Islamists Step Up Attacks on Christians in Egypt

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poster stop murdering christians in  egyptNAZLA, Egypt — The call for revenge raced through this village southwest of the capital and echoed from the loudspeakers of mosques last week as the military invaded two protest camps in Cairo, killing hundreds of supporters of the deposed president, Mohamed Morsi.

“El-Sisi is killing our children,” a man screamed, referring to Egypt’s defense minister, Gen. Abdul-Fattah el-Sisi. “Muslims, come out of your homes!”

Hundreds of Islamists poured into the street, torching, looting and smashing the village’s two churches and a nearby monastery, lashing out so ferociously that marble altars were left in broken heaps on the floor.

Over the next few days, a wave of similar attacks on the Coptic Christian minority washed over the country as Islamists set upon homes and churches, shops and schools, youth clubs and at least one orphanage, killing at least three people, according to an Egyptian human rights group. As Christians were scapegoated for supporting the military ouster of Mr. Morsi, the authorities stood by and watched: in Nazla, as in other places, the army and the police made no attempt to intervene.

A police station in the area had been attacked before the churches. Ebraam Sami, who lives near one of the gutted churches, said fire trucks appeared on the edge of the town, but never entered. “They said it was difficult,” he said.

Leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Islamist party that propelled Mr. Morsi to power, encouraged or tolerated incitement against Christians at their sit-ins, but they have started belatedly to condemn the attacks. And the military-backed government, which has done little to protect Christians, is now trying to capitalize on the church burnings to try to paint the Brotherhood as terrorists.

Nazla and other Egyptian villages and cities have been left to cope with the war between the Islamists and the military, as politics rekindles sectarian violence that has long troubled the country. And Egypt’s Coptic Christians — discriminated against and marginalized under President Hosni Mubarak, and alarmed as Islamists have won elections over the last two years — have suddenly found themselves more threatened than before.

At its churches on Monday, Christians here said they had spent days in their homes, after recognizing some of their neighbors in the attacking mobs.

poster stop destroying the churchesThe Rev. Maged Wadie Riyad, the pastor of an evangelical church in the nearby village of Zerby, which was also looted last week, said Mr. Morsi’s government had intensified decades of tensions between Egypt’s Muslim majority and Christians, who make up roughly 10 percent of the population.

“We don’t have the culture of tolerance, or accepting one another, especially in the rural areas,” Mr. Riyad said. Mr. Morsi, who never visited a church during his year as president — even after episodes of combustible intercommunal violence — “widened the gap,” the pastor said.

Somehow, no one was killed in the attacks on the churches in Zerby or in Nazla, where early-morning services at one church had ended about an hour before the mob arrived.

Elsewhere, the violence took a toll. Farther south in Minya, where at least three people were killed, days of violence only quieted on Sunday, according to Ishaq Ibrahim, who tracks attacks on Christians for the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights, in Cairo.

The days after the authorities stormed the Morsi supporters’ encampments in Cairo “were very tough,” Mr. Ibrahim said. “There were a series of attacks on churches, schools, civic organizations, orphanages and monasteries. Almost everything that had to do with the church,” he said.

Among the dead were two security guards who worked on a tour boat owned by Christians and were burned to death, he said.

A Coptic Christian group, the Maspero Youth Union, recorded at least six deaths and the destruction of at least 38 churches, as well as attacks on at least 23 more. An activist with the group, Beshoy Tamry, primarily blamed Islamist leaders for “charging their followers with hate” and trying to destabilize the country by attacking its weakest citizens.

The government, though, was hardly blameless, he said.

“I think the state wasn’t serious about protecting churches,” Mr. Tamry said. “They know who is going to do what, especially in Minya. The attacks have happened before.”

Religious leaders have made little attempt to calm tensions. On Monday, a Brotherhood spokesman, Ahmed Aref, played down any culpability by the Islamist movement, blaming “foolish boys” for carrying out the attacks on the churches and the security services for failing to prevent them, suggesting a conspiracy. “It is burning with cunningness,” he said in a statement.

And in recent days, the leadership of the Coptic Church has embraced the military’s narrative of the conflict, praising the security forces in their fight against “terrorism” and blaming foreign news media for misreporting events.

The signs of trouble started to appear in Nazla about two weeks before the attack, when Mr. Sami and many of the almost 300 Christian families in the village started to see graffiti on their homes. On his house, the writing said: “We’ll protect legitimacy with our blood,” a mantra of Mr. Morsi’s supporters, who have insisted that he be restored to power.

The first attack was on the Church of the Virgin Mary, which opened in April after local Christians spent 13 years collecting money and building a church, a school, a youth center and a wedding hall. Atef Hosni, who works at the church, said the rampage seemed unplanned. He stood in the sooty remains of a computer lab, picking through the debris. “This room didn’t have anything to do with belief,” he said.

The mob moved on, torching the village’s old church, built in the 1930s, and a nearby monastery, where heat from the fire bent steel girders that once held up a roof.

At the same time, a crowd was attacking Christian homes and shops in Zerby, before arriving at the Mr. Riyad’s church, St. Demiana’s. “They broke through the gates and stole whatever they could,” he said. “What they couldn’t steal, they burned.” They also broke into his office, he said.

In the chaos, there was a moment of hope. Mr. Riyad said a Muslim resident stepped in and challenged the mob, “saying if they burned it, they should burn him as well.”

His actions saved the church from total destruction, the pastor said.

NY Times

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148 responses to “Islamists Step Up Attacks on Christians in Egypt”

  1. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    Only Christians run orphanages??? Isn’t that … errr .. typical. (see Tripoli Lebanon)
    Better the orphaned kids die on the street, than in an orphanage attacked by the frothing mouths, I suppose. But yes, I forgot … Ramadan is only one month, and Orphans are like that all their lives.
    The ‘tops’ would need to spend money.

