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Clinton to stress US commitment to Lebanon sovereignty

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An Nahar newspaper reported Thursday.that President Michel Suleiman will meet U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Friday on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly session in New York.

Clinton will stress to Suleiman “our commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty and independence and the Special Tribunal for Lebanon,” a State Department official told An Nahar.

She will reiterate that Washington “is committed to strengthen Lebanese state institutions to support stability in Lebanon and the region,” the official said.

First Lady Wafa Suleiman and a ministerial delegation consisting of Ali al-Shami, Ziad Baroud, Ghazi Aridi and Salim Wardeh are reportedly accompanying Suleiman in his visit to New York.

Other than attending the General Assembly session, Suleiman will attend a Security Council meeting where he is expected to deliver a speech rejecting the naturalization of Palestinians in Lebanon and urging the world community to pressure Israel into ending its repeated threats.

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53 responses to “Clinton to stress US commitment to Lebanon sovereignty”

  1. josephphd Avatar
    josephphd

    we love you hillary and we thank you for your support
    for the democracy in lebanon please help our neighboring country syria achieved democracy and libirate its citizens from those criminals that have murdered 100.000 innocent civilians in lebanon it is time for the us to help liberate 16 millions sunnis in syria that who they are ruled against therewill and they are hijacked by the same criminals that killed and raped women and children in lebanon for the last 30 years; the us should not tolerate a criminal regime in the world that doe,nt respect human rights and murder civilian that is not what america would approve off and that is not what the free world and democracy would tolerate
    so, senator clinton please help democracy to spread in the middle east starting with syria and help libirate those millions of sunnis syrian women who they are abused by this criminal regim

  2. josephphd Avatar
    josephphd

    we love you hillary and we thank you for your support
    for the democracy in lebanon please help our neighboring country syria achieved democracy and libirate its citizens from those criminals that have murdered 100.000 innocent civilians in lebanon it is time for the us to help liberate 16 millions sunnis in syria that who they are ruled against therewill and they are hijacked by the same criminals that killed and raped women and children in lebanon for the last 30 years; the us should not tolerate a criminal regime in the world that doe,nt respect human rights and murder civilian that is not what america would approve off and that is not what the free world and democracy would tolerate
    so, senator clinton please help democracy to spread in the middle east starting with syria and help libirate those millions of sunnis syrian women who they are abused by this criminal regim

  3. Avatar
    Anonymous

    we love you hillary and we thank you for your support

    and the democracy in lebanon please help our nighboring country syria achieved democracy and libirate the from those criminals that have murdered 100.000 innocent civilians in lebanon it is time for the us to help liberate 16 millions sunnis in syria that they ruled against there will and they are hijacked by the same criminals that killed and raped women and children in lebanon for the last 30 years the us should not tolerate a criminal regime in the world that doe,nt respect human rights and murder civilian that is what america would approve off and that is not free world and democracy would tolerate

    so senator clinton pleas help democracy to spread in the middle east starting with syria

  4. ghzayel Avatar
    ghzayel

    reading the statement regarding the commitment of us secretary of state hillary clinton brings tears of joy to my eyes and we thank her for her outpouring sentiments towards lebanon.

    nevertheless, and in order not to prove right the old lebanese saying “ismaaa tafrah jarreb tahzan”, hear me i will make you happy try me i will make you sad, we want mrs. clinton to translate her warm wishes to lebanon into a concrete reality on the ground.

    needless to say and as a reminder, lebanon is currently passing through a serious political and a national security crisis with threats to its independence, sovereignty and peaceful coexistence coming not only from outside the borders but also from within.

    the situation on the israeli border is so far well taken care of and under control, thanks to the joint efforts of the unifil and the lebanese army.

    but what is worrying the lebanese the most these days is the interior security situation that witnessed several breaches since 2005, the date the syrian military withdrawal from lebanon.

    today, the lebanese government and most of its security institutions, including the lebanese armed forces, are seriously being challenged, intimidated and outgunned by the defiant hezballah’s military operators previously known as the shiite resistance whose job was to liberate the south from the israeli occupation before the year 2000.

    hezballah are fully backed, politically, militarily, financially and ideologically by iran, contrary to the inner lebanese taef agreement, contrary to un resolutions 1559 and 1701 to name a few.

    syria, who is playing the role of a go between and neighbor sponsor, is facilitating all kinds of weapons transfer from iran via its territories to hezballah in lebanon, also contrary to the previously mentioned resolutions.

    since 2005, hezballah started to play an increasingly bigger role in lebanese politics. and despite their constant denial of the opposite, they flexed their military capabilities in the interior affairs of lebanon several times so far, to gain political leverage they couldnt get through legal and constitutional channels.

    lately hezballah and some associates are mounting a campaign of revolt against the lebanese government threatening to start a civil war and take the whole country by force, if the un special tribunal for lebanon indicts them in the assasination case of late pm hariri, eventhough this whole affair is no longer within the grasp or the control of the lebanese government.

    so, mrs. clinton, if you are really committed to safeguard the sovereignty of lebanon, then let us hear some reassuring words on how you are going to stop this blatant attack on the fragile lebanese democracy.

    the situation on the ground is pressing, we would like to put forward a defensive plan to stop all the rogue armed groups from threatening lebanese security in conjunction with the us, the so called free world and also equally important from the united nations, who after all bear the sole responsibility for the tribunal indictments and its fallouts.

  5. ghzayel Avatar
    ghzayel

    reading the statement regarding the commitment of us secretary of state hillary clinton brings tears of joy to my eyes and we thank her for her outpouring sentiments towards lebanon.

    nevertheless, and in order not to prove right the old lebanese saying “ismaaa tafrah jarreb tahzan”, hear me i will make you happy try me i will make you sad, we want mrs. clinton to translate her warm wishes to lebanon into a concrete reality on the ground.

    needless to say and as a reminder, lebanon is currently passing through a serious political and a national security crisis with threats to its independence, sovereignty and peaceful coexistence coming not only from outside the borders but also from within.

    the situation on the israeli border is so far well taken care of and under control, thanks to the joint efforts of the unifil and the lebanese army.

    but what is worrying the lebanese the most these days is the interior security situation that witnessed several breaches since 2005, the date the syrian military withdrawal from lebanon.

    today, the lebanese government and most of its security institutions, including the lebanese armed forces, are seriously being challenged, intimidated and outgunned by the defiant hezballah’s military operators previously known as the shiite resistance whose job was to liberate the south from the israeli occupation before the year 2000.

    hezballah are fully backed, politically, militarily, financially and ideologically by iran, contrary to the inner lebanese taef agreement, contrary to un resolutions 1559 and 1701 to name a few.

    syria, who is playing the role of a go between and neighbor sponsor, is facilitating all kinds of weapons transfer from iran via its territories to hezballah in lebanon, also contrary to the previously mentioned resolutions.

    since 2005, hezballah started to play an increasingly bigger role in lebanese politics. and despite their constant denial of the opposite, they flexed their military capabilities in the interior affairs of lebanon several times so far, to gain political leverage they couldnt get through legal and constitutional channels.

    lately hezballah and some associates are mounting a campaign of revolt against the lebanese government threatening to start a civil war and take the whole country by force, if the un special tribunal for lebanon indicts them in the assasination case of late pm hariri, eventhough this whole affair is no longer within the grasp or the control of the lebanese government.

    so, mrs. clinton, if you are really committed to safeguard the sovereignty of lebanon, then let us hear some reassuring words on how you are going to stop this blatant attack on the fragile lebanese democracy.

    the situation on the ground is pressing, we would like to put forward a defensive plan to stop all the rogue armed groups from threatening lebanese security in conjunction with the us, the so called free world and also equally important from the united nations, who after all bear the sole responsibility for the tribunal indictments and its fallouts.

  6. Avatar
    Anonymous

    reading the statement regarding the commitment of us secretary of state hillary clinton brings tears of joy to my eyes and we thank her for her outpouring sentiments towards lebanon.

    nevertheless, and in order not to prove right the old lebanese saying “ismaaa tafrah jarreb tahzan”, hear me i will make you happy try me i will make you sad, we want mrs. clinton to translate her warm wishes to lebanon into a concrete reality on the ground.

    needless to say and as a reminder, lebanon is currently passing through a serious political and a national security crisis with threats to its independence, sovereignty and peaceful coexistence coming not only from outside the borders but also from within.

    the situation on the israeli border is so far well taken care of and under control, thanks to the joint efforts of the unifil and the lebanese army.

    but what is worrying the lebanese the most these days is the interior security situation that witnessed several breaches since 2005, the date the syrian military withdrawal from lebanon.

    today, the lebanese government and most of its security institutions, including the lebanese armed forces, are seriously being challenged, intimidated and outgunned by the defiant hezballah’s military operators previously known as the shiite resistance whose job was to liberate the south from the israeli occupation before the year 2000.

    hezballah are fully backed, politically, militarily, financially and ideologically by iran, contrary to the inner lebanese taef agreement, contrary to un resolutions 1559 and 1701 to name a few.

    syria, who is playing the role of a go between and neighbor sponsor, is facilitating all kinds of weapons transfer from iran via its territories to hezballah in lebanon, also contrary to the previously mentioned resolutions.

    since 2005, hezballah started to play an increasingly bigger role in lebanese politics. and despite their constant denial of the opposite, they flexed their military capabilities in the interior affairs of lebanon several times so far, to gain political leverage they couldnt get through legal and constitutional channels.

    lately hezballah and some associates are mounting a campaign of revolt against the lebanese government threatening to start a civil war and take the whole country by force, if the un special tribunal for lebanon indicts them in the assasination case of late pm hariri, eventhough this whole affair is no longer within the grasp or the control of the lebanese government.

    so, mrs. clinton, if you are really committed to safeguard the sovereignty of lebanon, then let us hear some reassuring words on how you are going to stop this blatant attack on the fragile lebanese democracy.

    the situation on the ground is pressing, we would like to put forward a defensive plan to stop all the rogue armed groups from threatening lebanese security in conjunction with the us, the so called free world and also equally important from the united nations, who after all bear the sole responsibility for the tribunal indictments and its fallouts.

