Dear Mr. Ahmadinejad

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By Diana Nemeh, Special to Ya Libnan

Welcome to Lebanon, your timing is impeccable. As if I have not heard the words ‘secretarian strife’ one too many times lately, now your trip is adding fuel to the fire making tensions here so thick we could cut it with a knife. Not only do you have the United States Embassy in Beirut sending out a notice to American citizens about your trip, you had Israel scrambling around to cancel your visit and now we have a never before heard of group calling itself the Abdullah Azzam Brigades warning: “The whole of Lebanon will tremble and its ground will quake if Ahmadinejad steps foot on it.”

Your diplomatic visit, according to some, will strengthen ties with Lebanon but it seems that your goal is to isolate us from each other and the rest of the world especially when you claim the southern Lebanese border as ‘Iran’s border with Israel.’ Perhaps you bought the right to that claim when you ‘gave’ cash to rebuild the south after the 2006 war with Israel and Hizbullah accepted this since they did not trust the bureaucracy of the Lebanese government.

It should come as no surprise that Ahmadinejad would be here during these tense times since he is known within Iran and internationally as a controversial figure and till this day the legitimacy of his 2009 reelection to presidency is still rightly questioned and criticized. He is an outspoken critic of the United States, Israel and the UK and that only serves to deceive the public about the Islamic world and at the same time strengthen his stance of opposition while maintaining his status quo.

His intention here is to use the land of Lebanon as his own playground for war; land that he may feel entitled to since it was the Iranian Revolutionary Guards that created Hizbullah and continues to support them with training, funding and weapons, thus creating a state within a state. His visit to Lebanon will not yield positive results nor strengthen the ties for the country; his visit only shows support to just a part of the country that welcomes his visit, Hizbullah and its backers. Therefore this gesture and his influence here cannot yield positive results for the whole of the country, especially when increasing tensions between the Sunni-Shiite groups are threatening to bring down an already fragile unity government.

Should Lebanon trust Ahmadinejad with a track record that has had a negative effect on the rest of the world and most importantly his own country? Ask the citizens of Iran who are constantly denied their given human rights and have to suffer economically due to imposed sanctions as a result of Iran’s nuclear program. Since Ahmadenijad’s controversial reelection in 2009, Iranians have united their political beliefs and are joining together with the need for freedom as their common ground. Their protests have turned into a Revolution that will not stop until the Islamic Republic falls. Just as he abused the trust of the people of Iran to keep him in power, so will he abuse the trust of the people of Lebanon to push his own agenda. While we wait for these few days to pass, hopefully the important players in Lebanon could put his visit into perspective and realize that the country does not need another figure to meddle in its affairs because Lebanon is already suffering from the ‘too many cooks in the kitchen’ syndrome.

So Mr. Ahmadinejad, I hope you and your entourage of 50 businessmen enjoy your short stay here because despite your efforts to shake things up, when you leave and the tensions relatively simmer down again, Lebanon will always stay Lebanon for its people and I will be celebrating your departure at Sky Bar for their closing weekend.

Diana Nemeh has a love/hate relationship with Lebanon. She loves Lebanon because it is a beautiful country with so much contradiction and an unlimited amount of potential. She hates it because the unlimited amount of potential is never used for its beauty but only to contradict it.

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104 responses to “Dear Mr. Ahmadinejad”

  1. NAGDELLA Avatar

    Dear Diana Nemeh,

    My my, so much emotion from such a small fairy tale. I mean the sensation is so thick you can cut it with a knife. I notice you are another opinionist who also suffers from selective memory syndrome. ‘YaLibnan’ must buy them by the dozen! The fact that you chose to launch a scathing personal vendetta against this man, tells me one of two things; either you are another amateur and skewed commentator or this man is your ex-husband.

    Out of the numerous occasions the American Embassy has sent out notices to their citizens, you felt it essential to highlight this point during the visit of the Iranian President. Wait let me guess. It’s because the Americans are so neutral and civilised, right? Oh and I bet you were trembling as much as I was when this unheard of group threatened Lebanon. I felt the quake a mile away!

    And as I told another one-sided commentator, the farsi language is very poetic and they use a lot of allegory so the ‘Iranian border in Lebanon’ simply means in spirit, the same way fans support a sporting team. You already knew that didn’t you but that wouldn’t be the standard to be impartial on this website.

    You sit there spilling out your heart to the head of the Iranian states’ trip to Lebanon, and you decide to mention the “controversial re-election” and the “denial of human rights to Iranian citizens” which is utter conjecture. Are you just trying to make up paragraphs for your editorial? Stick to the topic because you sound like an American politician.

    As much as you have tried and failed to spin a negative outcome on the Iranian Presidents’ visit to Lebanon, blindly you have overlooked reality. Lebanon inked 17 trade agreements with Iran. So when you want to talk about yielding positive results and strengthening ties, state the facts and not your imagination.

    So Diana Nemeh, when Mr. Ahmadinejad and his entourage of 50 businessmen enjoy their short stay here after shaking things up, I hope your celebration at Sky Bar will somehow console your illusive conquest. Because your celebration and Sky Bar have one thing in common.. They are both closing weekends!

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      Nagdella,
      It is really black and white. Let us talk openly. The ONLY people in Lebanon who enjoyed the Iranian President are the Shiites. That is not to say it is a bad thing. We are in a democratic country (supposedly if it weren’t for one group holding the sword on the necks of what is known as the majority) and it is in the right of people to like who they want. Hell I like Che Guevara. However, here comes the red thin line that divides Lebanon in the middle. Like it or not, as we stand, we are a split nation with two wills. One that is respectful of the Law of the land and tries to dominate via the state institutions and another trying to dominate via its armed militia. Either of which are in the wrong because no one sect can rule by itself and that is one lesson too many idiot megalomaniac politicians have yet to learn from our history, old or modern. The gains achieved are really short living. Ahmadinejad can be good for you but he certainly is neutral for me or may even have negative outcome from where I stand. Do I have to like him? Certainly NOT! I am after all in a democratic society (minus the arms of Hezbollah) and supposedly can speak my mind. Tripoli and the North apparently raised his pictures with an X mark telling him, he is not welcome over here. Are they not Lebanese? Now let me tell you where we are heading Nagdella. Straight to HELL!!! Why? Because no sons or daughters of Lebanon will submit to tyranny and that is what will happen soon. I hope I am wrong for Lebanon’s sake.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar

        Yes Hannibal, I agree with you that we are a divided nation. We have been divided since the day Lebanon, as we know it, was created.
        The division started with the sectarian system imposed by the French colonist. The division continued to deepen because of the way the elites ruled the country. Most Lebanese knew nothing about their state except, the name of the internationally and regionally, imposed presidents. This is what you consider democracy.
        Our society is divided on the question of who is a foe , and who is a friend. The day we can solve this question, then and only, then we can seriously find solutions to our problems.
        Some of our fellow Lebanese consider Israel a neighbor, while others have been killed and occupied by that same neighbor. Some considered it a friend at one point of our history, and ended up supporting it when it invaded our capital, and occupied our land. Some of them are proud, still,of that history , and have enough guts to ask us for a medal for their shameful history. Tell that to those who were under occupation for 22 years, and then ask why we are a divided nation.
        No one says you have to like Ahmadi Najad. No one says you need to agree with his policies .But you should be able to recognize that Iran is not an enemy to any Lebanese.
        The so called democracy was, and still is, an empty word. We have a sectarian system and democracy at the same time. Let’s not kid ourselves with fancy talks about democracy, as we practice it in Lebanon. You would not want a true democracy in Lebanon, would you? I challenge you to support abolishing our sectarian system, and adopt a true democracy where every one’s vote counts. I challenge you to support a presidential system where our president (Maronite still) is elected by the people directly.

        1. How Ironic you always seem to forget that Syria occupied Lebanon for 30 yrs and it didn’t do anything to protect it from israel and even divided Lebanon and pitted lebanese against another. One cannot call Syria either a friend who destroyed our country and our economy and thrived on taking profits from every institutions in the gov’t and drug trades. You call us traitors because we seek help from israel in order to protect ourselves and our identity. Yes you’re going to tell me that we massacred people and your side did it too. Nobody gave the permission to PLO to attack lebanese gov’t, soldiers and whoever stood in its way then. Stop labeling traitors while you befriended Syria for over 30 yrs while it was killing Lebanon slowly. even after 30 yrs hezbollah and its allies wanted to stay in Lebanon and you can’t deny that. Many shiites were made because it left lebanon. Since you were so strong why did you need Syria after you kicked israel out of Lebanon? was Syria helping one side over another? is this what you call a friendly state? Just because Iran is helping you and coming here to check on his troops and his own followers and boost their morale. You can tell him we don’t need his help and he can shove it where the sun don’t shine. You’re pushing to like Israel and by denying the killing of some many Lebanese leaders and encouraging civil strife and bloodshed, then again you’re driving south of the border. Who else can we can count on to protect us from you.. Its very simple in Lebanon its the survival game and just because israel your enemy so it happened also Syria is our enemy. Until you recognize that and recognize that Iran wants its own benefits and it doesn’t give a damn about Lebanon, then we will not have anything to do with you. Until your organization submit those criminals who were directly or indirectly involved in many assasinations that Lebanon will be even further divided. You keep talking about double standard and you’re one of the main advocate of Double Standard. Lebanon is not a front for Iran and you need to S.O.B we’re not his soldiers or tools to use us when you get paid from him. We’re not going to let you destroy lebanon because you love a hated man in his own backyard.

        2. Leborigine Avatar
          Leborigine

          Haha Prophet, you really make me laugh sometimes and put a smile on my face.

          ‘Some of our fellow Lebanese consider Israel a neighbor, while others have been killed and occupied by that same neighbor. Some considered it a friend at one point of our history, and ended up supporting it when it invaded our capital, and occupied our land. Some of them are proud, still,of that history , and have enough guts to ask us for a medal for their shameful history.’ These are your own words and you always refer to this point in every post.
          I want to give you the same paragraph with syria in it instead of israel, and that is how I feel.

          You see, that is the difference between you and I, I always refer to two enemies of Lebanon, while you only refer to one. You always refer to people who sided with israel as traitors, I refer to people who sided with syria as traitors as well as to israel. You are no better than anyone from the LF if you support or supported the syrian occupation. I lived under their occupation, as well as pales, and believe me, the shiites had it sweet in the south with israeli occupation than what we did under the syrian/pales.

          I sympathise with my land, but I really despise my people who cannot process their brains logically.

          Pity the nation that is full of beliefs and empty of religion.
          Pity the nation divided into fragments, each fragment deeming itself a nation.

        3. PROPHET.T Avatar

          LEBORIGINE,Here are few facts, you need to know;I don’t consider Syria as an enemy.I have never, ever supported Syria’s military presence in Lebanon.I have had issues with Syria as well. I’ve written about it here at this site, many times.
          Who invited the Syrians into Lebanon? It was the phalange and the Ahrar’s. It was Pierre Gemayle and Chamoun who invited Syria in. They were loosing their war against the PLO and Kamal Jumblat. Syria came in to save your ass, not mine.
          The same leadership that invited Syria in, eventually, invited the Israelis in, helped them kill their fellow Lebanese, and then occupy our country. You have some nerves questioning other people’s patriotism ,when you defend those who sought Israel’s help against your fellow Lebanese.
          When a group of people ally themselves with the enemy, they are putting the interest of the enemy and their own selfish interest ahead of the interest of their people. They are no thing but traitors.
          I know you will say; you needed to defend yourself against the PLO. I wonder who was in power when Lebanese government approved the Cairo agreement, which allowed the PLO to operate from Lebanon? Was it HA or Amal or SSNP, or Iran’s Najad? It was president Hulou, with the approval of Pierre Gemayle himself.Was I, as a southerner given a choice? Was I Asked? The answer is No, to both questions. But some find it convenient to blame the southerners, when our government abandoned them before, and after the PLO presence. We get blamed for defending Lebanon aganist Israeli aggression.
          Gone are the days where traitors decide our fate. It is no longer acceptable for traitors to decide who is a true Lebanese and who isn’t. Gone are the days, where people of the south, trust this rotten system to defend them.
          I’d rather be called Un-Lebanese, than a dead Lebanese or defeated Lebanese.
          One, thing we both have in common, is that we’re both big fans of Gibran.
          If Gibran was alive, I could see him adding the following line:
          Pity the nation that is full of hypocrites, who preach what they don’t practice.
          Pity the nation that considers Treason a point of view,
          Pity the nation which is full of haters, who preach love and peace.
          Pity the nation that worships its leaders
          Pity the nation that is full of people, whose; Heroes are criminals.

        4. Leborigine Avatar
          Leborigine

          Prophet,

          Here we go again, tit for tat. That is why I do not like going into these debates!!
          If Houlu or Gemayel did not let the PLO in, then they would have been disgraced for being anti arab and anti pales.
          We gave them an opportunity and they f*$#ed us, what can I say.
          Chamoun represented all the Lebanese, not just myself. He was a Lebanese president. Not for one sect only. But if that is how you feel, then that is another issue.
          You do not consider syria as an enemy, that is fine, but there are a lot of Lebanese who do not consider israel as an enemy either and that does not mean that they are traitors. That is the point that I am trying to get across.

          Do you really think that the LF alone used the israelis to kill their fellow Lebanese, again you make me wonder??
          Didn’t hizbollah and amal drive into the Xtian enclave with syrians and pales after that dog general tucked his tail and ran to the French embassy and killed over a 1000 army personel and LF members, despite their surrender, they were still executed by syrian and HA, but yet you do not consider syria as an enemy.
          I do not follow any leaders but am a great admirer of Moussa El sadr, Bashir Gemayel and Fakhr Eldinne.
          Prophet, I can keep going and going but I do not have time for this crap and there is no point anyway.
          You keep referring to your leader, his leader, her leader and so on, you never mention us or ours, you are always segragating your fellow Lebanese.
          I have never blamed the southerners for anything and never questioned your patriotism, so I do not know where that came from. If anything I am proud of the south more than anyone I know.
          Thanks for calling me a traitor, but if loving my country is treason, then so be it.

        5. Hannibal Avatar

          You are so very wrong prophet. If I could tell you the sacrifices my family did for the sake of this country you would wrap up in shame. My family, ALL my family was jailed because they believed in a non-sectarian Lebanon. I was 3 years old and I was left ALONE as the government jailed every one of my family members. Even my mother was jailed and the neighbors had to take me in, and you were not even a sperm. BTW, we are Maronite. As far as the foes question, let me put it this way ONCE AND FOR ALL: Israel AND Syria AND IRAN are my foes. That is my opinion AS A LEBANESE. Anyone who supports or pushes the agenda or interest of ANY of those I consider an enemy as well.
          As far as the sectarian system, it is setup by “an agreement” to protect minorities. It is and was NEVER LAW. Anyone really can challenge the status quo and run for president. However, consider this: As it is we the Christians are leaving the Levant in masses that would put the word Exodus to shame. Refer to the article “Muslim scholar: Christian exodus hurts the Middle East.” I for one will NEVER go back, not even for a visit. We have built a free Lebanese community here in the U.S. where all sects interact with the freedom we deserve. We transplanted our culture here and we are WELCOMED. We have our restaurants and churches and mosques and supermarkets (yes full Lebanese Supermarket) and even Lebanese American Politicians. Lebanon, is a culture… Unlike what some people think that it is ONLY land. The land is becoming arid and polluted because who is left behind does not care. The day Lebanon, Palestine and the Levant is devoid of Christians and other minorities is the day Israel wins. It looks that they have already won. If we do separate the religion from the state today, you know and I know, not even a Sunni would stand a chance. Only a Shiite will become a president. Lebanon is the ONLY country in the Middle East that has a Christian president. Is that too much to ask? Yes some abused the powers BUT what the oligarchs did to you and to your people they did worse to me and to my people. Go to the North and see the poverty. Women in their eighties are bent over in bread factories riddled with arthritis and they are still working in sub-human condition. Who would come to their rescue? Iran? Syria? Israel? the Vatican? NO nobody! We do not even have a dentist in our town. We have to carry elderlies all the way to Tripoli to find a doctor. The ride is more than bumpy because the Israelis bombarded all our roads and until now NOBODY came to fix the roads and this is almost five years after the 2006 war. You have Iran’s money, we have no money. We are leaving in an alarming rate from villages and customs that predated Islam and predated Christianity. My town ancestors worshipped ANAT before all those idiots came out of the damn peninsula. We are the legitimate owner of the land and all the others (look at it any which way you want) came here “ghuuzaat”. You challenge me? Go challenge your people to stop driving a nation UNWILLINGLY to the abyss. Failed State! Whore Nation! should be on every car plate in Lebanon. I rest my case.

