Chemical Weapons in Syria and the Moral Obligation to Act

by Ghassan Karamsyria chemical attack 21

Is there a moral obligation to do what is right? I imagine that most of us, one hopes all of us, would concur with the fact that if a wrong is done and if it is within ones power to right it then one must do so. This, very simply, is what Peter Singer, one of the world’s most influential philosophers has always argued for. He actually says that an application of the above principle would be sufficient to eliminate world poverty since the well off would give as much as it takes in order to bring up the level of welfare of the less advantaged to a level that is common to all. This very same principle can be applied, must be applied whenever the world is faced with a political situation where those that are in power maintain their hold on their populace only through fear, tyranny and intimidation. Yes, we do have a moral obligation to help alleviate the miserable living conditions whenever we can. It is not a choice but an obligation.

At times one has no choice but to sound redundant and even banal in an effort to make sure that one’s message is clear. With that in mind allow me to remind the readers of two popular sayings: (1) There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch and (2) deontological ethics. Based on the above what is implied is that if a loved one      commits a crime then that person should be responsible for the consequences of his/her act and that we should not hesitate in turning over that loved one, as much as it might hurt, to the authorities.

So what does any of the above has to do with the current Syrian situation? Allow me to submit that if one agrees with the above then the implications for those that have committed the violations in the case of unleashing chemical weapons in Syria are clear and severe. The first thing that this makes clear is that the personal association with the accused is not a valid excuse to shrink from ones moral obligation. In the same way that I would gladly hand over my brother to the authorities if he committed a crime then I should not let the issue of nationality or race cloud my judgment. If my government is found responsible for a set of crimes then as much as it might pain me I should actually encourage the international community when it decides to hold my government accountable. Obviously the above also rests on the idea that is justice is to be done then the guilty party will have to pay a price. The idea that “my country right or wrong” is dangerous, irrational and out of date. No one should ever want to protect a state when it violates international norms and agreements that it has signed only on the basis of patriotism. That would be tantamount to saying that my father is always right even when he commits egregious crimes.

The issue that we are facing in Syria is very simple. Chemical weapons have been used against innocent civilians and in violation of the Geneva Convention and the Treaty banning the use of such weapons. The first order of business under these circumstances is to agree that we all have a moral obligation to do whatever is in our power to hold the violators responsible for their crimes. Once that is done and it should be an easy and non contestable proposition then we have to agree on who is responsible for these illegal acts. Let me stress again, that no one wants to “punish” the innocent but once the preponderance of evidence, custody over the chemicals, means of delivery, finger prints of the delivery devices, report from the UN inspectors, intel intercepts…points rather conclusively to one party or the other then we must take action irrespective of the pain to our loved ones, our sense of patriotism, our racial identity, our religious affiliation or anything else that we can thing off. Nothing, absolutely nothing should protect the guilty.

  • dateam

    YOUTUBE: Mother Agnes Mariam on GRTV

    • 5thDrawer

      BBC coverage too … warnings about viewing …

      • dateam

        BBC also carried an article in May about opposition using sarin gas?

        • 5thDrawer

          Yup. ALL are speculating until seeing proof.

          • Peaceforleb

            All except a few on this blog including yourself. Rite 5th. Its seems you and the other clowns on this blog have let your hate for Assad over shadow the good old innocent until proven guilty. I’m quite surprised that you haven’t blamed Hezbollah for this. God knows they get blamed for everything else. 🙂

          • master09

            So who let the gas out in your view?

          • 5thDrawer

            Or the skin-burning chemistry…..

          • ghassan Karam

            master09,
            None of us is in a position to say who did it since we do not have all the information. That is why I am suggesting that it is the principle that counts. First we agree that this is a legally banned weapon and so whoever used it must be held responsible. Then we collect the evidence and we weigh it . Once the evidence is made public then we will, you and I , be in a position to make up our mind. Prior to that it is all speculation. Some of the facts needed: what was the agent used? That gives a clue about who can produce it Then what was the means of delivery, was it a sophisticated missile or just a home made rocket? That gives a clue to whether it was put together in a garage or whether it was part of the munition of the Syrian army?From which direction did the projectiles arrive?….

          • 5thDrawer

            My Dear Ghassan. When you have a ‘report’ which states that already ‘Syria’ WILL reject any ‘report’ on the whole thing even after the scientists have done their jobs and present their ‘evidences’, you could also say the positions are already drawn. And we know by which methods they are drawn. As I stated here a couple of times over the years, it’s like my poor Grandmother’s old saying:
            ‘I wouldn’t believe it if you proved it to me.’
            You and I will believe the investigators. After that, it’s a toss-up anyway.

            If Assad MADE and OWNED the chemistry, which some think should not even exist, then it’s his responsibility. Give him that responsibility. Simple.
            I agree with you. Keep it simple.

          • ghassan Karam

            5thDrawer,
            Unfortunately you are right, it is impossible to convince those that have already made up their mind . To some the earth is flat , humans never landed on the moon and earth is the center of the universe 🙂

          • dateam

            Correct me if i am wrong but did they not state that they will not accept a “partial report”?

          • MekensehParty

            The information are online for those who want to “SEE”

          • 5thDrawer

            I think Hezzys were the ‘spotters’ for the attack … is why, in the wind-shifts, some of them also got a sniff of it. After three years I hate Assad – even if I never met the turkey. So what? I have seen …
            I have also seen what has happened in Tripoli and is happening in Tripoli because of both him and the other brain-farts … to PERSONAL friends and one orphaned baby, who have never had any desire to create conflict or death among others. Who attempted to live good and peaceful lives. And to work. They only experienced total reversals of their lives – which cling now by a thread because of a country which gives no aid to them – no back-up for having lived good lives – no justice for women. Period.
            You can say I have hate … I didn’t want that either. Assad made me.

            ‘Send in the clowns. Don’t bother, they’re here.’

    • MekensehParty

      I can find you a ton of other Mother Agnes who claim to be Santa’s mom
      so because she’s a nun you think she doesn’t have an agenda, or backers, or while we’re at it someone threatening her? Just because she has a cross on her forehead doesn’t make her the virgin Mary.
      The church has been on assad’s side from the beginning, (remember good old Rai’s comments) for good reasons one might argue since the rebels are mostly islamists and will probably slay Christians once this is over, only they forgot that now, with their position it’s no longer a probability, it’s a certainty!

  • dateam

    YOUTUBE: Mother Agnes Marian on GRTV

    • 5thDrawer

      BBC coverage too … warnings about viewing …

      • dateam

        BBC also carried an article in May about opposition using sarin gas?

        • 5thDrawer

          Yup. ALL are speculating until seeing proof.

          • Peaceforleb

            All except a few on this blog including yourself. Rite 5th. Its seems you and the other clowns on this blog have let your hate for Assad over shadow the good old innocent until proven guilty. I’m quite surprised that you haven’t blamed Hezbollah for this. God knows they get blamed for everything else. 🙂

          • master09

            So who let the gas out in your view?

          • 5thDrawer

            Or the skin-burning chemistry…..