  7. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    “The US Commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty and independence and the Special Tribunal for Lebanon”.
    Read carefully; it means commitment to the Special Tribunal for Lebanon.
    We all know how the US commitment allowed Syria to control Lebanon for 30 years. We also know very well how this “US commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty” allowed Israel to invade Lebanon twice ,and occupy part of the country for years. We do know as well how “The US commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty” gave the green light to Israel to attack Lebanon and kill more than 1400 people. Where was that commitment?
    Don’t be fooled. Any commitment coming from Hilary is worthless.

    1. Abousteif Avatar
      Abousteif

      I concur!

    2. Abousteif Avatar
      Abousteif

      I concur!

  8. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    “The US Commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty and independence and the Special Tribunal for Lebanon”.
    Read carefully; it means commitment to the Special Tribunal for Lebanon.
    We all know how the US commitment allowed Syria to control Lebanon for 30 years. We also know very well how this “US commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty” allowed Israel to invade Lebanon twice ,and occupy part of the country for years. We do know as well how “The US commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty” gave the green light to Israel to attack Lebanon and kill more than 1400 people. Where was that commitment?
    Don’t be fooled. Any commitment coming from Hilary is worthless.

  9. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    “The US Commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty and independence and the Special Tribunal for Lebanon”.
    Read carefully; it means commitment to the Special Tribunal for Lebanon.
    We all know how the US commitment allowed Syria to control Lebanon for 30 years. We also know very well how this “US commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty” allowed Israel to invade Lebanon twice ,and occupy part of the country for years. We do know as well how “The US commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty” gave the green light to Israel to attack Lebanon and kill more than 1400 people. Where was that commitment?
    Don’t be fooled. Any commitment coming from Hilary is worthless.

  10. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    “The US Commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty and independence and the Special Tribunal for Lebanon”.
    Read carefully; it means commitment to the Special Tribunal for Lebanon.
    We all know how the US commitment allowed Syria to control Lebanon for 30 years. We also know very well how this “US commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty” allowed Israel to invade Lebanon twice ,and occupy part of the country for years. We do know as well how “The US commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty” gave the green light to Israel to attack Lebanon and kill more than 1400 people. Where was that commitment?
    Don’t be fooled. Any commitment coming from Hilary is worthless.

  11. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    “The US Commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty and independence and the Special Tribunal for Lebanon”.
    Read carefully; it means commitment to the Special Tribunal for Lebanon.
    We all know how the US commitment allowed Syria to control Lebanon for 30 years. We also know very well how this “US commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty” allowed Israel to invade Lebanon twice ,and occupy part of the country for years. We do know as well how “The US commitment to Lebanon’s sovereignty” gave the green light to Israel to attack Lebanon and kill more than 1400 people. Where was that commitment?
    Don’t be fooled. Any commitment coming from Hilary is worthless.

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      I concur!

  12. ghaddad Avatar
    ghaddad

    Yes I agree we cannot rely on any committments from the US administration and I see someone admitting to Syria controlled lebanon for 30 yrs. That’s a good progress there. We all know israel was never merciful with lebanon and neither was syria. We could not rely on Syria to help lebanon so why should we rely on anobody else? We cannot rely on Iran even though they’re willing to help, but at a huge price and sacrifices. So those who criticizes the US they tried to arm lebanon to face internal aggressions and terrorism. Not facing israel, syria or any neighboring country which is fair to say. The US helped many times without asking too much committments from lebanon. I understand the weapons issue they don’t want us to fight israel. But Ronald Reagan was willing to arm Lebanon during the time Bashir was to become president and he had aggressive plans for milatery and Israel objected to it. My belief that’s why they let never warned him about his assasination attempt beforehand. For those who criticize the US though why not be fair and criticize Syria. What have really Syria ever done for lebanon? all it does takes and takes and kill us slowly humanwise and economy.. Anyone denies that israel means well for lebanon is very naive and do not know the history of our borders. So having said that its not fair to consider syria and those of the opposition willing to give syria all the credits in the world without having done much toward lebanon. We cannot rely on Iran because its saying upfront that its proud of its many fronts in the middle east where it can use them against israel and the US. so anyone who sides and favors Iran is also hypocrites as well because its not fair to deny Iran high goals and we do not wish to pay for these lofty goals. Lebanon needs to stay independent of everyone and needs to be united. However it cannot be united while we have internal groups wants to control the country. Its not acceptable to have israel and syria want to control lebanon and its equally destructive to have groups want to control every aspect of lebanese life. The problem we have the STL that’s trying to do its job and so many groups attacking it. All its trying to do not just to reach justice for Hariri but for thousands of lebanon who died/killed during the war. However its not fair to implicate hezbollah if they were to be implicated. The STL should based on solid evidence vindicate all those involve and even it means israel, syria or whomever was involved. However to me those are already implicating themselves and attacking the STL are being very suspicious of the way they’re handling it. One main reason they keep sending their allies to keep spreading the fear of civil strife and blood and chaos. Why are you threatening to kill your fellow lebanon citicizen if they’re not the one who are vindicting you in the crimes committed? why is hezbollah is so intent on scaring everyone to death if they were accused? why do you want to kill innocent lebanese to prove your innocence? Now they want to drag the whole lebanon because of it and the false witnesseses. These witnesses are all syrians and with only except one why don’t syria try them? After all we have learned that these witiness testments are not taking into accounts? so what are you aiming for then? discreting the STL to get away with Murder? yes we cannot rely on the US administration, we could not rely on our gov’t to take care of us. But neither we can rely on criminals elements who roams the streets of beirut with their guns trying to tell us who’s in control of the country.. If you have any have respect for lebanon and lebanese then, stop sending these thugs out there. stop attacking everyone and stop destroying lebanon. Leave us alone and go to Iran, syria and darfur since hezbollah now wants to fight for darfur.. So do we call them the resistance of Darfur now too?

  13. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Yes I agree we cannot rely on any committments from the US administration and I see someone admitting to Syria controlled lebanon for 30 yrs. That’s a good progress there. We all know israel was never merciful with lebanon and neither was syria. We could not rely on Syria to help lebanon so why should we rely on anobody else? We cannot rely on Iran even though they’re willing to help, but at a huge price and sacrifices. So those who criticizes the US they tried to arm lebanon to face internal aggressions and terrorism. Not facing israel, syria or any neighboring country which is fair to say. The US helped many times without asking too much committments from lebanon. I understand the weapons issue they don’t want us to fight israel. But Ronald Reagan was willing to arm Lebanon during the time Bashir was to become president and he had aggressive plans for milatery and Israel objected to it. My belief that’s why they let never warned him about his assasination attempt beforehand. For those who criticize the US though why not be fair and criticize Syria. What have really Syria ever done for lebanon? all it does takes and takes and kill us slowly humanwise and economy.. Anyone denies that israel means well for lebanon is very naive and do not know the history of our borders. So having said that its not fair to consider syria and those of the opposition willing to give syria all the credits in the world without having done much toward lebanon. We cannot rely on Iran because its saying upfront that its proud of its many fronts in the middle east where it can use them against israel and the US. so anyone who sides and favors Iran is also hypocrites as well because its not fair to deny Iran high goals and we do not wish to pay for these lofty goals. Lebanon needs to stay independent of everyone and needs to be united. However it cannot be united while we have internal groups wants to control the country. Its not acceptable to have israel and syria want to control lebanon and its equally destructive to have groups want to control every aspect of lebanese life. The problem we have the STL that’s trying to do its job and so many groups attacking it. All its trying to do not just to reach justice for Hariri but for thousands of lebanon who died/killed during the war. However its not fair to implicate hezbollah if they were to be implicated. The STL should based on solid evidence vindicate all those involve and even it means israel, syria or whomever was involved. However to me those are already implicating themselves and attacking the STL are being very suspicious of the way they’re handling it. One main reason they keep sending their allies to keep spreading the fear of civil strife and blood and chaos. Why are you threatening to kill your fellow lebanon citicizen if they’re not the one who are vindicting you in the crimes committed? why is hezbollah is so intent on scaring everyone to death if they were accused? why do you want to kill innocent lebanese to prove your innocence? Now they want to drag the whole lebanon because of it and the false witnesseses. These witnesses are all syrians and with only except one why don’t syria try them? After all we have learned that these witiness testments are not taking into accounts? so what are you aiming for then? discreting the STL to get away with Murder? yes we cannot rely on the US administration, we could not rely on our gov’t to take care of us. But neither we can rely on criminals elements who roams the streets of beirut with their guns trying to tell us who’s in control of the country.. If you have any have respect for lebanon and lebanese then, stop sending these thugs out there. stop attacking everyone and stop destroying lebanon. Leave us alone and go to Iran, syria and darfur since hezbollah now wants to fight for darfur.. So do we call them the resistance of Darfur now too?

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      Habibi George! How are you?!

      I agree with you bro, bessss dont you think we would be hypocrits to put all our cards in the bucket of an entity that has Israel’s best interest first and foremost even ahead of its own!?!? I mean i dont mind what the US was doing hooking the ISF up but when shit hit the fan and the LAF was targeted by the Izzy, the immediately stopped their support to the LAF. So as much as I can’t trust Iran and Syria, I defiantely can’t trust the US.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Only when we had traitors, and criminals riding Israeli tanks to become presidents, the US was willing to Arm the LAF.

        Only when they thought a pro Israel regime was in place the US was willing to Arm US. Yali istahoo matoo.

        Thank God that ear didn’t last long.

        They will always be remembered as the ones who killed their own fellow citizens, because the prayed different then themselves, and also killed those who prayed like them when they disagreed with them.

        What a shame.

    2. Avatar
      Anonymous

      ya george, quoting you:

      “lebanon needs to stay independent of everyone and needs to be united”

      you dont want to rely on any of the following: lebanese gov., syria, the us,the arab countries the european nations and the united nations, so my question to you is this: lebanon is now in imminent danger of being taken over by the well equipped and well armed pro iranian 8th of march group they already stated several times they are ready to fullfill their promises once the stl issues its indictment.

      since the other opposing side,eventhough representing the majority of the population, is unarmed, undecided and too weak to confront a well trained militia that confronted the israeli army on several occasions; so tell me what army under whose command is gonna defend the 14th of march group from any military intervention similar to the 7th of may 2008 but this time on a nation wide scale and spare them a crushing and humiliating defeat?????

