Saudi Arabia: Death toll from hajj pilgrimage stampede rises to 717, update

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A stampede killed 150 people and left 400 others wounded at the Hajj pilgrimage on Thursday

The latest developments from a stampede on the third day of the annual hajj pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi authorities say death toll from stampede at hajj pilgrimage rises to 717 and the number of injuries 863.

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Earlier it was reported that the stampede killed 150 people and left 400 others wounded at the Hajj pilgrimage on Thursday, Saudi Arabia officials said.

“We have a stampede accident in Mina and civil defense is dealing with it,” Interior Ministry spokesman Brig. Gen. Mansour al-Turki said.

The stampede occurred during the ritual known as “stoning the devil,” where crowds of pilgrims throw stones at a rock wall meant to symbolize a rejection of evil.

Mina is about 5 kilometers east of the holy city of Mecca.

Members of Saudi civil defense try to rescue pilgrims following a crush caused by large numbers of people pushing at Mina, outside the Muslim holy city of Mecca in this handout picture published on Twitter account of the Directorate of the Saudi Civil Defense September 24, 2015.  REUTERS/Directorate of the Saudi Civil Defense/Handout via Reuters
Members of Saudi civil defense try to rescue pilgrims following a crush caused by large numbers of people pushing at Mina, outside the Muslim holy city of Mecca in this handout picture published on Twitter account of the Directorate of the Saudi Civil Defense September 24, 2015. REUTERS/Directorate of the Saudi Civil Defense/Handout via Reuters

The Hajj is one of the most celebrated events in the Islamic calendar and one of the world’s largest public gatherings.

For most Muslims, it is the spiritual climax of their lives, with many saving for decades to make the journey.

More than 2 million Muslims from around the world are attending events over several days at the annual pilgrimage.

Known as the fifth pillar of Islam, the Hajj is an obligation upon every Muslim who has the financial means and the physical ability to perform it.

The pilgrimage, conducted over five days, includes detailed rituals such as wearing a special white garment that symbolizes human equality and unity before God; a circular procession around the Kaaba, Islam’s holiest shrine; and the symbolic stoning of evil.

Thursday was the third day of the Hajj.

It was also a tragic day for Muslims in Yemen on Thursday, where at least 29 people attending Eid prayers died when a bomb went off inside a crowded mosque in Sanaa.

Hajj-related incidents in Saudi Arabia
Every year, millions of Muslims converge on the Saudi holy cities of Mecca and Medina for the annual hajj pilgrimage, with the massive ceremonies representing a major security and logistical challenge for the kingdom’s authorities.
On occasion, the hajj and events surrounding it have been marred by accidents and tragedies, such as Thursday’s stampede near Mecca that killed at least 453 people.

2006: More than 360 pilgrims are killed in a stampede at the desert plain of Mina, near Mecca, where pilgrims carry out a symbolic stoning of the devil by throwing pebbles against three stone walls. The day before the hajj began, an eight-story building being used as a hostel near the Grand Mosque in Mecca collapsed, killing at least 73 people.

2001: A stampede at Mina during the final day of the pilgrimage ceremonies kills 35 hajj pilgrims.

1998: About 180 pilgrims are trampled to death in panic after several of them fell off an overpass during the final stoning ritual at Mina.

1997: At least 340 pilgrims are killed in a fire at the tent city of Mina as the blaze was aided by high winds. More than 1,500 were injured.

1994: Some 270 pilgrims are killed in a stampede during the stoning ritual at Mina.

1990: The worst hajj-related tragedy claims the lives of 1,426 pilgrims in a stampede in an overcrowded pedestrian tunnel leading to holy sites in Mecca.

Update: Lebanon’s Higher Islamic Shiite Council hajj delegation reported that no casualties were recorded among the Lebanese pilgrims.
Update: The death toll has risen to 717 pilgrims and 863 injuries
Update: Lebanon’s consul general in Jeddah announced that 3 Lebanese and a Palestinian refugee died of “natural causes” while performing the hajj pilgrimage.
VOL93.3 radio station reported that Lebanese pilgrim Abou Thaer Ayyoub of al-Beddawi was among those killed in the Mina incident while Sabah Qassem al-Zein, who hails from al-Bourj al-Shamali, died of a sudden heart attack

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175 responses to “Saudi Arabia: Death toll from hajj pilgrimage stampede rises to 717, update”

  1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
    Maborlz Ez-Hari

    hmmmmmmmmm, not my business. I will refrain from expressing my opinion on this one.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Yes Maborlz … stoning is not our culture … and rushing to get stoned doesn’t sound like fun.
      BUT, We mind the ‘sensitivities’ of others these days.

      1. Are you telling me you’ve never smoked a bit of marijuana and gotten stoned?
        Which makes stoning part of your culture

      2. ztoning debil gejas hahahah

      3. Hind Abyad Avatar

        Crucifying is not our culture.
        Does the Pope know a boy is about to be crucified by America’s “best “best friend”?

        https://www.oximity.com/article/Does-the-Pope-know-a-boy-is-about-to-b-1#.VgQV8w9ajek.twitter

        1. The Pope is in Philly this wkend. I’ll make sure he know when I meet him. My priest told me I have to confess to the Pope as he (my priest) couldn’t handle my sins.

          1. “My priest”

            What makes him your priest?
            The fact he molested you?

          2. Yes O are you jealous?

          3. Not at all, I’ve had my fair share of pedophile priests.

          4. Hind Abyad Avatar

            But not enough of ISIS pedophiles.

          5. But plenty of hezbo pedophiles, just like you you pedophile behind.

          6. man-o-war Avatar

            Haha, wtf does that mean? Is that where your rape fantasy comes from?

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar

            She probably is …. but your biggest sin is those ‘Poems Of Looney Aouny’ … and we haven’t seen ANY atonement yet. :-)))

      1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
        Maborlz Ez-Hari

        Makes you think….

      2. shitcum qomicum asswadicum nasticum behindicum dafticum wa anpee khara eeticum shikhara shikhara mehdicum

  2. WTF, I mean how can this be allowed to happen!

    1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
      Maborlz Ez-Hari

      Can’t help myself, WTF a holy place that takes away life, it’s not the first time either….. Shouldn’t there be a miracle or two instead……not very holy at all if you ask me. Congratulations to the survivors you will be rewarded as soon as you get out of there.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        Soon you will hear that ‘an ambassador’ has been ‘called’ to explain the ‘why’.
        I am certain he will NOT say something like:
        “Well, when we began this ‘Festival’ there were a couple thousand or so, but now there’s a billion and they can’t or won’t listen to anyone’s instructions any more. We put all ‘safeguards’ in place and the idiots just run amok anyway.”
        “Look … if you want to take it over next year, go for it. We’ll send a donation.”

      2. oul yur debil gejas bault

        1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
          Maborlz Ez-Hari

          Eah mazbout, correct, mitil ma alet stfu.

          1. vateber yu shited bok do yu nd stfu gu plo debil gejas hahaha lololololol

      3. “WTF a holy place that takes away life”

        Are you trying to say no one has ever died in your church?

        1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
          Maborlz Ez-Hari

          That’s not what I’m trying to say, I’m just relieved knowing the fact that I would never be in that place and that I won’t be hanging green and white ribbons out front of my place to show every one how virtuous I am that I was at that place. Absolutely, got nothing to do with Church ziiiiiiiilch, naada nothing. I didn’t want to comment on this topic but I did, stupid me. In the meantime congratulations I heard you and 5th are expecting…

          1. We are expecting a behind.

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar

            hohohohoho ….

          3. Lmfao
            So you were saying all THAT when you said THIS;
            “WTF a holy place that takes away life”!!!!
            You are starting to lose respect.

          4. “Absolutely, got nothing to do with Church ziiiiiiiilch, naada nothing.”

            So a church isn’t a “holy place”?

            “WTF a holy place that takes away life”!!!!