          • ghassan Karam

            master09,
            None of us is in a position to say who did it since we do not have all the information. That is why I am suggesting that it is the principle that counts. First we agree that this is a legally banned weapon and so whoever used it must be held responsible. Then we collect the evidence and we weigh it . Once the evidence is made public then we will, you and I , be in a position to make up our mind. Prior to that it is all speculation. Some of the facts needed: what was the agent used? That gives a clue about who can produce it Then what was the means of delivery, was it a sophisticated missile or just a home made rocket? That gives a clue to whether it was put together in a garage or whether it was part of the munition of the Syrian army?From which direction did the projectiles arrive?….

          • 5thDrawer

            My Dear Ghassan. When you have a ‘report’ which states that already ‘Syria’ WILL reject any ‘report’ on the whole thing even after the scientists have done their jobs and present their ‘evidences’, you could also say the positions are already drawn. And we know by which methods they are drawn. As I stated here a couple of times over the years, it’s like my poor Grandmother’s old saying:
            ‘I wouldn’t believe it if you proved it to me.’
            You and I will believe the investigators. After that, it’s a toss-up anyway.

          • ghassan Karam

            5thDrawer,
            Unfortunately you are right, it is impossible to convince those that have already made up their mind . To some the earth is flat , humans never landed on the moon and earth is the center of the universe 🙂

          • dateam

            Correct me if i am wrong but did they not state that they will not accept a “partial report”?

          • MekensehParty

            The information are online for those who want to “SEE”

          • 5thDrawer

            I think Hezzys were the ‘spotters’ for the attack … is why, in the wind-shifts, some of them also got a sniff of it. After three years I hate Assad – even if I never met the turkey. So what? I have seen …
            I have also seen what has happened in Tripoli and is happening in Tripoli because of both him and the other brain-farts … to PERSONAL friends and one orphaned baby, who have never had any desire to create conflict or death among others. Who attempted to live good and peaceful lives. And to work. They only experienced total reversals of their lives – which cling now by a thread because of a country which gives no aid to them – no back-up for having lived good lives – no justice for women. Period.
            You can say I have hate … I didn’t want that either. Assad made me.

    • MekensehParty

      I can find you a ton of other Mother Agnes who claim to be Santa’s mom
      so because she’s a nun you think she doesn’t have an agenda, or backers, or while we’re at it someone threatening her? Just because she has a cross on her forehead doesn’t make her the virgin Mary.
      The church has been on assad’s side from the beginning, (remember good old Rai’s comments) for good reasons one might argue since the rebels are mostly islamists and will probably slay Christians once this is over, only they forgot that now, with their position it’s no longer a probability, it’s a certainty!

  • Sebouh80

    Greetings Professor Karam,

    Yesterday George Galloway’s heroic heated debate at the British parliament is a clear response to people who still claim that there is a moral obligation to act by imperialist powers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU

    • dateam

      true

      • 5thDrawer

        As I said before … there are many who will be happy to let the the Mid-East stew in it’s own juices. To Let them play ‘catch-up’ on their own.
        Galloway is obviously a man after my own Scotch. :-))
        And excellent speech … given at the right moment, which is the most important thing, as Dr. M. L. King also found – when he moved away from his prepared notes.
        But where IS the end of the dream? Or the nightmare?

        Can ANY Muslim understand the background in life, experience, and education which puts these thoughts into the head of Galloway? Or the democracy which allowed it?

        • MekensehParty

          Don’t give too much credit to Galloway

          While many in the House get favors from the US, Galloway has been on Assad’s payroll for years.

          Here’s another video of Galloway that would make you want to keep your scotch for yourself (or maybe send it my way)

          Editing: I can’t post the youtube link, check Galloway salutes his friend assad

        • MekensehParty

          I don’t know why but my reply was deleted even though it had nothing offensive.
          So I was saying:
          Don’t share your scotch with Galloway before watching the youtube video “Galloway salutes his friend assad”

          • 5thDrawer

            Mekenseh … I didn’t say I agreed with him … just that his timing and rhetoric were excellent, and perhaps swayed those who can’t get their heads together fast enough to make great reply. And he IS a product of that system – whether he agrees with it all or not.
            Some we can drink with and then walk away from …
            I’d take his scotch, not offer mine … :-)))

    • thanks for posting, excellent heartfelt well spoken speech, A token spanking is not a solution to this devilish crisis.

    • MekensehParty

      Hahahaha that POS has been taking money from Assad to represent him in the House for dozens of years. So he made you move with the story of the rebel commander eating the heart of his enemy… It’s funny how the pro-assads totally discredited all videos coming from the anti-assad showing the butcher’s monstrosity as “unverified” but as soon as this cannibalistic video appeared it was the truth from God…
      Galloway lol since you like youtube videos please check “Galloway salutes his friend assad”

  • Sebouh80

    Greetings Professor Karam,

    Yesterday George Galloway’s heroic heated debate at the British parliament is a clear response to people who still claim that there is a moral obligation to act by imperialist powers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Han5fgzy4KU

    • dateam

      true

      • 5thDrawer

        As I said before … there are many who will be happy to let the the Mid-East stew in it’s own juices. Let them play ‘catch-up’ on their own.

        • MekensehParty

          I don’t know why but my reply was deleted even though it had nothing offensive.
          So I was saying:
          Don’t share your scotch with Galloway before watching the youtube video “Galloway salutes his friend assad”

          • 5thDrawer

            Mekenseh … I didn’t say I agreed with him … just that his timing and rhetoric were excellent, and perhaps swayed those who can’t get their heads together fast enough to make great reply. And he IS a product of that system – whether he agrees with it all or not.
            Some we can drink with and then walk away from …
            I’d take his scotch, not offer mine … :-)))

    • thanks for posting, excellent heartfelt well spoken speech, A token spanking is not a solution to this devilish crisis.

    • MekensehParty

      Hahahaha that POS has been taking money from Assad to represent him in the House for dozens of years. So he made you move with the story of the rebel commander eating the heart of his enemy… It’s funny how the pro-assads totally discredited all videos coming from the anti-assad showing the butcher’s monstrosity as “unverified” but as soon as this cannibalistic video appeared it was the truth from God…
      Galloway lol since you like youtube videos please check “Galloway salutes his friend assad”

  • ghassan Karam

    5thDrawer, dateam,Sebouh80,
    (1) My arguments all through out never claimed that I know who unleached the gas but is a “theoretical” argument about the absolute necessity to hold whoever is responsible accountable.
    (2) There have been well written and even pationate articles that support each of the major two sides, as it should be. There is nothing wrong with that. But some sources are a tad more credible than others. GRTV and PressTV are two sources that are neither reliable nor credible, at least on this isue since both of them have no interest in covering and presenting anything that even approaches objective reporting.
    (3) On a personal level I have been opposed to totalitarian, authoritarian,undemocratic… regimes any where in the world and so obviously I am opposed to the Assad regime but this does not mean that I stand ready to make spurious accusations. I have no problem with positions that are consistent that advocate for the regime except for the fact that I disagree with them But I do have a problem with positions that want to have it both ways i.e. those that argue that they are opposed to dictatorship but yet are strong unqualified supporters of the Assad dynasty. This does not wash. The same is true for those on the other extreme that claim that they are for freedom and democracy but yet support a narrow religion based ideology. I must have spoken publicly and contributed dozens of articles in various media against the Syrian Baath but I have never advocated for any and never will advocate for such groups as Al Nusra … I have seen potential in some relatively moderate groups but even then I have consistently been critical of their failure to articulate a clear vision for Syria and above all their failure to distance themselves from religious speech although it might be non sectarian. There is no place for religion in the public square.

