Did Phoenicians beat Columbus by 2000 years?

phoenecian shipChristopher Columbus has long been the poster boy Renaissance explorer who found fame and fortune by sailing from the Old World to the New.

Crossing the great unknown waters between Spain and the Caribbean in 1492, he became one of the most renowned — and pivotal — Europeans to set foot in America.

But more than five centuries later, a British adventurer plans to show that the New World could have been reached by another seafaring nation 2,000 years before Columbus.

Former Royal Navy officer Philip Beale hopes to sail a replica Phoenician boat 10,000 kilometers across the Atlantic in an ambitious voyage that could challenge maritime history.

By completing the journey, Beale aims to demonstrate that the Phoenicians — the ancient Mediterranean civilization that prospered from 1500BC to 300BC — had the capability to sail to the U.S.; a theory disputed by historians.

“It is one of the greatest voyages of mankind and if anyone could have done it [before Columbus], it was the Phoenicians,” said Beale.

“Of all the ancient civilizations they were the greatest seafarers — Lebanon had cedar trees perfect for building strong boats, they were the first to use iron nails, and they had knowledge of astrology and currents.”

The prospect of sailing a 50-ton wooden vessel identical to those built 2,600 years ago across the Atlantic might appear foolhardy, had Beale not already challenged maritime history two years ago.

Beale sailed the replica boat — aptly named The Phoenician — around Africa in 2010, in a bid to demonstrate the ancient civilization had the capability to circumnavigate the continent 2,000 years before the first recorded European; Bartolomeu Dias, in 1488.

Setting sail from Syria in 2008, The Phoenician covered 32,000 kilometers over two years, battling everything from six-meter waves off the Cape of Good Hope to Somali pirates.

“We had run the gauntlet of pirate-infested waters, overcome numerous technical problems and traveled deep into the Indian and Atlantic Oceans,” Beale says in a new book on the incredible voyage; ‘Sailing Close to the Wind.’

“I had proved she was an ocean-going vessel and when she was coasting along the waves, her sail billowing in the wind; to captain her had been an unforgettable experience.”

Beale based his ambitious quest on a quote by Greek Historian Herodotus, who claimed the Phoenicians circumnavigated Africa in 600BC.

Along with their sophisticated seafaring skills, the Phoenicians were renowned as an intellectual and industrious civilization who helped develop the alphabet we still use today.

Highly skilled in metalwork, ivory carving and glass-making, the name Phoenician derives from the iconic purple color they used to dye their superior textiles.

Dr Julian Whitewright, maritime archaeologist at the University of Southampton, added that a Phoenician voyage around Africa was “quite a plausible undertaking, based on the capabilities of the vessel of the period and historical material stating it took place.”

Former Royal Navy officer Beale hopes to sail a replica Phoenician sailboat across the Atlantic to prove the ancient civilization had the capability to make the voyage 2,000 years before Columbus.
Former Royal Navy officer Beale hopes to sail a replica Phoenician sailboat across the Atlantic to prove the ancient civilization had the capability to make the voyage 2,000 years before Columbus.

The boat was modeled on an ancient 19-meter Phoenician shipwreck excavated off the coast of Marseille. Using locally-sourced materials, shipbuilders stayed true to the original down to the exact thickness of the planks and position of the mast.

The crew of volunteers ranged from six to 15 people at any time, with 53 sailors from 14 different countries taking part over the entire journey.

“We didn’t have any mechanical winches and the anchor had to be pulled up and down by hand — it was back-breaking work,” Beale said.

“There was just one traditional toilet which dropped straight into the ocean, so you literally had to step out on the side of the boat to use it. When you had big waves coming at you in the middle of the night it could be quite scary. But at least there was no cleaning.”

The final leg of the journey took them wide out across the Atlantic and a mere 965 kilometers off the coast of Florida. It was here Beale got his inspiration for the journey to the U.S.

“Archeologists have found Egyptian mummies with traces of tobacco and cocaine which could only have come from the New World,” Beale said. “It indicates there was something going on across the Atlantic.”

Dr Mark McMenamin, professor of geology at Holyoke College, also points to evidence of Phoenician coins bearing maps of the Old and New World. He said copper coins with Phoenician iconography have also also been discovered in North America.

“The available evidence suggests that the Carthaginians (the western tribe of the Phoenicians) had the ability to cross the Atlantic at will,” he said.

