Israel may prefer Assad to stay

Israel has long complained about Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s alliance with Iran, his support for the Shiite militia Hezbollah and his sheltering of leaders from Palestinian militant groups, such as Hamas, in Damascus.

But with Assad facing the most serious threat to his rule since he took power nearly 11 years ago, Israelis have been forced to confront the notion that they may well be better off with him than without him.

Assad, like his father before him, has ensured that the Israeli-Syrian border has remained Israel’s quietest front for decades, enabling that country’s northern residents to flourish in an atmosphere of relative peace even as the two nations remain technically in a state of war.

The possibility that the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood or radical groups could rise to power in place of Syria’s secular, stable leadership has prompted fear among some Israelis. Watching the Muslim Brotherhood gain a foothold in Egypt’s political system after the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak has only fed an Israeli squeamishness about the prospect of regime change in Damascus.

As one member of Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s cabinet put it, “We know Assad. We knew his father. Of course, we’d love to have a democratic Syria as our neighbor. But do I think that’s going to happen? No.”

For now, there is little that Israel can do other than sit and monitor the demonstrations in Syria, which have drawn thousands to the streets over the past 10 days and led to clashes with security services, leaving at least 60 people dead. On Tuesday, the Syrian cabinet resigned in an effort to prop up Assad, who is expected to lift a repressive emergency law and ease other restrictions.

“We’ve had a dictator, but it’s been very quiet,” a senior Israeli military commander said.“On the other hand, it’s absolutely clear to us that the Syrians play a negative role” in the region.

The possibility that the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood or radical groups could rise to power in place of Syria’s secular, stable leadership has prompted fear among some Israelis. Watching the Muslim Brotherhood gain a foothold in Egypt’s political system after the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak has only fed an Israeli squeamishness about the prospect of regime change in Damascus.

As one member of Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s cabinet put it, “We know Assad. We knew his father. Of course, we’d love to have a democratic Syria as our neighbor. But do I think that’s going to happen? No.”

For now, there is little that Israel can do other than sit and monitor the demonstrations in Syria, which have drawn thousands to the streets over the past 10 days and led to clashes with security services, leaving at least 60 people dead. On Tuesday, the Syrian cabinet resigned in an effort to prop up Assad, who is expected to lift a repressive emergency law and ease other restrictions.

“We’ve had a dictator, but it’s been very quiet,” a senior Israeli military commander said.“On the other hand, it’s absolutely clear to us that the Syrians play a negative role” in the region. WP

  • eblashko

    As an Israeli, I will say that most normal here people are hoping that Assad’s regime falls. This article states that with the Assad regime, we have quiet on the northern border. This is not true. As a key member to Iran’s evil axis, Syria cowardly attacks my country by means of Hezbollah and Hamas instead of head on. I think that any regime change in Syria would be good for us, good for Lebanon, and bad for Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran, but most importantly, it would be good for Syria.

    Who knows… maybe the next regime will wake up and realize that they can have peace with a neighbor and get the Golan back as long as they stop trying to arm Hezbollah and destabilize Lebanon and Iraq. Anything would be better than Assad.

    • nagy_michael2000

      Eblashko I totally agree with you. You make a lot of sense..

      • Rafic

        Eblashko as you said Bibi does not have the balls like late PM Rabin, he is so rigid and stupid, now is the time to make amends with Palestinians while the Arab world is busy with demonstrations, show good will man time is against Israel. Is Israel better off then 30 years ago ,’no’ of course what are you waiting for. As to Syrian and Iranian regimes they are good at demonising the West and creating an enemy that does not really exist to pre-occupy the masses and suppress them forever, but it is not working , masses are more educated and they do not buy the B. S. any more.

        • Actually Mohamad, there is written correspondence between the leadership of the Arabs of British Palestine and Nazi Germany on the subject. In addition, I base my 18th century stats on Ottoman statistics and even they inflated the number of Muslims. Don’t just dismiss things, that’s not a valid way to debate.

      • Actually Mohamad, the majority of the Arabs of Palestine came in since the beginning of the 19th century. In 1799, there were 70,000 settled persons there including Jews. In fact, since the Roman occupation, Jews were still a significant portion of the population until the 11th century AD. Since then, Muslims have eroded the existing Jewish population. Jews moved home every hundred years only to be extorted, massacred, over taxed and driven from agriculture by Muslims. In addition, the leadership of the Muslims of British Palestine sabotaged Nazi efforts to deport their Jews to Palestine and were responsible for at least 1/6 Holocaust Jewish deaths. Also, even Ashkenazi Jews carried their traditions, their alphabet, their Hebrew words and their genetic origin which is 50 – 80% South Levantine.

        • Mosetsfire

          I love how you create these wonderful numbers and theories. You are holding peasants growing olives for a living responsible for the death of 1 million Jews. You are delusional if you expect me or anyone on this website to buy into your silly theories and made up statistics.

          Your FM was a Russian until 1994…People make Aliyah by the thousands every year and they are given land that belongs to some one else. Ashkenazi or Sephardic, a Jew Settler building on Palestinian land is a thief.

          But again, these stats do not matter. I do not care about them, the modern world sees Israel as an occupier of an indigenous people with no regard for international statutes. Get out of the West Bank, and stop the siege on Gaza and fall in line with international law. These are the first steps to Israel getting the peace she desires.

        • Any Questions,this is factually recorded history…

    • Mosetsfire

      Your words are good in theory Eblashko, but the actions of your country speak a completely different language. For years your country has been militarily supported by the US and you have unabashedly used this military superiority to expropriate land and resources from its rightful owners. Go look along the Israeli-Lebanese border if you do not believe me. Your eyes will not lie to you when you see a field of green on the Israeli side of the fence, and fields of brown on the Lebanese side.

      I am a Lebanese citizen, and I love my country, and I WANT peace with Israel, but peace will not come due to regimes falling. Peace will come when Israel respects the fact that the international community displaced an indigenous people to accommodate the Jewish people after their persecution in World War II.

      Take a hard look at the actions of your government and your ideology and when the people of Israel are ready to accept their neighbors and take the proper actions to prove this, there will be peace, but the onus will fall on the newest member of the neighborhood to prove itself to its indigenous neighbors, not vice versa.

      In short my friend, there is no reason we cannot coexist peacefully, but it has to be a just peace. It will not be contingent on which dictator or regime is overthrown, but by a willingness to cooperate. The occupation of Palestine, and the complete disregard for the Arab Peace Initiative is the ultimate proof that Israel is not willing to negotiate or cooperate.