        6. PROPHET.T Avatar

          Leborigine,
          I don’t want to turn this discussion into tit for tat either. But I want to make few things clear.
          I didn’t accuse you personally of being a traitor, But I did accuse you of defending those who sought Israel’s help against their own people, because you did.
          To answer your question, yes the LF did help fight with Israel against Lebanese people. It was the LF initially established the security zone in the south. I was there, and saw what they did. I can even tell you the names of the officers where were in charge. If helping Israel kill and jail your fellow Lebanese in the south isn’t treason, I don’t know what that is. If hosting Sharon in junnieh isn’t treason, I don’t know what that is.

          The LF,and Bashir Gemayle invited, and helped Israel in 82 ,so he could become president. There are facts, not fiction. You should look at the official CIA web site, and read what they say about Bashir. I know you adore him and I won’t hurt your feelings.
          You say you don’t consider Israel an enemy. According to all Lebanese laws and governments, Israel has been, and still is enemy, while Syria is not. You can’t be selective when it comes to wanting a strong and stable government at the time you oppose your own government’s laws.
          It is obvious that we have two different views of Lebanon. I many not be able to convince you of any thing.
          If you read my previous posts here, You would realize how critical I have been of the Syrian, and all Lebanese factions , who were involved in the civil war. My criticism included Berii, Jumblat, and every other criminal who killed Lebanese people during the civil war, I have even called for trying them for crimes against humanity.
          Finally, I’ll say this to you; all Lebanese are in denial about their history and actions. Until Lebanese are gutsy enough to examine their history, and admit mistakes they did, we have no chance to rebuild this country with some minimum consensus. The day we stop worshipping leaders, all leaders, we can call ourselves civilized people. We are the worst type of tribes. Most of our leaders are a reproduction of the same families that never accounted for their actions and policies.

        7. Leborigine Avatar
          Leborigine

          Prophet, at least I agree with your last paragraph.
          You are still not seeing my point though through this whole discussion.
          “If helping Israel kill and jail your fellow Lebanese in the south isn’t treason, I don’t know what what is.”
          HA helped the syrians in 1990 kill your fellow Lebanese in East Beirut, what do you call that…friendly fire!!
          The druze and the muslims assisted the pales in the slaughter of your fellow Lebanese in Damour…that was probably brotherly love. I lost lots of cousins in both situations and yet I have Lebanese brothers that do not consider syria as an enemy. I know that you have said that you were critical of their presence in Lebanon, but a lot of idiots supported their presence, even built statues and hanged posters.
          With all due respect, I do not give a rats a$$ about our government laws. I respect the laws as much as HA does. That is probably the only law that HA and the government share and agree on. The law in Egypt and Jordan are completely opposite and yet the people consider israel an enemy, that is no excuse.
          You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect anyone who does, but in my opinion, I think that we can agree and move on once we start understanding each other. All our bordering neighbours are either enemies or allies, as they all have had a piece of us.
          There is no bigger fish to fry than the other. They are both pirahnas.

        8. PROPHET.T Avatar

          Leborigine,
          I agree that we understand each other better now. We will have our disagreements still, and hopefully we can narrow them down.
          I won’t go back to the civil war period .I think all parties were guilty of killing each other ,and their own at times. This is one of the reasons I hate all the leaders who championed the civil war. This is why I never associate myself with any party in Lebanon. My views may coincide with some parties’ views here and there, but that does not mean I blindly support any party.
          As for Syria, I only give them credit for two things; Helping Lebanese get rid of the Shameful agreement of May 17,and supporting the resistance in liberating the occupied south. Other than that, Most of their actions were negative, and divisive.
          Not to defend everything HA ever did. But I don’t get where “HA helped the Syrians in 1990 kill your fellow Lebanese in East Beirut, what you call that…friendly fire!!”
          If you are referring to the Syrian attack on Michel Aoun, You properly meant the LF, and Elie Hubeika helping the Syrians take over Aoun’s area of control, and killing hundreds of Lebanese officers loyal to Michel Aoun. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
          One thing I hope you agree with, is that Lebanese in general, never take responsibility for any thing, they always blame others for their problems. They invite outside interference, and then complain about it. I wish they would admit their own mistakes, and learn from them.

      2. NAGDELLA Avatar

        Hannibal,

        If you want to talk about black and white, make sure you mention the black and white and not just the black. Seems you also suffer from selective memory syndrome. I have found this disease to be universal on this website.
        “The ONLY people in Lebanon who enjoyed the Iranian President are the Shiites.”

        Yes Hannibal because the ONLY people left to bear the frequent killings, kidnappings and assaults from Israel were the abandoned southerners. And the ONLY help and support to come to these people was from Iran and it didn’t come with pre-conditions like some so called ‘allies’.

        “We are in a democratic country (supposedly if it weren’t for one group holding the sword on the necks of what is known as the majority) and it is in the right of people to like who they want.”

        What a democracy indeed whereby only a sunni can be prime minister, a maronite can be president, and a shia can be speaker. Very democratic!

        “Ahmadinejad can be good for you but he certainly is neutral for me or may even have negative outcome from where I stand. Do I have to like him? Certainly NOT!”

        Who is telling you to like him? Just butt out if other people want to like him. The same way you like Che Guevara.

        “Because no sons or daughters of Lebanon will submit to tyranny and that is what will happen soon. I hope I am wrong for Lebanon’s sake.”

        I couldn’t have put it better myself but this is where I get confused. Is a shia only considered Lebanese when he is impoverished and oppressed because what is becoming evident is that as soon as he refuses tyranny, he gets labeled an Iranian!

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          MY MY Nagdella,
          Listen to the Iranian people posting on this site. NOT even ONE likes Ahmadinejad. You do have a selective memory syndrome indeed. What would you call Syria that for 30 years they bombarded us and killed us and jailed us and stole from us? A friend? You suffered and we suffered. If we would support you in the South would you support us if we were to attack Syria to get back our jailed sons and daughters and demarcate the land? I guess not. You are a hypocrite at best. I can’t believe I am saying that but I think Sami Gemayel’s suggestion to federalize the system is best. We will never see eye to eye. So a divorce is warranted. “7ello 3an tiiezna wu men 7ell 3an tiiezkun”. Unless of course you want to create another “nakba” and invade Lebanon a la zionist and kick the rightful people of the land out. Failed State! Whore Nation!

        2. PROPHET.T Avatar

          Hannibal,
          Ref; Your reply to NAGDELLA 6 hours ago
          Having Iranians posting here and not supporting Najad prove few things; democracy in Iran( though not perfect) is way better than our democracy. They have elected 6 different presidents in 32 years. Unfortunately , we can’t say that about any other Arab country , except for the fake democracy we practice in Lebanon.
          People reading this site, and most comments posted at this site, would get the impression that all Lebanese are March 14 supporters. You know this is not true either. Your argument of Iranians posting at this site is not valid, because you can easily find other sites where other Iranians views are posted.
          Not all Iranians agree or like Najad. Not all Iranians oppose Najad either. He won the election, though it was disputed by opposition groups. This is not the first time elections are disputed around the world. Our own American president Bush, stole an election ,and prevailed , despite the fact that the other party disputed the election. One thing you know for sure is that Najad can not run for another term. I’m not fond of the way they put down the protesters, I think they were wrong.
          I find it funny that you agree with Sami Gemayel’s federation solution.
          The phalange party tried to rule all of Lebanon and failed. They turned first to the Syrians, and then to the Israelis to accomplish this dream. Both attempts failed, now they suggest federation. They seem to always look for a solution that suits them, regardless of what the rest of the country wants. It’s really a selfish way of thinking, to suggest that federation is the best solution for Lebanon. When in reality they are looking for a solution that suits them only.
          If federation is the solution, would they have agreed to it in the 60’s?I bet not, they would have accused everyone advocating federation, of wanting to divide the country. Only when their plans failed, they suggested it. When Bashir was elected president he didn’t suggest federation ,because he thought he could rule all of Lebanon with the help of Israel and The united states. Back then federation didn’t suit him, since He was on top of his game.
          They are in no position to impose such a solution on Lebanon. They had the whole cake, and they were not willing to share it. Once they lost it, they want us to divide it, so they can have their share. Too late. The only solution is to abolish the rotten sectarian system, and implement a true democracy where every vote counts. True representation is the best way to run Lebanon.

        3. Hannibal Avatar

          Prophet ya prophet. The Phalange party does not represent me. I am saying since we do not see eye to eye what would be the best solution? Do we keep this fake marriage? I am telling you if you let the Christians vote (or what’s remaining of them) they would say we want out. The majority of the Christians in this atmosphere where Iran wield its sway via Hezbollah and the sword will vote for federation. We are not saying that we want to split the country. All what we are saying is just federate it like the US or Switzerland. We will be free of each others rules and regulations. I will have my Sunday and you will have your Friday. What’s wrong with that? chou bell uuwwe el chaghlee? What if I no longer want to be in Persian Lebanon? What if I do not want to be greeted at the airport with Khamenai’s pictures? Do you see me posting the Pope in your face? I want my Lebanon and you want yours. There will never be a middle. Stop hiding behind your finger and see it as it is. The alternative is to become like the Zionist and kick the Christians out. The second nakba awaits us. Only this time it will be at the hands of HA since they are the only ones with weapons. The sad part is that you will have then to wrap your wife from top to bottom when you visit Lebanon like Iran or Saudi Arabia and you then will live in the U.S. forever since she won’t accept it as she is addicted to the freedom that this country gives you and her.

        4. PROPHET.T Avatar

          Hannibal,
          Again You are looking for solutions that suits you my friend. Did I have a choice when some Christians wanted, and almost got a Lebanon allied with ISRAEL? NO, I didn’t.
          No one is imposing any thing, on you or on the Christians in Lebanon. But the Christians have to realize that the demographics have shifted, and most Christians decided to leave for the money or a better life.
          No one is threatening the Christians in Lebanon. It’s the policies that Christian leaders adopted that brought hell on Christians in Lebanon. Unfortunately, the same mentality still exists among many Christian leaders. They have not learned from their mistakes, and don’t seem to want to reexamine their actions. When you have leaders who insist on being proud of working with Israel, It tells me that they have not learned from their past.
          Again, you choose what suits you.
          The best solution is to implement a democratic system where everyone shares same responsibilities and duties.

    2. GreaterPersia Avatar
      GreaterPersia

      My my Nagdella, the words of another brainwash victim. The way you defend Ahmadinejad as if he was your husband and the regime your children. Just like Diana said ask the citizens of Iran if this man should be trusted, ask me. I promise he would not receive the same welcome at home as he did with the Lebanese. This man invested millions in Lebanon but it was not for the welfare or education of the residents but only to push Nasrallahs power in Lebanon. Looks like his trip did boost his image and influence, at least for you. Was that you in the street throwing rose petals and sweets at his motorcade? Keep him there with you and quite possibly he will turn Beirut into Tehran.

      1. NAGDELLA Avatar

        GreaterPersia, I don’t need to ask you or Diana. The Iranian citizens were asked and they answered. They overthrew the pawn of the US in 1979. That’s all the proof I need. The US and their modernized puppets tried to initiate another uprising after the Presidential elections and they failed miserably. Actions speak louder than words!

        “This man invested millions in Lebanon but it was not for the welfare or education of the residents but only to push Nasrallahs power in Lebanon.”

        GreaterPersia, I don’t know what Lebanon you’ve been monitoring, but I advise you to take a stroll through Lebanon one day instead of taking erroneous facts from fox news. Hezbollahs’ funding of welfare AND education is blatantly obvious so refrain from regurgitating indecent propaganda.

        And tell me something. Who was Iran supposed to give the millions to? The Lebanese government? Go and find out what happened to the aid that was donated to the crooked government after the July War whereby till this day, people are still waiting for their compensation and most of the money is still unaccounted for. Pathetic!

        If this is the Beirut you long for then by all means you are welcome to bow to these parasites!

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          Well really Nagdella I don’t need his money if I do not go stirring trouble with the Israelis and kidnap their soldiers and hijack all of the nation into a war and a path unwillingly now do I?
          From an Iranian perspective, when my economy is screwed, why would I send money to Lebanon unless I expect some kind of return on my investment. The Iranians I spoke to (and they are very nice people the Iranians) do not want the money to go to anyone. So that regime is pushing its religious hegemony agenda in the region at the expense of the Iranian commoner and boy what a payback they received. I have never seen such rallies not even for any Lebanese achievers (and philanthropists) and they are many, heck I never saw anything like it in the world not even for queen Elizabeth in England proper. lol
          I do agree with you on one thing though our government is made up of thieves and Hezbollah, takes care of its own. However, from where I stand I still see it as a sectarian party and should be dismantled like any sectarian party which does not include all other sects within their ranks. However, that goes against the make up of the Iranian regime and the money will stop flowing.

        2. Hannibal Avatar

          Well really Nagdella I don’t need his money if I do not go stirring trouble with the Israelis and kidnap their soldiers and hijack all of the nation into a war and a path unwillingly now do I?
          From an Iranian perspective, when my economy is screwed, why would I send money to Lebanon unless I expect some kind of return on my investment. The Iranians I spoke to (and they are very nice people the Iranians) do not want the money to go to anyone. So that regime is pushing its religious hegemony agenda in the region at the expense of the Iranian commoner and boy what a payback they received. I have never seen such rallies not even for any Lebanese achievers (and philanthropists) and they are many, heck I never saw anything like it in the world not even for queen Elizabeth in England proper. lol
          I do agree with you on one thing though our government is made up of thieves and Hezbollah, takes care of its own. However, from where I stand I still see it as a sectarian party and should be dismantled like any sectarian party which does not include all other sects within their ranks. However, that goes against the make up of the Iranian regime and the money will stop flowing.

        3. NAGDELLA Avatar

          Hannibal:

          “Well really Nagdella I don’t need his money if I do not go stirring trouble with the Israelis and kidnap their soldiers and hijack all of the nation into a war and a path unwillingly now do I?”

          Ofcourse you don’t need their money. It’s not your home or land that was usurped because it’s not you that is the real threat against the Israelis. It is the people who are resisting Israeli threats and occupation. Whether that’s you or not I’ll let you decide. And tell me something, was it the Palestinians that went around stirring trouble with the Israelis during the creation of the Balfour Declaration? When Hezbollah was non-existent, what the Israelis were doing wasn’t stirring was it? Thankyou very much Hannibal. Thankyou for exposing your true nature and stance towards Israel. It tells me a lot about a person.

          “From an Iranian perspective, when my economy is screwed, why would I send money to Lebanon unless I expect some kind of return on my investment.”

          And therein lays the difference between a noble person and one like yourself. Some people help others out of goodwill and don’t expect anything in return while others like yourself worship the dollar.

          “I have never seen such rallies not even for any Lebanese achievers (and philanthropists) and they are many, heck I never saw anything like it in the world not even for queen Elizabeth in England proper. lol”

          Queen Elizabeth? Haha.. You mean the woman who lives in a palace with servants and guards and drivers etc etc etc Yeah I can see why the average Londoner would want to rally behind her. The perfect role model. So remote from the rest of society. Why don’t you try looking for a leader who no matter what position he or she holds, does not consider themselves superior to others.