Many historians however, remain doubtful. “If the Phoenicians got to England — which we think they did — I wouldn’t be surprised if the boat could get to America physically. But whether they could have done it without running out of food is a different matter,” maritimehistorian Sam Willis said.

There’s plenty of solid archeological proof the vikings got to America

Historian Sam Willis

“If you’re circumnavigating Africa you can always stop along the way. But you can’t when you’re going to America — it’s a massive stretch of sea and that’s the difference.”

Setting off from Tunisia, the modern-day Phoenician vessel is expected to take two to three months to reach America — granted Beale can raise £100,000 ($156,000) for the expedition.

New York’s Metropolitan Museum of Art has already invited him to display the boat as part of their upcoming exhibition on the Phoenicians, opening in September 2014.

“The conventional wisdom is that Christopher Columbus discovered America. But anyone who looks a little closer will see the Vikings were there around 900AD. They’ve found Viking settlements in Newfoundland, it’s undisputed,” Beale said.

“So Columbus was definitely second — at best. I put forward the theory that the Phoenicians could have been first and I hope to prove that was the case.”

CNN

  • Hannibal

    Carthaginian coins had maps of the world showing the “new world” on them. It is obvious they knew of its existence long before modern times. What is baffling is that the message of a land beyond the Atlantic was not preserved and Columbus thought he would reach India (in Asia) by going West not knowing the circumferential distance nor that he will hit the new world.
    The picture is an illustration of Mark McMenamin a geologist in Mount Holyoke College.

    • wargame1

      Research undertaken by Professor Barry Fell of Harvard University confirms that Muslims reached the continent at the time of Uthman, the third Caliph, concomitantly indicating the significant possibility that some of the Companions could have arrived there as well.

      Many Western researchers acknowledge the famous map of Piri Reis as proof of Muslim presence in America long before the endeavors of Columbus, as it minutely comprises the map of America, as well as extremely accurate measurements of the distance between America and Africa.

      • Hannibal

        So tell me wargame how come you are so proud of your non-Lebanese moslems reaching the Americas as you say (although we all know from history that they were the best horsemen but they feared the seas) YET you are not proud of the Phoenicians (your ancestors) who 2000 years before Islam and with lesser technologies tamed the known and the unknown world?

        • Prophettttt

          LOL.

    • wargame1

      Professor Barry Fell, retired lecturer from Harvard University and also a member of the American Academy of Science and Arts, the Royal Society, the Epigraphy Society and the Society of Scientific and Archeological Discoveries, is adamant about the arrival of Islam in America in the 650s,2 predicating this argument upon the Cufic calligraphy belonging to that era found in various diggings across America. If the words of Professor Fell have truth-value, then the Muslims had arrived in America during the era of Uthman, or at least that of Ali, the fourth caliph.

  • Hannibal

    Carthaginian coins had maps of the world showing the “new world” on them. It is obvious they knew of its existence long before modern times. What is baffling is that the message of a land beyond the Atlantic was not preserved and Columbus thought he would reach India (in Asia) by going West not knowing the circumferential distance nor that he will hit the new world.

    • wargame1

      Research undertaken by Professor Barry Fell of Harvard University confirms that Muslims reached the continent at the time of Uthman, the third Caliph, concomitantly indicating the significant possibility that some of the Companions could have arrived there as well.

      Many Western researchers acknowledge the famous map of Piri Reis as proof of Muslim presence in America long before the endeavors of Columbus, as it minutely comprises the map of America, as well as extremely accurate measurements of the distance between America and Africa.

    • wargame1

      Professor Barry Fell, retired lecturer from Harvard University and also a member of the American Academy of Science and Arts, the Royal Society, the Epigraphy Society and the Society of Scientific and Archeological Discoveries, is adamant about the arrival of Islam in America in the 650s,2 predicating this argument upon the Cufic calligraphy belonging to that era found in various diggings across America. If the words of Professor Fell have truth-value, then the Muslims had arrived in America during the era of Uthman, or at least that of Ali, the fourth caliph.

  • Hannibal

    Carthaginian coins had maps of the world showing the “new world” on them. It is obvious they knew of its existence long before modern times. What is baffling is that the message of a land beyond the Atlantic was not preserved and Columbus thought he would reach India (in Asia) by going West not knowing the circumferential distance nor that he will hit the new world.

    • wargame1

      Research undertaken by Professor Barry Fell of Harvard University confirms that Muslims reached the continent at the time of Uthman, the third Caliph, concomitantly indicating the significant possibility that some of the Companions could have arrived there as well.

