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US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned Syria on Monday against taking destabilizing measures in either Iraq or Lebanon, during talks with her Syrian counterpart Walid Muallem in New York.

“The secretary was very direct and making clear, both in the context of Lebanon and Iraq that we discourage any efforts to undermine the stability of either country,” State Department spokesman Philip Crowley said.

Despite a gradual warming of relations between Washington and Damascus, Crowley underlined “concerns about Syria’s activities inside Lebanon and its relationship with Hezbollah.”

Iraq and Syria last week restored diplomatic relations after a year-long row in the aftermath of massive truck bombs in Baghdad.

The two countries agreed to exchange diplomats after both capitals recalled their envoys last year.

Clinton and Muallem met on the sidelines of the General Assembly in New York in just the second meeting between the two ministers since March 2009, when they talked briefly in Egypt during a donors conference for the Gaza Strip.

During her New York discussions with Muallem, Clinton “affirmed our objective of comprehensive peace in the Middle East which includes the Syrian track,” Crowley said.

“Foreign Minister Muallem was very interested in pursuing that,” he added.

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39 responses to “US warns Syria against destabilizing Lebanon, Iraq”

  1. Paolo Porsia Avatar
    Paolo Porsia

    if you do the “wild side” with people like you can convince that you’re serious

  2. Paolo Porsia Avatar
    Paolo Porsia

    if you do the “wild side” with people like you can convince that you’re serious

  3. josephphd Avatar
    josephphd

    DEAR HILLARY WE LOVE YOU AND WE LOVE AMERICA AND THE THE DEMOCRACY AND THE FREEDOM WE ENJOY HERE IN THE STATE
    YOUR ARE TOO WHOLY AND HIGH CLASS TO SIT DOWN WITH THIS LOW CLASS DOG MUALLAM ;HOW DID YOU LET HIM IN HERE
    HE IS A COLD BLOODED CRIMINALS HE KILLED THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN LEBANON BY TheWAY BE CAREFULL THIS PEOPLE COULD NOT BE TRUSTED
    AND WHEN YOU DEAL WITH HIM ALWAYS SWING THE STICK AT HIM AND WHIP HIM IF HE DOES,NT DO WHAT YOU TELL HIM TO DO AND BECAUSE WHIPPING IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE THIS COWARD UNDERSTAND;
    AND NEVER TRUST muallem to honor an agreement because he is a criminal and a crook ;A LIER AND COULD NOT BE TRUSTED ,and N YOUR FACE HE MAY SMILE BUT WHEN HE GETS A SMALL CHANCE HE WILL SCREW THE US OVER
    ITS NOT LIKE THE LEBANEESE PEOPLE THEY LOVE YOU WITH ALL THEIR HEART AND THEY WILL NEVER DO ANYTHING OR CONSPIRE TO HURT AMERICA OR americans ; because they CIVILIZED PEOPLE WITH RICH CULTURE AND HIGH DUCATIONSO BEAWARE OF THIS SYRIAN UNTRUSTWORTHY DOG MUALLEM AND WHEN YOU SIT WITH HIM AT THE SAME TABLE YOU ARE CONSIDERING HIM HUMAN ; BUT HE IS A BARBERIC ANIMAL

    1. JadM Avatar
      JadM

      Poor Joseph, you think the USA is waiting for you to give them advice and guidelines on how to deal with Syria….LOL
      The USA has made people like Saddam, and trained Bin Laden and other leaders of countries and organizations deemed to become in their eyes TERRORISTS. You are such a kid