          When was the last time Queen Elizabeth condemned the Israelis for the prison they have created called Gaza? Yeah I can’t remember either!

        4. Hannibal Avatar

          I will be at the frontline fighting if the Israelis attack Lebanon because I consider Lebanon, ALL of lebanon my land, and home and country unlike you people with your jamhouriyet le jnoub. So stop the division bull because you can use that line on a kid like you not on me. At least you have a home… Have you ever strolled North and watched the poverty? we have kids with no shoes including Palestinian kids running without shoes in the streets. Instead of attacking me personally without knowing me why don’t you stop looking for a lame excuse to carry a weapon and take that money offered to you to use for terror and feed and dress the Palestinians IN your BACKYARD in Lebanon. All of a sudden you worry about Palestine? you forgot that your people fought them and massacred them in the South? It is so very convenient to sell their plight and use it like all the Arab morons like yourself and keep them locked up in your backyard in more than a concentration camp and criticize the Israelis for what they are doing in Gaza. At least the Israelis do not pretend that they love them like you people do. It is in the open for them and they do not have a hidden agenda, we all know that the Israelis are to no good and they do not hide it. So stop your propaganda here and face the truth about your Persian hegemony agenda. I will watch you guys when you get at each others soon, Sunni and Shia for a stupid hatred you have for each others over a stupid history and quarrel that happened thousands of years ago. Fight Kill Fight Kill all what you know. Look at your flag with a rifle or a sword on it. If that is your lot and choice it is not mine. I really wonder if the Palestinians sign a treaty with the Israelis and we get peace who will you turn your weapons against? Will you free the prisoners in Syria? will you fight Syria for usurping the Lebanese land? BTW MOST of the borders with Syria that has been occupied by the Syrians is Shia property. When do you think you would go and claim it back?
          Now as I said before since you refuse to see it our way and fall in within the realm of a nation let it be two nations and the sooner the better: One with a Lebanese Flag and another with a Persian Flag. I refuse to welcome people in MY COUNTRY at the airport with your Khamena’i ma ba3ref chou instead of YOUR LEBANESE PRESIDENT. You are more proud of your Iranian revolutionary than the martyrs who fell for ANY reason for the sake of the country. Is it too much to ask to Lebanize Lebanon? Or every 10 years we have a biatch group bringing in foreign flags into our arena? Always a country within a country. Nobody wants to belong to this nation so let us split it wu moekhlas ba’a. First the Turks and before them the Mamluks of Egypt then the French then the Palestinians waltzing in Lebanon and thinking it is theirs, then the Syrians, then the Israelis, then the stupid LFs who thought they can rule Lebanon by themselves, then Syria again, then now HA with a Persian flavor, who NEXT? For God’s sake why don’t you guys get the hell out and leave the people be?

          1. PROPHET.T Avatar

            Hannibal,

            I’ll use the same quote “clean your finger before you point at my spots”.
            You are so wrong about “Jamhouriat aljnub”, my friend. This only exists in your mind, and in the minds of people who know so little about the south. Not underestimating your academic and historical knowledge, but you really got this one wrong.
            I’m more proud of being a Lebanese, than any other identity, our sectarian/sick system forces me to identify with. I paid lots of blood, and many sleepless nights at a dark basements, to have you or any one else question my loyalty to Lebanon. You can punch under the belt as much as you can, that won’t change a thing. You portray yourself as a moderate, secular idealistic Lebanese, but it does not take long for you to unleash your biased opinions.
            I did question your judgment, but not your loyalty. It was you, who have exposed your loyalty to questions, not me. It was you who questioned my loyalty.
            Before I answer your question of “who will you turn your weapons against?” I would remind you that the Shiia were the last to carry weapons in Lebanon. It was the Christian parties who started arming in the sixties and seventies. It was not the Shiia who started killing civilians because of their faith. The shiaa were the punching bag for everyone in Lebanon (Lebanese and Palestinians). Wasn’t it the LF who established the security zone, before the 78 invasion? Where was HA or Amal?
            They were the sanitation workers of Beirut, and the lucky ones worked at the port, lifting boxes. When the majority of shiia were still illiterates, the rest of Lebanese were deciding which PHD Program they should peruse. Then and only then, the Shiaa were considerate good loyal Lebanese. Isn’t that right?
            None of what the Shiia have accomplished now would have been giving to them on a sliver plate by our sectarian regime, or the elites who were ruling Lebanon. So stop throwing cheap shots that don’t add any thing to this discussion.
            You choose to stay abroad, vowing not to ever return, yet you question the loyalty of those who took the burden and fought to liberate Lebanon. You live in the US, yet you question the patriotism, and the nationalism of those who dies for Lebanon. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THAT.
            You dislike seeing the Khoumani picture at the airport as much as I dislike it myself. But To some, Khoumai is a pope like figure (not to me though). I never liked to see begin’s picture in Bint Jbeil or Ain Ebel or Marjeiun either. I bet you would not have either. Not Justifying the khoumani picture, but at least Iran is not an enemy, but Israel is.
            I value your family’ sacrifice as much as my family’s scarifies. (15 people, first victim on black Saturday1975,not mentioning the ones killed before 1975).All Lebanese paid heavy price, not only you and me.
            Poverty exists in south Lebanon, as it exists in other areas of Lebanon. Thanks to our governments, which have always neglected its people, neglected to defend them, and subsidized all of its responsibilities to other countries or parties.Yes Akaar, El Hermel, The south (still), and many other areas of Lebanon suffer from negligence and poverty.
            To assume that Iran is feeding, and building homes for the, southerners is also wrong.
            I won’t deny that the south has seen a flourishing economy. This didn’t happen because of Iran’s money. It all started in the nineties by money that were coming in, from Lebanese living abroad, especially Africa and the United States. After the 2000 liberation, more money poured in from abroad, to the areas that had just been liberated. No doubt that Iran’s money made a difference for the community as whole. But the people of south take most of the credit for building their cities and villages on their own (I wish I could have given the credit to our government instead).
            Iran didn’t build a single home in south Lebanon, all of their money went to roads, bridges, hospitals, and other community projects, none went o building home at all. Thank to our governments… Why does it have to be this way? Why do people have to relay on Iran? You tell me.
            After the 2006 war, money poured in from Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, and other countries for reconstruction of homes and institutions destroyed. (BTW;I don’t own a home there)
            If people had to relay on the Seniora Government, no thing would have been build. No wonder Qatar. Iran, Kuwait, and UAE, managed their own money directly. So much trust in our government institutions.
            As for your sudden concern for Palestinians, No doubt all Lebanese are as guilty of mistreating Palestinians. (I don’t own a home there either)
            But my question to you is this; Should I blame all maronites collectively for what the phalange and the LF did to the Palestinians ( Tal Azaata, karantina)and to other Lebanese ?If your answer is yes, then I would blame all the shiaa for the war Amal (directed by the Syrians) against Palestinian camps. You know it is not fair to blame all maronites, and shiia for ALL of wars and crimes committed by the phalange, LF and Amal.
            The southerners suffered as much as any other area because of the PLO abuse, BUT THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN AN EXCUSE TO wage wars on Palestinian camp, or against individual Palestinians. Amal’s war against Palestinian camps created a big rift among shiia community, which resulted in an Amal /HA War.
            I hope you would join the efforts to liberate those villages, you claim, occupied by Syria. But THE FACT THAT THEY ARE SHIAA (as you say), I might be reluctant to liberate them, because we have enough Shiia already. Let’s look for Christian towns we can liberate from Syria. I’ll give up my rights in the seven Shiia villages, Israel occupied and annexed in 1948, for seven Christian villages from Syria.
            Note: You may want to taste the Persian flavor, my friend. They are hot. You will find them in LA and in Manhattan. (NO BURKA EITHER) LOL.

          2. PROPHET.T Avatar

            Hannibal,

            I’ll use the same quote “clean your finger before you point at my spots”.
            You are so wrong about “Jamhouriat aljnub”, my friend. This only exists in your mind, and in the minds of people who know so little about the south. Not underestimating your academic and historical knowledge, but you really got this one wrong.
            I’m more proud of being a Lebanese, than any other identity, our sectarian/sick system forces me to identify with. I paid lots of blood, and many sleepless nights at a dark basements, to have you or any one else question my loyalty to Lebanon. You can punch under the belt as much as you can, that won’t change a thing. You portray yourself as a moderate, secular idealistic Lebanese, but it does not take long for you to unleash your biased opinions.
            I did question your judgment, but not your loyalty. It was you, who have exposed your loyalty to questions, not me. It was you who questioned my loyalty.
            Before I answer your question of “who will you turn your weapons against?” I would remind you that the Shiia were the last to carry weapons in Lebanon. It was the Christian parties who started arming in the sixties and seventies. It was not the Shiia who started killing civilians because of their faith. The shiaa were the punching bag for everyone in Lebanon (Lebanese and Palestinians). Wasn’t it the LF who established the security zone, before the 78 invasion? Where was HA or Amal?
            They were the sanitation workers of Beirut, and the lucky ones worked at the port, lifting boxes. When the majority of shiia were still illiterates, the rest of Lebanese were deciding which PHD Program they should peruse. Then and only then, the Shiaa were considerate good loyal Lebanese. Isn’t that right?
            None of what the Shiia have accomplished now would have been giving to them on a sliver plate by our sectarian regime, or the elites who were ruling Lebanon. So stop throwing cheap shots that don’t add any thing to this discussion.
            You choose to stay abroad, vowing not to ever return, yet you question the loyalty of those who took the burden and fought to liberate Lebanon. You live in the US, yet you question the patriotism, and the nationalism of those who dies for Lebanon. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THAT.
            You dislike seeing the Khoumani picture at the airport as much as I dislike it myself. But To some, Khoumai is a pope like figure (not to me though). I never liked to see begin’s picture in Bint Jbeil or Ain Ebel or Marjeiun either. I bet you would not have either. Not Justifying the khoumani picture, but at least Iran is not an enemy, but Israel is.
            I value your family’ sacrifice as much as my family’s scarifies. (15 people, first victim on black Saturday1975,not mentioning the ones killed before 1975).All Lebanese paid heavy price, not only you and me.
            Poverty exists in south Lebanon, as it exists in other areas of Lebanon. Thanks to our governments, which have always neglected its people, neglected to defend them, and subsidized all of its responsibilities to other countries or parties.Yes Akaar, El Hermel, The south (still), and many other areas of Lebanon suffer from negligence and poverty.
            To assume that Iran is feeding, and building homes for the, southerners is also wrong.
            I won’t deny that the south has seen a flourishing economy. This didn’t happen because of Iran’s money. It all started in the nineties by money that were coming in, from Lebanese living abroad, especially Africa and the United States. After the 2000 liberation, more money poured in from abroad, to the areas that had just been liberated. No doubt that Iran’s money made a difference for the community as whole. But the people of south take most of the credit for building their cities and villages on their own (I wish I could have given the credit to our government instead).
            Iran didn’t build a single home in south Lebanon, all of their money went to roads, bridges, hospitals, and other community projects, none went o building home at all. Thank to our governments… Why does it have to be this way? Why do people have to relay on Iran? You tell me.
            After the 2006 war, money poured in from Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, and other countries for reconstruction of homes and institutions destroyed. (BTW;I don’t own a home there)
            If people had to relay on the Seniora Government, no thing would have been build. No wonder Qatar. Iran, Kuwait, and UAE, managed their own money directly. So much trust in our government institutions.
            As for your sudden concern for Palestinians, No doubt all Lebanese are as guilty of mistreating Palestinians. (I don’t own a home there either)
            But my question to you is this; Should I blame all maronites collectively for what the phalange and the LF did to the Palestinians ( Tal Azaata, karantina)and to other Lebanese ?If your answer is yes, then I would blame all the shiaa for the war Amal (directed by the Syrians) against Palestinian camps. You know it is not fair to blame all maronites, and shiia for ALL of wars and crimes committed by the phalange, LF and Amal.
            The southerners suffered as much as any other area because of the PLO abuse, BUT THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN AN EXCUSE TO wage wars on Palestinian camp, or against individual Palestinians. Amal’s war against Palestinian camps created a big rift among shiia community, which resulted in an Amal /HA War.
            I hope you would join the efforts to liberate those villages, you claim, occupied by Syria. But THE FACT THAT THEY ARE SHIAA (as you say), I might be reluctant to liberate them, because we have enough Shiia already. Let’s look for Christian towns we can liberate from Syria. I’ll give up my rights in the seven Shiia villages, Israel occupied and annexed in 1948, for seven Christian villages from Syria.
            Note: You may want to taste the Persian flavor, my friend. They are hot. You will find them in LA and in Manhattan. (NO BURKA EITHER) LOL.

    3. A group of about 30 Iranian journalists, intellectuals, and academics based in the United States, Canada, and Europe have said in an open letter addressed to the people of Lebanon that they should not be fooled by Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad, whom they accuse of being up to no good.

      Exerts from the letter that was posted on Iranian news websites:

      Today a man is visiting your country that has neither brought peace and calm and prosperity for Iran, nor does he think about the peace, calm, and prosperity of Lebanon. Ahmadinejad, who stole the 2009 presidential vote and who named himself president instead of the man chosen by the people of Iran, does not represent the Iranian people.

      It is likely that Ahmadinejad will make promises of financial help during his trip to Lebanon , yet the economic situation under his government is too bad for these promises to become materialized. He is only using his trip to Lebanon for political show and he doesn’t care about the people of Lebanon and Iran, their current [situation] and their future.

      The letter’s signatories, who include Iranian-Canadian philosopher and author Ramin Jahanbegloo and former legislator Fatemeh Haghighatjou, write that while they respect those Lebanese citizens who welcomed Ahmadinejad to Lebanon, they believe that Ahmadinejad does not deserve their trust.

      — Golnaz Esfandiari

    4. NAGDELLA:
      Ahmadinejad stole our votes yesterday and will steal your trust today. His intention is not to help you, just as his intention is not to serve Iran. His firebrand cries of justice to Iranians has brought nothing but poverty, imprisonment and torture under the name of God and his rabble rousing against Israel is nothing but a public deception of the Islamic world and will bring nothing for your land other than war. He uses your land as a frontline trench of his imaginary war. His insignificant loan is like the blood money for the great spirit of the youth of your country.

  2. NAGDELLA Avatar

    Dear Diana Nemeh,

    My my, so much emotion from such a small fairy tale. I mean the sensation is so thick you can cut it with a knife. I notice you are another opinionist who also suffers from selective memory syndrome. ‘YaLibnan’ must buy them by the dozen! The fact that you chose to launch a scathing personal vendetta against this man, tells me one of two things; either you are another amateur and skewed commentator or this man is your ex-husband.

    Out of the numerous occasions the American Embassy has sent out notices to their citizens, you felt it essential to highlight this point during the visit of the Iranian President. Wait let me guess. It’s because the Americans are so neutral and civilised, right? Oh and I bet you were trembling as much as I was when this unheard of group threatened Lebanon. I felt the quake a mile away!

    And as I told another one-sided commentator, the farsi language is very poetic and they use a lot of allegory so the ‘Iranian border in Lebanon’ simply means in spirit, the same way fans support a sporting team. You already knew that didn’t you but that wouldn’t be the standard to be impartial on this website.

    You sit there spilling out your heart to the head of the Iranian states’ trip to Lebanon, and you decide to mention the “controversial re-election” and the “denial of human rights to Iranian citizens” which is utter conjecture. Are you just trying to make up paragraphs for your editorial? Stick to the topic because you sound like an American politician.

    As much as you have tried and failed to spin a negative outcome on the Iranian Presidents’ visit to Lebanon, blindly you have overlooked reality. Lebanon inked 17 trade agreements with Iran. So when you want to talk about yielding positive results and strengthening ties, state the facts and not your imagination.

