4 Iranian Christians get 80 lashes for communion wine

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wine communion iran 80 lashesFour Iranian Christians were reportedly sentenced to 80 lashes for drinking wine for communion, a shocking punishment meted out even as a new United Nations report blasted the Islamic republic for its systematic persecution of non-Muslims.

The four men were sentenced Oct. 6 after being arrested in a house church last December and charged with consuming alcohol in violation of the theocracy’s strict laws, according to Christian Solidarity Worldwide. They were among several Christians punished for their faith in a nation where converting from Islam to Christianity can bring the death penalty. According to a new October UN report by Ahmed Shaheed, UN special rapporteur on human rights in Iran, such persecution is common, despite new President Hasan Rouhani’s pledge to be a moderate.

“At least 20 Christians were in custody in July 2013,” Shaheed wrote. “In addition, violations of the rights of Christians, particularly those belonging to evangelical Protestant groups, many of whom are converts, who proselytize to and serve Iranian Christians of Muslim background, continue to be reported.”

“If the regime thinks that its international charm offensive will help whitewash its appalling human rights record as documented by the UN report, they are sorely mistaken.”
– Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee

Iran’s regime has made stopping the spread of Christianity a cornerstone of its crackdown on religious freedom. There are estimated to be as many as 370,000 Christians in Iran, according to the most recent U.S. State Department report. The clerical rulers see Christianity as a threat to Iran’s majority ultra-orthodox Shiite Islamic religion.

“Despite the recent Iranian charm offensive, Dr. Shaheed’s report reminds us of the true nature of the Iranian regime where the abuse of human rights continue,” Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), chairman and founder of the Iran Dissident Awareness Program, told FoxNews.com. “Political prisoners like blogger Mohammad Reza Pourshajari are being denied adequate medical care, journalists and their families continue to be targets of the regime, Pastor Saeed Abedini and Amir Hekmati are still languishing in prison and the Baha’i community faces increasing persecution. This is the true nature of the regime we’re dealing with during negotiations in Geneva.”

Alireza Miryousefi,a spokesman for Iran’s mission to the UN, did not respond to requests for comment, but Iran’s government blasted Dr. Shaheed’s report as not objective. According to Iran’s state-controlled news outlet Press TV, an Iranian official from the UN mission said Shaheed “has not paid sufficient notice to Iran’s legal system and Islamic culture and considers whatever he sees in the West as an international standard for the entire world.”

Shaheed is widely considered to be one of the world’s leading authorities on human rights. He served as the minister of foreign Affairs of the Republic of Maldives.

“It should be no surprise that Iran’s human rights record as documented by the UN is nothing short of atrocious,” Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told FoxNews.com. “If the regime thinks that its international charm offensive will help whitewash its appalling human rights record as documented by the UN report, they are sorely mistaken.”

The UN reported noted Iran’s “Authorities continue to compel licensed Protestant churches to restrict Persian-speaking and Muslim-born Iranians from participating in services, and raids and forced closures of house churches are ongoing…More than 300 Christians have been arrested since 2010, and dozens of church leaders and active community members have reportedly been convicted of national security crimes in connection with church activities, such as organizing prayer groups, proselytizing and attending Christian seminars abroad. “

On Monday, a retired California pastor, Eddie Romero, managed to sneak into Iran to demand the release of imprisoned Iranian Christians. Pastor Romero protested in front of Iran’s notorious Evin prison, declaring “Let my people go.” Prison officials detained Romero and he was sent back to the U.S. Romero sought to shine a spotlight on the plight of imprisoned Christian Iranians, including Farshid Fathi, the American-Iranian pastor Saeed Abedini, Mostafa Bordbar, and Alireza Seyyedian.

The four Christian Iranians sentenced to 80 lashes for violating Iran’s anti-alcohol law have ten days to appeal their verdict.

“The sentences handed down to these members of the Church of Iran effectively criminalize the Christian sacrament of sharing in the Lord’s Supper and constitute an unacceptable infringement on the right to practice faith freely and peaceably,” Mervyn Thomas, chief executive of Christian Solidarity Worldwide, said.

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114 responses to “4 Iranian Christians get 80 lashes for communion wine”

  1. 5thDrawer Avatar

    For simply practicing a religion. Not for running around with guns shooting anyone in sight.
    As in Tripoli.
    Seems a little more serious than making a law asking that faces be open and honest, instead of hidden.
    80 lashes can kill. The slow strangulation hanging might be more humane.
    Open the doors and let all the Christians out of the country. Lebanon would take them …..

    1. Peaceforleb Avatar
      Peaceforleb

      Shit 5th, if they got 80, I wouldn’t what to imagine how much you’d get with all the consuming you do. Suggestion, stay the hell away from Iran. Lol

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        Geezz Peace …. If they gave me a 35-yr before, I wouldn’t even feel it. :-)))
        But yah .. I don’t have it at the top of my holiday list for sure.
        And that Church wine is watered down anyway …. 😉

      2. wargame1 Avatar

        The Alawite Leader al-Nusayri (founder of the Syrian Nusayriyya) considered homosexuality to be not only lawful, but one of the pleasures permitted by god!!!! Watch in the following video how the Alawites worship Assad and brag on national TV: “Assad is our Lord” “We will push Allah into a corner” “We worship Bashar al-Assad before Allah..”

