Syrian and Lebanese Salvation Is Near

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by Ghassan Karam

Often reality is difficult to accept and especially for the ideologues whose understanding of development and their advice is rarely, if ever, to be taken seriously. Ideologues are not to be confused with principled individuals because their positions are dictated not by the rationality of a circumstance but by a predetermined notion of which party to oppose and which one to support. They act as if one party has a complete hold of the truth all the time while the others are always misinformed even if they are to adopt views that are associated with their opponents. A perfect example of an ideologue is the expression of utter bewilderment on the face of the head of the Ba’ath party in Lebanon, Mr. Shukur, when his debate opponent, Mr. Alloush, stated that he does not believe the statements of Bashar Assad. The priceless expression was what one would expect to see on the face of a 4 year old when told for the first time that there is no Santa Clause.

The reaction of Bashar Assad and his entourage to the declarations of the Arab League and other nations all over the world are not any different. They refuse to accept the clear inevitable conclusion of the ongoing Syrian revolution. It would be practically impossible for Bashar Assad and the Syrian Baath to stay in power. They have already lost and the longer it takes them to internalize this reality the costlier will be the final synthesis.  The Syria that the Assads have ruled for over forty years as a fiefdom has finally had enough humiliation, abuse and exploitation. It has risen to and has demonstrated tremendous courage in facing the unbelievable odds to standing up to the security apparatus and the army. These actions would not have been called for had MR. Assad acted responsibly by showing that Syria is above party and it transcends family and business cronies. Alas Mr. Assad, just like an addict, could not bring himself to admit that the Ba’ath has abused the trust of the Syrian people and that the continuous mismanagement of the economy have transformed Syria into a paper tiger and a backward and bankrupt economy that is rapidly moving towards an environmental abyss as well as an economic meltdown and a social disintegration.

Instead of doing the right thing of listening to the clear and legitimate demands of his people Mr. Assad has decided to bunker down and to defy the world by threatening that if he is to be constantly reminded of reality and legitimacy then he might have no choice but to lash out at his unarmed civilians. Pity the man that thinks of himself as a modern leader but acts as a tin horn dictator. But our biggest sympathy goes out to the brave Syrian civilians who have decided that freedom is not free and that they are willing to pay the price.

The tipping point has already been breached. Syria will be free from the Ba’ath. What is not certain is how dear the price will be. Mr. Assad is still the dominant factor in this equation. He can act responsibly by accepting the new facts and start immediately the negotiations for an orderly and peaceful transfer of power or he can persist in his obstructionism by bringing down the temple on himself and the Syrian people. Time is running short and unless he acts decisively in the next few days to avoid a Syrian Armageddon  to save himself and the country that he claims that he loves then he would be committing an abominable act that history will not forgive for centuries to come, if ever.

A corollary to the above is the major transformation that will engulf Lebanon when the cruel Syrian dictatorship is finally booted out. The ramifications on Lebanon will be as seminal as the changes in Syria. Lebanon will finally get a chance to exercise its independence and sovereignty. Its people will be able to rule themselves as any democracy should and the new realities will finally help bring to an end the Mafiosi rule of Hezbollah and all those that have helped and abetted its nefarious acts. It should also usher in a tide of new, young and committed youth who reject sectarianism and corruption. A new era of citizenship will take hold in Lebanon as soon as the divisive and backward Syrian Ba’athi minions are swept away from the official offices that they have exploited and profiteered from for decades. The only question that stands as an obstacle in the face of the historical movement in both Syria and Lebanon to enter a new post Assad era is whether the celebrations will take place in late 2011 or early 2012. I can hardly wait.

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266 responses to “Syrian and Lebanese Salvation Is Near”

  1. prophettt Avatar

    Sorry for double posting.

  2.  Avatar

    Ghassan,

    You are right that Bashar cannot hold on forever, but He
    might be able to hold on much longer than we expect; and it could be a long
    time, with more blood and chaos.

    As a reminder, when the Egyptian revolution was at its peak,
    I had predicted (on this forum) that when the Arab spring reaches Syria, it
    would be the bloodiest and the longest spring; But I had failed to predict the involvement
    of the radical militant groups who are supported by the Saudis, and other
    states, and therefore, I predict an even bloodier and more destructive end, which
    would, sadly, give the Syrian people the opposite of what they paid with their
    blood for. Please, don’t accuse me of justifying anything the Assad regime has
    been doing, nor justifying the existence of the Assad regime itself.  It’s simple y an assessment.

    The reason Bashar and the Baath party are still hanging in
    there is because of those who decided to hijack the Syrian revolution, and militarize
    the protests. As you rightly stated, freedom does not come cheap, and civilian
    protesters were paying a heavy price as they demonstrated day and night. If you
    noticed, the number of protesters has gone down due to the fact that the
    radical extremists took over the revolution, and most Syrians decided not to participate
    in the peaceful protests anymore because they fear the extremists as much as
    they fear the regime they want to get rid of.

    Watching satellite coverage of the Syrian revolution, one
    can easily notice protesters marching in the hundreds, when we used to see
    thousands and thousands of protesters in smaller cities.

    Transforming the revolution from civilian protesting against
    the regime to a military conflict between the extremist religious bandits, who
    are being supported and armed by other countries on one side, and the Syrian regime
    on the other side, has in fact set back the revolution, and given the Syrian regime
    what it needs, which is more excuses to crush the civilian protesters as if
    they were a militants. The more militant this revolution becomes, the longer
    Bashar and the Baath party will last.  The more external involvement  Syrian oppositions  accepts, the more support Assad and his army
    will get from Syrian public who has 
    watched Libya and Yemen, and are fearful of a more extremist and more
    radical regime than the one they are suffering from.

    Another important 
    thing to realize is that the Syrian army and security forces have  already  gotten enough blood on their hands ,and will
    not be counted on to abandon the Regime 
    for  fear  meeting the same fate the Iraqi Army had met.

    The day we hear and read that the Syrian army is storming
    Aleppo and Damascus neighborhoods, is the day we start the count down for the collapse
    of the Assad regime. Those two biggest and most important cities have yet to
    witness the kind of protests other smaller cities and towns have witnessed.

    As far as the Arab league and its decision to suspend Syria’s
    membership is concerned,  it seems that
    the league may have to start suspending 
    its members one by one, since the reasons behind their action  against Syria might be repeated by other
    members of the league. Unless it is made up of the oppositions of each member state
    instead of the regimes themselves, the Arab league itself becomes as irrelevant
    as it always has been. Since when Arab people really counted or cared for the league
    and its decision anyway? This is the same league that always negotiated and
    drafted its decisions before its leaders had 
    met and discussed anything.

     

  3. prophettt Avatar

    Ghassan,
    You are right that Bashar cannot hold on forever, but He might be able to hold on much longer than we expect; and it could be a long time, with more blood and chaos.
    As a reminder, when the Egyptian revolution was at its peak, I had predicted (on this forum) that when the Arab spring reaches Syria, it would be the bloodiest and the longest spring; But I had failed to predict the involvement of the radical militant groups who are supported by the Saudis, and other states, and therefore, I now predict an even bloodier and more destructive end to the Syrian revolution, which would, sadly, give the Syrian people the opposite of what they paid with their blood for. Please, don’t accuse me of justifying anything the Assad regime has been doing, nor justifying the existence of the Assad regime itself. It’s simple y an assessment.
    The reason Bashar and the Baath party are still hanging in there is because of those who decided to hijack the Syrian revolution, and militarize the protests. As you rightly stated, freedom does not come cheap, and civilian protesters were paying a heavy price as they demonstrated day and night. If you noticed, the number of protesters has gone down due to the fact that the radical extremists took over the revolution, and more Syrians decided not to participate in non-peaceful protests anymore because they fear the extremists as much as they fear the regime they want to get rid of.
    Watching satellite coverage of the Syrian revolution, one can easily notice protesters marching in the hundreds, when we used to see thousands and thousands of protesters in smaller cities.
    Transforming the revolution from civilian protesting against the regime to a military conflict between the extremist religious bandits, who are being supported and armed by other countries on one side, and the Syrian regime on the other side, has in fact set back the revolution, and given the Syrian regime what it needs, which is more excuses to crush the civilian protesters as if they were militants.Tens of civilians being kidnapped and beheaded by radical militants in Syrian cities ,and then being thrown on sidewalks is not what the greatest majority of Syrian protesters had gone to the streets for.
    The more militant this revolution becomes, the longer Bashar and the Baath party will last. The more external involvement Syrian oppositions accepts, the more support Assad and his army will get from Syrian public who has watched Libya and Yemen, and are fearful of a more extremist and more radical regime than the one they are suffering from.
    Another important thing to realize is that the Syrian army and security forces have already gotten enough blood on their hands ,and will not be counted on to abandon the Regime for fear meeting the same fate the Iraqi Army had met.
    The day we hear and read that the Syrian army is storming Aleppo and Damascus neighborhoods, is the day we start the count down for the collapse of the Assad regime. Those two biggest and most important cities have yet to witness the kind of protests other smaller cities and towns have witnessed.As far as the Arab league and its decision to suspend Syria’s membership is concerned, it seems that the league may have to start suspending its members one by one, since the reasons behind their action against Syria might be repeated by other members of the league. Unless it is made up of the oppositions of each member state instead of the regimes themselves, the Arab league itself becomes as irrelevant as it always has been. Since when Arab people really counted or cared for the league and its decision anyway? This is the same league that always negotiated and drafted its decisions before its leaders had met and discussed anything.

    1. Prophettt,
                  As we have stated both on this form and on others the Arab Uprisings must not be expected to become vibrant democracies overnight. There is a process and it is a lengthy one. Whether it is Egypt, Tunis, Libya, Yemen or Syria all what one can hope for is to move in the right direction.
                 But back to Syria. The militarization of the uprising was inevitable. No people would just be sitting ducks for the security forces and hooligans of those in power. They were bound to respond in kind. Actually one can even assume that this was the reason d’etre of the cruel administration. They wanted the opposition to use arms.Whether they should have or not is an academic question but the fact remains that the arms have been used in response to even more dealy and more sophisticated ones by the Ba’ath. Not all arms are alike and we must distinguish between those that are used in essence in self defense and those that are used indiscriminately to kill and maim. What is more important is not to get hung up on this issue of arms but to go to the root of the problem: Ba’ath regime and its effort to stay in power by declaring itself democratic. That is bull. Revolutions have a way of proving predictions wrong. I am hopeful that the end of the Syrian regime will prove to be quicker and less bloody than expectations.  And let us not lose track of my equally major point that Lebanon will be a major beneficiary from a democratic Syria.

      1. dabshaleem Avatar

        shitty saudi egypt tunise. syri ar no lebani shite ar goood.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          I am sure. Only Nastyrallah is an ass dragging you all backward.

      2. prophettt Avatar

        Ghassan,
        I don’t want to divert this debate into a discussion about police brutality  in the states, But many police departments in major US cities have a history of brutality toward emigrants and minorities, LA police for example has a   notorious  reputation going back to the eighties.Some police departments around the Detroit area make Apartheid south Africa look decent.
         Even federal authorities are using many unethical ,and brutal in the sense of being immoral toawrd many communities  behind close doors,and by knocking on people’s doors and intimidating them for different reasons or for no reasons at all. Many cases are documents and are available  . The stories  about their intimidating and blackmailing tactics are not much different that the practices used by Syrian and Egyptian secret police. All done in the name of national security and preventing terrorism.
        That being said, I won’t equate them with Egyptians and Syrians,but it gets very close in many cases.

        1. leobetapar Avatar

          not only minority .try in the USA to manifest against the school of south america (where the toture is teach to fellow dictatorship of SA ie Colombia today) and you will see even if u v fair hair and blues eyes

      3. prophettt Avatar

        Ghassan,
        I don’t want to divert this debate into a discussion about police brutality  in the states, But many police departments in major US cities have a history of brutality toward emigrants and minorities, LA police for example has a   notorious  reputation going back to the eighties.Some police departments around the Detroit area make Apartheid south Africa look decent.
         Even federal authorities are using many unethical ,and brutal in the sense of being immoral toawrd many communities  behind close doors,and by knocking on people’s doors and intimidating them for different reasons or for no reasons at all. Many cases are documents and are available  . The stories  about their intimidating and blackmailing tactics are not much different that the practices used by Syrian and Egyptian secret police. All done in the name of national security and preventing terrorism.
        That being said, I won’t equate them with Egyptians and Syrians,but it gets very close in many cases.

      4. leobetapar Avatar

        all wrong The north african will have the democracy very soon ,they were the last in Africa (few exceptions) on dictatorship .For the ME don’t dream u need more maturity ,Syria and Lebanon will soon be one country in a tight alliance with Irak and Iran .And the shit kings of goat in the Arabian peninsula will be killed

        1. Finaly Leo reveals his SSNP identity… Lebanon will ALWAYS be free… اصغر من ان يقصم اكبر من ان يبلع or didn’t you read your history? Persians before your generations of Siamese tried and failed. Besides, a greater Syria will definitely be Sunni dominated. You really think that 95% of the populace being Sunni is going to lay low and be rule by Shiites and Alaouites? How so? Grow up already… As for the U.S. they are as surprised as any regarding those uprisings from dictatorships. You did know that Syria’s current baathist are the sellers of land to Israel and that they have never fired NOT EVEN ONE BULLIT towards Israel? Syria and Iran talk the talk but never walk the walk. They are using HA to do their bid and ruining Lebanon while their countries are thriving and peaceful. However, time’s up. Syria and Iran will burn soon and people like you will eat their tongues. لسانات anybody? 😛
          @leobetapar SSNP stands for القومي السوري you do read arabic don’t you? If not I will rewrite it in Farsi.

          1. leobetapar Avatar

            lolololol don’t know what ssnp means I know one thing the sunny prop up by the occident are finish as sure that the occident itself is finish.The plan is far upon anyone will

          2. leobetapar Avatar

            lolololol don’t know what ssnp means I know one thing the sunny prop up by the occident are finish as sure that the occident itself is finish.The plan is far upon anyone will

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Yes Prophet … we are not really up yet on the head-counts or the numbers arrested and displaced. There are other reasons for fewer crowds in the streets than the fact it becomes more violent.

      1. leobetapar Avatar

        u r jealous the great warrior Narallah beat the zioniste hard and u r so jealous that make u like a fool
        ur side lost man the wahhabite smell like rotten dung the usa collapse the EU bankrupt even the half arab hashemite is lost Pity on u

      2. leobetapar Avatar

        u r jealous the great warrior Narallah beat the zioniste hard and u r so jealous that make u like a fool
        ur side lost man the wahhabite smell like rotten dung the usa collapse the EU bankrupt even the half arab hashemite is lost Pity on u

    3. Sebouh/prophettt
                               I have always been opposed to police brutality and execcive use of force and has demonstrated against them wherever they take place. But no one would ever make a comparison of peper spraying a bunch of students at UC Davis with Strian and Egyptian police brutality where no one has any rights besides the government thugs. For heavens sakes , for the sake of moral clarity one must be a little bit more objective than that. The worst kind of a reaction is that of a knee jerk kind. Each incident needs to be looked upon and analyzed on its merits and if it so happens that the US behaves , as it sometimes does, in an appropriate way then it is an objective observers obligation and moral duty to say so.

      1. leobetapar Avatar

        u never go to the usa in some state they are worse than the nazi

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          But at least there they have electricity 24/7 and clean water from the taps (among several other things) … which keep the peasants happier.