    So Diana Nemeh, when Mr. Ahmadinejad and his entourage of 50 businessmen enjoy their short stay here after shaking things up, I hope your celebration at Sky Bar will somehow console your illusive conquest. Because your celebration and Sky Bar have one thing in common.. They are both closing weekends!

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      Nagdella,
      It is really black and white. Let us talk openly. The ONLY people in Lebanon who enjoyed the Iranian President are the Shiites. That is not to say it is a bad thing. We are in a democratic country (supposedly if it weren’t for one group holding the sword on the necks of what is known as the majority) and it is in the right of people to like who they want. Hell I like Che Guevara. However, here comes the red thin line that divides Lebanon in the middle. Like it or not, as we stand, we are a split nation with two wills. One that is respectful of the Law of the land and tries to dominate via the state institutions and another trying to dominate via its armed militia. Either of which are in the wrong because no one sect can rule by itself and that is one lesson too many idiot megalomaniac politicians have yet to learn from our history, old or modern. The gains achieved are really short living. Ahmadinejad can be good for you but he certainly is neutral for me or may even have negative outcome from where I stand. Do I have to like him? Certainly NOT! I am after all in a democratic society (minus the arms of Hezbollah) and supposedly can speak my mind. Tripoli and the North apparently raised his pictures with an X mark telling him, he is not welcome over here. Are they not Lebanese? Now let me tell you where we are heading Nagdella. Straight to HELL!!! Why? Because no sons or daughters of Lebanon will submit to tyranny and that is what will happen soon. I hope I am wrong for Lebanon’s sake.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar

        Yes Hannibal, I agree with you that we are a divided nation. We have been divided since the day Lebanon, as we know it, was created.
        The division started with the sectarian system imposed by the French colonist. The division continued to deepen because of the way the elites ruled the country. Most Lebanese knew nothing about their state except, the name of the internationally and regionally, imposed presidents. This is what you consider democracy.
        Our society is divided on the question of who is a foe , and who is a friend. The day we can solve this question, then and only, then we can seriously find solutions to our problems.
        Some of our fellow Lebanese consider Israel a neighbor, while others have been killed and occupied by that same neighbor. Some considered it a friend at one point of our history, and ended up supporting it when it invaded our capital, and occupied our land. Some of them are proud, still,of that history , and have enough guts to ask us for a medal for their shameful history. Tell that to those who were under occupation for 22 years, and then ask why we are a divided nation.
        No one says you have to like Ahmadi Najad. No one says you need to agree with his policies .But you should be able to recognize that Iran is not an enemy to any Lebanese.
        The so called democracy was, and still is, an empty word. We have a sectarian system and democracy at the same time. Let’s not kid ourselves with fancy talks about democracy, as we practice it in Lebanon. You would not want a true democracy in Lebanon, would you? I challenge you to support abolishing our sectarian system, and adopt a true democracy where every one’s vote counts. I challenge you to support a presidential system where our president (Maronite still) is elected by the people directly.

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar

          LEBORIGINE,Here are few facts, you need to know;I don’t consider Syria as an enemy.I have never, ever supported Syria’s military presence in Lebanon.I have had issues with Syria as well. I’ve written about it here at this site, many times.
          Who invited the Syrians into Lebanon? It was the phalange and the Ahrar’s. It was Pierre Gemayle and Chamoun who invited Syria in. They were loosing their war against the PLO and Kamal Jumblat. Syria came in to save your ass, not mine.
          The same leadership that invited Syria in, eventually, invited the Israelis in, helped them kill their fellow Lebanese, and then occupy our country. You have some nerves questioning other people’s patriotism ,when you defend those who sought Israel’s help against your fellow Lebanese.
          When a group of people ally themselves with the enemy, they are putting the interest of the enemy and their own selfish interest ahead of the interest of their people. They are no thing but traitors.
          I know you will say; you needed to defend yourself against the PLO. I wonder who was in power when Lebanese government approved the Cairo agreement, which allowed the PLO to operate from Lebanon? Was it HA or Amal or SSNP, or Iran’s Najad? It was president Hulou, with the approval of Pierre Gemayle himself.Was I, as a southerner given a choice? Was I Asked? The answer is No, to both questions. But some find it convenient to blame the southerners, when our government abandoned them before, and after the PLO presence. We get blamed for defending Lebanon aganist Israeli aggression.
          Gone are the days where traitors decide our fate. It is no longer acceptable for traitors to decide who is a true Lebanese and who isn’t. Gone are the days, where people of the south, trust this rotten system to defend them.
          I’d rather be called Un-Lebanese, than a dead Lebanese or defeated Lebanese.
          One, thing we both have in common, is that we’re both big fans of Gibran.
          If Gibran was alive, I could see him adding the following line:
          Pity the nation that is full of hypocrites, who preach what they don’t practice.
          Pity the nation that considers Treason a point of view,
          Pity the nation which is full of haters, who preach love and peace.
          Pity the nation that worships its leaders
          Pity the nation that is full of people, whose; Heroes are criminals.

        2. Leborigine Avatar
          Leborigine

          Prophet,

          Here we go again, tit for tat. That is why I do not like going into these debates!!
          If Houlu or Gemayel did not let the PLO in, then they would have been disgraced for being anti arab and anti pales.
          We gave them an opportunity and they f*$#ed us, what can I say.
          Chamoun represented all the Lebanese, not just myself. He was a Lebanese president. Not for one sect only. But if that is how you feel, then that is another issue.
          You do not consider syria as an enemy, that is fine, but there are a lot of Lebanese who do not consider israel as an enemy either and that does not mean that they are traitors. That is the point that I am trying to get across.

          Do you really think that the LF alone used the israelis to kill their fellow Lebanese, again you make me wonder??
          Didn’t hizbollah and amal drive into the Xtian enclave with syrians and pales after that dog general tucked his tail and ran to the French embassy and killed over a 1000 army personel and LF members, despite their surrender, they were still executed by syrian and HA, but yet you do not consider syria as an enemy.
          I do not follow any leaders but am a great admirer of Moussa El sadr, Bashir Gemayel and Fakhr Eldinne.
          Prophet, I can keep going and going but I do not have time for this crap and there is no point anyway.
          You keep referring to your leader, his leader, her leader and so on, you never mention us or ours, you are always segragating your fellow Lebanese.
          I have never blamed the southerners for anything and never questioned your patriotism, so I do not know where that came from. If anything I am proud of the south more than anyone I know.
          Thanks for calling me a traitor, but if loving my country is treason, then so be it.

        3. Hannibal Avatar

          You are so very wrong prophet. If I could tell you the sacrifices my family did for the sake of this country you would wrap up in shame. My family, ALL my family was jailed because they believed in a non-sectarian Lebanon. I was 3 years old and I was left ALONE as the government jailed every one of my family members. Even my mother was jailed and the neighbors had to take me in, and you were not even a sperm. BTW, we are Maronite. As far as the foes question, let me put it this way ONCE AND FOR ALL: Israel AND Syria AND IRAN are my foes. That is my opinion AS A LEBANESE. Anyone who supports or pushes the agenda or interest of ANY of those I consider an enemy as well.
          As far as the sectarian system, it is setup by “an agreement” to protect minorities. It is and was NEVER LAW. Anyone really can challenge the status quo and run for president. However, consider this: As it is we the Christians are leaving the Levant in masses that would put the word Exodus to shame. Refer to the article “Muslim scholar: Christian exodus hurts the Middle East.” I for one will NEVER go back, not even for a visit. We have built a free Lebanese community here in the U.S. where all sects interact with the freedom we deserve. We transplanted our culture here and we are WELCOMED. We have our restaurants and churches and mosques and supermarkets (yes full Lebanese Supermarket) and even Lebanese American Politicians. Lebanon, is a culture… Unlike what some people think that it is ONLY land. The land is becoming arid and polluted because who is left behind does not care. The day Lebanon, Palestine and the Levant is devoid of Christians and other minorities is the day Israel wins. It looks that they have already won. If we do separate the religion from the state today, you know and I know, not even a Sunni would stand a chance. Only a Shiite will become a president. Lebanon is the ONLY country in the Middle East that has a Christian president. Is that too much to ask? Yes some abused the powers BUT what the oligarchs did to you and to your people they did worse to me and to my people. Go to the North and see the poverty. Women in their eighties are bent over in bread factories riddled with arthritis and they are still working in sub-human condition. Who would come to their rescue? Iran? Syria? Israel? the Vatican? NO nobody! We do not even have a dentist in our town. We have to carry elderlies all the way to Tripoli to find a doctor. The ride is more than bumpy because the Israelis bombarded all our roads and until now NOBODY came to fix the roads and this is almost five years after the 2006 war. You have Iran’s money, we have no money. We are leaving in an alarming rate from villages and customs that predated Islam and predated Christianity. My town ancestors worshipped ANAT before all those idiots came out of the damn peninsula. We are the legitimate owner of the land and all the others (look at it any which way you want) came here “ghuuzaat”. You challenge me? Go challenge your people to stop driving a nation UNWILLINGLY to the abyss. Failed State! Whore Nation! should be on every car plate in Lebanon. I rest my case.

        4. PROPHET.T Avatar

          Leborigine,
          I agree that we understand each other better now. We will have our disagreements still, and hopefully we can narrow them down.
          I won’t go back to the civil war period .I think all parties were guilty of killing each other ,and their own at times. This is one of the reasons I hate all the leaders who championed the civil war. This is why I never associate myself with any party in Lebanon. My views may coincide with some parties’ views here and there, but that does not mean I blindly support any party.
          As for Syria, I only give them credit for two things; Helping Lebanese get rid of the Shameful agreement of May 17,and supporting the resistance in liberating the occupied south. Other than that, Most of their actions were negative, and divisive.
          Not to defend everything HA ever did. But I don’t get where “HA helped the Syrians in 1990 kill your fellow Lebanese in East Beirut, what you call that…friendly fire!!”
          If you are referring to the Syrian attack on Michel Aoun, You properly meant the LF, and Elie Hubeika helping the Syrians take over Aoun’s area of control, and killing hundreds of Lebanese officers loyal to Michel Aoun. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
          One thing I hope you agree with, is that Lebanese in general, never take responsibility for any thing, they always blame others for their problems. They invite outside interference, and then complain about it. I wish they would admit their own mistakes, and learn from them.

      2. NAGDELLA Avatar

        Hannibal,

        If you want to talk about black and white, make sure you mention the black and white and not just the black. Seems you also suffer from selective memory syndrome. I have found this disease to be universal on this website.
        “The ONLY people in Lebanon who enjoyed the Iranian President are the Shiites.”

        Yes Hannibal because the ONLY people left to bear the frequent killings, kidnappings and assaults from Israel were the abandoned southerners. And the ONLY help and support to come to these people was from Iran and it didn’t come with pre-conditions like some so called ‘allies’.

        “We are in a democratic country (supposedly if it weren’t for one group holding the sword on the necks of what is known as the majority) and it is in the right of people to like who they want.”

        What a democracy indeed whereby only a sunni can be prime minister, a maronite can be president, and a shia can be speaker. Very democratic!

        “Ahmadinejad can be good for you but he certainly is neutral for me or may even have negative outcome from where I stand. Do I have to like him? Certainly NOT!”

        Who is telling you to like him? Just butt out if other people want to like him. The same way you like Che Guevara.

        “Because no sons or daughters of Lebanon will submit to tyranny and that is what will happen soon. I hope I am wrong for Lebanon’s sake.”

        I couldn’t have put it better myself but this is where I get confused. Is a shia only considered Lebanese when he is impoverished and oppressed because what is becoming evident is that as soon as he refuses tyranny, he gets labeled an Iranian!

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          MY MY Nagdella,
          Listen to the Iranian people posting on this site. NOT even ONE likes Ahmadinejad. You do have a selective memory syndrome indeed. What would you call Syria that for 30 years they bombarded us and killed us and jailed us and stole from us? A friend? You suffered and we suffered. If we would support you in the South would you support us if we were to attack Syria to get back our jailed sons and daughters and demarcate the land? I guess not. You are a hypocrite at best. I can’t believe I am saying that but I think Sami Gemayel’s suggestion to federalize the system is best. We will never see eye to eye. So a divorce is warranted. “7ello 3an tiiezna wu men 7ell 3an tiiezkun”. Unless of course you want to create another “nakba” and invade Lebanon a la zionist and kick the rightful people of the land out. Failed State! Whore Nation!

        2. PROPHET.T Avatar

          Hannibal,
          Ref; Your reply to NAGDELLA 6 hours ago
          Having Iranians posting here and not supporting Najad prove few things; democracy in Iran( though not perfect) is way better than our democracy. They have elected 6 different presidents in 32 years. Unfortunately , we can’t say that about any other Arab country , except for the fake democracy we practice in Lebanon.
          People reading this site, and most comments posted at this site, would get the impression that all Lebanese are March 14 supporters. You know this is not true either. Your argument of Iranians posting at this site is not valid, because you can easily find other sites where other Iranians views are posted.
          Not all Iranians agree or like Najad. Not all Iranians oppose Najad either. He won the election, though it was disputed by opposition groups. This is not the first time elections are disputed around the world. Our own American president Bush, stole an election ,and prevailed , despite the fact that the other party disputed the election. One thing you know for sure is that Najad can not run for another term. I’m not fond of the way they put down the protesters, I think they were wrong.
          I find it funny that you agree with Sami Gemayel’s federation solution.
          The phalange party tried to rule all of Lebanon and failed. They turned first to the Syrians, and then to the Israelis to accomplish this dream. Both attempts failed, now they suggest federation. They seem to always look for a solution that suits them, regardless of what the rest of the country wants. It’s really a selfish way of thinking, to suggest that federation is the best solution for Lebanon. When in reality they are looking for a solution that suits them only.
          If federation is the solution, would they have agreed to it in the 60’s?I bet not, they would have accused everyone advocating federation, of wanting to divide the country. Only when their plans failed, they suggested it. When Bashir was elected president he didn’t suggest federation ,because he thought he could rule all of Lebanon with the help of Israel and The united states. Back then federation didn’t suit him, since He was on top of his game.
          They are in no position to impose such a solution on Lebanon. They had the whole cake, and they were not willing to share it. Once they lost it, they want us to divide it, so they can have their share. Too late. The only solution is to abolish the rotten sectarian system, and implement a true democracy where every vote counts. True representation is the best way to run Lebanon.

        3. Hannibal Avatar

          Prophet ya prophet. The Phalange party does not represent me. I am saying since we do not see eye to eye what would be the best solution? Do we keep this fake marriage? I am telling you if you let the Christians vote (or what’s remaining of them) they would say we want out. The majority of the Christians in this atmosphere where Iran wield its sway via Hezbollah and the sword will vote for federation. We are not saying that we want to split the country. All what we are saying is just federate it like the US or Switzerland. We will be free of each others rules and regulations. I will have my Sunday and you will have your Friday. What’s wrong with that? chou bell uuwwe el chaghlee? What if I no longer want to be in Persian Lebanon? What if I do not want to be greeted at the airport with Khamenai’s pictures? Do you see me posting the Pope in your face? I want my Lebanon and you want yours. There will never be a middle. Stop hiding behind your finger and see it as it is. The alternative is to become like the Zionist and kick the Christians out. The second nakba awaits us. Only this time it will be at the hands of HA since they are the only ones with weapons. The sad part is that you will have then to wrap your wife from top to bottom when you visit Lebanon like Iran or Saudi Arabia and you then will live in the U.S. forever since she won’t accept it as she is addicted to the freedom that this country gives you and her.