    • dateam

      Ghassan, with all due respect the problem in todays times is media control and bias…as you have stated re GRTV and press tv its no different than any other news outlet…take yalibnan for example? It uses sources such as alarabiya and aljazeera…i mean even fox news? ( which by the way is not registered as a news station but as an entertainment station….further reports are even published without a source at times? Who to believe and who not to believe?

      • 5thDrawer

        It’s a point, dateam. But don’t we rail against ‘motive’ news?

      • ghassan Karam

        dateam,
        It would be a sad world indeed if all media was similar to GRTV and its ilk. These are not journalists but mouthpieces, ads, indoctrination. You might not care for say CBS, CNN, BBC CBC… but you must admit that they more often than not approach stories objectively a, they practice investigative journalism wherever it leads…

  • ghassan Karam

    5thDrawer, dateam,Sebouh80,
    (1) My arguments all through out never claimed that I know who unleached the gas but is a “theoretical” argument about the absolute necessity to hold whoever is responsible accountable.
    (2) There have been well written and even pationate articles that support each of the major two sides, as it should be. There is nothing wrong with that. But some sources are a tad more credible than others. GRTV and PressTV are two sources that are neither reliable nor credible, at least on this isue since both of them have no interest in covering and presenting anything that even approaches objective reporting.
    (3) On a personal level I have been opposed to totalitarian, authoritarian,undemocratic… regimes any where in the world and so obviously I am opposed to the Assad regime but this does not mean that I stand ready to make spurious accusations. I have no problem with positions that are consistent that advocate for the regime except for the fact that I disagree with them But I do have a problem with positions that want to have it both ways i.e. those that argue that they are opposed to dictatorship but yet are strong unqualified supporters of the Assad dynasty. This does not wash. The same is true for those on the other extreme that claim that they are for freedom and democracy but yet support a narrow religion based ideology. I must have spoken publicly and contributed dozens of articles in various media against the Syrian Baath but I have never advocated for any and never will advocate for such groups as Al Nusra … I have seen potential in some relatively moderate groups but even then I have consistently been critical of their failure to articulate a clear vision for Syria and above all their failure to distance themselves from religious speech although it might be non sectarian. There is no place for religion in the public square.

    • dateam

      Ghassan, with all due respect the problem in todays times is media control and bias…as you have stated re GRTV and press tv its no different than any other news outlet…take yalibnan for example? It uses sources such as alarabiya and aljazeera…i mean even fox news? ( which by the way is not registered as a news station but as an entertainment station….further reports are even published without a source at times? Who to believe and who not to believe?

      • 5thDrawer

        It’s a point, dateam. But don’t we rail against ‘motive’ news?

      • ghassan Karam

        dateam,
        It would be a sad world indeed if all media was similar to GRTV and its ilk. These are not journalists but mouthpieces, ads, indoctrination. You might not care for say CBS, CNN, BBC CBC… but you must admit that they more often than not approach stories objectively a, they practice investigative journalism wherever it leads…

  • Reasonableman

    Hhhmmm sorta like want for your brother what you want for yourself?

    • 5thDrawer

      Do unto others …. (oooops … forgot second part …)

  • Reasonableman

    Hhhmmm sorta like want for your brother what you want for yourself? The west has made this a law its called duty of care.

    • 5thDrawer

      Do unto others ….

  • AfRyT

    What if the final result shows that was the Mossad? It is now being proposed that possibility. Are We going to bomb Israel? Or if shows that was England or USA, Are We going to bomb them? Or Turkey who has a long history of using nerve gas like they did gassing the Kurds in Northern Iraq,

    By saying responsible there is the fact also of Provocation, If You see Your Country with an Insurrection made in Israel with the help of the USA, Turkey and England ¿Who is responsible? ¿Who has killed 100,00? One Man alone? It was Assad? ¿Or it was an Insurrection in which the final objective is to give Syria to the Palestinians, So Israel can keep Palestine as an international plot to dispossess the land from Syrian Citizens and screw Lebanon with almost 600,000 refugees and counting, Jordan following with 500,000 and counting.

    What if Assad used nerve gas to save His People in an act of desperation, Trying to protect the Christians from the Jihadist, ¿Would You approve? ¿Or Would You approve only if the victims where Jews or Americans?

    ¿How much is worth peace? ¿Is it worth Syrian and Lebanese blood? ¿DO You think that the blood of the first Inhabitants of this World is now worth nothing?

    We see in this forum Jews insulting Lebanese like MekenesehParty, 5thDarwer, who in turn is being busted and poses like “cook2half” All descendant of slaves,
    Has the world changed so much that now a Slave has the right to insult and humiliate Lebanese like if We are worth nothing, should We thank Him to let everyone know the real face of Judaism?
    ¿Is the real face of Judaism the problem here? ¿What do You think?

    ¿Do You know history? That before Jesus Phoenicia was the Centre of Civilization and Spirituality?
    That We gave Astronomic Navigation, The Alphabet, Invented Money as transactional item, ¿Did You know that People came from around the World to Jbeil (Byblos) To find an answer when they lost a loved one? ¿Did You know that it was Our Phoenicians Priests who wrote the Bible in Byblos and then was Plagiarized By the Jews to deform and edit accordingly to it agenda? ¿Did You know that during 70 years after JesusChrist the Jews persecuted and killed Christians?

    And Jews come to this board to insult Our intelligence thinking that We are as stupid as their sorry ass.
    There is no doubt that the tongue has no bone and You can use it to humiliate, Make false accusations, incriminate, same way they did against JesusChrist.

    ¿Do You know that before 1948 all was nice a peachy? But since Ben Gurion all has been suffering mostly for Lebanese People who had to endure an international plot between Israel and the Palestinians who invaded Our Country to topple of Government and to take Lebanon so Israel can keep Palestinian land. ¿Do You know where is the origin of what is happening today?

    In 2009 Our President Michel Suleiman achieved something that nobody has achieved before and was mutual respect between Syria and Lebanon, ¿Can You tell by now who was not happy?
    Can You tell by know, ¿How this insurrection benefits Israel? ¿Can You tell by know how much longer We have to endure for Israel to exist? ¿Has Israel the right to exist? I will say Yes! Most Certainly, But not at expense of innocent lives and Israel has to compensate for all the harm caused in the region.
    Now and just to conclude, Regardless of whom throw the nerve gas ¿WHO is REALLY Responsible? ¿Do You think that the American Government together with Israel really have moral? I would let You with a very old Lebanese saying: “Tell Me of what You brag, And I will tell You what You lack”

    • YeUx

      Welcome back AfRyT!

    • ghassan Karam

      AfRyT,
      I am not sure that you have read closely what I said or that you are interested in a response? I have a feeling that you have already predetermined who did it 🙂
      But to answer your questions directly , yes any party that is shown to have been responsible must be made to pay the price. And yes, the ultimate responsibility for the uprising is the failed Syrian dictatorship for over forty years.
      BTW, can you look at a problem without judging it by the personal religion of the party in question? Does it matter how one prays or whether one prays at all. Why should you care?