        2. leo, i live in the usa and i am aware of its shortcomings as no country with a man ruling it or govening it will ever be wise enough or pure enough to please everyone.

           on a human right issue i assure you that animals have more rights in the usa and in canada than any arab country extends to its citizens in 2011.

          just a year ago in beirut i pleaded politely with a pet store owner to give water and shade to a monkey sitting in a cage in 90 degree weather, and he was too arrogant to acknowlage my concern. further an african grey parrot sat in a cage barely enough to scratch his head and the food he was given was not proper for that kind of bird.

          before you call usa nazis and continue with  your obsession with hate for  sunnis and jews wake up and look at all of us as humans and our hatefull tendancies and shamefull failures to  unite and construct,,,, instead of knocking each other down. we are all the same crap,, yes you are no better than the people you accuse…remove the flag, remove the language, remove the politics, remove the religion, all of us are capable of hating or loving another human and the only one supperior is the one that focuses on getting past their prejeduce and rids himself of need to be mad at somebody all the time.
          if you allways do what you allways did, you will allways get what you allways got……all of us must change.

          1. leobetapar Avatar

            i have no hate of any one u r just a pretentious who pretend judging people wake up man it’s no a way for human>In usa animal have more right than say latinos (ask them they will tell u Alabama,Arizona…)

          2. leobetapar Avatar

            and let me tell u i am not arab nor lebanese

    4. Sebouh/prophettt
                               I have always been opposed to police brutality and execcive use of force and has demonstrated against them wherever they take place. But no one would ever make a comparison of peper spraying a bunch of students at UC Davis with Strian and Egyptian police brutality where no one has any rights besides the government thugs. For heavens sakes , for the sake of moral clarity one must be a little bit more objective than that. The worst kind of a reaction is that of a knee jerk kind. Each incident needs to be looked upon and analyzed on its merits and if it so happens that the US behaves , as it sometimes does, in an appropriate way then it is an objective observers obligation and moral duty to say so.

      1. leobetapar Avatar

        u never go to the usa in some state they are worse than the nazi

        1. leo, i live in the usa and i am aware of its shortcomings as no country with a man ruling it or govening it will ever be wise enough or pure enough to please everyone.

           on a human right issue i assure you that animals have more rights in the usa and in canada than any arab country extends to its citizens in 2011.

          just a year ago in beirut i pleaded politely with a pet store owner to give water and shade to a monkey sitting in a cage in 90 degree weather, and he was too arrogant to acknowlage my concern. further an african grey parrot sat in a cage barely enough to scratch his head and the food he was given was not proper for that kind of bird.

          before you call usa nazis and continue with  your obsession with hate for  sunnis and jews wake up and look at all of us as humans and our hatefull tendancies and shamefull failures to  unite and construct,,,, instead of knocking each other down. we are all the same crap,, yes you are no better than the people you accuse…remove the flag, remove the language, remove the politics, remove the religion, all of us are capable of hating or loving another human and the only one supperior is the one that focuses on getting past their prejeduce and rids himself of need to be mad at somebody all the time.
          if you allways do what you allways did, you will allways get what you allways got……all of us must change.

    5. leobetapar Avatar

      you know nothing, the great dung in power at riyyad will be soon overtrhow .This shit start the war ,the war will eat him.Do you think the real party of God is Numb? everything is forsee and all things go on plan soon the Oil will be own by those who have their feet upon it u wahhabit sunni sons and daughter of the shaytans will start to cry for the all millenium

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        ‘Party Of God’ …. hmmm … In the west there’s a ‘Church Of God’ … different sect I guess … basically they say ‘Send us all your money and you will be saved’ …. remarkable similarity in that aspect. Think they could ‘get along’?

      2. prophettt Avatar

        LEO, You’re so right, I know nothing,and I’m pleased to be educated by your enlightened mind.lol
        A small advice to you,Leo, download Google chrome, it provides you with instant spell check.

        1. leobetapar Avatar

          don’t care man as long u understand I educated no one ,i tell the true as everyone can meet it if he open his eyes

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    Ghassan,

    You are right that Bashar cannot hold on forever, but He
    might be able to hold on much longer than we expect; and it could be a long
    time, with more blood and chaos.

    As a reminder, when the Egyptian revolution was at its peak,
    I had predicted (on this forum) that when the Arab spring reaches Syria, it
    would be the bloodiest and the longest spring; But I had failed to predict the involvement
    of the radical militant groups who are supported by the Saudis, and other
    states, and therefore, I predict an even bloodier and more destructive end, which
    would, sadly, give the Syrian people the opposite of what they paid with their
    blood for. Please, don’t accuse me of justifying anything the Assad regime has
    been doing, nor justifying the existence of the Assad regime itself.  It’s simple y an assessment.

    The reason Bashar and the Baath party are still hanging in
    there is because of those who decided to hijack the Syrian revolution, and militarize
    the protests. As you rightly stated, freedom does not come cheap, and civilian
    protesters were paying a heavy price as they demonstrated day and night. If you
    noticed, the number of protesters has gone down due to the fact that the
    radical extremists took over the revolution, and most Syrians decided not to participate
    in the peaceful protests anymore because they fear the extremists as much as
    they fear the regime they want to get rid of.

    Watching satellite coverage of the Syrian revolution, one
    can easily notice protesters marching in the hundreds, when we used to see
    thousands and thousands of protesters in smaller cities.

    Transforming the revolution from civilian protesting against
    the regime to a military conflict between the extremist religious bandits, who
    are being supported and armed by other countries on one side, and the Syrian regime
    on the other side, has in fact set back the revolution, and given the Syrian regime
    what it needs, which is more excuses to crush the civilian protesters as if
    they were a militants. The more militant this revolution becomes, the longer
    Bashar and the Baath party will last.  The more external involvement  Syrian oppositions  accepts, the more support Assad and his army
    will get from Syrian public who has 
    watched Libya and Yemen, and are fearful of a more extremist and more
    radical regime than the one they are suffering from.

    Another important 
    thing to realize is that the Syrian army and security forces have  already  gotten enough blood on their hands ,and will
    not be counted on to abandon the Regime 
    for  fear  meeting the same fate the Iraqi Army had met.

    The day we hear and read that the Syrian army is storming
    Aleppo and Damascus neighborhoods, is the day we start the count down for the collapse
    of the Assad regime. Those two biggest and most important cities have yet to
    witness the kind of protests other smaller cities and towns have witnessed.

    As far as the Arab league and its decision to suspend Syria’s
    membership is concerned,  it seems that
    the league may have to start suspending 
    its members one by one, since the reasons behind their action  against Syria might be repeated by other
    members of the league. Unless it is made up of the oppositions of each member state
    instead of the regimes themselves, the Arab league itself becomes as irrelevant
    as it always has been. Since when Arab people really counted or cared for the league
    and its decision anyway? This is the same league that always negotiated and
    drafted its decisions before its leaders had 
    met and discussed anything.

     

    1. Prophettt,
                  As we have stated both on this form and on others the Arab Uprisings must not be expected to become vibrant democracies overnight. There is a process and it is a lengthy one. Whether it is Egypt, Tunis, Libya, Yemen or Syria all what one can hope for is to move in the right direction.
                 But back to Syria. The militarization of the uprising was inevitable. No people would just be sitting ducks for the security forces and hooligans of those in power. They were bound to respond in kind. Actually one can even assume that this was the reason d’etre of the cruel administration. They wanted the opposition to use arms.Whether they should have or not is an academic question but the fact remains that the arms have been used in response to even more dealy and more sophisticated ones by the Ba’ath. Not all arms are alike and we must distinguish between those that are used in essence in self defense and those that are used indiscriminately to kill and maim. What is more important is not to get hung up on this issue of arms but to go to the root of the problem: Ba’ath regime and its effort to stay in power by declaring itself democratic. That is bull. Revolutions have a way of proving predictions wrong. I am hopeful that the end of the Syrian regime will prove to be quicker and less bloody than expectations.  And let us not lose track of my equally major point that Lebanon will be a major beneficiary from a democratic Syria.

      1.  Avatar

        shitty saudi egypt tunise. syri ar no lebani shite ar goood.

        1.  Avatar

          I am sure. Only Nastyrallah is an ass dragging you all backward.

      2.  Avatar

        Ghassan,
        I don’t want to divert this debate into a discussion about police brutality  in the states, But many police departments in major US cities have a history of brutality toward emigrants and minorities, LA police for example has a   notorious  reputation going back to the eighties.Some police departments around the Detroit area make Apartheid south Africa look decent.
         Even federal authorities are using many unethical ,and brutal in the sense of being immoral toawrd many communities  behind close doors,and by knocking on people’s doors and intimidating them for different reasons or for no reasons at all. Many cases are documents and are available  . The stories  about their intimidating and blackmailing tactics are not much different that the practices used by Syrian and Egyptian secret police. All done in the name of national security and preventing terrorism.
        That being said, I won’t equate them with Egyptians and Syrians,but it gets very close in many cases.

        1.  Avatar

          not only minority .try in the USA to manifest against the school of south america (where the toture is teach to fellow dictatorship of SA ie Colombia today) and you will see even if u v fair hair and blues eyes

        2.  Avatar

          not only minority .try in the USA to manifest against the school of south america (where the toture is teach to fellow dictatorship of SA ie Colombia today) and you will see even if u v fair hair and blues eyes

      3.  Avatar

        all wrong The north african will have the democracy very soon ,they were the last in Africa (few exceptions) on dictatorship .For the ME don’t dream u need more maturity ,Syria and Lebanon will soon be one country in a tight alliance with Irak and Iran .And the shit kings of goat in the Arabian peninsula will be killed

        1. Finaly Leo reveals his SSNP identity… Lebanon will ALWAYS be free… اصغر من ان يقصم اكبر من ان يبلع or didn’t you read your history? Persians before your generations of Siamese tried and failed. Besides, a greater Syria will definitely be Sunni dominated. You really think that 95% of the populace being Sunni is going to lay low and be rule by Shiites and Alaouites? How so? Grow up already… As for the U.S. they are as surprised as any regarding those uprisings from dictatorships. You did know that Syria’s current baathist are the sellers of land to Israel and that they have never fired NOT EVEN ONE BULLIT towards Israel? Syria and Iran talk the talk but never walk the walk. They are using HA to do their bid and ruining Lebanon while their countries are thriving and peaceful. However, time’s up. Syria and Iran will burn soon and people like you will eat their tongues. لسانات anybody? 😛

          1.  Avatar

            lolololol don’t know what ssnp means I know one thing the sunny prop up by the occident are finish as sure that the occident itself is finish.The plan is far upon anyone will

    2.  Avatar

      Yes Prophet … we are not really up yet on the head-counts or the numbers arrested and displaced. There are other reasons for fewer crowds in the streets than the fact it becomes more violent.

      1.  Avatar

        u r jealous the great warrior Narallah beat the zioniste hard and u r so jealous that make u like a fool
        ur side lost man the wahhabite smell like rotten dung the usa collapse the EU bankrupt even the half arab hashemite is lost Pity on u

      2.  Avatar

        u r jealous the great warrior Narallah beat the zioniste hard and u r so jealous that make u like a fool
        ur side lost man the wahhabite smell like rotten dung the usa collapse the EU bankrupt even the half arab hashemite is lost Pity on u

    3. Sebouh/prophettt
                               I have always been opposed to police brutality and execcive use of force and has demonstrated against them wherever they take place. But no one would ever make a comparison of peper spraying a bunch of students at UC Davis with Strian and Egyptian police brutality where no one has any rights besides the government thugs. For heavens sakes , for the sake of moral clarity one must be a little bit more objective than that. The worst kind of a reaction is that of a knee jerk kind. Each incident needs to be looked upon and analyzed on its merits and if it so happens that the US behaves , as it sometimes does, in an appropriate way then it is an objective observers obligation and moral duty to say so.

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        u never go to the usa in some state they are worse than the nazi

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          But at least there they have electricity 24/7 and clean water from the taps (among several other things) … which keep the peasants happier.

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          But at least there they have electricity 24/7 and clean water from the taps (among several other things) … which keep the peasants happier.

        3. leo, i live in the usa and i am aware of its shortcomings as no country with a man ruling it or govening it will ever be wise enough or pure enough to please everyone.

           on a human right issue i assure you that animals have more rights in the usa and in canada than any arab country extends to its citizens in 2011.

          just a year ago in beirut i pleaded politely with a pet store owner to give water and shade to a monkey sitting in a cage in 90 degree weather, and he was too arrogant to acknowlage my concern. further an african grey parrot sat in a cage barely enough to scratch his head and the food he was given was not proper for that kind of bird.

          before you call usa nazis and continue with  your obsession with hate for  sunnis and jews wake up and look at all of us as humans and our hatefull tendancies and shamefull failures to  unite and construct,,,, instead of knocking each other down. we are all the same crap,, yes you are no better than the people you accuse…remove the flag, remove the language, remove the politics, remove the religion, all of us are capable of hating or loving another human and the only one supperior is the one that focuses on getting past their prejeduce and rids himself of need to be mad at somebody all the time.
          if you allways do what you allways did, you will allways get what you allways got……all of us must change.

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            i have no hate of any one u r just a pretentious who pretend judging people wake up man it’s no a way for human>In usa animal have more right than say latinos (ask them they will tell u Alabama,Arizona…)

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            and let me tell u i am not arab nor lebanese

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        u never go to the usa in some state they are worse than the nazi

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      you know nothing, the great dung in power at riyyad will be soon overtrhow .This shit start the war ,the war will eat him.Do you think the real party of God is Numb? everything is forsee and all things go on plan soon the Oil will be own by those who have their feet upon it u wahhabit sunni sons and daughter of the shaytans will start to cry for the all millenium

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        ‘Party Of God’ …. hmmm … In the west there’s a ‘Church Of God’ … different sect I guess … basically they say ‘Send us all your money and you will be saved’ …. remarkable similarity in that aspect. Think they could ‘get along’?

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        ‘Party Of God’ …. hmmm … In the west there’s a ‘Church Of God’ … different sect I guess … basically they say ‘Send us all your money and you will be saved’ …. remarkable similarity in that aspect. Think they could ‘get along’?

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        LEO, You’re so right, I know nothing,and I’m pleased to be educated by your enlightened mind.lol
        A small advice to you,Leo, download Google chrome, it provides you with instant spell check.

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          don’t care man as long u understand I educated no one ,i tell the true as everyone can meet it if he open his eyes

  5. antar2011 Avatar

    neither can i…inshaAllah he will go sooner then later.
    i like the optimism showing in this article and so we should all be but i cannot help and think that HA would not just sit quite…especially in Tripoli.

    entourage is a nice choice of words to describe Assad’s pple…i like the term thugs.

    1. Antar2011,
                    I think that you are right. Entourage should not have slipped into this column 🙂 As for HA, it will not disappear immediately from the political scene but its power will be very much diminished over time. And that diminution in the power of HA is indispensible for Lebanese democracy to flourish.

      1. leobetapar Avatar

        lololololol wait until usa your master leave Irak we will make one great country of syria and lebanon and guess who will run Beyrouth (the saviour of the lebanese and arab pride :great warrior Nasrallah)

        1. MeYosemite Avatar

          People who praise men are fools, the ones who praise an ideology, their beliefs will outlive them. We have no pride with nasrallah, a fascist in his vision and acts, and he will eventually go down. The natural outcome of fascism. Fascims is a social method to give people a purpose, rouse against something for the simple fact to control them, and many falls into it. It is too bad I don’t see Lebanon in you. Many see Lebanon a stand alone country, done with the arabism nightmare, free from all the brother-crap relationships with other countries based on beliefs.