        Watch Youtube video

        /watch?v=KYxBEIg6d-o

        /watch?v=KkiBXZCueeY

        /watch?v=-LtUnCnbGwc

    2. wargame1 Avatar

      The Alawite thinks wine is holy and Iranian regime support them. Well this wine thing is just an excuse to lynch someone who differ with them. The strategy is when you want to attack someone unjustly you need a pretext such as 911 London 7/7 bombing ,Beheading Journalist and then blame this on the target group.Sometimes you need to create such groups who would take responsibility of such crime in return of some benefit. Once you successfully demonize them with character assassination you get popular support from the average sheep to carry on your adventure. The rest who ever challenge you become “terrorist Sympathizer” and it become easy to eliminate them with a popular support. Remember “Either you are with us or with the terrorist” During the medieval period in Europe there were “Witch Hunting” and who ever disobey the command of the ruler could be a witch and killed. So do not take those accusation seriously and emphasize more in finding the ulterior motive of this persecution. If you are influenced by the wine story then you are buying their snake oil.

      1. Peaceforleb Avatar
        Peaceforleb

        Just a question Wargame. Who told you the Alawites believe that wine is holy. Oh I know, a hadith. Good old Hadith. Man you really are a lunatic, aren’t you. If the holy book says alcohol is forbidden, then why would you make such a claim with obviously no hard evidence. I tell Wargame, im a Muslim, and I would rather drink alcohol than decapitate another human whilst screaming out Allah Akbar in hope Allah hears my cry’s and prepares 72 virgins for me. Before critizing other peoples religion, its best you look in you own back yard and fix you own shortfalls. Just some free advise for you.

        1. wargame1 Avatar

          Why are you telling me all this like a lunatic? If you like alchohol then drink to your hearts content. Do you need my permission? You have the right to follow your belief and I have the right to follow mine. So dont bother me with nonsense

          1. master09 Avatar

            Well wargame you said once that islam is the fastest growing and one day going past Christians not because Christians are becoming muslims so lets get that correct. Well this is one reason out of ten why…let me give you a couple.

            1. You die if you leave islam.

            2. Christians can not practice in open so hard for the thousands of muslims wanting to become Christians, hey.
            They were among several Christians punished for their faith in a nation where converting from Islam to Christianity can bring the death penalty.
            This is not the only Islamic nation that does this.
            3.They have average 10 kids each popping out like choc machine.
            4. You will be killed if u say the word Allah in a country. WOW.
            the list goes on and on, in western nations you can built 100 prey houses but in the ME how many churches can you build in 20 years.. for sure Christianity will not grow faster if rues like this go on… Lets move all these laws and I bet you 50% will convert to Christianity………simple facts because in Africa they are converting by the millions….

          2. wargame1 Avatar

            Before the advent of Islam the number of Christians were more in the middle east area and they reverted to Islam. Islam is indeed a fastest growing religion on the planet. Muslims Converting by millions to Christianity sounds fairy tail. The prophets themselves will have a belly laugh if they hear this.No one die if they leave Islam.during the time of the prophet some Jew and Christian falsely converted to Islam and then left Islam then started preaching evil against Islam. So their intention was not to revert at all. The Prophet made a temporary law against those groups and if any one leave Islam after then the penalty is death. After this verdict those fake conversion was completely stopped. Well I am happy to be a Muslim and you can google search about the Islams growth. I am not that interested to convince you. There are more important topic to be discussed

          3. master09 Avatar

            No wargame again you run away from truth and belly laughs GOOGLE …www.themuslimtimes.com and tell me is this belly laughs. This is only one area..
            Wargame really you are saying these muslim nations do not come down hard on Christians come on give me facts not stories from mohammed times where people where forced or had no chose..
            WHY IS IT GROWING GIVE ME FACTS.. NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE RUNNING TO IT…FACTS MATE…I do not need you to convince me I am in Africa to see this in front of my EYES DUDE…
            No they left islam back then because they found out the truth and because of this mohammed made this RULE ABOUT LEAVING AND IT WAS NOT TEMORARY BECAUSE IT STILL HAPPENS.. PLEASE YOUR WORDS GO BACK AND FORTH BUT MAKE LITTLE SENSE AND THATS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE LIGHT AND TRUTH…..

          4. master09 Avatar

            News of Muslims Leaving Islam

            According to research carried out by the respected Pakistani-born American Muslim Dr. Ilyas Ba-Yunus (1932 – 2007), 75% of New Muslim Converts in the US leave Islam within a few years. Listen to the clip detailing this research (listen on Youtube)

            2011 Pew worldwide study: “Islam loses as many adherents via conversion as it gains”

            2 million ethnic Muslims converted to Christianity in Russia

            “The number of ethnic Muslims in Russia who adopted Christianity is 2 million, while the number of the Orthodox who have been converted to Islam is only 2,5 thousand…The proportion of Muslims in North Ossetia has decreased at least by 30%, while in Beslan itself, where Muslims had comprised from 30 to 40% of the population, their number has decreased at least by half.”

            Roman Silantyev: executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia

            In Africa, 6 million muslims convert to Christianity every year: (English Translation | Arabic)

            “Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa [a land of 1 billion] has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa…In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed”.
            Or am I just talking

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar

            This is, of course, why the Al-Kabobolinks are against education. 😉

          6. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Before the advent of Islam … people got along better. Might as well say …..