      • 5thDrawer

        They sure didn’t read me much Ghassan. Either.
        How I got to be Jewish I’m not quite sure. :-))))

        • Igor Chingoski

          I don’t know either “cookie”

        • MekensehParty

          They don’t use Jewish as a word or religion or ethnicity or or…
          for them it’s a insult
          ie: hasan is fighting with ali (or most recently Michel is fighting with Jubran)
          one starts: “your mother is a ch…”
          the other replies: ” and your mother is a jew”
          got it 😉

          • 5thDrawer

            Yah. Sad …. like the word ‘spy’, grossly overused. 🙂

        • Igor Chingoski

          Oh come on cookie if I busted you answering for cook2half and she has the Israheli flag. And I busted MekeneshPary of khara insulting all Lebanese two years ago when a Lebanese Owner of a Restaurant in Paris returned some documents to Obama. That Bastard said horrible and humiliating things to soffi and all Lebanese!

          • 5thDrawer

            If you think ‘busting’ someone means anything to do with how they think, because they may also agree with one line of thought that someone else may also have, then your ability to rationalize anything has been severely retarded by a miseducated past – at the very least.
            If we are ‘not allowed’ to agree with something that someone says – simply because something in your brain says they are a different religion, or sport a different logo in a blog, or (gasp) don’t agree with YOUR particular slant on life – then you can ‘bust’ me on many things besides being Jewish, which I’m not.
            In fact, I’m not ANYTHING you are, or even think I should be.
            I’ll call out an ignorant dunderhead whenever I see one, however.

          • LEOPOLD NDI

            INCREDIBLE SINCE WHEN YOU GOT TO THIS LEVEL OF LOGIC TAKE CARE YOU WILL END UP AS POLITICIAN

          • 5thDrawer

            ‘Aged Senator’ maybe … hmmm … do they get ‘Health Care’?

          • Igor Chingoski

            You are stuttering cookie, Your relentless defensive confirm that You are cookie and Your continuous denial of things shows that You are a Jew, therefore You are not what I am! but in contrast of what You said the ignorant is You and it shows that You didn’t have a father or a mother in an honest family environment to show You a little of decency and courage to admit that You are a prostitute of misinformation, Because You are a COOKIE WITH KHARA! and You can ruh kess omek cookie as soon You found Her… :-))))

      • Igor Chingoski

        oh you did! you did! understood, bad pussy cat! LOL

      • dateam

        The media as you knew it Ghassan has finished….its all sensationalism and used as a tool to push agendas….The media makes or breaks politicians nowadays….its used to push agendas…lebanon is a classic case…every political party or warlord has his own media outlet to put out what they want. Im not claiming the above news channels are any better…i simply look at every opinion and view and try to find my own interpretation. In regards to syria you know very well that the agenda against assad has been pushed…the other side has also committed plenty of atrocities as well yet dosent seem to get the coverage as investigative journalists should be giving…..Rebel atrocities are even put up on youtube for all to see. If you listen to msm you would think that assad alone has killed over 100000..Has he? Has the other party not killed either? Do people really know what is or happened on the ground? The drums of war are beating and regardless of whether we find out who has committed this its too late because certain sides have already decided…UN inspectors have gone to investigate and the americans,british,french are already stating that assad has done it so regardless of what the findings are ( even though last time it was the rebels,even though the turks have caught rebels with sarin gas,even though the syrian army has found tunnels of the rebels with chemical weapons storages) the wheels have been set in motion…..There is no rational behaviour from any side in this conflict…Now look the british parliament has voted against , Italy,Germany,Poland,Spain wont get involved so now where does that leave the americans? All this bravado before any findings have come out, before the un has even concluded its findings of which the americans seemed to have dismissed anyway and wait and see the most the un will say is that chemical weapons were used however we cannot determine who used them…..Now after all the hype where do we go? are the americans willing do go it alone even though the majority of american people are against it?

      • Igor Chingoski

        Please allow Me to interrupt this nice chat between You two Gentlemen, But how is possible to make a statement without mentioning what is deeply rooted in Our ancient traditions which is Religion, should We hide the word Jew behind Israeli or Zionist? Or Muslim behind Islamist? Or Christian Behind Protestants, Because is the protestant Christians who are doing a lot of noise! and Those are NOT part of Our Culture!!
        No sir!!! there are also in USA a sect of “Christians” that dance with Snakes and if they are not bitten that means they are not in sin, lol lol lol! what gives…fook

    • dateam

      “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

      “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”

      “We must expel the Arabs and take their places.”

      Ben Gurion

      • LEOPOLD NDI

        GUESS U R NOT MONOTHEIST,FIRE IS AWAITING FOR YOU

    • F0sS2U

      Similar situation We had in the 1975-1990 war inside Lebanon, where foreign forces tried to topple Our Government as part of an international conspiracy to give Our land to the Palestinians, This way Israel would had keep Palestine and the Palestinians would had keep Lebanon,
      From this war Lebanon was able to exit wounded but We did manage to somehow get back on Our feet.
      This is now threatened By the situation in Syria, where the Syrian population is now being displaced to Lebanon, now about 7 million Syrians displaced, And to answer to Your question, Is not going to be possible to punish the group who did this criminal act of gassing innocent civilians, is not being possible and will never be, History doesn’t lie, We have Cambodia, Viet Nam, Northern Iraq, now Syria, if it was the mighty powers No way they are going to pay for the broken dishes.
      if it was Assad, is the Syrian People who pay the price, but not the guilty part, But I admire Your sense of justice and analysis about the circumstances around this conflict, I can see You don’t have tunnel vision like some others who want to know who did it, but never want to know what is the origin of all this.

    • Jewy McJew

      A very interesting part of Bashar Assad’s grandfather’s amazing 1936 letter to France that goes hand-in-hand to what you are talking about.

      “The spirit of fanaticism and narrow-mindedness, whose roots are deep in the heart of the Arab Muslims toward all those who are not Muslim, is the spirit that continually feeds the Islamic religion, and therefore there is no hope that the situation will change. If the Mandate is cancelled, the danger of death and destruction will be a threat upon the minorities in Syria, even if the cancellation [of the Mandate] will decree freedom of thought and freedom of religion. Why, even today we see how the Muslim residents of Damascus force the Jews who live under their auspices to sign a document in which they are forbidden to send food to their Jewish brothers who are suffering from the disaster in Palestine [in the days of the great Arab rebellion], the situation of the Jews in Palestine being the strongest and most concrete proof of the importance of the religious problem among the Muslim Arabs toward anyone who does not belong to Islam. Those good Jews, who have brought to the Muslim Arabs civilization and peace, and have spread wealth and prosperity to the land of Palestine, have not hurt anyone and have not taken anything by force, and nevertheless the Muslims have declared holy war against them and have not hesitated to slaughter their children and their women despite the fact that England is in Palestine and France is in Syria. Therefore a black future awaits the Jews and the other minorities if the Mandate is cancelled and Muslim Syria is unified with Muslim Palestine. This union is the ultimate goal of the Muslim Arabs.”

      • Guest

        There’s also the interesting story of Palestine’s Hajj Amin Al-Husseni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, recognizing the Alawis in Damascus and Syria as Muslims while many Syrian Muslim leaders at the time did not recognize them as Muslims.

    • Guest

      What do you mean before 1948 there were no problems? Remember the Great Arab Revolt of 1916 against the Ottoman Empire? Muslim killing Muslim.

      • Hannibal

        NO Arabs killing Turks… Why is it ALWAYS about religion for you people? Is it because it defines your existence? You have nothing else to show?