          1. leobetapar Avatar

            u do not know anything about fascism,try to read about the duce’s ideology and come back

        2. MeYosemite Avatar

          People who praise men are fools, the ones who praise an ideology, their beliefs will outlive them. We have no pride with nasrallah, a fascist in his vision and acts, and he will eventually go down. The natural outcome of fascism. Fascims is a social method to give people a purpose, rouse against something for the simple fact to control them, and many falls into it. It is too bad I don’t see Lebanon in you. Many see Lebanon a stand alone country, done with the arabism nightmare, free from all the brother-crap relationships with other countries based on beliefs.

        3. Patience2 Avatar

          You mean the fat turd that’s afraid to come out of his spider hole?

    2. leobetapar Avatar

      after the king of shit at riyyad gone  Assad will see the fall of all the shitty kings ,those idiotics sunny who don’t see the great suprematie of the baassiste party upon the kingship deserve pity

      1. Assad family ruling Syria for over 40 years , why not people like you nominate him to be the King of Kings in Syria and Lebanon and your wish will come true when shitty kings will disappear once and for all then  in Lebanon will be a sign of relief. 

        1. leobetapar Avatar

          never it’s baath party and it’s laic ,only monkey know king for us the only one king is God we are not goat or monkey like the pseudo muslim who have human kings

        2. leobetapar Avatar

          never it’s baath party and it’s laic ,only monkey know king for us the only one king is God we are not goat or monkey like the pseudo muslim who have human kings

    3. leobetapar Avatar

      just dream open ur eyes man History and time are against u Ur master USA and EU will be soon baqnkrout

  6.  Avatar

    neither can i…inshaAllah he will go sooner then later.
    i like the optimism showing in this article and so we should all be but i cannot help and think that HA would not just sit quite…especially in Tripoli.

    entourage is a nice choice of words to describe Assad’s pple…i like the term thugs.

  7.  Avatar

    neither can i…inshaAllah he will go sooner then later.
    i like the optimism showing in this article and so we should all be but i cannot help and think that HA would not just sit quite…especially in Tripoli.

    entourage is a nice choice of words to describe Assad’s pple…i like the term thugs.

    1. Antar2011,
                    I think that you are right. Entourage should not have slipped into this column 🙂 As for HA, it will not disappear immediately from the political scene but its power will be very much diminished over time. And that diminution in the power of HA is indispensible for Lebanese democracy to flourish.

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        lololololol wait until usa your master leave Irak we will make one great country of syria and lebanon and guess who will run Beyrouth (the saviour of the lebanese and arab pride :great warrior Nasrallah)

        1.  Avatar

          People who praise men are fools, the ones who praise an ideology, their beliefs will outlive them. We have no pride with nasrallah, a fascist in his vision and acts, and he will eventually go down. The natural outcome of fascism. Fascims is a social method to give people a purpose, rouse against something for the simple fact to control them, and many falls into it. It is too bad I don’t see Lebanon in you. Many see Lebanon a stand alone country, done with the arabism nightmare, free from all the brother-crap relationships with other countries based on beliefs.

          1.  Avatar

            u do not know anything about fascism,try to read about the duce’s ideology and come back

        2.  Avatar

          You mean the fat turd that’s afraid to come out of his spider hole?

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      after the king of shit at riyyad gone  Assad will see the fall of all the shitty kings ,those idiotics sunny who don’t see the great suprematie of the baassiste party upon the kingship deserve pity

      1.  Avatar

        Assad family ruling Syria for over 40 years , why not people like you nominate him to be the King of Kings in Syria and Lebanon and your wish will come true when shitty kings will disappear once and for all then  in Lebanon will be a sign of relief. 

        1.  Avatar

          never it’s baath party and it’s laic ,only monkey know king for us the only one king is God we are not goat or monkey like the pseudo muslim who have human kings

    3.  Avatar

      just dream open ur eyes man History and time are against u Ur master USA and EU will be soon baqnkrout

  8. Alfred Hage Avatar
    Alfred Hage

    Although I agree with you Mr Karam, I tend to lean towards 2012 when it comes to the fall of the regime. However I do not share your optimism when it comes to the ripple effect which will surely hit Lebanon. I would take the opposite view and predict that the Hizb (just like a cornered animal) will seek revenge on the local scene and maybe one neighboring country.
    I sure hope that you are right and I am wrong .

  9. Alfred Hage Avatar
    Alfred Hage

    Although I agree with you Mr Karam, I tend to lean towards 2012 when it comes to the fall of the regime. However I do not share your optimism when it comes to the ripple effect which will surely hit Lebanon. I would take the opposite view and predict that the Hizb (just like a cornered animal) will seek revenge on the local scene and maybe one neighboring country.
    I sure hope that you are right and I am wrong .

  10. Alfred Hage Avatar
    Alfred Hage

    Although I agree with you Mr Karam, I tend to lean towards 2012 when it comes to the fall of the regime. However I do not share your optimism when it comes to the ripple effect which will surely hit Lebanon. I would take the opposite view and predict that the Hizb (just like a cornered animal) will seek revenge on the local scene and maybe one neighboring country.
    I sure hope that you are right and I am wrong .

  11. Although I agree with you Mr Karam, I tend to lean towards 2012 when it
    comes to the fall of the regime. However I do not share your optimism
    when it comes to the ripple effect which will surely hit Lebanon. I
    would take the opposite view and predict that the Hizb (just like a
    cornered animal) will seek revenge on the local scene and maybe one
    neighboring country.
    I sure hope that you are right and I am wrong . 

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Marillion,
                  I do not necessarily disagree with your assessment about HA in the early stages of a transition. They will fight to preserve their “state” within the state but I believe that the new reality will force them to retrench and reevaluate. This will strengthen the backbone of those that support sovereignty and will increase the pressure on HA to transform itself into a political party.

      1. …and who are those that support sovereignty? Hariri and company !!!!! I’m not a fan of any militia but if it wasn’t for ha Lebanon will be the same it was back in the eighties.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          But they failed and still fail to advance to 2011 … especially by ignoring democracy and free thought.
          Reminds me of a song .. ‘Stuck In The Middle With You’ … horrible place to be.

        2. dabshaleem Avatar

          you zioniste. eightes are good

        3. antar2011 Avatar

          errr….
          you are not a fan of any militia yet you support HA?

          ookayzzzzz typical Aounist

          and NO HA stopped being a resistance since 2000.

        4. You forget WHY Isreal first came into Lebanon , it was not to fight the Lebanese people.
            

        5. You forget WHY Isreal first came into Lebanon , it was not to fight the Lebanese people.
            

  12. Although I agree with you Mr Karam, I tend to lean towards 2012 when it
    comes to the fall of the regime. However I do not share your optimism
    when it comes to the ripple effect which will surely hit Lebanon. I
    would take the opposite view and predict that the Hizb (just like a
    cornered animal) will seek revenge on the local scene and maybe one
    neighboring country.
    I sure hope that you are right and I am wrong . 

    1. Marillion,
                  I do not necessarily disagree with your assessment about HA in the early stages of a transition. They will fight to preserve their “state” within the state but I believe that the new reality will force them to retrench and reevaluate. This will strengthen the backbone of those that support sovereignty and will increase the pressure on HA to transform itself into a political party.

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        …and who are those that support sovereignty? Hariri and company !!!!! I’m not a fan of any militia but if it wasn’t for ha Lebanon will be the same it was back in the eighties.

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          But they failed and still fail to advance to 2011 … especially by ignoring democracy and free thought.

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          you zioniste. eightes are good

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          errr….
          you are not a fan of any militia yet you support HA?

          ookayzzzzz typical Aounist

          and NO HA stopped being a resistance since 2000.

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          You forget WHY Isreal first came into Lebanon , it was not to fight the Lebanese people.
            

  13. Although I agree with you Mr Karam, I tend to lean towards 2012 when it
    comes to the fall of the regime. However I do not share your optimism
    when it comes to the ripple effect which will surely hit Lebanon. I
    would take the opposite view and predict that the Hizb (just like a
    cornered animal) will seek revenge on the local scene and maybe one
    neighboring country.
    I sure hope that you are right and I am wrong . 

  14. FadiAbboud Avatar

     new realities will finally help bring to an end the Mafiosi rule of Hezbollah and all those that have helped and abetted its nefarious acts. It should also usher in a tide of new, young and committed youth who reject sectarianism and corruptionlets hope and pray

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     new realities will finally help bring to an end the Mafiosi rule of Hezbollah and all those that have helped and abetted its nefarious acts. It should also usher in a tide of new, young and committed youth who reject sectarianism and corruptionlets hope and pray

  16. Regretably, I disagree with the author on all accounts.
     
    Now allow me to explain the events that have unfolded in the Middle East at this critical juncture.
    At this point, the so called Arab spring has been a total failure in every possible respect.
    Let us start with Tunisia, the recent victory of the right-wing Ennadha which played no significant role in the revolutionary struggles in January, did not reflect deep popular support, but the absence of any organization speaking in the interests of the working class.
    The interim government and the commission immediately became unpopular as the regime used brutal crackdown against protestors and threatened striking workers in many sectors of the Tunisian industry aftermath of revolution.
    The so called “opposition” parties main concern is maintaining the support of imperialism. Should Ennahda fail to maintain support of the imperialist powers, they would be ready to take power and help implement policies demanded by the imperialism.
    Ennahda and its coalition allies have made clear that they will continue the Free-Market policies of Ben Ali against the working class, for the benefit of Tunisian businessmen and International capital.
    Now moving on to Egypt, Hundreds of thousands of workers and youth have poured in to Cairo’s Tahrir Square and into the streets of cities and Towns from Alexanderia to Suez, from lower Egypt to the Nile Delta, protecting the savage repression unleashed by the army and the security forces over the past three days and demanding an end to the US backed Military Junta this confrontation left scores of dead and wounded among the demonstrators.
    The White house issued a mealy-mouthed statement Monday asserting that President Obama was “deeply concerned about the violence in Egypt that has lead to a tragic loss of life among demonstrators and security forces”, and advising that “Now is a time for restraint on all sides so that Egyptians can move forward together to forge a strong and united Egypt.” Above all, the statement insisted, ‘These tragic events should not stand in the way of elections.”
    The overriding concern that parliamentary elections set for Sunday November 28 go forward does not raise out any commitment by US imperialism to democracy. It approaches the events in Egypt, just as it does in Libya, Syria, Yemen, Bahrain and elsewhere, in some cases pursuing regime change and others supporting regime repression, all with the aim of exploiting the upheavals in the Middle East and North Africa to advance Washington’s struggle for hegemony over the region and its vast energy resouces.
    These elections have nothing to do with advancing the interests and aspirations of the masses of Egyptian working people, whose strikes and powerful demonstrations forced to ouster last February of the US backed dictator Hosni Mubarak after 30 years in power. Workers and youth entered this historic struggle in a fight for jobs, decent living standards and an end to the repression, exploitation and obscene levels of social inequality imposed by the Egyptian oligarchy and international capital conditions that have dramatically worsened since the eruption of the world capitalist crisis.
    The social and political demand of the Egyptian working class, like those of their brothers elsewhere in the Middle East, Europe, the US and internationally can be realized through radical revolutionary struggle.
    Concerning the events that are taking place in Syria. First of all, let me be very clear in this respect that I was never in favor of President Assad or the dominant Baath party regime, but what is being evident is that Syria at the moment is undergoing a major imperialist plot.
    The western imperialist powers and Gulf States and other Arab powers aim is to weaken Iran, by nullifying its key regional ally in Damascus.
    Speaking to Al Jazeera, Colonel Ammar al Wawi, the commader of FSA’s Ababeel battalion, boasted of “other areas” where his battalion had carried out attacks in northern Syria, including the towns of Maaret al Numan, Kafr Nabl, Jabal al Zawyeh and Kifr Roumeh.
    The FSA, a sectarian, exclusively Sunni outfit, claims to have evolved to include 22 batalions and upwards of 10000, 15,000 and even 25,000 members, spread across the country. It recently announced the defection of Colonel Rashid Hammoud Arafat and Colonel Ghassan Hleihel from the Republican guards.
    The SNC’s membership claims are widely disputed. Rami Abdel Rahman, the head of UK based Syrian observatory for Human rights, estimates that fewer than 1,000 have deserted the regular army. But whatever the numbers involved, it is indisputable the FSA operates under the wing of the Turkish government of Recep Erdogan.
    In many ways, the most significant aspect of the summit in Rabat is how closely the so called Arab league led by despotic monarchies of the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are working with Turkey.
    Writing in the Telegraph, Shashank Joshi noted: “It is remarkable that so many stagnating police states are coming out against the murder of protesters, even if their outrage is neither sincere nor consistent…. Earlier in the year, its members suspended Libya and urged that a no-fly zone be imposed over the country. That proved to be crucial in easing the way for the UN to green-light Nato’s war against Colonel Gaddafi, which put Arab and Western forces into battle alongside each other for the first time since the first Gulf War.”
    Joshi concluded, “At the beginning of the year, it was scarcely imaginable that Arab states would end up cheerleading a Nato war in North Africa, and now their attention has moved to the very centre of the Levant.”
    Among the issues to be discussed is the uniting of the disparate forces of the Syrian National Counci led by a motley group of CIA “assets” known as the Damascus Declaration and the Muslim Brotherhood and anti-Assad forces long sponsored by Paris.
    The two leading figures cited give a flavour of the character of the regime intended to replace Assad’s: equally repressive, but more aligned with Washington against Iran.
    The most prominent is Rifaat al-Assad, Assad’s uncle and the younger brother of the former president, Hafez al-Assad. He personally oversaw the Hama massacre in February 1982, a brutal action to repress a revolt by the Muslim Brotherhood that reportedly led to tens of thousands of deaths. His exile was solely the result of his efforts to secure his own succession, initially by means of a failed military coup involving 55,000 troops.
    Second in rank is Abdul Halim Khaddam, Syria’s vice president from 1984 to 2005. A Sunni Muslim, he was a loyalist of Assad’s father who was removed amid rumours of an attempt to seize power. He has publicly acknowledged receiving assistance from Washington and the European Union in his efforts to overthrow the Assad regime.
     
    Finally, Mr Karam, I have enormous respect and admiration to you and you know that, but to say that Syria and Lebanese Salvation kind of reminds me of the American propaganda campaign prior to the Iraqi invasion the notion that liberators would be recieved with flowers and kisses from Iraqi people. Now suppose for argument sake Mikati resigns due to growing pressure and what makes you so optimistic that his successor whether Seniora or the eloquent speach maker Saad Hariri would be any better. The other thing is that many Lebanese always blame for their ongoing problems on the Syrians. This is true to some extent, but these genuises forget that Lebanon was built on contradictions and as contradictions increase whether it be socially, economically or politically then this would inevitably raise the risk of renewed violence and bloodshed at some point.
     

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Sebouh,
                 Over 3/4 of your post has nothing to say about the question of whether current Syrian leadership will manage to maintain its exploitation and its dictatorial powers. My point is rather simpole. They will not manage to do that since they have already lost and that is good both for the Syrians and the Lebanese. Lebanon will neven ever be able to assert itself as long as many of its leaders feel beholden to Syrian dictators. Take away the dictators and these Lebanese politicians will have to rethink their position. My point is that they will be thrown out. Mikati is not the real problem in Lebanon. A bigger problem is the power behind the scene; HA. Once the Syrian dictatorship falls then HA will have to readjust and will no longer be the puppet master.
              All of these developments should encourage the formation of a new lebanese political structure that is guided by the principle of sovereignty, secularism, environmental protection and human rights. That does not spell Seniora neither does it spell Hariri. You are the one who jumped to that totally unfounded conclusion.