          7. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            Your biased christian views are shining through

          8. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Cheers. 😉

          9. master09 Avatar

            Several million converts to Christianity in Egypt keeping their apostasy secret

            Preferring Jesus…

            The number of Muslim-born converts to Christianity in Egypt, who are keeping their faith secret, has reached several million. Due to the State Security’s persecution, torture and rape, they have established outside Egypt an organization called “Freed by Christ” as well as “Way TV” to speak on their behalf to the West, and expose their sufferings at the hands of State Security. It is headed by the Christian convert Dr. Mohamad Rahouna, ex-dean of the Faculty of Arabic Studies, Minya University, who fled to the United States.
            WHAT DOES THE STATE DO WHEN THEY FIND CONVERTS, COME ON WARGAME WHERE IS THE FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IN ISLAM..ALLOW PEOPLE TO THINK AND BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT AND ALL WOULD BE BETTER PEOPLE…SIMPLE FACTS

          10. master09 Avatar

            I will wait for your facts.lol

          11. master09 Avatar

            More important topics to talk about or is this your way to not give me facts. In every topic you rite about you go on and on for hours saying the same thing, but this you know the facts and you want to run from it. Lol

          12. Hannibal Avatar

            CORRECTION: Lets move all these laws and I bet you 99.99999% will convert to Christianity… Leaving Wargame as the only game in town. HAHAHAHA

        2. wargame1 Avatar

          The Alawites basic faith is that they believe that Ali created Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and Salman the Persian are the gate. We all know that Ali was prophet’s cousin. Wine is holy for Alawites and they do not pray. They do not have any mosque. The Alawite believe that the Woman dont have a soul. They do not read Quran and openly criticize it. Their Holy book is call “Kitab Al Majmu” and this book is kept secret among the top ranking Alawite priest. Few decades before one of the Alawite converted to Christianity and expose the Alawite faith in details and then he was burnt alive by the Alawites. When the French invaded Syria the Alawite cooperate with the French and got their French mandated Alawite state in Syria. The Alawites pretended as “Lost Christians” to the French so the Christian preachers approached them but the Alawites massacred some Christian nuns on July 27, 1924 and then the Christians realized that they are something else. The Ottomans built Mosque for the Alawites but the Alawites used to keep their cattle in the Mosque. These are savage Mountain people. The Alawites are very likely a Jewish tribe. They consider Jushua Ben nun as their prophet who was the Biblical Hebrew Hero. The Alawite believe that the whole mankind are in the darkness and only the Alawite has seen the lite! sounds like “Chosen People” to me . The Druze were also Alawite before but they split from the Alawites.These are not from the Islamic prophesy and I want you to do some research before lecturing others and get educated first

        3. wargame1 Avatar

          Google this “To My Alawi Sisters and Brothers” and “The Alawi Agenda in Syria”
          Israeli think tank Danial Bart will tell you more about the Alawites on JewishIdeas DOT net. Let me quote a paragraph so you may find it interesting to read more. It is about the Israeli plan A B and C regarding the Alawites.
          “Plan C: The Crypto-Jewish Alawi people in Syria would be seriously threatened with genocide after the regime were to suffer comprehensive, strategic military defeat which would leave Jerusalem little choice but to intervene militarily so as to prevent genocide against this very Jewish people.”

          Israeli defense Minister arranged the Alawite refuge camp long before and many Jews regard Bashar Al-Qaeda as the King of Israel!! To know more about the plan A and B read those two article.

          1. Hannibal Avatar

            OMG IF YOU JUST LISTEN TO YOURSELF! All of Israel and the diaspora and the Americans are plotting to bring Bashar down… In that case Bashar is not the King of Israel but according to your analysis he must be the dictator of Israel… I am no fan of Bashar and truthfully believe he did the Alaouites a disservice… However, Bashar is the ONLY man standing in the Arab world AGAINST the new world order besides Nasrallah. Now if you tell me he is a dictator and a murderer I would agree with you but the only Israeli lovers are the towel heads Saudis and Islamists who brought this nation back to the “jahiliyya”… Have a nice day!

        4. wargame1 Avatar

          In 1936 six Alawite notables sent a memorandum to Léon Blum, head of France’s Popular Front government. Among those six signatories one of them was Sulayman Al Assad a minor chief of the Kalbya Klan (Banu Kalb or Kalb tribe) the Grand Father father of Bashar Al Assad expressing their loyalty to France. Alawites(crypto Jew) were against Muslim Syria uniting with Muslim Palestine in favor of the Palestinian Jew.Please watch the youtube video to see the full text of that memorandum. Video Link bellow

          /watch?v=71DffZ0D59k

        5. wargame1 Avatar

          the theologian al-Ash’ari (874-936) held that ‘Alawism encourages male sodomy and incestuous marriages and the founder of the Druze religious doctrine, Hamza ibn ‘Ali (d. 1021), wrote that ‘Alawis consider “the male member entering the female nature to be the emblem of their spiritual doctrine.” Accordingly, ‘Alawi men freely share their wives with co-religionists. These and other accusations survived undiminished through the centuries and even circulated among Europeans. A British traveler of the early 1840s, who was probably repeating local rumors, wrote that “the institution of marriage is unknown. When a young man grows up he buys his wife.” Even ‘Alawis believed in the “conjugal communism” of their religious leaders. The Alawites believe that men were originally inhabitants of the skies but became men due to disobedience. They must be reborn until certificated, to return. Bad behavior can make them reborn as Christians or other people, infidelity as animals!! according to Alawite belief.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            ‘male member and female nature’ …..
            I have to say, wargame, that knowing of some things that happened in Tripoli lately, I’d believe Alawites hadn’t advanced in thinking since 900, even to be able to say penis and vagina … let alone the rather shorter time since your quotes from 1945. It must be a ‘breed’ in stasis.
            (need study of the Phrenology perhaps – brain constrictions)
            Or it IS, again, that wonderful but also constricting ‘religious’ bit that denies education at every opportunity. At least Christians have evolved somewhat in even a very short 70 years – although there are still some ‘out there’ who think alcohol should never pass their lips. Fortunately, we learned to ignore them.
            😉
            We also attempt to learn from ‘the history’ … not live in it.