      Salam/Shalom

      • eblashko

        Thanks for the kind words Mohamad. I completely agree with you about my government’s destructive policies vis-a-vis the Palestinians. I think the occupation should end, or, at the very least, settlement building should be frozen temporarily to allow for negotiations though would finally demarcate an official border. Netanyahu is a coward and, according to most recent polls, if elections were held today, he would be out of power, so it seems like most of my countrymen agree with you also. But don’t worry. It looks like the Palestinians have gotten their shit together, and they’ll be declaring a state in September with our without us, so they’ll make Netanyahu’s job that much easier 🙂

        I do have to disagree with you though about two things: First, you say that we Jews are the “new” neighbors and that we supplanted the “indigenous” inhabitants. Let me clarify, Mohamad, that WE JEWS are the original “indigenous” inhabitant here.The archeology, the place-names, and even genetics can prove that. I’m not saying the Palestinians aren’t “indigenous” also. This is just as much their land as it is ours. In fact most recent genetic studies indicate that Jews and Palestinian Arabs are genetically more closely related to each other than they are to any other groups in the world, including other Levantine Arabs. In fact, it’s precisely because we weren’t “indigenous” in Europe that the Holocaust happened in the first place. People should have a right to return to their home. There is a large Lebanese diaspora. Should they lose their right to come home because they spent time abroad? Of course not! Would you tell a Black American that he isn’t African because his family has lived in America for many generations?

        The second thing is the situation in Lebanon and Syria. In 2000, two things happened. First, Barak pulled the IDF completely out of Lebanon, in complete accordance with the UN. In the same year, he offered the elder Assad the entire Golan Heights (1947 border) in exchange for peace. Or course, as always, the Syrians rejected, saying that they wanted the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee too (1949 border). That’s where we get all of our water from. Now you say that our grass is greener than yours, but you know the famous saying :the grass is always greener on the other side, well we look at pictures of Lebanon’s beautiful green cedars and mountains white with snow while we miserably pray for rain. They said that this year, we got only 70% of how much rain we need. All of our water comes from the Sea of Galilee, and it’s at a pitiful level right now.

        Anyway, what I mean is that putting the Palestinian issue aside, there should be absolutely no reason why Israel can’t make peace with both Syria and Lebanon, just like they did with Jordan and Egypt, by withdrawing from the Golan Heights, including the Sheba farms. The current Syrian regime, and their Hezbollah puppet, would never allow it. Did you see Assad’s speech today. He blamed the protests on Israel (big surprise). Imagine how he would be able to keep his country together if he didn’t have Israel to blame for all of his country’s woes. Same goes for Hezbollah and Iran.

        • 5thDrawer

          You people over there actually have grass? Funny I’ve never seen any in travelogs … hmmm 😉
          But with lack of clean water, and the pollution you add to what is there, I wonder if keeping families to 2.2 children wouldn’t be the better way to resolve ALL your problems? There’d be no reason to keep trying to grab dessert and rock from anyone then, right? Right? Oh well, maybe it’s all about silly humans and ancient religious inflexability then.

      • We want peace with every country, but that will never happen until you realize that it is we who are the indigenous people of the land that Arabic speakers began to call Palestine in the last few decades, which was the first time it had been called as such in Arabic since the first century after the Muslim conquest. Furthermore, local non-Jews had been collaborating in passive aggressive ethnic cleansing against the Jews in their land for centuries and practiced discriminatory laws. Jews are the oldest community in the land. If war had not been launched against us then no one would have had to move from his land.

        • Mosetsfire

          I am not opposed to a Jewish state Adam, but many Jews in Israel today are immigrants from the US, Europe and Africa. I am sorry the Romans expelled you from Palestine 2,000 years ago but that was not the fault of the indigenous Arabs who have occupied that land since roughly 800 AD. Again regardless of these claims, we are no longer in the middle ages and we in a modern world that should be tolerant of all walks of life.

          Arabs have accepted that the State of Israel is here to stay for the most part (unfortunately every race has their idiots) but until Jews, such as yourself, realize that you do not have exclusive rights to the land, there can be no peace. I am all for a functioning safe Israeli state WITHIN the 1967 borders or armistice lines. Remove the Settler population which flat out terrorizes the Palestinians in the West Bank and fall in line with international obligations laid forth by the UN resolutions and you will find peace at your doorstep.

        • Mosetsfire

          I am not opposed to a Jewish state Adam, but many Jews in Israel today are immigrants from the US, Europe and Africa. I am sorry the Romans expelled you from Palestine 2,000 years ago but that was not the fault of the indigenous Arabs who have occupied that land since roughly 800 AD. Again regardless of these claims, we are no longer in the middle ages and we in a modern world that should be tolerant of all walks of life.

          Arabs have accepted that the State of Israel is here to stay for the most part (unfortunately every race has their idiots) but until Jews, such as yourself, realize that you do not have exclusive rights to the land, there can be no peace. I am all for a functioning safe Israeli state WITHIN the 1967 borders or armistice lines. Remove the Settler population which flat out terrorizes the Palestinians in the West Bank and fall in line with international obligations laid forth by the UN resolutions and you will find peace at your doorstep.

        • marc

          Adam,

          You pretend that the land belong to the jew because you were the first nation. You pretend to be a democratic nation when you treat the arab as a second class citizen. Worst we are brother my friend (in blood) we are semitic people just like your people.

          We belong there and should have equal right. The true patriotic lebanese are capable to live in peace in harmony, because we believe that lebanon belong to all of us not just the christian or the mulslim. You want to divide us to show the world that arab cannot co-exist peacefully with other religious sect.

          In the end you believe that we have no soul no right… This mind set create conflict among human, you should see the value in all human before you label them as only Arab…

          Shalom

    • lebnaneh

      you are in the wrong site you should put your comment in the israels paper and you should keep your opinion to yourself as you are a wimps people and you don;t fight army to army you always kill the civilians to put pressure on the other and you are never faithfull to your allies if the region in syria goes you will get a lot of stick and you will desever what you get i hate syria and the syrian but i hate you more what you did to our beautiful country and to the people whom help you in the south you craphead lets hope thats orachalim will be destroyed soon and don;t try to show us how good are the isreals we know you well you twits

      • eblashko

        We’re never faithful to our allies in the region? What allies are you talking about? Iran abandoned us. Turkey abandoned us. Name me one ally that we betrayed. Even members of the SLA now find refuge as citizens here in Israel, and many live here in my city of Haifa.

        As far as killing civilians, although it doesn’t seem so, unlike Hezbollah and Hamas, who purposefully send their rockets at large civilian centers, we send our missiles are rocket-launching sites and weapons storehouses that the terrorists populate with people to inflate the number of dead civilians to make us look bad. Hamas and Hezbollah have no problem killing their own civilians, as evidenced by the Hamas takeover of Gaza in 2007 and the Hezbollah street-war in 2008. Just yesterday Israel published a map of all the villages in S. Lebanon that have been turned into military installations… how are we supposed to fight that? It’s impossible to fight a human shield. Maybe if Hezbollah and Hamas spent as much on shelters as they do on rockets, there’d be a lot less casualties. But it seems that’s not their priority.

        I’m not saying that I agree with the 2006 war. It was a disaster, it was widely unpopular here, and all of the leaders responsible were fired for it (Peretz, Halutz). But I do believe that Iran will eventually tell their puppet Hezbollah to attack again, and I don’t see how it’s possible for another war to be avoided, unless of course the Lebanese wake up and realize that the greatest threat to their sovereignty is not Israel at all, who has absolutely no problem with Lebanon, but Iran/Hezbollah, who would like nothing more than to turn Lebanon into the next Iraq.

        • Mosetsfire

          Turkey abandoned you after your slaughtered 1,400 civilians in Gaza, and shot 9 Turkish nationals in international waters.