      Many Western researchers acknowledge the famous map of Piri Reis as proof of Muslim presence in America long before the endeavors of Columbus, as it minutely comprises the map of America, as well as extremely accurate measurements of the distance between America and Africa.

      • Hannibal

        So tell me wargame how come you are so proud of your non-Lebanese moslems reaching the Americas as you say (although we all know from history that they were the best horsemen but they feared the seas) YET you are not proud of the Phoenicians (your ancestors) who 2000 years before Islam and with lesser technologies tamed the known and the unknown world?

        • Prophettttt

          LOL.

    • wargame1

      Professor Barry Fell, retired lecturer from Harvard University and also a member of the American Academy of Science and Arts, the Royal Society, the Epigraphy Society and the Society of Scientific and Archeological Discoveries, is adamant about the arrival of Islam in America in the 650s,2 predicating this argument upon the Cufic calligraphy belonging to that era found in various diggings across America. If the words of Professor Fell have truth-value, then the Muslims had arrived in America during the era of Uthman, or at least that of Ali, the fourth caliph.

  • MekensehParty

    “Archeologists have found Egyptian mummies with traces of tobacco and cocaine which could only have come from the New World”
    This tradition has survived, in present days Lebanese go to south America to bring back cocaine for Arab royalties!
    yek yek yek

    • wargame1

      Digging for the Red Roots

      by Mahir Abdal-Razzaaq El

      My name is Mahir Abdal-Razzaaq El and I am a Cherokee Blackfoot American Indian who is Muslim. I am known as Eagle Sun Walker. I serve as a Pipe Carrier Warrior for the Northeastern Band of Cherokee Indians in New York City.

      There are other Muslims in our group. For the most part, not many people are aware of the Native American contact with Islam that began over one thousand years ago by some of the early Muslim travelers who visited us. Some of these Muslim travelers ended up living among our people.

      For most Muslims and non-Muslims of today, this type of information is unknown and has never been mentioned in any of the history books. There are many documents, treaties, legislation and resolutions that were passed between 1600s and 1800s that show that Muslims were in fact here and were very active in the comunities in which they lived. Treaties such as Peace and Friendship that was signed on the Delaware River in the year 1787 bear the signatures of Abdel-Khak and Muhammad Ibn Abdullah. This treaty details our continued right to exist as a community in the areas of commerce, maritime shipping, current form of government at that time which was in accordance with Islam. According to a federal court case from the Continental Congress, we help put the breath of life in to the newly framed constitution. All of the documents are presently in the National Archives as well as the Library of Congress.

      If you have access to records in the state of South Carolina, read the Moors Sundry Act of 1790. In a future article, Inshallah, I will go in to more details about the various tribes, their languages; in which some are influenced by Arabic, Persian, Hebrew words. Almost all of the tribes vocabulary include the word Allah. The traditional dress code for Indian women includes the kimah and long dresses. For men, standard fare is turbans and long tops that come down to the knees. If you were to look at any of the old books on Cherokee clothing up until the time of 1832, you will see the men wearing turbans and the women wearing long head coverings. The last Cherokee chief who had a Muslim name was Ramadhan Ibn Wati of the Cherokees in 1866.

      Cities across the United States and Canada bear names that are of Indian and Islamic derivation. Have you ever wondered what the name Tallahassee means? It means that He Allah will deliver you sometime in the future.

      • 5thDrawer

        Never wondered … sounds mystical enough … delivering the mail now would be good.

  • MekensehParty

    “Archeologists have found Egyptian mummies with traces of tobacco and cocaine which could only have come from the New World”
    This tradition has survived, in present days Lebanese go to south America to bring back cocaine for Arab royalties!
    yek yek yek

  • MekensehParty

    “Archeologists have found Egyptian mummies with traces of tobacco and cocaine which could only have come from the New World”
    This tradition has survived, in present days Lebanese go to south America to bring back cocaine for Arab royalties!
    yek yek yek

    • wargame1

      Digging for the Red Roots

      by Mahir Abdal-Razzaaq El

      My name is Mahir Abdal-Razzaaq El and I am a Cherokee Blackfoot American Indian who is Muslim. I am known as Eagle Sun Walker. I serve as a Pipe Carrier Warrior for the Northeastern Band of Cherokee Indians in New York City.