      1. Ghassan,   your mind is clear your logic is pure and I believe you articulating very well the truth behind the scene… My respect to you a man of high caliber.

        Marc

      2. beyondreason1022 Avatar
        beyondreason1022

        Mr Karam due respect, you are too optimistic on the outcome!

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          And we NEED more of that optimism.

      3. leobetapar Avatar

        shit  how much CIA pay u?

        1. Patience2 Avatar

          How much does Satan pay you?

          1. leobetapar Avatar

            remenber what u tell me because u will v too

    2. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Sebouh,
                 Over 3/4 of your post has nothing to say about the question of whether current Syrian leadership will manage to maintain its exploitation and its dictatorial powers. My point is rather simpole. They will not manage to do that since they have already lost and that is good both for the Syrians and the Lebanese. Lebanon will neven ever be able to assert itself as long as many of its leaders feel beholden to Syrian dictators. Take away the dictators and these Lebanese politicians will have to rethink their position. My point is that they will be thrown out. Mikati is not the real problem in Lebanon. A bigger problem is the power behind the scene; HA. Once the Syrian dictatorship falls then HA will have to readjust and will no longer be the puppet master.
              All of these developments should encourage the formation of a new lebanese political structure that is guided by the principle of sovereignty, secularism, environmental protection and human rights. That does not spell Seniora neither does it spell Hariri. You are the one who jumped to that totally unfounded conclusion.

    3. The new wold doctrine after sept. 11 is that all Sunni countries will be disintegrated. Therefore buy oil futures, their turn is coming.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        No thanks … the young thinkers of the world are going for free energy we can all share. (See Germany & Grid-systems)

    4. prophettt Avatar

      Sebouh,
      I share most of your concerns and fears. I think most  people who have  historical hatred for The Assad regime are
      hoping that He be removed  for personal revenge, without any regard to the true purpose of  removing him, which is freedom and democracy for the Syrian people. It seems that Mr. Karam might believe that the end justifies
      the mean. I hope he is right on this one.
       I doubt that the west or the other Arab dictators, and many Arab intellectuals really want any freedom and democracy for the Syrian people. These dictators cannot give the Syrian people what they don’t provide for their own people. The least that can be said about the Arab league and all of those who are eager to get rid of Assad at any cost is  كلام حق يرا د به  باطل
      Mr. Karam might as well be right that Assad is on the way out, but He fails to address all the contradictions and conflict of interests of all of those who are pressing for chaos. His prediction that a collapse of The Assad regime will translate into salvation for Lebanon is not being supported by any logical explanation.
       Our tribal and sectarian political system was not written by the Assad regime.
      Our divisions have been around longer than the Syrian independence.
      Our corrupt political families have been around for hundreds of years.

      1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
        Ghassan Karam

        prophettt,
                     As you well know I do not favour a tit for tat , usually. I am a strong believer that no one ever wins an argument in the sense of making converts from a short dialogue.. I support saying your piece and moving on. However, in this case I am going to make a slight exception by pointing out that when you say: “I think most  people who have  historical hatred for The Assad regime are
        hoping
        that He be removed  for personal revenge, without any regard to the
        true purpose of  removing him, which is freedom and democracy for the
        Syrian people. It seems that Mr. Karam might believe that the end
        justifies
        the mean. I hope he is right on this one.” it shows a total misunderstanding of what I advocate. No whether did I ever support personal revenge and I never would, ever. You must also not confuse the merits for the removal of the Assad dictatorship with the ideology of those that appear to be offering support to the revolutionaries. The case for the Syrian revolution does not rest on whether the corrupt Saudi monarchy supports it or not.As for Western moral support allow me to say that it is an ethical obligation to take a position in support of those that are fighting against oppression and please do not remind me or others that in some cases that moral obligation was not forthcoming. You cannot condemn it when it was not offered and also condemn it when it is. As for the idea that the end justifies the means then again I think that you are attempting to apply standards that do not fit.The Syrian people, like any other people in the world, have the right to self determination and they sure have the right to remove a cruel dictatorship irrespective of whether we approve of what kind of government they have chosen to live under. I do not think that it can be worse than the one of the most rotten dictatorships in the Arab world. To paraphrase Winston Churchill in this case the means are whatever it takes to defeat backwardness and exploitation. The means are dictated by those in power. If they choose to follow a scorched earth policy then for heavens sake do not blame the victim.

        1. prophettt Avatar

          Ghassan, I assure you that I only want a healthy debate,and not a tit with tat with you.I mostly comment on this forum when you publish an article,otherwise, I avoid yaliban altogether.
          Just to clarify the quote you highlighted in your reply, I never intended to follow up with  ” It seems that Mr. Karam might believe that the end justifies the  mean.I hope he is right on this one” in the same paragraph.
          So My apology if It seemed that I included you among those who seek the removal of Assad for personal revenge.That was never my intention.
          That being said, self determination applies to people who are occupied by foreign troops. Syria has been independent for over 67 years, so I disagree with your use of this term . Removing a dictator is their right,and I  advocated ,and dreamed of that day.
          My main problem is with religious groups and parties(that goes for Lebanon as well)replacing those dictators instead of a democracy.
           At the end of the day they will be responsible for their own actions,and they would have to live with the choices they make. I agree that I have no right to choose for them,but I do have the right to fear them and make a judgment on them because the ramification would definitely affect Lebanon one way or another. Peace.

      2. beyondreason1022 Avatar
        beyondreason1022

        Sebouh80 you are right , Lebanon problem was placed upon the Lebanese by mother France not Syrians, and  most Lebanese believe the fabricated constitution that only serve the naive and ignorant, believing it’s their sect ‘s right to exercise and the hell with the everyone else. Peace

      3. Prophettt are you following what is happening inside the US.
        The November 18 police assault on protesting students at University of California, Davis has exposed the reactionary and brutal character of political, social and economic relations in the United States.
        The university police were armed as if they were entering a battle zone. It is clear from their actions that they looked upon the students not as human beings, but as thing to be controlled, brutalized and even shot down if the orders to do so were given. The policeman who sprayed the students with a noxious chemical went about his work placidly and methodically, treating his victims as if they were insects or, perhaps, weeds in his backyard. His fellow storm troopers did not indicate the slightest discomfort with his actions.
        The US government has used the issue of human rights to justify its attacks on whatever regime runs afoul of its geo-political interests. One can imagine the uproar in the media if the events at UC Davis had occurred at Tehran University. In fact, there is not a ruling class in the world that has anything to teach the American corporate elite when it comes to repression and violence.
        It is no mere coincidence that the attack on UC Davis students occurs as the US-backed military regime in Egypt is brutally suppressing demonstrators in Tahrir Square. The scale of the attacks may be different, but the content is the same

        1. prophettt Avatar

          Yes Sebouh, I have been watching closely how the police have handled all the protests in several US cities,including My own city;NY City.
          Police departments all over the states have become bolder and more aggressive,especially after 9/11.The U of C seen is not much different than the seen we watched yesterday in Tahrir Square. They could have aired that piece,and claimed it was in Cairo,and it would have been believable.
           Only when exposed in media,and caught red handed, Action is taken and usually a slap on the hand.When it comes to human right abuse, The US usually justifies any action taken by its authorities,and Army,and only when the media gets on a  case,and some one is caught red handed,action is taken,and most of the time a slap on the hand is good enough.No wonder why the US demands immunity to its military personal working oversees.
          Guantama bay and Abu Greib  are good living examples.Might is right,and  history books are written by winners.lol

      4. You keep getting banned and you keep adding t’s to your name? Are you a Tea party follower? LOL

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          He’s ‘working the room’ Hannibal. 🙂  Nothing like politics. 😉 But when you’re against the simple-minded computer spy, craftyness counts. 🙂

        2. prophettt Avatar

          I thought you’d be more concerned about censorship  by Ylibnan than my taste in tea.lol .Prophecies have always struggled to be accepted.
          And No, I’m just a tea lover,not a T.. P F.lol

      5. You keep getting banned and you keep adding t’s to your name? Are you a Tea party follower? LOL

    5. beyondreason1022 Avatar
      beyondreason1022

      Sebouh80 you are speaking lots of logics on Mr. Karam’s article, though you are confused on core issues that effect the Syrians and Lebanese peoples not politicians and rulers, that suffer most, please review history of both countries and review your logic to better suit your opinion. Peace

    6. leobetapar Avatar

      that right for a big part but don’t thing we are idle Soon the king of shit in Riyyad will understand what it means to meddle in human buziness.This shit whose forebear shit v been bring back from Anatolia by Lawrence will soon be in jail with his crooked family

    7. leobetapar Avatar

      that right for a big part but don’t thing we are idle Soon the king of shit in Riyyad will understand what it means to meddle in human buziness.This shit whose forebear shit v been bring back from Anatolia by Lawrence will soon be in jail with his crooked family

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    Regretably, I disagree with the author on all accounts.
     
    Now allow me to explain the events that have unfolded in the Middle East at this critical juncture.
    At this point, the so called Arab spring has been a total failure in every possible respect.
    Let us start with Tunisia, the recent victory of the right-wing Ennadha which played no significant role in the revolutionary struggles in January, did not reflect deep popular support, but the absence of any organization speaking in the interests of the working class.
    The interim government and the commission immediately became unpopular as the regime used brutal crackdown against protestors and threatened striking workers in many sectors of the Tunisian industry aftermath of revolution.
    The so called “opposition” parties main concern is maintaining the support of imperialism. Should Ennahda fail to maintain support of the imperialist powers, they would be ready to take power and help implement policies demanded by the imperialism.
    Ennahda and its coalition allies have made clear that they will continue the Free-Market policies of Ben Ali against the working class, for the benefit of Tunisian businessmen and International capital.
    Now moving on to Egypt, Hundreds of thousands of workers and youth have poured in to Cairo’s Tahrir Square and into the streets of cities and Towns from Alexanderia to Suez, from lower Egypt to the Nile Delta, protecting the savage repression unleashed by the army and the security forces over the past three days and demanding an end to the US backed Military Junta this confrontation left scores of dead and wounded among the demonstrators.
    The White house issued a mealy-mouthed statement Monday asserting that President Obama was “deeply concerned about the violence in Egypt that has lead to a tragic loss of life among demonstrators and security forces”, and advising that “Now is a time for restraint on all sides so that Egyptians can move forward together to forge a strong and united Egypt.” Above all, the statement insisted, ‘These tragic events should not stand in the way of elections.”
    The overriding concern that parliamentary elections set for Sunday November 28 go forward does not raise out any commitment by US imperialism to democracy. It approaches the events in Egypt, just as it does in Libya, Syria, Yemen, Bahrain and elsewhere, in some cases pursuing regime change and others supporting regime repression, all with the aim of exploiting the upheavals in the Middle East and North Africa to advance Washington’s struggle for hegemony over the region and its vast energy resouces.
    These elections have nothing to do with advancing the interests and aspirations of the masses of Egyptian working people, whose strikes and powerful demonstrations forced to ouster last February of the US backed dictator Hosni Mubarak after 30 years in power. Workers and youth entered this historic struggle in a fight for jobs, decent living standards and an end to the repression, exploitation and obscene levels of social inequality imposed by the Egyptian oligarchy and international capital conditions that have dramatically worsened since the eruption of the world capitalist crisis.
    The social and political demand of the Egyptian working class, like those of their brothers elsewhere in the Middle East, Europe, the US and internationally can be realized through radical revolutionary struggle.
    Concerning the events that are taking place in Syria. First of all, let me be very clear in this respect that I was never in favor of President Assad or the dominant Baath party regime, but what is being evident is that Syria at the moment is undergoing a major imperialist plot.
    The western imperialist powers and Gulf States and other Arab powers aim is to weaken Iran, by nullifying its key regional ally in Damascus.
    Speaking to Al Jazeera, Colonel Ammar al Wawi, the commader of FSA’s Ababeel battalion, boasted of “other areas” where his battalion had carried out attacks in northern Syria, including the towns of Maaret al Numan, Kafr Nabl, Jabal al Zawyeh and Kifr Roumeh.
    The FSA, a sectarian, exclusively Sunni outfit, claims to have evolved to include 22 batalions and upwards of 10000, 15,000 and even 25,000 members, spread across the country. It recently announced the defection of Colonel Rashid Hammoud Arafat and Colonel Ghassan Hleihel from the Republican guards.
    The SNC’s membership claims are widely disputed. Rami Abdel Rahman, the head of UK based Syrian observatory for Human rights, estimates that fewer than 1,000 have deserted the regular army. But whatever the numbers involved, it is indisputable the FSA operates under the wing of the Turkish government of Recep Erdogan.
    In many ways, the most significant aspect of the summit in Rabat is how closely the so called Arab league led by despotic monarchies of the Gulf States, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are working with Turkey.
    Writing in the Telegraph, Shashank Joshi noted: “It is remarkable that so many stagnating police states are coming out against the murder of protesters, even if their outrage is neither sincere nor consistent…. Earlier in the year, its members suspended Libya and urged that a no-fly zone be imposed over the country. That proved to be crucial in easing the way for the UN to green-light Nato’s war against Colonel Gaddafi, which put Arab and Western forces into battle alongside each other for the first time since the first Gulf War.”
    Joshi concluded, “At the beginning of the year, it was scarcely imaginable that Arab states would end up cheerleading a Nato war in North Africa, and now their attention has moved to the very centre of the Levant.”
    Among the issues to be discussed is the uniting of the disparate forces of the Syrian National Counci led by a motley group of CIA “assets” known as the Damascus Declaration and the Muslim Brotherhood and anti-Assad forces long sponsored by Paris.
    The two leading figures cited give a flavour of the character of the regime intended to replace Assad’s: equally repressive, but more aligned with Washington against Iran.
    The most prominent is Rifaat al-Assad, Assad’s uncle and the younger brother of the former president, Hafez al-Assad. He personally oversaw the Hama massacre in February 1982, a brutal action to repress a revolt by the Muslim Brotherhood that reportedly led to tens of thousands of deaths. His exile was solely the result of his efforts to secure his own succession, initially by means of a failed military coup involving 55,000 troops.
    Second in rank is Abdul Halim Khaddam, Syria’s vice president from 1984 to 2005. A Sunni Muslim, he was a loyalist of Assad’s father who was removed amid rumours of an attempt to seize power. He has publicly acknowledged receiving assistance from Washington and the European Union in his efforts to overthrow the Assad regime.
     
    Finally, Mr Karam, I have enormous respect and admiration to you and you know that, but to say that Syria and Lebanese Salvation kind of reminds me of the American propaganda campaign prior to the Iraqi invasion the notion that liberators would be recieved with flowers and kisses from Iraqi people. Now suppose for argument sake Mikati resigns due to growing pressure and what makes you so optimistic that his successor whether Seniora or the eloquent speach maker Saad Hariri would be any better. The other thing is that many Lebanese always blame for their ongoing problems on the Syrians. This is true to some extent, but these genuises forget that Lebanon was built on contradictions and as contradictions increase whether it be socially, economically or politically then this would inevitably raise the risk of renewed violence and bloodshed at some point.
     