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar

      I’m sure I saw an advert that said:
      ‘Make your first Haj your last. Be a willing sacrifice. Martyrdom without the bombs. Peace.’

  3. The article shows that hundreds of people died every time they stoned the devil (evil). I guess the devil got pissed off came out and got them, which tells me there is devil (evil) hiding somewhere in Saudi A or maybe the place is evil period.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Careful there, libnan1 … you’re drawing a logical conclusion. Unusual …. ;-))))

      1. MekensehParty Avatar
        MekensehParty

        HAHAHAHA

        1. hahahaha da debil zurkuntnion

    2. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      Good one. that was too funny..

      1. yu browd ouf vat yur debil gejas deed kno vondar yu rrr da bolower ouf debil gejas
        dat iz doo fonny?

        1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          Liu whatever you said back at you..lol

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar

            whatever..

          2. cook2half Avatar

            lolol

          3. idz fonny ubll labgh bor boobeee da duur kan ve dalk abut boobee da duur nd boobhais?lolololololololol

          4. nagin etch yu rrr debil fonny licke yur debil gejas hahaha

      2. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        During the crane tragedy in Mecca on September 11 two weeks ago where over 100 Muslims died, racists came out saying that it was Karma.

        ….and the racists came out again during the recent tragedy of the stampede.

        What they don’t understand is that whilst the deaths are a tragedy, if every Muslim was given a choice on where and how they would prefer to die, most would choose in favour of dying during hajj

        1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          In that case their wishes have been fulfilled. Peace!

        2. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
          Maborlz Ez-Hari

          I guess the intentions of the pilgrims are noble but the intentions of their deity is far from that…… Come here suckers. I don’t know if being trodden on till I die is something I’d favour, sounds pretty tragic to me.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Football games experience this ‘Euphoria’ too … it’s amazing, that human animal …

          2. You disgusting racist bigot!
            Pilgrims that have never done anything wrong by you are “human animal”??
            You are vile

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            But accurate …

          4. This explains why you keep licking your behind, coz you are just as vile as your behind. Try douching

        3. drue drue rezunbl

        4. Surprise surprise who again who else could it be other than the world’s scourge the dear Shiites!!!
          Now have a wild guess who these trouble causing mushriks are, the human worshipping, self-flagella ting, tomb crawling 5star mushriks …. Videos have emerged showing how this cancer ie the Rawafid who have attached themselves to Islam were walking in wrong directions distorting the monotheistic and ibrahimic call of all Muslims on hajj (which is labbayka ya Allah) with labbayka ya Hussein and ya Ali!!!! By doing this these pagans who claim to follow the ahl al bait (who are innocent of the Rafida) have actually opposed the ahl al bait who just like the ahl al sunnah always invoked Allah directly in particular on hajj! This rafidi virus causes nothing but havoc, ban these mushriks and let them worship in Qom al najjasah and kharabala.

          Witness how these pagan polytheist Shia turn one of the greatest symbols of tawheed, of monotheism and devotion to Allah alone, into another one of their mindless shirk filled rituals as we see in Karbala and Najaf. While sane Muslims who worship Allah alone (as anyone who claims to be Muslim is COMMANDED to do), the Rafidah distort ‘Labbayk Allahumma Labbayk’ (Here we are O Allah Here we are) to ‘Labbayk Ya Hussain’ and ‘Labbayk Ya ‘Ali’.
          Ya mushrikeen majoos, when the Prophet salAllahu ‘alayhi wa sallam performed Hajj, did he call out to ‘Ali beside Allah? Did he call out to Al-Hussain the child? Or did he exhort the hujjaj to the worship of Allah alone every step of the way?
          But these pagan shia mushrikeen want revive the religion of pagan Quraish. They want to perform the Hajj just like how the pagan arabs performed it in the past by singing, clapping hands and calling upon Lat and Hubal. The only thing different about the shia hajj is that they replaced Lat with Ali and Hubal with Hussein.
          Shiasm = Anti-Quran
          Shiasm = Anti Prophet and Ahlul Bayt
          Shiaism is NOT Islam

          http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g70HSLRLU2c
          http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HhSTzufJhAQ

          Yaum Arafah, the climax of the Hajj. The day when the Muslim pilgrims beseech Allah from noon till sunset, seeking forgiveness for their sins and asking Allah and Allah alone for their needs. This great day was singled out by the Prophet salAllahu ‘alayhi wa sallam in an authentic hadith in which he states, “There is no day upon which Allah frees His servants from the Hellfire more than the day of Arafat. He draws near and then He praises them to the angels, saying: What do these want?” and fasting on this day equals two years’ worth of sins forgiven.
          However, as usual the mushrik Shi’a Rafidah have a different, more shirki outlook on this day. According to them, the greatest rewards on this day are for those who go and worship a buried deity in Karbala at the grave of Al-Hussain, and that Allah even looks at them first before He Looks at the pilgrims in ‘Arafah. How rotten is this blasphemous cult!
          Hajj is mentioned numerous times in the Qur’an and so is ‘Arafah, yet there is no sign of Karbala in there. But somehow this place is given a higher status in the Sight of Allah than the real Sha3aair of Allah (not the tombs and graves the Rafidah claim in their super polytheisticness this term refers to).
          Is this the Madhab of the Ahlul Bayt who were pure monotheists like the pilgrims in ‘Arafah, or the Madhab of Iblees?

          The pride of Rafidism, Hizbullat has announced it’s complete withdrawal from Syria. This anti-Muslim sectarian gang of rapists and murderers who joined hands with the dwindling Syrian army and recently the Russians while being funded by the great satan, Iran have finally run out of dumb Rafidhi sheep to send to their deaths in the name of Iran’s safavid expansionist policies. The article states, “The sources attributed Hezbollah’s decision to the fact that its numbers were limited, and that it must be prepared for a possible confrontation with Israel.”
          Minus taqiyyah this BS means: “After getting flagellated by Muslims in Syria, we will go back to our useless empty barking of threats against Israel while knowing full well we won’t lift a finger against them, as we regroup and fill our ranks with more sheep to send to fight our real enemies, the Muslim Sunnis. Following up our empty rhetoric against Israel with any real action towards them on the same scale as our murder and rape sprees in Syria is about a realistic a possibility as the emergence of our useless, hiding 12th Imam. Salawat!”

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar

            hussein liu…encore..

        5. Iran and it’s Shiites behind Hajj Stampede:

          The tweets of the Iranian-Shia Hezbollah members that they were in the ambush to create acts of sabotage during Hajj this year.

          Ustaaz Mahdi (Former Hezbollah Member) wrote on his official twitter 14 days before Mina stampede:

          “Hezbollah is foisting African Shiites and Yemeni Houthis into Hajj expeditions in order to commit acts of Sabotage.”

          10th September 2015 7:51 PM.

          http://abutalhazahack.com/images/Hezbollah_1.png

          Source: https://twitter.com/mahdi13203505/status/642017628781969408?lang=eg

          Shaykh Jamaal bin Ataif wrote on his official twitter 8 days before Mina stampede:

          “Before Fajr prayers in Haram, the Iranian pilgrims all at one time stampeded and ran toward the doors, and then the people stood and ran following them out of terror and fear, but KSA guards contained the incident.” – 16th September 2015 3:06 PM.

          http://abutalhazahack.com/images/Hezbollah_3.PNG

          Source: https://twitter.com/Ben_ataf/status/644120236174610433?lang=en

          A follower by the name Abu Abdul Azeez commented on the tweet of Shaykh Jamaal bin Ataif:

          “This is a sign, we should be careful. It seems that they will try to implement their plan DURING PELTING OF THE STONES OR TAWAAF ALIFADAH.” – 16th September 2015 3:18 PM

          http://abutalhazahack.com/images/Hezbollah_2.PNG

          Those who survived the stampede said, they heard a sudden noise that made everyone terrified and a sudden movement started creating a stampede.