        6. wargame1 Avatar

          Alawite “Spiritual marriages” between young (male) initiates and their religious mentors probably lie at the root of the charges of homosexuality. Most striking of all, ‘Alawis have no prayers or places of worship ; indeed they have no religious structures other than tomb shrines. Prayers take place in private houses, usually those of religious leaders. The fourteenth-century traveler Ibn Battuta described how they responded to a government decree ordering the construction of mosques: “Every village built a mosque far from the houses, which the villagers neither enter nor maintain. They often shelter cattle and asses in it. Often a stranger arrives and goes to the mosque to recite the [Islamic] call to prayer; then they yell to him, ‘Stop braying, your fodder is coming.’” Five centuries later another attempt was made to build mosques for the ‘Alawis, this time by the Ottoman authorities; despite official pressure, these were deserted, abandoned even by the religious functionaries, and once again used as barns.

        7. wargame1 Avatar

          A British traveler observed in 1697 that the ‘Alawis are
          of a strange and singular character. For ‘this their principle to adhere to no certain religion; but camelion-like, they put on the colour of religion, whatever it be, which is reflected upon them from the persons with whom they happen to converse…. No body was ever able to discover what shape or standard their consciences are really of. All that is certain concerning them is, that they make much and good wine, and are great drinkers.

        8. wargame1 Avatar

          Benjamin Disraeli described the ‘Alawis in a conversation in the novel Tancred:
          “Are they Moslemin?”
          “It is very easy to say what they are not, and that is about the extent of any knowledge we have of them; they are not Moslemin, they are not Christian, they are not Druzes, and they are not Jews, and certainly they are not Guebres [Zoroastrians].”

        9. wargame1 Avatar

          A defected Alawite Sulayman Efendi al-Adhani explained about the Alawites from within:
          “They take on the outward practices of all sects. If they meet [Sunni] Muslims, they swear to them and say, “We are like you, we fast and we pray.” But they fast improperly. If they enter a mosque with Muslims, they do not recite any of the prayers; instead, they lower and raise their bodies like the Muslims, while cursing Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Uthman, and other [major figures of the Sunni tradition].”

        10. wargame1 Avatar

          Taqiya permitted ‘Alawis to blow with the wind. When France ruled, they portrayed themselves as lost Christians. When Pan-Arabism was in favor, they became fervent Arabs. Over 10,000 ‘Alawis living in Damascus pretended to be Sunnis in the years before Asad came to power, only revealing their true identities when this became politically useful. During Asad’s presidency, concerted efforts were made to portray the ‘Alawis as Twelver Shi’is.

        11. wargame1 Avatar

          ‘Alawi resistance to Sunni rule took a new turn in 1939 with the launching of an armed rebellion led by Sulayman al-Murshid, the “half-sinister, half-ludicrous, figure of the obese, illiterate, miracle-working ‘god.’” Murshid, a bandit who proclaimed himself divine, challenged Sunni rule with French weapons and some 5,000 ‘Alawi followers. In the words of a 1944 British consular report: “The local Alaouite leaders, whose conception of the new order in Syria is a Nationalist Government who will treat them after the fashion of the French, upholding their authority and condoning their excesses, are doing their best to combine, and the movement appears to be supported by the French.” Murshid succeeded in keeping Damascus’ authority out of the ‘Alawi territories.

          Right up to independence, ‘Alawi leaders continued to submit petitions to the French in favor of continued French patronage. For example, a manifesto signed by twelve leaders in March 1945 called for all ‘Alawi soldiers to remain under French command and French arbitration of disputes between the ‘Alawi government and Damascus.

          1. Peaceforleb Avatar
            Peaceforleb

            Again, all your information is second hand. Tell me Wargame have you ever heard an Alawite tell this information first hand. All this copying and pasting has been a waste of time. I’m curious, would you expect people to believe all the sicking things that is said about the Sunni’s which can be found on google and youtube.

        12. man-o-war Avatar

          A british traveler in 1679 told wargame that the Alawites “make much wine and are good drinkers”. Also, in the year 906 a theologian said that the Alawite practice sodomy. Do you need more proof that the Alawite think wine is holy? Do you think Wargame is an Alawite that is practicing Taqiya? We will never know the truth.

          1. Peaceforleb Avatar
            Peaceforleb

            Well Man O, you are right, we will never know the truth. That is except for one thing which we have plenty of hard evidence. WARGAME IS A LUNATIC.

        13. Hannibal Avatar

          That is ONE GOOD reason to convert to Christianity Peace… Wine is really good. LOL

          1. Peaceforleb Avatar
            Peaceforleb

            Like I said in the past Hannibal, I am not a psychopathic Muslim. Hint Hint. Lol.

    3. master09 Avatar

      Can they swap them for the crap we have…

      1. terrorist palestinians get sent to Iran, and Christians from there go to Lebanon 🙂 What better solution than this

        1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
          hezzies are terrorists

          how about terrorist jews get sent back to europe or hell or wherever they came from and the hezzies get sent to iran and the christians get sent to Palestine.