          As far as Hezbollah and Hamas, if you look just through a few posts here you will see that Hezbollah isn’t a popular entity in Lebanon, but its powers are fueled by the actions of your state in 2006, and the fact that there are still millions of cluster bombs in southern Lebanon only furthers the need for a resistance against an aggressor such as Israel.

          http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/palestinian-cleared-of-rape-charges-the-police-treated-us-like-dogs-1.353289

          Read this story, and you will see why no one believes Israel when they call for peace. Your actions and your words go in 2 different directions. We “regret” the loss of civilian life….but we will not abstain from using cluster bombs and white phosphorus (both of which are in direct violation of the Geneva convention).

          And as your friend Adam pointed out, Jews have been persecuted throughout history. But, ironically, when all the nations of the world finally decided to act right, and the suffering of the victims of the single greatest tragedy in human history was acknowledged, you as a collective, marketed your victimization and now use it as leverage while you ethnically cleanse Palestine of its Arab population.

        • lebnaneh

          ya man iam talking about the lebanese and lebanon i don;t care about any other syria or iran or the rest what happen in the south man lahed man what happen to them? what happen to the lebanese forces in the moutain of kfarmataa and who bomb them from the sky don;t play daft plus what happen to our water that you stoll of the litani river why you always play the poor lamb while you are a true wild dog why israel don;t agree to let the lebanese army get guns and jet and why for years your border with the syrian are so nice and peacefull you and iran made a deal about the arab you want to change the middle east but it will back fire on you and lets hope israel will be destroyed one day and it will be from your fanatic one you are the filth of the filth and stop trying to play the nice one

        • No, we treated them terribly. A number of them went back and surrendered.

          To Mohamad, in what context are you accusing Israel of “slaughtering 1400 civilians”? I think you’ll find that there is not one shred of evidence to support the idea that Israel has EVER deliberately targeted civilians.

        • Fadi81

          we woke up in 2005-the 2006 fiasco was to redirect attention due to fear of the “new awakening” amongst the lebanese patriots….the war was launched and provoked so that the “resistance” can continue to have excuses to exist as a militant organization…lets not forget the world eye was watching and pressuring Iran and its nuclear activity at the time also…

      • Yet all the Arab nations have been playing the persecution card for decades..When you wake up and quit killing each other over anything and everything,quit trying to attack Israel,And spend some of that time,energy,and money on improving your own situation for yourselves and your children..Maybe,just maybe you guys can get somewhere in life.
        Ive been alive 40 years now and still here the same sad song from you..Get over it,make peace as best you can and get on with your own lives.But until you run these murdering dictators out of your governments you never will.Until you quit blaming Israel for everything and look inside your own people,again you never will.
        Its truly sad that you are like this…
        We made the horrible mistake with slavery in our past,but we are getting past that.Same with Germany and the Nazi’s.You guys haven’t even left the gate yet..Run Hezbollah and Hamas out of your countries back to Iran and cut ties with them and your lives will improve significantly.Israel wont attack Lebanon for the Lebanese,trust me it will be that monster cowering in a hole again. And that dentist next door isn’t helping your case.
        Grow up,accept your past and your actions,and think about your children instead of chasing a false dream inbreed into you by dictators that have been in power for way to long.Until then,you get nothing.And that is what is sad.
        We give you all billions of dollars.Do you get it?no.It ends up in [pockets of these scum despot’s.And in return they brainwash the Muslim people generation after generation into demonizing others.Case in point,the dentist’s speech yesterday,Iran’s elections, Syria’s elections, Why you still dont have a government,These riots are not about us or Israel,its because you all have failed governments that murder in mass to stay in power.Its up to you to stop it your self, and as long as you do nothing,they win and there is no peace.If you spent a third of the energy you spend bashing Israel and us on something constructive for your people,you would all be living in the next Dubai,or the new Orient..
        But no,its everyone else’s fault that you are residents of the 3rd world..And that my friend is a nightmare.
        And this is a opinion of a non religious person who has read up extensively on both sides…Yes Israel has faults.Tones of em,but the magnitude of what is happening in your own countries is due to your own doing.
        Sorry..It’s up to you to fix it yourself.

        • master09

          Well said, these clowns are so blinded by evil they know nothing else, dont worry most Lebanese including MP’s wanted to get rid of these thugs HA that threaten our peace and will kill Lebanese for the sake of Iran.

      • I am deeply ashamed of how we treated our allies in Lebanon. I despise Ehud Barak.

      • master09

        Wow so does Ha fight as an army or do they hide in peoples homes and fire weapons from there, come on get real.

  • eblashko

    As an Israeli, I will say that most normal here people are hoping that Assad’s regime falls. This article states that with the Assad regime, we have quiet on the northern border. This is not true. As a key member to Iran’s evil axis, Syria cowardly attacks my country by means of Hezbollah and Hamas instead of head on. I think that any regime change in Syria would be good for us, good for Lebanon, and bad for Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran, but most importantly, it would be good for Syria.

    Who knows… maybe the next regime will wake up and realize that they can have peace with a neighbor and get the Golan back as long as they stop trying to arm Hezbollah and destabilize Lebanon and Iraq. Anything would be better than Assad.

    • nagy_michael2000

      Eblashko I totally agree with you. You make a lot of sense..

      • Rafic

        Eblashko as you said Bibi does not have the balls like late PM Rabin, he is so rigid and stupid, now is the time to make amends with Palestinians while the Arab world is busy with demonstrations, show good will man time is against Israel. Is Israel better off then 30 years ago ,’no’ of course what are you waiting for. As to Syrian and Iranian regimes they are good at demonising the West and creating an enemy that does not really exist to pre-occupy the masses and suppress them forever, but it is not working , masses are more educated and they do not buy the B. S. any more.

        • Actually Mohamad, there is written correspondence between the leadership of the Arabs of British Palestine and Nazi Germany on the subject. In addition, I base my 18th century stats on Ottoman statistics and even they inflated the number of Muslims. Don’t just dismiss things, that’s not a valid way to debate.

      • Actually Mohamad, the majority of the Arabs of Palestine came in since the beginning of the 19th century. In 1799, there were 70,000 settled persons there including Jews. In fact, since the Roman occupation, Jews were still a significant portion of the population until the 11th century AD. Since then, Muslims have eroded the existing Jewish population. Jews moved home every hundred years only to be extorted, massacred, over taxed and driven from agriculture by Muslims. In addition, the leadership of the Muslims of British Palestine sabotaged Nazi efforts to deport their Jews to Palestine and were responsible for at least 1/6 Holocaust Jewish deaths. Also, even Ashkenazi Jews carried their traditions, their alphabet, their Hebrew words and their genetic origin which is 50 – 80% South Levantine.

        • Mosetsfire

          I love how you create these wonderful numbers and theories. You are holding peasants growing olives for a living responsible for the death of 1 million Jews. You are delusional if you expect me or anyone on this website to buy into your silly theories and made up statistics.

          Your FM was a Russian until 1994…People make Aliyah by the thousands every year and they are given land that belongs to some one else. Ashkenazi or Sephardic, a Jew Settler building on Palestinian land is a thief.