    “It is burning with cunningness”, he said …. Yes, and we know who’s, you idiot.
    If someone on those stupid loudspeakers which ruin the peace and quiet every day yelled: “Christians, come out of your homes!”, you can bet they wouldn’t. They would think it was a trap.

    I wonder if the Saudi Money will go into rebuilding ALL of these places … hmmmm …

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      ” Fire-trucks appeared on the edge of the town, but never entered. “They said it was difficult,” ….
      Can’t blame the firemen I guess. Similar to my friend’s home in Tripoli when the idiots in a street battle started the fire in the store below it, and firemen would not drive into the battle zone, so it burned for 8 hrs and ruined the whole building instead of only the store, putting several people out of their homes and killing a sleeping man inhaling the smoke and fumes through his window in another.
      Anyone hear the word ‘compensation’?? Hahahahahahaa

  2. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    Only Christians run orphanages??? Isn’t that … errr .. typical. (see Tripoli Lebanon)
    Better the orphaned kids die on the street, than in an orphanage attacked by the frothing mouths, I suppose. But yes, I forgot … Ramadan is only one month, and Orphans are like that all their lives.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      ” Fire-trucks appeared on the edge of the town, but never entered. “They said it was difficult,” ….
      Can’t blame the firemen I guess. Similar to my friend’s home in Tripoli when the idiots in a street battle started the fire in the store below it, and firemen would not drive into the battle zone, so it burned for 8 hrs and ruined the whole building instead of only the store, putting several people out of their homes and killing a sleeping man inhaling the smoke and fumes through his window in another.
      Anyone hear the word ‘compensation’?? Hahahahahahaa

  3. master09 Avatar

    This is what happened on a bigger scale 1000 years ago all over the ME to the Christians, maybe its time that RED CROSS CAME OUT AGAIN….ON A BIGGER SCALE…….Yes 5th only Christians runs orphanages for ALL KIDS NO MATTER BLACK OR WHITE…

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        ‘Lady In Red’ … preferred. 😉

  4. master09 Avatar

    This is what happened on a bigger scale 1000 years ago all over the ME to the Christians, maybe its time that RED CROSS CAME OUT AGAIN….ON A BIGGER SCALE…….Yes 5th only Christians runs orphanages for ALL KIDS NO MATTER BLACK OR WHITE…

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        ‘Lady In Red’ … preferred. 😉

  5. patriotss Avatar
    patriotss

    today is fuck all muslims around the wourld

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      Hope you can please them all with that centimeter peter you call a penis.

    2. Constantin7 Avatar
      Constantin7

      Please do not use profanity in your postings. Let this medium be for a civilized exchange of ideas and opinions. Islam and Christianity are definitely at odds. They cannot be both right. One is right and one is wrong. God gave us a mind to be able to distinguish between right and wrong and good and evil, no matter in what religion we are born. It is our choice and decision to look for the TRUTH. Jesus Christ said I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. The Sahaba asked Mohammad: “Are you going to Paradise after your death ya rassoul allah” and Mohammad answered: ” I am a human like you and Allahu ‘Aalam”, he did not know….On the cross before minutes from his death, Jesus told a criminal who confessed of his crime and asked for mercy that: “This criminal will be with HIM in paradise tonight”.

    3. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      don’t pay attention, is the son of NAT JEEHAWW!

      1. patriotss Avatar
        patriotss

        your head looks like a half sucked mango you fag

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Oh Patriot … you know you like the pucker … 😉

    4. Peaceforleb Avatar
      Peaceforleb

      Patriotss, Where does all this hate for Muslims come from. I was once told by a close friend of mine that all Christens hate Muslims deep down. Even if you are good to them and treat them with dignity and respect, they will always hate you. I argued and argued the point with him. Maybe he was right. Not all Muslims are bad Patriotss just like not all Christens are good. After reading your posts, It seems you are one of the Bad ones.

      1. patriotss Avatar

        I’M GLADE U REPLIED CAN U ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE
        CONVINCE ME TO BE THE GOOD ONE AND NOT THE BAD ONE

  6. patriotss Avatar
    patriotss

    today is fuck all muslims around the wourld

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      Hope you can please them all with that centimeter peter you call a penis.

    2. Constantin7 Avatar
      Constantin7

      Please do not use profanity in your postings. Let this medium be for a civilized exchange of ideas and opinions. Islam and Christianity are definitely at odds. They cannot be both right. One is right and one is wrong. God gave us a mind to be able to distinguish between right and wrong and good and evil, no matter in what religion we are born. It is our choice and decision to look for the TRUTH. Jesus Christ said I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. The Sahaba asked Mohammad: “Are you going to Paradise after your death ya rassoul allah” and Mohammad answered: ” I am a human like you and Allahu ‘Aalam”, he did not know….On the cross before minutes from his death, Jesus told a criminal who confessed of his crime and asked for mercy that: “This criminal will be with HIM in paradise tonight”.

    3. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      don’t pay attention, is the son of NAT JEEHAWW!

      1. patriotss Avatar
        patriotss

        your head looks like a half sucked mango you fag

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Oh Patriot … you know you like the pucker … 😉

    4. Peaceforleb Avatar
      Peaceforleb

      Patriotss, Where does all this hate for Muslims come from. I was once told by a close friend of mine that all Christens hate Muslims deep down. Even if you are good to them and treat them with dignity and respect, they will always hate you. I argued and argued the point with him. Maybe he was right. Not all Muslims are bad Patriotss just like not all Christens are good. After reading your posts, It seems you are one of the Bad ones.

      1. patriotss Avatar

        I’M GLADE U REPLIED CAN U ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE
        CONVINCE ME TO BE THE GOOD ONE AND NOT THE BAD ONE

  7. patriotss Avatar
    patriotss

    dirty fucken arabs

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      The only response this comment deserves is this

      ..|.. *__* ..|..