          1. man-o-war Avatar

            How about Christians and Jews to Israel, Muslims to Saudia Arabia, and leave Lebanon for the Lebanese.

          2. Hannibal Avatar

            I am a Lebanese Christian and you are confusing me… Should I send my Christian half to Palestine? LOL

          3. man-o-war Avatar

            Sorry for the confusion. I never thought about that. I guess you can have a winter home in Israel and spend your summers in Lebanon. How does that sound? Maybe we should wait for the experts on the matter to respond. Hezzie and Heraclitus what do you guys think?

          4. @hbarca:disqus the Golan Heights is fun in the winter with all the snow =) Ive had such good childhood memories from there loool

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I had contemplated one of those warm climes on retirement, for winters … and then, ‘POOF’. Costa Rica is looking very good these days ….

          6. What is palestine, never heard of it lol

          7. ya except 50% of Jewish Israelis are from Arabic countries and 20% are Muslim.

        2. IraniAngel Avatar
          IraniAngel

          no way!!!! christian iranians BELONG to iran like every other iranian!!!!!! and we dont want more arabs for obvious reasons

  2. 5thDrawer Avatar

    For simply practicing a religion. Not for running around with guns shooting anyone in sight.
    As in Tripoli.
    Seems a little more serious than making a law asking that faces be open and honest, instead of hidden.
    80 lashes can kill. The slow strangulation hanging might be more humane.
    Open the doors and let all the Christians out of the country. Lebanon would take them …..

    1. Peaceforleb Avatar
      Peaceforleb

      Shit 5th, if they got 80, I wouldn’t what to imagine how much you’d get with all the consuming you do. Suggestion, stay the hell away from Iran. Lol

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        Geezz Peace …. If they gave me a 35-yr before, I wouldn’t even feel it. :-)))
        But yah .. I don’t have it at the top of my holiday list for sure.

      2. wargame1 Avatar

        The Alawite Leader al-Nusayri (founder of the Syrian Nusayriyya) considered homosexuality to be not only lawful, but one of the pleasures permitted by god!!!! Watch in the following video how the Alawites worship Assad and brag on national TV: “Assad is our Lord” “We will push Allah into a corner” “We worship Bashar al-Assad before Allah..”

        Watch Youtube video

        /watch?v=KYxBEIg6d-o

        /watch?v=KkiBXZCueeY

        /watch?v=-LtUnCnbGwc

    2. wargame1 Avatar

      The Alawite thinks wine is holy and Iranian regime support them. Well this wine thing is just an excuse to lynch someone who differ with them. The strategy is when you want to attack someone unjustly you need a pretext such as 911 London 7/7 bombing ,Beheading Journalist and then blame this on the target group.Sometimes you need to create such groups who would take responsibility of such crime in return of some benefit. Once you successfully demonize them with character assassination you get popular support from the average sheep to carry on your adventure. The rest who ever challenge you become “terrorist Sympathizer” and it become easy to eliminate them with a popular support. Remember “Either you are with us or with the terrorist” During the medieval period in Europe there were “Witch Hunting” and who ever disobey the command of the ruler could be a witch and killed. So do not take those accusation seriously and emphasize more on the ulterior motive of this persecution. If you are influenced by the wine story then you are buying their snake oil.

      1. Peaceforleb Avatar
        Peaceforleb

        Just a question Wargame. Who told you the Alawites believe that wine is holy. Oh I know, a hadith. Good old Hadith. Man you really are a lunatic, aren’t you. If the holy book says alcohol is forbidden, then why would you make such a claim with obviously no hard evidence. I tell Wargame, im a Muslim, and I would rather drink alcohol than decapitate another human whilst screaming out Allah Akbar in hope Allah hears my cry’s and prepares 72 virgins for me. Before critizing other peoples religion, its best you look in you own back yard and fix you own shortfalls. Just some free advise for you.

        1. wargame1 Avatar

          Why are you telling me all this like a lunatic? If you like alchohol then drink with hearts content. Do you need my permission? You have the right to follow your belief and I have the right to follow mine. So dont bother me with nonsense

          1. master09 Avatar

            Well wargame you said once that islam is the fastest growing and one day going past Christians not because Christians are becoming muslims so lets get that correct. Well this is one reason out of ten why…let me give you a couple.

            1. You die if you leave islam.

            2. Christians can not practice in open so hard for the thousands of muslims wanting to become Christians, hey.
            They were among several Christians punished for their faith in a nation where converting from Islam to Christianity can bring the death penalty.
            This is not the only Islamic nation that does this.
            3.They have average 10 kids each popping out like choc machine.
            4. You will be killed if u say the word Allah in a country. WOW.
            the list goes on and on, in western nations you can built 100 prey houses but in the ME how many churches can you build in 20 years.. for sure Christianity will not grow faster if rues like this go on… Lets move all these laws and I bet you 50% will convert to Christianity………simple facts because in Africa they are converting by the millions….

