14. LebOz Avatar
    LebOz

    Ive recently downloaded a few clips on the lebanese civil war and I must say that im absolutely shocked over the number of politicians in Lebanon that have not been tried for war crimes.

    The Lebanese government issued a pardon at the end of the civil war, which is a disgrace, especially when you consider the atrocities, treason, murder, rape, inhumane acts that were undertaken.

    I came across one clip which showed a phalangist boasting how a comrade raped a palestinian woman and then slit her throat. There was another clip where lebanese fighters were happy to side with the israelis in order to gain an upper hand. There were many other images and interviews depicting oppression, hatred and animosity.

    Shame on Lebanon and its people for allowing these muderers, rapists, thugs, thieves the ability to rule your country. They should all be rotting in a dungeon not wearing suits and living in grand villas.

    I apologise if I have offended anyone,,,,,,

    God bless Lebanon.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      War is Hell. I doubt you have offended anyone … they know. And because it became ‘confessional’, it has never been resolved, or stopped. The old got tired or sick of it, but they condition the children to continue …

      If watching documented & horrible facts makes your stomach turn, this is good … if it makes you want to find an excuse to hurt someone, I feel sorry for you.

    2. Leborigine Avatar
      Leborigine

      LebOz, it is very hard to offend Lebanese as most of them are scumbags like these so called leaders that you just pointed out earlier.
      I would just like to point out and clear a few things that you also mentioned. As a lot of people here only see one side of the fence instead of both.
      As i absolutely and completely condemn these kinds of atrocities committed by the phalangist, as they have done a lot of dirty things, do not forget that the palestinians committed the same acts to the Xtians as well. Do not forget how they entered villages like Damour and Chikka, slaughtered men, women and children who were unarmed, raped nuns in churches while Lebanese left wingers (not necessarily all muslim or druse) were assisting them in their atrocities. Surprised you did not see that from your research on youtube
      You also seem surprised that Lebanese fighters were standing along with israelis cheering. There is nothing wrong with that, it is a war and people have to survive. Why isn’t anyone surprised about the left wingers cheering alongside the plo, syrians and iranians while they were killing their Xtian brothers? Isn’t that the same thing??! Maybe not because they are arabs. 
      As 5thDrawer mentioned before, war is hell and the Lebanese people deserve to be in hell because of their corrupt and  arrogant behaviour. God gave them this blessed country and they absolutely fu#$ed it. You cannot blame one side over another, they all screwed Lebanon sideways and are still doing so as we speak, and if you think that they have learnt anything from the last 30 years, well they haven’t, and I hope one day that they will rot in a dungeon.

      1. LebOz Avatar
        LebOz

        I totally agree that atrocities were committed by both sides.

        My issue is the fact that the nation is today led by those same criminals who ordered / committed these barbaric acts. Surely the last thing on their mind is closure or unity…….. they will continue to cause division in order to ensure they are never punished for their crimes.

        The most upsetting part is the reality that there are many thousands of lebanese who remain missing. Whilst there are many jailed in syria, there is evidence that mass graves are scattered around parts of Beirut.

        There are ex fighters who have admitted to the existence of these graves, however government officials turn a blind eye and ignore there testimonies and refuse to undertake a proper investigation.

        Another ex fighter swore that these locations have been built upon (i,e, cafes, stores, hotels, shops, restaurants, apartments etc).

        I feel sorry for the family of the missing and pray that they remain patient and get closure.

        Only in Lebanon!!!!

        1. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          trust me, Assad have done some serious damage that neither Taif accord, nor 2005 failed revolution nor Doha agreement fixed.

          after Taif accord many politicians were supposed to have repented….and some did, while others lied just like they are lieing now…the problem is trust…syrian regime took advantage of the distrust of the lebanese to each other while having his own agenda with iran aka Hizbollah.

          some have thought things over in exile [Gemael and….i dunno about Aoun though], in prison [geagea], others handed in their weapons and broke up their party [after Taif] so they could start anew while others were happy to keep quite and happily ‘fit in’ with the realities of the country under the excuse of protecting their community…the syrian regime made sure they never lay each and every one of these pple’s hands on organised weapons again….so i can safely say that those who “repented” have been punished to make way for another force with a persian twist…thanks to Hafez Assad and then his son dumb Bashar….

          however we cannot say all politicians atm have made killings as their full time job before 1990. i am not boasting here, i could confidently say that Hariri is probebly one of the few who do not have blood on their hands…but look what has have happened to him ra7imahou Allah…

          so after taif, “good” politicians [if i can use the word good] have forcefuly been weakened while those who still had 7iqd and believed in violance were allowed to prosper and roam freely without a word of opposition.

          but you are correct, regardless of any accords or agreements, criminals should have been punished for attrocities they have done….

          again without justice a society can never have stability and prosperity…it just does not work.

          it is unfortunate that history is repeatign itself. HA should think twice about his actions because no matter how powerful a side is in lebanon and no matter how much arms loaded a side is, in lebanon, it prooved that it will fail if it started acting outside the official lebanese govt system and make its favourite job to eliminate lebanese. 

  15. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Ive recently downloaded a few clips on the lebanese civil war and I must say that im absolutely shocked over the number of politicians in Lebanon that have not been tried for war crimes.