    1. Sebouh,
                 Over 3/4 of your post has nothing to say about the question of whether current Syrian leadership will manage to maintain its exploitation and its dictatorial powers. My point is rather simpole. They will not manage to do that since they have already lost and that is good both for the Syrians and the Lebanese. Lebanon will neven ever be able to assert itself as long as many of its leaders feel beholden to Syrian dictators. Take away the dictators and these Lebanese politicians will have to rethink their position. My point is that they will be thrown out. Mikati is not the real problem in Lebanon. A bigger problem is the power behind the scene; HA. Once the Syrian dictatorship falls then HA will have to readjust and will no longer be the puppet master.
              All of these developments should encourage the formation of a new lebanese political structure that is guided by the principle of sovereignty, secularism, environmental protection and human rights. That does not spell Seniora neither does it spell Hariri. You are the one who jumped to that totally unfounded conclusion.

      1. Ghassan,   your mind is clear your logic is pure and I believe you articulating very well the truth behind the scene… My respect to you a man of high caliber.

        Marc

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        Mr Karam due respect, you are too optimistic on the outcome!

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        Mr Karam due respect, you are too optimistic on the outcome!

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          And we NEED more of that optimism.

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        shit  how much CIA pay u?

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          How much does Satan pay you?

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            remenber what u tell me because u will v too

    2. Sebouh,
                 Over 3/4 of your post has nothing to say about the question of whether current Syrian leadership will manage to maintain its exploitation and its dictatorial powers. My point is rather simpole. They will not manage to do that since they have already lost and that is good both for the Syrians and the Lebanese. Lebanon will neven ever be able to assert itself as long as many of its leaders feel beholden to Syrian dictators. Take away the dictators and these Lebanese politicians will have to rethink their position. My point is that they will be thrown out. Mikati is not the real problem in Lebanon. A bigger problem is the power behind the scene; HA. Once the Syrian dictatorship falls then HA will have to readjust and will no longer be the puppet master.
              All of these developments should encourage the formation of a new lebanese political structure that is guided by the principle of sovereignty, secularism, environmental protection and human rights. That does not spell Seniora neither does it spell Hariri. You are the one who jumped to that totally unfounded conclusion.

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      The new wold doctrine after sept. 11 is that all Sunni countries will be disintegrated. Therefore buy oil futures, their turn is coming.

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        No thanks … the young thinkers of the world are going for free energy we can all share. (See Germany & Grid-systems)

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      Sebouh,

      I share most of your concerns and fears. I think most  people who have  historical hatred for The Assad regime are
      hoping that He be removed  for personal
      revenge, without any regard to the true purpose of  removing him, which is freedom and democracy
      for the Syrian people. It seems that Mr. Karam might believe that the end justifies
      the mean. I hope he is right on this one.

       I doubt that the west
      or the other Arab dictators, and many Arab intellectuals really want any
      freedom and democracy for the Syrian people. These dictators cannot give the Syrian
      people what they don’t provide for their own people. The least that can be said
      about the Arab league and all of those who are eager to get rid of Assad at any
      cost is  كلام حق يرا د به  باطل

       

      Mr. Karam might as well be right that Assad is on the way out,
      but He fails to address all the contradictions and conflict of interests of all
      of those who are pressing for chaos. His prediction that a collapse of The
      Assad regime will translate into salvation for Lebanon is not being supported
      by any logical explanation.

       Our tribal and
      sectarian political system was not written by the Assad regime.

      Our divisions have been around longer than the Syrian independence.

      Our corrupt political families have been around for hundreds
      of years.

                          

                          

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

      1. prophettt,
                     As you well know I do not favour a tit for tat , usually. I am a strong believer that no one ever wins an argument in the sense of making converts from a short dialogue.. I support saying your piece and moving on. However, in this case I am going to make a slight exception by pointing out that when you say: “I think most  people who have  historical hatred for The Assad regime are
        hoping
        that He be removed  for personal revenge, without any regard to the
        true purpose of  removing him, which is freedom and democracy for the
        Syrian people. It seems that Mr. Karam might believe that the end
        justifies
        the mean. I hope he is right on this one.” it shows a total misunderstanding of what I advocate. No whether did I ever support personal revenge and I never would, ever. You must also not confuse the merits for the removal of the Assad dictatorship with the ideology of those that appear to be offering support to the revolutionaries. The case for the Syrian revolution does not rest on whether the corrupt Saudi monarchy supports it or not.As for Western moral support allow me to say that it is an ethical obligation to take a position in support of those that are fighting against oppression and please do not remind me or others that in some cases that moral obligation was not forthcoming. You cannot condemn it when it was not offered and also condemn it when it is. As for the idea that the end justifies the means then again I think that you are attempting to apply standards that do not fit.The Syrian people, like any other people in the world, have the right to self determination and they sure have the right to remove a cruel dictatorship irrespective of whether we approve of what kind of government they have chosen to live under. I do not think that it can be worse than the one of the most rotten dictatorships in the Arab world. To paraphrase Winston Churchill in this case the means are whatever it takes to defeat backwardness and exploitation. The means are dictated by those in power. If they choose to follow a scorched earth policy then for heavens sake do not blame the victim.

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          Ghassan, I assure you that I only want a healthy debate,and not a tit with tat with you.I mostly comment on this forum when you publish an article,otherwise, I avoid yaliban altogether.
          Just to clarify the quote you highlighted in your reply, I never intended to follow up with  ” It seems that Mr. Karam might believe that the end justifies the  mean.I hope he is right on this one” in the same paragraph.
          So My apology if It seemed that I included you among those who seek the removal of Assad for personal revenge.That was never my intention.
          That being said, self determination applies to people who are occupied by foreign troops. Syria has been independent for over 67 years, so I disagree with your use of this term . Removing a dictator is their right,and I  advocated ,and dreamed of that day.
          My main problem is with religious groups and parties(that goes for Lebanon as well)replacing those dictators instead of a democracy.
           At the end of the day they will be responsible for their own actions,and they would have to live with the choices they make. I agree that I have no right to choose for them,but I do have the right to fear them and make a judgment on them because the ramification would definitely affect Lebanon one way or another. Peace.

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          Ghassan, I assure you that I only want a healthy debate,and not a tit with tat with you.I mostly comment on this forum when you publish an article,otherwise, I avoid yaliban altogether.
          Just to clarify the quote you highlighted in your reply, I never intended to follow up with  ” It seems that Mr. Karam might believe that the end justifies the  mean.I hope he is right on this one” in the same paragraph.
          So My apology if It seemed that I included you among those who seek the removal of Assad for personal revenge.That was never my intention.
          That being said, self determination applies to people who are occupied by foreign troops. Syria has been independent for over 67 years, so I disagree with your use of this term . Removing a dictator is their right,and I  advocated ,and dreamed of that day.
          My main problem is with religious groups and parties(that goes for Lebanon as well)replacing those dictators instead of a democracy.
           At the end of the day they will be responsible for their own actions,and they would have to live with the choices they make. I agree that I have no right to choose for them,but I do have the right to fear them and make a judgment on them because the ramification would definitely affect Lebanon one way or another. Peace.

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        Sebouh80 you are right , Lebanon problem was placed upon the Lebanese by mother France not Syrians, and  most Lebanese believe the fabricated constitution that only serve the naive and ignorant, believing it’s their sect ‘s right to exercise and the hell with the everyone else. Peace

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        Sebouh80 you are right , Lebanon problem was placed upon the Lebanese by mother France not Syrians, and  most Lebanese believe the fabricated constitution that only serve the naive and ignorant, believing it’s their sect ‘s right to exercise and the hell with the everyone else. Peace

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        Sebouh80 you are right , Lebanon problem was placed upon the Lebanese by mother France not Syrians, and  most Lebanese believe the fabricated constitution that only serve the naive and ignorant, believing it’s their sect ‘s right to exercise and the hell with the everyone else. Peace

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        Prophettt are you following what is happening inside the US.
        The November 18 police assault on protesting students at University of California, Davis has exposed the reactionary and brutal character of political, social and economic relations in the United States.
        The university police were armed as if they were entering a battle zone. It is clear from their actions that they looked upon the students not as human beings, but as thing to be controlled, brutalized and even shot down if the orders to do so were given. The policeman who sprayed the students with a noxious chemical went about his work placidly and methodically, treating his victims as if they were insects or, perhaps, weeds in his backyard. His fellow storm troopers did not indicate the slightest discomfort with his actions.
        The US government has used the issue of human rights to justify its attacks on whatever regime runs afoul of its geo-political interests. One can imagine the uproar in the media if the events at UC Davis had occurred at Tehran University. In fact, there is not a ruling class in the world that has anything to teach the American corporate elite when it comes to repression and violence.
        It is no mere coincidence that the attack on UC Davis students occurs as the US-backed military regime in Egypt is brutally suppressing demonstrators in Tahrir Square. The scale of the attacks may be different, but the content is the same

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          Yes Sebouh, I have been watching closely how the police have handled all the protests in several US cities,including My own city;NY City.
          Police departments all over the states have become bolder and more aggressive,especially after 9/11.The U of C seen is not much different than the seen we watched yesterday in Tahrir Square. They could have aired that piece,and claimed it was in Cairo,and it would have been believable.
           Only when exposed in media,and caught red handed, Action is taken and usually a slap on the hand.When it comes to human right abuse, The US usually justifies any action taken by its authorities,and Army,and only when the media gets on a  case,and some one is caught red handed,action is taken,and most of the time a slap on the hand is good enough.No wonder why the US demands immunity to its military personal working oversees.
          Guantama bay and Abu Greib  are good living examples.Might is right,and  history books are written by winners.lol

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        Prophettt are you following what is happening inside the US.
        The November 18 police assault on protesting students at University of California, Davis has exposed the reactionary and brutal character of political, social and economic relations in the United States.
        The university police were armed as if they were entering a battle zone. It is clear from their actions that they looked upon the students not as human beings, but as thing to be controlled, brutalized and even shot down if the orders to do so were given. The policeman who sprayed the students with a noxious chemical went about his work placidly and methodically, treating his victims as if they were insects or, perhaps, weeds in his backyard. His fellow storm troopers did not indicate the slightest discomfort with his actions.
        The US government has used the issue of human rights to justify its attacks on whatever regime runs afoul of its geo-political interests. One can imagine the uproar in the media if the events at UC Davis had occurred at Tehran University. In fact, there is not a ruling class in the world that has anything to teach the American corporate elite when it comes to repression and violence.
        It is no mere coincidence that the attack on UC Davis students occurs as the US-backed military regime in Egypt is brutally suppressing demonstrators in Tahrir Square. The scale of the attacks may be different, but the content is the same

      7. You keep getting banned and you keep adding t’s to your name? Are you a Tea party follower? LOL

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          He’s ‘working the room’ Hannibal. 🙂  Nothing like politics. 😉 But when you’re against the simple-minded computer spy, craftyness counts. 🙂

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          He’s ‘working the room’ Hannibal. 🙂  Nothing like politics. 😉 But when you’re against the simple-minded computer spy, craftyness counts. 🙂

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          I thought you’d be more concerned about censorship  by Ylibnan than my taste in tea.lol .And No I’m just a tea lover.

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      Sebouh80 you are speaking lots of logics on Mr. Karam’s article, though you are confused on core issues that effect the Syrians and Lebanese peoples not politicians and rulers, that suffer most, please review history of both countries and review your logic to better suit your opinion. Peace

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      that right for a big part but don’t thing we are idle Soon the king of shit in Riyyad will understand what it means to meddle in human buziness.This shit whose forebear shit v been bring back from Anatolia by Lawrence will soon be in jail with his crooked family

  18. LEBANON101 Avatar

    assad is going to be ousted as much as nusrallah and his pig thugs hate it . but im sad because it is going to be a bloody road until his end . bas nchala the syrian people will send him to hell

    1. Bashar isnt going anywhere…Ive said this since the so called revolution started…the arab spring dies in Syria, Bashar
      called the wests bluff and it failed and now they cant do anything,you already heard NATO say we have no plans whats
      so ever of using military force on Syria,and you heard the Arab league say the same thing,cause they know the consquenses of what will happen and know that syria is not the other countries that lost there leaders,but at the end I always respect your opinion and the opinion of others thats why we are on here to share what we think will happen,good day to you.

      1. LEBANON101 Avatar

        its sad to see that you would rather see an evil man in power , than a free syrian people. they people of syria have said time and time again they dont want NATO . so do not discredit them because al assad will be taken down whether you or your master in tehran like it or not .to much blood has been spilled . there is no turning around anymore. its either 22 million syrians or a few evil people . im betting my money on the people.

        1. 22 million syrians support Bashar,and for the record I never once said I supported anyone,please show me where I said I support him,and your wrong again the oppostion has asked NATO to intervene on 8 different requests,once again please respond to what I say and what you want to think what I said,If you need me to show you proof that millions and millions support assad please ask and ill show you….So good thing your not a betting man it would be a shame to lose that hard working money,and one more thing most leaders are evil….Peace to you and your family

          1. LEBANON101 Avatar

            22 million Syrians support him
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIjpp1u99ZE
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AGm4LXJv8ps
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HKJuKRctL8o
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C4_5AtIlVlw
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL2Ed2WvBRE&feature=related
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL9inxQy7oY&feature=related

            all the people int he videos are with him right ? and the thousands of other videos . all those people calling for him to leave, or better yet calling for execution. that are all supporting him right ? please go to sleep

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Thanks for adjusting line-spacing Michael. 🙂
          And you’re right … we must assume Assad has a following. Even Daffy Qadaffi was liked by some, for some reason.
           If he has 22 million on his side, then 33 million are against him. If there were democratically free elections, we’d accept results … right?  Eliminating voters by the gun is what no-one likes – as I’m sure you point out. Safe to say that MOST of us are not pleased by what we see on You-Tube … those little snippets of time and bloody scenes are graphic enough. But they don’t explain the philosophy .. only show some of it’s results. You need to go much furthur for answers to the inhumanity of humans. And the comments there ‘from the people’ are not nearly as complete in thought as what you will see in this site … or in what Gassan says. Or dare I say in ‘propagandist’ newspapers? ALL media is necessarily limited by space or a need to sell paper and TV advert-time quickly.
           Someday, someone will write a book about it all … and even then there will be people who won’t believe it. 🙂

          1. LEBANON101 Avatar

            i posted some things from youtube , but im wating for the moderator to approve. they are form syria but they are not clips of bleeding , or shot people. they are more powerful, they are clips of thousands of syrians calling for bashar to leave. how can anyone say everyone in syria is with al assad when there are thousands of videos with millions of people on them saying the exact opposite. yeah 22 million people might be with him if you count the retards here in lebanon and some people from iran and iraq.

      2. 5th,

        It seems like your calling majority of the syrian peoples cowards cause they have not joined the minority and protested against bashar, my point is if life was as bad as Ghassan and you and others make it be under bashar than trust me no fear in the world would stop those people from joining the small minority and instead standing with bashar and shedding tears for bashar and all faiths support bashar,he must be doing smthng right,and if u say they are forced to support him out of fear,thn explain to me in canada,in the states and in eourope are they forced to support bashar,cause ive seen millions around the world supporting him,i dont know him,im not syrian but i can only judge a leader by the masses nothing else if i dont know him,and please brother dont compare his support to ghaddafiie or anyo of those leaders tht lost there power,not even close what we are seeing in syria compared to what we saw in the other countries…none the less 5th you seem like a good person and i respect an honest respectable debate…cheers brother

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          I state what I think Michael – as do you. Don’t put words in my mouth. I cannot explain why some think the way they do – or why they make silly statements in You-Tube.
           But I may have another angle on what you see as ‘support’ for Assad.People in the west are tired of their tax dollars and their soldiers going into countries to try and ‘save’ them from themselves. In an age of such wonderful information-flow, they are willing to say anything to keep their governments from helping any more. Some would be only too happy to allow the killing to continue, I am sure, as it will only affect them, they think, if it takes money from their pockets. Maybe they are racists happy to decimate Syrians too. Lending support to the despot keeps it all going … right?
          But I am tired of the ‘debate’ about who is right or wrong. What IS wrong is keeping a regime using such methods in power.