        • Igor Chingoski

          Yes they have, they show a big gay parade in Israhell is something like Sodom and Gomorra, Also the woman in Israhell show shentien, LOL!

      • Igor Chingoski

        ahh You are not from Israhell You are from Ignorimia :-))) Neighbour country of Lieland

    • Guest

      Jesus went to the borders of Tyre and Sidon and entered into a house. A woman approached him and asked him to cast a demon out of her daughter. This woman was a Syro-Phoenician, meaning she was not Jewish. Jesus said “Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.” Meaning that the “children” are the Jews, the chosen people, and the “dogs” were everyone else. She answered, “Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs.” Jesus liked this witty answer so he cured her daughter.

      • Hannibal

        Then Jesus said: “I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel.”

        • Guest

          You mean Israel existed then too?

          • Hannibal

            unfortunately… lol

          • Igor Chingoski

            If You call existence a bunch of squatters LOL

      • Igor Chingoski

        This is a Jewish lie, it was changed, the Dogs are the Jews, The Children are the Phoenicians, Read the Phoenician Galilee Chronicles dated year 7 after Jesus.
        What confirm this document of the chronicles of Galilee is that in Phoenicia was spoken the language of the Gods, Jesus Himself Spoke Syriac Aramaic (Phoenician Language) and hence He couldn’t insult Himself.
        Those who spoke Hebrew did it in a precipitated way and Jesus compared this to the barking of a dog.
        Is also documented in the book, “If Lebanon could talk” read and learn You orphan!

      • AfRyT

        The Jews shouted ‘Crucify Him!’ (John 19:15) and ‘His blood be on us and on our children!’ (Matthew 27:25). Pilate was using irony when he wrote ‘Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews (Greek = Judeans)’ (John 19:19) – i.e.‘the Galilean who was King of the Judeans’, as in ‘Queen Victoria of England, Empress of India’. The spiritual leaders of the Jews were the Pharisees, who unsurprisingly were associated with the (Edomite) Herodians ((Matthew 22:16, Mark 3:6 and 12:13). Jesus utterly condemned the Pharisees as hypocrites, using the word repeatedly (Matthew 15:7, 22:18, 23:13, 15, 23, 25 and 27). He also called them ‘brood (offspring) of vipers’ (Matthew 3:8, 12:34, 23:33). Was this just a loose hyperbolic turn of phrase, like ‘sons of bitches’, or did it embody a real supernatural truth? As is well known, Satan was associated with the idea of serpent.

        You see Jesus was referring to the Jews when He said DOGS, I myself do it a lot I call Your kind DOGS!

        And Considering that a group of Phoenician Merchants found a wondering crowd lost and thirsty, took them to Hurshalim( Jerusalem) to rest, the Phoenicians let them stay with the condition to worship Astarté Phoenician Goddess of fertility, and this guests like DOGS bite the hand of those who feed them.

        Phoenicia the centre of Spirituality 7000 years before Jesus, where it was really born the message of one GOD by the white Fraternity, Palestine was a Sister City of Phoenicia, there was not Israel, it was only a few scandalous needy beggars in a isolated section of Hurshalim called Judea. That is why Jesus said He will give the crumbs to the dogs, those needy of Judea.

        Jesus of Galilee (Phoenician Galilee) was also called the Messiah of Qana, He could not insult Phoenicians in any way because Jesus Himself was Phoenician, Jesus never spoke Hebrew, it was considered a vulgar language, Jesus Spoke Syriac Aramaic the language of the GODS, and Phoenician Language.

        Good night vipers, don’t bite your tail ok?

        • Hannibal

          I have been cloned! 😉

        • YeUx

          Is the son of a bitch a DOG? and they eat crumbles…?
          My neighbour had a dog who ate only crumbs and one day shocked to death trying to eat more than he could swallow.

        • Guest

          NASRANI HALOUF

          • AfRyT

            ruh kess omek khamzir, YAHARADINEK!

        • Guest

          You worship Baal in Phoenicia.

          • Hannibal

            Better than worshipping money Mr. 666

      • YeUx

        And You want to fool People with a stupid baseless statement? The Woman is asking for help for Her Daughter, Her Daughter is a Child, And Jesus Promptly gives priority to a Child, This is to say the Daughter of the Syrio Phoenician Woman. Hence Jesus and the Syrio Phoenician Woman are talking about the Jews (Not present) as a third person, “Yet the dogs under the table (THE JEWS) eat of the children crumbs” Hence the Syrio Phoenician Woman was agreeable with Jesus regarding the Jews as dogs.
        This is a logical explanation of the true significance of the words of Jesus, whom always spoke in parables to illustrate a story,
        You the Jews are the DOGS who come to this site showing such a contempt for Our Phoenician Heritage.
        You as Opportunistic DOGS with the tail between Your legs get tangled with Your own tongue coming to this site to crawl for crumbles of My People, and at the same time insulting those who You say to be Your friends,
        I spit on Your Ancestors and on Your kind, sons of vipers You have no friends You’re only friend is gut greed,
        We are not good enough for You and still You come begging for crumbs, You are the chosen of Hell, Your stupid statements come from the poison of the Synagogues.

        For GOD there is no “Chosen Ones” because is oneself who choses to follow GOD.

        You Idiots, You live in a dream deceiving yourselves, The chosen ones of Hell!

        Jesus is for ever My Guide!

      • Guest

        Mark 7:

        24. And from there Eashoa rose and came to the district of Tyre and Saidon, and he entered a house and did not wish that anyone* should know of his presence, and he could not hide.
        25. For at once a woman heard about it,* her daughter was possessed by an evil spirit, and she came and fell before his feet.
        26. However, the woman was a pagan of Syria’s Phoenicians. And she wanted him to cast out the demon from her daughter.
        27. And Eashoa said to her, “Let the children be satisfied first. For it is not well* that the bread of the children be consecrated and thrown to the dogs.”
        28. She replied and said to him, “Yes, my Maryah, even the dogs get to eat of the consecrated crumbs that [fall] beneath.”
        29. Eashoa said to her, “Go, because of your recognition,* the demon has left your daughter.”
        30. And she went to her house, and found her daughter in bed and the demon had left her.

    • haririAlHirrrban

      you are highly praising 5thdrawer and the majroud or meknseh or majrour i forgot its nick by calling them jews; they are just hariri freaks on saudi payroll

      • haririAlHirrrban

        we brag what we lack most

  • AfRyT

    What if the final result shows that was the Mossad? It is now being proposed that possibility. Are We going to bomb Israel? Or if shows that was England or USA, Are We going to bomb them? Or Turkey who has a long history of using nerve gas like they did gassing the Kurds in Northern Iraq,

    By saying responsible there is the fact also of Provocation, If You see Your Country with an Insurrection made in Israel with the help of the USA, Turkey and England ¿Who is responsible? ¿Who has killed 100,00? One Man alone? It was Assad? ¿Or it was an Insurrection in which the final objective is to give Syria to the Palestinians, So Israel can keep Palestine as an international plot to dispossess the land from Syrian Citizens and screw Lebanon with almost 600,000 refugees and counting, Jordan following with 500,000 and counting.

    What if Assad used nerve gas to save His People in an act of desperation, Trying to protect the Christians from the Jihadist, ¿Would You approve? ¿Or Would You approve only if the victims where Jews or Americans?