  14. ghaddad Avatar
    ghaddad

    Is hezbollah who is killing lebanese now since 2005 and they’re still threatening them on daily basis. Stop your aggression and terrorist like behavior then we can have an everlasting peace in our country. You talk about traitors Prophet what is the difference of riding israeli tanks, or syrian tanks or Iranian tanks and weapons to kill your own people. Nobody is threatening hezbollah even if accused by the STL. we tell you about you now then you want to bring the past. everyone in the past made mistakes. Shiites were very friendly with the israelis until Khomeini arrived? Iran and Libyia killed Imam Moussa Sadr because they thought him as traitor? who are you to decide who’s the traitor here? hezbollah befriended Syria while they were torturing and killing lebanese. Prophet you and your gangs are the traitors and been the traitors for 30 yrs. You let Syria destory lebanon as much as israel did. You can close one eye and keep the other eye shut. It doesn’t work that way. But your people been attacking the streets everyday trying to scare people while everyone trying to go about their in business in peacefull ways. I am sure even Hariri is willing to compromise on how to deal with hezbollah if indicated by the STL. But your leaders the one you say you don’t follow but you always seems to find ways to defend them are very unreasonable and untolerable to deal with. We will not have it your way no matter how strong you are. I am telling now if these assholes do not stop these threats and aggression of war. They will burn in hell and take lebanon with them. Is this what you people want? Go to hell then and go screw youserlf. Lebanese will not have mercy on you when’re weak and your days to be are numbered. I give you less than a year that will end the rules of the thugs in the streets of Lebanon. We have had enough of you, the syrian, the iranians and the israelis most of all.

  15. ghaddad Avatar
    ghaddad

    Is hezbollah who is killing lebanese now since 2005 and they’re still threatening them on daily basis. Stop your aggression and terrorist like behavior then we can have an everlasting peace in our country. You talk about traitors Prophet what is the difference of riding israeli tanks, or syrian tanks or Iranian tanks and weapons to kill your own people. Nobody is threatening hezbollah even if accused by the STL. we tell you about you now then you want to bring the past. everyone in the past made mistakes. Shiites were very friendly with the israelis until Khomeini arrived? Iran and Libyia killed Imam Moussa Sadr because they thought him as traitor? who are you to decide who’s the traitor here? hezbollah befriended Syria while they were torturing and killing lebanese. Prophet you and your gangs are the traitors and been the traitors for 30 yrs. You let Syria destory lebanon as much as israel did. You can close one eye and keep the other eye shut. It doesn’t work that way. But your people been attacking the streets everyday trying to scare people while everyone trying to go about their in business in peacefull ways. I am sure even Hariri is willing to compromise on how to deal with hezbollah if indicated by the STL. But your leaders the one you say you don’t follow but you always seems to find ways to defend them are very unreasonable and untolerable to deal with. We will not have it your way no matter how strong you are. I am telling now if these assholes do not stop these threats and aggression of war. They will burn in hell and take lebanon with them. Is this what you people want? Go to hell then and go screw youserlf. Lebanese will not have mercy on you when’re weak and your days to be are numbered. I give you less than a year that will end the rules of the thugs in the streets of Lebanon. We have had enough of you, the syrian, the iranians and the israelis most of all.

  16. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Is hezbollah who is killing lebanese now since 2005 and they’re still threatening them on daily basis. Stop your aggression and terrorist like behavior then we can have an everlasting peace in our country. You talk about traitors Prophet what is the difference of riding israeli tanks, or syrian tanks or Iranian tanks and weapons to kill your own people. Nobody is threatening hezbollah even if accused by the STL. we tell you about you now then you want to bring the past. everyone in the past made mistakes. Shiites were very friendly with the israelis until Khomeini arrived? Iran and Libyia killed Imam Moussa Sadr because they thought him as traitor? who are you to decide who’s the traitor here? hezbollah befriended Syria while they were torturing and killing lebanese. Prophet you and your gangs are the traitors and been the traitors for 30 yrs. You let Syria destory lebanon as much as israel did. You can close one eye and keep the other eye shut. It doesn’t work that way. But your people been attacking the streets everyday trying to scare people while everyone trying to go about their in business in peacefull ways. I am sure even Hariri is willing to compromise on how to deal with hezbollah if indicated by the STL. But your leaders the one you say you don’t follow but you always seems to find ways to defend them are very unreasonable and untolerable to deal with. We will not have it your way no matter how strong you are. I am telling now if these assholes do not stop these threats and aggression of war. They will burn in hell and take lebanon with them. Is this what you people want? Go to hell then and go screw youserlf. Lebanese will not have mercy on you when’re weak and your days to be are numbered. I give you less than a year that will end the rules of the thugs in the streets of Lebanon. We have had enough of you, the syrian, the iranians and the israelis most of all.

  17. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Yes traitors are traitors. When you betray your own fellow citizens, and help the enemy kill your own people, you are a traitor. When you help the enemy occupy your country ,so that you can become a president, you are indeed a traitor. There is no and, ifs or buts. Traitors are people selfish criminal who betray their own country and people for their own selfish interests, and for the hatred they live by and die by.
    When you dine with the biggest war criminal in your own capital , you are as much Of a criminal as he is. When you have lunch with the criminal who , you just help invade your country, you are indeed a traitor.
    When you kill your own citizens because they have a different faith, you are a war criminal, racist, and bigot. No ifs, buts, or ands.
    Those who defend them by saying they were defending Lebanon against Palestinians, forget to mention that when the phalange party committed the black Saturday massacre in 1975, there was no war going on. They literally pulled people from their cars and checked their identity cards, and killed them with cold blood because they had different faith. Was that massacre in defense of Lebanon?
    According to the official CIA website, Bashir was initially a CIA informant, and an Israeli collaborator.
    Some may yell , bark ,and scream, yet all the hypocritical yelling won’t change the facts that traitors are traitors. NO IFS, BUTS AND ANDS.
    Yali istahoo mattou

  18. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Yes traitors are traitors. When you betray your own fellow citizens, and help the enemy kill your own people, you are a traitor. When you help the enemy occupy your country ,so that you can become a president, you are indeed a traitor. There is no and, ifs or buts. Traitors are people selfish criminal who betray their own country and people for their own selfish interests, and for the hatred they live by and die by.

    When you dine with the biggest war criminal in your own capital , you are as much Of a criminal as he is. When you have lunch with the criminal who , you just help invade your country, you are indeed a traitor.

    When you kill your own citizens because they have a different faith, you are a war criminal, racist, and bigot. No ifs, buts, or ands.

    Those who defend them by saying they were defending Lebanon against Palestinians, forget to mention that when the phalange party committed the black Saturday massacre in 1975, there was no war going on. They literally pulled people from their cars and checked their identity cards, and killed them with cold blood because they had different faith. Was that massacre in defense of Lebanon?

    According to the official CIA website, Bashir was initially a CIA informant, and an Israeli collaborator.

    Some may yell , bark ,and scream, yet all the hypocritical yelling won’t change the facts that traitors are traitors. NO IF, BUTS AND ANDS.

    Yali istahoo mattou

  19. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/kent-csi/vol37no2/html/v37i2a05p_0005.htm
    An official CIA STORY OF ISRAEL’S BEST FRIENDS IN LEBANON.

  20. ghaddad Avatar
    ghaddad

    No one can deny the phalangist acted brutely at times but also they reacted to prior killings. But either way i do not agree with they did sometimes. I am against all form of killings no matter where it came from or against anyone. But you keep harboring on Bashir and the phalangists. But you tend to ignore the christians who are supporting your shiites organization like Aoun who have had dealings and was accused by hezbollah that he was dealing secrets with IDF. What about the marada who killed and butchered many muslims. You seeem to pick and label people who you don’t like as traitors? What about many shiites in the South who fought with Lahd Army? what about hezbollah who conspired with the Syrians and Iranians against Lebanese? is that okay with you? i guess it seems to be okay allright. What about the Muslims who have demolished Deir Al Amar and his inhabitants? what about in Chekka when PLO groups and muslims attacked the people in the north Raped and kidnapped many young girls to camps in tripoli? what about the syrian bombardment of Tripoli for over a month? let alone many times during the war? what about the Druze who killed 200 chirtians in one single day because they were mislead and told that christians killed Kamal Jumblatt? what about the shiites who killed innocent civilains in May of 2008? what about the war your scum leaders lead in 2006 to destructions and killing of over 1000 civialians? what about hiding 3 times behind Qana school and shooting from it knowing the israelis will strike back and kill civilians in the process. These resistance fighters are coward hiding behind school children? Those children were christians many of them? And many other civilians areas populated by sunnis. many sunnies in the south realized what HA doing so they tried to get them out of their areas. killing is killing. traitors are traitors and now your hezbollah are the biggest threats and traitors to lebanon whether you want to admit it or not.

  21. ghaddad Avatar
    ghaddad

    No one can deny the phalangist acted brutely at times but also they reacted to prior killings. But either way i do not agree with they did sometimes. I am against all form of killings no matter where it came from or against anyone. But you keep harboring on Bashir and the phalangists. But you tend to ignore the christians who are supporting your shiites organization like Aoun who have had dealings and was accused by hezbollah that he was dealing secrets with IDF. What about the marada who killed and butchered many muslims. You seeem to pick and label people who you don’t like as traitors? What about many shiites in the South who fought with Lahd Army? what about hezbollah who conspired with the Syrians and Iranians against Lebanese? is that okay with you? i guess it seems to be okay allright. What about the Muslims who have demolished Deir Al Amar and his inhabitants? what about in Chekka when PLO groups and muslims attacked the people in the north Raped and kidnapped many young girls to camps in tripoli? what about the syrian bombardment of Tripoli for over a month? let alone many times during the war? what about the Druze who killed 200 chirtians in one single day because they were mislead and told that christians killed Kamal Jumblatt? what about the shiites who killed innocent civilains in May of 2008? what about the war your scum leaders lead in 2006 to destructions and killing of over 1000 civialians? what about hiding 3 times behind Qana school and shooting from it knowing the israelis will strike back and kill civilians in the process. These resistance fighters are coward hiding behind school children? Those children were christians many of them? And many other civilians areas populated by sunnis. many sunnies in the south realized what HA doing so they tried to get them out of their areas. killing is killing. traitors are traitors and now your hezbollah are the biggest threats and traitors to lebanon whether you want to admit it or not.