          But again, these stats do not matter. I do not care about them, the modern world sees Israel as an occupier of an indigenous people with no regard for international statutes. Get out of the West Bank, and stop the siege on Gaza and fall in line with international law. These are the first steps to Israel getting the peace she desires.

        • Any Questions,this is factually recorded history…

    • Mosetsfire

      Your words are good in theory Eblashko, but the actions of your country speak a completely different language. For years your country has been militarily supported by the US and you have unabashedly used this military superiority to expropriate land and resources from its rightful owners. Go look along the Israeli-Lebanese border if you do not believe me. Your eyes will not lie to you when you see a field of green on the Israeli side of the fence, and fields of brown on the Lebanese side.

      I am a Lebanese citizen, and I love my country, and I WANT peace with Israel, but peace will not come due to regimes falling. Peace will come when Israel respects the fact that the international community displaced an indigenous people to accommodate the Jewish people after their persecution in World War II.

      Take a hard look at the actions of your government and your ideology and when the people of Israel are ready to accept their neighbors and take the proper actions to prove this, there will be peace, but the onus will fall on the newest member of the neighborhood to prove itself to its indigenous neighbors, not vice versa.

      In short my friend, there is no reason we cannot coexist peacefully, but it has to be a just peace. It will not be contingent on which dictator or regime is overthrown, but by a willingness to cooperate. The occupation of Palestine, and the complete disregard for the Arab Peace Initiative is the ultimate proof that Israel is not willing to negotiate or cooperate.

      Salam/Shalom

      • eblashko

        Thanks for the kind words Mohamad. I completely agree with you about my government’s destructive policies vis-a-vis the Palestinians. I think the occupation should end, or, at the very least, settlement building should be frozen temporarily to allow for negotiations though would finally demarcate an official border. Netanyahu is a coward and, according to most recent polls, if elections were held today, he would be out of power, so it seems like most of my countrymen agree with you also. But don’t worry. It looks like the Palestinians have gotten their shit together, and they’ll be declaring a state in September with our without us, so they’ll make Netanyahu’s job that much easier 🙂

        I do have to disagree with you though about two things: First, you say that we Jews are the “new” neighbors and that we supplanted the “indigenous” inhabitants. Let me clarify, Mohamad, that WE JEWS are the original “indigenous” inhabitant here.The archeology, the place-names, and even genetics can prove that. I’m not saying the Palestinians aren’t “indigenous” also. This is just as much their land as it is ours. In fact most recent genetic studies indicate that Jews and Palestinian Arabs are genetically more closely related to each other than they are to any other groups in the world, including other Levantine Arabs. In fact, it’s precisely because we weren’t “indigenous” in Europe that the Holocaust happened in the first place. People should have a right to return to their home. There is a large Lebanese diaspora. Should they lose their right to come home because they spent time abroad? Of course not! Would you tell a Black American that he isn’t African because his family has lived in America for many generations?

        The second thing is the situation in Lebanon and Syria. In 2000, two things happened. First, Barak pulled the IDF completely out of Lebanon, in complete accordance with the UN. In the same year, he offered the elder Assad the entire Golan Heights (1947 border) in exchange for peace. Or course, as always, the Syrians rejected, saying that they wanted the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee too (1949 border). That’s where we get all of our water from. Now you say that our grass is greener than yours, but you know the famous saying :the grass is always greener on the other side, well we look at pictures of Lebanon’s beautiful green cedars and mountains white with snow while we miserably pray for rain. They said that this year, we got only 70% of how much rain we need. All of our water comes from the Sea of Galilee, and it’s at a pitiful level right now.

        Anyway, what I mean is that putting the Palestinian issue aside, there should be absolutely no reason why Israel can’t make peace with both Syria and Lebanon, just like they did with Jordan and Egypt, by withdrawing from the Golan Heights, including the Sheba farms. The current Syrian regime, and their Hezbollah puppet, would never allow it. Did you see Assad’s speech today. He blamed the protests on Israel (big surprise). Imagine how he would be able to keep his country together if he didn’t have Israel to blame for all of his country’s woes. Same goes for Hezbollah and Iran.

        • 5thDrawer

          You people over there actually have grass? Funny I’ve never seen any in travelogs … hmmm 😉
          But with lack of clean water, and the pollution you add to what is there, I wonder if keeping families to 2.2 children wouldn’t be the better way to resolve ALL your problems? There’d be no reason to keep trying to grab dessert and rock from anyone then, right? Right? Oh well, maybe it’s all about silly humans and ancient religious inflexability then.

    • lebnaneh

      you are in the wrong site you should put your comment in the israels paper and you should keep your opinion to yourself as you are a wimps people and you don;t fight army to army you always kill the civilians to put pressure on the other and you are never faithfull to your allies if the region in syria goes you will get a lot of stick and you will desever what you get i hate syria and the syrian but i hate you more what you did to our beautiful country and to the people whom help you in the south you craphead lets hope thats orachalim will be destroyed soon and don;t try to show us how good are the isreals we know you well you twits

      • eblashko

        We’re never faithful to our allies in the region? What allies are you talking about? Iran abandoned us. Turkey abandoned us. Name me one ally that we betrayed. Even members of the SLA now find refuge as citizens here in Israel, and many live here in my city of Haifa.

        As far as killing civilians, although it doesn’t seem so, unlike Hezbollah and Hamas, who purposefully send their rockets at large civilian centers, we send our missiles are rocket-launching sites and weapons storehouses that the terrorists populate with people to inflate the number of dead civilians to make us look bad. Hamas and Hezbollah have no problem killing their own civilians, as evidenced by the Hamas takeover of Gaza in 2007 and the Hezbollah street-war in 2008. Just yesterday Israel published a map of all the villages in S. Lebanon that have been turned into military installations… how are we supposed to fight that? It’s impossible to fight a human shield. Maybe if Hezbollah and Hamas spent as much on shelters as they do on rockets, there’d be a lot less casualties. But it seems that’s not their priority.

        I’m not saying that I agree with the 2006 war. It was a disaster, it was widely unpopular here, and all of the leaders responsible were fired for it (Peretz, Halutz). But I do believe that Iran will eventually tell their puppet Hezbollah to attack again, and I don’t see how it’s possible for another war to be avoided, unless of course the Lebanese wake up and realize that the greatest threat to their sovereignty is not Israel at all, who has absolutely no problem with Lebanon, but Iran/Hezbollah, who would like nothing more than to turn Lebanon into the next Iraq.

        • lebnaneh

          ya man iam talking about the lebanese and lebanon i don;t care about any other syria or iran or the rest what happen in the south man lahed man what happen to them? what happen to the lebanese forces in the moutain of kfarmataa and who bomb them from the sky don;t play daft plus what happen to our water that you stoll of the litani river why you always play the poor lamb while you are a true wild dog why israel don;t agree to let the lebanese army get guns and jet and why for years your border with the syrian are so nice and peacefull you and iran made a deal about the arab you want to change the middle east but it will back fire on you and lets hope israel will be destroyed one day and it will be from your fanatic one you are the filth of the filth and stop trying to play the nice one

        • No, we treated them terribly. A number of them went back and surrendered.