    ¿How much is worth peace? ¿Is it worth Syrian and Lebanese blood? ¿DO You think that the blood of the first Inhabitants of this World is now worth nothing?

    We see in this forum Jews insulting Lebanese like MekenesehParty, 5thDarwer, who in turn is being busted and poses like “cook2half” All descendant of slaves,
    Has the world changed so much that now a Slave has the right to insult and humiliate Lebanese like if We are worth nothing, should We thank Him to let everyone know the real face of Judaism?
    ¿Is the real face of Judaism the problem here? ¿What do You think?

    ¿Do You know history? That before Jesus Phoenicia was the Centre of Civilization and Spirituality?
    That We gave Astronomic Navigation, The Alphabet, Invented Money as transactional item, ¿Did You know that People came from around the World to Jbeil (Byblos) To find an answer when they lost a loved one? ¿Did You know that it was Our Phoenicians Priests who wrote the Bible in Byblos and then was Plagiarized By the Jews to deform and edit accordingly to it agenda? ¿Did You know that during 70 years after JesusChrist the Jews persecuted and killed Christians?

    And Jews come to this board to insult Our intelligence thinking that We are as stupid as their sorry ass.
    There is no doubt that the tongue has no bone and You can use it to humiliate, Make false accusations, incriminate, same way they did against JesusChrist.

    ¿Do You know that before 1948 all was nice a peachy? But since Ben Gurion all has been suffering mostly for Lebanese People who had to endure an international plot between Israel and the Palestinians who invaded Our Country to topple of Government and to take Lebanon so Israel can keep Palestinian land. ¿Do You know where is the origin of what is happening today?

    In 2009 Our President Michel Suleiman achieved something that nobody has achieved before and was mutual respect between Syria and Lebanon, ¿Can You tell by now who was not happy?
    Can You tell by know, ¿How this insurrection benefits Israel? ¿Can You tell by know how much longer We have to endure for Israel to exist? ¿Has Israel the right to exist? I will say Yes! Most Certainly, But not at expense of innocent lives and Israel has to compensate for all the harm caused in the region.
    Now and just to conclude, Regardless of whom throw the nerve gas ¿WHO is REALLY Responsible? ¿Do You think that the American Government together with Israel really have moral? I would let You with a very old Lebanese saying: “Tell Me of what You brag, And I will tell You what You lack”

    • YeUx

      Welcome Back AfRyT!

    • ghassan Karam

      AfRyT,
      I am not sure that you have read closely what I said or that you are interested in a response? I have a feeling that you have already predetermined who did it 🙂
      But to answer your questions directly , yes any party that is shown to have been responsible must be made to pay the price. And yes, the ultimate responsibility for the uprising is the failed Syrian dictatorship for over forty years.
      BTW, can you look at a problem without judging it by the personal religion of the party in question? Does it matter how one prays or whether one prays at all. Why should you care?

      • 5thDrawer

        They sure didn’t read me much Ghassan. Either.
        How I got to be Jewish I’m not quite sure. :-))))

        • SaSqUaTcH

          Oh Don’t pay attention to rumours 🙂
          Just wipe the Kosher from Your Ass :-))))

        • Igor Chingoski

          I don’t know either “cookie”

        • MekensehParty

          They don’t use Jewish as a word or religion or ethnicity or or…
          for them it’s a insult
          ie: hasan is fighting with ali (or most recently Michel is fighting with Jubran)
          one starts: “your mother is a ch…”
          the other replies: ” and your mother is a jew”
          got it 😉

          • 5thDrawer

            Yah. Sad …. like the word ‘spy’, grossly overused. 🙂

        • Igor Chingoski

          Oh come on cookie if I busted you answering for cook2half and she has the Israheli flag. And I busted MekeneshPary of khara insulting all Lebanese two years ago when a Lebanese Owner of a Restaurant in Paris returned some documents to Obama. That Bastard said horrible and humiliating things to soffi

          • 5thDrawer

            If you think ‘busting’ someone means anything to do with how they think, because they may also agree with one line of thought that someone else may also have, then your ability to rationalize anything has been severely retarded by a miseducated past – at the very least.
            If we are ‘not allowed’ to agree with something that someone says – simply because something in your brain says they are a different religion, or sport a different logo in a blog, or (gasp) don’t agree with YOUR particular slant on life – then you can ‘bust’ me on many things besides being Jewish, which I’m not.
            In fact, I’m not ANYTHING you are, or even think I should be.
            I’ll call out an ignorant dunderhead whenever I see one, however.

          • LEOPOLD NDI

            INCREDIBLE SINCE WHEN YOU GOT TO THIS LEVEL OF LOGIC TAKE CARE YOU WILL END UP AS POLITICIAN

          • 5thDrawer

            ‘Aged Senator’ maybe … hmmm … do they get ‘Health Care’?

          • Igor Chingoski

            You are stuttering cookie, Your relentless defensive confirm that You are cookie and Your continuous denial of things shows that You are a Jew, therefore You are not what I am! but in contrast of what You said the ignorant is You and it shows that You didn’t have a father or a mother in an honest family environment to show You a little of decency and courage to admit that You are a prostitute of misinformation, Because You are a COOKIE WITH KHARA! and You can ruh kess omek cookie as soon You found Her… :-))))

      • Igor Chingoski

        oh you did! you did! understood, bad pussy cat! LOL

      • dateam

        The media as you knew it Ghassan has finished….its all sensationalism and used as a tool to push agendas….The media makes or breaks politicians nowadays….its used to push agendas…lebanon is a classic case…every political party or warlord has his own media outlet to put out what they want. Im not claiming the above news channels are any better…i simply look at every opinion and view and try to find my own interpretation. In regards to syria you know very well that the agenda against assad has been pushed…the other side has also committed plenty of atrocities as well yet dosent seem to get the coverage as investigative journalists should be giving…..Their atrocities are even put up on youtube for all to see. If you listen to msm you would think that assad alone has killed over 100000..Has he? Has the other party not killed either? Do people really know what is or happened on the ground? The drums of war are beating and regardless of whether we find out who has committed this its too late because certain sides have already decided…UN inspectors have gone to investigate and the americans,british,french are already stating that assad has done it so regardless of what the findings are ( even though last time it was the rebels,even though the turks have caught rebels with sarin gas,even though the syrian army has found tunnels of the rebels with chemical weapons storages) the wheels have been set in motion…..There is no rational behaviour from any side in this conflict…Now look the british parliament has voted against , Italy,Germany,Poland,Spain wont get involved so now where does that leave the americans? All this bravado before any findings have come out, before the un has even concluded its findings of which the americans seemed to have dismissed anyway and wait and see the most the un will say is that chemical weapons were used however we cannot determine who used them…..Now after all the hype where do we go? are the americans willing do go it alone even though the majority of american people are against it?

      • Igor Chingoski

        Please allow Me to interrupt this nice chat between You two Gentlemen, But how is possible to make a statement without mentioning what is deeply rooted in Our ancient traditions which is Religion, should We hide the word Jew behind Israeli or Zionist? Or Muslim behind Islamist? Or Christian Behind Protestants, Because is the protestant Christians who are doing a lot of noise! and Those are NOT part of Our Culture!!
        No sir!!! there are also in USA a sect of “Christians” that dance with Snakes and if they are not bitten that means they are not in sin, lol lol lol! what gives…fook

    • dateam

      “If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti – Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

      “We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”

      “We must expel the Arabs and take their places.”