  22. Avatar
    Anonymous

    No one can deny the phalangist acted brutely at times but also they reacted to prior killings. But either way i do not agree with they did sometimes. I am against all form of killings no matter where it came from or against anyone. But you keep harboring on Bashir and the phalangists. But you tend to ignore the christians who are supporting your shiites organization like Aoun who have had dealings and was accused by hezbollah that he was dealing secrets with IDF. What about the marada who killed and butchered many muslims. You seeem to pick and label people who you don’t like as traitors? What about many shiites in the South who fought with Lahd Army? what about hezbollah who conspired with the Syrians and Iranians against Lebanese? is that okay with you? i guess it seems to be okay allright. What about the Muslims who have demolished Deir Al Amar and his inhabitants? what about in Chekka when PLO groups and muslims attacked the people in the north Raped and kidnapped many young girls to camps in tripoli? what about the syrian bombardment of Tripoli for over a month? let alone many times during the war? what about the Druze who killed 200 chirtians in one single day because they were mislead and told that christians killed Kamal Jumblatt? what about the shiites who killed innocent civilains in May of 2008? what about the war your scum leaders lead in 2006 to destructions and killing of over 1000 civialians? what about hiding 3 times behind Qana school and shooting from it knowing the israelis will strike back and kill civilians in the process. These resistance fighters are coward hiding behind school children? Those children were christians many of them? And many other civilians areas populated by sunnis. many sunnies in the south realized what HA doing so they tried to get them out of their areas. killing is killing. traitors are traitors and now your hezbollah are the biggest threats and traitors to lebanon whether you want to admit it or not.

  23. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Killing of innocent people was not only done by the phalange party. Many times, at this site, I criticized Amal, Jumblat, Bashir, Gageaa, Hubeika,the PLO, the Syrians, and all the others who killed innocent people for no reasons , or for sectarian reasons. I’ve called all the warlords who were in charge during the civil wars criminals. I never defended, and will never defend any of them.
    Often times I talked about the brutality and the abuse of the PLO.
    My views of the Syrian control and abuse are well known. I have family members who were killed by the Syrian as well. I’ve posted few comments that showed my anger and distain for all the warlords and their behavior.
    The criminal behavior of the other parties should not be used as an excuse for the criminal behavior, and the treason plans of Bashir . It was not Kamal jumblat who started killing people because of their faiths, It was not Berri who killed Christians or Druz at that time because of their faith. It was the phalange Party who started killing innocent people because; they were either Muslims or druz, or even Christians who didn’t agree with the plans.
    Yes the druz, Amal, the PLO, and others engaged in killing innocent people innocent people.
    I’m not excusing any of them for their crimes. My comment was about traitors and treason.

    That being said, No one can deny that the phalange party, and Bashir himself, were the leading party in committing crimes against their own people for sectarian reasons.
    They even cleansed some area of non Christians in the name of defending against the PLO.
    We’re told by the new Gemayel prince, that it was a patriotic act, and a necessity.

    Yet the phalange/LF deserves the gold medal in both criminal behavior, and in treason.
    Though others later on engaged in killings, But It all started with the phalange and their massacres.
    When the phalange party was met with strong resistance by opposing Lebanese, The phalange party invited Syria, with the approval of the USA to save them. Once Assad moved in and saved the phalanges, they turned against the Syrians.
    So your selective memory may not be a good excuse either.
    The phalange party used the PLO presences an excuse to execute an Israeli/CIA plan to install Bashir as president, ensure that the PLO is toothless, and subdue all the leftist and Muslim groups (who supported the Palestinian cause), and then sign a peace treaty with Israel, that would give Israel total control of our airspace, intelligence, observation stations on the high Lebanese mountains, and foreign policy, among other things.
    If this is not treason, I don’t know what is.
    HA was not even born, The Iranian revolution was not born, all of the stupid excuses that some people use to defend Basir’s criminal record, and his treason are not good excuses either.
    After Bshir’s assassination, His Brother Amin carried the torch of killing and treason. He still received the backing of Israelis and the Regan administration. While he was president, people were disappearing at the hands of his intelligence.
    Not to mention Sabra and shatila. Some people would love to believe that all people who were murdered in sabra and shatila had committee suicide.
    The new generation of Gemayel is asking us to give them medals for the criminal, and treason history of their family and party. Those two Gemayle kids had a chance to start clean. Neither one of them was responsible for any of their parents history. They didn’t have to be proud of the crimes committed by basher and Amin.
    Traitors and spies have been found in all communities in Lebanon. In the south, many shiia worked with the Israelis as well. Too bad HA didn’t insist on hanging all of them. Maybe they would have been a good lessons o others. Having said that, I don’t hear any Muslim or shiia leader saying he is proud of those traitors, or giving them excuses. Only our “royal” Gemayel family is proud of its treason and criminal history.

    1. guss043 Avatar
      guss043

      and this is just in from annahar ,also
      لا شيء يبرر ما حصل من مجازر في مخيمي صبرا وشاتيلا وأودى بمئات، أو ربما بآلاف الفلسطينيين، ذبحاً ورمياً بالرصاص. انها جريمة إنسانية بحق، والإنسان المؤمن لا يميز بالروح بين عربي وأعجمي، بين لبناني وفلسطيني، والإيمان هنا، هو إيمان بالإنسان، القيمة الأغلى.
      لكن الذي حصل في صبرا وشاتيلا، لم يكن حادثة يتيمة في زمن الحرب، لا في لبنان ولا في غيره من دول عربية، ولم تقتصر حوادث الغدر والقتل على الفلسطينيين من دون اللبنانيين، فحرب الجبل ماثلة أمام عيون الكثيرين ممن نجت أعناقهم من الفؤوس، وظلت عيونهم عالقة تحت الجبين. وتهجير الدامور لا يمحى من الذاكرة، وقرى شرق صيدا شاهدة على القتل، وكذلك القاع ومشغرة، وحصار دير القمر وزحلة والأشرفية، والسيارات المفخخة التي أودت بالكثيرين.
      في المقابل حروب “أمل” على المخيمات، وتعاونها مع الإشتراكي للنيل من “المرابطون” ومحاولة “حزب الله” القضاء على معاقل القومي والشيوعي.
      وماذا عن تل الزعتر، والنبعة…؟
      ان ما جرى بأيد اجرامية ملونة الرايات لا يختلف عن مجزرة صبرا وشاتيلا، لذا من الأفضل طي هذه الصفحة الأليمة من تاريخ الوطن، ومن تاريخ العلاقة بين الأفرقاء، لأن فتح الملفات القديمة لا يفيد أحداً بل يعيد نكء الجراح والعصبيات، ولا يمكن ان يشفي غليل أحد. فلا محاسبة، لأن أعواد المشانق اذا رفعت فقد تطال نصف اللبنانيين وثلاثة أرباع المقيمين والموجودين على أرضهم، وجميع المحتلين.

      غسان حجار
      ghassan.hajjar annahar.com.lb

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Guss,
        It was never my intention to open old wounds. I know, and have stated here many times, that Lebanese and Palestinians have suffered so much at the hands of the warlords.
        Many crimes, and massacres were committed in our names .All of them did it while claiming to be patriotic. This is wrong, and we all have to say so loudly. Many (from all sides) of the so called HEROS are nothing but war criminals.
        This subject was brought up when some comments were defending The Phalange and their history. I was trying to bring to their attention that denial is not the way.
        I was also protesting the young Gemayels insistence on being proud of their party’s history when they didn’t have to do that. Both could have started their political lives, without having to take responsibility of their fathers’ actions..
        I HOPE WE ALL CAN BE HONEST AND EXAMINE WHAT ALL PARTIES COMMITTED AND ADMIT THEIR FAULTS. I’M SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING, AND DEFENDING LEADERS AND PARTIES BLINDLY

  24. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Killing of innocent people was not only done by the phalange party. Many times, at this site, I criticized Amal, Jumblat, Bashir, Gageaa, Hubeika,the PLO, the Syrians, and all the others who killed innocent people for no reasons , or for sectarian reasons. I’ve called all the warlords who were in charge during the civil wars criminals. I never defended, and will never defend any of them.

    Often times I talked about the brutality and the abuse of the PLO.

    My views of the Syrian control and abuse are well known. I have family members who were killed by the Syrian as well. I’ve posted few comments that showed my anger and distain for all the warlords and their behavior.

    The criminal behavior of the other parties should not be used as an excuse for the criminal behavior, and the treason plans of Bashir . It was not Kamal jumblat who started killing people because of their faiths, It was not Berri who killed Christians or Druz at that time because of their faith. It was the phalange Party who started killing innocent people because; they were either Muslims or druz, or even Christians who didn’t agree with the plans.

    Yes the druz, Amal, the PLO, and others engaged in killing innocent people innocent people.

    I’m not excusing any of them for their crimes. My comment was about traitors and treason.

    That being said, No one can deny that the phalange party, and Bashir himself, were the leading party in committing crimes against their own people for sectarian reasons.

    They even cleansed some area of non Christians in the name of defending against the PLO.

    We’re told by the new Gemayel prince, that it was a patriotic act, and a necessity.

    Yet the phalange/LF deserves the gold medal in both criminal behavior, and in treason.

    Though others later on engaged in killings, But It all started with the phalange and their massacres.

    When the phalange party was met with strong resistance by opposing Lebanese, The phalange party invited Syria, with the approval of the USA to save them. Once Assad moved in and saved the phalanges, they turned against the Syrians.

    So your selective memory may not be a good excuse either.

    The phalange party used the PLO presences an excuse to execute an Israeli/CIA plan to install Bashir as president, ensure that the PLO is toothless, and subdue all the leftist and Muslim groups (who supported the Palestinian cause), and then sign a peace treaty with Israel, that would give Israel total control of our airspace, intelligence, observation stations on the high Lebanese mountains, and foreign policy, among other things.

    If this is not treason, I don’t know what is.

    HA was not even born, The Iranian revolution was not born, all of the stupid excuses that some people use to defend Basir’s criminal record, and his treason are not good excuses either.

    After Bshir’s assassination, His Brother Amin carried the torch of killing and treason. He still received the backing of Israelis and the Regan administration. While he was president, people were disappearing at the hands of his intelligence.

    Not to mention Sabra and shatila. Some people would love to believe that all people who were murdered in sabra and shatila had committee suicide.

    The new generation of Gemayel is asking us to give those medals for the criminal, and treason history of their family and party. Those two Gemayle kids had a chance to start clean. Neither one of them was responsible for any of their parents history. They didn’t have to be proud of the crimes committed by basher and Amin.

