Israel reluctant to accuse Islamic State over bar shootings despite hallmarks

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Nashat Melhem
Nashat Melhem

It appeared to have hallmarks of the first Islamic State attack in Israel: A Muslim citizen opened fire on a Tel Aviv bar days after the militant group threatened the country, and left behind a black ISIS banner.

But security officials, given pause by the erratic conduct of the slain gunman and wary of aggravating strains with Israel’s largely quiescent Arab minority, are steering clear of definitively linking him with Islamic State.

“This really was not a classic ISIS terrorist attack,” a security official told Reuters on Thursday after the Shin Bet domestic intelligence agency and Justice Ministry issued their findings on the Jan. 1 shooting rampage by Nashat Melhem that killed three people.

The 31-year-old died a week later in a gunfight with police. The attack fell six weeks after 130 were killed in militant attacks on bars, cafes and a concert hall in Paris.

An Israeli indictment against three Arab citizens for abetting Melhem’s escape said he had “sought to help the enemy, including the ISIS group, fight Israel”. He left a black banner in Tel Aviv with the group’s name in handwritten Arabic and Hebrew as well as a flag with Koranic text, the indictment says.

In selfie recordings released by the authorities, Melhem is seen holding a bullet and vowing to hit “the Jews” again in Tel Aviv, cursing Shia Islam and telling U.S. President Barack Obama: “Become a Muslim, you Crusader, if you want to be saved.”

He also uses foul language and is seen drinking from a beer bottle, smoking and bragging about taking drugs. Relatives said Melhem, previously jailed for assaulting an Israeli soldier, had psychiatric problems.

The security official described Melhem’s behavior as inconsistent with Islamist piety and a reason the Shin Bet believed he acted alone. Another was the absence of any evidence he received direct instruction from Islamic State.

By contrast, the Shin Bet last year arrested several Israeli Arabs it said were trying to form an armed cell under orders from two fellow citizens fighting with Islamic State in Iraq.

Israel faces more active threats from armed Palestinian factions like Hamas, as well as from Hezbollah guerrillas in neighboring Lebanon, though officials point to Islamic State affiliates in the Egyptian Sinai as having the potential to launch cross-border attacks too.

What constitutes genuine Islamic State action outside its Middle East fiefdoms is a question bedevilling security agencies worldwide. They must weigh media outreach, which is designed to inspire “lone wolf” strikes, but are reluctant to exaggerate the scope of the threat.

Yoram Schweitzer, a terrorism expert with Tel Aviv University’s Institute for National Security Studies, said Israel was especially mindful of the impact of Melhem’s actions on fellow Arabs citizens, who make up a fifth of its population.

While often sympathetic to the Palestinians, Israeli Arabs seldom resort to political violence – a fact often noted by the Shin Bet. But with dozens of Israeli Arabs having left to join Islamic State, authorities worry the domestic danger is growing.

“I think that while the ISIS menace cannot be ignored, what is more important is not to inflate it,” Schweitzer said.

“Israeli authorities have an interest in this regard, as no one wants to see Melhem copycats – not least because he managed to kill three people and get away, in what made them look like a bit of a circus.”

 

REUTERS

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198 responses to “Israel reluctant to accuse Islamic State over bar shootings despite hallmarks”

  1. Makes me wonder why…???

    1. Hind Abyad Avatar
      Hind Abyad

      I don’t wonder why…

      1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
        Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        You don’t wonder why because you blame the ‘Zionists’ for everything because you’re a racist.

        1. Rudy1947 Avatar

          Ya think!

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Like the Bushies.

          1. Rudy1947 Avatar

            Not very educational. I guess mom and dad had two many mouths to feed.

          2. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Can’t believe how stupid you are..well, that’s Zionism.

          3. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            No, that’s your esoteric definition of Zionism that you made up and attributed to the collective Jew because you’re a Nazi.

          4. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Stop repeating yourself.

          5. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Stop spreading Nazi and Soviet inspired Antisemitic propaganda.

          6. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Bolsheviks were Jews!

          7. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I hate that story. Horrible Tzar family massacre, Trotsky met the assassins years later.

          8. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            I know how you love your token Antisemites of Jewish heritage. Especially in the early years, many bolsheviks (a large minority) were as such, people of Jewish/Israelite heritage that wished all of us to shed our heritage in the name of equality. There were many purges under Stalin (such as the persecution of Jewish doctors) and a radical Antisemitic propaganda campaign which was influenced by the old Antisemitism of Tsarist Russia and endured to the end of the USSR. It profoundly influenced Arabs and Arabized Syriacs like yourself. Stop your bigotry, your racism, your Antisemitism.

          9. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Every ‘OLD COUNTRY’ had it’s purges. Some caused by ‘locals’, and others by ‘Nature’.
            As I search my ‘family tree’, it is easy to see where and when they made the choice to remove themselves from ‘purgers’ and become free of those ancient shackles. which was good for me, as I became something ‘new’ and hopefully improved.
            In MY lifetime, there was a curious development which idiot politicians attempted (and do still) to describe Canadians as ‘Slash-Something’ for ‘Demographic Chartists’ and the ‘Multi-cult’ concept. They put that line into a Census Form.
            WE THE PEOPLE – BORN IN CANADA took note, and said ‘F.U.’ I’M CANADIAN’. They were a little frustrated by this, of course …. eventually they added that line because we resisted the ‘pegging’ for whatever screwy plot they had in mind … and THAT is the answer they will always get from many (I hope most) of us, even as they attempt to foul up the ‘oneness’ of people which was found to be needed to simply survive in the place.
            And I’m not going to say there were not ‘bad characters’ moving around the place who had been born here … but those ones often died early without ever figuring out why and how they ‘came to be’, since they didn’t know history and couldn’t learn what NOT to do from it.
            I DO see there are some still attempting to speak ‘Multi-Cult’.
            We are doomed when a majority WILL NOT say ‘I’m Canadian’.

          10. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            But the Soviets had specifically ethnic purges against the Jews and spread anti-Jewish propaganda and tried to encourage Jews to move to the arse end of Siberia.

          11. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You are the racist bigot annoying me.

          12. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            That’s hilarious. You’re just throwing words around and inverting them and calling someone what they’ve just called you out for being whilst spreading racist, bigoted cartoons. You’re a raging racist c**t.

          13. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            And you’re employing Holocaust inversion. I’ve never come across a worse racist, Nazi piece of garbage like yourself.

          14. Hind Abyad Avatar

            I’ve never come across a worse racist, Nazi piece of garbage like yourself.