      Ben Gurion

      • LEOPOLD NDI

        GUESS U R NOT MONOTHEIST,FIRE IS AWAITING FOR YOU

    • F0sS2U

      Similar situation We had in the 1975-1990 war inside Lebanon, where foreign forces tried to topple Our Government as part of an international conspiracy to give Our land to the Palestinians, This way Israel would had keep Palestine and the Palestinians would had keep Lebanon,
      From this war Lebanon was able to exit wounded but We did manage to somehow get back on Our feet.
      This is now threatened By the situation in Syria, where the Syrian population is now being displaced to Lebanon, now about 7 million Syrians displaced, And to answer to Your question, Is not going to be possible to punish the group who did this criminal act of gassing innocent civilians, is not being possible and will never be, History doesn’t lie, We have Cambodia, Viet Nam, Northern Iraq, now Syria, if it was the mighty powers No way they are going to pay for the broken dishes.
      if it was Assad, is the Syrian People who pay the price, but not the guilty part, But I admire Your sense of justice and analysis about the circumstances around this conflict, I can see You don’t have tunnel vision like some others who want to know who did it, but never want to know what is the origin of all this.

    • Jewy McJew

      A very interesting part of Bashar Assad’s grandfather’s amazing 1936 letter to France that goes hand-in-hand to what you are talking about.

      “The spirit of fanaticism and narrow-mindedness, whose roots are deep in the heart of the Arab Muslims toward all those who are not Muslim, is the spirit that continually feeds the Islamic religion, and therefore there is no hope that the situation will change. If the Mandate is cancelled, the danger of death and destruction will be a threat upon the minorities in Syria, even if the cancellation [of the Mandate] will decree freedom of thought and freedom of religion. Why, even today we see how the Muslim residents of Damascus force the Jews who live under their auspices to sign a document in which they are forbidden to send food to their Jewish brothers who are suffering from the disaster in Palestine [in the days of the great Arab rebellion], the situation of the Jews in Palestine being the strongest and most concrete proof of the importance of the religious problem among the Muslim Arabs toward anyone who does not belong to Islam. Those good Jews, who have brought to the Muslim Arabs civilization and peace, and have spread wealth and prosperity to the land of Palestine, have not hurt anyone and have not taken anything by force, and nevertheless the Muslims have declared holy war against them and have not hesitated to slaughter their children and their women despite the fact that England is in Palestine and France is in Syria. Therefore a black future awaits the Jews and the other minorities if the Mandate is cancelled and Muslim Syria is unified with Muslim Palestine. This union is the ultimate goal of the Muslim Arabs.”

      • Guest

        There’s also the interesting story of Palestine’s Hajj Amin Al-Husseni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, recognizing the Alawis in Damascus and Syria as Muslims while many Syrian Muslim leaders at the time did not recognize them as Muslims.

    • johngilbert

      What do you mean before 1948 there were no problems? Remember the Great Arab Revolt of 1916 against the Ottoman Empire? Muslim killing Muslim.

      • Hannibal

        NO Arabs killing Turks… Why is it ALWAYS about religion for you people? Is it because it defines your existence? You have nothing else to show?

        • Igor Chingoski

          Yes they have, they show a big gay parade in Israhell is something like Sodom and Gomorra, Also the woman in Israhell show shentien, LOL!

      • Igor Chingoski

        ahh You are not from Israhell You are from Ignorimia :-))) Neighbour country of Lieland

    • Guest

      Jesus went to the borders of Tyre and Sidon and entered into a house. A woman approached him and asked him to cast a demon out of her daughter. This woman was a Syro-Phoenician, meaning she was not Jewish. Jesus said “Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.” Meaning that the “children” are the Jews, the chosen people, and the “dogs” were everyone else. She answered, “Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs.” Jesus liked this witty answer so he cured her daughter.

      • Hannibal

        Then Jesus said: “I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel.”

        • Guest

          You mean Israel existed then too?

          • Hannibal

            unfortunately… lol

          • Igor Chingoski

            If You call existence a bunch of squatters LOL

      • Igor Chingoski

        This is a Jewish lie, it was changed, the Dogs are the Jews, The Children are the Phoenicians, Read the Phoenician Galilee Chronicles dated year 7 after Jesus.
        What confirm this document of the chronicles of Galilee is that in Phoenicia was spoken the language of the Gods, Jesus Himself Spoke Syriac Aramaic (Phoenician Language) and hence He couldn’t insult Himself.
        Those who spoke Hebrew did it in a precipitated way and Jesus compared this to the barking of a dog.

      • AfRyT

        The Jews shouted ‘Crucify Him!’ (John 19:15) and ‘His blood be on us and on our children!’ (Matthew 27:25). Pilate was using irony when he wrote ‘Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews (Greek = Judeans)’ (John 19:19) – i.e.‘the Galilean who was King of the Judeans’, as in ‘Queen Victoria of England, Empress of India’. The spiritual leaders of the Jews were the Pharisees, who unsurprisingly were associated with the (Edomite) Herodians ((Matthew 22:16, Mark 3:6 and 12:13). Jesus utterly condemned the Pharisees as hypocrites, using the word repeatedly (Matthew 15:7, 22:18, 23:13, 15, 23, 25 and 27). He also called them ‘brood (offspring) of vipers’ (Matthew 3:8, 12:34, 23:33). Was this just a loose hyperbolic turn of phrase, like ‘sons of bitches’, or did it embody a real supernatural truth? As is well known, Satan was associated with the idea of serpent.

        You see Jesus was referring to the Jews when He said DOGS, I myself do it a lot I call Your kind DOGS!

        And Considering that a group of Phoenician Merchants found a wondering crowd lost and thirsty, took them to Hurshalim( Jerusalem) to rest the Phoenicians let the stay with the condition to worship Astarté Phoenician Goddess of fertility, and this guests like DOGS bite the hand of those who feed them.

        Phoenicia the centre of Spirituality 7000 years before Jesus, where it was really born the message of one GOD by the white Fraternity, Palestine was a Sister City of Phoenicia, there was not Israel, it was only a few scandalous needy beggars in a isolated section of Hurshalim called Judea. That is why Jesus said He will give the crumbs to the dogs, those needy of Judea.

        • Hannibal

          I have been cloned! 😉

        • YeUx

          Is the son of a bitch a DOG? and they eat crumbles…?
          My neighbour had a dog who ate only crumbs and one day shocked to death trying to eat more than he could swallow.

        • Guest

          NASRANI HALOUF

          • AfRyT

            ruh kess omek khamzir, YAHARADINEK!

        • Guest

          You worship Baal in Phoenicia.

          • Hannibal

            Better than worshipping money Mr. 666

      • YeUx

        And You want to fool People with a stupid baseless statement? The Woman is asking for help for Her Daughter, Her Daughter is a Child, And Jesus Promptly gives priority to a Child, This is to say the Daughter of the Syrio Phoenician Woman. Hence Jesus and the Syrio Phoenician Woman are talking about the Jews (Not present) as a third person, “yet the dogs under the table (THE JEWS) eat of the children crumbs”
        This is a logical explanation of the true significance of the words of Jesus, whom always spoke in parables to illustrate a story,
        You the Jews are the DOGS who come to this site showing such a contempt for Our Phoenician Heritage.
        You as Opportunistic DOGS with the tail between Your legs get tangled with Your own tongue coming to this site to crawl for crumbles of My People, and at the same time insulting those who You say to be Your friends,
        I spit on Your Ancestors and on Your kind, sons of vipers You have no friends You’re only friend is gut greed,
        We are not good enough for You and still You come begging for crumbs, You are the chosen of Hell, Your stupid statements come from the poison of the Synagogues.