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    assad is going to be ousted as much as nusrallah and his pig thugs hate it . but im sad because it is going to be a bloody road until his end . bas nchala the syrian people will send him to hell

    1. Bashar isnt going anywhere…Ive said this since the so called revolution started…the arab spring dies in Syria, Bashar
      called the wests bluff and it failed and now they cant do anything,you already heard NATO say we have no plans whats
      so ever of using military force on Syria,and you heard the Arab league say the same thing,cause they know the consquenses of what will happen and know that syria is not the other countries that lost there leaders,but at the end I always respect your opinion and the opinion of others thats why we are on here to share what we think will happen,good day to you.

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        its sad to see that you would rather see an evil man in power , than a free syrian people. they people of syria have said time and time again they dont want NATO . so do not discredit them because al assad will be taken down whether you or your master in tehran like it or not .to much blood has been spilled . there is no turning around anymore. its either 22 million syrians or a few evil people . im betting my money on the people.

        1. 22 million syrians support Bashar,and for the record I never once said I supported anyone,please show me where I said I support him,and your wrong again the oppostion has asked NATO to intervene on 8 different requests,once again please respond to what I say and what you want to think what I said,If you need me to show you proof that millions and millions support assad please ask and ill show you….So good thing your not a betting man it would be a shame to lose that hard working money,and one more thing most leaders are evil….Peace to you and your family

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          Thanks for adjusting line-spacing Michael. 🙂
          And you’re right … we must assume Assad has a following. Even Daffy Qadaffi was liked by some, for some reason.
           If he has 22 million on his side, then 33 million are against him. If there were democratically free elections, we’d accept results … right?  Eliminating voters by the gun is what no-one likes – as I’m sure you point out. Safe to say that MOST of us are not pleased by what we see on You-Tube … those little snippets of time and bloody scenes are graphic enough. But they don’t explain the philosophy .. only show some of it’s results. You need to go much furthur for answers to the inhumanity of humans. And the comments there ‘from the people’ are not nearly as complete in thought as what you will see in this site … or in what Gassan says. Or dare I say in ‘propagandist’ newspapers? ALL media is necessarily limited by space or a need to sell paper and TV advert-time quickly.
           Someday, someone will write a book about it all … and even then there will be people who won’t believe it. 🙂

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            i posted some things from youtube , but im wating for the moderator to approve. they are form syria but they are not clips of bleeding , or shot people. they are more powerful, they are clips of thousands of syrians calling for bashar to leave. how can anyone say everyone in syria is with al assad when there are thousands of videos with millions of people on them saying the exact opposite. yeah 22 million people might be with him if you count the retards here in lebanon and some people from iran and iraq.

      2. 5th,

        It seems like your calling majority of the syrian peoples cowards cause they have not joined the minority and protested against bashar, my point is if life was as bad as Ghassan and you and others make it be under bashar than trust me no fear in the world would stop those people from joining the small minority and instead standing with bashar and shedding tears for bashar and all faiths support bashar,he must be doing smthng right,and if u say they are forced to support him out of fear,thn explain to me in canada,in the states and in eourope are they forced to support bashar,cause ive seen millions around the world supporting him,i dont know him,im not syrian but i can only judge a leader by the masses nothing else if i dont know him,and please brother dont compare his support to ghaddafiie or anyo of those leaders tht lost there power,not even close what we are seeing in syria compared to what we saw in the other countries…none the less 5th you seem like a good person and i respect an honest respectable debate…cheers brother

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          I state what I think Michael – as do you. Don’t put words in my mouth. I cannot explain why some think the way they do – or why they make silly statements in You-Tube.
           But I may have another angle on what you see as ‘support’ for Assad.People in the west are tired of their tax dollars and their soldiers going into countries to try and ‘save’ them from themselves. In an age of such wonderful information-flow, they are willing to say anything to keep their governments from helping any more. Some would be only too happy to allow the killing to continue, I am sure, as it will only affect them, they think, if it takes money from their pockets. Maybe they are racists happy to decimate Syrians too. Lending support to the despot keeps it all going … right?
          But I am tired of the ‘debate’ about who is right or wrong. What IS wrong is keeping a regime using such methods in power.

  20. Ghassan,
     
    Although I see you have used Mr Shukrs behavior to justify your article,It would of been nice
     
    to see you be non biased and comment on the words and language that Mr Alloush used to Mr Shukr
     
    when all he said was “who are you to call assad a liar” And Mr Shukr is the head of Baath party in Lebanon
     
    and his leader was called a liar to his face, I wanna ask you this question Ghassan, How would any of our
     
    leaders faces be if they called there boss or leader a Liar to there face? do you think it would be the same lookl of a 4
     
    year old when told for the first time that there is no Santa Clause….
     
    Please Ghassan all I ask is dont be biased and use ur political views to wipe away ones actions that are no better
     
    than the actions of the one that you used to make an example of,and one more thing, it would be nice for you to maybe
     
    one day focus an article bout the struggles in Bahrain as they are going through ethnic cleansing over there for just being
     
    shia and pretty much no differnce between what the Bahranian regieme is doing compared to what Saddam Hussien did…
     
    Peace with you and your family…
     
    Mike

    1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
      Ghassan Karam

      Michael,
                 It is interesting how often people read into an article what is not there. It is true that I stressed the reaction of Mr. Shukur but I obviously did not commend the behaviour of Mr. Allouch. I am equally surprised that you would even consider justifying the wrong behaviour of an individual based on the fact that another individual is equally wrong.

      1. Ghassan,

        It is not my place to seperate those 2 scenarios,this is your article and I am commenting on what you stated,

        If I wrote the article and just focused on what Alloush said than I would take your answer above with a correct

        opinion,To respond to your article I will say this, it is written well and in detail and I do respect your views cause your

        not visious or rude,but I stated almost a year ago when this started that Assad is not going anywhere,and today

        I will reaffirm my positon that assad is not going anywhere,his regional allies are set up in perfection,Iran to contain

        Turkey and HA to contain Israel, Libya, Egypt,Tunis,etc…dont have what Assad has , One he has full support a year

        later from his army they have not defected maybe a small few but the majority still support, 2, he has his allies

        that I mentioned which are powers in the region,and I must say wheter its in the states or in Canada and abroad

        I see so many people chanting for Bashar its really crazy, for example if you go on youtube and put assad

        support from montreal you will see christians and muslims going crazy for him,and everyone i talk to tell me

        he is the greatest leader we can ask for,so I have to say i agree with prophett when he ses alot of hatred

        towards the assad regiems from the past is leading to people wanting assad out,and as far as the arab spring

        goes i think this is the biggest joke of our time,look whats happening in those countries now complete chaos,

        anyway i believe if NATO attacks Syria they know it will lead to a regional disaster thats why they keep saying

        we have no agenda for any military action on Syria, and as long as NATO doesnt get involved there will be no

        way in a million years that Assad leaves power…Arab spring stops in Syria…Good Day to you sir….

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Don’t get your ‘news’ from You-tube Michael.
          By the way, can you adjust your default text-line spacing to ‘single’? Just asking, but I think we would appreciate it.

        2. 5thDrawer,

          When you get your news from youtube you are getting it from the people and it
          is live coverage of what people are saying and what they are feeling,please
          explain to me whats better for me to get my news from a newspaper that uses
          the word “REPORT” to classify as a source, mmmmmm No thank you ive learned
          to stay away from propaganda newspapers and focus more on what the people are
          saying and from what I see day in and day out the masses support Bashar, my doctor
          is syrian in the states and he is christian and he is in shock whats happening to Syria
          and Bashar and claims its all outside influnence,and many others and not including the
          8 million that took the streets in Syria last week,and all the mass protests that support
          Bashar on a daily bases,so I will stick to peoples views but I appreciate your advice,
          good day.

  21. Ghassan,
     
    Although I see you have used Mr Shukrs behavior to justify your article,It would of been nice
     
    to see you be non biased and comment on the words and language that Mr Alloush used to Mr Shukr
     
    when all he said was “who are you to call assad a liar” And Mr Shukr is the head of Baath party in Lebanon
     
    and his leader was called a liar to his face, I wanna ask you this question Ghassan, How would any of our
     
    leaders faces be if they called there boss or leader a Liar to there face? do you think it would be the same lookl of a 4
     
    year old when told for the first time that there is no Santa Clause….
     
    Please Ghassan all I ask is dont be biased and use ur political views to wipe away ones actions that are no better
     
    than the actions of the one that you used to make an example of,and one more thing, it would be nice for you to maybe
     
    one day focus an article bout the struggles in Bahrain as they are going through ethnic cleansing over there for just being
     
    shia and pretty much no differnce between what the Bahranian regieme is doing compared to what Saddam Hussien did…
     
    Peace with you and your family…
     
    Mike

    1. Michael,
                 It is interesting how often people read into an article what is not there. It is true that I stressed the reaction of Mr. Shukur but I obviously did not commend the behaviour of Mr. Allouch. I am equally surprised that you would even consider justifying the wrong behaviour of an individual based on the fact that another individual is equally wrong.

      1. Ghassan,

        It is not my place to seperate those 2 scenarios,this is your article and I am commenting on what you stated,

        If I wrote the article and just focused on what Alloush said than I would take your answer above with a correct

        opinion,To respond to your article I will say this, it is written well and in detail and I do respect your views cause your

        not visious or rude,but I stated almost a year ago when this started that Assad is not going anywhere,and today

        I will reaffirm my positon that assad is not going anywhere,his regional allies are set up in perfection,Iran to contain

        Turkey and HA to contain Israel, Libya, Egypt,Tunis,etc…dont have what Assad has , One he has full support a year

        later from his army they have not defected maybe a small few but the majority still support, 2, he has his allies

        that I mentioned which are powers in the region,and I must say wheter its in the states or in Canada and abroad

        I see so many people chanting for Bashar its really crazy, for example if you go on youtube and put assad

        support from montreal you will see christians and muslims going crazy for him,and everyone i talk to tell me

        he is the greatest leader we can ask for,so I have to say i agree with prophett when he ses alot of hatred

        towards the assad regiems from the past is leading to people wanting assad out,and as far as the arab spring

        goes i think this is the biggest joke of our time,look whats happening in those countries now complete chaos,

        anyway i believe if NATO attacks Syria they know it will lead to a regional disaster thats why they keep saying

        we have no agenda for any military action on Syria, and as long as NATO doesnt get involved there will be no

        way in a million years that Assad leaves power…Arab spring stops in Syria…Good Day to you sir….

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          Don’t get your ‘news’ from You-tube Michael.

        2. 5thDrawer,

          When you get your news from youtube you are getting it from the people and it
          is live coverage of what people are saying and what they are feeling,please
          explain to me whats better for me to get my news from a newspaper that uses
          the word “REPORT” to classify as a source, mmmmmm No thank you ive learned
          to stay away from propaganda newspapers and focus more on what the people are
          saying and from what I see day in and day out the masses support Bashar, my doctor
          is syrian in the states and he is christian and he is in shock whats happening to Syria
          and Bashar and claims its all outside influnence,and many others and not including the
          8 million that took the streets in Syria last week,and all the mass protests that support
          Bashar on a daily bases,so I will stick to peoples views but I appreciate your advice,
          good day.

  22. having problems with Discuss ???

    1. Insightful and inspiring @google-c6ab0d02b96a6a8b11502879ead85164:disqus  although I wish I was as optimistic about the time-frame of our celebrations.

      Very good point about difference between Ideologues and Principled people. 

      Notice how the people that talk about “human rights” and against “imperialism” and “Occupation”, hold completely opposite views when we are talking about Wilayat-al-Fikr or Assad Imperialism, occupation or violations of human rights!

      @prophettt:disqus  @Sebouh80:disqus  God forbid should the south be in danger again we will stand with the people and open our homes as we have always done. This is the difference between us. 

      It is very disappointing that some choose their own self interest above the rights and needs of others. 
      Inshallah soon we will all enjoy the benefits of our new egalitarian democracy.

      1. Ghassan Karam Avatar
        Ghassan Karam

        ZiadH,
                 You sure have noted probably the most important thread in this post. Ideologues are defined to be: an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology.  When that is the case, and it often is, then discussants are no longer listening to each other but simply advocating positions that boil down to nothing much than a knee jerk reaction dictated by the “gods” of a particular ideology., the merits be damned.

        1. prophettt Avatar

          A reply posted Somewhere was not intended to Mr.Karam,but to Ziad instead. My bad.
          My intended comment is lost somewhere,My Apology to both,Ziad,and Mr.Karam, I think I should take a break.lol

      2. prophettt Avatar

        Ziad,

        What does the south  have to do with  debate going on here? You are talking about the south as if it were another country.
        The south to me is as important as Tripoli or any other part of Lebanon,and not a  bit more.
        You are either misreading my views, or reading what is not there. I’m not an ideologue by any means, but rather a responsible,and logical  principled individual who is not fooled by shallow talks. You may not know this,but Mr Karam should,and I believe He does , know my opposition to the dictatorship of the Assad regime as well as my support for democracy and freedom all over the Arab world.
         My problem is with those who stole the dreams of Syrian people and are attempting to turn Syria into another Afghanistan.
        My problem is with those dictators   who are supporting  the Syrian people when they are oppressing their own.
        My problem is with those who have always been racist toward the Syrian people,and all of a sudden they became champions of Syrian freedom .
        My problem is with hypocrisy and Hippocrates who ,for their own self interests , are pushing Syria into a chaotic sate where the extremists are to take over the whole region.
        My problem is with the extremists who are beheading people in Syrian towns just because they are from a different sect or faith.
        Please don’t rush to judgment.You have not addressed any of the points I raised above,Taking cheap shots does not serve this debate in anyway. Thank you.

        1. I never said the South was a separate entity, the south is very dear to us I can assure you. Mentioning the south was to point out how you respond to human rights violations dependent on the parties and areas involved, not principle.

          Till this day nobody has given a name to these “terrorists” or “salafists” or as you call them “those who stole the dreams of Syrian people and are attempting to turn Syria into another Afghanistan” , PLEASE TELL ME WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE???

          I agree with your point about the Emirs/kings/presidents/prime minsters that support this when they violate these principles at home, however this is a issue of relative context, compared to these Emirs/kings/presidents/prime minsters what SYrian regime is doing is significantly more widespread, frequent intense and costly to the people. 

          I agree with your point on rascism, it was so very painful when I saw in 2009 a syrian man being abused by a lebanese man just because he was syrian! This is a very real issue you mention, and there is no justification for it. However this is not the view of all people or even the majority of people that support the Syrian people, and we must also differentiate between racism and opposition to the regime.

          Talk of extremists is completely redundant, the option being put forward is not between dictatorship and Chaos, Assad and the Fascist socialist Bathist regime is not a force for stability.