    2. Patience2 Avatar

      ‘muslims’ might have been more appropriate than the all-inclusive ‘arabs’.

  8. patriotss Avatar
    patriotss

    saudi dirty fuckers

  9. patriotss Avatar
    patriotss

    dirty fucken arabs

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      The only response this comment deserves is this

      ..|.. *__* ..|..

    2. Patience2 Avatar

      ‘muslims’ might have been more appropriate than the all-inclusive ‘arabs’.

  10. patriotss Avatar
    patriotss

    saudi dirty fuckers

  11. patriotss Avatar
    patriotss

    please all, there is no need for intelligent conversation for unintelligent dirty fuckers
    i rather a pig as a pet than a muslim as a friend if this is who they are.

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      Hey! Pigs need friends! I’m glad you will be keeping them company, you can have intelligent conversations with them. Happy pigs means happy belly! Mmmm…bacon!

    2. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      Good luck with Your pig, You can call Him Daddy, so up You go, talk to Your pig and let Us tear apart between Ourselves with no intervention of any Mother fucker American with face like spoiled Shit. in Your way out, pick up Your Mom and put her with You friend the Pig. and then as Americans do You can kill Her and claim that You where abused as child. Bye! :-)))

      1. patriotss Avatar
        patriotss

        igor you dumb fuck my pig looks like you,so i shot him.
        tell me does your mum look like you

        1. patriotss Avatar

          YOU SAID U KNOW ME ??? SO WHERE FROM

  12. patriotss Avatar
    patriotss

    please all, there is no need for intelligent conversation for unintelligent dirty fuckers
    i rather a pig as a pet than a muslim as a friend if this is who they are.

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      Hey! Pigs need friends! I’m glad you will be keeping them company, you can have intelligent conversations with them. Happy pigs means happy belly! Mmmm…bacon!

    2. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      Good luck with Your pig, You can call Him Daddy, so up You go, talk to Your pig and let Us tear apart between Ourselves with no intervention of any Mother fucker American with face like spoiled Shit. in Your way out, pick up Your Mom and put her with You friend the Pig. and then as Americans do You can kill Her and claim that You where abused as child. Bye! :-)))

      1. patriotss Avatar
        patriotss

        igor you dumb fuck my pig looks like you,so i shot him.
        tell me does your mum look like you

        1. patriotss Avatar

          YOU SAID U KNOW ME ??? SO WHERE FROM

  13. patriotss Avatar
    patriotss

    only the Crusaders are the real patriots of god

    1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      CRUSADERS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN PROTESTANTS YOU IDIOT, I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM, AND I HAVE SEEING YOU AND I KNOW WHERE!
      YOU ARE HERE TO STIR SHIT WITH POISON OF THE SYNAGOGUES.
      YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE A WAR SO CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIM WILL DESTROY TO EACH OTHER SO ISRAEL CAN TAKE ALL THE LAND!
      PEACE TO ALL MUSLIMS SAY OUR CATHOLIC RELIGION! FUCK THE PROTESTANTS!

      1. patriotss Avatar
        patriotss

        Im not understanding your comment please explain

  14. patriotss Avatar
    patriotss

    only the Crusaders are the real patriots of god

    1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      CRUSADERS ARE NOT CHRISTIAN PROTESTANTS YOU IDIOT, I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM, AND I HAVE SEEING YOU AND I KNOW WHERE!
      YOU ARE HERE TO STIR SHIT WITH POISON OF THE SYNAGOGUES.
      YOU ALWAYS WANTED TO MAKE A WAR SO CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIM WILL DESTROY TO EACH OTHER SO ISRAEL CAN TAKE ALL THE LAND!
      PEACE TO ALL MUSLIMS SAY OUR CATHOLIC RELIGION! FUCK THE PROTESTANTS!

      1. patriotss Avatar
        patriotss

        Im not understanding your comment please explain

  15. Hannibal Avatar

    This is when with your silence you put your stamp of approval on this act… Those Moslems who blog here defending Islam all of a sudden become speechless. Are you ashamed? Are you happy?
    Yes your silence means to my ears that you approve. Hypocrites!
    Moderate Islam MY ASS!

    1. Jafri Basron Avatar
      Jafri Basron

      It’s your brain in the ass.
      Where was the moral ground and the good teaching of Jesus Christ when the killing of the Morsi supporters occurred ?
      Is the Egyptian Christian community being sad with the mass murders of the civilian..

      1. patriotss Avatar
        patriotss

        listen you,
        islam is not a religion, it is the ears and the hand of muhammad and the tongue and voice of the devil.
        wherever your shit people go there is always hatred and violence

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          Yes let him name ONE muslim country in peace… Bunch of lunatics.

      2. Hannibal Avatar

        I have no idea what you are babbling about but from this stupid smile on your face you seem to agree with what is going on…

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          A child, Hannibal … with a naughty mouth. 😉

      3. master09 Avatar

        What you are saying makes no FN sense. Who is killing these clowns the MB hood It is the Muslims who are killing each other and others . The Christians in Egypt are not doing any killing So what you are saying makes you look like a clown. So tell me who is commiting these mass murders please tell us.

      4. Jewy McJew Avatar
        Jewy McJew

        Were the Morsi supporters killed by self-described Christians?

      5. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        Those who killed the Morsi supporters are MUSLIMS not chrisians. Jesus Christ does not say kill or hurt anyone, he says LOVE YOUR ENNEMIES. Any true christian will be VERY SAD for the killing of ANY INNOCENT, no matter his religion.