    2. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      I am at odd how a PhD wielding Joseph carrying his credentials as a flag of “know it all” keeps typing in CAPITAL letters which reflects either SCREAMING at all of us or whispering “pure ignorance” of Internet “parlant”.
      On another note, are you really serious when addressing Hillary directly? Believe you and me she won’t be reading your comments even if you wrap what you are saying in a bouquet of flowers and send it directly to her address.
      As far as your comment, although I agree wholeheartedly with you on the intent of the Syrian regime I am at odd with you as far as the “love affair” between the Lebanese people and the “U.S. administration” you refer to. I think you forgot that it was Bush “senior” who gave the green light to the Syrians to invade Lebanon when general Aoun (who since has lost his mind) declared war on them for exchange of Syrian support in the coalition to free Kuwait from Saddam’s army.
      I think you also are oblivious to the “true” history of the Lebanese civil war which was instigated by Kissinger (who was working for the U.S. administration) and other U.S. and Israeli agencies (until they reversed course) to give Lebanon to the PLO and allies as a substitute state for Palestine and the latter miscalculations on the Christian Lebanese resolve to stay put , and live and die, in their ancestors land. If you, for one second believe, that they won’t sell you and sell the entire Lebanese people for a drop of oil think again. Heck, they sold their own army’s blood for oil why won’t they sell yours. This is not a personal attack, as I may be more leaning on your side more so than on others’, however, may I suggest you stick to mathematics? (I am really clueless in that field may be you can teach me some) lol

  4. Avatar
    Anonymous

    DEAR HILLARY WELOVE YOU AND WE LOVE AMERICA AND THE THE DEMOCRACY AND THE FREEDOM WE ENJOY HERE IN THE STATE

    YOUR ARE TOO WHOLY AND HIGH CLASS TO SIT DOWN WITH THIS LOW CLASS DOG MUALLAM HOW DID YOU LET HIM IN HERE

    HE IS A COLD BLOODED CRIMINALS HE KILLED THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN LEBANON BY TE WAY BE CAREFULL THIS PEOPLE COULD NOT BE TRUSTED

    AND WHEN YOU DEAL WITH HIM ALWAYS SWING THE STICK AT HIM AND WHIP HIM IF HE DO,NT UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WHIPPING IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE THIS COWARD UNDERSTAND

    1. JadM Avatar
      JadM

      Poor Joseph, you think the USA is waiting for you to give them advice and guidelines on how to deal with Syria….LOL

      The USA has made people like Saddam, and trained Bin Laden and other leaders of countries and organizations deemed to become in their eyes TERRORISTS. You are such a kid

    2. Walid Khouri Avatar
      Walid Khouri

      I am at odd how a PhD wielding Joseph carrying his credentials as a flag of “know it all” keeps typing in CAPITAL letters which reflects either SCREAMING at all of us or whispering “pure ignorance” of Internet “parlant”.
      On another note, are you really serious when addressing Hillary directly? Believe you and me she won’t be reading your comments even if you wrap what you are saying in a bouquet of flowers and send it directly to her address.
      As far as your comment, although I agree wholeheartedly with you on the intent of the Syrian regime I am at odd with you as far as the “love affair” between the Lebanese people and the “U.S. administration” you refer to. I think you forgot that it was Bush “senior” who gave the green light to the Syrians to invade Lebanon when general Aoun (who since has lost his mind) declared war on them for exchange of Syrian support in the coalition to free Kuwait from Saddam’s army.
      I think you also are oblivious to the “true” history of the Lebanese civil war which was instigated by Kissinger (who was working for the U.S. administration) and other U.S. and Israeli agencies (until they reversed course) to give Lebanon to the PLO and allies as a substitute state for Palestine and the latter miscalculations on the Christian Lebanese resolve to stay put , and live and die, in their ancestors land. If you, for one second believe, that they won’t sell you and sell the entire Lebanese people for a drop of oil think again. Heck, they sold their own army’s blood for oil why won’t they sell yours. This is not a personal attack, as I may be more leaning on your side more so than on others’, however, may I suggest you stick to mathematics? (I am really clueless in that field may be you can teach me some) lol

  5. josephphd Avatar
    josephphd

    http://www.truelebanon.bravehost.com/pics/syrpics-slideshow.html
    JSUT A REMINDER