        4. PROPHET.T Avatar

          Hannibal,
          Again You are looking for solutions that suits you my friend. Did I have a choice when some Christians wanted, and almost got a Lebanon allied with ISRAEL? NO, I didn’t.
          No one is imposing any thing, on you or on the Christians in Lebanon. But the Christians have to realize that the demographics have shifted, and most Christians decided to leave for the money or a better life.
          No one is threatening the Christians in Lebanon. It’s the policies that Christian leaders adopted that brought hell on Christians in Lebanon. Unfortunately, the same mentality still exists among many Christian leaders. They have not learned from their mistakes, and don’t seem to want to reexamine their actions. When you have leaders who insist on being proud of working with Israel, It tells me that they have not learned from their past.
          Again, you choose what suits you.
          The best solution is to implement a democratic system where everyone shares same responsibilities and duties.

    2. A group of about 30 Iranian journalists, intellectuals, and academics based in the United States, Canada, and Europe have said in an open letter addressed to the people of Lebanon that they should not be fooled by Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad, whom they accuse of being up to no good.

      Exerts from the letter that was posted on Iranian news websites:

      Today a man is visiting your country that has neither brought peace and calm and prosperity for Iran, nor does he think about the peace, calm, and prosperity of Lebanon. Ahmadinejad, who stole the 2009 presidential vote and who named himself president instead of the man chosen by the people of Iran, does not represent the Iranian people.

      It is likely that Ahmadinejad will make promises of financial help during his trip to Lebanon , yet the economic situation under his government is too bad for these promises to become materialized. He is only using his trip to Lebanon for political show and he doesn’t care about the people of Lebanon and Iran, their current [situation] and their future.

      The letter’s signatories, who include Iranian-Canadian philosopher and author Ramin Jahanbegloo and former legislator Fatemeh Haghighatjou, write that while they respect those Lebanese citizens who welcomed Ahmadinejad to Lebanon, they believe that Ahmadinejad does not deserve their trust.

      — Golnaz Esfandiari

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    Dear Diana Nemeh,

    My my, so much emotion from such a small fairy tale. I mean the sensation is so thick you can cut it with a knife. I notice you are another opinionist who also suffers from selective memory syndrome. ‘YaLibnan’ must buy them by the dozen! The fact that you chose to launch a scathing personal vendetta against this man, tells me one of two things; either you are another amateur and skewed commentator or this man is your ex-husband.

    Out of the numerous occasions the American Embassy has sent out notices to their citizens, you felt it essential to highlight this point during the visit of the Iranian President. Wait let me guess. It’s because the Americans are so neutral and civilised, right? Oh and I bet you were trembling as much as I was when this unheard of group threatened Lebanon. I felt the quake a mile away!

    And as I told another one-sided commentator, the farsi language is very poetic and they use a lot of allegory so the ‘Iranian border in Lebanon’ simply means in spirit, the same way fans support a sporting team. You already knew that didn’t you but that wouldn’t be the standard to be impartial on this website.

    You sit there spilling out your heart to the head of the Iranian states’ trip to Lebanon, and you decide to mention the “controversial re-election” and the “denial of human rights to Iranian citizens” which is utter conjecture. Are you just trying to make up paragraphs for your editorial? Stick to the topic because you sound like an American politician.

    As much as you have tried and failed to spin a negative outcome on the Iranian Presidents’ visit to Lebanon, blindly you have overlooked reality. Lebanon inked 17 trade agreements with Iran. So when you want to talk about yielding positive results and strengthening ties, state the facts and not your imagination.

    So Diana Nemeh, when Mr. Ahmadinejad and his entourage of 50 businessmen enjoy their short stay here after shaking things up, I hope your celebration at Sky Bar will somehow console your illusive conquest. Because your celebration and Sky Bar have one thing in common.. They are both closing weekends!

    1. Nagdella,
      It is really black and white. Let us talk openly. The ONLY people in Lebanon who enjoyed the Iranian President are the Shiites. That is not to say it is a bad thing. We are in a democratic country (supposedly if it weren’t for one group holding the sword on the necks of what is known as the majority) and it is in the right of people to like who they want. Hell I like Che Guevara. However, here comes the red thin line that divides Lebanon in the middle. Like it or not, as we stand, we are a split nation with two wills. One that is respectful of the Law of the land and tries to dominate via the state institutions and another trying to dominate via its armed militia. Either of which are in the wrong because no one sect can rule by itself and that is one lesson too many idiot megalomaniac politicians have yet to learn from our history, old or modern. The gains achieved are really short living. Ahmadinejad can be good for you but he certainly is neutral for me or may even have negative outcome from where I stand. Do I have to like him? Certainly NOT! I am after all in a democratic society (minus the arms of Hezbollah) and supposedly can speak my mind. Tripoli and the North apparently raised his pictures with an X mark telling him, he is not welcome over here. Are they not Lebanese? Now let me tell you where we are heading Nagdella. Straight to HELL!!! Why? Because no sons or daughters of Lebanon will submit to tyranny and that is what will happen soon. I hope I am wrong for Lebanon’s sake.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar

        Yes Hannibal, I agree with you that we are a divided nation. We have been divided since the day Lebanon, as we know it, was created.

        The division started with the sectarian system imposed by the French colonist. The division continued to deepen because of the way the elites ruled the country. Most Lebanese knew nothing about their state except the name of the internationally and regionally imposed president. This is what you consider democracy.

        Our society is divided on the question of who is a foe and who is a friend. The day we can solve this question, then and only, then we can seriously find solutions to our problems.

        Some of our fellow Lebanese consider Israel a neighbor, while others have been killed and occupied by that same neighbor. Some even considered it a friend at one point of our history, and ended up supporting it, when it invaded our capital, and occupied our land. Some of them are even proud of that history and have enough guts to ask us for a medal for their shameful history. Tell that to those who were under occupation for 22 years, and then ask them if we are a divided nation.

        No one says you have to like Ahmadi Najad. No one says you need to agree with his policies .But you should be able to recognize that Iran is not an enemy to any Lebanese.

        The so called democracy was, and still is, an empty word. We have a sectarian system and democracy at the same time. Let’s not kid ourselves with fancy talks about democracy, as we practice it in Lebanon. You would not want a true democracy in Lebanon, would you? I challenge you to support abolishing our sectarian system, and adopt a true democracy where every one’s vote counts. I challenge you to support a presidential system where our president (Maronite still) is elected by the people directly.

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          How Ironic you always seem to forget that Syria occupied Lebanon for 30 yrs and it didn’t do anything to protect it from israel and even divided Lebanon and pitted lebanese against another. One cannot call Syria either a friend who destroyed our country and our economy and thrived on taking profits from every institutions in the gov’t and drug trades. You call us traitors because we seek help from israel in order to protect ourselves and our identity. Yes you’re going to tell me that we massacred people and your side did it too. Nobody gave the permission to PLO to attack lebanese gov’t, soldiers and whoever stood in its way then. Stop labeling traitors while you befriended Syria for over 30 yrs while it was killing Lebanon slowly. even after 30 yrs hezbollah and its allies wanted to stay in Lebanon and you can’t deny that. Many shiites were made because it left lebanon. Since you were so strong why did you need Syria after you kicked israel out of Lebanon? was Syria helping one side over another? is this what you call a friendly state? Just because Iran is helping you and coming here to check on his troops and his own followers and boost their morale. You can tell him we don’t need his help and he can shove it where the sun don’t shine. You’re pushing to like Israel and by denying the killing of some many Lebanese leaders and encouraging civil strife and bloodshed, then again you’re driving south of the border. Who else can we can count on to protect us from you.. Its very simple in Lebanon its the survival game and just because israel your enemy so it happened also Syria is our enemy. Until you recognize that and recognize that Iran wants its own benefits and it doesn’t give a damn about Lebanon, then we will not have anything to do with you. Until your organization submit those criminals who were directly or indirectly involved in many assasinations that Lebanon will be even further divided. You keep talking about double standard and you’re one of the main advocate of Double Standard. Lebanon is not a front for Iran and you need to S.O.B we’re not his soldiers or tools to use us when you get paid from him. We’re not going to let you destroy lebanon because you love a hated man in his own backyard.

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          Haha Prophet, you really make me laugh sometimes and put a smile on my face.

          ‘Some of our fellow Lebanese consider Israel a neighbor, while others have been killed and occupied by that same neighbor. Some considered it a friend at one point of our history, and ended up supporting it when it invaded our capital, and occupied our land. Some of them are proud, still,of that history , and have enough guts to ask us for a medal for their shameful history.’ These are your own words and you always refer to this point in every post.

          I want to give you the same paragraph with syria in it instead of israel, and that is how I feel.

          You see, that is the difference between you and I, I always refer to two enemies of Lebanon, while you only refer to one. You always refer to people who sided with israel as traitors, I refer to people who sided with syria as traitors as well as to israel. You are no better than anyone from the LF if you support or supported the syrian occupation. I lived under their occupation, as well as pales, and believe me, the shiites had it sweet in the south with israeli occupation than what we did under the syrian/pales.

          I sympathise with my land, but I really despise my people who cannot process their brains logically.

          Pity the nation that is full of beliefs and empty of religion.

          Pity the nation divided into fragments, each fragment deeming itself a nation.

        3. PROPHET.T Avatar

          LEBORIGINE,

          Here are few facts, you need to know;

          I don’t consider Syria as an enemy.

          I have never, ever supported Syria’s military presence in Lebanon.I have had issues with Syria as well. I’ve written about it here at this site, many times.

          Who invited the Syrians into Lebanon? It was the phalange and the Ahrar’s.

          It was Pierre Gemayle and Chamoun who invited Syria in. They were loosing their war against the PLO and Kamal Jumblat. Syria came in to save your ass, not mine.

          The same leadership that invited Syria in, eventually, invited the Israelis in helped them kill their fellow Lebanese, and then occupy our country. You have some nerves questioning other people’s patriotism ,when you defend those who sought Israel’s help against your fellow Lebanese.

          When a group of people ally themselves with the enemy, they are putting the interest of the enemy and their own selfish interest ahead of the interest of their people. They are no thing but traitors.

          I know you will say; you needed to defend yourself against the PLO.

          I wonder who was in power when Lebanese government approved the Cairo agreement, which allowed the PLO to operate from Lebanon? Was it HA or Amal or SSNP, or Iran’s Najad? It was president Hulou, with the approval of Pierre Gemayle himself.

          Was I, as a southerner given a choice? Was I Asked? The answer is No, to both questions.

          But some find it convenient to blame the southerners, when our government abandoned them before, and after the PLO presence.

          Gone are the days where traitors decide our fate. It is no longer acceptable for traitors to decide who is a true Lebanese and who isn’t. Gone are the days, where people of the south, trust this rotten system to defend them.

          I’d rather be called Un-Lebanese, than a dead Lebanese or defeated Lebanese.

          One, thing we both have in common, is that we’re both big fans of Gibran.

          If Gibran was alive, I could hear see him adding the following line:

          Pity the nation that is full of hypocrites, who preach what they don’t practice.

          Pity the nation that considers Treason a point of view,

          Pity the nation that is full of haters, who preach peace, and love.

          Pity the nation that worships its leaders

          Pity the nation that is full of people, whose; Heroes are criminals.

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          Prophet,

          Here we go again, tit for tat. That is why I do not like going into these debates!!

          If Houlu or Gemayel did not let the PLO in, then they would have been disgraced for being anti arab and anti pales.

          We gave them an opportunity and they f*$#ed us, what can I say.

          Chamoun represented all the Lebanese, not just myself. He was a Lebanese president. Not for one sect only. But if that is how you feel, then that is another issue.

          You do not consider syria as an enemy, that is fine, but there are a lot of Lebanese who do not consider israel as an enemy either and that does not mean that they are traitors. That is the point that I am trying to get across.

          Do you really think that the LF alone used the israelis to kill their fellow Lebanese, again you make me wonder??

          Didn’t hizbollah and amal drive into the Xtian enclave with syrians and pales after that dog general tucked his tail and ran to the French embassy and killed over a 1000 army personel and LF members, despite their surrender, they were still executed by syrian and HA, but yet you do not consider syria as an enemy.

          I do not follow any leaders but am a great admirer of Moussa El sadr, Bashir Gemayel and Fakhr Eldinne.

          Prophet, I can keep going and going but I do not have time for this crap and there is no point anyway.

          You keep referring to your leader, his leader, her leader and so on, you never mention us or ours, you are always segragating your fellow Lebanese.

          I have never blamed the southerners for anything and never questioned your patriotism, so I do not know where that came from. If anything I am proud of the south more than anyone I know.

          Thanks for calling me a traitor, but if loving my country is treason, then so be it.

        5. You are so very wrong prophet. If I could tell you the sacrifices my family did for the sake of this country you would wrap up in shame. My family, ALL my family was jailed because they believed in a non-sectarian Lebanon. I was 3 years old and I was left ALONE as the government jailed every one of my family members. Even my mother was jailed and the neighbors had to take me in, and you were not even a sperm. BTW, we are Maronite. As far as the foes question, let me put it this way ONCE AND FOR ALL: Israel AND Syria AND IRAN are my foes. That is my opinion AS A LEBANESE. Anyone who supports or pushes the agenda or interest of ANY of those I consider an enemy as well.
          As far as the sectarian system, it is setup by “an agreement” to protect minorities. It is and was NEVER LAW. Anyone really can challenge the status quo and run for president. However, consider this: As it is we the Christians are leaving the Levant in masses that would put the word Exodus to shame. Refer to the article “Muslim scholar: Christian exodus hurts the Middle East.” I for one will NEVER go back, not even for a visit. We have built a free Lebanese community here in the U.S. where all sects interact with the freedom we deserve. We transplanted our culture here and we are WELCOMED. We have our restaurants and churches and mosques and supermarkets (yes full Lebanese Supermarket) and even Lebanese American Politicians. Lebanon, is a culture… Unlike what some people think that it is ONLY land. The land is becoming arid and polluted because who is left behind does not care. The day Lebanon, Palestine and the Levant is devoid of Christians and other minorities is the day Israel wins. It looks that they have already won. If we do separate the religion from the state today, you know and I know, not even a Sunni would stand a chance. Only a Shiite will become a president. Lebanon is the ONLY country in the Middle East that has a Christian president. Is that too much to ask? Yes some abused the powers BUT what the oligarchs did to you and to your people they did worse to me and to my people. Go to the North and see the poverty. Women in their eighties are bent over in bread factories riddled with arthritis and they are still working in sub-human condition. Who would come to their rescue? Iran? Syria? Israel? the Vatican? NO nobody! We do not even have a dentist in our town. We have to carry elderlies all the way to Tripoli to find a doctor. The ride is more than bumpy because the Israelis bombarded all our roads and until now NOBODY came to fix the roads and this is almost five years after the 2006 war. You have Iran’s money, we have no money. We are leaving in an alarming rate from villages and customs that predated Islam and predated Christianity. My town ancestors worshipped ANAT before all those idiots came out of the damn peninsula. We are the legitimate owner of the land and all the others (look at it any which way you want) came here “ghuuzaat”. You challenge me? Go challenge your people to stop driving a nation UNWILLINGLY to the abyss. Failed State! Whore Nation! should be on every car plate in Lebanon. I rest my case.

        6. PROPHET.T Avatar

          Leborigine,
          I don’t want to turn this discussion into tit for tat either. But I want to make few things clear.
          I didn’t accuse you personally of being a traitor, But I did accuse you of defending those who sought Israel’s help against their own people, because you did.
          To answer your question, yes the LF did help fight with Israel against Lebanese people. It was the LF initially established the security zone in the south. I was there, and saw what they did. I can even tell you the names of the officers where were in charge. If helping Israel kill and jail your fellow Lebanese in the south isn’t treason, I don’t know what that is. If hosting Sharon in junnieh isn’t treason, I don’t know what that is.