          15. Brilliant response. Worthy of ……. err…….well…….nothing.

          16. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Not a response.. err ..just.. well.. parroting Ben Yoyo

          17. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Not a response, a copy paste of Yoel comment…..well ……..nothing

          18. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Your avatar is an inappropriate eyesore .

          19. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Yes that’s right, I haven’t.

          20. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Stalin midwifed Israel.

          21. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Stalin wanted Britain out of the region and so he made a strategic decision. Things soured between Israel and the USSR by 1953.

          22. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Love your original (deleted) bird brained comment that ‘Bolsheviks were Jews!’ btw. Real hallmark of a Nazi level Antisemite. Like Hitler who saw prominence of Jews in certain professions and claimed they were ‘dominated’ by Jews in some conspiracy.

          23. Hannibal Avatar

            Do you deny Adam that zionism today can be labeled as zionazism?

          24. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Categorically and unreservedly. To say so is slander and Holocaust inversion. That is a form of Antisemitism.

            Regardless of what has happened in conflict, theoretically, Zionism means that the oldest, still existing group from an area, should be allowed, if any wish (without coercion), to move to the area of their historic homeland. No one would need to get displaced as a result. Should they become the majority in an area of their homeland, they should be able to have independence or autonomy in an area whose symbols represent their history. Within that area, the minorities should have full civic equality. In the rest of their historic homeland, they should have full civic equality and the state should teach also their history and to an extent, language, and to teach it with respect. In modern times, it may describe also support for the continued existence of a country which is a product of such an idea. An ethnic group may be based on a number of characteristics and not one alone. It should have at least a couple to be an ethnicity. Most countries are ethno-cultural nation-states. Zioinism proposes to create one for an indigenous people. It isn’t related to any ideas of dominance or superiority. The Israelite idea of chosenness is about responsibility to uphold a large number of rules.

            Nazism believes that a specific genetic but to an extent cultural group are superior to all else and born to dominate them. It believes in industrial mass murder and deliberate, designed expulsion and that through these things, it should conquer a great part of the globe and fill it with its own people and dominate others. It believes in removing all other ideas. It believes in replacing Christianity with some messed up variation of Nordic paganism. It believes in biblical and historical revisionism and fabrication. It makes a hierarchy of ‘races’.

            Anyone who confuses the two is entirely lacking in logic and reason, or is totally ignorant, or is a bigot.

          25. 5thDrawer Avatar

            The rather LARGE assumption that a Jew cannot be ignorant or bigoted is where one runs into the ‘labelling’ problem with the ‘anti’ line when semetics are verbally describing each other. Canadians have found it’s best to describe oneself as what we ARE NOT. (e.g… American) Touting the obvious as something ‘uber-positive’ to those who DON’T give a hoot what you are, all the time, because they are happy being what they are, and then trying to make it seem that any criticism re-directed back is simply ‘anti’, causes the fights.
            You can say ‘I’m Jewish.’ I will say, ‘I’m not’. And that should be the end of it.

          26. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Well said, the world had enough of the anti-Semitic label..
            “Christianity began in the Middle East in Jerusalem among Jewish Aramaic-speaking Semitic peoples of Judah (modern Israel, Palestinian Territories and Jordan). It quickly spread, initially to other Semitic peoples, in Parthia-ruled Assyria and Mesopotamia (modern Iraq), Roman-ruled Syria (ancient Aramea), Phoenicia (modern Lebanon), southern and eastern Asia Minor (modern Turkey)..”

          27. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            You’ve had enough of it and try to invert or distort it because the fact that it has such a bad history prevents you from spreading your hateful, bigoted, racist crap.

          28. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            You’re putting words into my mouth. I never said that Jews cannot be ignorant or racist. Many are too. There are many self-haters. Many of which are used as token Jews by non-Jews who wish to bash the Jews as a group.

          29. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            We are not responsable for anti-Semitism in Europe or the Nazi or Bolshevics

          30. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            You personally are certainly a part of it. Antisemitism is far, far worse in the Middle East now than it has ever been at any time in history and that is saying something. Also, Iraq had a pro-Nazi coup. Also, the Palestinian Arab leadership was allied with the Nazis and lobbied against letting any Jews leave Europe.

          31. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Bolsheviks were Jews, read again

          32. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            To ignore everything I said isn’t an argument. Love your original (deleted) bird brained comment that ‘Bolsheviks were
            Jews!’ btw. Real hallmark of a Nazi level Antisemite. Like Hitler who
            saw prominence of Jews in certain professions and claimed they were
            ‘dominated’ by Jews in some conspiracy.

          33. are you saying that a nation of a hundred million was controlled by 20 Jews? What does that say about Russians? What does it say about Jews?

          34. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            “While the Bolshevik leaders clamped down on Jewish separatism their fight against anti-Semitism gained them wide support among the Jewish masses.
            Jewish youth enthusiastically joined the Red Army (founded by a Jew, Leon Trotsky).
            In 1926, Jews made up 4.4% of the officers in the Red Army (more than twice their ratio in the general population). Jewish elites also took part in the administrative rebuilding of the country.
            The Bolsheviks also set up a special “Jewish section” in government in response to the fact that millions of Jews were attached to the Jewish religion and Hebrew language (at least as a language of prayer and Judaism).”

          35. So 4% controlled Russia? Still, says either the Jews are super human or the Russians (implying that none of them were commies but just under the Jews’ sway) are morons. Which is it?

          36. 5thDrawer Avatar

            They were all morons compared to ‘today’ … education of the MASS of population of ‘peasants’ had been largely denied in a ‘religious feudal society’ – even the royalty of England had had problems persuading Cousin Tsar that general education helped keep them happy, as the world cranked a machine age. Much of Russian was still in the ‘dark ages’. …… Today one can see youthful moronic crowds who walk north out of a dark-age environment, and ramble on the freeways thinking they are invincible. It slows the trucking business … and the only reason for that is that Europeans have come out of an age of just running anything over if it’s in the paths reserved for trucking.
            (This may revert soon, in some cases, however.)
            https://youtu.be/U4rZqCYEA7g