    1. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      You do not have to remind us Joseph. I lived it! I was in the middle of it. Nobody is innocent BUT the civilians themselves who paid the price. Lebanon’s massacres will live in our conscience for centuries to come and the healing of those deep wounds will take a long time. We were sucked into a religious genocide that was utterly disgusting. We, the Lebanese, in all our forms and shapes and sects and differences and similarities lived the REAL holocaust. The problem is that our leaders are taking us back there and we have everyone to thank for that specially HA for not wanting a country and playing the international card. They were used as a hand to eliminate Hariri and others and now they are left to dry in the winds of big players and by the Syrians who are again little by little shifting strategy and disowning them. Lebanon will always pay the price of le3bit el oumam as long as we look at our fellow Lebanese as enemies just because of their sects. Gebran said “I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit.” I gladly will add “I love you even if you do not know how to bow, kneel or pray as you will always be my brother whether you believe or not”. Now I hope the Lebanese people grow up above the petty stupidity and prepare for a scarce future by planning with sustainability in mind because when the food and water and energy shortages will hit there will be no hiding for anyone whether you are Christian, Moslem, Jew or atheist. Hunger and thirst has no religion… and it has begun.

  6. Hannibal Avatar
    Hannibal

    So foreign ministry of Syria Mr. Sharon “look-alike” Muallem is OK to pursue talks with Israel and HA is not calling him traitor or a sell-out BUT God forbid Lebanese or even the concerned Palestinians have direct talk with the Israelis. Double standards and lies.

    1. kareemthehippy Avatar
      kareemthehippy

      ya 3ayb eshoooooom! Hahaha!

  7. Walid Khouri Avatar
    Walid Khouri

    So foreign ministry of Syria Mr. Sharon “look-alike” Muallem is OK to pursue talks with Israel and HA is not calling him traitor or a sell-out BUT God forbid Lebanese or even the concerned Palestinians have direct talk with the Israelis. Double standards and lies.

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      ya 3ayb eshoooooom! Hahaha!

  8. BigSami Avatar
    BigSami

    It’s about time people realize that no one listens to Ms. Hillary! Headline a few days ago in the WSJ states: Hillary Clinton went to Brazil to beg support for sanctions against Iran and came away empty handed. Now the UN is counting on Brazil, which is friendly with America and Iran, to lead nuclear diplomacy.As usual….the bark is louder than the bite!

    Also worth reading Los Angeles Times article http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-ml-lebanon-political-crisis,0,5316925.story

  9. Avatar
    Anonymous

    It’s about time people realize that no one listens to Ms. Hillary! Headline a few days ago in the WSJ states: Hillary Clinton went to Brazil to beg support for sanctions against Iran and came away empty handed. Now the UN is counting on Brazil, which is friendly with America and Iran, to lead nuclear diplomacy.