          To Mohamad, in what context are you accusing Israel of “slaughtering 1400 civilians”? I think you’ll find that there is not one shred of evidence to support the idea that Israel has EVER deliberately targeted civilians.

      • Yet all the Arab nations have been playing the persecution card for decades..When you wake up and quit killing each other over anything and everything,quit trying to attack Israel,And spend some of that time,energy,and money on improving your own situation for yourselves and your children..Maybe,just maybe you guys can get somewhere in life.
        Ive been alive 40 years now and still here the same sad song from you..Get over it,make peace as best you can and get on with your own lives.But until you run these murdering dictators out of your governments you never will.Until you quit blaming Israel for everything and look inside your own people,again you never will.
        Its truly sad that you are like this…
        We made the horrible mistake with slavery in our past,but we are getting past that.Same with Germany and the Nazi’s.You guys haven’t even left the gate yet..Run Hezbollah and Hamas out of your countries back to Iran and cut ties with them and your lives will improve significantly.Israel wont attack Lebanon for the Lebanese,trust me it will be that monster cowering in a hole again. And that dentist next door isn’t helping your case.
        Grow up,accept your past and your actions,and think about your children instead of chasing a false dream inbreed into you by dictators that have been in power for way to long.Until then,you get nothing.And that is what is sad.
        We give you all billions of dollars.Do you get it?no.It ends up in [pockets of these scum despot’s.And in return they brainwash the Muslim people generation after generation into demonizing others.Case in point,the dentist’s speech yesterday,Iran’s elections, Syria’s elections, Why you still dont have a government,These riots are not about us or Israel,its because you all have failed governments that murder in mass to stay in power.Its up to you to stop it your self, and as long as you do nothing,they win and there is no peace.If you spent a third of the energy you spend bashing Israel and us on something constructive for your people,you would all be living in the next Dubai,or the new Orient..
        But no,its everyone else’s fault that you are residents of the 3rd world..And that my friend is a nightmare.
        And this is a opinion of a non religious person who has read up extensively on both sides…Yes Israel has faults.Tones of em,but the magnitude of what is happening in your own countries is due to your own doing.
        Sorry..It’s up to you to fix it yourself.

        • master09

          Well said, these clowns are so blinded by evil they know nothing else, dont worry most Lebanese including MP’s wanted to get rid of these thugs HA that threaten our peace and will kill Lebanese for the sake of Iran.

      • I am deeply ashamed of how we treated our allies in Lebanon. I despise Ehud Barak.

  • Anonymous

    As an Israeli, I will say that most normal here people are hoping that Assad’s regime falls. This article states that with the Assad regime, we have quiet on the northern border. This is not true. As a key member to Iran’s evil axis, Syria cowardly attacks my country by means of Hezbollah and Hamas instead of head on. I think that any regime change in Syria would be good for us, good for Lebanon, and bad for Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran, but most importantly, it would be good for Syria.

    Who knows… maybe the next regime will wake up and realize that they can have peace with a neighbor and get the Golan back as long as they stop trying to arm Hezbollah and destabilize Lebanon and Iraq. Anything would be better than Assad.

    • Anonymous

      Eblashko I totally agree with you. You make a lot of sense..

      • Anonymous

        Eblashko as you said Bibi does not have the balls like late PM Rabin, he is so rigid and stupid, now is the time to make amends with Palestinians while the Arab world is busy with demonstrations, show good will man time is against Israel. Is Israel better off then 30 years ago ,’no’ of course what are you waiting for. As to Syrian and Iranian regimes they are good at demonising the West and creating an enemy that does not really exist to pre-occupy the masses and suppress them forever, but it is not working , masses are more educated and they do not buy the B. S. any more.

        • Actually Mohamad, there is written correspondence between the leadership of the Arabs of British Palestine and Nazi Germany on the subject. In addition, I base my 18th century stats on Ottoman statistics and even they inflated the number of Muslims. Don’t just dismiss things, that’s not a valid way to debate.

      • Actually Mohamad, the majority of the Arabs of Palestine came in since the beginning of the 19th century. In 1799, there were 70,000 settled persons there including Jews. In fact, since the Roman occupation, Jews were still a significant portion of the population until the 11th century AD. Since then, Muslims have eroded the existing Jewish population. Jews moved home every hundred years only to be extorted, massacred, over taxed and driven from agriculture by Muslims. In addition, the leadership of the Muslims of British Palestine sabotaged Nazi efforts to deport their Jews to Palestine and were responsible for at least 1/6 Holocaust Jewish deaths. Also, even Ashkenazi Jews carried their traditions, their alphabet, their Hebrew words and their genetic origin which is 50 – 80% South Levantine.

        • I love how you create these wonderful numbers and theories. You are holding peasants growing olives for a living responsible for the death of 1 million Jews. You are delusional if you expect me or anyone on this website to buy into your silly theories and made up statistics.

          Your FM was a Russian until 1994…People make Aliyah by the thousands every year and they are given land that belongs to some one else. Ashkenazi or Sephardic, a Jew Settler building on Palestinian land is a thief.

          But again, these stats do not matter. I do not care about them, the modern world sees Israel as an occupier of an indigenous people with no regard for international statutes. Get out of the West Bank, and stop the siege on Gaza and fall in line with international law. These are the first steps to Israel getting the peace she desires.

        • Any Questions,this is factually recorded history…

    • Your words are good in theory Eblashko, but the actions of your country speak a completely different language. For years your country has been militarily supported by the US and you have unabashedly used this military superiority to expropriate land and resources from its rightful owners. Go look along the Israeli-Lebanese border if you do not believe me. Your eyes will not lie to you when you see a field of green on the Israeli side of the fence, and fields of brown on the Lebanese side.

      I am a Lebanese citizen, and I love my country, and I WANT peace with Israel, but peace will not come due to regimes falling. Peace will come when Israel respects the fact that the international community displaced an indigenous people to accommodate the Jewish people after their persecution in World War II.

      Take a hard look at the actions of your government and your ideology and when the people of Israel are ready to accept their neighbors and take the proper actions to prove this, there will be peace, but the onus will fall on the newest member of the neighborhood to prove itself to its indigenous neighbors, not vice versa.

      In short my friend, there is no reason we cannot coexist peacefully, but it has to be a just peace. It will not be contingent on which dictator or regime is overthrown, but by a willingness to cooperate, and the occupation of Palestine, and the complete disregard for the Arab Peace Initiative is the ultimate proof that Israel is not willing to negotiate or cooperate.