          37. Ok, so your answer is “The Russians were ignoramuses being controlled by the educated Jews.”
            Got it.

          38. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yah, sure … absolutely … after ridding themselves of a Tsar, and the ‘Upper Crust’ who mostly spoke French – and their educated upper-middle class. You have noted the purging. And even Lenin’s plans for people being Socialized were perverted into Communism and a ‘Party of 300’ which basically carries on today. Lenin survived being shot, but lost heart because the mess had gone way out of any control.
            ‘Mass-Think’ is more easily applied to those who know they are the bottom of a social strata, and simply wish to be fed regularly.
            Tell them they now ‘own’ the land that has been taken from ‘The Old Tops’, but for ‘the sake of all’ collectively, they should still hand over most of the food to The Tops, since it’s a Glorious New Beginning for Mother Country. At least the farmers already knew how to farm there, unlike the people who ‘took over’ in Rhodesia … but that’s Modern History, isn’t it? Starvation in Russia only happened when ‘Mother Country’ needed all the food for WAR EFFORTS … and ‘The People’ survived because they had been allowed a garden plot to work in after a day in the ‘Common Fields’ – While the commissars shuffled the majority to secret sales ventures and Army Kitchens. Numbers on the Charts can be tuned.
            And the Great Parade of War Equipment strangely has the serfs cheering with ‘pride’ that ‘they’ needed it, before they go back to the empty kitchen .. or stand for hours in a line to see if something is actually for sale today, which they might be able to afford.
            Bureaucracy gives no answers before, since secrets must be kept.
            That ‘Collectivization’ scheme has worked wonders, hasn’t it? 😉 ‘Belief’.
            ‘Don’t be an individual – Be Only for an ‘Ideal’ slightly bent to ‘conform’ to what some ‘smarter few’ have deemed what works best for their personal individuality.’
            When Churchill noted that Democracy was imperfect but was the best humans have come up with, he was right … and when he stated it was also the most difficult to maintain, he was right … and when ‘his country’ needed his individuality he was utilized … and when he wasn’t needed any more he was replaced by a different individual … and he didn’t begin a war over the event because he believed in the system which works.
            SOME OTHERS JUST HATE THAT, and all the free speeches which came along with it.
            The serfs can rarely understand everything being ‘done’ … but they know when food is on the table, and why it is there. Something to actually be proud of, at least.

          39. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            ??? “4.4% of the officers in the Red Army (more than twice their ratio in the general population).
            Which is it, are you’re illiterate? Red Army was founded by a Jewish Commie

          40. Rudy1947 Avatar

            You sound like a Protocols fan.

          41. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Or at least a fan of correct quotes.

          42. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You sound like Fan Fan la Tulipe!

          43. Again, twice their ratio. You are saying that since 4 percent of the Reds’ officer corps was Jews, the Jews controlled the Revolution. This despite the enormous persecution of Jews and Jewish institutions by the Bolsheviks. And if a Jew founded something, did tens of millions follow out of fear, stupidity or Jewish mind control?
            What is with you people? You think that the Jews controlled the massive Russian Revolution because a massive 4 percent (twice their population!) were officers and many were senior!
            My family served in the White army in that Revolution. We were a family of professional soldiers. Jews were on both sides, mate. And no Jews were allowed to advance beyond junior officer in the Whites. Must be the reason they lost!

          44. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            That’s disproportionate but not dominance. Plus you’re saying that the Jews were all working together against everyone else, because you’re a Nazi.

          45. The Jewish Reds outlawed Judaism, shut down synagogues, kosher food operations, Jewish schools of all kinds, deported hundreds of thousands and murdered untold thousands of Jews (including every rabbi and teacher they could get their hands on). The Sunnis and Shiites of today had nothing on the tiny group of Red Jews who waged war on their own people. Many of them found themselves on the wrong end of the executioners’ noose within a decade of their crimes and good riddance. By the 1930s purges, most Jewish Red leaders were dead (except secret police head Beria, who was executed when his idol Stalin died in 1953).
            So yeah, that is like ignoring the fact that the Muslims in Syria (or 25 other countries) are being slaughtered by fellow Muslims. Nice.

          46. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            You’re mixing the Russian white with the Jewish reds. Stalin Nice.. and here we are back to the Moslems in Syria “or 25 other countries are being slaughtered by fellow Moslem”.
            Quoting you I’m going to sleep.

          47. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            “Jewish separatism’??? Where are you getting this rubbish?? Stalin flip flopped and persecuted the Jews and tried to create an area to send them to in Siberia.

          48. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Nothing ‘inhuman’, but it shows that the ‘visions’ of a few can be planted well by propagandists in a suffering tribe, and a small Cadre of ‘fellows’ can turn a Hitler thought into Crystal Nights – especially when it’s propaganda aiming at the uneducated ‘YOUTH’ who always feel the oppression most, and always want ‘more’, and always react violently.

          49. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            This is a created disaster, i have a bad feeling, empty the Middle East, Israel need to grab more land.

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          50. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I thought they could tuck them all into the original space … but seems both of the neighbours there don’t use condoms. That’s the lines touted in London by Muslims … and now in the adverts for Jews too?? ‘We will overgrow you.’
            Sounds like bad weeds ….

            I never met an Aliyah I wouldn’t make, but I’d sure wear a condom for the event. ;-))

          51. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Nobody knows were the hell were going.

            “By the Rt. Hon. Winston S. Churchill.
            In 1920, Churchill wrote a long newspaper article of the recent Bolshevik seizure of Russia. First he praised what he called the “national Jews” of Russia:

            SOME people like Jews and some do not; but no thoughtful man can doubt the fact that they are beyond all question the most formidable and the most remarkable race which has ever appeared in the world.

            And it may well be that this same astounding race may at the present time be in the actual process of producing another system of morals and philosophy, as malevolent as Christianity was benevolent, which, if not arrested would shatter irretrievably all that Christianity has rendered possible. It would almost seem as if the gospel of Christ and the gospel of Antichrist were destined to originate among the same people; and that this mystic and mysterious race had been chosen for the supreme manifestations, both of the divine and the diabolical.(…)”

          52. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Figure they hate Church of England for democracy too. ;-(

          53. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            “I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.” – Nathan Rothschild”.

          54. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I think Mikati took that line to heart …. he invests MUCH more in England than in Tripoli.

          55. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            and all the Emirates

          56. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Israel doesn’t need any more land. There’s plenty for those who wish to come. There’s only 13 million Israelites in the world and not everyone will come.

          57. Hitler had more than 4% of Germany on his side in 1938, mate….

          58. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Only after he started making deals (especially in the west) to feed them …

          59. To do that, she would have to kill herself. Not that I have anything to say against such an outcome.

          60. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Thank you for the death wish. Zionism is a mental disease

          61. As English is not your strong point (in case you have any), I suggest you check the meaning of “death wish”. In fact, I’m totally agnostic about your life or death. As I hope you are about mine. 🙂

          62. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Your suggestions mean nothing to me.

          63. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Says the obsessive Antisemite.

          64. She (it?) is first and foremost a borderline clinical idiot. I wouldn’t call her a Nazi, as it would inflate her non-existent powers. At least the Nazis built good roads.