          2. wargame1 Avatar

            Before the advent of Islam the number of Christians were more and they reverted to Islam. Islam is indeed a fastest growing religion on the planet. Converting by millions sounds fairy tail. The prophets themselves will have a belly laugh if they hear this.No one die if they leave Islam.during the time of the prophet some Jew and Christian falsely converted to Islam and then left Islam then started preaching evil against Islam. So their intention was not to revert at all. The Prophet made a temporary law against those groups and if any one leave Islam after then the penalty is death. After this verdict those fake conversion was completely stopped. Well I am happy to be a Muslim and you can google search about the Islams growth. I am not that interested to convince you. There are more important topic to be discussed

          3. master09 Avatar

            No wargame again you run away from truth and belly laughs GOOGLE …www.themuslimtimes.com and tell me is this belly laughs. This is only one area..
            Wargame really you are saying these muslim nations do not come down hard on Christians come on give me facts not stories from mohammed times where people where forced or had no chose..
            WHY IS IT GROWING GIVE ME FACTS.. NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE RUNNING TO IT…FACTS MATE…I do not need you to convince me I am in Africa to see this in front of my EYES DUDE…
            No they left islam back then because they found out the truth and because of this mohammed made this RULE ABOUT LEAVING AND IT WAS NOT TEMORARY BECAUSE IT STILL HAPPENS.. PLEASE YOUR WORDS GO BACK AND FORTH BUT MAKE LITTLE SENSE AND THATS BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE LIGHT AND TRUTH…..

          4. master09 Avatar

            News of Muslims Leaving Islam

            According to research carried out by the respected Pakistani-born American Muslim Dr. Ilyas Ba-Yunus (1932 – 2007), 75% of New Muslim Converts in the US leave Islam within a few years. Listen to the clip detailing this research (listen on Youtube)

            2011 Pew worldwide study: “Islam loses as many adherents via conversion as it gains”

            2 million ethnic Muslims converted to Christianity in Russia

            “The number of ethnic Muslims in Russia who adopted Christianity is 2 million, while the number of the Orthodox who have been converted to Islam is only 2,5 thousand…The proportion of Muslims in North Ossetia has decreased at least by 30%, while in Beslan itself, where Muslims had comprised from 30 to 40% of the population, their number has decreased at least by half.”

            Roman Silantyev: executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia

            In Africa, 6 million muslims convert to Christianity every year: (English Translation | Arabic)

            “Islam used to represent, as you previously mentioned, Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages that used to be written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa [a land of 1 billion] has diminished to 316 million, half of whom are Arabs in North Africa…In every hour, 667 Muslims convert to Christianity. Everyday, 16,000 Muslims convert to Christianity. Ever year, 6 million Muslims convert to Christianity. These numbers are very large indeed”.
            Or am I just talking

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar

            This is, of course, why the Al-Kabobolinks are against education. 😉

          6. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Before the advent of Islam … people got along better. Might as well say …..

          7. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
            hezzies are terrorists

            Your biased christian views are shining through

          8. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Cheers. 😉

          9. master09 Avatar

            Several million converts to Christianity in Egypt keeping their apostasy secret

            Preferring Jesus…

            The number of Muslim-born converts to Christianity in Egypt, who are keeping their faith secret, has reached several million. Due to the State Security’s persecution, torture and rape, they have established outside Egypt an organization called “Freed by Christ” as well as “Way TV” to speak on their behalf to the West, and expose their sufferings at the hands of State Security. It is headed by the Christian convert Dr. Mohamad Rahouna, ex-dean of the Faculty of Arabic Studies, Minya University, who fled to the United States.
            WHAT DOES THE STATE DO WHEN THEY FIND CONVERTS, COME ON WARGAME WHERE IS THE FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IN ISLAM..ALLOW PEOPLE TO THINK AND BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT AND ALL WOULD BE BETTER PEOPLE…SIMPLE FACTS

          10. master09 Avatar

            I will wait for your facts.lol

          11. master09 Avatar

            More important topics to talk about or is this your way to not give me facts. In every topic you rite about you go on and on for hours saying the same thing, but this you know the facts and you want to run from it. Lol

          12. Hannibal Avatar

            CORRECTION: Lets move all these laws and I bet you 99.99999% will convert to Christianity… Leaving Wargame as the only game in town. HAHAHAHA

        2. wargame1 Avatar

          The Alawites basic faith is that they believe that Ali created Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) and Salman the Persian are the gate. Wine is holy for them and they do not pray. They do not have any mosque. The Alawite believe that the Woman dont have a soul. They do not read Quran and openly criticize it. Their Holy book is call “Kitab Al Majmu” and this book is keept secret among the top ranking Alawite priest. Few decades before one of the Alawite converted to Christianity and expose the Alawite faith in details and then he was burnt alive by the Alawites. When the French invaded Syria the Alawite cooperate with the French and got their French mandated Alawite state in Syria. The Alawites pretended as “Lost Christians” to the French so the Christian preachers approached them but the Alawites massacred some Christian nuns on July 27, 1924 and then the Christians realized that they are something else. The Alawites are very likely a Jewish tribe. They consider Jushua Ben nun as their prophet who was the Biblical Hebrew Hero. These are not from the Islamic prophesy and I want you to do some research before lecturing others and get educated first

        3. wargame1 Avatar

          Google this “To My Alawi Sisters and Brothers” and “The Alawi Agenda in Syria”
          Israeli think tank Danial Bert will tell you more about the Alawites on JewishIdeas DOT net

          1. Hannibal Avatar

            OMG IF YOU JUST LISTEN TO YOURSELF! All of Israel and the diaspora and the Americans are plotting to bring Bashar down… In that case Bashar is not the King of Israel but according to your analysis he must be the dictator of Israel… I am no fan of Bashar and truthfully believe he did the Alaouites a disservice… However, Bashar is the ONLY man standing in the Arab world AGAINST the new world order besides Nasrallah. Now if you tell me he is a dictator and a murderer I would agree with you but the only Israeli lovers are the towel heads Saudis and Islamists who brought this nation back to the “jahiliyya”… Have a nice day!