      Salam/Shalom

      • Anonymous

        Thanks for the kind words Mohamad. I completely agree with you about my government’s destructive policies vis-a-vis the Palestinians. I think the occupation should end, or, at the very least, settlement building should be frozen temporarily to allow for negotiations though would finally demarcate an official border. Netanyahu is a coward and, according to most recent polls, if elections were held today, he would be out of power, so it seems like most of my countrymen agree with you also. But don’t worry. It looks like the Palestinians have gotten their shit together, and they’ll be declaring a state in September with our without us, so they’ll make Netanyahu’s job that much easier 🙂

        I do have to disagree with you though about two things: First, you say that we Jews are the “new” neighbors and that we supplanted the “indigenous” inhabitants. Let me clarify, Mohamad, that WE JEWS are the original “indigenous” inhabitant here.The archeology, the place-names, and even genetics can prove that. I’m not saying the Palestinians aren’t “indigenous” also. This is just as much their land as it is ours. In fact most recent genetic studies indicate that Jews and Palestinian Arabs are genetically more closely related to each other than they are to any other groups in the world, including other Levantine Arabs. In fact, it’s precisely because we weren’t “indigenous” in Europe that the Holocaust happened in the first place. People should have a right to return to their home. There is a large Lebanese diaspora. Should they lose their right to come home because they spent time abroad? Of course not! Would you tell a Black American that he isn’t African because his family has lived in America for many generations?

        The second thing is the situation in Lebanon and Syria. In 2000, two things happened. First, Barak pulled the IDF completely out of Lebanon, in complete accordance with the UN. In the same year, he offered the elder Assad the entire Golan Heights (1947 border) in exchange for peace. Or course, as always, the Syrians rejected, saying that they wanted the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee too (1949 border). That’s where we get all of our water from. Now you say that our grass is greener than yours, but you know the famous saying :the grass is always greener on the other side, well we look at pictures of Lebanon’s beautiful green cedars and mountains white with snow while we miserably pray for rain. They said that this year, we got only 70% of how much rain we need. All of our water comes from the Sea of Galilee, and it’s at a pitiful level right now.

        Anyway, what I mean is that putting the Palestinian issue aside, there should be absolutely no reason why Israel can’t make peace with both Syria and Lebanon, just like they did with Jordan and Egypt, by withdrawing from the Golan Heights, including the Sheba farms. The current Syrian regime, and their Hezbollah puppet, would never allow it. Did you see Assad’s speech today. He blamed the protests on Israel (big surprise). Imagine how he would be able to keep his country together if he didn’t have Israel to blame for all of his country’s woes. Same goes for Hezbollah and Iran.

        • Anonymous

          You people over there actually have grass? Funny I’ve never seen any in travelogs … hmmm 😉
          But with lack of clean water, and the pollution you add to what is there, I wonder if keeping families to 2.2 children wouldn’t be the better way to resolve ALL your problems? There’d be no reason to keep trying to grab dessert and rock from anyone then, right? Right? Oh well, maybe it’s all about silly humans and ancient religious inflexability then.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks for the kind words Mohamad. I completely agree with you about my government’s destructive policies vis-a-vis the Palestinians. I think the occupation should end, or, at the very least, settlement building should be frozen temporarily to allow for negotiations though would finally demarcate an official border. Netanyahu is a coward and, according to most recent polls, if elections were held today, he would be out of power, so it seems like most of my countrymen agree with you also. But don’t worry. It looks like the Palestinians have gotten their shit together, and they’ll be declaring a state in September with our without us, so they’ll make Netanyahu’s job that much easier 🙂

        I do have to disagree with you though about two things: First, you say that we Jews are the “new” neighbors and that we supplanted the “indigenous” inhabitants. Let me clarify, Mohamad, that WE JEWS are the original “indigenous” inhabitant here.The archeology, the place-names, and even genetics can prove that. I’m not saying the Palestinians aren’t “indigenous” also. This is just as much their land as it is ours. In fact most recent genetic studies indicate that Jews and Palestinian Arabs are genetically more closely related to each other than they are to any other groups in the world, including other Levantine Arabs. In fact, it’s precisely because we weren’t “indigenous” in Europe that the Holocaust happened in the first place. People should have a right to return to their home. There is a large Lebanese diaspora. Should they lose their right to come home because they spent time abroad? Of course not! Would you tell a Black American that he isn’t African because his family has lived in America for many generations?

        The second thing is the situation in Lebanon and Syria. In 2000, two things happened. First, Barak pulled the IDF completely out of Lebanon, in complete accordance with the UN. In the same year, he offered the elder Assad the entire Golan Heights (1947 border) in exchange for peace. Or course, as always, the Syrians rejected, saying that they wanted the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee too (1949 border). That’s where we get all of our water from. Now you say that our grass is greener than yours, but you know the famous saying :the grass is always greener on the other side, well we look at pictures of Lebanon’s beautiful green cedars and mountains white with snow while we miserably pray for rain. They said that this year, we got only 70% of how much rain we need. All of our water comes from the Sea of Galilee, and it’s at a pitiful level right now.

        Anyway, what I mean is that putting the Palestinian issue aside, there should be absolutely no reason why Israel can’t make peace with both Syria and Lebanon, just like they did with Jordan and Egypt, by withdrawing from the Golan Heights, including the Sheba farms. The current Syrian regime, and their Hezbollah puppet, would never allow it. Did you see Assad’s speech today. He blamed the protests on Israel (big surprise). Imagine how he would be able to keep his country together if he didn’t have Israel to blame for all of his country’s woes. Same goes for Hezbollah and Iran.

      • We want peace with every country, but that will never happen until you realize that it is we who are the indigenous people of the land that Arabic speakers began to call Palestine in the last few decades, which was the first time it had been called as such in Arabic since the first century after the Muslim conquest.

        • I am not opposed to a Jewish state Adam, but many Jews in Israel today are immigrants from the US, Europe and Africa. I am sorry the Romans expelled you from Palestine 2,000 years ago but that was not the fault of the indigenous Arabs who have occupied that land since roughly 800 AD. Again regardless of these claims, we are no longer in the middle ages and we in a modern world that should be tolerant of all walks of life.

          Arabs have accepted that the State of Israel is here to stay for the most part (unfortunately every race has their idiots) but until Jews, such as yourself, realize that you do not have exclusive rights to the land, there can be no peace. I am all for a functioning safe Israeli state WITHIN the 1967 borders or armistice lines. Remove the Settler population which flat out terrorizes the Palestinians in the West Bank and fall in line with international obligations laid forth by the UN resolutions and you will find peace at your doorstep.

        • marc

          Adam,

          You pretend that the land belong to the jew because you were the first nation. You pretend to be a democratic nation when you treat the arab as a second class citizen. Worst we are brother my friend (in blood) we are semitic people just like your people.

          We belong there and should have equal right. The true patriotic lebanese are capable to live in peace in harmony, because we believe that lebanon belong to all of us not just the christian or the mulslim. You want to divide us to show the world that arab cannot co-exist peacefully with other religious sect.

          In the end you believe that we have no soul no right… This mind set create conflict among human, you should see the value in all human before you label them as only Arab…

          Shalom

    • Anonymous

      you are in the wrong site you should put your comment in the israels paper and you should keep your opinion to yourself as you are a wimps people and you don;t fight army to army you always kill the civilians to put pressure on the other and you are never faithfull to your allies if the region in syria goes you will get a lot of stick and you will desever what you get i hate syria and the syrian but i hate you more what you did to our beautiful country and to the people whom help you in the south you craphead lets hope thats orachalim will be destroyed soon and don;t try to show us how good are the isreals we know you well you twits

      • Anonymous

        We’re never faithful to our allies in the region? What allies are you talking about? Iran abandoned us. Turkey abandoned us. Name me one ally that we betrayed. Even members of the SLA now find refuge as citizens here in Israel, and many live here in my city of Haifa.