          1. Re “Shia cockroaches”:

            How did you get home videos of 5th’s behind crawling like a roach?
            It must have worms

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Boku Dorks leading the parade of the Twits ??

          3. This must be how you get around, seeing you have no spine.

        6. jafr rafzi Avatar

          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ4LCPzXQmI
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uR_9LKtuxYM
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ7C0yL8i9w
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-C4LcjvxHEg
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B9gq7t6h2Jo
          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y7KEJDDmGgI

          The worship of the Rafidah resembles the worship of the pagan Quraysh (only worse, since the Rafidah ascribe their paganism to the Ahl Al-Bayt). Acts of worship such as chanting, wailing (also an essential part of Jewish form of worship) and semi-nakedness. The pagan Quraysh used to do Tawaf (semi)-naked! Let me quote you a Shia historian and remind the Shias how similar their retarded and animalistic rituals are to those of their brothers in Shirk i.e. the pagan Quraysh.

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          Twenty Three Years: A Study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed, Ali Dashti (Translated from Persian by F.R.C. Bagley), George Allen and Unwin, 1985

          Through hajj, several national customs of Arabs were endorsed and perpetuated. All the ceremonies of hajj such as wearing of seamless white robe, kissing/touching of black stone, the halt at Arafat, running between Safa and Marwa and the pebble-throwing were practiced in pre-Islamic period. While circumambulating the Kaaba, the call to an idol was replaced by the call to God [i.e. they were better than the Rafidha Shias whom many have witnessed shouting Ya Ali, labbayka Ya Hussein etc. even when doing Tawaf!]. There are some minor modifications such as banning circumambulation in nude which pagan Arabs practiced.

          On the Day of Nahr (10th of Dhul-Hijja, in the year prior to the last Hajj of the Prophet when Abu Bakr was the leader of the pilgrims in that Hajj) Abu Bakr sent me along with other announcers to Mina to make a public announcement: “No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka`ba. Then Allah’s Apostle sent ‘Ali to read out the Surat Bara’a (at-Tauba) to the people; so he made the announcement along with us on the day of Nahr in Mina: “No pagan is allowed to perform Hajj after this year and no naked person is allowed to perform the Tawaf around the Ka`ba.”

          [Book: Knowledge – كتاب العلم Global Id: 71 (1) Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 71 In-book reference: Book 3, Hadith 13 English translation: Vol. 1, Book 3, Hadith 71]

          Imam Al-Shafi3i – may Allah have mercy upon him – said: “I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Rafidah.” [narrated by Al-Khatib Al-Baghdadi/Al-Kifayah]

          Rafidah CLAIM to follow the Ahl al-Bait but in fact they’ve revived everything that the Prophet (صل الله عليه و على آله و سلم) fought against his entire life, including:

          – Saint worship (literal prayers under the pretext of intercession to the their so called infallible and even non-infallibles. Other pagans such as Christians and the pagan Quraysh also prayed to their Prophets/saints to seek nearness to Allah).

          – Making pictures of Prophets etc.

          – (Nouha/’Latmiyaat’) Wailing and lamentation (another pagan Quraishi practice and also Jewish one, as can bee seen at the WAILING wall in Jerusalem).

          – Naming yourself slave of other than Allah (not Shirk akbar in all cases but nevertheless something the Prophet FOUGHT against and hence changed the name of a NUMBER of Sahaba such as ‘Abdul-Ka3ba’ etc. Yet Shias name themselves Abdul-Hussein, Abdul-Zahra’ etc.!)

          – Swearing by other than Allah (Allah is the creator he can swear by what HE has created. Shias make Qiyas and say since Allah swears by the sun etc. we can swear by our tombed Imams! Again they ignore the Shari3a of MANKIND were the Prophet forbad us to take oaths by anyone besides Allah).

          – Nadhr (Shias do Nadhr for Abal-Fadhl Al-Abbas, Al-Hussein etc. instead for Allah ALONE)

          – Sacrifice (Shias sacrifice for other than Allah i.e. the Imams hence their meet is Najis)

          – Wearing black on death anniversaries (a Shia, Jewish and Christian practice, never endorsed by Islam)

          – Errecting graves and wasting money on 5 star hotel looking mausoleums, shrines and tombs etc. (something the Prophet never did and fought against, yet the Shias instead of following him point out how some of the Bani Umayyah, Abbasids, Ottomans and some of the scholars in the Ummah either kept silent or endorsed this waste! Suddenly the a3maal/actions of these people are proofs for Shias when it comes to oppose the clear-cut Ahadith of the Messenger of Allah i.e. his Sunnah)

          Point is, the Rafidi religion has revived all sorts of superstitious and pagan practices and beliefs under the guise of following the ‘Ahl al-Bayt/Ja’fari/Imamite school of thought’.

        7. Hey why, if they had a choice, would they choose to die during hajj?

          1. Whoever goes out for the Hajj pilgrimage and dies, then the reward of Hajj will be written for him until the Day of Resurrection. Whoever goes out for the Umrah pilgrimage and dies, then the reward of Umrah will be written for him until the Day of Resurrection.

            Well, one of the qualities of being muslims is to submit to Allah – The Creator. The incidents during Hajj is extraordinary event. Muslims know too well that hajj related incidents (death) are rewardable afterlife.

            One of the purposes of hajj is unification of adherents of islam. There should be absolutely no room for bickering if we truly believe. Death incidents at Arafah is of two (2) realities that are opposite of each other.

            First reality is that of painful deaths with bodies everywhere, whether it was mistake, negligence or deliberate. Loved ones sob, morn and count their lost. This is material reality.

            Second reality is base on iman (faith) and (qadar) fate. Muslims know too well the “benefits” of dying in Islam Holiest site especially during Hajj. There are tremendous rewards for those people. There are evidences in islamic text to support this.

            Hajj Wipes Off Past Sins:

            Abu Huraira reported that the Prophet (SAW) said: “He who performs Hajj for Allah’s pleasure and avoids all lewdness and sins will return after Hajj free from all sins as he was the day his mother gave birth to him.” (Bukhari & Muslim)

            Abdullahi in Mas’ud narrated that the Prophet (SAW) said: “Alternate between Hajj and Umrah (regularly), for these two remove poverty and sins just as the blacksmith’s bellows removes all impurities from metals like iron, gold and silver. The reward for Hajj Mabrur is nothing short of paradise.” (Nasai and Tirmizhi, who what’s it sounds hadith)

            The Reward For Hajj Is Paradise:

            Abu Huraira reported that the Prophet muhammad (SAW) said: ” All sins committed in between the performance of one Umrah and another are expiated and erased, and the reward of Hajj Mabrur is nothing save Paradise.”

            Prophet (SAW) said: “This House of Allah (the Ka’bah) is the pillar of islam, so whoever heads to it with the intention of performing Hajj or Umrah is under Allah’s security. If he should die (during his trip) he is granted Paradise, and if he returns home safely, he returns with reward and gain.”

            In islamic epistemology, the dead bodies of pilgrims are nothing but shells. The souls of the dead looked at it and snubbed. They smile and rejoice at great rewards ahead while you and I critisize, cry, mourn and bicker. But the Angels are saying to them (the dead) “fear not this is the reward which you are promised”.

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yes. Good. Understandable, even in a western eyeball. A Samurai would ‘get it’ too.

          3. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Now liu make it “epic poetic”.. as Homer “submit” to Greek Tragedies

          4. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            And the kamakaze, don’t forget the Japanese nuggets.

          5. Thanks for your reply. I’m waiting on reasonable to reply before I tell you why I asked that question

          6. jaf'r sad'q Avatar
            jaf’r sad’q

            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ugHv6hEetW0
            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jO8v1g-0WGY
            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g70HSLRLU2c
            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5A4CxaeYlcE
            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WFcXalgViQA

            “if dying there means “succeeding in life”, and both Shiites and Sunnis died there. Does that make both sects “Muslim”?”