          The LF,and Bashir Gemayle invited, and helped Israel in 82 ,so he could become president. There are facts, not fiction. You should look at the official CIA web site, and read what they say about Bashir. I know you adore him and I won’t hurt your feelings.
          You say you don’t consider Israel an enemy. According to all Lebanese laws and governments, Israel has been, and still is enemy, while Syria is not. You can’t be selective when it comes to wanting a strong and stable government at the time you oppose your own government’s laws.
          It is obvious that we have two different views of Lebanon. I many not be able to convince you of any thing.
          If you read my previous posts here, You would realize how critical I have been of the Syrian, and all Lebanese factions , who were involved in the civil war. My criticism included Berii, Jumblat, and every other criminal who killed Lebanese people during the civil war, I have even called for trying them for crimes against humanity.
          Finally, I’ll say this to you; all Lebanese are in denial about their history and actions. Until Lebanese are gutsy enough to examine their history, and admit mistakes they did, we have no chance to rebuild this country with some minimum consensus. The day we stop worshipping leaders, all leaders, we can call ourselves civilized people. We are the worst type of tribes. Most of our leaders are a reproduction of the same families that never accounted for their actions and policies.

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          Prophet, at least I agree with your last paragraph.

          You are still not seeing my point though through this whole discussion.

          “If helping Israel kill and jail your fellow Lebanese in the south isn’t treason, I don’t know what what is.”

          HA helped the syrians in 1990 kill your fellow Lebanese in East Beirut, what do you call that…friendly fire!!

          The druze and the muslims assisted the pales in the slaughter of your fellow Lebanese in Damour…that was probably brotherly love. I lost lots of cousins in both situations and yet I have Lebanese brothers that do not consider syria as an enemy. I know that you have said that you were critical of their presence in Lebanon, but a lot of idiots supported their presence, even built statues and hanged posters.

          With all due respect, I do not give a rats a$$ about our government laws. I respect the laws as much as HA does. That is probably the only law that HA and the government share and agree on. The law in Egypt and Jordan are completely opposite and yet the people consider israel an enemy, that is no excuse.

          You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect anyone who does, but in my opinion, I think that we can agree and move on once we start understanding each other. All our bordering neighbours are either enemies or allies, as they all have had a piece of us.

          There is no bigger fish to fry than the other. They are both pirahnas.

        8. PROPHET.T Avatar

          Leborigine,

          I agree that understand each other better now. We will have our disagreements still, and hopefully we narrow them down.

          I won’t go back to the civil war period .I think all parties were guilty of killing each other ,and their own at times. This one of the reasons I hate all the leaders who championed the civil war. This is why I never associate myself with any party in Lebanon. My views may coincide with some parties here and there, but that won’t mean I blindly support any party.

          As for Syria, I only give them credit for two things; Helping Lebanese get rid of the Shameful agreement of May 17,and supporting the resistance in liberating the occupied south. Other than that, Most of their actions were negative, and divisive.

          Not to defend everything HA ever did. But I don’t get where “HA helped the Syrians in 1990 kill your fellow Lebanese in East Beirut, what you call that…friendly fire!!”

          If you are referring to the Syrian attack on Michel Aoun, You properly meant the LF, and Elie Hubeika helping the Syrians take over Aoun’s area of control, and killing hundreds of Lebanese officers loyal to Michel Aoun. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

          One thing I hope you agree with, is that Lebanese in general, never take responsibility for any thing, they always blame others for their problems. They invite outside interference, and then complain about it. I wish they would admit their own mistakes, and learn from them.

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        Hannibal,

        If you want to talk about black and white, make sure you mention the black and white and not just the black. Seems you also suffer from selective memory syndrome. I have found this disease to be universal on this website.

        “The ONLY people in Lebanon who enjoyed the Iranian President are the Shiites.”

        Yes Hannibal because the ONLY people left to bear the frequent killings, kidnappings and assaults from Israel were the abandoned southerners. And the ONLY help and support to come to these people was from Iran and it didn’t come with pre-conditions like some so called ‘allies’.

        “We are in a democratic country (supposedly if it weren’t for one group holding the sword on the necks of what is known as the majority) and it is in the right of people to like who they want.”

        What a democracy indeed whereby only a sunni can be prime minister, a maronite can be president, and a shia can be speaker. Very democratic!

        “Ahmadinejad can be good for you but he certainly is neutral for me or may even have negative outcome from where I stand. Do I have to like him? Certainly NOT!”

        Who is telling you to like him? Just butt out if other people want to like him. The same way you like Che Guevara.

        “Because no sons or daughters of Lebanon will submit to tyranny and that is what will happen soon. I hope I am wrong for Lebanon’s sake.”

        I couldn’t have put it better myself but this is where I get confused. Is a shia only considered Lebanese when he is impoverished and oppressed because what is becoming evident is that as soon as he refuses tyranny, he gets labeled an Iranian!

        1. MY MY Nagdella,
          Listen to the Iranian people posting on this site. NOT even ONE likes Ahmadinejad. You do have a selective memory syndrome indeed. What would you call Syria that for 30 years they bombarded us and killed us and jailed us and stole from us? A friend? You suffered and we suffered. If we would support you in the South would you support us if we were to attack Syria to get back our jailed sons and daughters and demarcate the land? I guess not. You are a hypocrite at best. I can’t believe I am saying that but I think Sami Gemayel’s suggestion to federalize the system is best. We will never see eye to eye. So a divorce is warranted. “7ello 3an tiiezna wu men 7ell 3an tiiezkun”. Unless of course you want to create another “nakba” and invade Lebanon a la zionist and kick the rightful people of the land out. Failed State! Whore Nation!

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          Hannibal,
          Ref; Your reply to NAGDELLA 6 hours ago
          Having Iranians posting here and not supporting Najad ,prove few things; democracy in Iran is way better than our democracy. They have elected 6 different presidents in 32 years. Unfortunately , we can’t say that about any other Arab country , except for the fake democracy we practice in Lebanon.
          People reading this site, and most comments posted at this site, would get the impression that all Lebanese are March 14 supporters. You know this is not true either. Your argument of Iranians posting at this site is not valid, because you can easily find other sites where other Iranians views are posted.
          Not all Iranians agree or like Najad. Not all Iranians oppose Najad either. He won the election, though it was disputed by opposition groups. This is not the first time elections are disputed around the world. Our own American president Bush, stole an election ,and prevailed , despite the fact that the other party disputed the election. One thing you know for sure is that Najad can not run for another term. I’m not fond of the way they put down the protesters, I think they were wrong.
          I find it funny that you agree with Sami Gemayel’s federation solution.
          The phalange party tried to rule all of Lebanon and failed. They turned first to the Syrians, and then to the Israelis to accomplish this dream. Both attempts failed, now they suggest federation. They seem to always look for a solution that suits them, regardless of what the rest of the country wants. It’s really a selfish way of thinking, to suggest that federation is the best solution for Lebanon. When in reality they are looking for a solution that suits them only.
          If federation is the solution, would they have agreed to it in the 60’s?I bet not, they would have accused everyone advocating federation, of wanting to divide the country. Only when their plans failed, they suggested it. When Bashir was elected president he didn’t suggest federation ,because he thought he could rule all of Lebanon with the help of Israel and The united states. Back then federation didn’t suit him, since He was on top of his game.
          They are in no position to impose such a solution on Lebanon. They had the whole cake, and they were not willing to share it. Once they lost it, they want us to divide it, so they can have their share. Too late. The only solution is to abolish the rotten sectarian system, and implement a true democracy where every vote counts. True representation is the best way to run Lebanon.

        3. Prophet ya prophet. The Phalange party does not represent me. I am saying since we do not see eye to eye what would be the best solution? Do we keep this fake marriage? I am telling you if you let the Christians vote (or what’s remaining of them) they would say we want out. The majority of the Christians in this atmosphere where Iran wield its sway via Hezbollah and the sword will vote for federation. We are not saying that we want to split the country. All what we are saying is just federate it like the US or Switzerland. We will be free of each others rules and regulations. I will have my Sunday and you will have your Friday. What’s wrong with that? chou bell uuwwe el chaghlee? What if I no longer want to be in Persian Lebanon? What if I do not want to be greeted at the airport with Khamenai’s pictures? Do you see me posting the Pope in your face? I want my Lebanon and you want yours. There will never be a middle. Stop hiding behind your finger and see it as it is. The alternative is to become like the Zionist and kick the Christians out. The second nakba awaits us. Only this time it will be at the hands of HA since they are the only ones with weapons. The sad part is that you will have then to wrap your wife from top to bottom when you visit Lebanon like Iran or Saudi Arabia and you then will live in the U.S. forever since she won’t accept it as she is addicted to the freedom that this country gives you and her.

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          Hannibal,

          Again You are looking for solutions that suits you my friend. Did I have a choice when some Christians wanted, and almost got a Lebanon allied with ISRAEL? NO, I didn’t.

          No one imposing any thing, on you or on the Christians in Lebanon. But the Christians have to realize that the demographics have shifted, and most Christians decided to leave for the money or a better life.

          No one is threatening the Christians in Lebanon. It’s the policies that Christian leaders adopted that brought hell on Christians in Lebanon. Unfortunately, the same mentality still exists among many Christian leaders. They have not learned from their mistakes, and don’t seem to want to reexamine their actions. When you have leaders who insist on being proud of working with Israel, It tells me that they have not learned from their past.

          Again, you choose what suits you.

          The best solution is to implement a democratic system where everyone shares same responsibilities and duties.

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        Hannibal,

        If you want to talk about black and white, make sure you mention the black and white and not just the black. Seems you also suffer from selective memory syndrome. I have found this disease to be universal on this website.

        “The ONLY people in Lebanon who enjoyed the Iranian President are the Shiites.”

        Yes Hannibal because the ONLY people left to bear the frequent killings, kidnappings and assaults from Israel were the abandoned southerners. And the ONLY help and support to come to these people was from Iran and it didn’t come with pre-conditions like some so called ‘allies’.

        “We are in a democratic country (supposedly if it weren’t for one group holding the sword on the necks of what is known as the majority) and it is in the right of people to like who they want.”

        What a democracy indeed whereby only a sunni can be prime minister, a maronite can be president, and a shia can be speaker. Very democratic!

        “Ahmadinejad can be good for you but he certainly is neutral for me or may even have negative outcome from where I stand. Do I have to like him? Certainly NOT!”

        Who is telling you to like him? Just butt out if other people want to like him. The same way you like Che Guevara.

        “Because no sons or daughters of Lebanon will submit to tyranny and that is what will happen soon. I hope I am wrong for Lebanon’s sake.”

        I couldn’t have put it better myself but this is where I get confused. Is a shia only considered Lebanese when he is impoverished and oppressed because what is becoming evident is that as soon as he refuses tyranny, he gets labeled an Iranian!

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      My my Nagdella, the words of another brainwash victim. The way you defend Ahmadinejad as if he was your husband and the regime your children. Just like Diana said ask the citizens of Iran if this man should be trusted, ask me. I promise he would not receive the same welcome at home as he did with the Lebanese. This man invested millions in Lebanon but it was not for the welfare or education of the residents but only to push Nasrallahs power in Lebanon. Looks like his trip did boost his image and influence, at least for you. Was that you in the street throwing rose petals and sweets at his motorcade? Keep him there with you and quite possibly he will turn Beirut in Tehran.

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        GreaterPersia, I don’t need to ask you or Diana. The Iranian citizens were asked and they answered. They overthrew the pawn of the US in 1979. That’s all the proof I need. The US and their modernized puppets tried to initiate another uprising after the Presidential elections and they failed miserably. Actions speak louder than words!

        “This man invested millions in Lebanon but it was not for the welfare or education of the residents but only to push Nasrallahs power in Lebanon.”

        GreaterPersia, I don’t know what Lebanon you’ve been monitoring, but I advise you to take a stroll through Lebanon one day instead of taking erroneous facts from fox news. Hezbollahs’ funding of welfare AND education is blatantly obvious so refrain from regurgitating indecent propaganda.

        And tell me something. Who was Iran supposed to give the millions to? The Lebanese government? Go and find out what happened to the aid that was donated to the crooked government after the July War whereby till this day, people are still waiting for their compensation and most of the money is still unaccounted for. Pathetic!

        If this is the Beirut you long for then by all means you are welcome to bow to these parasites!

        1. Well really Nagdella I don’t need his money if I do not go stirring trouble with the Israelis and kidnap their soldiers and hijack all of the nation into a war and a path unwillingly now do I?
          From an Iranian perspective, when my economy is screwed, why would I send money to Lebanon unless I expect some kind of return on my investment. The Iranians I spoke to (and they are very nice people the Iranians) do not want the money to go to anyone. So that regime is pushing its religious hegemony agenda in the region at the expense of the Iranian commoner and boy what a payback they received. I have never seen such rallies not even for any Lebanese achievers (and philanthropists) and they are many, heck I never saw anything like it in the world not even for queen Elizabeth in England proper. lol
          I do agree with you on one thing though our government is made up of thieves and Hezbollah, takes care of its own. However, from where I stand I still see it as a sectarian party and should be dismantled like any sectarian party which does not include all other sects within their ranks. However, that goes against the make up of the Iranian regime and the money will stop flowing.

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          Hannibal:

          “Well really Nagdella I don’t need his money if I do not go stirring trouble with the Israelis and kidnap their soldiers and hijack all of the nation into a war and a path unwillingly now do I?”

          Ofcourse you don’t need their money. It’s not your home or land that was usurped because it’s not you that is the real threat against the Israelis. It is the people who are resisting Israeli threats and occupation. Whether that’s you or not I’ll let you decide. And tell me something, was it the Palestinians that went around stirring trouble with the Israelis during the creation of the Balfour Declaration? When Hezbollah was non-existent, what the Israelis were doing wasn’t stirring was it? Thankyou very much Hannibal. Thankyou for exposing your true nature and stance towards Israel. It tells me a lot about a person.

          “From an Iranian perspective, when my economy is screwed, why would I send money to Lebanon unless I expect some kind of return on my investment.”

          And therein lays the difference between a noble person and one like yourself. Some people help others out of goodwill and don’t expect anything in return while others like yourself worship the dollar.

          “I have never seen such rallies not even for any Lebanese achievers (and philanthropists) and they are many, heck I never saw anything like it in the world not even for queen Elizabeth in England proper. lol”

          Queen Elizabeth? Haha.. You mean the woman who lives in a palace with servants and guards and drivers etc etc etc Yeah I can see why the average Londoner would want to rally behind her. The perfect role model. So remote from the rest of society. Why don’t you try looking for a leader who no matter what position he or she holds, does not consider themselves superior to others.

          When was the last time Queen Elizabeth condemned the Israelis for the prison they have created called Gaza? Yeah I can’t remember either!

        3. I will be at the frontline fighting if the Israelis attack Lebanon because I consider Lebanon, ALL of lebanon my land, and home and country unlike you people with your jamhouriyet le jnoub. So stop the division bull because you can use that line on a kid like you not on me. At least you have a home… Have you ever strolled North and watched the poverty? we have kids with no shoes including Palestinian kids running without shoes in the streets. Instead of attacking me personally without knowing me why don’t you stop looking for a lame excuse to carry a weapon and take that money offered to you to use for terror and feed and dress the Palestinians IN your BACKYARD in Lebanon. All of a sudden you worry about Palestine? you forgot that your people fought them and massacred them in the South? It is so very convenient to sell their plight and use it like all the Arab morons like yourself and keep them locked up in your backyard in more than a concentration camp and criticize the Israelis for what they are doing in Gaza. At least the Israelis do not pretend that they love them like you people do. It is in the open for them and they do not have a hidden agenda, we all know that the Israelis are to no good and they do not hide it. So stop your propaganda here and face the truth about your Persian hegemony agenda. I will watch you guys when you get at each others soon, Sunni and Shia for a stupid hatred you have for each others over a stupid history and quarrel that happened thousands of years ago. Fight Kill Fight Kill all what you know. Look at your flag with a rifle or a sword on it. If that is your lot and choice it is not mine. I really wonder if the Palestinians sign a treaty with the Israelis and we get peace who will you turn your weapons against? Will you free the prisoners in Syria? will you fight Syria for usurping the Lebanese land? BTW MOST of the borders with Syria that has been occupied by the Syrians is Shia property. When do you think you would go and claim it back?
          Now as I said before since you refuse to see it our way and fall in within the realm of a nation let it be two nations and the sooner the better: One with a Lebanese Flag and another with a Persian Flag. I refuse to welcome people in MY COUNTRY at the airport with your Khamena’i ma ba3ref chou instead of YOUR LEBANESE PRESIDENT. You are more proud of your Iranian revolutionary than the martyrs who fell for ANY reason for the sake of the country. Is it too much to ask to Lebanize Lebanon? Or every 10 years we have a biatch group bringing in foreign flags into our arena? Always a country within a country. Nobody wants to belong to this nation so let us split it wu moekhlas ba’a. First the Turks and before them the Mamluks of Egypt then the French then the Palestinians waltzing in Lebanon and thinking it is theirs, then the Syrians, then the Israelis, then the stupid LFs who thought they can rule Lebanon by themselves, then Syria again, then now HA with a Persian flavor, who NEXT? For God’s sake why don’t you guys get the hell out and leave the people be?