  10. guss043 Avatar
    guss043

    Mrs Clinton , all what the free Lebanese want from you or USA in general and other European countries just to draw a red line that is the Lebanese border with Syria and tell the Syrian /Assad regime under any circumstances you will be permitted to cross the border not even if the Lebanese president asked you for it , once you guarantee that forever the Free Lebanese are able to handle to Syrian agents inside and the Iranian army division inside Lebanon.
    As the Annahar reported today one of the MP in Lebanese parliament who actually is a representative of Iran by the name Ali Ammar accuse the Lebanese MP M Fatfat by being an agent for Israel, the Iranian party is escalating the matter to a very high proportion in order to cancel the International Court them and the other parasites that are directed by the Syrian regime . And yesterday another Iranian agent MP named Mousawi threatened for the second time that they will use forceand invade the airport whenever the feel.
    So here is the situation now: we don’t have a verdict and the Iranian party is behaving that they’re guilty and threatening to kill,invade etc…., let’s assume they are really guilty they will burn the country and try their best to occupy it with the help of their Syrian agents in Lebanon Aoun, Wahhad,Karami, Saad the son in Saida and Arselan and maybe Joumblatt ,who will give at minimum the political cover for the Persian army division.
    The Free Lebanese have few options :
    1_ Accept the cancellation of the court and the result will be the same as the military attack if not worst, you will save the building and lives , but the Iranian party and all the other Syrian agents will have transform this country to an Iranian/Syrian satellite or mini Iran ,and the state constitution will cease to exist and we will live with the the Iranian spokesman in Lebanon Mr Hasan Nasrallah dictating to us how to govern on daily basis by some TV speeches similar to the Mullah style or Wilayat el Fakih as it is Iran .
    Second option is to face the iranian party and all the Syrian agents in Lebanon with political means first and later with arms and resistance if it is necessary as we are closing in to this option very fast!!!!
    That’s why we need the USA and he free world to take care of Syria and prevent them from entering our land ever , even send planes to bomb their troops with a UN resolution, it is really needed to threaten Syrian and make them understand as they have very thick brain !!! , if you guarantee that and we will take care of the Iranian party ,it will take time but we will finish with them eventually , and this is how :
    If the Iranian party succeed and invade few areas and occupy it he will need logistics to stay and they in those areas and easy to keep control he will need need over 100,000 person , and without help of Syria and their heavy arms and tanks ,they are easy target on the street , it will be impossible for them to control every strategic and military area , and they don’t have this force , also they will not succeed to control the army even if they have many followers and spies inside the Lebanese army , if they try that with the army , many of the Lebanese army personnel will not sit watching , plus eventually the free Lebanese will get arms , as it is now if we want to count by religious confessions ,the Shiites are 28 % and they are not all fighters, and the other who could side with the Iranian party from different confessions they will not exceed 5 % at most , so we have 68 % or more of the population against , and assuming many individuals have small arms we’ll be able on daily basis to defend ourselves and make their life miserably and very dangerous ( just in my area every family has more than 1 machine gun ,that’s all what you need ) kill few and make their life a hell and eventually politically they will lose as no one in the free world is willing to see another Mullah country , as the west well know if it wasn’t to Khomeini and Iranian Islamic revolution , we will not be where we are , in regard to terrorism Iran was the cause to the rise of the Sunni fanaticism and the rise in terrorism in the Arabic world, so just help us Keep the assassin and murderer or the butcher Assad and his scumbag Mouallem out of our life , fith the Iranian party is not a big deal , there is no escape of it , Iran want our Lebanon at any price !!!!!!! to use as tool for their nuclear bargain ship and Syrian regime are is hopeless without Lebanon , the Golan Height doesn’t interest them at all , there is no money from it !!!!! The only scary part is our president who was brought by the Syrian and could play a role in bringing them back (that we don’t know),he’s very weak and shrewd )