    Traitors and spies have been found in all communities in Lebanon. In the south, many shiia worked with the Israelis as well. Too bad HA didn’t insist on hanging all of them. Maybe they would have been a good lessons o others. Having said that, I don’t hear any Muslim or shiia leader saying he is proud of those traitors, or giving them excuses. Only our “royal” Gemayel family is proud of its treason and criminal history.

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      and this is just in from annahar ,also
      لا شيء يبرر ما حصل من مجازر في مخيمي صبرا وشاتيلا وأودى بمئات، أو ربما بآلاف الفلسطينيين، ذبحاً ورمياً بالرصاص. انها جريمة إنسانية بحق، والإنسان المؤمن لا يميز بالروح بين عربي وأعجمي، بين لبناني وفلسطيني، والإيمان هنا، هو إيمان بالإنسان، القيمة الأغلى.
      لكن الذي حصل في صبرا وشاتيلا، لم يكن حادثة يتيمة في زمن الحرب، لا في لبنان ولا في غيره من دول عربية، ولم تقتصر حوادث الغدر والقتل على الفلسطينيين من دون اللبنانيين، فحرب الجبل ماثلة أمام عيون الكثيرين ممن نجت أعناقهم من الفؤوس، وظلت عيونهم عالقة تحت الجبين. وتهجير الدامور لا يمحى من الذاكرة، وقرى شرق صيدا شاهدة على القتل، وكذلك القاع ومشغرة، وحصار دير القمر وزحلة والأشرفية، والسيارات المفخخة التي أودت بالكثيرين.
      في المقابل حروب “أمل” على المخيمات، وتعاونها مع الإشتراكي للنيل من “المرابطون” ومحاولة “حزب الله” القضاء على معاقل القومي والشيوعي.
      وماذا عن تل الزعتر، والنبعة…؟
      ان ما جرى بأيد اجرامية ملونة الرايات لا يختلف عن مجزرة صبرا وشاتيلا، لذا من الأفضل طي هذه الصفحة الأليمة من تاريخ الوطن، ومن تاريخ العلاقة بين الأفرقاء، لأن فتح الملفات القديمة لا يفيد أحداً بل يعيد نكء الجراح والعصبيات، ولا يمكن ان يشفي غليل أحد. فلا محاسبة، لأن أعواد المشانق اذا رفعت فقد تطال نصف اللبنانيين وثلاثة أرباع المقيمين والموجودين على أرضهم، وجميع المحتلين.

      غسان حجار
      ghassan.hajjar annahar.com.lb

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Guss,

        It was never my intention to open old wounds. I know, and have stated here many times, that Lebanese and Palestinians have suffered so much at the hands of the warlords.

        Many crimes, and massacres were committed in our names .All of them did it while claiming to be patriotic. This is wrong, and we all have to say so loudly. Many (from all sides) of the so called HEROS are nothing but war criminals.

        This subject was brought up when some comments were defending The Phalange and their history. I was trying to bring to their attention that denial is not the way.

        I was also protesting the young Gemayels insistence on being proud of their party’s history when they didn’t have to do that. Both could have started their political lives, without having to take responsibility of their fathers’ actions..

        I HOPE WE ALL CAN BE HONEST AND EXAMINE WHAT ALL PARTIES COMMITTED AND ADMIT THEIR FAULTS. I’M SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING, AND DEFENDING LEADERS AND PARTIES BLINDLY

      2. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Guss,

        It was never my intention to open old wounds. I know, and have stated here many times, that Lebanese and Palestinians have suffered so much at the hands of the warlords.

        Many crimes, and massacres were committed in our names .All of them did it while claiming to be patriotic. This is wrong, and we all have to say so loudly. Many (from all sides) of the so called HEROS are nothing but war criminals.

        This subject was brought up when some comments were defending The Phalange and their history. I was trying to bring to their attention that denial is not the way.

        I was also protesting the young Gemayels insistence on being proud of their party’s history when they didn’t have to do that. Both could have started their political lives, without having to take responsibility of their fathers’ actions..

        I HOPE WE ALL CAN BE HONEST AND EXAMINE WHAT ALL PARTIES COMMITTED AND ADMIT THEIR FAULTS. I’M SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING, AND DEFENDING LEADERS AND PARTIES BLINDLY

  25. ghaddad Avatar
    ghaddad

    Prophet you seem so intent on destroying the Christians militia and destroying Bashir Legacy. First it was not the phalangist who started the fighting? yes there were cleansing on all sides whether you twist the facts one way that’s your choice. Also in the beginning you tend to forget that the shiites in the South got tired of PLO harrassing them and raping their women they threatened to bomb israel so it retaliate against PLO. I went to several towns where it was muslims mostly and we were harrassed many times. many were kidnapped and killed. So don’t about cleansing that was going on before Bashir started all that. If Bashir was all what you said, why the israelis were mad at him in the end because he wanted to build a strong lebanon? It was not Bashir who order the massacre of Sabra and Shatilla? it was Elie Hobeika who was embraced by hezbollah and syria. They changed him around and turn him against christians? Why hezbollah and syria embraced such traitor who have collaborated with the israelis then? why do you collaborate with Aoun whom hezbollah accused of dealing with the israelis? you are so intent on discreting the phalangist and bashir you barely criticize syrian, hezbollah and amal and SSNP. And you hardly criticize your fellow hezbollah leaders whom are threatening civil strife and blood if accused by the STL? now they’re saying whoever side with the STL better be Panic Stricking.. what kind of thug and criminal talk is this? why do you not criticize them and even attack them for such behavior. its my right to believe that the STL is right or wrong. why do hezbollah want to kill those people who are not attacking them personally? i am not going to deny the past of the militias. i’ve seen blood drawn on both sides and i condemned for the ugly crimes committed. but when i bring the current situation you bring bashir as if you’re trying to hide something. Look all over the news site and look at hezbollah and their supporters across the sectarian lines. they’re all threatening blood and chaos? if you truly love lebanon then the least you can do is criticize them and even attack them. I frankly did not like Rafiq Hariri but when he died along with others i was very sad and distraught and disgusted. But many people like you were i bet jouvial and happy to see him go. stop attacking lebanese and stop threatening blood and war. No one is attacking them, so why are you spreading fear and terror? attack those thugs who went to the airport to protect a prosecutor who totured and killed many innocent lebanese. Even yesterday pictures of Aoun supporters and including LF supporters were being beaten during this monster days. why are you protecting a criminal? to you Bashir was a traitor who dealt with the israelis. This monster and even many hezbollah gave false and man informations about lebanese to syrian and iranians. then i want to hear you say that these scums are traitors too. But i bet you can’t because you don’t have in you to truthfully say it. You and I know that you support hezbollah because first you’re a shiite and second you mentioned before they saved you. but you can’t ignore their brutal acts after they freed the south from lebanon. But now they want to compile more wars because of the disputed farms. well these farms i do not see a legal document or syrian signing these documents that these are ours. I studied the history and geography of all lebanon and I was left to the US after the War started these farms then we were never told they were lebanese territory. Even if the farms were handed over and ghajar, hezbollah want to come up with execuse they want to free palestine from the jews and on and on to keep their arms intact. And keep their hegimony over lebanese.. when is terror is going to end? Bashir is dead and so are the phalangist? who is your enemy in lebanon? you don’t kill hariri and many more and then thumb your finger in their nose and threaten civil wars. if you’re not guilty then i dare you to fight in court on the streets of Lebanon. We don’t no war with hezbollah but why are you forcing us into one? don’t tell me we’re not, because all these hezbollah leaders and supporters are threatening war in lebanon. Remind of a story of the wolf and little lamb. I am not going into details with it. But when the Lamb was drinking water from the Spring a Wolf Saw him and said this is my lucky day to eat this Lamb. The wolf continued, “You are also dirtying water. How will I drink this polluted water now?”

    “But the spring flows from where you are standing down to where I am standing, Sir!” said the lamb, in a meek voice. The wolf was surprised to hear such an intelligent answer from the lamb. But the wolf was just looking for an excuse to kill the lamb. “How dare you argue with me? I think you are the same lamb who had abused me last year,” the wolf shouted.

    “Last year? Bur Sir, I was not even born then!” the lamb squeaked. The lamb feared that the wolf was looking after a pretext to kill the lamb. The lamb became cautious of its words and gestures. This way both the lamb and the wolf talked to each other cautiously.

    The bottom line Prophet is that the Wold hezbollah will try to find every execuse to get out of the STL. And their ways is like the Wolf, either you submit to me or i will kill you. Either way we’re dead. that’s why you see me attacking hezbollah now. Next anyone who hurts any innocent lebanese including those monsters on the March 14th side who stole money from lebanon. I will not stop until I and others try to bring peace, harmoney and prosperity to lebanese.