      6. Igor Chingoski Avatar
        Igor Chingoski

        Laish Mab btruh kess omek yaharadinek, endin zamek. those who killed the morsi lackeys where the muslim supporters of horny mubarak.
        And why are You arguing here? you belong to the chinese board, yu go and kitacaquita!

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Yes Hannibal. Difficult to believe there has been a ‘blogger holiday’. Yet lately – as the whole area becomes worse in it’s violence and depravity – there has been a deluge of silence here. I wonder if all the things we have said over the last 3 years about what is truly wrong, and what could happen if there is not a major ‘re-think’, finally stunned them into awareness. It’s all coming true.
      One example is the mass exodus of the starving into Kurdish Iraq.

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Nice! Never take somebodies silence as arrogance perhaps they are busy fighting themself(their ego)

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Reasonably, they could be on holiday too … it’s that time of year. 🙂
          But among those trying to get an overall picture that makes sense, and finding no real logic in anything going on, there sometimes is felt the need to just walk away.
          I am just – as I said – wondering – as Hannibal was – silence can be deafening ….
          But then, up popped Jafri. :-)))

    3. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      I’m a supporter for freedom of religion. I don’t agree with you that silence on this means approval. Any sane human is against senseless violence. Why do they have to denounce everything psycho Muslims do? Do you realize how busy they would be if that were the case? I’m not a religious man, but I do defend Islam or any other religion when it is being attacked by bigots who like to spread misinformation. You have to agree that there are some bigots that like to comment on this site. Anyway, going around and attacking places of worship is totally against Islam and human decency. It makes absolutely no sense and drives a wedge further between Egyptians. If they are upset about the Egyptian military actions they should attack symbols of the military and government rule. I don’t know the demographics of the military, but I would bet there are lots of Muslims in leadership positions. The anger is horribly misdirected. Could the military be behind this? I know its a wild conspiracy, but governments have done worse. It seems to only benefit the military and severely hurts the Islamists. They could easily have infiltrated the protesters.

      1. Hannibal Avatar

        Jafri Basron below seems to disagree with you.

      2. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        man-of-war: You say “attacking places of worship is totally against Islam and human decency”: I agree with you that it is totally against human decency but I don’t agree that it is totally against Islam. Why ?
        The prophet of Islam when he was on his death bed he advised the sahaba to invade the other countries and take the tombs of the saints of christians and jews as mosques for muslims, while he cursed the chritians and the jews. Hence, when the muslim armies arrived to Hebron (al-khalil in Palestine) they took the Jewish synagogue where Abraham and his wife are buried as a mosque, when Israel occupied the land they established back the synagogue, and now the place is a mosque and a synagogue. When the muslim armies arrived in Damascus, the biggest church was the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist where St-John’s head is buried in a tomb. They chased the christians out and transformed the cathedral into a mosque and built the 3 minarets around it and called it Jamii al-Oumaween (the Omeyad Mosque) and they wanted to remove the tomb of St-John from the inside but tried 3 times and every time they would move the tomb it would start to bleed, for this reason the imams at the time believed that the one buried was a prophet and they called him the living prophet (Yahya). When the muslims arrived in Jerusalem, the jews used to worship on top of the temple mount, they chased them out and built the Golden Dome mosque and Al-Aqsa mosque in its place. The Turks arrived in Istanbul, they transformed the biggest church in the world (Aya Sophia) to a mosque, etc….In all these examples muslims attacked places of worship for christians or jews and “stole’ the place to own it themselves. So attacking other people’s place of worship (of course in the name of GOD) is natural and the norm in Islam, since you (muslims) believe that Islam Yaalou wa la Youaala aalayhi, i.e. Islam is the highest religion and has the right to subdue all other religions.
        Finally, not one muslim who analyzes any political situation does not speak of a conspiracy of others, of the ennemy, of a Tabour 5th, never ever one of you will take responsibility for what your people do, always there are much “deeper” reasons that we cannot understand that are drawing the strings of a plot againt the muslims .
        To make a long story short, nobody is to blame but ISLAM and its prophet, not you or any other regular or fanatic muslim, you are just victims of this alleged religion, nothing more.

  16. Hannibal Avatar

    This is when with your silence you put your stamp of approval on this act… Those Moslems who blog here defending Islam all of a sudden become speechless. Are you ashamed? Are you happy?
    Yes your silence means to my ears that you approve. Hypocrites!
    Moderate Islam MY ASS!

    1. Jafri Basron Avatar
      Jafri Basron

      It’s your brain in the ass.
      Where was the moral ground and the good teaching of Jesus Christ when the killing occurred ?
      Is the Egyptian Christian community being sad with the mass murders of the said civilian..

      1. patriotss Avatar
        patriotss

        listen you,
        islam is not a religion, it is the ears and the hand of muhammad and the tongue and voice of the devil.
        wherever your shit people go there is always hatred and violence

        1. Hannibal Avatar

          Yes let him name ONE muslim country in peace… Bunch of lunatics.

      2. Hannibal Avatar

        I have no idea what you are babbling about but from this stupid smile on your face you seem to agree with what is going on…

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          A child, Hannibal … with a naughty mouth. 😉

      3. master09 Avatar

        What you are saying makes no FN sense. Who is killing these clowns the MB hood It is the Muslims who are killing each other and others . The Christians in Egypt are not doing any killing So what you are saying makes you look like a clown. So tell me who is commiting these mass murders please tell us.

      4. Jewy McJew Avatar
        Jewy McJew

        Were the Morsi supporters killed by self-described Christians?

      5. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        Those who killed the Morsi supporters are MUSLIMS not chrisians. Jesus Christ does not say kill or hurt anyone, he says LOVE YOUR ENNEMIES. Any true christian will be VERY SAD for the killing of ANY INNOCENT, no matter his religion.