  11. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Mrs Clinton , all what the free Lebanese want from you or USA in general and other European countries just to draw a red line that is the Lebanese border with Syria and tell the Syrian /Assad regime under any circumstances you will be permitted to cross the border not even if the Lebanese president asked you for it , once you guarantee that forever the Free Lebanese are able to handle to Syrian agents inside and the Iranian army division inside Lebanon.
    As the Annahar reported today one of the MP in Lebanese parliament who actually is a representative of Iran by the name Ali Ammar accuse the Lebanese MP M Fatfat by being an agent for Israel, the Iranian party is escalating the matter to a very high proportion in order to cancel the International Court them and the other parasites that are directed by the Syrian regime . And yesterday another Iranian agent MP named Mousawi threatened for the second time that they will use forceand invade the airport whenever the feel.
    So here is the situation now: we don’t have a verdict and the Iranian party is behaving that they’re guilty and threatening to kill,invade etc…., let’s assume they are really guilty they will burn the country and try their best to occupy it with the help of their Syrian agents in Lebanon Aoun, Wahhad,Karami, Saad the son in Saida and Arselan and maybe Joumblatt ,who will give at minimum the political cover for the Persian army division.
    The Free Lebanese have few options :
    1_ Accept the cancellation of the court and the result will be the same as the military attack if not worst, you will save the building and lives , but the Iranian party and all the other Syrian agents will have transform this country to an Iranian/Syrian satellite or mini Iran ,and the state constitution will cease to exist and we will live with the the Iranian spokesman in Lebanon Mr Hasan Nasrallah dictating to us how to govern on daily basis by some TV speeches similar to the Mullah style or Wilayat el Fakih as it is Iran .
    Second option is to face the iranian party and all the Syrian agents in Lebanon with political means first and later with arms and resistance if it is necessary as we are closing in to this option very fast!!!!
    That’s why we need the USA and he free world to take care of Syria and prevent them from entering our land ever , even send planes to bomb their troops with a UN resolution, it is really needed to threaten Syrian and make them understand as they have very thick brain !!! , if you guarantee that and we will take care of the Iranian party ,it will take time but we will finish with them eventually , and this is how :
    If the Iranian party succeed and invade few areas and occupy it he will need logistics to stay and they in those areas and easy to keep control he will need need over 100,000 person , and without help of Syria and their heavy arms and tanks ,they are easy target on the street , it will be impossible for them to control every strategic and military area , and they don’t have this force , also they will not succeed to control the army even if they have many followers and spies inside the Lebanese army , if they try that with the army , many of the Lebanese army personnel will not sit watching , plus eventually the free Lebanese will get arms , as it is now if we want to count by religious confessions ,the Shiites are 28 % and they are not all fighters, and the other who could side with the Iranian party from different confessions they will not exceed 5 % at most , so we have 68 % or more of the population against , and assuming many individuals have small arms we’ll be able on daily basis to defend ourselves and make their life miserably and very dangerous ( just in my area every family has more than 1 machine gun ,that’s all what you need ) kill few and make their life a hell and eventually politically they will lose as no one in the free world is willing to see another Mullah country , as the west well know if it wasn’t to Khomeini and Iranian Islamic revolution , we will not be where we are , in regard to terrorism Iran was the cause to the rise of the Sunni fanaticism and the rise in terrorism in the Arabic world, so just help us Keep the assassin and murderer or the butcher Assad and his scumbag Mouallem out of our life , fith the Iranian party is not a big deal , there is no escape of it , Iran want our Lebanon at any price !!!!!!! to use as tool for their nuclear bargain ship and Syrian regime are is hopeless without Lebanon , the Golan Height doesn’t interest them at all , there is no money from it !!!!! The only scary part is our president who was brought by the Syrian and could play a role in bringing them back (that we don’t know),he’s very weak and shrewd )

  12. josephphd Avatar
    josephphd

    to walid khouri
    mr walid there are too many issues that you do,nt understand ;obviously you believe what you hear on tv or radio
    this is kind of naiive ; i do not believe that the us is to blame for what happend to aoun ;first of all aounn was a big looser and a trator ;i want to ask a you aquestion: which was worst that had happened in lebanon was it the syrian army attacking the lebaneese people or the lebaneese army attacking the LF and lebaneese people ?
    this tratotor that you trying to defend aoun has orderd attacks against the lebaneese christians and killed so many innocent lebaneese civilians and destroyed lebaneese cities and towns he was lebanon worst ennemy within; and was a bigger ennemy to lebanon than syria was
    aoun has been a conspirator against lebanon and the lebaneese people all along since he ever took office
    as for the syrian they invaded lebanon on thier own actually they just went in the country and there was no document or official order supporting their entry;they just invaded lebanon
    as far as the us to give the phalestinian lebanon where did you get this story from?
    do you have proof ? no
    do you have documents , evidence or whatsoever no?
    this was speculations and rumors ;if ant to be lebanon president you need to be smarter than that or i would never vote for you …
    look actually the phalestinian problem was created by the phalestinians themslves ; because they refuse to accept the united nations decison when divided into two states
    and the fact that 2 millions jews migrated there so fast after the hollocoast of germany creaed unrest and fighting in that area ,so in 1948 united nations declared two state israel and palestine so they can maintain peace in that area and resolve the violence problem
    israel accepted there state immediatley , the palestinians refused their half and they ost the war they escaped to lebanon then your problem in lebanon began
    how could you blame the us for all of that what happened ; the us was not involved neither had caused these problems
    any way i believe the us care for lebanon it was the only civilized democratic nation in that part of the world but the us have thier own problems they have to take care of americans first but the do help freinds and allies ; but also walid
    you have to make an effort and take care of your own country and you cannot sleep and sit on your ass and be lazy ; and expect the us to do miracle for you ; yes the us will take care of you but you also have to do your part;
    < i believe if it was,nt for the us the christians will not survive in the middle east or any other minorities because to the us evryone faith is acceptable regardless of what part of the world they live
    long live the us and god bless america