        4. wargame1 Avatar

          In 1936 six Alawite notables sent a memorandum to Léon Blum, head of France’s Popular Front government. Among those six signatories one of them was Sulayman Al Assad a minor chief of the Kalbya Klan (Banu Kalb or Kalb tribe) the Grand Father father of Bashar Al Assad expressing their loyalty to France. Alawites(crypto Jew) were against Muslim Syria uniting with Muslim Palestine in favor of the Palestinian Jew.Please watch the youtube video to see the full text of that memorandum. Video Link bellow

          /watch?v=71DffZ0D59k

        5. wargame1 Avatar

          the theologian al-Ash’ari (874-936) held that ‘Alawism encourages male sodomy and incestuous marriages and the founder of the Druze religious doctrine, Hamza ibn ‘Ali (d. 1021), wrote that ‘Alawis consider “the male member entering the female nature to be the emblem of their spiritual doctrine.” Accordingly, ‘Alawi men freely share their wives with co-religionists. These and other accusations survived undiminished through the centuries and even circulated among Europeans. A British traveler of the early 1840s, who was probably repeating local rumors, wrote that “the institution of marriage is unknown. When a young man grows up he buys his wife.” Even ‘Alawis believed in the “conjugal communism” of their religious leaders. The Alawites believe that men were originally inhabitants of the skies but became men due to disobedience. They must be reborn until certificated, to return. Bad behavior can make them reborn as Christians or other people, infidelity as animals!! according to Alawite belief.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            ‘male member and female nature’ …..
            I have to say, wargame, that knowing of some things that happened in Tripoli lately, I’d believe Alawites hadn’t advanced in thinking since 900, even to be able to say penis and vagina … let alone the rather shorter time since your quotes from 1945. It must be a ‘breed’ in stasis.
            (need study of Phrenology perhaps)
            Or it IS, again, that wonderful but constricting ‘religious’ bit that denies education at every opportunity. At least Christians have evolved somewhat in even a very short 70 years – although there are still some ‘out there’ who think alcohol should never pass their lips. Fortunately, we learned to ignore them.
            😉

        6. wargame1 Avatar

          Alawite “Spiritual marriages” between young (male) initiates and their religious mentors probably lie at the root of the charges of homosexuality. Most striking of all, ‘Alawis have no prayers or places of worship ; indeed they have no religious structures other than tomb shrines. Prayers take place in private houses, usually those of religious leaders. The fourteenth-century traveler Ibn Battuta described how they responded to a government decree ordering the construction of mosques: “Every village built a mosque far from the houses, which the villagers neither enter nor maintain. They often shelter cattle and asses in it. Often a stranger arrives and goes to the mosque to recite the [Islamic] call to prayer; then they yell to him, ‘Stop braying, your fodder is coming.’” Five centuries later another attempt was made to build mosques for the ‘Alawis, this time by the Ottoman authorities; despite official pressure, these were deserted, abandoned even by the religious functionaries, and once again used as barns.

        7. wargame1 Avatar

          A British traveler observed in 1697 that the ‘Alawis are
          of a strange and singular character. For ‘this their principle to adhere to no certain religion; but camelion-like, they put on the colour of religion, whatever it be, which is reflected upon them from the persons with whom they happen to converse…. No body was ever able to discover what shape or standard their consciences are really of. All that is certain concerning them is, that they make much and good wine, and are great drinkers.

        8. wargame1 Avatar

          Benjamin Disraeli described the ‘Alawis in a conversation in the novel Tancred:
          “Are they Moslemin?”
          “It is very easy to say what they are not, and that is about the extent of any knowledge we have of them; they are not Moslemin, they are not Christian, they are not Druzes, and they are not Jews, and certainly they are not Guebres [Zoroastrians].”

        9. wargame1 Avatar

          A defected Alawite Sulayman Efendi al-Adhani explained about the Alawites from within:
          “They take on the outward practices of all sects. If they meet [Sunni] Muslims, they swear to them and say, “We are like you, we fast and we pray.” But they fast improperly. If they enter a mosque with Muslims, they do not recite any of the prayers; instead, they lower and raise their bodies like the Muslims, while cursing Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Uthman, and other [major figures of the Sunni tradition].”

        10. wargame1 Avatar

          Taqiya permitted ‘Alawis to blow with the wind. When France ruled, they portrayed themselves as lost Christians. When Pan-Arabism was in favor, they became fervent Arabs. Over 10,000 ‘Alawis living in Damascus pretended to be Sunnis in the years before Asad came to power, only revealing their true identities when this became politically useful. During Asad’s presidency, concerted efforts were made to portray the ‘Alawis as Twelver Shi’is.

        11. wargame1 Avatar

          ‘Alawi resistance to Sunni rule took a new turn in 1939 with the launching of an armed rebellion led by Sulayman al-Murshid, the “half-sinister, half-ludicrous, figure of the obese, illiterate, miracle-working ‘god.’” Murshid, a bandit who proclaimed himself divine, challenged Sunni rule with French weapons and some 5,000 ‘Alawi followers. In the words of a 1944 British consular report: “The local Alaouite leaders, whose conception of the new order in Syria is a Nationalist Government who will treat them after the fashion of the French, upholding their authority and condoning their excesses, are doing their best to combine, and the movement appears to be supported by the French.” Murshid succeeded in keeping Damascus’ authority out of the ‘Alawi territories.