  26. ghaddad Avatar
    ghaddad

    Prophet you seem so intent on destroying the Christians militia and destroying Bashir Legacy. First it was not the phalangist who started the fighting? yes there were cleansing on all sides whether you twist the facts one way that’s your choice. Also in the beginning you tend to forget that the shiites in the South got tired of PLO harrassing them and raping their women they threatened to bomb israel so it retaliate against PLO. I went to several towns where it was muslims mostly and we were harrassed many times. many were kidnapped and killed. So don’t about cleansing that was going on before Bashir started all that. If Bashir was all what you said, why the israelis were mad at him in the end because he wanted to build a strong lebanon? It was not Bashir who order the massacre of Sabra and Shatilla? it was Elie Hobeika who was embraced by hezbollah and syria. They changed him around and turn him against christians? Why hezbollah and syria embraced such traitor who have collaborated with the israelis then? why do you collaborate with Aoun whom hezbollah accused of dealing with the israelis? you are so intent on discreting the phalangist and bashir you barely criticize syrian, hezbollah and amal and SSNP. And you hardly criticize your fellow hezbollah leaders whom are threatening civil strife and blood if accused by the STL? now they’re saying whoever side with the STL better be Panic Stricking.. what kind of thug and criminal talk is this? why do you not criticize them and even attack them for such behavior. its my right to believe that the STL is right or wrong. why do hezbollah want to kill those people who are not attacking them personally? i am not going to deny the past of the militias. i’ve seen blood drawn on both sides and i condemned for the ugly crimes committed. but when i bring the current situation you bring bashir as if you’re trying to hide something. Look all over the news site and look at hezbollah and their supporters across the sectarian lines. they’re all threatening blood and chaos? if you truly love lebanon then the least you can do is criticize them and even attack them. I frankly did not like Rafiq Hariri but when he died along with others i was very sad and distraught and disgusted. But many people like you were i bet jouvial and happy to see him go. stop attacking lebanese and stop threatening blood and war. No one is attacking them, so why are you spreading fear and terror? attack those thugs who went to the airport to protect a prosecutor who totured and killed many innocent lebanese. Even yesterday pictures of Aoun supporters and including LF supporters were being beaten during this monster days. why are you protecting a criminal? to you Bashir was a traitor who dealt with the israelis. This monster and even many hezbollah gave false and man informations about lebanese to syrian and iranians. then i want to hear you say that these scums are traitors too. But i bet you can’t because you don’t have in you to truthfully say it. You and I know that you support hezbollah because first you’re a shiite and second you mentioned before they saved you. but you can’t ignore their brutal acts after they freed the south from lebanon. But now they want to compile more wars because of the disputed farms. well these farms i do not see a legal document or syrian signing these documents that these are ours. I studied the history and geography of all lebanon and I was left to the US after the War started these farms then we were never told they were lebanese territory. Even if the farms were handed over and ghajar, hezbollah want to come up with execuse they want to free palestine from the jews and on and on to keep their arms intact. And keep their hegimony over lebanese.. when is terror is going to end? Bashir is dead and so are the phalangist? who is your enemy in lebanon? you don’t kill hariri and many more and then thumb your finger in their nose and threaten civil wars. if you’re not guilty then i dare you to fight in court on the streets of Lebanon. We don’t no war with hezbollah but why are you forcing us into one? don’t tell me we’re not, because all these hezbollah leaders and supporters are threatening war in lebanon. Remind of a story of the wolf and little lamb. I am not going into details with it. But when the Lamb was drinking water from the Spring a Wolf Saw him and said this is my lucky day to eat this Lamb. The wolf continued, “You are also dirtying water. How will I drink this polluted water now?”

    “But the spring flows from where you are standing down to where I am standing, Sir!” said the lamb, in a meek voice. The wolf was surprised to hear such an intelligent answer from the lamb. But the wolf was just looking for an excuse to kill the lamb. “How dare you argue with me? I think you are the same lamb who had abused me last year,” the wolf shouted.

    “Last year? Bur Sir, I was not even born then!” the lamb squeaked. The lamb feared that the wolf was looking after a pretext to kill the lamb. The lamb became cautious of its words and gestures. This way both the lamb and the wolf talked to each other cautiously.

    The bottom line Prophet is that the Wold hezbollah will try to find every execuse to get out of the STL. And their ways is like the Wolf, either you submit to me or i will kill you. Either way we’re dead. that’s why you see me attacking hezbollah now. Next anyone who hurts any innocent lebanese including those monsters on the March 14th side who stole money from lebanon. I will not stop until I and others try to bring peace, harmoney and prosperity to lebanese.

  27. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Prophet you seem so intent on destroying the Christians militia and destroying Bashir Legacy. First it was not the phalangist who started the fighting? yes there were cleansing on all sides whether you twist the facts one way that’s your choice. Also in the beginning you tend to forget that the shiites in the South got tired of PLO harrassing them and raping their women they threatened to bomb israel so it retaliate against PLO. I went to several towns where it was muslims mostly and we were harrassed many times. many were kidnapped and killed. So don’t about cleansing that was going on before Bashir started all that. If Bashir was all what you said, why the israelis were mad at him in the end because he wanted to build a strong lebanon? It was not Bashir who order the massacre of Sabra and Shatilla? it was Elie Hobeika who was embraced by hezbollah and syria. They changed him around and turn him against christians? Why hezbollah and syria embraced such traitor who have collaborated with the israelis then? why do you collaborate with Aoun whom hezbollah accused of dealing with the israelis? you are so intent on discreting the phalangist and bashir you barely criticize syrian, hezbollah and amal and SSNP. And you hardly criticize your fellow hezbollah leaders whom are threatening civil strife and blood if accused by the STL? now they’re saying whoever side with the STL better be Panic Stricking.. what kind of thug and criminal talk is this? why do you not criticize them and even attack them for such behavior. its my right to believe that the STL is right or wrong. why do hezbollah want to kill those people who are not attacking them personally? i am not going to deny the past of the militias. i’ve seen blood drawn on both sides and i condemned for the ugly crimes committed. but when i bring the current situation you bring bashir as if you’re trying to hide something. Look all over the news site and look at hezbollah and their supporters across the sectarian lines. they’re all threatening blood and chaos? if you truly love lebanon then the least you can do is criticize them and even attack them. I frankly did not like Rafiq Hariri but when he died along with others i was very sad and distraught and disgusted. But many people like you were i bet jouvial and happy to see him go. stop attacking lebanese and stop threatening blood and war. No one is attacking them, so why are you spreading fear and terror? attack those thugs who went to the airport to protect a prosecutor who totured and killed many innocent lebanese. Even yesterday pictures of Aoun supporters and including LF supporters were being beaten during this monster days. why are you protecting a criminal? to you Bashir was a traitor who dealt with the israelis. This monster and even many hezbollah gave false and man informations about lebanese to syrian and iranians. then i want to hear you say that these scums are traitors too. But i bet you can’t because you don’t have in you to truthfully say it. You and I know that you support hezbollah because first you’re a shiite and second you mentioned before they saved you. but you can’t ignore their brutal acts after they freed the south from lebanon. But now they want to compile more wars because of the disputed farms. well these farms i do not see a legal document or syrian signing these documents that these are ours. I studied the history and geography of all lebanon and I was left to the US after the War started these farms then we were never told they were lebanese territory. Even if the farms were handed over and ghajar, hezbollah want to come up with execuse they want to free palestine from the jews and on and on to keep their arms intact. And keep their hegimony over lebanese.. when is terror is going to end? Bashir is dead and so are the phalangist? who is your enemy in lebanon? you don’t kill hariri and many more and then thumb your finger in their nose and threaten civil wars. if you’re not guilty then i dare you to fight in court on the streets of Lebanon. We don’t no war with hezbollah but why are you forcing us into one? don’t tell me we’re not, because all these hezbollah leaders and supporters are threatening war in lebanon. Remind of a story of the wolf and little lamb. I am not going into details with it. But when the Lamb was drinking water from the Spring a Wolf Saw him and said this is my lucky day to eat this Lamb. The wolf continued, “You are also dirtying water. How will I drink this polluted water now?”

    “But the spring flows from where you are standing down to where I am standing, Sir!” said the lamb, in a meek voice. The wolf was surprised to hear such an intelligent answer from the lamb. But the wolf was just looking for an excuse to kill the lamb. “How dare you argue with me? I think you are the same lamb who had abused me last year,” the wolf shouted.

    “Last year? Bur Sir, I was not even born then!” the lamb squeaked. The lamb feared that the wolf was looking after a pretext to kill the lamb. The lamb became cautious of its words and gestures. This way both the lamb and the wolf talked to each other cautiously.

    The bottom line Prophet is that the Wold hezbollah will try to find every execuse to get out of the STL. And their ways is like the Wolf, either you submit to me or i will kill you. Either way we’re dead. that’s why you see me attacking hezbollah now. Next anyone who hurts any innocent lebanese including those monsters on the March 14th side who stole money from lebanon. I will not stop until I and others try to bring peace, harmoney and prosperity to lebanese.

  28. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    How often it is that the angry man rages denial of what his inner self is telling him.Yes people in the south suffered at the hands of PLO. The fact that the PLO abused all Lebanese, and not only those who live in the south, should never have be an excuse for hatred toward Palestinians in general, nor should it be an excuse, to advocate murder of innocent Palestinian civilians.The Palestinian cause is a Nobel cause, though Palestinians have been their own worst enemies. The behavior of PLO in Lebanon does not change the fact that Palestinians have the right to retake their occupied land, and the right to self determination.I can’t understand how killing few thousand Lebanese on black Saturday (1975) could have been in defense against the plo presence and abuse. People can twist words, but the facts are there. No one can change the facts or the number of murdered at the hand of phalange party that day.Is that a legacy I’m supposed to be proud of?There is no denial that all PLO military attacks from south Lebanon had resulted in Israeli retaliations against Lebanese villages.I WONDER WHO WAS IN POWER WHEN THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT APPORVED THE CAIRO AGRREMENT. It was not HA OR AMAL, OR SSNP, and OR IRAN. It was a phalange; President Hulou.Was I, as a southerner given a choice? Was I Asked? No, to both questions. But some find it convenient to blame the southerners, when our government abandoned them before ,and after the PLO presence. When the residents of Beirut were Fighting Israelis, It was that same “legacy” helping the Israeli siege of their city.When Israel invaded Lebanon in 1978, it was the same “legacy” sending fighters from the north to the south to control what was known as “the security zone”.Those fighters were sent by Bashir himself. They killed many people, imprisoned many others. Was that part of “building a strong Lebanon”? Who are they kidding?Criticizing other criminals and warlords (I’ve always and will always criticize them) Will not change the shameful facts of that “legacy”.Our biggest Lebanese party was in bed with our enemy, and now they want me to believe in the idea of state where the traitors have the first ,and final word.That being said, people have to remember that Israeli attacks against south Lebanon had been taken place since 1948. Israel committed a number of massacres against south Lebanese villages, years before the Palestinians established any military presence. To name few, HOULA (1948,and 1967),Aitaroun(1947,1070)Israel had occupied 7 Lebanese villages in 1948. In Each one of those villages, massacres took place. In the village of salha, Israelis rounded up hundreds of innocent civilians at the mosque, and shot them all in cold blood.Those days are gone. No one defended us, no one protected us, and when we defend our selves, we become “Un-Lebanese” in the eyes of some. SO WHAT?I’D RATHER BE CALLED UN-LEBANESE INSTEAD OF DEAD LEBANESE.I’D RATHER BE CALLED UN-LEBANESE INSTEAD OF DEFEATED LEBANESE.Gone are the days where traitors decide who is a true Lebanese and who is not. THAT IS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE OR POSSIBLE.Wether it is bashir of Hubeika or Gegga, they are all product of the same racist mentality. The fact that Hubeika was recruited by the Syrians does not relif him of any responsibility his crimes, nor does it relief the Syrians of their crimes or their embraces of criminal like Hubeika.Would the criminal record of Bashir or Gegga or Hubeika become less criminal, if I criticize other criminals? Not really, a criminal is always remembered as criminal, and a traitor will always be remembered as traitor. No matter who or what religion he or she belongs to.All warlords should be tried for crimes against humanity. The fact that I mention Bashir the most is because, the debate started with the false claim that he wanted a sovereign, strong Lebanon. A sovereign state can’t not be built at the cost of cleaning your own people because of their religion or ideology, nor can it be established by riding the enemy’s tank to power. To those who say Bashir had a dream, I say thank God his dream is dead. That dream cost Lebanon over 100,000 people, and total destruction. To those who call it a legacy, they should be ashamed of themselves.Am I supposed to believe that a traitor who kills his own people, and helps the enemy to kill his own people has a legacy? Hell no. It is what it is a; treason and criminality.Those who call it legacies are in denial, and are in a state of wishful thinking. I urge them to re-examine their conscious, and their past.We still have to live with each other in this country no matter what.For us to rebuild this country, we need to be honest about our past and presence.If my misery is your legacy, we’re back to square one. If treason is a point of view, then we have to re-define patriotism and national identity.The clock will never be turned back.With all the mistakes that everyone had done, we can still rebuild this country for all of our children. People will forget and forgive, but do not ask me to be proud of that trason history. Do not tell me they did what they did because they were patriotic Lebanese. I won’t accept that. I’ll forgive, but don’t tell me you are proud of that history. Put the damn issue to bed. The more they bring it up, the worse this debate would become.That dream cost us so much, so would the children of that dream, unless they realize that it was a nightmare.