      There are other Muslims in our group. For the most part, not many people are aware of the Native American contact with Islam that began over one thousand years ago by some of the early Muslim travelers who visited us. Some of these Muslim travelers ended up living among our people.

      For most Muslims and non-Muslims of today, this type of information is unknown and has never been mentioned in any of the history books. There are many documents, treaties, legislation and resolutions that were passed between 1600s and 1800s that show that Muslims were in fact here and were very active in the comunities in which they lived. Treaties such as Peace and Friendship that was signed on the Delaware River in the year 1787 bear the signatures of Abdel-Khak and Muhammad Ibn Abdullah. This treaty details our continued right to exist as a community in the areas of commerce, maritime shipping, current form of government at that time which was in accordance with Islam. According to a federal court case from the Continental Congress, we help put the breath of life in to the newly framed constitution. All of the documents are presently in the National Archives as well as the Library of Congress.

      If you have access to records in the state of South Carolina, read the Moors Sundry Act of 1790. In a future article, Inshallah, I will go in to more details about the various tribes, their languages; in which some are influenced by Arabic, Persian, Hebrew words. Almost all of the tribes vocabulary include the word Allah. The traditional dress code for Indian women includes the kimah and long dresses. For men, standard fare is turbans and long tops that come down to the knees. If you were to look at any of the old books on Cherokee clothing up until the time of 1832, you will see the men wearing turbans and the women wearing long head coverings. The last Cherokee chief who had a Muslim name was Ramadhan Ibn Wati of the Cherokees in 1866.

      Cities across the United States and Canada bear names that are of Indian and Islamic derivation. Have you ever wondered what the name Tallahassee means? It means that He Allah will deliver you sometime in the future.

      • 5thDrawer

        Never wondered … sounds mystical enough … delivering the mail now would be good.

  • wargame1

    Professor Fell again uses the results of various archeological diggings undertaken across many regions in the states of Colorado, New Mexico, and Indiana to assert the construction of Muslim schools during 700-800 CE. Writings, drawings, and charts inscribed on rocks discovered in the most remote and untainted terrains of Western America are relics bestowed by the elementary and intermediate systems of Muslim education at the time.

    These documents were written in the old Cufic letters of North African Arabic, covering subjects such as reading, writing, arithmetic, religion, history, geography, mathematics, astronomy, and navigation. The descendants of these settlers are thought to be the current native tribes of Iroquois, Algonquin, Anasazi, Hohokam, and Olmec.

    The second evidence offered by Professor Fell is that the inscription of “In the Name of God” , found on a rock during archeological work in Nevada, belongs to the seventh century, when the haraka sign system had not yet been developed. Likewise, the stone bearing the inscription “Muhammad is the Prophet of God” is pertinent to the same era. As seen by comparison of the two pictures, the inscriptions are not in the style of Modern Arabic; conversely they are in a Cufic style relevant to the seventh century.

    Google:

    “Islam and Muslims in America before Columbus” for full news and pictures

  • wargame1

    Professor Fell again uses the results of various archeological diggings undertaken across many regions in the states of Colorado, New Mexico, and Indiana to assert the construction of Muslim schools during 700-800 CE. Writings, drawings, and charts inscribed on rocks discovered in the most remote and untainted terrains of Western America are relics bestowed by the elementary and intermediate systems of Muslim education at the time.

    These documents were written in the old Cufic letters of North African Arabic, covering subjects such as reading, writing, arithmetic, religion, history, geography, mathematics, astronomy, and navigation. The descendants of these settlers are thought to be the current native tribes of Iroquois, Algonquin, Anasazi, Hohokam, and Olmec.

    The second evidence offered by Professor Fell is that the inscription of “In the Name of God” , found on a rock during archeological work in Nevada, belongs to the seventh century, when the haraka sign system had not yet been developed. Likewise, the stone bearing the inscription “Muhammad is the Prophet of God” is pertinent to the same era. As seen by comparison of the two pictures, the inscriptions are not in the style of Modern Arabic; conversely they are in a Cufic style relevant to the seventh century.

    Google:

    “Islam and Muslims in America before Columbus” for full news and pictures

  • wargame1

    Professor Fell again uses the results of various archeological diggings undertaken across many regions in the states of Colorado, New Mexico, and Indiana to assert the construction of Muslim schools during 700-800 CE. Writings, drawings, and charts inscribed on rocks discovered in the most remote and untainted terrains of Western America are relics bestowed by the elementary and intermediate systems of Muslim education at the time.