          People being beheaded, Prophet google tal kalakh, you will see amnesty reports of people detained by security and taken to allawi villages where they were attacked with knives & hatchets people had their heads crushed others completely chopped off. Yes this is going on but this is being done by assad regime not Peace protesters. After 8months of brutality by the regime I would not be surprised by retaliation although I do not encourage it.

          My original comment was intended in part to illustrate the hypocrisy of certain groups on issues of human rights, occupation and imperialism. In your comment not once did you refer to the crimes being committed against the Syrian people by the regime, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of the violence is regime sponsored, all is regime inspired.

          I have done little more than restate what has already been accurately documented in various humanitarian reports, this is neither shallow or judgemental.

          Then other part of my comment was meant to reinforce the idea of justice and self respect. Although certain groups are siding with the regime and its stooges that are killing and torturing syrians as they did lebanese we are not like these people and we will never support aggression.

          Our insistence is on a dignified and legal prosecution that will hold to account those committing these crimes.
          If you still think I am treating the south as a seperate country please feel free to prosecute the Karamis or Mikati or Tawheed leaders or any northerner first!

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Part of an interview in Tripoli Star – a young man who left for Turkey not long after this.
           .. about armed resistance in Homs …

          He said they are not an army, or organized militia.
          “Not yet.”
          Asked who is organizing and giving orders, he would not say.
          At this point, Wassim started to cry.
          “For you outside, you want to know how it is organized, and how it is working. What is going to happen next.”
          “For me, I have just seen so much, so much death after eight months. Personally, psychologically, it is too much.”
          “In theory, like others, I believe in a peaceful revolution. But when you are there you know that is just impossible. It is instinct to defend your home, your family.”
          “We know that by turning to arms we are doing exactly what they wanted us to do, that we are playing in to their hands.”
          “But we have to defend ourselves.”

        3. prophettt Avatar

          Ziad,
          My earlier reply was lost somewhere,and I will some up what I intended to say ,and make it as short as I can.
          I’m glad you and I are in agreement on most issues,and I believe we differ on the means to  reach solutions.
          My opposition to the Syrian regime is a bit more personal than I would want to reveal at this forum. I can only say that some  very dear blood  is on their hand. That being said, My approach to the Syrian uprising is  more about  the big picture and the future of the region, than just personal revenge,and I have plenty of intensives to seek revenge,but I won’t.
          My response to violation to  human rights  in the south has been as strong as my response to this kind violation in any part of Lebanon or Syria.As a matter of fact, The south is not more important to me than Tripoli or any other part of the country,and it is not less. As for karami and Mikati, I would gladly replace some of the leaders of the south with either one of them,under the condition that they don’t change their sect either.lol
          As for the extremists,and the way you want to label them, it makes no difference, their behavior has given the regime all the missing excuses it needed,and not that it never needed any to kill civilians, but it seems that the regime can kill babies and blame the militants for either provoking a fight, or simply for for killing them.My main problem with the militants taking over this uprising is their reliance on support from other states. If and when these people take over in Syria, they would slaves to those who supported them. Frankly speaking, any group of people who seek foreign support in order to hold power, are considered traitors,and puppets,especially when the supporting side is as bad as the Assad regime.
          Militants can never be advocates of democracy,especially if they are religious ideologues.
          we all agree that it is a matter of time before the Assad regime collapses, but the question is what kind of regime are we to expect when religious militants are to take over.The greatest majority of Syrians who wanted to change the regime and replace it with a democratic and civil regime are going to be very disappointed because most of them may not live enough to taste democracy and freedom. 
          As for the sectarian violence taking place in some Syrian cities, I know that both sides are guilty of doing  it,and I never intended to accuse one side of committing those crimes,and my fear is that this might spread all over the county,and we end up with cleansing instead. By then, it might be too late for regrets.
          My whole point is that a peaceful uprising may have been more costly  in the short term,but definitely it would have picked up more speed,and generated more internal support than relying on extremists who are seeking military intervention by western powers. three months ago, the regime could not have been able to mobilize hundreds of thousands of supporters to take to the streets in support of the regime ,but now it can because many Syrians are scared to death of the alternative. I won’t be surprised to find out  one day that it was the regime itself which allowed militants to spearhead this uprising,since every thing  they do, they unintentionally end up serving the regime ,and prolonging its life.

      3. antar2011 Avatar

        in you reply to prophett below you are talking “lambaaa” meaning light, meaning=daw, meaning =gold!

        simple fact pple keep ignoring that if there are really salafist / extremist doing all sorts of different stuff in syria, they would not have hesitated to announce their responsibility and stick it to their interpretation of Islam.

        since we have not heard from them yet and since the Assadi govt does not allow foreign press in, then anyone can be excused for dismissing this point.

        can someone tell pple who believe the assadi salafist story is that when a person who happen to be a muslim cried; Allahu Akbar does nto necessarily mean he is an extremist.

        1. How bout the Saudi salafi wahhabie fighter they found Homs yesterday? ,maybe you can explain that to us please.

          1. antar2011 Avatar

            before i reply to you you need ti understand that i do not believe anything that comes out of syrian TV, Al Duniya TV, NEW TV, OTV, AL MANAR, NBN and whatever other TV/media outlet that is associated with these networks.

            it has been proven many times that these media sources are not credible in their reporting.

            but lets just assume that it was correct they have found a salafist man….so what?, does that mean there is a salafist movement behind him that making this?.there are many salafist syrians who are part of the syrian poeple, just like kurds, christians, druze and Alowites…..
            until a salafist movement broadcast publicaly as they always do that they are responsible for this revolution then anything else is Bulls***t!

            let’s also not ignore recent history…..most of salafist movement are supported and paid by this regime…just ask iraqi pple and some tripolians….

            on which planet ya michael you are living?

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    I wish I was as optimistic about the time-frame of our celebrations.
    Insightful and inspiring as always Mr Karam.

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      Insightful and inspiring @google-c6ab0d02b96a6a8b11502879ead85164:disqus  although I wish I was as optimistic about the time-frame of our celebrations.

      Very good point about difference between Ideologues and Principled people. 

      Notice how the people that talk about “human rights” and against “imperialism” and “Occupation”, hold completely opposite views when we are talking about Wilayat-al-Fikr or Assad Imperialism, occupation or violations of human rights!

      @prophettt:disqus  @Sebouh80:disqus  God forbid should the south be in danger again we will stand with the people and open our homes as we have always done. This is the difference between us. 

      It is very disappointing that some choose their own self interest above the rights and needs of others. 
      Inshallah soon we will all enjoy the benefits of our new egalitarian democracy.

      1. ZiadH,
                 You sure have noted probably the most important thread in this post. Ideologues are defined to be: an often blindly partisan advocate or adherent of a particular ideology.  When that is the case, and it often is, then discussants are no longer listening to each other but simply advocating positions that boil down to nothing much than a knee jerk reaction dictated by the “gods” of a particular ideology., the merits be damned.

        1.  Avatar

          Ziad, This reply was mistakenly posted as a reply to Mr. Karam
          Thank you writing back.I would excuse you because I think  you jumped into this debate  without reading my previous comments  to Mr Karam’s previous Article. My opposition the Assad regime and it’s  atrocities is bit more personal than I would have wanted to reveal.I usually don’t let my emotions dictate my logical and political analyses because this is not about me or my personal revenge toward the Assad regime.If I failed to mention the regime’s crimes in my comments , I did so  to avoid repeating what I had said many times at this page,and those who I was addressing or replying to, are very well aware of  views.Not mentioning this  sect  or that one as being victimization  does not mean that I only see one side of the coin. I’m very well aware of the exchange of violence,and the mutual victimization of Syrian civilians from all sects. This is exactly my point,Ziad, where we don’t fuel the fire by talking sectarian talks,as if only this sect is guilty and not the other.sectarianism is a cancer we , Lebanese, should not wish it on any other country. We, of all people ,should know better.I won’t define who those extremists are at this forum,because we have no clear evidence of exactly who they are yet. All we know is that they are radical religious groups who do not believe  in democracy or freedom of  religion or freedom of speech unless it is their speech. That being said, knowing who is financing them and arming them, is a  good indication of who they are,and how they would behave if they are in power. Afghanistan and Iraq and Pakistan are good examples. Being  Secular person my self, I have problem with all religious parties,yet If they are elected, I have no choice but to accept and respect the result,but when they take control using violence and beheading of innocent people, that is not acceptable under any circumstances.It is naive and irresponsible not to foresee where these people are taking the entire region.I think the day the Syrian uprising   was encouraged by The USA, the west,AND the dictators of the gulf states to take arms , the revolution lost its track,and became an a war of revenge on Assad by the USA and its allied; the other Arab dictators.Arming the opposition has played into the hand of the regime to some extend.

      2.  Avatar

        Ziad,
        What does the south  have to do with  debate going on here? You are talking about the south as if it were another country.
        The south to me is as important as Tripoli or any other part of Lebanon,and not a  bit more.
        You are either misreading my views, or reading what is not there. I’m not an ideologue by any means, but rather a responsible,and logical  principled individual who is not fooled by shallow talks. You may not know this,but Mr Karam should,and I believe He does , know my opposition to the dictatorship of the Assad regime as well as my support for democracy and freedom all over the Arab world.
         My problem is with those who stole the dreams of Syrian people and are attempting to turn Syria into another Afghanistan.
        My problem is with those dictators   who are supporting  the Syrian people when they are oppressing their own.
        My problem is with those who have always been racist toward the Syrian people,and all of a sudden they became champions of Syrian freedom .
        My problem is with hypocrisy and Hippocrates who ,for their own self interests , are pushing Syria into a chaotic sate where the extremists are to take over the whole region.
        My problem is with the extremists who are beheading people in Syrian towns just because they are from a different sect or faith.
        Thank you Zaiad, and please don’t rush to judgment.

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          I never said the South was a separate entity, the south is very dear to us I can assure you and Inshallah one day I will tell you about the Heroics of my dear uncle that fought in the south against the Israeli invasion. Mentioning the south was to point out how you respond to human rights violations dependent on the parties and areas involved not principle.

          Till this day nobody has given a name to these “terrorists” or “salafists” or as you call them “those who stole the dreams of Syrian people and are attempting to turn Syria into another Afghanistan” , PLEASE TELL ME WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE???

          I agree with your point about the Emirs/kings/presidents/prime minsters that support this when they violate these principles at home, however this is a issue of relative context, compared to these Emirs/kings/presidents/prime minsters what SYrian regime is doing is significantly more widespread, frequent intense and costly to the people. 

        2.  Avatar

          Part of an interview in Tripoli Star – a young man who left for Turkey not long after this.
           .. about armed resistance in Homs …

          He said they are not an army, or organized militia.
          “Not yet.”
          Asked who is organizing and giving orders, he would not say.
          At this point, Wassim started to cry.
          “For you outside, you want to know how it is organized, and how it is working. What is going to happen next.”
          “For me, I have just seen so much, so much death after eight months. Personally, psychologically, it is too much.”
          “In theory, like others, I believe in a peaceful revolution. But when you are there you know that is just impossible. It is instinct to defend your home, your family.”
          “We know that by turning to arms we are doing exactly what they wanted us to do, that we are playing in to their hands.”
          “But we have to defend ourselves.”

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          Ziad,
          My earlier reply was lost somewhere,and I will some up what I intended to say ,and make it as short as I can.
          I’m glad you and I are in agreement on most issues,and I believe we differ on the means to  reach solutions.
          My opposition to the Syrian regime is a bit more personal than I would want to reveal at this forum. I can only say that some  very dear blood  is on their hand. That being said, My approach to the Syrian uprising is  more about  the big picture and the future of the region, than just personal revenge,and I have plenty of intensives to seek revenge,but I won’t.
          My response to violation to  human rights  in the south has been as strong as my response to this kind violation in any part of Lebanon or Syria.As a matter of fact, The south is not more important to me than Tripoli or any other part of the country,and it is not less. 
          As for the extremists,and the way you want to label them, it makes no difference, their behavior has given the regime all the missing excuses it needed,and not that it never needed any to kill civilians, but it seems that the regime can kill babies and blame the militants for either provoking a fight, or simply for for killing them.My main problem with the militants taking over this uprising is their reliance on support from other states. If and when these people take over in Syria, they would slaves to those who supported them. Frankly speaking, any group of people who seek foreign support in order to hold power, are considered traitors,and puppets,especially when the supporting side is as bad as the Assad regime.
          Militants can never be advocates of democracy,especially if they are religious ideologues.
          we all agree that it is a matter of time before the Assad regime collapses, but the question is what kind of regime are we to expect when religious militants are to take over.The greatest majority of Syrians who wanted to change the regime and replace it with a democratic and civil regime are going to be very disappointed because most of them may not live enough to taste democracy and freedom. 
          As for the sectarian violence taking place in some Syrian cities, I know that both sides are guilty of doing  it,and I never intended to accuse one side of committing those crimes,and my fear is that this might spread all over the county,and we end up with cleansing instead. By then, it might be too late for regrets.
          My whole point is that a peaceful uprising may have been more costly  in the short term,but definitely it would have picked up more speed,and generated more internal support than relying on extremists who are seeking military intervention by western powers. three months ago, the regime could not have been able to mobilize hundreds of thousands of supporters to take to the streets in support of the regime ,but now it can because many Syrians are scared to death of the alternative. I won’t be surprised to find out  one day that it was the regime itself which allowed militants to spearhead this uprising,since every thing  they do, they unintentionally end up serving the regime ,and prolonging its life.

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        Ziad,
        What does the south  have to do with  debate going on here? You are talking about the south as if it were another country.
        The south to me is as important as Tripoli or any other part of Lebanon,and not a  bit more.
        You are either misreading my views, or reading what is not there. I’m not an ideologue by any means, but rather a responsible,and logical  principled individual who is not fooled by shallow talks. You may not know this,but Mr Karam should,and I believe He does , know my opposition to the dictatorship of the Assad regime as well as my support for democracy and freedom all over the Arab world.
         My problem is with those who stole the dreams of Syrian people and are attempting to turn Syria into another Afghanistan.
        My problem is with those dictators   who are supporting  the Syrian people when they are oppressing their own.
        My problem is with those who have always been racist toward the Syrian people,and all of a sudden they became champions of Syrian freedom .
        My problem is with hypocrisy and Hippocrates who ,for their own self interests , are pushing Syria into a chaotic sate where the extremists are to take over the whole region.
        My problem is with the extremists who are beheading people in Syrian towns just because they are from a different sect or faith.
        Thank you Zaiad, and please don’t rush to judgment.

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        in you reply to prophett below you are talking “lambaaa” meaning light, meaning=daw, meaning =gold!

        simple fact pple keep ignoring that if there are really salafist / extremist doing all sorts of different stuff in syria, they would not have hesitated to announce their responsibility and stick it to their interpretation of Islam.

        since we have not heard from them yet and since the Assadi govt does not allow foreign press in, then anyone can be excused for dismissing this point.

        can someone tell pple who believe the assadi salafist story is that when a person who happen to be a muslim cried; Allahu Akbar does nto necessarily mean he is an extremist.

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        in you reply to prophett below you are talking “lambaaa” meaning light, meaning=daw, meaning =gold!

        simple fact pple keep ignoring that if there are really salafist / extremist doing all sorts of different stuff in syria, they would not have hesitated to announce their responsibility and stick it to their interpretation of Islam.

        since we have not heard from them yet and since the Assadi govt does not allow foreign press in, then anyone can be excused for dismissing this point.

        can someone tell pple who believe the assadi salafist story is that when a person who happen to be a muslim cried; Allahu Akbar does nto necessarily mean he is an extremist.