      6. Igor Chingoski Avatar
        Igor Chingoski

        Laish Mab btruh kess omek yaharadinek, endin zamek. those who killed the morsi lackeys where the muslim supporters of horny mubarak.
        And why are You arguing here? you belong to the chinese board, yu go and kitacaquita!

    2. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Yes Hannibal. Difficult to believe there has been a ‘blogger holiday’. Yet lately – as the whole area becomes worse in it’s violence and depravity – there has been a deluge of silence here. I wonder if all the things said over the last 3 years have about what is truly wrong, and what could happen if there is not a major ‘re-think’, finally stunned them into awareness. It’s coming true.

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Nice! Never take somebodies silence as arrogance perhaps they are busy fighting themself(their ego)

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Reasonably, they could be on holiday too … it’s that time of year. 🙂
          But among those trying to get an overall picture that makes sense, and finding no real logic in anything going on, there sometimes is felt the need to just walk away.
          I am just – as I said – wondering – as Hannibal was – silence can be deafening ….
          But then, up popped Jafri. :-)))

    3. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      I’m a supporter for freedom of religion. I don’t agree with you that silence on this means approval. Any sane human is against senseless violence. Why do they have to denounce everything psycho Muslims do? Do you realize how busy they would be if that were the case? I’m not a religious man, but I do defend Islam or any other religion when it is being attacked by bigots who like to spread misinformation. You have to agree that there are some bigots that like to comment on this site. Anyway, going around and attacking places of worship is totally against Islam and human decency. It makes absolutely no sense and drives a wedge further between Egyptians. If they are upset about the Egyptian military actions they should attack symbols of the military and government rule. I don’t know the demographics of the military, but I would bet there are lots of Muslims in leadership positions. The anger is horribly misdirected. Could the military be behind this? I know its a wild conspiracy, but governments have done worse. It seems to only benefit the military and severely hurts the Islamists. They could easily have infiltrated the protesters.

      1. Hannibal Avatar

        Jafri Basron below seems to disagree with you.

      2. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        man-of-war: You say “attacking places of worship is totally against Islam and human decency”: I agree with you that it is totally against human decency but I don’t agree that it is totally against Islam. Why ?
        The prophet of Islam when he was on his death bed he advised the sahaba to invade the other countries and take the tombs of the saints of christians and jews as mosques for muslims, while he cursed the chritians and the jews. Hence, when the muslim armies arrived to Hebron (al-khalil in Palestine) they took the Jewish synagogue where Abraham and his wife are buried as a mosque, when Israel occupied the land they established back the synagogue, and now the place is a mosque and a synagogue. When the muslim armies arrived in Damascus, the biggest church was the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist where St-John’s head is buried in a tomb. They chased the christians out and transformed the cathedral into a mosque and built the 3 minarets around it and called it Jamii al-Oumaween (the Omeyad Mosque) and they wanted to remove the tomb of St-John from the inside but tried 3 times and every time they would move the tomb it would start to bleed, for this reason the imams at the time believed that the one buried was a prophet and they called him the living prophet (Yahya). When the muslims arrived in Jerusalem, the jews used to worship on top of the temple mount, they chased them out and built the Golden Dome mosque and Al-Aqsa mosque in its place. The Turks arrived in Istanbul, they transformed the biggest church in the world (Aya Sophia) to a mosque, etc….In all these examples muslims attacked places of worship for christians or jews and “stole’ the place to own it themselves. So attacking other people’s place of worship (of course in the name of GOD) is natural and the norm in Islam, since you (muslims) believe that Islam Yaalou wa la Youaala aalayhi, i.e. Islam is the highest religion and has the right to subdue all other religions.
        Finally, not one muslim who analyzes any political situation does not speak of a conspiracy of others, of the ennemy, of a Tabour 5th, never ever one of you will take responsibility for what your people do, always there are much “deeper” reasons that we cannot understand that are drawing the strings of a plot againt the muslims .
        To make a long story short, nobody is to blame but ISLAM and its prophet, not you or any other regular or fanatic muslim, you are just victims of this alleged religion, nothing more.

  17. The Egyptian Christians were in cahoot with the Egypt military to topple the legitimate President of Egypt.
    The subsequent act of the coup lead to the mass killing of President Mohamed Morsi’s supporters; where a thousand civilian including children and women were KILLED. Where was the moral ground and the good teaching of Jesus Christ when the killing of occurred ?
    Is the Egyptian Christian community sad with the mass murders..??

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Have some patience Jafri … your ‘wonderful words’ show up eventually – no need to paste it several times. ;-)))
      And YOU should have noted that MANY decried that event ALL over the world.
      Yet it WAS a few (again as always a few) who popped out and began the shooting – and the ‘cops’ simply responded in their panicked way – as usual. Which is what ‘the few’ wished for.
      Turning ‘the people’ into the martyrs they probably didn’t wish to be.

      There is no morality in a herd of stampeding fearful cattle. The only thing you can do is try to head them off, or wait until they exhaust themselves.

  18. Jafri Basron Avatar
    Jafri Basron

    The Egyptian Christians were in cahoot with the Egypt military to topple the legitimate President of Egypt.
    The subsequent act of the coup lead to the mass killing of President Mohamed Morsi’s supporters; where a thousand civilian including children and women were KILLED. Where was the moral ground and the good teaching of Jesus Christ when the killing of occurred ?
    Is the Egyptian Christian community sad with the mass murders..??

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Have some patience Jafri … your ‘wonderful words’ show up eventually – no need to paste it several times. ;-)))
      And YOU should have noted that MANY decried that event ALL over the world.
      Yet is WAS a few (again as always a few) who popped out and began the shooting – and the ‘cops’ simply responded in their panicked way – as usual. Which is what ‘the few’ wished for.
      Turning ‘the people’ into the martyrs they probably didn’t wish to be.