          65. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Clinical idiot plat de resistance; meddling and insulting free speech on a Lebanese community site..

            (Genesis 25:9)
            “And his sons Isaac and Ishmael buried him in the cave of Machpelah, in the field of Ephron the son of Zohar the Hittite, which is before Mamre;”

          66. 5thDrawer Avatar

            (someone else’s cave, in someone else’s field …. too weird. :-)))
            (couldn’t afford their own plot??)

          67. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Abraham purchased the cave from the “Hittites the people of the land”.
            Hittites were in Anatolia not Canaan.
            The Ancient Testament was written by the Jews for the Jews, if you are interested..http://biblehub.com/genesis/17-17.htm
            Abraham wife Sarah got pregnant at age 90, while he was 100 old and died at 175.

          68. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Astoundingly better genes than everyone, except Methuselah. Wow. 😉
            (I’m not interested .. as my Grandmother used to say: ‘I wouldn’t believe it if you proved it to me.)

          69. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            These time lines give headaches.. so your Grandmother was right :))

          70. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The Hittites were one of the tribes living here. They were more
            concentrated in Anatolia though. Hebrew is a Canaanitic language too.
            Archaeological evidence indicates that Israelites actually came from the
            Canaanite tribes..

          71. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            “Canaan was of significant geopolitical importance in the Late Bronze Age Amarna period as the area where the spheres of interest of the Egyptian, Hittite, and Assyrian Empires converged. Much of the modern knowledge about Canaan stems from archaeological excavation in this area at sites such as Tel Hazor, Tel Megiddo, and Gezer. Canaanite culture apparently developed in situ from the Circum-Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex, which in turn developed from a fusion of Near Eastern Harifian hunter-gatherers with Pre-Pottery Neolithic B (PPNB) farming cultures, practicing animal domestication, during the 6200 BC climatic crisis.[6] The Late Bronze Age state of Ugarit (at Ras Shamra in Syria) is considered quintessentially Canaanite archaeologically,[7”

          72. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The Hittites were one of the tribes living here. They were more
            concentrated in Anatolia though. Hebrew is a Canaanitic language too.
            Archaeological evidence indicates that Israelites actually came from the
            Canaanite tribes….

          73. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            “The term Canaanites is by far the most frequently used ethnic term in the Bible,[1] in which they are commonly described as a people who had been annihilated by the Israelites.[2]” Wikipedia

          74. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Actually the Bible says that they assimilated into Israel. Archaeology shows that Israel came from them and Hebrew is a Canaanitic language or essentially, the same language.

          75. Ah yes the Bible …

            The one where seventy Jewish scribes cunningly distorted the translation of the Hebrew Book to Greek … known as the Septuagint Bible.

            https://ashraf62.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/ancient-egypt-had-no-pharaohs-2/

          76. 5thDrawer Avatar

            ….. but read the comments ….

          77. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Ah a wordpress blog. That looks like a reliable piece of evidence from a
            professor at a good university…..or not. Either way, I wasn’t talking
            about the bible, I was talking about the archaeological and linguistic
            evidence. But hey, well done for not resisting an opportunity to display
            your attempts at replacement theology.

          78. Do you prefer this or will you refute/negate it?

            “The reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. Yes, there’s the story contained within the bible itself, but that’s not a remotely historically admissible source. I’m talking about real proof; archeological evidence, state records and primary sources. Of these, nothing exists.

            It is hard to believe that 600,000 families (which would mean about two million people) crossed the entire Sinai without leaving one shard of pottery (the archeologist’s best friend) with Hebrew writing on it. It is remarkable that Egyptian records make no mention of the sudden migration of what would have been nearly a quarter of their population, nor has any evidence been found for any of the expected effects of such an exodus; such as economic downturn or labor shortages. Furthermore, there is no evidence in Israel that shows a sudden influx of people from another culture at that time. No rapid departure from traditional pottery has been seen, no record or story of a surge in population.”

            http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/the-jewish-thinker/were-jews-ever-really-slaves-in-egypt-or-is-passover-a-myth-1.420844

          79. 5thDrawer Avatar

            So … The Great but rather boring history of Demographic Changes of humanity needed a ‘booster’ story with some excitement in it, but which could be plausible to blend into the previous myths and fairly-tales. Makes sense. 😉

          80. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Agreed. I tend to think that there were various disgruntled groups in Canaan during the era of the city states. Some were local and some not. They banded together and took elements of each other’s legends. They all became legendary stories and were compiled when the bible was written. We do know though that there was a period when a group of Semitic speaking nomads ruled Egypt and there was another Semitic underclass at that time. The Egyptians later took their country back. The groups may have been Amorites or Medianites but essentially, they were Canaanitic speaking. Some stories get exaggerated and some get merged into national legend. The disgruntled groups took over the country, overthrowing the small states and consolidated into a larger state. This took several hundred years (the Judges period).

          81. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Don’t the bottoms of society always feel they are the slaves of the ‘upper crust’? 😉

          82. Hind Abyad Avatar

            As now??:))

          83. No the reliable source is the BBC and sisters.

          84. Hannibal Avatar

            That was in moon years… Nobody lives that long not even today 😉

          85. Hannibal Avatar

            lol

          86. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The Hittites were one of the tribes living here. They were more concentrated in Anatolia though. Hebrew is a Canaanitic language too. Archaeological evidence indicates that Israelites actually came from the Canaanite tribes.

          87. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Zionist hypocrite troll

            “Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that they may not teach you to do according to all their detestable things which they have done for their gods, so that you would sin against the Lord your God”(Deuteronomy 20:16–18, NASB).1

          88. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Favourite lines of the preacher in Homer Simpson’s Wife’s Church. ;-)))

          89. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Connais pas..:(

          90. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes Indeed. Very logical. “And bombs, whether they come from above or below, are the enemy of the gray zone.” Finding a ‘Middle Ground’ of acceptance, of both what is ‘good’ and what is not, has been the quest of humanity for a ‘way of peace’. Period.
            ‘We’ did it by deciding that we would adhere to a democratic forum, hoping that everyone would go along with that, and that it would allow changes over time for more freedoms. Obviously some radical elements pop up from time to time to make noise on a street and disrupt traffic flow … which is fine until they begin to destroy the infrastructure of a whole society … which is when a ‘secular’ law must take over for the good of the ‘All’.
            Religious Decrees from the unelected don’t allow it.

          91. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            I don’t see what your quote has to do with the fact that Hebrew is a Canaanitic language, you obsessed Nazi troll.

          92. Hind Abyad Avatar

            You come back to repeat same things.