    1. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      First, I got you to type in lowercase and stop SHOUTING. That is a start. Now we have to work on your spelling. If you look at the words underlined in red and right click them, the correct spelling will be provided to you, for free (a la U.S.), by the browser spell-checking system.
      Now let us address your political incorrectness and review some history facts with you.
      As far as Aoun is concerned, I never disagreed with you. Using the army against your people is the crime of the century as much as having militia men shooting at their army. It happens that I had relatives, heck even cousins and brothers at both side of this equation shooting at each others. However, living it and witnessing it, the thugs of the LF were as much to blame for the disenchantment “in the streets” as the thugs of HA when they defied the rule of law. Nobody in Lebanon is innocent. The ONLY reason why so many Christians support Aoun today is (in my opinion) NOT because he makes sound judgement neither because he sold out but because “the street” was fed up with the LF actions. Bashir himself had many speeches trying to reign them in and stop them from violating the law and the people.
      For the Kissinger story of substituting Lebanon for Palestine it can be found in Kissinger’s memoirs (a three tome volume) and as of recently Dory Chamoun revealed it from his late father the statement “mashrou3 Kissinger” and spoke at length about it. The U.S. administration had begun to question Lebanon’s value as a political asset beginning in 1958 and confirmed its belief in the inherent precariousness of the country in 1969. The idea was already floating to the fact that Christian Lebanese would integrate well in Westerns country and their displacement can have the potential to bring peace to Israel for having Lebanon and part of palestine as one country substitute for the Palestinian question. That formula was derailed largely by the stubbornness and the resolve of the Christians to stay, fight and die. When the war was at its zenith, and specifically between March and April 1976, Kissinger and the State Department issued statements describing the Syrian role in Lebanon as “constructive”. If this wasn’t enough proof for you that the U.S. will sell you out “be eshrit baesle” maybe you should look at the “understanding” that senior Bush had with senior Assad to let his hand free in Lebanon for Assad’s support against Saddam. Why do you think that Israeli jets did not intercept the Syrian jets and for the first time ever Syrian jets bombarded “yarze”. The Syrians were given the green light by the U.S.
      As to the Palestinian problem I correct you that it was created by the Arabs themselves and specifically Jordan and Egypt claiming at the U.N. that there is no Palestine and that the land belonged to Egypt (gaza) and Jordan (West Bank).
      As to kissing the ground of the U.S. I am leaving that for you.

      1. maria_h Avatar
        maria_h

        Walid, that was the most intelligent and classiest way to rip Jozeff a new bum hole…..well said 🙂

        1. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          Thanks I love you too Maria 🙂

      2. maria_h Avatar
        maria_h

        Walid, that was the most intelligent and classiest way to rip Jozeff a new bum hole…..well said 🙂

    2. JadM Avatar
      JadM

      Joseph,

      Aoun did do a lot of mistakes….like your freind Geagea, nobody is that innocent, most of our politicians have blood on their hands and unfortunately they still have idiots like you supporting them and claiming that they have never murdered in cold blood 100s maybe 1000s of Lebanese and even if you admit you will come up with a lame excuse that it is justified.

      Let me tell you something I would never killa a civilian even if he/she was the enemy, in other words I will never kill my enemy’s child, mother or wife as they are innocent…didn’t geagea kill innocent families?