          Right up to independence, ‘Alawi leaders continued to submit petitions to the French in favor of continued French patronage. For example, a manifesto signed by twelve leaders in March 1945 called for all ‘Alawi soldiers to remain under French command and French arbitration of disputes between the ‘Alawi government and Damascus.

          1. Peaceforleb Avatar
            Peaceforleb

            Again, all your information is second hand. Tell me Wargame have you ever heard an Alawite tell this information first hand. All this copying and pasting has been a waste of time. I’m curious, would you expect people to believe all the sicking things that is said about the Sunni’s which can be found on google and youtube.

        12. man-o-war Avatar

          A british traveler in 1679 told wargame that the Alawites “make much wine and are good drinkers”. Also, in the year 906 a theologian said that the Alawite practice sodomy. Do you need more proof that the Alawite think wine is holy? Do you think Wargame is an Alawite that is practicing Taqiya? We will never know the truth.

          1. Peaceforleb Avatar
            Peaceforleb

            Well Man O, you are right, we will never know the truth. That is except for one thing which we have plenty of hard evidence. WARGAME IS A LUNATIC.

        13. Hannibal Avatar

          That is ONE GOOD reason to convert to Christianity Peace… Wine is really good. LOL

          1. Peaceforleb Avatar
            Peaceforleb

            Like I said in the past Hannibal, I am not a psychopathic Muslim. Hint Hint. Lol.

    3. master09 Avatar

      Can they swap them for the crap we have…

      1. Heraclitus Avatar
        Heraclitus

        terrorist palestinians get sent to Iran, and Christians from there go to Lebanon 🙂 What better solution than this

        1. hezzies are terrorists Avatar
          hezzies are terrorists

          how about terrorist jews get sent back to europe or hell or wherever they came from and the hezzies get sent to iran and the christians get sent to Palestine.

          1. man-o-war Avatar

            How about Christians and Jews to Israel, Muslims to Saudia Arabia, and leave Lebanon for the Lebanese.

          2. Hannibal Avatar

            I am a Lebanese Christian and you are confusing me… Should I send my Christian half to Palestine? LOL

          3. man-o-war Avatar

            Sorry for the confusion. I never thought about that. I guess you can have a winter home in Israel and spend your summers in Lebanon. How does that sound? Maybe we should wait for the experts on the matter to respond. Hezzie and Heraclitus what do you guys think?

          4. Heraclitus Avatar
            Heraclitus

            @hbarca:disqus the Golan Heights is fun in the winter =) Ive had such good childhood memories from there loool

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I had contemplated one of those warm climes on retirement for winters … and then, ‘POOF’.

          6. Heraclitus Avatar
            Heraclitus

            What is palestine, never heard of it lol

          7. Heraclitus Avatar
            Heraclitus

            ya except 50% of Jewish Israelis are from Arabic countries and 20% are Muslim.

        2. IraniAngel Avatar
          IraniAngel

          no way!!!! christian iranians BELONG to iran like every other iranian!!!!!! and we dont want more arabs for obvious reasons

  3. nagy_michael2 Avatar
    nagy_michael2

    Yah and the Hezbollah in Lebanon always claim that them and Iran never hurt christians. Killing people is allowed but
    communion wine is a sin.. Hypocrytes and deceitful religion. mullahs are no different than Al Qaida. I hope that Israel destroy them..

  4. nagy_michael2 Avatar
    nagy_michael2

    Yah and the Hezbollah in Lebanon always claim that them and Iran never hurt christians. Killing people is allowed but
    communion wine is a sin.. Hypocrytes and deceitful religion. mullahs are no different than Al Qaida. I hope that Israel destroy them..

  5. Hannibal Avatar

    The Iranian Muslims are trying to keep the wine for themselves… 😉

    1. Its a fact that the mullahs drink alcohol more than anyone else

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        What?? More than the Saudis who ‘holiday’ in Beirut?? :-)))

        1. Anyone else in Iran I mean :-)) Saudis probably sniff oil in order to get high

      2. IraniAngel Avatar
        IraniAngel

        so true… thats why they are so divooooooooooooone!!!!

    2. IraniAngel Avatar
      IraniAngel

      iranian muslims???? what iranian muslims??? they are no where near

  6. Hannibal Avatar

    The Iranian Muslims are trying to keep the wine for themselves… 😉

    1. Heraclitus Avatar
      Heraclitus

      Its a fact that the mullahs drink alcohol more than anyone else

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar

        What?? More than the Saudis who ‘holiday’ in Beirut?? :-)))

        1. Heraclitus Avatar
          Heraclitus

          Anyone else in Iran I mean :-)) Saudis probably sniff oil in order to get high

      2. IraniAngel Avatar
        IraniAngel

        so true… thats why they are so divooooooooooooone!!!!

    2. IraniAngel Avatar
      IraniAngel

      iranian muslims???? what iranian muslims??? they are no where near

  7. I want to ask liban1 with his love of Aoun what he think about this article !!! .

  8. I want to ask liban1 with his love of Aoun what he think about this article !!! .

  9. Palestine will never exist – ill tell you guys a secret; Israel is going to annex Area C
    mouhahhahaha

    1. IraniAngel Avatar
      IraniAngel

      sure palestine will exist and that will happen the day the oil is gone.

  10. Heraclitus Avatar
    Heraclitus

    Palestine will never exist – ill tell you guys a secret; Israel is going to annex Area C
    mouhahhahaha

    1. IraniAngel Avatar
      IraniAngel

      sure palestine will exist and that will happen the day the oil is gone.

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