          93. Hind Abyad Avatar

            “Canaan, area variously defined in historical and biblical literature, but always centred on Palestine. Its original pre-Israelite inhabitants were called Canaanites. The names Canaan and Canaanite occur in cuneiform, Egyptian, and Phoenician writings from about the 15th century bc as well as in the Old Testament. In these sources, “Canaan” refers sometimes to an area encompassing all of Palestine and Syria, sometimes only to the land west of the Jordan River, and sometimes just to a strip of coastal land from Acre (ʿAkko) northward.

            The Israelites occupied and conquered Palestine, or Canaan, beginning in the late 2nd millennium bc, or perhaps earlier; and the Bible justifies such occupation by identifying Canaan with the Promised Land, the land promised to the Israelites by God.”
            British Encyclopedia.

          94. Hind, all countries are created from conquered lands. Get over it already. Palestinians are no different and less important.
            Most Arab countries have already moved on, and only the mullah kings in Iran still use Palestinians as an excuse for their colonial aspirations.
            Which Palestinians exactly do you blindly support? Hamas, or the PA? You do know they are also trying to kill each other in the meantime… Palestinians seem to not get along with anyone not even themselves, and then add a crazy suicidal religion on top of that.
            They will never get their shit together.

          95. Hind Abyad Avatar

            I’m concerned by WWIII your crazy suicidal Christian Zionists wan’t to impose on the people.

            “Alfred M. Lilienthal

            Fifty years have come and gone since the first publication of What Price Israel? in 1953. I was 39 then, and now I am 89. The long sad story over this half-century has been one of conflict, aggression, terror, war, occupation, resistance, and so-called peace processes guaranteed to fail over and over again. I have seen it all, and yet I have hoped that somehow I would live long enough to finally see a just peace and true independence for the Palestinian Arab people.

            As an eyewitness to those past events, it is remarkable to me that the same kind of bribes and threats were being used to browbeat the United Nations delegations to vote for partition as have recently been shamelessly used to try to force U.N. members to support the American-Israeli war on Iraq.

            I cannot help but feel that it is ever more urgent to answer the concerns of many Americans preoccupied with Mideast terrorism, which is referred to constantly in our U.S. media as a characteristic of Palestinian crimes only, while vicious Israeli crimes against Palestinians are dismissed as self-defense measures. In actuality, neither side Israelis nor Palestinians has come into court of world opinion with clean hands. If the Palestinians have been guilty of terrorism, and they have, let us not forget who first introduced this disease into the region. It was the likes of Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, and Ariel Sharon, who later became Prime Ministers of Israel, and yet all had a long list of atrocities to answer to of their own.”

            “In the Summer of 2003, we have seen great shock and sorrow expressed about very angry and seemingly “anti-Semitic remarks in a 1947 diary of then President Harry Truman that had remained dust-covered and unread for over half a century until the Truman Library found it and released it to the public.

            In a July 21, 2003 article, “Truman did it to save his own skin, in the Jewish World Review, Sidney Zion laments with considerable rage that now the truth is out, and it shows that White House aide Clark Clifford told Truman he would lose the 1948 election unless he immediately recognized the Jewish state. Why the huge surprise that Truman much acclaimed love and concern for the Jews has turned out to be a bitterly disappointing fable!

            The American champion of the founding of Israel made his pro-Zionist decisions far less due to his Bible upbringing or humanitarian motives than because of his political concerns to have both the Jewish vote and campaign money from wealthy Jews. Readers of the original What Price Israel? have known this for 30 or 40 or 50 years since they first read it. The truth was known then but was denied and covered up to make the existence of the new “Jewish state appear to be the outcome of both a religious and humanitarian miracle.

            This writer believes that, had it not been for misguided anti-Arab race hatred promoted by Christian Zionist leaders in America, neither the Gulf War nor the Israeli war against the Palestinians would have occurred, and a million or more people who have perished would be alive today.

            Even our greatly controlled media pundits are becoming alarmed at the world chaos being created by the neo-conservatives who have so heavily influenced Bush’s perpetual war on terror. Ironically many of the founders of this neo-conservative dynasty were at one time the same Trotskyists and other Marxists that I personally opposed back in the 1930s.

            At the 1936 World Youth Congress, I led the walkout against these Communist elements. How ironic to see these same shady characters later reinvent themselves dramatically into a new brand of conservatives and gain considerable influence during the Reagan presidency. They may have changed their name and hijacked true conservatism, but their agenda is the same as when the elders among them were Marxists.

            Control is the name of their game no matter what side they are playing on. Unfortunately many of these “neo-cons are Jewish, and from this fact has indeed derived an outburst of suspicion and resentment toward Jews in general that could lead to very damaging anti-Semitism that would not otherwise exist.

            However, I would like to stress to any Americans who may be outraged by the conduct of the Kristols, Perle, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Feith, and other extremist neo-con Zionists that many of the rest of us Jews are not guilty of their offenses.

            All Jews are not Zionists, and all Zionists are not Jews. Starting with Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft plus many in Congress such as Tom DeLay we have a long list of Christian Zionists presently running our country, who may envision an eventual Middle East catastrophe based on an interpretation of prophesy that Jews must move in mass to Israel so that Armageddon can occur and Christ return.

            The catch is that all those millions of Jews are to either be converted or slaughtered in this coming bloodbath. Just as the neo-conservatives have hijacked true conservatism, the Christian Zionists have distorted the teachings of Christian evangelicalism to create their own guaranteed self-fulfilling prophesy leading to an earthly hell and unspeakable destruction which would constitute the true final Holocaust of the Jews as a people and a religion!”

          96. Hind Abyad Avatar

            I’m concerned about WWIII ..
            Ground offensives usually lead to wars becoming permanent”.

          97. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            I meant in terms of her Antisemitism only. Perhaps also her mustache.

          98. Very unfortunate…sorry for you, but you come to a Levant site and you expect to find zionist supporters except for the zionists, then you are very very wrong and a very very wishful thinker.

          99. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Well there have been a fair few Lebanese supporting Israel. Syriacs (35% or so of the population of Lebanon) have a similar predicament historically. Nevertheless, I don’t expect that, I expect that some people won’t be racist garbage.

          100. Lebanese Syriacs? Okay you mean Maronite. Well then they have to absorb the Palestinians displaced from their neighbour country and give them full rights and citizenship, then they can support whatever they want.

          101. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Maronites, Jacobites, Syriac Catholics, Nestorians, Chaldeans, Melkite Antiochian Orthodox and Melkite Catholics are all Syriac. Yes the Palestinian issue is a problem. When their leadership grows up and accepts a country that will absorb them, next to Israel , that problem will hopefully be solved.