  19. Jafri Basron Avatar
    Jafri Basron

    The Egyptian Christians were in cahoot with the Egypt military to topple the legitimate President of Egypt. The subsequent act of the coup lead to the mass killing of President Mohamed Morsi’s supporters; where a thousand civilian including children and women were KILLED. Where was the moral ground and the good teaching of Jesus Christ when the killing occurred ?
    Is the Egyptian Christian community being sad with the mass murders of the said civilian..??

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      So the military (moslems) attack you and you respond by attacking the Christians? Hmmmmm Islamic logic rocks!

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Called to action from the minaret – ‘Muslims out of your houses’ … Somehow that translated into ‘Go Burn and Pillage’. Very weird people those Muslims.
        Assad certainly got them out, didn’t he ??

    2. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      And they supported Mursi also until his followers turned on them too. Even when Mubarack was in power many Christians churches were burned and copts were being killed. When muslim killed a chiristian they called him insane and was freed. But when Christian kill a muslim he was left to rot in jail. When Mursi supporters and gangs marching in Christians neighborhood and screaming and shooting trying to intimidate them Mursi did nothing to appease the Christian fears. stop your lies your little squirell..

    3. master09 Avatar

      You must be the most brainwashed little Muslim kid around. You must be in a cave with some cleric brainwashing the crap out of you. Jesus will love you too you poor brainwashed child I will pray for Jesus to find you love for your heart.

    4. Jewy McJew Avatar
      Jewy McJew

      Even if your conspiracy theory is true and it was the Christians all along, based on the Islamists response of fire and vandalism, I guess the Christians were right to be afraid of the Brotherhood.

    5. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      I don’t think you’re understanding. The Egyptian military is ruled by Muslims and lots of soldiers and police officers are Muslims. They are attacking their own people and killed hundreds the other day. Don’t you think the anger is misdirected? Even if the Copts were involved in the coup, they are not the ones killing Egyptians.

  20. Jafri Basron Avatar
    Jafri Basron

    The Egyptian Christians were in cahoot with the Egypt military to topple the legitimate President of Egypt. The subsequent act of the coup lead to the mass killing of President Mohamed Morsi’s supporters; where a thousand civilian including children and women were KILLED. Where was the moral ground and the good teaching of Jesus Christ when the killing occurred ?
    Is the Egyptian Christian community being sad with the mass murders of the said civilian..??

    1. Hannibal Avatar

      So the military (moslems) attack you and you respond by attacking the Christians? Hmmmmm Islamic logic rocks!

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Called to action from the minaret – ‘Muslims out of your houses’ …
        Assad certainly got them out, didn’t he ??

    2. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      And they supported Mursi also until his followers turned on them too. Even when Mubarack was in power many Christians churches were burned and copts were being killed. When muslim killed a chiristian they called him insane and was freed. But when Christian kill a muslim he was left to rot in jail. When Mursi supporters and gangs marching in Christians neighborhood and screaming and shooting trying to intimidate them Mursi did nothing to appease the Christian fears. stop your lies your little squirell..

    3. master09 Avatar

      You must be the most brainwashed little Muslim kid around. You must be in a cave with some cleric brainwashing the crap out of you. Jesus will love you too.

    4. Jewy McJew Avatar
      Jewy McJew

      Even if your conspiracy theory is true and it was the Christians all along, based on the Islamists response of fire and vandalism, I guess the Christians were right to be afraid of the Brotherhood.

    5. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      I don’t think you’re understanding. The Egyptian military is ruled by Muslims and lots of soldiers and police officers are Muslims. They are attacking their own people and killed hundreds the other day. Don’t you think the anger is misdirected? Even if the Copts were involved in the coup, they are not the ones killing Egyptians.

  21. Reasonableman Avatar
    Reasonableman

    There is no evidence it is ONLY muslims burning and causing the split of egypt although im not ruling out that they are not capable of it but it could also be government coverts doing these things to incite division.DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
    Perhaps individuals on this blog are holding back from commenting so they dont hear your slander? Weather they talk or dont talk you have a problem. So i suggest you seek help.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      True … could just be the usual anti-religious anarchists running around … just faking with the phone calls … ‘Allo? Akbar??’; and chants of ‘Death to Any Reporters’ … that sort of thing. 😉

      1. Re read the comment

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Well ok … I’ll listen to Beethoven …

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Lol

  22. Reasonableman Avatar
    Reasonableman

    There is no evidence it is ONLY muslims burning and causing the split of egypt although im not ruling out that they are not capable of it but it could also be government coverts doing these things to incite division.DIVIDE AND CONQUER.
    Perhaps individuals on this blog are holding back from commenting so they dont hear your slander? Weather they talk or dont talk you have a problem. So i suggest you seek help.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      True … could just be the usual anti-religious anarchists running around … just faking with the phone calls … ‘Allo? Akbar??’

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Re read the comment

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Well ok … I’ll listen to Beethoven …

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Lol

  23. Listen to the Christian message, look at all the blogs, full of hate, condemnation on of he destruction of their idols, but silence on the murder of Muslims. Peacemakers my ass, they are Hypocrital, troublemaking warmongers.
    At least Jehovah’s witnesses don’t have crosses as idols. They are not as misguided as these cross kissing , Muslim hating, murder promoting , mushriks . These troublemakers should be taught a hard lesson, and should be eliminated from the equation, if peace is to stand a chance.