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            Hannibal,

            You are so wrong about “Jamhouriat aljnub”, my friend. This only exists in your mind, and the minds of people who know so little about the south. I don’t underestimate your academic and historical knowledge, but you really got this one wrong.

            I’m more proud of being a Lebanese ,than any other identity, I’m forced to identify with in a sick/sectarian society like Lebanon. You can punch under the belt as much as you can, that won’t change a thing.

            Before I answer your question of “who will you turn your weapons against?” I would remind you that the Shiia were the last to carry weapons in Lebanon. It was the Christian parties who started arming in the sixties and seventies. The shiaa were the punching bag for everyone in Lebanon. They were the sanitation workers of Beirut, and the lucky ones worked at the port, lifting boxes.

            None of what they have would have been giving to them by our sectarian regime, or the elites who were ruling Lebanon. So stop throwing cheap shots that don’t add any thing to this discussion.

            You choose to stay abroad, vowing not to ever return, yet you question the loyalty of those who took the burden and fought to liberate Lebanon. You live in the US, yet you question the patriotism, and the nationalism of those who dies for Lebanon. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DO THAT.

            You don’t like the Khoumani picture at the airport as much as I dislike it myself. But To some, Khoumai is a pope like figure.

            I value your family’ sacrifice as much as my family’s scarifies. (15 people only).

            To assume that Iran is feeding and building homes for, the southerners is also wrong.

            Poverty exists in south Lebanon, as it exists in other areas of Lebanon. Thanks to our governments, which have always neglected its people, neglected to defend them, and subsidized all of its responsibilities to other countries or parties.

            To assume that Iran is feeding and building homes for, the southerners is also wrong.

            I won’t deny that the south has seen a flourishing economy. This didn’t happen because of Iran’s money. It all started in the mid-nineties by all the money that was coming in, from Lebanese living abroad, and especially Africa and the United States. After the 2000 liberation, more money started pouring in from abroad, especially to the areas that had just been liberated. No doubt that Iran’s money made a difference for the community as whole. But the people of south take most of the credit for building their cities and villages on their own (I wish I could have given the credit to our government instead).

            Iran didn’t build a single home in south Lebanon, all of their money went to roads, bridges, hospitals, and other community projects, none went o building home at all.

            After the 2006 war, money poured in from Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, and other countries for reconstruction of homes and institutions destroyed. (I don’t own a home there)

            If people had to relay on the Seniora Government, no thing would have been build. No wonder Qatar. Iran, Kuwait, and UAE, managed their own money directly. So much trust in our government institutions.

            As for your sudden concern for Palestinians, No doubt all Lebanese are as guilty of mistreating Palestinians.( I don’t own a home there either)

            But my question to you is this; Should I blame all maronites collectively for what the phalange and the Lf did to the Palestinians ( Tal Azaata, karantina)and to other Lebanese ?If your answer is yes, then I would blame all the shiaa for the war Amal (directed by the Syrians) against Palestinian camps. You know it is not fair to blame all maronites, and shiia for ALL of wars and crimes committed by the phalange, LF and Amal.

            The southerners suffered as much as any other area because of the PLO abuse, BUT THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN AN EXCUSE TO wage wars on Palestinian camp, or against individual Palestinians. You know, that the Amal war against Palestinian camps created a big rift among shiia community, which resulted in an Amal /HA War.

            I hope you would join the efforts to liberate those villages , you claim, occupied by Syria.But THE FACT THAT THEY ARE SHIAA( as you say), I might be reluctant to liberate them, because we have enough Shiia already. Let’s look for Christian towns we can liberate from Syria. I’ll give up my rights in the seven Shiia villages Israel occupied and annexed in 1948 , for seven Christian villages from Syria.

            Note: You may want to taste the Persian flavor, my friend. They are hot. You will find them in LA and in Manhattan. (NO BURKA EITHER) LOL.

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      Ahmadinejad stole our votes yesterday and will steal your trust today. His intention is not to help you, just as his intention is not to serve Iran. His firebrand cries of justice to Iranians has brought nothing but poverty, imprisonment and torture under the name of God and his rabble rousing against Israel is nothing but a public deception of the Islamic world and will bring nothing for your land other than war. He uses your land as a frontline trench of his imaginary war. His insignificant loan is like the blood money for the great spirit of the youth of your country.

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      NAGDELLA:

      Ahmadinejad stole our votes yesterday and will steal your trust today. His intention is not to help you, just as his intention is not to serve Iran. His firebrand cries of justice to Iranians has brought nothing but poverty, imprisonment and torture under the name of God and his rabble rousing against Israel is nothing but a public deception of the Islamic world and will bring nothing for your land other than war. He uses your land as a frontline trench of his imaginary war. His insignificant loan is like the blood money for the great spirit of the youth of your country.

  4. PROPHET.T Avatar

    Diana Nemeh,
    As a fellow Lebanese myself, I ask you few questions;
    Can you tell us what that “world” has done for Lebanon? Can you tell us when this world of yours sided with Lebanon? Can you tell us when this world, with its worldly institutions, ever protected Lebanon? Where was that world of yours, when Israel was shelling southern towns, and killing civilian people for no reason? Where were they when Israel had our capital under siege, before destroying it, and later on occupying it? What is this world doing to make Israel abide by international law and UN security resolution? Sorry , You and your “world” must not have heard that large part of your country was occupied by Israel, and yet some small parts are under occupation still.
    Are you worried about being isolated? so starnge You and I are both worrie.I’ve been worried about survival since I was a child. It is obvious that your priorities are so different, than those of most Lebanese. It’s is so ironic, and telling; that you worry so much about what the US embassy does or does not do. Where you as worried about the US embassy’s announcements when Israel was destroying your country? I bet not. Your country does not include south lebanon . Your country is limited to down town Beirut,and to the shisha places.
    Please, do not mention the bureaucracy of Lebanon and, the question of trust. Unfortunately our own state had abandoned its own responsibilities toward its own people years ago. How much trust do you have in Lebanese bureaucracy? You tell me. The world corruption must be such a strange word to you. During the last five years alone, $11 billion were spent by the Siniora government are not accounted for, Or you have not heard?
    None of the Arab leaders, who have visited Lebanon, ever thought of visiting south Lebanon, except for the Emir of Qatar, whose country had lead the reconstruction efforts in the southern towns destroyed by Israel’s 2006 aggression.
    Iranian President Nejad traveled all the way south, to reach the Lebanese borders with Israel. I challenge any leader of the so-called moderate Arab to visit Bint Jbeil, Qana, or Maroon-Al Rass.
    I challenge any of them to travel through the streets of Beirut, or any street, in their own capitals in an open- roof car, like Najad did in Beirut.
    I wonder if you ever traveled south or north of Beirut. I can asure you that they are part of lebanon. People will speak your language too. Unlike Najad, You won’t need interpetors.I know you won’t , becaus eyou are so busy reading the US embassy announcements. Stay busy.
    Najad’s visit to the border city of Bint Jbeil is courageous and historic by all means. It sends a message to Israel; that geopolitics has reached its border.

    1. amber11111 Avatar
      amber11111

      i believe that you are getting paid to write some negative things about the visit of president Ahmad Nejad. At least ponder the thought of who stood by your country during the war . I am American Lebanese and have been out side Lebanon for thirty years.You should be proud of his visit to our beautiful country.why don’t you ask YOURSELF, what did the WORLD do for LEBANON! Have you ever seen any other presidents visit the south of Lebanon? be optimistic not pessimistic.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar

        amber11111,
        I’m not sure if you really meant this reply to me .I was not the one criticizing Najad’s visit to south Lebanon, I don’t know what makes you think I’m getting paid to write against the visit , when in reality I was defending it. lol

        1. amber11111 Avatar
          amber11111

          lol. im just writing to all the people who think that the visit of Ahmad Nejad was a bad thing, and that they should be proud of him not degrading his presence to the south of Lebanon!

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          amber11111

          LOL! AND SAUED HASSAN HIZABALLAH

        3. amber11111 Avatar
          amber11111

          lol. im just writing to all the people who think that the visit of Ahmad Nejad was a bad thing, and that they should be proud of him not degrading his presence to the south of Lebanon!

      2. Hannibal Avatar

        Obviously you have lived too long in the U.S. for two reasons:
        First you understand nothing about politics like most Americans yet you think you know it all.
        Second you think everyone must be paid because for the Americans everything boils down to Money.
        If I were to take a wild guess you probably know what Hummus and Tabbouli is and think you know Lebanon.
        Stick around may be you’ll learn something about how complex this country is.

      3. Hannibal Avatar

        Obviously you have lived too long in the U.S. for two reasons:
        First you understand nothing about politics like most Americans yet you think you know it all.
        Second you think everyone must be paid because for the Americans everything boils down to Money.
        If I were to take a wild guess you probably know what Hummus and Tabbouli is and think you know Lebanon.
        Stick around may be you’ll learn something about how complex this country is.

  5. PROPHET.T Avatar

    Diana Nemeh,

    As a fellow Lebanese myself, I ask you few questions;

    Can you tell us what that “world” has done for Lebanon? Can you tell us when this world of yours sided with Lebanon? Can you tell us when this world, with its worldly institutions, ever protected Lebanon? Where was that world of yours, when Israel was shelling southern towns, and killing civilian people for no reason? Where were they when Israel had our capital under siege, before destroying it, and later on occupying it? What is this world doing to make Israel abide by international law and UN security resolution? Sorry , You and your “world” must not have heard that large part of your country was occupied by Israel, and yet some small parts are under occupation still.

    Do you are worried about being isolated? So funny, I’ve been worried about survival since I was a child. It is obvious that your priorities are so different, than those of most Lebanese. It’s is so ironic, and telling; that you worry so much what the US embassy does or does not do. Where you as worried about the US embassy’s announcements when Israel was destroying your country? I bet not.

    Please, do not mention the bureaucracy of Lebanon and, the question of trust. Unfortunately our own state had abandoned its own responsibilities toward its own people years ago. How much trust do you have in Lebanese bureaucracy? You tell me. The world corruption must be such a strange word to you. During the last five years alone, $11 billion were spent by the Siniora government are not accounted for, Or you have not heard?

    None of the Arab leaders, who have visited Lebanon, ever thought of visiting south Lebanon, except for the Emir of Qatar, whose country had lead the reconstruction efforts in the southern towns destroyed by Israel’s 2006 aggression.

    Iranian President Nejad traveled all the way south, to reach the Lebanese borders with Israel. I challenge any leader of the so-called moderate Arab to visit Bint Jbeil, Qana, or Maroon-Al Rass.

    I challenge any of them to travel through the streets of Beirut, or any street, in their own capitals in an open- roof car, like Najad did in Beirut.

    Najad’s visit to the border city of Bint Jbeil is courageous and historic by all means. It sends a message to Israel; that geopolitics has reached its border.

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      i believe that you are getting paid to write some negative things about the visit of president Ahmad Nejad. At least ponder the thought of who stood by your country during the war . I am American Lebanese and have been out side Lebanon for thirty years.You should be proud of his visit to our beautiful country.why don’t you ask YOURSELF, what did the WORLD do for LEBANON! Have you ever seen any other presidents visit the south of Lebanon? be optimistic not pessimistic.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar

        amber11111,

        I’m not sure if you really meant this reply to me .I was not the one criticizing Najad’s visit to south Lebanon, I don’t know what makes you think I’m getting paid to write against the visit , when in reality I was defending it. lol

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          lol. im just writing to all the people who think that the visit of Ahmad Nejad was a bad thing, and that they should be proud of him not degrading his presence to the south of Lebanon!

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          LOL! AND SAUED HASSAN HIZABALLAH

      2. Obviously you have lived too long in the U.S. for two reasons:
        First you understand nothing about politics like most Americans yet you think you know it all.
        Second you think everyone must be paid because for the Americans everything boils down to Money.
        If I were to take a wild guess you probably know what Hummus and Tabbouli is and think you know Lebanon.
        Stick around may be you’ll learn something about how complex this country is.

  6. amarantha Avatar

    Great article!Congratulations!

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    Great article!Congratulations!

  8. Prophet,

    If you put lebanon first you will not but your sect first. People from the south choose fear instead of love of their fellow lebanese. Although you keep accusing criminal ( i don’t agree to call them criminal put that is beside the point) such as geagea berri jumblat. Your blinded love of hez don’t make you see the destruction path of hezbollah for first your sect and second your nation. You keep blaming other for the present situation in lebanon, because it give you an illusion of protection. But the day you gonna realize that unity include the south it could be late because your opinion to support Iran Syria and hez is puting lebanon to the path of civil strife. Don’t make the same mistake as we christian have done and other sect in lebanon.

    regards from a lebanese brother

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar

      Chouri,
      You got this one wrong brother.
      I didn’t choose fear; fear had been a permanent guest since the day I was born.
      Having to go to first grade under the threat of bombs wasn’t a choice ,Chouri. Having to hide in dark cellars most nights wasn’t a choice either.
      The only thing I’m blinded with is the fear, which you are accusing me of choosing, Chouri.
      I’ve said this many times, and will say it again; I do not belong to any party in Lebanon. None of the parties are good enough for my loyalty. You always mix up my support for people’s right to resist and defend their land, with supporting HA. I supported the resistance before HA was conceived. Though no one deny that it was not for them, the south could not have been liberated we need to respect that.
      I have nothing in common with HA’ ideology, non whatsoever, I have nothing in common with religious people altogether.
      I’m not religious, nor do I like religious people or organized religion. I truly despise all religious people, but I recognize it’s their choice, and their right.
      I grew up in the south, with my fellow southerners who happened to be Christians. We went to school together, we ate together, and we had sleep over at our homes.
      I never put my sect or my religion first. I never did, and never will. It’s unfortunate that people will judge you by the area you came from and always associate you with what ever they see in that area. Would it be fair to judge every maronite in Lebanon as a phalange or LF supporter? I don’t think so.
      I realize that the discussions that take place a t this forum, brings out things in us that could be misunderstood, Especially ,when some guys start their sectarian thing.
      Unfortunately , being a southerner becomes not only a shiia , but a HA, Being from the shouf area, makes you a druze and a jumblat supporter, being from Bcheri makes You a Geagea or LF supporter.
      I KNOW IT IS NOT RIGHT OR FAIR. , but this is how it is at this site. I’m contemplating leaving this forum altogether.
      BTW, last week you asked me a question , but you never responded. I think my post should have answered the questions you are asking me now., lol
      Maybe I should not have responded .lol

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    Prophet,

    If you put lebanon first you will not but your sect first. People from the south choose fear instead of love of their fellow lebanese. Although you keep accusing criminal ( i don’t agree to call them criminal put that is beside the point) such as geagea berri jumblat. Your blinded love of hez don’t make you see the destruction path of hezbollah for first your sect and second your nation. You keep blaming other for the present situation in lebanon, because it give you an illusion of protection. But the day you gonna realize that unity include the south it could be late because your opinion to support Iran Syria and hez is puting lebanon to the path of civil strife. Don’t make the same mistake as we christian have done and other sect in lebanon.

    regards from a lebanese brother

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar

      Chouri,

      You got this one wrong brother.