    The Lebanese government issued a pardon at the end of the civil war, which is a disgrace, especially when you consider the atrocities, treason, murder, rape, inhumane acts that were undertaken.

    I came across one clip which showed a phalangist boasting how a comrade raped a palestinian woman and then slit her throat. There was another clip where lebanese fighters were happy to side with the israelis in order to gain an upper hand. There were many other images and interviews depicting oppression, hatred and animosity.

    Shame on Lebanon and its people for allowing these muderers, rapists, thugs, thieves the ability to rule your country. They should all be rotting in a dungeon not wearing suits and living in grand villas.

    I apologise if I have offended anyone,,,,,,

    God bless Lebanon.

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      War is Hell. I doubt you have offended anyone … they know. And because it became ‘confessional’, it has never been resolved, or stopped. The old got tired or sick of it, but they condition the children to continue …

    2. Avatar
      Anonymous

      War is Hell. I doubt you have offended anyone … they know. And because it became ‘confessional’, it has never been resolved, or stopped. The old got tired or sick of it, but they condition the children to continue …

    3. Avatar
      Anonymous

      War is Hell. I doubt you have offended anyone … they know. And because it became ‘confessional’, it has never been resolved, or stopped. The old got tired or sick of it, but they condition the children to continue …

    4. Avatar
      Anonymous

      LebOz, it is very hard to offend Lebanese as most of them are scumbags like these so called leaders that you just pointed out earlier.
      I would just like to point out and clear a few things that you also mentioned. As a lot of people here only see one side of the fence instead of both.
      As i absolutely and completely condemn these kinds of atrocities committed by the phalangist, as they have done a lot of dirty things, do not forget that the palestinians committed the same acts to the Xtians as well. Do not forget how they entered villages like Damour and Chikka, slaughtered men, women and children who were unarmed, raped nuns in churches while Lebanese left wingers (not necessarily all muslim or druse) were assisting them in their atrocities. Surprised you did not see that from your research on youtube
      You also seem surprised that Lebanese fighters were standing along with israelis cheering. There is nothing wrong with that, it is a war and people have to survive. Why isn’t anyone surprised about the left wingers cheering alongside the plo, syrians and iranians while they were killing their Xtian brothers? Isn’t that the same thing??! Maybe not because they are arabs. 
      As 5thDrawer mentioned before, war is hell and the Lebanese people deserve to be in hell because of their corrupt and  arrogant behaviour. God gave them this blessed country and they absolutely fu#$ed it. You cannot blame one side over another, they all screwed Lebanon sideways and are still doing so as we speak, and if you think that they have learnt anything from the last 30 years, well they haven’t, and I hope one day that they will rot in a dungeon.

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        I totally agree that atrocities were committed by both sides.

        My issue is the fact that the nation is today led by those same criminals who ordered / committed these barbaric acts. Surely the last thing on their mind is closure or unity…….. they will continue to cause division in order to ensure they are never punished for their crimes.

        The most upsetting part is the reality that there are many thousands of lebanese who remain missing. Whilst there are many jailed in syria, there is evidence that mass graves are scattered around parts of Beirut.

        There are ex fighters who have admitted to the existence of these graves, however government officials turn a blind eye and ignore there testimonies and refuse to undertake a proper investigation.

        Another ex fighter swore that these locations have been built upon (i,e, cafes, stores, hotels, shops, restaurants, apartments etc).

        I feel sorry for the family of the missing and pray that they remain patient and get closure.

        Only in Lebanon!!!!

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          trust me, Assad have done some serious damage that neither Taif accord, nor 2005 failed revolution nor Doha agreement fixed.

          after Taif accord many politicians were supposed to have repented….and some did, while others lied just like they are lieing now…the problem is trust…syrian regime took advantage of the distrust of the lebanese to each other while having his own agenda with iran aka Hizbollah.

          some have thought things over in exile [Gemael and….i dunno about Aoun though], in prison [geagea], others handed in their weapons and broke up their party [after Taif] so they could start anew while others were happy to keep quite and happily ‘fit in’ with the realities of the country under the excuse of protecting their community…the syrian regime made sure they never lay each and every one of these pple’s hands on organised weapons again….so i can safely say that those who “repented” have been punished to make way for another force with a persian twist…thanks to Hafez Assad and then his son dumb Bashar….

          however we cannot say all politicians atm have made killings as their full time job before 1990. i am not boasting here, i could confidently say that Hariri is probebly one of the few who do not have blood on their hands…but look what has have happened to him ra7imahou Allah…

          so after taif, “good” politicians [if i can use the word good] have forcefuly been weakened while those who still had 7iqd and believed in violance were allowed to prosper and roam freely without a word of opposition.

          but you are correct, regardless of any accords or agreements, criminals should have been punished for attrocities they have done….

          again without justice a society can never have stability and prosperity…it just does not work.

          it is unfortunate that history is repeatign itself. HA should think twice about his actions because no matter how powerful a side is in lebanon and no matter how much arms loaded a side is, in lebanon, it prooved that it will fail if it started acting outside the official lebanese govt system and make its favourite job to eliminate lebanese. 

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