    1. guss043 Avatar
      guss043

      Don’t talk much about massacres , we all know who started them , and who started them is not the Christians and definitely you are twisting the truth and ignore history because I will remind you, 3 innocent christians coming from a rally in Kuwait were killed in summer of 1975 aat the hand of the Amal or other shiite group in nearby Zahle, there was no killing yet al Hawiye, a monk in Tripoli was tied to bed and his eyes taken out , Majzaret Beit mellet Lebanon over 30 Christians slaughtered like sheep North of Lebanon , Ali Sefouan ( Ibn Kal ) in Nabaa kidnapped and killed unknown numbers of Christians , this all before the Christians lost their mind , Black saturday was done while Pierre Gemayel was visiting Syria 3 christians men were kidnapped and killed and Christian lsot their head ( which I dont agree with ).
      There is no logic or good honorable wars, but the PLO humiliated the Lebanese ,Killed and Kidnapped lEBANES EPEOPLE SINCE 1968 , the 1968 and 1973 war with the army was the result of Kidnapping and killing Lebanese soldiers , we are not dead to forge yet, You are trying to show you are reasonable man in this forum but you are fulkl of it , you are a fanatic playing game under , Is it ok for a Lebanese to be kidnapped or have a checkpoint at the hand of the PLO gangs in our country ?!!!!! to what result the PLO took us and the support they got from the Lebanese moslems to kill the Christians, when you say the road of Jerusalem pass by Jounieh you will have to suffer the consequences , and the people who start making a state inside the state are to blame, King of Jordan massacred 20,000 Palestinian in 1970 because thy were having graffiti down with the king, the did what they did to Lebanon or worst until he got fedup , do not twist the truth, No one mention the massacre of Hosein even he throw NAPALM on them in the Jarash mountain and killed them by thousands while escaping , and you know what because moselm killing a moslem is not a big deal, when Bashir was elected Abu Ayyad told him and I quote we will get yo in your Palace , when people talk this way they have to take the responsibility of their actions as not all people are normally sain in wartime, every war recorded massacres but don’t eve rput the blame on the Christians Lebanese, the Palestinian people most of them were camping on lands given away to them by the Christians churches, from tel el zaatar to Dibayeh, to Rashideye . Need to say that the Mourabitoun and Ali Safwan never let go alive any christian they caught , in Black saturday many people protected the moslems, go ask the Electrical Company employees what they did when militiamen entered the company trying to take moslems , they formed a human barrier to stop them . Palestinians played and still playing with fire and they are capable to learn a lesson or form even a temporary sTATE in Gaza to show the world that they are capable to build a state, most Palestinian business men in Gaza are cursing the day Israel left and that is the case with them always. Before the 1975 war started the head of the Maronite monks back then met with Arafat and told him , if you think to do to Lebanon what you did to Jordan and think to take the country with the help of the left and moslem Lebanese ,I will tell you one thing, Lebanon will be your end , as for 15oo years we had to cultivate land that is not cultivable and we had the sheep and our rifle , and we will fight you with all our means and you will lose , and this is exactly what happened , and same apply now for whoever dream to venture , we will not give away only on our dead body our land, not for Arafat not for Ibrahim Kleilat anot for the sum of earth Ali Safwan or Abu Kalb Ayyad, and not for the new Darius emperor Najjad and his Iranian divson in Lebanon , we protected the Arabic language in our monasteries ,go to Wadi Kannoubine and Mar Kizhaya and we will not allow Nasrallah to Persianise our nation Ever and ever !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  29. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    How often it is that the angry man rages denial of what his inner self is telling him.Yes people in the south suffered at the hands of PLO. The fact that the PLO abused all Lebanese, and not only those who live in the south, should never have be an excuse for hatred toward Palestinians in general, nor should it be an excuse, to advocate murder of innocent Palestinian civilians.The Palestinian cause is a Nobel cause, though Palestinians have been their own worst enemies. The behavior of PLO in Lebanon does not change the fact that Palestinians have the right to retake their occupied land, and the right to self determination.I can’t understand how killing few thousand Lebanese on black Saturday (1975) could have been in defense against the plo presence and abuse. People can twist words, but the facts are there. No one can change the facts or the number of murdered at the hand of phalange party that day.Is that a legacy I’m supposed to be proud of?There is no denial that all PLO military attacks from south Lebanon had resulted in Israeli retaliations against Lebanese villages.I WONDER WHO WAS IN POWER WHEN THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT APPORVED THE CAIRO AGRREMENT. It was not HA OR AMAL, OR SSNP, and OR IRAN. It was a phalange; President Hulou.Was I, as a southerner given a choice? Was I Asked? No, to both questions. But some find it convenient to blame the southerners, when our government abandoned them before ,and after the PLO presence. When the residents of Beirut were Fighting Israelis, It was that same “legacy” helping the Israeli siege of their city.When Israel invaded Lebanon in 1978, it was the same “legacy” sending fighters from the north to the south to control what was known as “the security zone”.Those fighters were sent by Bashir himself. They killed many people, imprisoned many others. Was that part of “building a strong Lebanon”? Who are they kidding?Criticizing other criminals and warlords (I’ve always and will always criticize them) Will not change the shameful facts of that “legacy”.Our biggest Lebanese party was in bed with our enemy, and now they want me to believe in the idea of state where the traitors have the first ,and final word.That being said, people have to remember that Israeli attacks against south Lebanon had been taken place since 1948. Israel committed a number of massacres against south Lebanese villages, years before the Palestinians established any military presence. To name few, HOULA (1948,and 1967),Aitaroun(1947,1070)Israel had occupied 7 Lebanese villages in 1948. In Each one of those villages, massacres took place. In the village of salha, Israelis rounded up hundreds of innocent civilians at the mosque, and shot them all in cold blood.Those days are gone. No one defended us, no one protected us, and when we defend our selves, we become “Un-Lebanese” in the eyes of some. SO WHAT?I’D RATHER BE CALLED UN-LEBANESE INSTEAD OF DEAD LEBANESE.I’D RATHER BE CALLED UN-LEBANESE INSTEAD OF DEFEATED LEBANESE.Gone are the days where traitors decide who is a true Lebanese and who is not. THAT IS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE OR POSSIBLE.Wether it is bashir of Hubeika or Gegga, they are all product of the same racist mentality. The fact that Hubeika was recruited by the Syrians does not relif him of any responsibility his crimes, nor does it relief the Syrians of their crimes or their embraces of criminal like Hubeika.Would the criminal record of Bashir or Gegga or Hubeika become less criminal, if I criticize other criminals? Not really, a criminal is always remembered as criminal, and a traitor will always be remembered as traitor. No matter who or what religion he or she belongs to.All warlords should be tried for crimes against humanity. The fact that I mention Bashir the most is because, the debate started with the false claim that he wanted a sovereign, strong Lebanon. A sovereign state can’t not be built at the cost of cleaning your own people because of their religion or ideology, nor can it be established by riding the enemy’s tank to power. To those who say Bashir had a dream, I say thank God his dream is dead. That dream cost Lebanon over 100,000 people, and total destruction. To those who call it a legacy, they should be ashamed of themselves.Am I supposed to believe that a traitor who kills his own people, and helps the enemy to kill his own people has a legacy? Hell no. It is what it is a; treason and criminality.Those who call it legacies are in denial, and are in a state of wishful thinking. I urge them to re-examine their conscious, and their past.We still have to live with each other in this country no matter what.For us to rebuild this country, we need to be honest about our past and presence.If my misery is your legacy, we’re back to square one. If treason is a point of view, then we have to re-define patriotism and national identity.The clock will never be turned back.With all the mistakes that everyone had done, we can still rebuild this country for all of our children. People will forget and forgive, but do not ask me to be proud of that trason history. Do not tell me they did what they did because they were patriotic Lebanese. I won’t accept that. I’ll forgive, but don’t tell me you are proud of that history. Put the damn issue to bed. The more they bring it up, the worse this debate would become.That dream cost us so much, so would the children of that dream, unless they realize that it was a nightmare.

  30. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    How often it is that the angry man rages denial of what his inner self is telling him.

    Yes people in the south suffered at the hands of PLO. The fact that the PLO abused all Lebanese, and not only those who live in the south, should never have be an excuse for hatred toward Palestinians in general, nor should it be an excuse, to advocate murder of innocent Palestinian civilians.

    The Palestinian cause is a Nobel cause, though Palestinians have been their own worst enemies. The behavior of PLO in Lebanon does not change the fact that Palestinians have the right to retake their occupied land, and the right to self determination.

    I can’t understand how killing few thousand Lebanese on black Saturday (1975) could have been in defense against the plo presence and abuse.