            Watch and Read to find your question’s answer from Shiite Imams and their own books. Then tell us what you think!??

            Karbala: The True Hajj and Visiting Karbala Is A Must And Rewardful Deed Than Visiting Mecca To Shiites

            According to Shiites “Crawling” to the shrine of Hussein hold greater reward in the eyes of Allah than Hajj as the shrine is holier than the kaaba.

            Ziyarah of Imam al Hussein is better than Hajj in terms of “Reward”.

            1. Ziyarah to the Mausoleum of Imam al Hussein is better and more rewarding than Hajj itself, by 100 or 1000 times.

            2. Visiting the shrine of Imam al Hussein acts as a means of performing Hajj at the same time, so that you don’t need to perform hajj as the land of the shrine of imam al Hussein is superior to the land of the Kaaba.

            3. Imam jafer as sadiq compares the reward of visiting the shrine of aba abdilllah to a thousand accepted Hajj and umrah.

            4. The Imam says “One thousand accepted Haj will be WRITTEN down in his RECORD, as also one thousand pious Umrah” if you do ziyarah of the grave of Hussein.

            These following traditions are from a Shiite book called “nafasul mahmoom”.

            Qaddah says, that I asked Imam Ja’far as Sadiq (a.s) that, “The one who goes for the pilgrimage to the grave of Imam Husain (a.s), while being cognizant of his rights, and is neither an arrogant nor a denier, what has he earned?” Imam (a.s) replied, “One thousand accepted Haj will be written down in his record, as also one thousand pious Umrah. And if he is a damned one, he shall be noted down as a felicitous one, and shall remain saturated eternally in the blessings of Allah”.

            Sulayman bin Khalid inquired from Imam Ja’far as Sadiq (a.s) that, “I have heard that you have said, that Allah beholds the earth every day and night for a hundred thousand times. Then He forgives anyone whom He pleases and He chastises anyone whom He pleases? And that He shall forgive the pilgrim of the grave of Imam Husain (a.s) and his family and anyone whom he intercedes for on the day of Qiyamah, whoever he be? Then shall the one, who is worthy of hell-fire, also be forgiven?” Imam (a.s) replied, “Yes, even the one worthy of hell-fire, provided that he is not an enemy of the Ahlulbayt (a.s)”.

            Imam Ja’far as Sadiq (a.s) says that, “If I relate to you the merit of visiting his grave, you shall abandon the Haj, while a group from among you would not go for the Haj. Woe be to you! Do you not know that Allah preferred Karbala to be the Sanctuary of His peace and affluence before He chose Makkah to be His Sanctuary?” Imam (a.s) continued, “One day Imam Husain (a.s) was seated in the lap of his grandfather, while he was caressing him and smiling.” Seeing this Ayesha said, “O Prophet of Allah! How much do you love this child?” He (s.a.w.s) replied, “Woe be to you! How should I not cherish him and not be pleased with him? He is the fruit of my heart and the light of my eyes. Beware! Verily my nation will kill him, then whoever visits him (his grave) after his death, Allah will write down one of my Haj in his account”. Ayesha asked, “One of your Haj?” He (s.a.w.s) replied, “Yes, rather two of my Haj”. Ayesha asked, “Two of your Haj?” and he replied, “Yes”. And as much as Ayesha started inquiring, he started increasing the amount of reward (of Haj) until he reached ninety Haj alongwith his Umrah.

          7. Hind Abyad Avatar

            You people are sickos..ugh

          8. Lol coming from a daft mare that’s hilarious.

          9. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Hey O, i will try as soon as i get them time to explain through a muslim lens(explanation of muslims and islam by a muslim) why a muslim would most likely choose to die at hajj or during worship rather then an explanation of muslims and islam through a western lens.

          10. 5thDrawer Avatar

            The MAIN point, Reasonable, is that one NEEDS to BELIEVE … no matter which religion. That great feeling that, ‘Before I die I must see or do … (pick one)’, often taking one a lifetime to accumulate enough resources to do it, also often makes it the last trip.
            Who indeed wouldn’t go happily, after all one had to do to get there? That ‘Pinnacle’ of Mt.Everest, or the depths of the Marinas Trench. Or, indeed, Mars.
            I have only one question. WHY does it need to be done ONLY at that specific phase of the moon, or whatever, when a billion other tourists are there doing the same thing??
            Because, when I look through my ‘western lens’, there is no logic in doing it when ‘the known crush’ is on. For the same reason, I don’t ‘fly’ at Christmas either … the odds on getting there and coming back are much better if one avoids ‘the crush’.
            It wasn’t ‘God/Allah’ dictating the dates.

          11. Idiot, that is not the point!
            I asked the question, so only I know the point behind my question.
            I’m waiting for reasonable to reply before I reveal the POINT and before I reply to re

          12. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            When does hajj become compulsory??
            Hajj is compulsory on every able bodied muslim (atleast once a lifetime)who can afford the journey. It is important to give hajj it’s importance as you would give importance to the other 4 pillars of faith.
            1.belief in allah and his attributes
            2.5 times daily prayers
            3. Alms giving
            4. Fasting
            if a muslim has legitimate reasons not to perform hajj allah the all hearer all knower is already aware may forgive them from his mercy.

            Why do muslims practise a ritual considered old by western analysts?
            faith and worship are interwoven into the fabric of islamic society,
            Muslims believe they were created by god to live rightous lives in their limited stay on earth in order to enjoy a blissful afterlife.

            “Say: indeed My prayers, sacrifice, living and dying are for Allah, lord of all worlds.”

            The sacrifice of hajj.
            hajj is not only a physical journey it is a mental state, people of all races come together all are equal at hajj, the more you struggle the more you are rewarded. They are all dressed equally (in ihraam) and all heading in one direction.
            Allah rewards the muslim who struggles for his sake amongst the people.

            The state of a muslim who fulfills his duty of hajj

            Abu Hurairah (may Allah be pleased with him) narrated that he heard Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) say,

            “Whoever performs Hajj and does not commit any obscenity or transgression shall return [free from sins] as he was on the day his mother gave birth to him.” (Al-Bukhari)

            Dieing at hajj ofcourse with the correct intentions means success with allahs mercy they are excused from past sins and promised paradise. To a muslim this equals succeeding in life.

          13. 5thDrawer Avatar

            (point 5 ?? Half a prayer ? hmmm.) Sorry … reading …

          14. “after a short sleep with a Lady”

            At you age, sleep will be all you do.

          15. 5thDrawer Avatar

            ‘Merry Euphoria’ nevertheless.

          16. “When does hajj become compulsory??”

            Sorry reasonable but that wasn’t my question.
            My question is, why (if a Muslim had a choice) would they choose to die there?

          17. Dying at hajj is the best time to die. Hajj wipes away all your sins so you’re meeting your creator with nothing but good to show from your life and He bestows His reward accordingly.

            What is the importance of Hajj? Why do Muslims go to Hajj? Hajj is an obligatory duty for Muslims which bear numerous personal, social, educational, moral and economic benefits.

            Meaning of “Hajj”

            Hajj literally means “head for, visit, constantly go and visit an important and honorable place.”

            As an Islamic term hajj means the worship done in the Hijri month of Dhul-Hijjah by accomplishing some religious duties in accordance with their conditions and methods properly in Ka’ba, Arafat, Muzdalifa and Mina.

            Hajj became obligatory nine years after Hijrah (immigration of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) from Makka to Madina.)