          102. Hannibal Avatar

            If more people think like you in Israel may be we can come to resolve this problem and take the “excuse carpet” from under the feet of the warmongers and see some peace in our life time.
            Political Islam is the religion of pieces 🙂

          103. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The problem is a lack of consensus but the majority of people here would like to just have it over with. They don’t want to rule the Arab-Palestinians of the West Bank and would like to stop the current fucked up situation for the sake of full democratic legitimacy among other things. It’s not so easy though, it’s rather a cache 22 and the rules of the game are far from fair. Furthermore, the other side would rather go on a hunger strike until they achieve 100% victory.

          104. 5thDrawer Avatar

            ‘Catch 22’ …. (book of same name – became a philosophy of human idiocy)
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_(logic)

          105. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Thank you for the correction.

          106. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            “The only way to reconcile the Old Testament accounts with this view is to regard the Old Testament as simply Israel’s record of their perception of their unfolding relationship with Yahweh. The Old Testament is reduced to being a human account of the evolution of monotheistic religion rather than a divine revelation of God’s actions in history.”

          107. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Agreed.

          108. STFU ebn sharmoouta

          109. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Right back at ya.

          110. 5thDrawer Avatar

            “accepts a country that will absorb them” …. Westbankia ??

          111. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            No.. Westbankia is reserved

          112. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Damn …. someone grabbed that for a ‘site address’ too??

          113. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            When they accept a country (to be called Palestine), next to Israel, which will consist of Gaza, most of the West Bank and possibly, probably, ultimately Jordan too.

          114. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

          115. Hannibal Avatar

            In your dreams… Palestinians will go back to Palestine and Jordan. Syrians will go back to Syria and Lebanon is for the Lebanese. The Maronites of Lebanon support Lebanon much like the Maronites of Cyprus support Cyprus and the Maronite of Syria support Syria.

          116. Palestinians are Levant like you same race. Don’t link Palestinians to Jordan. The ones in Jordan are refugees the same as the ones in Lebanon and Syria, you idiot. And if you want to be a traitor to the Levant and make peace deal with Israshyte then you want to recognize Palestinians rights who took asylum in your country as a result of displacment by the illegal occupiers of Great Palestine. Got it sharmoouta?

          117. Hannibal Avatar

            Such a nice guy… Have you seen a shrink for your anger issues? Great Palestine? What’s left of it? and just an fyi emm@k el sh@rmoota but I do not have to tell you because you already knew it because she produced a head like you. Have you really looked at your avatar recently?

          118. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Jordan was created from Palestine for a family from the Hijaz because the Brits didn’t want them to carry on towards Syria and make trouble there. Close to 90% of the population of Jordan are Palestinian.

          119. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            In Israel, Maronites are classified as ethnic Arameans and not Lebanese (together with smaller Aramaic-speaking Christian populations of Syriac Orthodox and Greek Catholics).

          120. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            The only correct thing I’ve seen her ever write.

          121. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            ..and the Maronites of Palestine.

          122. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            There are a lot more in Israel than in the territories of undetermined permanent status.

          123. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I think Golyat reply to Adam B.Y. is sarcasm:)

          124. You are such a maronite rat who thinks sects and churches! Have you read anything about science refute religion? They will tell you that you are an Arab ebn Arab no matter what faith you claim.

          125. Hannibal Avatar

            You’re the Arab and the Jarab as you look it… I tested my DNA haplotype. It is European and “la ghouraaba” blue eyed and fair hair and white metel rghiif el khebez (of course not the asmar) ;P

          126. You still look Arab to White race people. I can show you many Arabs with coloured eyes and lighter or dark skin. This does not make you European. You are Arabic speaking Lebanese Arabi ben Arabi.

          127. Hannibal Avatar

            your opinion does not matter to me…
            So please refrain from addressing me as I am not interested.

          128. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Ethnicity and biology aren’t one and the same. In any case, science would show that most Lebanese biologically descend from the pre-Arab inhabitants of the area.

          129. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            To Jordan/Palestine. Jordan should be Palestinian and the West Bank should be divided between Israel and Palestine. Palestinians should be able to move to Palestine. Maronites and all Syriacs should be welcome to stay in or move to Israel IMO

          130. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            By Syriacs (Arameans) I mean Maronites, Jacobites (Syriac Orthodox), Syriac Catholics, Nestorians, Chaldeans, Melkite Antiochian Orthodox and Melkite Catholics, as well as those few Muslims in villages around Damascus who still speak Aramaic.

          131. Now you are going insane, confusing religion/faith with ethnicity which are two different things.
            Lebanese Maronites, Orthodox, Syrian Catholic, or Orthodox, Jordanian Orthodox, Palestinians Catholic Orthodox…are all Arabs ben Arabs of Christian faith. Shove this fact up yours, suck it up.

          132. What’s “collective” Jew?

            The bunch of Khazarian thieves who adopted Judaism or the true, original Jews who were Arabs?

          133. Rudy1947 Avatar

            Was the adoption of Judaism before or after Islam?

          134. Why do you keep asking questions to which you know the answers to?

          135. Rudy1947 Avatar

            Just seeing if you know the answer. Your comment made little sense.

          136. It makes only “little sense” when you don’t know the real history.

          137. Rudy1947 Avatar

            Or the history that some Jew haters thought up. BTW, it’s 2016, try and catch up.

          138. All evidence-based but hey, why let facts get in the way of a good story, right?

            Stop swallowing so docilely.

          139. Rudy1947 Avatar

            Apply to the 21st Century.

          140. How convenient.

          141. Rudy1947 Avatar

            Does your comment mean you can’t apply your comment about Jews being Arabs to anything significant in the 21st Century?

          142. Are you playing dumb again or do you really not know?

          143. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            You’re a BIGOT and a RACIST. Ethnicity isn’t solely defined by blood firstly. Secondly, a proportion of Jews are non-Ashenazi. Thirdly, ALL genetic tests on Ashkenazim show that our male line is Middle Eastern and that we have pretty much no Turkic blood.

          144. 1. Less than 10% of Jews currently in IsraHell are from there. The rest are tourist who settled there. Don’t be stupid.

            2. The vast majority of Jews on earth are Ashkenazi. 90%+ that is.

            3. “ALL genetic tests”? Show me the tests.

          145. 5thDrawer Avatar

            What you want are the tests done on them in 1500, or even in 500 .. 😉

          146. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Netanyahu needs conflicts to justify Israel’s activities…
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-PxX2cUqSE

          147. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Good bit … but again, a democratic concept.

          148. Hind Abyad Avatar

            ..democracy concept useless.