    1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      we’re not Gods and we’re human. but not animals like you who hates his own people let alone other who are not muslims. Where in the world do you see Christians burning mosques and killing muslims? even when the US saved bosnia along with Europe you bastards didn’t appreciate it. you tried to kill the bosnia Christians and you got your butt kicked. luckily for you the west saved you and all you do is backstab them..typical extremists like you deserve to die imo

      1. Christians Jews and athiests are aligned with each other. You bring up the Christian Serbian attack on the Muslims . You say we should be grateful. Grateful for the UN coralling the Muslims to the slaughter. The west watching their Christian brethren’genocide and then pretending to be their saviours. These are the Christians peacemakers.
        At least Muslims don’t pretend to be pacifists, they will make war on oppression ,by words and action even if it means death.
        The most dangerous form of Islam is the one who says he is a Muslim but sides with the enemy. That is currently happening in shite Iran and Alawi Syria.
        Quran 2:11 And when it is said to them : Do not make mischief in the earth, they say : Verily we are in fact peacemakers.

        12 Is it not that they themselves are the mischief-makers? But they do not perceive.

        13 And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe, they say: Shall we believe as the fools have believed? Is it not that surely they are themselves the fools? But they do not know.

        14 And when they meet those who believe, they say: We believe. But when they are alone with their Evil-ones, they say: We are really with you, we by ourselves were only mocking.

        15 Allah throws back the mockery on them, and leaves them along in their trespasses blindly wandering on.

        1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
          Igor Chingoski

          learn to differentiate, Where Do You see Catholics attacking! The ones who attack Islam are the same who attack Catholics, They are Protestant and Jews!

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Oh Igor. You hurt my protesting sensitivities. 🙁

  24. Listen to the Christian message, look at all the blogs, full of hate, condemnation on of he destruction of their idols, but silence on the murder of Muslims. Peacemakers my ass, they are Hypocrital, troublemaking warmongers.
    At least Jehovah’s witnesses don’t have crosses as idols. They are not as misguided as these cross kissing , Muslim hating, murder promoting , mushriks . These troublemakers should be taught a hard lesson, and should be eliminated from the equation, if peace is to stand a chance.

    1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      we’re not Gods and we’re human. but not animals like you who hates his own people let alone other who are not muslims. Where in the world do you see Christians burning mosques and killing muslims? even when the US saved bosnia along with Europe you bastards didn’t appreciate it. you tried to kill the bosnia Christians and you got your butt kicked. luckily for you the west saved you and all you do is backstab them..typical extremists like you deserve to die imo

      1. Christians Jews and athiests are aligned with each other. You bring up the Christian Serbian attack on the Muslims . You say we should be grateful. Grateful for the UN coralling the Muslims to the slaughter. The west watching their Christian brethren’genocide and then pretending to be their saviours. These are the Christians peacemakers.
        At least Muslims don’t pretend to be pacifists, they will make war on oppression ,by words and action even if it means death.
        The most dangerous form of Islam is the one who says he is a Muslim but sides with the enemy. That is currently happening in shite Iran and Alawi Syria.
        Quran 2:11 And when it is said to them : Do not make mischief in the earth, they say : Verily we are in fact peacemakers.

        12 Is it not that they themselves are the mischief-makers? But they do not perceive.

        13 And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe, they say: Shall we believe as the fools have believed? Is it not that surely they are themselves the fools? But they do not know.

        14 And when they meet those who believe, they say: We believe. But when they are alone with their Evil-ones, they say: We are really with you, we by ourselves were only mocking.

        15 Allah throws back the mockery on them, and leaves them along in their trespasses blindly wandering on.

        1. Igor Chingoski Avatar
          Igor Chingoski

          learn to differentiate, Where Do You see Catholics attacking! The ones who attack Islam are the same who attack Catholics, They are Protestant and Jews!

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Oh Igor. You hurt my protesting sensitivities. 🙁

  25. MekensehParty Avatar
    MekensehParty

    Wow, I leave you kids a couple of days and you’re tearing each other apart.
    All of you have not chosen your religion, it was forced upon you by your parents just like it was forced upon them. One can defend a choice he/she made; One is not supposed to defend something he/she did not have a say in. All of your religions are only tools to make you blindly follow the shepherd, giving you no choices, limiting your thinking and bombarding your brains with myths and legends of prophets born, dead and resurrected/elevated in times that we cannot even imagine. So yeah, keep fighting about what religion is best, Islam or Christianity, Hinduism or Zarkonianism for that matter… you are only perpetuating what your religions taught you and shall remain enslaved by some god or gods who want nothing to do with you!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Well, I see you are becoming disillusioned too … 😉

      1. MekensehParty Avatar
        MekensehParty

        Me disillusioned? Never! I’m a fervent Zarkonian! Death to all other religions!

  26. MekensehParty Avatar
    MekensehParty

    Wow, I leave you kids a couple of days and you’re tearing each other apart.
    All of you have not chosen your religion, it was forced upon you by your parents just like it was forced upon them. One can defend a choice he/she made; One is not supposed to defend something he/she did not have a say on. All of your religions are only tools to make you blindly follow the shepherd, giving you no choices, limiting your thinking and bombarding your brains with myths and legends of prophets born, dead and resurrected/elevated in times that we cannot even imagine. So yeah, keep fighting about what religion is best, Islam or Christianity, Hinduism or Zarkonianism for that matter… you are only perpetuating what your religions taught you and shall remain enslaved by some god or gods who want nothing to do with you!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Well, I see you are becoming disillusioned too … 😉

      1. MekensehParty Avatar
        MekensehParty

        Me disillusioned? Never! I’m a fervent Zarkonian! Death to all other religions!

  27. At least we know that most Christians are open disbelivers or enemies to Muslims.
    but the Shiites pretend to be your brothers then stab you in the back.
    Allah has made things clear now!!!

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      And in Egypt you have your Sunni brothers shooting you in the back and head. Depending how close you get they may stab you in the back as well. Has the thought ever crossed your mind that you may be the disbeliever?

  28. At least we know that most Christians are open disbelivers or enemies to Muslims.
    but the Shiites pretend to be your brothers then stab you in the back.
    Allah has made things clear now!!!