        For GOD there is no “Chosen Ones” because is oneself who choses to follow GOD You Idiots, You live in a dream deceiving yourselves, The chosen ones of Hell!

        Jesus is for ever My Guide!

      • Guest

        Mark 7:

        24. And from there Eashoa rose and came to the district of Tyre and Saidon, and he entered a house and did not wish that anyone* should know of his presence, and he could not hide.
        25. For at once a woman heard about it,* her daughter was possessed by an evil spirit, and she came and fell before his feet.
        26. However, the woman was a pagan of Syria’s Phoenicians. And she wanted him to cast out the demon from her daughter.
        27. And Eashoa said to her, “Let the children be satisfied first. For it is not well* that the bread of the children be consecrated and thrown to the dogs.”
        28. She replied and said to him, “Yes, my Maryah, even the dogs get to eat of the consecrated crumbs that [fall] beneath.”
        29. Eashoa said to her, “Go, because of your recognition,* the demon has left your daughter.”
        30. And she went to her house, and found her daughter in bed and the demon had left her.

    • haririAlHirrrban

      you are highly praising 5thdrawer and the majroud or meknseh or majrour i forgot its nick by calling them jews; they are just hariri freaks on saudi payroll

      • haririAlHirrrban

        we brag what we lack most

  • SaSqUaTcH

    Is Your question limited to this incident? Then I will answer Yes, punish the one who did it, The one who gave the order and those who followed. Hell screw the janitor and the maids, and the cousin, the friend of the friend, and the neighbour, what about to punish also the grand Mom of those responsible…? They need a lesson and We have to give them hell!
    If Your questions is broadly about a moral duty, We have a lot to catch up with History to set the score right, theres been a lot of impunity that is considered as legitimate when is committed by the self proclaimed “powerful alliances” And if those crimes where the wrong doing of those “powerful alliances”
    It begs the question “HOW” how are We going to punish them…?
    You have the ball boys!!!
    Hurry to answer, You are on the grill!!!

    • 5thDrawer

      Hahaha. You assume then that there is an open regime, with some control, that publishes names of the guilty and tries them in the military court, and that all relevant evidence is reported.
      If you’re burning the skin off a school of teenagers, and no-one says who did it, then you assume the top dog is responsible.

      • SaSqUaTcH

        HAHAHA, YES the top dog is responsible is the one who give the orders,
        Honestly You are so hilarious, If a top dog does not have control over His Mercenaries, Therefore is not a top dog,
        Look is like You mom she always screws Your Dad and She carries the pants around the house If Your Dad following orders Shits on the carpet, Who is to blame? HAHAHA is You Mother, You see easy to explain even if You are one of those Orphans that doesn’t know shit but You eat it, The only thing You know is that You love Shit and is all that matters to You, This means that You don’t see the broad picture, Now don’t get Me started explaining to You about the broad picture, You see… have You seen the Posterior orifice of You Dad? Well that is Broad, And is because Your Mom inserts avery half hour a pineapple to Your Dad,

        • 5thDrawer

          We can see you came here just to defecate.

  • vasile grasu

    I think they want to void Syria of syrians ad give it to the palestinians..wasn’t it Syria Palestina the name of “Palestine” in the antique??! rhey are the same,anyways..

  • vasile grasu

    I think they want to void Syria of syrians ad give it to the palestinians..wasn’t it Syria Palestina the name of “Palestine” in the antique??! rhey are the same,anyways..

  • cook

    @hbarca:disqus @KiFiKTiZiC:disqus

    I raise my middle finger to salute you.
    long live Israel, from the Litani to Sinai, from the river to the sea.

    • Hannibal

      and I raise my schlong up the ass of your mother. Try to get one inch from Lebanon and you will see your collective ass kicked… What are you gonna do? go cry to big mommy the U.S. now?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWXXMj05l6M

      • cook
        • Hannibal

          We needed that part demolished… It was too costly. Then you did it for us. Now it looks much better and it did cost us nothing to demolish. We thank you.

          “Nazis made me be afraid of being a Jew; Zionists make me feel ashamed.”

          • cook

            No problem 😀 those air raids killed and injured thousands of you arabs, was worth it!

            and now our proxies in Syria will come after you after Damascus collapses, pack baby pack :=)

        • Igor Chingoski

          Oh yes the peaceful Israelis, is it in Your genes to be criminal…? or You do it just for fun…? THE WORLD IS KNOWING YOU LITLLE BY LITLLE AND WE ARE LEARNING THAT HITLER WAS A GOOD GUY :-)))

      • 5thDrawer

        Yup … War Is Hell. Welcome to the Middle East.

    • Igor Chingoski

      I can’t see Your finger Your dad is sitting on it :-)))

  • cook2half

    @hbarca:disqus @KiFiKTiZiC:disqus

    I raise my middle finger to salute you.
    long live Israel, from the Litani to Sinai, from the river to the sea.

    • Hannibal

      and I raise my schlong up the ass of your mother. Try to get one inch from Lebanon and you will see your collective ass kicked… What are you gonna do? go cry to big mommy the U.S. now?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWXXMj05l6M

      • cook2half
        • Hannibal

          We needed that part demolished… It was too costly. Then you did it for us. Now it looks much better and it did cost us nothing to demolish. We thank you.

          “Nazis made me be afraid of being a Jew; Zionists make me feel ashamed.”

          • cook2half

            No problem 😀 those air raids killed and injured thousands of you arabs, was worth it!

            and now our proxies in Syria will come after you after Damascus collapses, pack baby pack :=)

        • Igor Chingoski

          Oh yes the peaceful Israelis, is it in Your genes to be criminal…? or You do it just for fun…? THE WORLD IS KNOWING YOU LITLLE BY LITLLE AND WE ARE LEARNING THAT HITLER WAS A GOOD GUY :-)))

      • 5thDrawer

        Yup … War Is Hell. Welcome to the Middle East.

    • Igor Chingoski

      I can’t see Your finger Your dad is sitting on it :-)))

  • LEOPOLD NDI

    IN ANY CASE THE SARIN USE WAS A GREAT CONCENTRATED (MORE CONCENTRATED EVEN THAN JUICE FRUIT) THE UN DO NOT WANT TO SAY MORE BUT COME ON, HOW SYRIA CAN DO A CHEMICAL THAT EVEN JAPAN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO, AMY BE IT IS NOT THE ZIONIST BASTARD MAYBE IT IS JUST HIS BROTHER THE FRENCH BASTARD

  • LEOPOLD NDI

    IN ANY CASE THE SARIN USE WAS A GREAT CONCENTRATED (MORE CONCENTRATED EVEN THAN JUICE FRUIT) THE UN DO NOT WANT TO SAY MORE BUT COME ON, HOW SYRIA CAN DO A CHEMICAL THAT EVEN JAPAN WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO, AMY BE IT IS NOT THE ZIONIST BASTARD MAYBE IT IS JUST HIS BROTHER THE FRENCH BASTARD