    These documents were written in the old Cufic letters of North African Arabic, covering subjects such as reading, writing, arithmetic, religion, history, geography, mathematics, astronomy, and navigation. The descendants of these settlers are thought to be the current native tribes of Iroquois, Algonquin, Anasazi, Hohokam, and Olmec.

    The second evidence offered by Professor Fell is that the inscription of “In the Name of God” , found on a rock during archeological work in Nevada, belongs to the seventh century, when the haraka sign system had not yet been developed. Likewise, the stone bearing the inscription “Muhammad is the Prophet of God” is pertinent to the same era. As seen by comparison of the two pictures, the inscriptions are not in the style of Modern Arabic; conversely they are in a Cufic style relevant to the seventh century.

    Google:

    “Islam and Muslims in America before Columbus” for full news and pictures

  • wargame1

    New Zealand archaeologist and linguist Barry Fell in his work Saga America points to evidence of a Muslim’s presence in various parts of the Americas. In addition to drawing several cultural parallels between West African peoples and certain “Indian” peoples of the southwest, Fell points out that the southwest’s Pima people possessed a vocabulary which contained words of Arabic origin.

    The presence of such words among the Pima is compounded by the existence of Islamic petrogyphs in places like California. Fell informs us that in Inyo county, California, there exists an early American petrogyph (rock carving) which states in Arabic: “Yasus ben Maria” (“Jesus, Son of Mary”), a phrase commonly found within the surahs of the Holy Qur’an. Fell is convinced that this glyph is many centuries older than the U.S.

    Fell also identifies the Algonquian language as having words with Arabic roots, especially words which pertained to navigation, astronomy, meteorology, medicine, and anatomy. The presence of such words again illustrates significant cultural contact between the American “Indians” and the Arabic-speaking peoples of the Islamic world. Such Islamic peoples evidently came primarily from the African continent as additional evidence suggests.

  • wargame1

    New Zealand archaeologist and linguist Barry Fell in his work Saga America points to evidence of a Muslim’s presence in various parts of the Americas. In addition to drawing several cultural parallels between West African peoples and certain “Indian” peoples of the southwest, Fell points out that the southwest’s Pima people possessed a vocabulary which contained words of Arabic origin.

    The presence of such words among the Pima is compounded by the existence of Islamic petrogyphs in places like California. Fell informs us that in Inyo county, California, there exists an early American petrogyph (rock carving) which states in Arabic: “Yasus ben Maria” (“Jesus, Son of Mary”), a phrase commonly found within the surahs of the Holy Qur’an. Fell is convinced that this glyph is many centuries older than the U.S.

    Fell also identifies the Algonquian language as having words with Arabic roots, especially words which pertained to navigation, astronomy, meteorology, medicine, and anatomy. The presence of such words again illustrates significant cultural contact between the American “Indians” and the Arabic-speaking peoples of the Islamic world. Such Islamic peoples evidently came primarily from the African continent as additional evidence suggests.

  • 5thDrawer

    Yes. yes … all very interesting. ‘Man’ has walked the planet as long as 1.5 million years … why not expect that some survived the ocean trips as well. Thor Heyerdahl and ‘The Kon Tiki Expedition’ floated a ‘native’ raft to prove a point on that. And the people of Newfoundland knew about the Viking villages long before archeologists ‘proved’ someone had been there ‘before’. I suppose it’s just as well that ‘Vikings’ as a breed didn’t survive politically or they’d be trying to claim North America too. :-)
    So assume the Muslim Breed travelled like ALL peoples did. So what?
    There are Viking boats lying about as well. On occasion some ‘archeologists’ think they found ‘The Ark’ too.
    Humans like to travel.
    But mostly they didn’t have record-keeping arranged very well. Or it took years to get ‘back’ to a place they had been before and they didn’t recognize it because the fauna had changed. Or a ‘new tribe’ there wiped them out … war being the main stopper of information flow. When Joshua gave everyone a new brass trumpet and said ‘go blow that thing at Jericho’ and the walls fell down, do you think anyone ran around collecting the clay tablets with information on them after?
    Hell … they didn’t even reinvent the trumpet until 1500BC. :-)

    Whole libraries have been lost in the idiocy of wars. And we’re not even sure the Vikings kept good ones.
    Soon we will find out that Muslims killed off the Vikings, I suppose.
    But then, winter hit.