        As far as killing civilians, although it doesn’t seem so, unlike Hezbollah and Hamas, who purposefully send their rockets at large civilian centers, we send our missiles are rocket-launching sites and weapons storehouses that the terrorists populate with people to inflate the number of dead civilians to make us look bad. Hamas and Hezbollah have no problem killing their own civilians, as evidenced by the Hamas takeover of Gaza in 2007 and the Hezbollah street-war in 2008. Just yesterday Israel published a map of all the villages in S. Lebanon that have been turned into military installations… how are we supposed to fight that? It’s impossible to fight a human shield. Maybe if Hezbollah and Hamas spent as much on shelters as they do on rockets, there’d be a lot less casualties. But it seems that’s not their priority.

        I’m not saying that I agree with the 2006 war. It was a disaster, it was widely unpopular here, and all of the leaders responsible were fired for it (Peretz, Halutz). But I do believe that Iran will eventually tell their puppet Hezbollah to attack again, and I don’t see how it’s possible for another war to be avoided, unless of course the Lebanese wake up and realize that the greatest threat to their sovereignty is not Israel at all, who has absolutely no problem with Lebanon, but Iran/Hezbollah, who would like nothing more than to turn Lebanon into the next Iraq.

        • Anonymous

          ya man iam talking about the lebanese and lebanon i don;t care about any other syria or iran or the rest what happen in the south man lahed man what happen to them? what happen to the lebanese forces in the moutain of kfarmataa and who bomb them from the sky don;t play daft plus what happen to our water that you stoll of the litani river why you always play the poor lamb while you are a true wild dog why israel don;t agree to let the lebanese army get guns and jet and why for years your border with the syrian are so nice and peacefull you and iran made a deal about the arab you want to change the middle east but it will back fire on you and lets hope israel will be destroyed one day and it will be from your fanatic one you are the filth of the filth and stop trying to play the nice one

        • No, we treated them terribly. A number of them went back and surrendered.

          To Mohamad, in what context are you accusing Israel of “slaughtering 1400 civilians”? I think you’ll find that there is not one shred of evidence to support the idea that Israel has EVER deliberately targeted civilians.

        • Anonymous

          we woke up in 2005-the 2006 fiasco was to redirect attention due to fear of the “new awakening” amongst the lebanese patriots….the war was launched and provoked so that the “resistance” can continue to have excuses to exist as a militant organization…lets not forget the world eye was watching and pressuring Iran and its nuclear activity at the time also…

      • Yet all the Arab nations have been playing the persecution card for decades..When you wake up and quit killing each other over anything and everything,quit trying to attack Israel,And spend some of that time,energy,and money on improving your own situation for yourselves and your children..Maybe,just maybe you guys can get somewhere in life.
        Ive been alive 40 years now and still here the same sad song from you..Get over it,make peace as best you can and get on with your own lives.But until you run these murdering dictators out of your governments you never will.Until you quit blaming Israel for everything and look inside your own people,again you never will.
        Its truly sad that you are like this…
        We made the horrible mistake with slavery in our past,but we are getting past that.Same with Germany and the Nazi’s.You guys haven’t even left the gate yet..Run Hezbollah and Hamas out of your countries back to Iran and cut ties with them and your lives will improve significantly.Israel wont attack Lebanon for the Lebanese,trust me it will be that monster cowering in a hole again. And that dentist next door isn’t helping your case.
        Grow up,accept your past and your actions,and think about your children instead of chasing a false dream inbreed into you by dictators that have been in power for way to long.Until then,you get nothing.And that is what is sad.
        We give you all billions of dollars.Do you get it?no.It ends up in [pockets of these scum despot’s.And in return they brainwash the Muslim people generation after generation into demonizing others.Case in point,the dentist’s speech yesterday,Iran’s elections, Syria’s elections, Why you still dont have a government,These riots are not about us or Israel,its because you all have failed governments that murder in mass to stay in power.Its up to you to stop it your self, and as long as you do nothing,they win and there is no peace.If you spent a third of the energy you spend bashing Israel and us on something constructive for your people,you would all be living in the next Dubai,or the new Orient..
        But no,its everyone else’s fault that you are residents of the 3rd world..And that my friend is a nightmare.
        And this is a opinion of a non religious person who has read up extensively on both sides…Yes Israel has faults.Tones of em,but the magnitude of what is happening in your own countries is due to your own doing.
        Sorry..It’s up to you to fix it yourself.

        • Anonymous

          Well said, these clowns are so blinded by evil they know nothing else, dont worry most Lebanese including MP’s wanted to get rid of these thugs HA that threaten our peace and will kill Lebanese for the sake of Iran.

      • I am deeply ashamed of how we treated our allies in Lebanon. I despise Ehud Barak.

      • Anonymous

        Wow so does Ha fight as an army or do they hide in peoples homes and fire weapons from there, come on get real.

  • josephphdman

    it couldn,t be worst if this regeme goes it will be the best things to happen to the syrian people ,the best for israel and the best for lebanon ; the future could be uncertain , maybe bad and bumpy ; but the region had seen the worst allready
    . if a free fair election held in syria the sunnis majority will win for sure; that will take syria away from iran ,and beeing a sunni state ; when iran declare war against israel to wipe israel out the map ,they could,nt use syria anymore because iran is shia state and syria will be sunni state ;
    on the other side of the equation ;the weapons supply line to ha , will be cutoff by land through syria from iran
    so actually this regeme change is going to help stabilize the region more in the future andwill be a step forward toward more peacefull future for all .
    above all it will be justice for the syrian people and freedom from slavery

  • Anonymous

    it couldn,t be worst if this regeme goes it will be the best things to happen to the syrian people ,the best for israel and the best for lebanon ; the future could be uncertain , maybe bad and bumpy ; but the region had seen the worst allready
    . if a free fair election held in syria the sunnis majority will win for sure; that will take syria away from iran ,and beeing a sunni state ; when iran declare war against israel to wipe israel out the map ,they could,nt use syria anymore because iran is shia state and syria will be sunni state ;
    on the other side of the equation ;the weapons supply line to ha , will be cutoff by land through syria from iran
    so actually this regeme change is going to help stabilize the region more in the future andwill be a step forward toward more peacefull future for all .
    above all it will be justice for the syrian people and freedom from slavery

  • libnan1

    All this history stuff is meaningless. The bunkers are there to prevent the Israeli army from marching in any time they wish. The only reason Israel WAS feared because it had weapons we feared.
    The only way we can keep the Lebanese border integrity is by having weapons to counter the threat. HA acquired their weapons from sources that was willing to support it, no more no less.
    When Israel gives up its weapons, I’m sure HA will give up their weapons. Until then, we keep our weapons. End of story.

    • eblashko

      When Israel gives up its weapons? Israel is a country. HA is not. You’ll never find any Israeli upset about weapons falling into the hands of the Lebanese army. The lebanese Army’s job is to protect Lebanon. The IDF’s job is to protect Israel. Those two goals do not clash at all.