      I didn’t choose fear, fear had been a permanent guest since the day we I was born.

      Having to go to first grade under the threat of bombs wasn’t a choice ,Chouri. Having to hide in dark cellars most nights wasn’t a choice either.

      The only thing I’m blinded with is the fear, which you are accusing me of choosing, Chouri.

      I’ve said this many times, and will say it again; I do not belong to any party in Lebanon. None of the parties are good enough for my loyalty. You always mix up my support for people’s right to resist and defend their land, with supporting HA. I supported the resistance before HA was conceived. Though no one deny that it was not for them, the south could not have been liberated we need to respect that.

      I have nothing in common with HA’ ideology, non whatsoever, I have nothing in common with religious people altogether.

      I’m not religious, nor do I like religious people or organized religion. I truly despise all religious people, but I recognize it’s their choice, and their right.

      I grew up in the south, with my fellow southerners who happened to be Christians. We went to school together, we ate together, and we had sleep over at our homes.

      I never put my sect or my religion first. I never did, and never will. It’s unfortunate that people will judge you by the area you came from and always associate you with what ever they see in that area. Would it be fair to judge every maronite in Lebanon as a phalange or LF supporter? I don’t think so.

      I realize that the discussions that take place a t this forum, brings out things in us that could be misunderstood, Especially ,when some guys start their sectarian thing.

      Unfortunately , being a southerner becomes not only a shiia , but a HA, Being from the shouf area, makes you a druze and a jumblat supporter, being from Bcheri makes You a Geagea or LF supporter.

      I KNOW IT IS NOT RIGHT OR FAIR. , but this is how it is at this site. I’m contemplating leaving this forum altogether.

      BTW, last week you asked me a question , but you never responded. I think my post should have answered the questions you are asking me now., lol

  10. Hezboolla are a persian army, and Irãn will fight against Israel whit lebanese blood.
    In 2.006, Irãn dident shot one single scud in Israel !!!!!!
    Whay did not help Lebanon ??????
    This is the “best friend” that lebanon have ?????
    Iran did not care about lebanese blood,is just more one front to fight Israel like Gaza.

  11. Hezboolla are a persian army, and Irãn will fight against Israel whit lebanese blood.
    In 2.006, Irãn dident shot one single scud in Israel !!!!!!
    Whay did not help Lebanon ??????
    This is the “best friend” that lebanon have ?????
    Iran did not care about lebanese blood,is just more one front to fight Israel like Gaza.

  12.  Avatar

    Hezboolla are a persian army, and Irãn will fight against Israel whit lebanese blood.
    In 2.006, Irãn dident shot one single scud in Israel !!!!!!
    Whay did not help Lebanon ??????
    This is the “best friend” that lebanon have ?????
    Iran did not care about lebanese blood,is just more one front to fight Israel like Gaza.

  13. Hezboolla is a persian army.
    Iran fight against Lebanon whit lebanese bllod,not iranian bllod.
    Whay in 2.006 in Lebanon war, Iran did not shot one single scud in Israel ????
    Just whatch the war,like some one whatch TV ?????
    Whay them dond shot 1.000 scuds from Teerã to Tel Aviv ??????
    Just shot by hezboolla in Lebanon ????
    This is courage ?????

  14.  Avatar

    Hezboolla is a persian army.
    Iran fight against Lebanon whit lebanese bllod,not iranian bllod.
    Whay in 2.006 in Lebanon war, Iran did not shot one single scud in Israel ????
    Just whatch the war,like some one whatch TV ?????
    Whay them dond shot 1.000 scuds from Teerã to Tel Aviv ??????
    Just shot by hezboolla in Lebanon ????
    This is courage ?????

  15. Al_Amriki Avatar

    Alright, I’m not Lebanese. I’m an American who reads these websites to inform himself about current events.

    You guys seem to be using “pale” in an interesting context that I’m not sure I understand. Is it some kind of derogatory slur towards Syrians?

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      They mean Palestinians and I hope it is not like a Paki. People should stop using it because with time it will evolve to a derogatory format.

    2. Hannibal Avatar

      They mean Palestinians and I hope it is not like a Paki. People should stop using it because with time it will evolve to a derogatory format.

  16.  Avatar

    Alright, I’m not Lebanese. I’m an American who reads these websites to inform himself about current events.

    You guys seem to be using “pale” in an interesting context that I’m not sure I understand. Is it some kind of derogatory slur towards Syrians?

    1. They mean Palestinians and I hope it is not like a Paki. People should stop using it because with time it will evolve to a derogatory format.

  17. This is how much importance is placed on this topic, Ahmadinejad visits Lebanon, 3 days and 37 comments. said too much already.

  18. This is how much importance is placed on this topic, Ahmadinejad visits Lebanon, 3 days and 37 comments. said too much already.

  19. Go to hell ahmad

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    Go to hell ahmad

  21.  Avatar

    Go to hell ahmad

  22. Everybody —

    First off – I’m a Lebanese American — before I’m labled as ignorant, etc. etc. … I do know enough to understand that the situation is extremely complex, both historically, politically, and religiously. So, I guess if I know that I dont’ know everything, that counts for something.

    Here’s my questions, and excuse me for appearing simplistic, but:

    1. Patriotism — Do any ‘sects’ or factions regarding being “Lebanese” as more important than the sect itself?

    2. Israel — As an American, I admittedly get a biased news source, but from my viewpoint, it appears Israel only wants security, and has no interest in annexing Lebanon or it’s South. (Shebaa Farms / 1967 stuff excepted). So, in what capacity are they an enemy to Lebanon? Was the war, shelling, and subsequent occupation to maintain security and stop Hezbollah from launching rockets, or was it to “occupy”? (as if that ‘s some permanent desirable state for anyone). Again, the current “occupation” in Iraq and Afghanistan by America is not what anyone here wants (republican or democrat) … we only want to not see chaos happen, breed extemists bent on killing and destroying America.

    3. Confessionalism — the UN mandated system of government has enshrined sectarianism as key to Lebanon’s political landscape. Has there EVER been any credible alternative to this system proposed by someone who is Lebanese (and not Syrian, Iranian, etc.)

    4. Why does Hezbollah have to be armed? (goes back to my Israeli point above) … what are they resisting? Even if Israel had intentions of attacking, dominating, occupying Lebanon … what is the real reason the “resisting” function can’t go to the Lebanese Army?

    Thanks for your comments … I really enjoy the discussion on this blog … I definitely learn more here than from other, more traditional news sources.

    1. Leborigine Avatar

      skn22,
      The answers from my point of view to your comments above will definitely be debated as every Lebanese has a different theory, some are logical and some aren’t;

      1. All sects favour their religion over their country in Lebanon. Only a few individuals, including myself will put Lebanon ahead of my religion, race, political party and alliances. Simply, not many give a $hit about Lebanon and that is the honest truth. If you go to Lebanon, you know staright away if you are in a muslim suburb, a xtian suburb, a druze suburb, an HA suburb, a LF suburb, an amal suburb etc. This is in Beirut, so you can imagine what the villages are like. If Lebanon came first before their religion, then all of Beirut will be the same. I live in Melbourne and you live in some city in the US, as many Lebanese do, we seem to get along with 102 different races and cultures, but in Lebanon, they cannot even get along with each other despite being the same religion or race. In US or Australia, we are all either Australians or Americans, not xtian, hindu, muslim, buddha; in Lebanon people will say, ana maseehi, ana dirzi, ana 3ounee, ana marada, ana 2owmee, ana wa ana wa ana….Hardly anyone says an Libneni to each other.

      2. From my point of view, Israel came into Lebanon to defend its northern border from Arafat in 1982, because we as Lebanese failed to control the palestinians in our own country as a result of the civil war. It gets much more complicated than that. If Israel came in and cleaned up and left, then that would have been ok, but they came in, occupied, stole our water and caused a lot of atrocities to the Southerners which is not acceptable and created a lot of enemies. In more extreme cases, like the SSNP, HA and left wing parties, Israel is an enemy regardles if it came into Lebanon or not. These parties are fighting for the rights of the palestinians and the Arab race as a whole. In the process, they have destroyed our beloved country, and no one else is willing to do the same. The other countries have signed fragile peace treaties while Lebanon gets destroyed and is still paying the price for it.

      3. The system has been setup by foreign powers and manipulated by regional powers. Lebanese have never sat on a round table and discussed or setup a government on their own without external interference. I personally think that there is an alternative system, but as I mentioned above, there has to be fresh people and religion has to be dismissed or seperated from the state.

      4.Hezbollah does not have to be armed. Iran & syria wants them armed for their political benefits. I think that if the Lebanese were left alone, HA would have joined the army by now and would have been given previleges as a resistance, but commanded by the LAF. Others here will argue that and give you some rhetorical reasons as to why they have to be armed. Good for them, I won’t jump to conclusions.

      Hope I have given you some insight, but believe me, its not over. You will receive a lot of comments with very colourful points of view.

    2. Leborigine Avatar

      skn22,
      The answers from my point of view to your comments above will definitely be debated as every Lebanese has a different theory, some are logical and some aren’t;

      1. All sects favour their religion over their country in Lebanon. Only a few individuals, including myself will put Lebanon ahead of my religion, race, political party and alliances. Simply, not many give a $hit about Lebanon and that is the honest truth. If you go to Lebanon, you know staright away if you are in a muslim suburb, a xtian suburb, a druze suburb, an HA suburb, a LF suburb, an amal suburb etc. This is in Beirut, so you can imagine what the villages are like. If Lebanon came first before their religion, then all of Beirut will be the same. I live in Melbourne and you live in some city in the US, as many Lebanese do, we seem to get along with 102 different races and cultures, but in Lebanon, they cannot even get along with each other despite being the same religion or race. In US or Australia, we are all either Australians or Americans, not xtian, hindu, muslim, buddha; in Lebanon people will say, ana maseehi, ana dirzi, ana 3ounee, ana marada, ana 2owmee, ana wa ana wa ana….Hardly anyone says an Libneni to each other.

      2. From my point of view, Israel came into Lebanon to defend its northern border from Arafat in 1982, because we as Lebanese failed to control the palestinians in our own country as a result of the civil war. It gets much more complicated than that. If Israel came in and cleaned up and left, then that would have been ok, but they came in, occupied, stole our water and caused a lot of atrocities to the Southerners which is not acceptable and created a lot of enemies. In more extreme cases, like the SSNP, HA and left wing parties, Israel is an enemy regardles if it came into Lebanon or not. These parties are fighting for the rights of the palestinians and the Arab race as a whole. In the process, they have destroyed our beloved country, and no one else is willing to do the same. The other countries have signed fragile peace treaties while Lebanon gets destroyed and is still paying the price for it.

      3. The system has been setup by foreign powers and manipulated by regional powers. Lebanese have never sat on a round table and discussed or setup a government on their own without external interference. I personally think that there is an alternative system, but as I mentioned above, there has to be fresh people and religion has to be dismissed or seperated from the state.

      4.Hezbollah does not have to be armed. Iran & syria wants them armed for their political benefits. I think that if the Lebanese were left alone, HA would have joined the army by now and would have been given previleges as a resistance, but commanded by the LAF. Others here will argue that and give you some rhetorical reasons as to why they have to be armed. Good for them, I won’t jump to conclusions.

      Hope I have given you some insight, but believe me, its not over. You will receive a lot of comments with very colourful points of view.

  23. Everybody —

    First off – I’m a Lebanese American — before I’m labled as ignorant, etc. etc. … I do know enough to understand that the situation is extremely complex, both historically, politically, and religiously. So, I guess if I know that I dont’ know everything, that counts for something.

    Here’s my questions, and excuse me for appearing simplistic, but:

    1. Patriotism — Do any ‘sects’ or factions regarding being “Lebanese” as more important than the sect itself?

    2. Israel — As an American, I admittedly get a biased news source, but from my viewpoint, it appears Israel only wants security, and has no interest in annexing Lebanon or it’s South. (Shebaa Farms / 1967 stuff excepted). So, in what capacity are they an enemy to Lebanon? Was the war, shelling, and subsequent occupation to maintain security and stop Hezbollah from launching rockets, or was it to “occupy”? (as if that ‘s some permanent desirable state for anyone). Again, the current “occupation” in Iraq and Afghanistan by America is not what anyone here wants (republican or democrat) … we only want to not see chaos happen, breed extemists bent on killing and destroying America.

    3. Confessionalism — the UN mandated system of government has enshrined sectarianism as key to Lebanon’s political landscape. Has there EVER been any credible alternative to this system proposed by someone who is Lebanese (and not Syrian, Iranian, etc.)

    4. Why does Hezbollah have to be armed? (goes back to my Israeli point above) … what are they resisting? Even if Israel had intentions of attacking, dominating, occupying Lebanon … what is the real reason the “resisting” function can’t go to the Lebanese Army?

    Thanks for your comments … I really enjoy the discussion on this blog … I definitely learn more here than from other, more traditional news sources.

    1.  Avatar

      skn22,

      The answers from my point of view to your comments above will definitely be debated as every Lebanese has a different theory, some are logical and some aren’t;

      1. All sects favour their religion over their country in Lebanon. Only a few individuals, including myself will put Lebanon ahead of my religion, race, political party and alliances. Simply, not many give a $hit about Lebanon and that is the honest truth. If you go to Lebanon, you know staright away if you are in a muslim suburb, a xtian suburb, a druze suburb, an HA suburb, a LF suburb, an amal suburb etc. This is in Beirut, so you can imagine what the villages are like. If Lebanon came first before their religion, then all of Beirut will be the same. I live in Melbourne and you live in some city in the US, as many Lebanese do, we seem to get along with 102 different races and cultures, but in Lebanon, they cannot even get along with each other despite being the same religion or race. In US or Australia, we are all either Australians or Americans, not xtian, hindu, muslim, buddha; in Lebanon people will say, ana maseehi, ana dirzi, ana 3ounee, ana marada, ana 2owmee, ana wa ana wa ana….Hardly anyone says an Libneni to each other.

      2. From my point of view, Israel came into Lebanon to defend its northern border from Arafat in 1982, because we as Lebanese failed to control the palestinians in our own country as a result of the civil war. It gets much more complicated than that. If Israel came in and cleaned up and left, then that would have been ok, but they came in, occupied, stole our water and caused a lot of atrocities to the Southerners which is not acceptable and created a lot of enemies. In more extreme cases, like the SSNP, HA and left wing parties, Israel is an enemy regardles if it came into Lebanon or not. These parties are fighting for the rights of the palestinians and the Arab race as a whole. In the process, they have destroyed our beloved country, and no one else is willing to do the same. The other countries have signed fragile peace treaties while Lebanon gets destroyed and is still paying the price for it.

      3. The system has been setup by foreign powers and manipulated by regional powers. Lebanese have never sat on a round table and discussed or setup a government on their own without external interference. I personally think that there is an alternative system, but as I mentioned above, there has to be fresh people and religion has to be dismissed or seperated from the state.

      4.Hezbollah does not have to be armed. Iran & syria wants them armed for their political benefits. I think that if the Lebanese were left alone, HA would have joined the army by now and would have been given previleges as a resistance, but commanded by the LAF. Others here will argue that and give you some rhetorical reasons as to why they have to be armed. Good for them, I won’t jump to conclusions.

      Hope I have given you some insight, but believe me, its not over. You will receive a lot of comments with very colourful points of view.

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