        1. How bout the Saudi salafi wahhabie fighter they found Homs yesterday? ,maybe you can explain that to us please.

        2. How bout the Saudi salafi wahhabie fighter they found Homs yesterday? ,maybe you can explain that to us please.

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            before i reply to you you need ti understand that i do not believe anything that comes out of syrian TV, Al Duniya TV, NEW TV, OTV, AL MANAR, NBN and whatever other TV/media outlet that is associated with these networks.

            it has been proven many times that these media sources are not credible in their reporting.

            but lets just assume that it was correct they have found a salafist man….so what?, does that mean there is a salafist movement behind him that making this?.there are many salafist syrians who are part of the syrian poeple, just like kurds, christians, druze and Alowites…..
            until a salafist movement broadcast publicaly as they always do that they are responsible for this revolution then anything else is Bulls***t!

            let’s also not ignore recent history…..most of salafist movement are supported and paid by this regime…just ask iraqi pple and some tripolians….

            on which planet ya michael you are living?

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      Insightful and inspiring @google-c6ab0d02b96a6a8b11502879ead85164:disqus  although I wish I was as optimistic about the time-frame of our celebrations.

      Very good point about difference between Ideologues and Principled people. 

      Notice how the people that talk about “human rights” and against “imperialism” and “Occupation”, hold completely opposite views when we are talking about Wilayat-al-Fikr or Assad Imperialism, occupation or violations of human rights!

      @prophettt:disqus  @Sebouh80:disqus  God forbid should the south be in danger again we will stand with the people and open our homes as we have always done. This is the difference between us. 

      It is very disappointing that some choose their own self interest above the rights and needs of others. 
      Inshallah soon we will all enjoy the benefits of our new egalitarian democracy.

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      Insightful and inspiring @google-c6ab0d02b96a6a8b11502879ead85164:disqus  although I wish I was as optimistic about the time-frame of our celebrations.

      Very good point about difference between Ideologues and Principled people. 

      Notice how the people that talk about “human rights” and against “imperialism” and “Occupation”, hold completely opposite views when we are talking about Wilayat-al-Fikr or Assad Imperialism, occupation or violations of human rights!

      @prophettt:disqus  @Sebouh80:disqus  God forbid should the south be in danger again we will stand with the people and open our homes as we have always done. This is the difference between us. 

      It is very disappointing that some choose their own self interest above the rights and needs of others. 
      Inshallah soon we will all enjoy the benefits of our new egalitarian democracy.

  24. Charlieladd Avatar
    Charlieladd

    Just read the article by Rana Kabbani and how true it is.  I always remember visiting Syria as a child with my family and noticing the fear in people. It seems to me that some are using fear again as an excuse to let this evil regime carry on. It may or may not end badly but I would like the Syrian people to at least have the chance of trying to have a better future. It is up to them what they decide for their future, and like Mr Karam says it is going to be a long process. It is still an ongoing revolution in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and elsewhere. I think we should only show respect to the brave Syrians who stood up to their rulers against all odds.  

    1. Charlieladd: I too visited Syria about 10 years ago, and one of the very first things I noticed was the fear in the eyes of the Syrian people. It was so obvious, one could not help but notice it. Brother spying on brother, no one could trust anyone, not even a family member…very strange all the way around….you’re right…

    2. leobetapar Avatar

      stupid the only next regime which will fall it those of the golf and u will be down with the ahl shitty of the golf, bark eating goat

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        Have to admit Leo … I tried golf once … the regimen was easy, but it wasn’t my game … although I didn’t see any goats eating bark off the trees.

        (see Leo below … example of extreme lack of understanding)

        1. leobetapar Avatar

          what does sunna means if it’s not bark? and  only  goat  dare eating bark >Maybe it’s why lawrence take a goat herder from anatolia to bring in Mecqua the first ahl saud

        2. lebsyrian Avatar

          5th, your reply was hilarious. It literally made me lol. And leo, just shut up, your posts on here truly are a joke.

      2. Charlieladd Avatar
        Charlieladd

        If the Gulf people want their freedom too, then I am all for it. If that’s what you are saying. I find it a little bit hard to understand you. Also I’d rather be a goat than be in your shoes!

        1. leobetapar Avatar

          no problem u can’t be in my shoes ,u would v to be monotheiste and that to heavy for u

        2. leobetapar Avatar

          the Associated Press reports that American officials later conceded that Nasrallah had been telling the truth.

    3. leobetapar Avatar

      stupid the only next regime which will fall it those of the golf and u will be down with the ahl shitty of the golf, bark eating goat

  25.  Avatar

    Just read the article by Rana Kabbani and how true it is.  I always remember visiting Syria as a child with my family and noticing the fear in people. It seems to me that some are using fear again as an excuse to let this evil regime carry on. It may or may not end badly but I would like the Syrian people to at least have the chance of trying to have a better future. It is up to them what they decide for their future, and like Mr Karam says it is going to be a long process. It is still an ongoing revolution in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and elsewhere. I think we should only show respect to the brave Syrians who stood up to their rulers against all odds.  

    1. Charlieladd: I too visited Syria about 10 years ago, and one of the very first things I noticed was the fear in the eyes of the Syrian people. It was so obvious, one could not help but notice it. Brother spying on brother, no one could trust anyone, not even a family member…very strange all the way around….you’re right…

    2. Charlieladd: I too visited Syria about 10 years ago, and one of the very first things I noticed was the fear in the eyes of the Syrian people. It was so obvious, one could not help but notice it. Brother spying on brother, no one could trust anyone, not even a family member…very strange all the way around….you’re right…

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      stupid the only next regime which will fall it those of the golf and u will be down with the ahl shitty of the golf, bark eating goat

      1.  Avatar

        Have to admit … I tried golf once … wasn’t my game … although I didn’t see any goats eating bark off the trees.

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          what does sunna means if it’s not bark? and  only  goat  dare eating bark >Maybe it’s why lawrence take a goat herder from anatolia to bring in Mecqua the first ahl saud

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          5th, your reply was hilarious. It literally made me lol. And leo, just shut up, your posts on here truly are a joke.

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        If the Gulf people want their freedom too, then I am all for it. If that’s what you are saying. I find it a little bit hard to understand you. Also I’d rather be a goat than be in your shoes!

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          no problem u can’t be in my shoes ,u would v to be monotheiste and that to heavy for u

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          no problem u can’t be in my shoes ,u would v to be monotheiste and that to heavy for u

        3.  Avatar

          the Associated Press reports that American officials later conceded that Nasrallah had been telling the truth.

      3.  Avatar

        If the Gulf people want their freedom too, then I am all for it. If that’s what you are saying. I find it a little bit hard to understand you. Also I’d rather be a goat than be in your shoes!

  26. antar2011 Avatar

    Salim Zaghiyeh:

    “to feel scared of the fate of the ‘minoities” after Assad was a credible question 3-4 months ago but not today. yesterday the national syrian body has openly declared in its aims after Assad is gone is to protect diversity in the syrian society. diversity in opinion, religion and race. the head of the body stressed that their aims are not to protect the minorities rather their aims are to protect freedoms.
    we do not believe we are a minority. we believe we are an intrinsic factor in lebanese society. to describe them as minorities is to put them in one block seperated or rather isolated from the rest of society. christians have always asked to be treated  justly indiscriminatry, they asked to be treated equaly and honourably with the rest of the people in Lebanon, syria or Egypt.
    the fashion word in Europe is “protection of minorities” but what they mean is protection of diversity in a society, beb it political, cultural or national etc.  We should not understand it only to mean that our societies are made up of only christians and muslims”.

    GOLD!  

  27.  Avatar

    Salim Zaghiyeh:

    “to feel scared of the fate of the ‘minoities” after Assad was a credible question 3-4 months ago but not today. yesterday the national syrian body has openly declared in its aims after Assad is gone is to protect diversity in the syrian society. diversity in opinion, religion and race. the head of the body stressed that their aims are not to protect the minorities rather their aims are to protect freedoms.
    we do not believe we are a minority. we believe we are an intrinsic factor in lebanese society. to describe them as minorities is to put them in one block seperated or rather isolated from the rest of society. christians have always asked to be treated  justly indiscriminatry, they asked to be treated equaly and honourably with the rest of the people in Lebanon, syria or Egypt.
    the fashion word in Europe is “protection of minorities” but what they mean is protection of diversity in a society, beb it political, cultural or national etc.  We should not understand it only to mean that our societies are made up of only christians and muslims”.

    GOLD!  

  28.  Avatar

    Salim Zaghiyeh:

    “to feel scared of the fate of the ‘minoities” after Assad was a credible question 3-4 months ago but not today. yesterday the national syrian body has openly declared in its aims after Assad is gone is to protect diversity in the syrian society. diversity in opinion, religion and race. the head of the body stressed that their aims are not to protect the minorities rather their aims are to protect freedoms.
    we do not believe we are a minority. we believe we are an intrinsic factor in lebanese society. to describe them as minorities is to put them in one block seperated or rather isolated from the rest of society. christians have always asked to be treated  justly indiscriminatry, they asked to be treated equaly and honourably with the rest of the people in Lebanon, syria or Egypt.
    the fashion word in Europe is “protection of minorities” but what they mean is protection of diversity in a society, beb it political, cultural or national etc.  We should not understand it only to mean that our societies are made up of only christians and muslims”.

    GOLD!  

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      and u believe that ?are u idiot?

  29. leobetapar Avatar

    never read so stupid things Please tell me it’s not you but an obscur sub-operator of the CIA who wrote that if not you have win the prize of the most unsalubrate mind

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Leo, leo, leo … is there ANYTHING in here you are actually happy with reading? Why do you bother ??

    2. MeYosemite Avatar

      Leo: while you accuse everyone who disagree with you as some sort of agent, what are your credentials to make immature comments like that. you stated elsewhere your are not lebanese or from some arab country. So where you are from?

      1. Teez al Kalab! (Dogs ass)

      2. leobetapar Avatar

        a human from hearth isn’t enough

      3. leobetapar Avatar

        the Associated Press reports that American officials later conceded that Nasrallah had been telling the truth.

  30. leobetapar Avatar

    never read so stupid things Please tell me it’s not you but an obscur sub-operator of the CIA who wrote that if not you have win the prize of the most unsalubrate mind

  31.  Avatar

    never read so stupid things Please tell me it’s not you but an obscur sub-operator of the CIA who wrote that if not you have win the prize of the most unsalubrate mind

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      Leo, leo, leo … is there ANYTHING in here you are actually happy with reading? Why do you bother ??

    2.  Avatar

      Leo: while you accuse everyone who disagree with you as some sort of agent, what are your credentials to make immature comments like that. you stated elsewhere your are not lebanese or from some arab country. So where you are from?

      1.  Avatar

        Teez al Kalab!

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        a human from hearth isn’t enough

      3.  Avatar

        the Associated Press reports that American officials later conceded that Nasrallah had been telling the truth.

  32. MeYosemite Avatar

    After rereading the responses on this article, I’m surprised to realized how far the model of dictatorship as ingrained itself so deep in some of the responders. Terms like “great warrior” were used just to remind me of the middle age period; A one religion or one party takes it all mentality. Those folks cannot think yet of equal rights. They don’t understand that no one wins in a war.

    In a sense people like those are picking up a fight, eventually they will have one. 20 years of a civil war in Lebanon, the doha agreement didn’t settle the differences. to the kids then who became young men now but are confused on how to handle differences. There are 20 years between ww1 and ww2 and it took two wars to settle the differences. I hope for the Lebanese, the one who have not see the war yet can settle their differences without one. Their age clearly gives itself in their writings on this blog.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Exactly … To always consider fighting as a first option will only continue the fighting. And the hatred.

      1. leobetapar Avatar

        who was making inner fighting the idiotics barbares,who was fighting the envahissor the great resistant That 2 things differents

    2. leobetapar Avatar

      no man no The only one Arab who defeat the Zioniste and with only grenade and kalach is a great warrior .The all world acknowledge only small jealous arabs can deny him this title

      1. leobetapar Avatar

        u say nothing consistent  i am not lebanese During the only one war which worth something (the civil one was just barbary) where was u ?hiding evidently so now u r jealous and u piss ur hate at those who got the courage to stand up to the only one envahissor Lebanon have faced

  33. MeYosemite Avatar

    After rereading the responses on this article, I’m surprised to realized how far the model of dictatorship as ingrained itself so deep in some of the responders. Terms like “great warrior” were used just to remind me of the middle age period; A one religion or one party takes it all mentality. Those folks cannot think yet of equal rights. They don’t understand that no one wins in a war.

    In a sense people like those are picking up a fight, eventually they will have one. 20 years of a civil war in Lebanon, the doha agreement didn’t settle the differences. to the kids then who became young men now but are confused on how to handle differences. There are 20 years between ww1 and ww2 and it took two wars to settle the differences. I hope for the Lebanese, the one who have not see the war yet can settle their differences without one. Their age clearly gives itself in their writings on this blog.

  34.  Avatar

    After rereading the responses on this article, I’m surprised to realized how far the model of dictatorship as ingrained itself so deep in some of the responders. Terms like “great warrior” were used just to remind me of the middle age period; A one religion or one party takes it all mentality. Those folks cannot think yet of equal rights. They don’t understand that no one wins in a war.

    In a sense people like those are picking up a fight, eventually they will have one. 20 years of a civil war in Lebanon, the doha agreement didn’t settle the differences. to the kids then who became young men now but are confused on how to handle differences. There are 20 years between ww1 and ww2 and it took two wars to settle the differences. I hope for the Lebanese, the one who have not see the war yet can settle their differences without one. Their age clearly gives itself in their writings on this blog.

    1.  Avatar

      Exactly … To always consider fighting as a first option will only continue the fighting. And the hatred.

      1.  Avatar

        who was making inner fighting the idiotics barbares,who was fighting the envahissor the great resistant That 2 things differents

    2.  Avatar

      no man no The only one Arab who defeat the Zioniste and with only grenade and kalach is a great warrior .The all world acknowledge only small jealous arabs can deny him this title

      1.  Avatar

        u say nothing consistent  i am not lebanese During the only one war which worth something (the civil one was just barbary) where was u ?hiding evidently so now u r jealous and u piss ur hate at those who got the courage to stand up to the only one envahissor Lebanon have faced

  35. Change will take place!It may take months or years! When people rise and revolt ,they move forward!They may stumble here and there but will not go back!!There are some who think that this brutal crackdown will put an end to the call for change and freedom!This call for freedom will continue and nothing can stop it !Dictators and such regimes can use all the force to silence ,suppress and repress;terrorize,torture and kill!  The way they use unlimited power has endangered their survival,their  countries and their neighbors !It has also affected their behavior !They threaten ,falsify ,deny and defy !They cannot continue to force people to live under such repressive governments!Governments should respect ,protect,and serve their people s interests !!!

  36.  Avatar

    Change will take place!It may take months or years! When people rise and revolt ,they move forward!They may stumble here and there but will not go back!!There are some who think that this brutal crackdown will put an end to the call for change and freedom!This call for freedom will continue and nothing can stop it !Dictators and such regimes can use all the force to silence ,suppress and repress;terrorize,torture and kill!  The way they use unlimited power has endangered their survival,their  countries and their neighbors !It has also affected their behavior !They threaten ,falsify ,deny and defy !They cannot continue to force people to live under such repressive governments!Governments should respect ,protect,and serve their people s interests !!!

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