    1. man-o-war Avatar
      man-o-war

      And in Egypt you have your Sunni brothers shooting you in the back and head. Depending how close you get they may stab you in the back as well. Has the thought ever crossed your mind that you may be the disbeliever?

  29. A courageous person dying whilst fighting for what is right , and for the sake of Allah, is a lot better than the person who does nothing and dies in his bed , neglecting his brothers and sisters .
    Muslims are the believers , who believe in all of Allah’s messengers , his angels , and his scripture.
    We love our prophets and we do not glorify the slaying of any of the prophets.
    Mohammed is the last and the seal of all the prophets , and anyone who rejects his message is the disbeliever. No other religion will be accepted of them.

    Quran says… If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

    Bible says:Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

  30. A courageous person dying whilst fighting for what is right , and for the sake of Allah, is a lot better than the person who does nothing and dies in his bed , neglecting his brothers and sisters .
    Muslims are the believers , who believe in all of Allah’s messengers , his angels , and his scripture.
    We love our prophets and we do not glorify the slaying of any of the prophets.
    Mohammed is the last and the seal of all the prophets , and anyone who rejects his message is the disbeliever. No other religion will be accepted of them.

    Quran says… If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

    Bible says:Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.

  31. Mazen Miguel Hoballah Avatar
    Mazen Miguel Hoballah

    I must say.. this comments section holds one of the most retarded comments on both sides christian side and Muslim side, and for the record for both you muslims and christians, both muslims and christians committed genocidal acts against each other, does anyone recall the crusades? does anyone recall the arab invasions of the west ? you are all brainwashed IMHO, maybe you should learn to respect each other and stop hating one another because I am pretty sure Jesus said LOVE your enemy and all i saw here from christians was hate for muslims and vice versa, so practically none of you is even following the teachings of your respective religions… This section is one of the saddest I’ve ever witnessed in some time.. and Lebanese think they could end up living united… What a joke

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      YOU haven’t been here long enough Mazen … wait ’till we really get going.
      You will see LOTS of love here … :-))
      By the way, do you like Scotch?? 😉

    2. greetings Mazen,
      nice to see your presence but I understand why you abstain as you make an irrefutable point about some of the comments.

      Most of the time I ask myself why do I return when the emotions created by the atmosphere are like a bungie cord trying to return you to the worthless past, I will share with you that my reward is the ability to reach out and relate to people from all sides on a 100 % humanitarian reason and NOT a political or sectarian one!

      the bombing in Dahieh is equal evil to the bomb in tripoli I reject violence and its infertility to produce anything good short or long term.

      you are correct that following the teachings of jesus and not christianity as a general label would have yielded different results but as it was for earlier followers it is difficult thing to live up and it is rare to practice it without being persecuted as you simply would not fit in with the popular crowds and their politics.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        You’re a beautiful man, Geo.
        Have we heard from DAB lately? Wondering about the brother ….

        1. You are far to Kind 5th , not a word from Dab lately but I was really hoping to get untangled from my lifestyle and make it back to the the homeland in September and hopefuly meeting him but it all fizzled out with no one to take care of my critters and fears of anxiety attacks ones I get there 🙁

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Yah Geo … happy thoughts we can have, but many on my side were dashed too.

    3. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      YOU ARE THE JOKE! PUTING ALL IN A BASKET, LEARN TO DIFFERENTIATE YAHESH!
      YOU WILL BE MORE HAPPY WHEN WE SEND ALL ISLAMIST TO LIVE IN ISRAEL :-)))

  32. Mazen Miguel Hoballah Avatar
    Mazen Miguel Hoballah

    I must say.. this comments section holds one of the most retarded comments on both sides christian side and Muslim side, and for the record for both you muslims and christians, both muslims and christians committed genocidal acts against each other, does anyone recall the crusades? does anyone recall the arab invasions of the west ? you are all brainwashed IMHO, maybe you should learn to respect each other and stop hating one another because I am pretty sure Jesus said LOVE your enemy and all i saw here from christians was hate for muslims and vice versa, so practically none of you is even following the teachings of your respective religions… This section is one of the saddest I’ve ever witnessed in some time.. and Lebanese think they could end up living united… What a joke

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      YOU haven’t been here long enough Mazen … wait ’till we really get going.
      You will see LOTS of love here … :-))

    2. greetings Mazen,
      nice to see your presence but I understand why you abstain as you make an irrefutable point about some of the comments.

      Most of the time I ask myself why do I return when the emotions created by the atmosphere are like a bungie cord trying to return you to the worthless past, I will share with you that my reward is the ability to reach out and relate to people from all sides on a 100 % humanitarian reason and NOT a political or sectarian one!

      the bombing in Dahieh is equal evil to the bomb in tripoli I reject violence and its infertility to produce anything good short or long term.

      you are correct that following the teachings of jesus and not christianity as a general label would have yielded different results but as it was for earlier followers it is difficult thing to live up and it is rare to practice it without being persecuted as you simply would not fit in with the popular crowds and their politics.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        You’re a beautiful man, Geo.
        Have we heard from DAB lately? Wondering about the brother ….

        1. You are far to Kind 5th , not a word from Dab lately but I was really hoping to get untangled from my lifestyle and make it back to the the homeland in September and hopefuly meeting him but it all fizzled out with no one to take care of my critters and fears of anxiety attacks ones I get there 🙁

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Yah Geo … happy thoughts we can have, but … many on my side dashed too.

    3. Igor Chingoski Avatar
      Igor Chingoski

      YOU ARE THE JOKE! PUTING ALL IN A BASKET, LEARN TO DIFFERENTIATE YAHESH!

  33. Patience2 Avatar

    This is where the true nature of Islam begins to show through.

  34. Patience2 Avatar

    This is where the true nature of Islam begins to show through.

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