            The worship of Hajj is fard (obligatory) for each Muslim who can afford

            Allah (swt) enjoins Hajj in the 97th verse of Surah al Al-I Imran:

            “Wherein are plain memorials (of Allah’s guidance); the place where Abraham stood up to pray; and whosoever entereth it is safe. And pilgrimage to the House is a duty unto Allah for mankind, for him who can find a way thither. As for him who disbelieveth, (let him know that) lo! Allah is Independent of (all) creatures.” (Surah al Al-I Imran; 97)

            “Perform the pilgrimage and the visit (to Makka) for Allah.” (Surah al Baqara, 196)

            “O people! Allah (swt) had ordained fard the worship of Hajj. Hurry to perform the Hajj.” (Muslim)

            Hajj is one of the five pillars of Islam

            Hajj (pilgrimage) is one of the pillars of Islam. So, it’s an order of Allah (swt) that is fard like prayer and fasting.

            It is narrated on the authority of ‘Abdullah son of ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said:

            “(The superstructure of) al-islam is raised on five (pillars), testifying (the fact) that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is His bondsman and messenger, and the establishment of prayer, payment of Zakat, Pilgrimage to the House (Ka’ba) and the fast of Ramadan.” (Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Hadith 20)

            Hajj differentiates Muslims from Christians and Jews

            Visit to Ka’ba is peculiar to Muslims. In Christianity and Judaism there is not an obligatory duty of Hajj in accordance with the Islamic doctrine.

            “He who possess enough food for the trip, a means of transportation to reach to Makkah, and yet does not perform Hajj, then he dies, he would then die as a Jew or a Christian” (At-Tirmidhi, Al-Bazzaar)

            Hajj is one of the most superior deeds

            Narrated Abu Huraira:

            Allah’s Apostle was asked, “What is the best deed?” He replied, “To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, “What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, “To participate in jihad in Allah’s Cause.” The questioner again asked, “What is the next (in goodness)?” He replied, “To perform Hajj (Pilgrim age to Mecca) ‘Mubrur, (which is accepted by Allah and is performed with the intention of seeking Allah’s pleasure only and not to show off and without committing a sin and in accordance with the traditions of the Prophet).” (Bukhari; Book 2, Hadith 25) (Muslim, Tirmidhi, Nasai, Ibn Maja)

            Hajj is expiation for sins

            Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said,

            “Whoever performs Hajj to this House (Ka’ba) and does not approach his wife for sexual relations nor commits sins (while performing Hajj), he will come out as sinless as a newly-born child. (Just delivered by his mother).” (Bukhari, Book 28, Hadith 45)

            The reward of Hajj is nothing except “jannah”

            Hadrat Abu Huraira reported that Allah’s Messsenger (pbuh) said:

            “(The performance of) ‘Umra is an expiation for the sins committed (between it and the previous one). And the reward of Hajj Mabrur (the one accepted by Allah) is nothing except Paradise.” (Bukhari; Umra; 1) (Muslim, Tirmidhi, Nasai, Ibn Maja)

            Hajj brings women the reward of jihad

            If a woman succeeds in performing her Haj in sincerity without committing sins, she is regarded to have achieved her best jihad.

            Narrated Hadrat ‘Aisha: (the mother of the faithful believers) I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! We consider jihad as the best deed.” The Prophet said, “The best jihad (for women) is hajj Mabrur. ” (Bukari; Haj; 595)

            Narrated Hadrat Aisha (mother of the faithful believers): I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Shouldn’t we participate in Holy battles and jihad along with you?” He replied, “The best and the most superior jihad (for women) is hajj which is accepted by Allah.” Hadrat ‘Aisha added: Ever since I heard that from Allah’s Apostle I have determined not to miss hajj. (Bukhari; 29;84)

            When the most number of servants are forgiven are the days of Hajj

            ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:

            “There is no day when God sets free more servants from Hell than the Day of ‘Arafa. He draws near, then praises them to the angels, saying: What do these want?”

            (Muslim; Book 7, Hadith: 3126)

            The day of Arafa is a quite important day for Hajj. Waqoof which is the essential pillar of Hajj is performed on the Day of Arafa in the afternoon till sunset. Hajj duty of a Muslim who misses waqoof is not valid.

            Millions of Muslims from all over the world supplicate, pray and worship Allah (swt) on the same day, at the same place, Arafat and Allah swt bestows His pardon upon so many servants on the blessed day of Arafa.

            “There is no day more virtuous than the day of Arafa in year, there is no day more virtuous than Friday during the week.” (Tirmidhi)

            Hajj is a worship which even the babies are rewarded

            Ibn `Abbas, reported that the Prophet (pbuh) met some riders in al-Rawha’ and said, “Who are these people?” They said, “Muslims.” They said, “Who are you?” He said, “The Messenger of Allah.” A woman lifted up a child and said, “Is there Hajj for him?” He said, ‘Yes, and you shall have a reward.” (Muslim, 1336)

            Hajj is a worship that can be benefitted from the bounty of Allah (swt) in respect of wordly benefits as well

            Narrated Ibn ‘ Abbas:

            “ Dhul-Majaz and ‘Ukaz were the markets of the people during the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. When the people embraced Islam, they disliked to do bargaining there till the following Holy Verses were revealed:– There is no harm for you If you seek of the bounty Of your Lord (during Hajj by trading, etc.) (2.198) (Bukhari, Haj, 822)

            As mentioned in the ayah, Muslims are allowed to engage in trade and business during the holy days of Hajj. However, surely it shouldn’t prevent pilgrims from fulfilling the obligations of Hajj. The prohibition of trade is peculiar to the Jumua hour.

            Hajj is getting to know the Prophet and His Companions closely

            Hajj is a worship that inspires deep contemplations to Muslims since it is performed in holy places where the beloved Prophet (pbuh) and his blessed companions fulfilled their honorable duty.

            The worship of Hajj is to know the “collective personality of the Messenger of Allah (pbuh)” with a certain knowledge that is the source of the bliss and the intercession of this ummah.

            What we should understand from the expression of “the collective personality of the Prophet” is his dawa (mission) and his being the prophet of the past and even the future.

            The world is like a masjid (mosque) of which the imam is the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

            Mecca is its mihrab (altar) where Islam has arisen and that’s the place where Prophet led the mankind to learn the tenets of faith.

            Madina is a minbar (pulpit) where Islam started to be implemented and where Islamic social ethics were taught and founded in social life.

            Visiting these holy places with such deep contemplations surely help Muslims gain a sincere and certain knowledge of the Prophet (pbuh) and his Beloved companions.

            Hajj reminds the Day of Judgement

            Hajj is like a rehearsal of the Grand Assembly on the Day of Judgement.

            Rituals in Hajj are like symbols reminding the Judgement Day.

            The holy house Kaba in the season of Haj reminds the “mahshar” (gathering field).

            Journey to Hajj reminds the journey of man from world to the hereafter. Ihram, the hajj dress, resembles the shroud. Wuquf in Arafat and Muzdalifa are reminders of the qiyamah (doomsday) and mahshaar (gathering field). Talbiyah is an expression of submission to Allah (swt). Tawaf (circumambulation of Kaba) is like an example of angels circumambulating the Arsh (throne); touching, kissing or pointing at Hajar al Aswad (The Black Stone) stand for our loyalty to our promise; sa’y between Safa and Marwa stands for the merits (thawabs) and sins and the heart’s shuttling between nafs and soul. Sacrificing an animal represents the sacrificing the nafs (soul) by attaching to worship and salvation of our organs from hell in return for the organs of the sacrificed animal.

            During Hajj, all pilgrims whatever their nations, languages, colors, ranks or social statues are, wear in the same dress, ihram that resembles the grave cloth. The Hajj field full of people in ihram manifests the fact mentioned in the ayah “Every soul will taste of death.” (Surah Al-I Imran, 185) Such a deep and practical reflection of death is a great and effective means of sincerity, devotion, submission that lead to a strong belief.