      As for Aoun, his bad strategy lead to the slaughter of many families…so who is worst him or Geagea?

  13. Avatar
    Anonymous

    to walid khouri

    mr walid there are too many issues obsiovily you juts believe what you hear on tv or radio

    this is kind of naiive ; i do not believe that the us is to blame for what happend to aoun ;first of all aounn was a big looser and a trator i want to ask you which was worst event that had happened was it the syrian army attacking the lebaneese people or the lebaneese army attacking the lf and lebaneese people

    this tratotor that you trying to defend aoun has orderd attacks against the lebaneese christian and had destroyed and killed lebaneese people and areas he was the worst ennemy within

    he has been a conspirator against lebanon and the lebaneese all along since he ever took office

    as far as the syrian invaded lebanon they invaded lebanon on thier own actually they just went inn and no one told them and no one invited them they just invaded lebanon

    as far as the us to give the phalestinian lebanon where did you get this stupid story from?

    do you have proof ? no

    do you have documents , evidence or whatsoever no?

    this this speculation and just remeber if you want to be lebanon president you need to be smarter than that or i would never vote for you …

    look actually the phalestinian problem was created by the united nations and it was england who was te tool when they were controling phalitine they split it into two pieaces

    and the fact that 2 millions jews migrated there so fast after the hollocoast of germany crested unrest and fighting with the palestinians ;s0 yje united nation 1948 created two state israel and phalestine so they can solve the violence problem

    israel accepted there share immediatley the phalestinian refused and kept fighting eventually left out without a state because they refuse to take half and then after they lost the war they escaped to lebanon then your problem in lebanon began

    how could you blame the us for that happened it was completley out this

    any way i believe the us care for lebanon it was the only civilized democratic nation in that part of the world but the us have thier own problems they have to take care of americans first and they can they will help you nust they ca,nt baby sit your ass walid

    you have to make an effort and take care of your own ass and whenever the us is able to help you they will and you should always thank america and kiss its ground no matter what

    happened because if it was not for the us they wo,nt be any cristian left alive in the middle east or any other minorities

    1. Walid Khouri Avatar
      Walid Khouri

      First, I got you to type in lowercase and stop SHOUTING. That is a start. Now we have to work on your spelling. If you look at the words underlined in red and right click them, the correct spelling will be provided to you, for free (a la U.S.), by the browser spell-checking system.
      Now let us address your political incorrectness and review some history facts with you.
      As far as Aoun is concerned, I never disagreed with you. Using the army against your people is the crime of the century as much as having militia men shooting at their army. It happens that I had relatives, heck even cousins and brothers at both side of this equation shooting at each others. However, living it and witnessing it, the thugs of the LF were as much to blame for the disenchantment “in the streets” as the thugs of HA when they defied the rule of law. Nobody in Lebanon is innocent. The ONLY reason why so many Christians support Aoun today is (in my opinion) NOT because he makes sound judgement neither because he sold out but because “the street” was fed up with the LF actions. Bashir himself had many speeches trying to reign them in and stop them from violating the law and the people.
      For the Kissinger story of substituting Lebanon for Palestine it can be found in Kissinger’s memoirs (a three tome volume) and as of recently Dory Chamoun revealed it from his late father the statement “mashrou3 Kissinger” and spoke at length about it. The U.S. administration had begun to question Lebanon’s value as a political asset beginning in 1958 and confirmed its belief in the inherent precariousness of the country in 1969. The idea was already floating to the fact that Christian Lebanese would integrate well in Westerns country and their displacement can have the potential to bring peace to Israel for having Lebanon and part of palestine as one country substitute for the Palestinian question. That formula was derailed largely by the stubbornness and the resolve of the Christians to stay, fight and die. When the war was at its zenith, and specifically between March and April 1976, Kissinger and the State Department issued statements describing the Syrian role in Lebanon as “constructive”. If this wasn’t enough proof for you that the U.S. will sell you out “be eshrit baesle” maybe you should look at the “understanding” that senior Bush had with senior Assad to let his hand free in Lebanon for Assad’s support against Saddam. Why do you think that Israeli jets did not intercept the Syrian jets and for the first time ever Syrian jets bombarded “yarze”. The Syrians were given the green light by the U.S.
      As to the Palestinian problem I correct you that it was created by the Arabs themselves and specifically Jordan and Egypt claiming at the U.N. that there is no Palestine and that the land belonged to Egypt (gaza) and Jordan (West Bank).
      As to kissing the ground of the U.S. I am leaving that for you.