    People can twist words, but the facts are there. No one can change the facts or the number of murdered at the hand of phalange party that day.

    Is that a legacy I’m supposed to be proud of?

    There is no denial that all PLO military attacks from south Lebanon had resulted in Israeli retaliations against Lebanese villages.

    I WONDER WHO WAS IN POWER WHEN THE LEBANESE GOVERNMENT APPORVED THE CAIRO AGRREMENT.

    It was not HA OR AMAL, OR SSNP, and OR IRAN. It was a phalange; President Hulou.

    Was I, as a southerner given a choice? Was I Asked? No, to both questions.

    But some find it convenient to blame the southerners, when our government abandoned before and after the PLO presence. When the residents of Beirut were

    Fighting Israelis, It was that same “legacy” helping the Israeli siege of their city.

    When Israel invaded Lebanon in 1978, it was the same “legacy” sending fighters from the north to the south to control what was known as “the security zone”.

    Those fighters were sent by Bashir himself. They killed many people, imprisoned many others. Was that part of “building a strong Lebanon”? Who are they kidding?

    Criticizing other criminals and warlords (I’ve always and will always criticize them) Will not change the shameful facts of that “legacy”.

    Our biggest Lebanese party was in bed with our enemy, and now they want me to believe in the idea of state where the traitors have the first say.

    That being said, people have to remember that Israeli attacks against south Lebanon had been taken place since 1948.

    Israel committed a number of massacres against south Lebanese villages, years before the Palestinians established any military presence. To name few, HOULA (1948,and 1967),Aitaroun(1947,1070)

    Israel had occupied 7 Lebanese villages in 1948. In Each one of those villages, massacres took place. In the village of salha, Israelis rounded up hundreds of innocent civilians at the mosque, and shot them all in cold blood.

    Those days are gone. No one defended us, no one protected us, and when we defend our selves, we become “Un-Lebanese” in the eyes of some. SO WHAT?

    I’D RATHER BE CALLED UN-LEBANESE INSTEAD OF DEAD LEBANESE.

    I’D RATHER BE CALLED UN-LEBANESE INSTEAD OF DEFEATED LEBANESE.

    Gone are the days where traitors decide who is a true Lebanese and who is not. THAT IS NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE OR POSSIBLE.

    Wether it is bashir of Hubeika or Gegga, they are all product of the same racist mentality. The fact that Hubeika was recruited by the Syrians does not relif him of any responsibility his crimes, nor does it relief the Syrians of their crimes or their embraces of criminal like Hubeika.

    Would the criminal record of Bashir or Gegga or Hubeika become less criminal, if I criticize other criminals? Not really, a criminal is always remembered as criminal, and a traitor will always be remembered as traitor. No matter who or what religion he or she belongs to.

    All warlords should be tried for crimes against humanity.

    The fact that I mention Bashir the most is because, the debate started with the false claim that he wanted a sovereign, strong Lebanon.

    A sovereign state can’t not be built at the cost of cleaning your own people because of their religion or ideology, nor can it be established by riding the enemy’s tank to power. To those who say Bashir had a dream, I say thank God his dream is dead. That dream cost Lebanon over 100,000 people, and total destruction.

    To those who call it a legacy, they should be ashamed of themselves.

    Am I supposed to believe that a traitor who kills his own people, and helps the enemy to kill his own people has a legacy? Hell no. It is what it is a; treason and criminality.

    Those who call it legacies are in denial, and are in a state of wishful thinking. I urge them to re-examine their conscious, and their past.

    We still have to live with each other in this country no matter what.

    For us to rebuild this country, we need to be honest about our past and presence.

    If my misery is your legacy, we’re back to square one. If treason is a point of view, then we have to re-define patriotism and national identity.

    The clock will never be turned back.

    With all the mistakes that everyone had done, we can still rebuild this country for all of our children. People will forget and forgive, but do not ask me to be proud of that trason history. Do not tell me they did what they did because they were patriotic Lebanese. I won’t accept that. I’ll forgive, but don’t tell me you are proud of that history. Put the damn issue to bed. The more they bring it up, the worse this debate would become.

    The dream cost us, so would the children of that dream, unless they realize that it was a nightmare.

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      Don’t talk much about massacres , we all know who started them , and who started them is not the Christians and definitely you are twisting the truth and ignore history because I will remind you, 3 innocent christians coming from a rally in Kuwait were killed in summer of 1975 aat the hand of the Amal or other shiite group in nearby Zahle, there was no killing yet al Hawiye, a monk in Tripoli was tied to bed and his eyes taken out , Majzaret Beit mellet Lebanon over 30 Christians slaughtered like sheep North of Lebanon , Ali Sefouan ( Ibn Kal ) in Nabaa kidnapped and killed unknown numbers of Christians , this all before the Christians lost their mind , Black saturday was done while Pierre Gemayel was visiting Syria 3 christians men were kidnapped and killed and Christian lsot their head ( which I dont agree with ).
      There is no logic or good honorable wars, but the PLO humiliated the Lebanese ,Killed and Kidnapped lEBANES EPEOPLE SINCE 1968 , the 1968 and 1973 war with the army was the result of Kidnapping and killing Lebanese soldiers , we are not dead to forge yet, You are trying to show you are reasonable man in this forum but you are fulkl of it , you are a fanatic playing game under , Is it ok for a Lebanese to be kidnapped or have a checkpoint at the hand of the PLO gangs in our country ?!!!!! to what result the PLO took us and the support they got from the Lebanese moslems to kill the Christians, when you say the road of Jerusalem pass by Jounieh you will have to suffer the consequences , and the people who start making a state inside the state are to blame, King of Jordan massacred 20,000 Palestinian in 1970 because thy were having graffiti down with the king, the did what they did to Lebanon or worst until he got fedup , do not twist the truth, No one mention the massacre of Hosein even he throw NAPALM on them in the Jarash mountain and killed them by thousands while escaping , and you know what because moselm killing a moslem is not a big deal, when Bashir was elected Abu Ayyad told him and I quote we will get yo in your Palace , when people talk this way they have to take the responsibility of their actions as not all people are normally sain in wartime, every war recorded massacres but don’t eve rput the blame on the Christians Lebanese, the Palestinian people most of them were camping on lands given away to them by the Christians churches, from tel el zaatar to Dibayeh, to Rashideye . Need to say that the Mourabitoun and Ali Safwan never let go alive any christian they caught , in Black saturday many people protected the moslems, go ask the Electrical Company employees what they did when militiamen entered the company trying to take moslems , they formed a human barrier to stop them . Palestinians played and still playing with fire and they are capable to learn a lesson or form even a temporary sTATE in Gaza to show the world that they are capable to build a state, most Palestinian business men in Gaza are cursing the day Israel left and that is the case with them always. Before the 1975 war started the head of the Maronite monks back then met with Arafat and told him , if you think to do to Lebanon what you did to Jordan and think to take the country with the help of the left and moslem Lebanese ,I will tell you one thing, Lebanon will be your end , as for 15oo years we had to cultivate land that is not cultivable and we had the sheep and our rifle , and we will fight you with all our means and you will lose , and this is exactly what happened , and same apply now for whoever dream to venture , we will not give away only on our dead body our land, not for Arafat not for Ibrahim Kleilat anot for the sum of earth Ali Safwan or Abu Kalb Ayyad, and not for the new Darius emperor Najjad and his Iranian divson in Lebanon , we protected the Arabic language in our monasteries ,go to Wadi Kannoubine and Mar Kizhaya and we will not allow Nasrallah to Persianise our nation Ever and ever !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    PROPHET.T

    How funny and desperate is this accusation that my comments are meant to destroy the Christian militia of Bashir Gemayel, and his “legacy”.
    Is this how weak this “legacy” is?
    I bet those who believe in this “legacy” would know better, and that could be the reason it’s touching some nerves. I could see the call naming, and the cursing coming too.
    There is no need for any action, to destroy what has already been destroyed.
    This militia destroyed Lebanon, and then destroyed itself.
    It shattered the Christian community with its miscalculations.
    It divided Lebanese society.
    It created an environment, which believes treason is a point of view.
    It’s a” legacy” that considers treason and criminality is patriotic.
    Criminality, racism, and treasons were the seeds for the destruction of a selfish dream…
    Legacies with such characteristics are always self defeating.
    It’s those who are still living in a past, they can’t escape, are the ones deceiving themselves with their own stubbornness and hatred.
    They can‘t accept realities of defeat.
    It may not be their faults; brainwashing can do magic. It’s very sad , that they have to live a miserable life, full of false hopes, and dreams.
    My advice, to those who still believe that Bashir build a “legacy”, is that, His “legacy” is nothing but an illusion in your mind only.
    Don’t misunderstand deadly miscalculations as good legacies. It’s time to wake up, and see things for what they are, and that is: your legacy is someone ‘s misery.
    For the majority of Lebanese it was a curse instead. It was a nightmare that destroyed the lives, and dreams of hundreds of thousands of Lebanese.

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    PROPHET.T

    How funny and desperate is this accusation that my comments are meant to destroy the Christian militia of Bashir Gemayel, and his “legacy”.

    Is this how weak this “legacy” is?

    I bet those who believe in this “legacy” would know better, and that could be the reason it’s touching some nerves. I could see the call naming, and the cursing coming too.

    There is no need for any action, to destroy what has already been destroyed.

    This militia destroyed Lebanon, and then destroyed itself.

    It shattered the Christian community with its miscalculations.

    It divided Lebanese society.

    It created an environment, which believes treason is a point of view.

    It’s a” legacy” that considers treason and criminality is patriotic.

    Criminality, racism, and treasons were the seeds for the destruction of a selfish dream…

    Legacies with such characteristics are always self defeating.

    It’s those who are still living in a past, they can’t escape, are the ones deceiving themselves with their own stubbornness and hatred.

    They can‘t accept realities of defeat.

    It may not be their faults; brainwashing can do magic. It’s very sad , that they have to live a miserable life, full of false hopes, and dreams.

    My advice, to those who still believe that Bashir build a “legacy”, is that, His “legacy” is nothing but an illusion in your mind only.

    Don’t misunderstand deadly miscalculations as good legacies. It’s time to wake up, and see things for what they are, and that is: your legacy is someone ‘s misery.

    For the majority of Lebanese it was a curse instead. It was a nightmare that destroyed the lives, and dreams of hundreds of thousands of Lebanese.

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