          149. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            I’m at work but I will post you some tests later. ALL tests (Ashkenazim are the most tested group on earth) show a Middle Eastern male line at about 88% and a female line that is no more than 40%. The female line is mostly northern Italian. 80% of World Jewry is Ashkenazi at this point in time. About 50% of the Jews in Israel are Ashkenazi. Nevertheless, all Jews and Samaritans are of Israeli heritage. I like the way you pulled 10% out of your arse. You really don’t know about these things and they are only fed by your prejudice.

          150. Do revise the human genome as a whole while you’re at it. The Jewish gene is a fallacy, a Zionist invention. But sure, do show me the tests. I am curious.

          151. Arabs also invented time travel. And coke (the drink, not the drug, that’s the Colombians). Every decent person knows that.

          152. Jewish Arabs or Muslim Arabs?

            You seem to speak of experience: time travel after a line of coke, that is.

          153. Yep, I am a man of the world, buddy. As to “Jewish Arabs”, they only exist in befuddled dreams of those who can’t even afford a line.

          154. You can deny it as hard and as much as you want but facts are facts “buddy” …

            You and the rest of your ilk might think that you were sent on Earth from another Galaxy (to echo your time travel experience after a line of coke) but Judaism originated in Mizraim, North Yemen (as in the Arabian Peninsula). The first/original Jews were Arabs – Semites – so was/is anyone from the region. The spread of Islam has nothing to do with the “Arab” terminology. (I didn’t think that needed clarification). The ones who came from Europe, Eastern Europe and the rest of the world to IsraHell are not Semites (over 90% of them). They are descendants of Khazars (who adopted Judaism in 700-800AD).

          155. So many words wasted on someone who cares so little, mate… You seem to have real time management issues.

          156. You’re only kidding yourself when you write “someone who cares so little” … and don’t you know it.

          157. I’m not kidding anyone, buddy. Just mildly trolling you during my coffee break.
            And actually “cares so little” means “cares so little about your opinion”. Don’t take it personally, though – you are simply too unoriginally typical of the group you represent.

          158. I never said you’re kidding anyone – only yourself.

            What you meant didn’t need clarification. Brushing it off, now, as “trolling” is laughable.

            As for being unoriginal, I take it that most are not factual and thus “original”.

          159. Yawn. Stop taking yourself – or your inane comments – so seriously, mate. Believe me, neither you nor they deserve it.

          160. Yes, of course, why let facts get in the way of a good story (the “Jewish” lies) – “mate”.

            On a more “serious” note …

            Your boss must be proud of you. You continue working (trolling) even during your, rather long, “coffee break”. Which hasbara trolling center are you from?

          161. “Which hasbara trolling center are you from?”
            If I told you, I’d have to kill you. And although you are quite annoyingly stupid even by your brethren’s abysmally low standards – that’s not an outcome to be desired.

          162. It must be “coffee break” for you Mordecai Bond.

            Take a minute to deflate your ego – it’s the size of Uranus (the planet of coure).

          163. You actually got me wondering: when was the first time I heard the “Uranus” joke? I guess it was somewhere between the 3rd and the 5th grade. In any case, I’m pretty sure that the last time I heard it was also from you. What’s your deal, buddy? You got family there?

          164. Hind Abyad Avatar

            ..so you evolved int stand up comic

          165. Yawnnn …

          166. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            No matter how many times you spread this racist, ignorant, barbaric and backwards tripe, science has proven you wrong. The Khazars converted to Islam afterward and only a small portion of them ever converted to the religion of the people of Israel. The theory that any large number of Jews come from them is widely known to be a racist accusation against Jews.

          167. Hind Abyad Avatar

            You invented racism

          168. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Your mama invented racism.

          169. Even if that was true, it still does not change anything to the fact that the majority of the people currently in IsraHell are not from there.

          170. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Jews have an ethnic connection with the place. Our ethnicity is from here and we descend from here. The large number of Arab Palestinians aren’t from here either.

            Wikipedia has a lot of info on Jewish genetics and many links to the core studies:-
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_of_Jewish_origins

            Because of the sheer number of idiots pushing the Khazar libel, someone has a site called Khazaria.com specifically to deal with this shit.:-
            http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/aj-east-asian-admixture.html

            Here’s another article:-
            http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/40956/title/Jewish-Heritage-Written-in-DNA/

            And another:-
            http://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2013/12/20/new-genetic-study-more-evidence-for-modern-ashkenazi-jews-ancient-hebrew-patrimony/

            Ashkenazi Jews have a Y chromosome that is mostly Middle Eastern and matches Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews’ Y chromosome more than anyone else’s.

            The fact that you and so many other haters have to pull that discredited argument out and/or just deny this component of our heritage, portrays what little confidence you have in any other arguments. It also shows that you would essentially think you’re wrong if you were not to deny the actual evidence. But in any case, as I said, ethnicity and biology aren’t one and the same thing.

          171. – You need to do better than Wikipedia – seriously.

            – Sephardic Jews are from Spain/Portugal – thousands of miles away from the Middle East.

            – Why were/are there so many Jews in Europe/Eastern Europe?

            – Never said there were no Jews from the Middle Eat. I actually told you many times: the first/original Jews were from Mizraim, North Yemen today – the Arabian Peninsula. North Yemen IS NOT present day Palestine.

            – The whole entitlement of Jews to present-day Palestine comes from a religious fallacy. A story told in the Old Testament, the Bible, etc. We’re told that Jews were enslaved in Egypt and Moses freed them from the Pharaon in passing them from Egypt through the Red Sea to Palestine (the Promised Land). The truth of the matter (backed up by physical/forensic evidence) is that Jews were never slaves in Egypt, that never was an exodus and that they never stepped foot in present-day Palestine. The real story was cunningly distorted by the seventy Jewish scribes when they translated the Hebrew Book to the Greek language (Septuagint Bible) – replacing Mizraim with Egypt, their exodus in Northern Yemen to Egypt -> present-day Palestine. Do you see where I am getting at with this?

            – According to Judaism, Jews cannot return to their Promised Land (no mention that it’s present-day Palestine by the way). I sent you this link before (written by Torah Jews) but you conveniently ignored it: http://www.truetorahjews.org/mission

          172. – Wikipedia – seriously?

            – The articles you linked to show one thing: that Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews share a chromosome that originates from the Middle East – so what? That means absolutely nothing – and certainly not that Jews are a distinct race. There are plenty of studies that contradict everything you believe in – that there is no such thing as a Jewish race and that the Jewish people from various region (Spain/Portugal for Sephardic, Ashkenazi for Europe/EasternEurope/Russia) are a mixture of different people:

            https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130116195333.htm

            http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/.premium-1.551825

            http://www.livescience.com/40247-ashkenazi-jews-have-european-genes.html

            – Never said there were no Jews from the Middle Eat. I actually told you many times: the first/original Jews were from Mizraim, North Yemen today – the Arabian Peninsula. North Yemen IS NOT present day Palestine.