            Through Hajj, a Muslim gets to comprehend the real meaning of “Allah-u Akbar”

            “The frequent declaring of ‘God is Most Great!’ during the Hajj is for the above reason. For the blessed Hajj is worship at a universal level for everyone. Just as on a special day like a festival a soldier goes to the king’s celebrations like a General in the sphere of General, and receives his favours, in the same way, a Hajji, no matter how lowly, is turned towards his Sustainer under the title Mighty Sustainer of every region of the earth, like a saint who has traversed all the degrees. He is honoured with universal worship. For sure, the universal degrees of dominicality opened with the key of the Hajj, and the horizons of the tremendousness of Godhead which are visible to his eye through its telescope, and the spheres of worship which gradually unfold to his heart and imagination through its observances, and the heat, wonder, awe, and dread of dominicality caused by the levels of sublimity and last stage of manifestation, can only be quietened by ‘God is Most Great! God is Most Great!’, and those observed or imagined unfolded degrees can only be proclaimed by it. After the Hajj, this meaning is found in various exalted and universal degrees in the Festival (‘Eid) Prayers, the prayers for rain, and those recited at solar and lunar eclipses, and in prayers performed as a congregation. Thus, the importance of the marks and observances of Islam, also even if of the category of Sunna, lies in this reason.” (Badiuzzaman; the Words; 16th Word)

            Hajj is a way of character education

            Hajj, as well as being an obligatory duty, is a way of education as well. Hajj establishes good morals and produces numerous social benefits that bring about a great deal of good to the Muslim individual and society.

            A pilgrim faces many difficulties, hardships and tough situations during the preparation period, journey and rituals during Hajj which teach him to be patient and submissive; gentle and permissive and teach how to control his temper and keep calm.

            Hajj is the world’s largest annual assembly

            Hajj is like an international conference with millions of Muslims gathered from quiet different cultures and habits. In Hajj, pilgrims learn to focus on the common points and keep the unity, real brotherhood and harmony despite the differences and see that there are no real differences actually and every human are same and equal before God. Also Hajj is a great opportunity to meet Muslims from different countries and share their ideas, feelings, learn more about other Muslim countries.

            Hajj strengthens the feelings of universal brotherhood and manifests that Islam is the religion of unity and solidarity

            Hajj removes all kinds of differences and provides the unity of Muslims. Two million people from hundreds of different countries and different nations, different colors and different cultures gather at the same place for the same purpose; they wear the same dress and turn to the same Qibla. They share the same feelings and same actions. They call the same unique Lord and follow the steps of same Prophet (pbuh). No matter they are rich or poor they are equal in duties and rights. These entire make Muslims realize that they are actually nothing but brothers to eachother in the name of Islam. So, Hajj establishes a sincere brotherhood among the Muslims and obviously manifests that Islam is a religion of unity and solidarity.

          18. wow thanks for that very detailed response

          19. “Dieing at hajj ofcourse with the correct intentions means success with allahs mercy they are excused from past sins and promised paradise. To a muslim this equals succeeding in life.

            Hopefully I can explain myself correctly: if dying there means “succeeding in life”, and both Shiites and Sunnis died there. Does that make both sects “Muslim”? Coz the way I see it, death on that day means Muslims believe those that died are going to this heavenly place called heaven.
            Btw I don’t know why all religions have to name thier hells and heavens the same thing.

          20. man-o-war Avatar

            ” if dying there means “succeeding in life”, and both Shiites and Sunnis died there. Does that make both sects “Muslim”?” , what a moron you are. Why do want to deny Shi’ite the right to call themselves Muslims? You’re a religious bigot and don’t even know anything about the religions. Get a fucking clue already.

          21. “Why do want to deny Shi’ite the right to call themselves Muslims? ”

            I couldn’t give a flying fuck what you call yourselves.
            But the majority of Muslims DO and we life in a democracy! Where majority rules!
            And why are you getting upset? At least the Muslims do to you what the Christian U.S. government did to the branch Davidians.

            As for idiot, no one is a bigger idiot than your mom, for a) not keep its legs shut and b) for not aborting you

          22. 5thDrawer Avatar

            wrong

          23. Wow that was very informative.
            Everything about you is wrong

          24. You dumbass!
            Don’t as in to replace the word do in the comment.
            Idiot
            As In do should be don’t in this “At least the Muslims do to you what the Christian U.S. government did to the branch Davidians.”

            I swear you are an idiot.

          25. Actually not to replace but as an addition

          26. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Oh .. I thought you were attempting to correct Man-O … your usual ‘thing’ … you should explain what you reference instead of just throwing a 4-letter word at us … ;-)))

          27. How about a 3 letter with a symbol!

            F*CK

          28. “while slagging Hind”

            Lol and that’s one of the reasons your opinion means fuck all!

          29. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            There is a shi ite sect called zaydia who ahlul sunnah agree upon their aqeeda, they zaydia school of thought started after abu hanifa(r.a) not sure of the founders name. Although the zaydia (now known as houthis) who have taken arms against ahlul sunnah and allied with iran have fallen into kufr.

            but is shirk or kufr alone enough for one to fall out of the fold of islam?

            Yes while ahlul sunnah agree that the aqeeda of the shia in general is one of a mushrik and covered in kufr agbar their are exceptions when making takfiir. Even if their is 1% good we will judge on this one percent.

            Al-Qaadee Abu Ya`laa
            It was reported that Abu Ya`laa said, “The position of jurists concerning one who curses the Sahaabah, believing that such an act is permissible, is that he has committed an act of disbelief. If he curses them but does not believe that cursing them is permissible, then he is guilty of immorality, and not disbelief.” [Ibn Taymeeyah, as-Sawaarim al-Maslool, p. 569]

            Within shias are laymens so one can make excuses for them.. there are also those who know they are wrong but still commit the sin.. we can also make excuses for them

            As for a general ruling yes their aqeeda is kufr but a blanket statement towards every shia individual is harmful.. all in the quran and our prophet pbuh teaches us objectivity, otherwise we fall victim to our enemy satan.

            if every act of kufr took us out of the fold of islaam then our countries like saudi arabia would be concidered dharl harb, since there are applied laws which do not come from the sharia and interest banks which contradicts the sharia since uling by other then what allah has revealed is kufr agbar.
            Implimenting laws other then what allah revealed but believing that allahs laws are greater and working towards implementing them does not take you out of the fold.

            Implementing them whilst believing they are greater then what has been revealed takes you out of the fold.

          30. thank you for the courteous and detailed explanation.
            Did I understand correctly that the houthis are Shiite but accepted by Sunnis until the houthis waged war?

          31. jaf'r sad'q Avatar
            jaf’r sad’q

            Yes, that was a consensus within Sunni Ulema about Zaydi’s 5vers until they went total SHIT by joining 12vers against Sunnis in Yemen. The Worst Shites are 12vers then Alawites, 7vers, bahais, druze, 5vers, …. bottom line anyone or any sect who claims to be a Muslim or Muslims and go the route of shite are automatically out of the fold of Islam. It doesn’t matter what they say or brag!!!!!! No amount of taqqiyah or false propaganda or flying the banner of Islam or prayers or Hajj or lies about Muslim unity or crying about Palestine … will change the FACT after they went shite!!!!!!
            Allah (swt) knows best!!!!!!!!!!!!

            How Shias see pigs and monkeys at Hajj! — m.youtube.com

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            Watch and Read to know from Shiite Imams and their own books what they really are!!!!!!

            Karbala: The True Hajj and Visiting Karbala Is A Must And Rewardful Deed Than Visiting Mecca To Shiites

            According to Shiites “Crawling” to the shrine of Hussein hold greater reward in the eyes of Allah than Hajj as the shrine is holier than the kaaba.

            Ziyarah of Imam al Hussein is better than Hajj in terms of “Reward”.

            1. Ziyarah to the Mausoleum of Imam al Hussein is better and more rewarding than Hajj itself, by 100 or 1000 times.

            2. Visiting the shrine of Imam al Hussein acts as a means of performing Hajj at the same time, so that you don’t need to perform hajj as the land of the shrine of imam al Hussein is superior to the land of the Kaaba.

            3. Imam jafer as sadiq compares the reward of visiting the shrine of aba abdilllah to a thousand accepted Hajj and umrah.