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        Walid, that was the most intelligent and classiest way to rip Jozeff a new bum hole…..well said 🙂

        1. Walid Khouri Avatar
          Walid Khouri

          Thanks I love you too Maria 🙂

    2. JadM Avatar
      JadM

      Joseph,

      Aoun did do a lot of mistakes….like your freind Geagea, nobody is that innocent, most of our politicians have blood on their hands and unfortunately they still have idiots like you supporting them and claiming that they have never murdered in cold blood 100s maybe 1000s of Lebanese and even if you admit you will come up with a lame excuse that it is justified.

      Let me tell you something I would never killa a civilian even if he/she was the enemy, in other words I will never kill my enemy’s child, mother or wife as they are innocent…didn’t geagea kill innocent families?

      As for Aoun, his bad strategy lead to the slaughter of many families…so who is worst him or Geagea?

  14. Walid Khouri Avatar
    Walid Khouri

    You do not have to remind us Joseph. I lived it! I was in the middle of it. Nobody is innocent BUT the civilians themselves who paid the price. Lebanon’s massacres will live in our conscience for centuries to come and the healing of those deep wounds will take a long time. We were sucked into a religious genocide that was utterly disgusting. We, the Lebanese, in all our forms and shapes and sects and differences and similarities lived the REAL holocaust. The problem is that our leaders are taking us back there and we have everyone to thank for that specially HA for not wanting a country and playing the international card. They were used as a hand to eliminate Hariri and others and now they are left to dry in the winds of big players and by the Syrians who are again little by little shifting strategy and disowning them. Lebanon will always pay the price of le3bit el oumam as long as we look at our fellow Lebanese as enemies just because of their sects. Gebran said “I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit.” I gladly will add “I love you even if you do not know how to bow, kneel or pray as you will always be my brother whether you believe or not”. Now I hope the Lebanese people grow up above the petty stupidity and prepare for a scarce future by planning with sustainability in mind because when the food and water and energy shortages will hit there will be no hiding for anyone whether you are Christian, Moslem, Jew or atheist. Hunger and thirst has no religion… and it has begun.

  15. josephphd Avatar
    josephphd

    to jad
    i am against any one that kill women and children innocent civilians off course i do consider him criminal
    which aoun definetley is because he was the agressor who ordered the attacks
    about geogea i am not telling he is innocent but he has not been proven guilty because the LF were acting in self defense and they fighting the invaders the palestinans
    now off course civilians have died in beteween fighting but the lf never targeted civilians

  16. josephphd Avatar
    josephphd

    to jad
    i am against any one that kill women and children innocent civilians off course i do consider him criminal
    which aoun definetley is because he was the agressor who ordered the attacks
    about geogea i am not telling he is innocent but he has not been proven guilty because the LF were acting in self defense and they fighting the invaders the palestinans
    now off course civilians have died in beteween fighting but the lf never targeted civilians

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    Anonymous

    to jad

    i am against any one that kill women and children innocent civilians off course i do consider him criminal

    which aoun definetley is because he was the agressor who ordered the attacks

    about geogea i am not telling he is innocent but he has not been proven guilty because the LF were acting in self defense and they fighting the invaders the palestinans

    now off course civilians have died in beteween fighting but the lf never targeted civilians

  18. josephphd Avatar
    josephphd

    http://www.shrc.org/data/aspx/d5/2535.aspx
    if they can commit those crimes against their people its not hard to believe what they did in lebanon; senator hillary how could you sit on the same table with criminals like that?

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