      HA is not content on protecting Lebanon. It wants to Eradicate Israel. There’s a big difference. The resistance they claim is just a farce. They’re not defensive. They’re offensive. Israel has no problem with Lebanon. Hezbollah has a problem with Israel. And Israel has a problem with wanting to be erased.

      There was integrity at the border from 2000, when we withdrew, until HA captured and mutilated two of our soldiers for no reason in 2006. I agree that war was a bad idea on our part and didn’t achieve anything except the hatred of many Lebanese, but there’s no arguing that if Hezbollah hadn’t done that, there would still be calm on the border.

      • libnan1

        Israel has always lobbied the US and all western countries to prevent the Lebanese army from being strong. The theory of strong Lebanese army is bad for Israel security backfired. If the Lebanese army was allowed to arm we would not be here and we would have not had the PLO and the subsequent events.
        It was Israel’s interest to have a weak Lebanese army and let the PLO create a Palestinian state in Lebanon, we all know what happened after that.

        So the only way Lebanon could protect it self is by having a proxy army that seeks weapons without the permissions. I’m not going to debate the 2006 war because I believe it was a mistake on HA part. The only reason they did it because they were trying to get their prisoners back.
        You know; the constitution in the US allows the formation of militias to protect the citizens in case the government fails to do so, well Lebanon should add a prevision to it’s constitution.

    • eliasfd

      I agree with you ya libnan1 and Lebanon has the right to do whatever it takes to protect itself and its nobody’s business.
      Israel wants everyone around her weak so it keeps conquering these nations and make us fear them. well they found out in 2006 that its no longer the case and even Syria is not only well trained now but also well armed. So Israelis will resort my hunch to limited Nuclear weapons in order to protect itself. But that it will bring up the nuclear arm race will be devastating. I don’t understand why Israel is allowed to develop Nuclear arms without being monitored and regulated by the UN and all the countries around it considered evil if they do.. Its not like Israel has been restraining itself when it comes to using conventional weapons either. so what makes us think that israel will not nuke us because it may not be able to beat us with conventional weapons? Palestinians need a homeland and need to get them out of Lebanon and to Palestine. Lebanon population is growing and we need the room and space for Lebanese to live in. Time for Israel to allow palestine to be established and let them fight their own wars their on their own..

      • No, Israel wants security and peace. In order for that to happen, the Arab world needs a campaign of de-Nazification like the USA did to West Germany following WWII. Otherwise, the prejudice, ignorance and racism in the Arab world will never allow them to accept our existence and the fact that we are a people, of provable indigenous decent.

      • No, Israel wants security and peace. In order for that to happen, the Arab world needs a campaign of de-Nazification like the USA did to West Germany following WWII. Otherwise, the prejudice, ignorance and racism in the Arab world will never allow them to accept our existence and the fact that we are a people, of provable indigenous decent.

    • And why would we wish to “march in” if there were no Hezbollah or PLO bunkers???????????

    • And why would we wish to “march in” if there were no Hezbollah or PLO bunkers???????????

  • Anonymous

    All this history stuff is meaningless. The bunkers are there to prevent the Israeli army from marching in any time they wish. The only reason Israel WAS feared because it had weapons we feared.
    The only way we can keep the Lebanese border integrity is by having weapons to counter the threat. HA acquired their weapons from sources that was willing to support it, no more no less.
    When Israel gives up its weapons, I’m sure HA will give up their weapons. Until then, we keep our weapons. End of story.

    • Anonymous

      When Israel gives up its weapons? Israel is a country. HA is not. You’ll never find any Israeli upset about weapons falling into the hands of the Lebanese army. The lebanese Army’s job is to protect Lebanon. The IDF’s job is to protect Israel. Those two goals do not clash at all.

      HA is not content on protecting Lebanon. It wants to Eradicate Israel. There’s a big difference. The resistance they claim is just a farce. They’re not defensive. They’re offensive. Israel has no problem with Lebanon. Hezbollah has a problem with Israel. And Israel has a problem with wanting to be erased.

      There was integrity at the border from 2000, when we withdrew, until HA captured and mutilated two of our soldiers for no reason in 2006. I agree that war was a bad idea on our part and didn’t achieve anything except the hatred of many Lebanese, but there’s no arguing that if Hezbollah hadn’t done that, there would still be calm on the border.

      • Anonymous

        Israel has always lobbied the US and all western countries to prevent the Lebanese army from being strong. The theory of strong Lebanese army is bad for Israel security backfired. If the Lebanese army was allowed to arm we would not be here and we would have not had the PLO and the subsequent events.
        It was Israel’s interest to have a weak Lebanese army and let the PLO create a Palestinian state in Lebanon, we all know what happened after that.

        So the only way Lebanon could protect it self is by having a proxy army that seeks weapons without the permissions. I’m not going to debate the 2006 war because I believe it was a mistake on HA part. The only reason they did it because they were trying to get their prisoners back.
        You know; the constitution in the US allows the formation of militias to protect the citizens in case the government fails to do so, well Lebanon should add a prevision to it’s constitution.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with you ya libnan1 and Lebanon has the right to do whatever it takes to protect itself and its nobody’s business.
      Israel wants everyone around her weak so it keeps conquering these nations and make us fear them. well they found out in 2006 that its no longer the case and even Syria is not only well trained now but also well armed. So Israelis will resort my hunch to limited Nuclear weapons in order to protect itself. But that it will bring up the nuclear arm race will be devastating. I don’t understand why Israel is allowed to develop Nuclear arms without being monitored and regulated by the UN and all the countries around it considered evil if they do.. Its not like Israel has been restraining itself when it comes to using conventional weapons either. so what makes us think that israel will not nuke us because it may not be able to beat us with conventional weapons? Palestinians need a homeland and need to get them out of Lebanon and to Palestine. Lebanon population is growing and we need the room and space for Lebanese to live in. Time for Israel to allow palestine to be established and let them fight their own wars their on their own..

      • No, Israel wants security and peace. In order for that to happen, the Arab world needs a campaign of de-Nazification like the USA did to West Germany following WWII. Otherwise, the prejudice, ignorance and racism in the Arab world will never allow them to accept our existence and the fact that we are a people, of provable indigenous decent.

    • And why would we wish to “march in” if there were no Hezbollah or PLO bunkers???????????

  • I am from Syria
    As for me … I think that Isreal is planning to place the Muslim Brotherhood with the recent government .
    First – they will drive Syria to a civile war ..so Syria will collapce enterialy..if it collapce it will no more supporting Hizbullah.
    Second – they will have a good reason to attack Syria each minute .. in the name of defencing their own safty

  • I am from Syria
    As for me … I think that Isreal is planning to place the Muslim Brotherhood with the recent government .
    First – they will drive Syria to a civile war ..so Syria will collapce enterialy..if it collapce it will no more supporting Hizbullah.
    Second – they will have a good reason to attack Syria each minute .. in the name of defencing their own safty

  • I am from Syria
    As for me … I think that Isreal is planning to place the Muslim Brotherhood with the recent government .
    First – they will drive Syria to a civile war ..so Syria will collapce enterialy..if it collapce it will no more supporting Hizbullah.
    Second – they will have a good reason to attack Syria each minute .. in the name of defencing their own safty