            4. The Imam says “One thousand accepted Haj will be WRITTEN down in his RECORD, as also one thousand pious Umrah” if you do ziyarah of the grave of Hussein.

            These following traditions are from a Shiite book called “nafasul mahmoom”.

            Qaddah says, that I asked Imam Ja’far as Sadiq (a.s) that, “The one who goes for the pilgrimage to the grave of Imam Husain (a.s), while being cognizant of his rights, and is neither an arrogant nor a denier, what has he earned?” Imam (a.s) replied, “One thousand accepted Haj will be written down in his record, as also one thousand pious Umrah. And if he is a damned one, he shall be noted down as a felicitous one, and shall remain saturated eternally in the blessings of Allah”.

            Sulayman bin Khalid inquired from Imam Ja’far as Sadiq (a.s) that, “I have heard that you have said, that Allah beholds the earth every day and night for a hundred thousand times. Then He forgives anyone whom He pleases and He chastises anyone whom He pleases? And that He shall forgive the pilgrim of the grave of Imam Husain (a.s) and his family and anyone whom he intercedes for on the day of Qiyamah, whoever he be? Then shall the one, who is worthy of hell-fire, also be forgiven?” Imam (a.s) replied, “Yes, even the one worthy of hell-fire, provided that he is not an enemy of the Ahlulbayt (a.s)”.

            Imam Ja’far as Sadiq (a.s) says that, “If I relate to you the merit of visiting his grave, you shall abandon the Haj, while a group from among you would not go for the Haj. Woe be to you! Do you not know that Allah preferred Karbala to be the Sanctuary of His peace and affluence before He chose Makkah to be His Sanctuary?” Imam (a.s) continued, “One day Imam Husain (a.s) was seated in the lap of his grandfather, while he was caressing him and smiling.” Seeing this Ayesha said, “O Prophet of Allah! How much do you love this child?” He (s.a.w.s) replied, “Woe be to you! How should I not cherish him and not be pleased with him? He is the fruit of my heart and the light of my eyes. Beware! Verily my nation will kill him, then whoever visits him (his grave) after his death, Allah will write down one of my Haj in his account”. Ayesha asked, “One of your Haj?” He (s.a.w.s) replied, “Yes, rather two of my Haj”. Ayesha asked, “Two of your Haj?” and he replied, “Yes”. And as much as Ayesha started inquiring, he started increasing the amount of reward (of Haj) until he reached ninety Haj alongwith his Umrah.

          32. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            5th likes to put a twist on things but very clever old fucker is 5th.

          33. 5thDrawer Avatar

            (blush) Thanks Mab … 🙂
            (now I have to wait for bleeding to stop before going out … damn …)

          34. Hopefully it doesn’t stop.

          35. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Especially when using blood-thinners. ;-)))

          36. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Viagra to death?

          37. 5thDrawer Avatar

            My Doc stopped ‘advising’ those TOO !!! :-)))))

          38. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            That’s cos he wants the rooster duties all to himself, seek another medical opinion, doctors these days…….

          39. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yah .. really .. I think it was something to do with what happened when he gave me the annual finger. I was still thinking of his nurse at the time. ;;-)))

          40. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Sorry Reasonable … didn’t mean to interrupt the serious conversation with a daily thought. Or several …. ;-))

          41. Lol you got a hard on when he fingered you!
            Even more LOLLL that you attempt to hide it with “I was still thinking of his nurse”!
            I doubt any male will admit to thinking of anything but a finger going up their ass. Unless you’re gay and the nurse was male. Xoxo

          42. As opposed to doctors in your day who used to have the following in their textbooks, in the west till 1846;

            “It’s unhygienic to wash your hands before an examination of or surgery on a patient”!!

            No thanks! You keep your doctors those days and I’ll keep doctors these days.
            Btw those “backward” Muslims were washing their hands roughly 1,200 years earlier.

          43. Bad heart?

          44. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Nope. Age.

          45. What blood thinner? Aspirin?

          46. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I thought for sure you’d assume the Single Malts. Sigh ….

          47. I would’ve guessed the alcohol if you said liver or pancreatitis.

          48. 5thDrawer Avatar

            The Prescription Drugs are why they test for Blood problems indicating Kidney and Liver problems … hehehehehe … My last results had the Doc thinking he was doing a good job … Left him smiling. 😉 I aim to please.

          49. My uncle is a cardiologist in Canada. Imagine you are one of his patients. Small world.

          50. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Your Uncle is Chinese ??? 😯 !!

          51. Lol umm NO

          52. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I’m outa here … no drip now. :-)))))

          53. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Mine is a cardiologist in Israel..you copycat..

          54. Lol listen slag, there are more than one cardiologist and more than one person, in your case daft mare, that have uncles. You dumb obnoxious disgusting fat smelly shite.

          55. Hind Abyad Avatar

            crazy mad dog.

          56. Woof woof
            Xoxo

          57. You left him smiling? I bet you did! 😉
            (Fingers and holes come to mind)

          58. Hind Abyad Avatar

            “Left him smiling” talk about serious…
            Saudi grand mufti calls for demolition of churches in Arab peninsula.
            (warning he’s very ugly)
            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/03/saudi-grand-mufti-calls-for-demolition-of-churches

          59. If IT has to quote the most vile bigoted sites then IT must desperate.
            IT just proves what a vile ugly fat old dumb racist bigot whore taqqiya shite from Qom.
            IT claims to hate zionists but IT IS quoting a Zionist rag. (Probably uses that rag for ITS monthly)

          60. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Poster is hysterical …again..It must be the Shia

            jihadwatch germany
            Muslim refugees attack Christian refugees so often that police chief says they should be housed separately
            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/germany-muslim-refugees-attack-christian-refugees-so-often-that-police-chief-says-they-should-be-housed-separately

            jihad watch canada
            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/germany-muslim-strangles-daughter-to-death-in-honor-killing-after-she-was-caught-stealing-condomsjihad watch canada

            german highway banner: “Your children will pray to Allah or die!”
            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/german-highway-banner-your-children-will-pray-to-allah-or-die.

            Australia: Schools to introduce “jihadi watch” scheme
            http://www.jihadwatch.org/…/australia-schools-to-introduce-jihadi-watch-sche...

            May 24, 2015 – The australian government is trying to push their job onto schools. Teachers … From a 2007 Jihad Watch editorial by Robert Spencer: …there is …

          61. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Just put the ‘site’ address … let all the stories pop up on their own ..
            http://www.jihadwatch.org

          62. Poster is hysterical

          63. Hind Abyad Avatar

            echoes in your cave?

          64. No. A parrot in your cave.

          65. “He’s also the proprietor of Jihad Watch, a wingnut Web site that helped raise thousands of dollars to pay for a controversial ad campaign smearing the Park 51 project on New York City buses. ”

            You dumb slag

            http://www.alternet.org/story/147927/how_a_lunatic,_racist_blogger_is_fanning_hate_against_muslims_–_with_the_help_of_our_dumb_media

          66. 5thDrawer Avatar

            So … a lot of (most of) the ‘general arguments’ one way or the other are theories, and each is backed by stories of specific examples of some events, or what one or even a few people ‘in power’ said. And ‘in power’ includes the ones who can now put out opinions freely – by the ‘new mass media’. Yes it’s confusing … even to the ‘Tops’ … unless of course that is also Taqqiya, and all the ‘Tops’ these days lie about their abilities to ‘help’ humankind resolve it’s problems – or to prevent the WWIII schemes. And the scenes we witness (us marturs) on the ‘home screens’.

          67. “Does total ignorance make it better?”

            I believe it does. 🙁

          68. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Funny.. so who loves Zionists you call “rags”.. you were Zionist Malmequer best supporter.. Zionists Supremacist ISIS supremacist same thing..go to Hell typing zombie.