            – The whole entitlement of Jews to present-day Palestine comes from a religious fallacy. A story told in the Old Testament, the Bible, etc. We’re told that Jews were enslaved in Egypt and Moses freed them from the Pharaon in passing them from Egypt through the Red Sea to Palestine (the Promised Land). The truth of the matter (backed up by physical/forensic evidence) is that Jews were never slaves in Egypt, that never was an exodus and that they never stepped foot in present-day Palestine. The real story was cunningly distorted by the seventy Jewish scribes when they translated the Hebrew Book to the Greek language (Septuagint Bible) – replacing Mizraim with Egypt, their exodus in Northern Yemen to Egypt -> present-day Palestine. Do you see where I am getting at with this?

            – According to Judaism, Jews cannot return to their Promised Land (no mention that it’s present-day Palestine by the way). I sent you this link before (written by Torah Jews) but you conveniently ignored it: http://www.truetorahjews.org/mission

          173. “Racist”, “Nassi”, “Anti-semite”, …all words coming from mouth suffering inferior complex???

          174. Pearls before swine, mate, pearls before swine.

          175. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            Jews weren’t Arabs. Arabs became a nation in the 7th century when Muhammad consolidated them into a people and Arabic wasn’t a language that was spoken outside of the Nejd before that period.

          176. If the first Jews (from Northern Yemen) were not Arabs then what were they?

          177. The true/first/orignal Hebrews were Arabs. Love it or not.

          178. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            In terms of economic development and standard of living, better than many countries that already exist. In terms of education, barbaric and hateful.

          179. 5thDrawer Avatar

            You mean ‘better than refugee camps that already exist’ … although the ones in Jordan seem nice too.

        2. Zionism is a political ideology. Thus, your accusation of “racism” has no foundation.

          Try again. Harder this time.

          1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            It depends. If I said that it’s a legitimate political ideology that you should be smashed on the head until you die, and gave that ideology a name, would that be legitimate? It really depends on why one is against Zionism. If one is against it for the reasons that you are (ie. by attacking the ethnic, historical and genetic origins of the Jewish ethnicity), then one is a racist sack of shit who belongs in the garbage.

          2. Use whatever rhetoric you want. Zionism is a political ideology. Judaism is a religion. They are not related. But don’t take my word for it, take the one of Torah Jews:

            http://www.truetorahjews.org/mission

            Prior to Zionism, Jews related to each other with Judaism. Now, it’s with a stolen piece of land. You and your people are being played like non-Jews by the same people on top. Hopefully, you live long enough to realize it.

            ps – no such thing as “genetic origins of the Jewish ethnicity”. The wording alone makes no sense.

          3. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            So you’re going to tell me about my people? You? A racist bigot? Actually, we don’t worship a Juda or have a prophet Juda. ‘Judaism’ means an ism pertaining to the Jews. The original meaning came from the Hasmonean era and meant Jewish national revivalism in contrast to Hellenism. The word Jewish means southern Israeli/Israelite. Judaism became a term to denote the ways of the south as opposed to Samaritanism, the religious ideas of the remnant in the Joseph tribal areas. It became superseded religiously when there was another schism, between Rabbanites and Karaites. The word Jewish became synonymous with Israelite and Hebrew even though Samartians are technically also those things and technically not Jewish. But Jewish is a term of ethno-national and not religious origin. The correct name for the religion is HaBrit (the Covenant) and specifically of most of it’s followers of the people Israel in our era, Rabbanites. I imagine that it doesn’t make sense if you don’t know what the word Jewish means and stick to your bigoted, incorrect definitions. An ethnicity can be based on many things. I tend to think that a group needs multiple elements to be an ethnicity. We don’t just have religion, we have genetics, we have script/alphabet, we have a language and even at its weakest time, all communities of Israelites used much vocabulary from it day to day. We have a shared concept of history. We have shared historical background from the same state. We have been considered a nation for thousands of years until very, very recently when some tried very hard to assimilate in Europe and now, that many in the Middle East who are bigots, find it convenient to deny our heritage as they are racist pieces of shit.

          4. You have the audacity to call others by racist when your filthy people is probably the most racist of them all? Interesting.

            I brought up Judaism vs ZIonism to point out at the fact that your people entitles themselves to the stolen land of Palestine as their “Promised Land” when they were never there to begin with. Not for a history lesson on Judaism. The current location of IsraHell was chosen by a group of people in England and Europe to serve their purpose in the Middle East. Nothing else.

            How is “The word Jewish means southern Israeli/Israelite.” of any relevance? Can you show me a map of IsraHell before 1948 – you can’t. You can find a map of Canaanites, Philistines and Gaza before Abraham though.

            The national identity (what you refer to as “ethnicity”) of Jews through the world was about and centered around Judaism (a religion) and two languages (Hebrew and Yiddish – defending on where they were/are from) and not an actual piece of land (Zionism). Jews who lived in Europe, Eastern Europe, South Africa, South America, etc had a national identity based on where they lived (Europe, Eastern Europe, South Africa, South America, etc). Israelis need a history, a national identity so they made one up. It remains a lie. Like it or not.

          5. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
            Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

            I’m calling YOU a racist and you’re judging me for my group and saying I am because of my group??? That’s priceless. And no, my group are not the most racist, we just (like most existing countries), believe in an ethno-cultural nation-state model.

          6. Priceless or not, look in the mirror before calling anyone racist.

            As for “we just (like most existing countries), believe in an ethno-cultural nation-state model.” – putting aside the fact that you shouldn’t entitle yourself to speak for others, do you really believe what you wrote? How can you and IsraHell believe in an “ethno-cultural nation-state model” when people from Europe came, stole lands, killed and have been oppressing the Palestinians for decades?

            Don’t you get it: IsraHell is not Jews’ Promised Land, it’s a geo-strategic piece of real estate for a small group of people in the UK/Europe and the USA.

    2. Didn’t you read the article. It kinda gives the perfectly reasonable explanation.

      1. Moron, I’m not talking to you.

        1. I couldn’t care less who you might be talking to. Even if it’s just the voices in your head.

  2. There is IS and there is copycat IS. This guy sounds like the latter.

  3. It’s amazing how some people depend on ancient history for their existence rather than their true national identity. Some people are psychologically sick about religion.

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