    The singular advantage of ‘modern man’ over all the previous packs of roaming Tourist Breeds is that he can Twit about it, and have that recorded ‘forever’ in Libraries which again few read.
    But the occasional ‘brain’ can now do some research of little collections of twits of information filed away on dusty shelves or in dim caves, and pump out the theories with more to back them up than was known by all the brains who never went to a library. And this IS wonderful. Until some idiot uses that to start another war, of course, wipes out the accessible libraries, and re-writes history for a time. (Russia is still catching up … and how many are reading?)

    The Human. A Unique Breed of touristic animal – generally believing it was dropped instantly onto a planet in whatever locale it finds itself – and always willing to ignore a library.

  • 5thDrawer

    Yes. yes … all very interesting. ‘Man’ has walked the planet as long as 1.5 million years … why not expect that some survived the ocean trips as well. Thor Heyerdahl and ‘The Kon Tiki Expedition’ floated a ‘native’ raft to prove a point on that. And the people of Newfoundland knew about the Viking villages long before archeologists ‘proved’ someone had been there ‘before’. I suppose it’s just as well that ‘Vikings’ as a breed didn’t survive politically or they’d be trying to claim North America too. :-)
    So assume the Muslim Breed travelled like ALL peoples did. So what?
    There are Viking boats lying about as well. On occasion some ‘archeologists’ think they found ‘The Ark’ too.
    Humans like to travel.
    But mostly they didn’t have record-keeping arranged very well. Or it took years to get ‘back’ to a place they had been before and they didn’t recognize it because the fauna had changed. Or a ‘new tribe’ there wiped them out … war being the main stopper of information flow. When Joshua gave everyone a new brass trumpet and said ‘go blow that thing at Jericho’ and the walls fell down, do you think anyone ran around collecting the clay tablets with information on them after?
    Hell … they didn’t even reinvent the trumpet until 1500BC. :-)

    Whole libraries have been lost in the idiocy of wars. And we’re not even sure the Vikings kept good ones.
    Soon we will find out that Muslims killed off the Vikings, I suppose.
    But then, winter hit.

    The singular advantage of ‘modern man’ over all the previous packs of roaming Tourist Breeds is that he can Twit about it, and have that recorded ‘forever’ in Libraries which again few read.
    But the occasional ‘brain’ can now do some research of little collections of twits of information filed away on dusty shelves or in dim caves, and pump out the theories with more to back them up than was known by all the brains who never went to a library. And this IS wonderful. Until some idiot uses that to start another war, of course, wipes out the accessible libraries, and re-writes history for a time. (Russia is still catching up … and how many are reading?)

    The Human. A Unique Breed of touristic animal – generally believing it was dropped instantly onto a planet in whatever locale it finds itself – and always willing to ignore a library.

  • IraniAngel

    yes they did… and the native indians beat columbus by 10 000 years. europeans always miss these facts

    • Hannibal

      Native Americans crossed from Asia on the permafrost. It was relatively as easy as walking during the last ice age. It is a different feat that the Phoenicians at that time and the Vikings dared the rough seas and the famine to reach the new world before the steam engine was invented.

      • IraniAngel

        i’m fully aware of that, but the europeans somehow manage to make it seem like they ‘discovered’ the ‘new’ world

  • IraniAngel

    yes they did… and the native indians beat columbus by 10 000 years. europeans always miss these facts

    • Hannibal

      Native Americans crossed from Asia on the permafrost. It was relatively as easy as walking during the last ice age. It is a different feat that the Phoenicians at that time and the Vikings dared the rough seas and the famine to reach the new world before the steam engine was invented.

      • IraniAngel

        i’m fully aware of that, but the europeans somehow manage to make it seem like they ‘discovered’ the ‘new’ world

  • badran ghosn

    we had found ancient ivory ship model in sidon prove that phoenicians owned the most advanced ship in ancient history…see at badran ghosn photo stream

    • 5thDrawer

      Or, at least, proved they could go to Africa, kill an elephant, and carve things using the tusks.
      Are you a photographer? Nice ‘advert’. :-)

  • badran ghosn

    we had found ancient ivory ship model in sidon prove that phoenicians owned the most advanced ship in ancient history…see at badran ghosn photo stream

    • 5thDrawer

      Or, at least, proved they could go to Africa, kill an elephant, and carve things using the tusks.
      Are you a photographer? Nice ‘advert’. :-)