          69. First IT quotes Shia watch and next day it quotes jihadwatch.
            Nothing it brays can be believed.

            Dumb shite needs flushing

          70. Hind Abyad Avatar

            http://www.jihadwatch.org/recommended-books-to-understand-jihad-dhimmit...
            New York Times bestselling author Robert Spencer, an expert on Islam and terrorism.www.jihadwatch.org/recommended-books-to-understand-jihad-dhimmit….America is shockingly unequipped to face this threat.Jihadwatch is

          71. “And if some theories are correct, I’ll be here bugging your lovely bottom for a while yet”

            As mabz said, get a second opinion.
            The must’ve made a wrong prognosis.

          72. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Don’t you just hate those. That’s why maborlz ez hari and will stay hari.

          73. But you can’t lick your own balls.
            Which makes you selfish For not shaving.
            Not to mention hygiene.

          74. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Mecca stampede- Discrepancies highlight criticism of Saudi Arabia

            ttp://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mecca-hajj-stampede-discrepancies-death-toll-highlight-criticism-saudi-arabia-1521706

          75. 5thDrawer Avatar

            But, they said that ‘Officaldumb Car-cavalcades’ do not travel anywhere near the site of Hajj. So again, no-one knows who to believe.

    3. yur gejas gaut bissed paad debil yur gejas daking enocent libes

    4. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
      Maborlz Ez-Hari

      No maybe about it

  4. 5thDrawer Avatar

    Proposition: (Call it a Fathead Wahh if you like.)
    Each village sends a ‘Representative Imam or Ayatolla’ (whatever) … who guarantees he will throw a rock in your name for 5 cents a shot- and for 30 cents extra, will jog around the Big Black Rock the recommended number of times. One villager goes along to watch with binoculars to see it has been done.
    And if he skips the stones on the sand, as his arm wears out, then the village can stone him upon return.

  5. nagy_michael2 Avatar
    nagy_michael2

    Zabada where are you? ISIS didn’t get you a ticket to Hajj did they? cheap bastards..

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      He is still trying to find the ‘correct’ reference to this phenomena in the ancient Hadiths. ;-)))

  6. Wow we are disgusting!
    Not one of us, besides Andre, that commented has shown any empathy with the innocent dead.
    Why?
    Coz they are Muslim?
    I’m asking myself the very question I’m asking you!

    1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
      Maborlz Ez-Hari

      You got company, you don’t own the rights on being disgusting give us a go.

      1. Your mom taught me well

        1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
          Maborlz Ez-Hari

          I was a lousy student

          1. LOLLLLL
            good one. I’ll pay that. :)))

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar

      No. Because they ARE STUPID. And if you need to ask …well …

      1. Lol and your drivel isn’t biased… of course.
        Btw I noticed you didn’t show empathy, according to your “logic”, you must be “STUPID”!

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          I didn’t have any empathy for the kid who had his hand run over while trying to steal a hubcap, or the woman who scalded herself with a fresh cup of coffee while driving, but I’m sure you agreed with the courts who allowed them success suing others for their ‘mistakes’. There, see? I corrected my ’empathies’ – we agree everyone is allowed to make a mistake. Even if stupid. You SURE you are not a Jewish Lawyer?? ;-))

          But I know I should feel SO SORRY for those who got sucked into walking into the whole situation with HUGE MASSES of very afraid and paranoid people … just like themselves.

          1. but they were providing spine-tents.
            You should’ve gone.
            Imagine you and mekhh converged, you two would become one spineless inferiority complex, white supremacist.

  7. nagy_michael2 Avatar
    nagy_michael2

    I wish all Nusra and ISIS attend Hajj and they all stampede each other. that would be Party..

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Need to ‘up’ the numbers in that case … They are only averaging 230 a day at the moment …

      1. Killing a few more “brown” kids per day would satisfy your lust for death and miserY?!

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Only the ones who think you are smart running around a black rock in the sand to ‘be healthy’.

          1. I hear honey is good for skin. You should apply liberally and then go nude in the wild

  8. Hind Abyad Avatar

    Hajj carnage ’caused by roadblocks when VIPs visited Saudi King’
    Police accused of causing fatal congestion by blocking off roads during VIP visit to King Salman’s palace

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11892425/Hajj-stampede-carnage-caused-by-roadblocks-set-up-for-VIP-visit.html

    1. How about providing links from neutral sites instead of Shiite sites or sites associated with Shiites.

      ” the head of Iran’s Hajj pilgrimage, Said Ohadi, said two paths had been sealed near the site where the stampede occurred for “unknown reasons”

      Very reliable source on this issue. That’s akin to asking a rapist, who is the victim.

      You keep proving your shite colors :))))

        1. Lol geez you are dumb!
          Learn to read and UNDERSTAND what you read ya ba2ra

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Learn to read and UNDERSTAND what you read, Mr Bye

          2. Sweetie, everyone knows you are the shite queen of byes. Stop projecting and parroting you ba2ra

        2. Mohammad Jafari is a Iranian. Provide articles that aren’t quoting Iranians, are impartial and independent.
          None of these Iranian said this and Iranian said that BS!!
          Dumb ba2ra

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Yah … AND that site is curiously among ‘The Family’ of ‘opinion blogs’ – it recognized me although I’ve never been on it. Wowsers …. ‘THEY’ are pegging us ALL these days by the ‘connections’ … and usually because Microsoft and GOOGLE are buying up everything … forcing one to ‘be connected’ – One really needs to ‘turn off’ a lot of things in ‘settings’.

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar

          I’ll stick with the guy interviewed on CBC… the crowd becomes inherently unmanageable – especially in a confined location. This has been seen in various Stadiums or Dance Clubs too – when an expected way of travel or escape is not appearing to be one, and the front of a ‘movement’ turns to go back, but can’t – and the back of it is still moving forward. Panic and desperation set in quickly, in a crush attempting to simply breath a few times a minute – when a chest cannot expand, it’s like drowning.
          Add on another small factor … the ‘rush’ to help or to see syndrome. (like people slowing at accident scenes on a road, and causing another accident) The ones still moving forward say ‘Oh what’s going on up there?’ or ‘Somebody should help. Let me through.’
          And as everyone likes to say, at that point, survival is simply in the hands of a god.
          You can have a ‘crowd of one mind’ happily moving in the directions of the one-way signs at one minute, and then suddenly two crowds of two different minds competing for the same space. Logictics don’t support the movement, and simple Physics takes over.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            What is REALLY needed for future events of such single-minded magnitude, is a way to disburse a huge cloud of a ‘happy-knock-out’ GAS … If everyone simply fell down and stopped pushing, the odds are no-one would die, unless they were unlucky enough to fall under the Fat One when she stopped singing.
            Then the ‘medics’ could just step carefully in, move and realign them all facing in the right direction, an ‘overseer’ blows a whistle, the medics give them a wake-up shot, and say: ‘ALLAH SAVES’ – Go That way.

          2. The cbc article is the only that doesn’t throw around wild Iranian accusations

          3. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Hajj carnage ’caused by roadblocks when VIPs visited Saudi King’ Nothing to do with your “factors” analysis.

            Colin Freeman, Chief foreign correspondent. Not Iranian.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11892425/Hajj-stampede-carnage-caused-by-roadblocks-set-up-for-VIP-visit.html

  9. Hind Abyad Avatar

    “The Saudis say after every disaster ‘it is God’s will’. It is not God’s will – it is man’s incompetence”

    1. Quoting a Shiite! Interesting. But yeh you are not Shiite. Taqqiya

      1. Hind Abyad Avatar

        We saw them say that in “Laurence of Arabia” who was not Shiite.

        1. prove that’s where you got it from

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar

            The film is public, accomplished Idiot. Look how tribes killed each other.
            Arab is symbol of disunion.

          2. dumb slag lied and now can’t prove its lies.

    2. shicum licum assdicum wa anpee khara eetacum shikhara shikhara mehdicum

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