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17 churches were burned across Egypt by Brotherhood

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Church in Assiut before and after torched

Churches burned across Egypt following the security crackdown on pro-Muslim Brotherhood demonstrators. Online reports suggest up to 17 churches were burned across Egypt, along with other Christian-owned businesses and schools.

Coptic witnesses and religious leaders said the attacks were carried out by supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood in areas without police protection. In some areas, the attacks reportedly came amid ongoing fighting between security forces and supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Egyptians on Twitter used #EgyChurch to crowdsource images and reports of the churches under attack.

Al Jazeera

Top Photo : Church in Assiut before and after it was torched

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203 responses to “17 churches were burned across Egypt by Brotherhood”

  1. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    They didn’t need extra excuses … they have been destroying and threatening for years.

  2. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    They didn’t need extra excuses … they have been destroying and threatening for years.

  3. Hash Man Avatar
    Hash Man

    bastardo’s

  4. Hash Man Avatar
    Hash Man

    bastardo’s

  5. Reasonableman Avatar
    Reasonableman

    Egypt has a vast population of mujahadine, the brotherhood protesters and passbyers suffered major HUMAN losses for what the western backed couped believe is justice. Most who were killed were guilty only for supporting a legitimate government who won the elections and bearing no arms except the sharp tongues which the western backed military couldnt handle. If the mujahadine put in there heads to destroyand conquer you would of heard alot more life taken from the other side but they didn’t. When reading this post it seems very persuasive to think the burnt churches were the works of muslims but where is the evidence?? This is the work of corrupted individuals who seek to spread sectarianism.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      One can hope. Too hard to tell now for sure. It’s simply done, when anarchy begins to rule.

    2. The real lebanese Avatar
      The real lebanese

      Who else would have done it? Haven’t the radical brotherhood Islamists been threatening the coptics? But why the Coptics? Its like the families of the abducted ‘pilgrims’ taking their anger out on the Turks.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Yes. Same lack of reasoning.

      2. dateam Avatar
        dateam

        Lets face it although yes the mb were democratically elected and yes technically they were overthrown by the army…they didnt help themselves either…mursi putting in a governor that was jailed for terror attacks in 1997 against tourists and grabbing the same sort of extra powers mubarak was overthrown for added to their demise…the people in egypt wanted economic change an easier life , work , health education and all that was overlooked by the rush of blood to the mb of gaining power…whether this is all they know or it got to their egos or was forced on them noone will ever know…The interesting thing that alot of people have missed is that the army are looking at charging mursi for treason so their is something their they believe is illegal and a threat to the security of egypt…to equate it to the kidnappings in lebanon to me is a bit extreme…burning holy sites and kidnapping 2 people is a bit far to relate however not condoning and 2 wrongs dont make a right…i guess desparation leads to drastic measures unless we were in that situation i mean would we do the same thing if we were in that situation? Bottom line the circus in the middle east roles on and the people come last. I mean look around in nigeria muslims walked into a mosque and killed 44 muslims? Where is this madness going?

        1. Reasonableman Avatar
          Reasonableman

          For once we agree

          1. dateam Avatar
            dateam

            Bro theres nothing wrong with disagreeing either as long as people present their arguments or points of some sort of fact or common sense…the problem is when people go into primitive mode and get all sectarian…have a look around at whats happening….i mean isnt it odd we had an arab spring people made their choices and now its kind of being reversed back to what it was? Palestinians went throught the same thing they did what uncle sam wanted they had elections then west didnt like what they chose so they blockaded gaza for 2 years and now palestinians are split? Isnt it weird how now all the arab armies are tied up fighting internally? Syria,lebanon,egypt,tunisia,pakistan,yemen,iraq and on and on? This to me is the bigger picture not who u are what you are cause its the people regardless of all that are paying the price.

        2. Patience2 Avatar
          Patience2

          The rise of the stupid.

      3. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        There really is no answer to that but the guessing game which i myself am guilty of isnt the solution either. Both the burning of churches and killing of protesters is not very noble its just fuel to the fire which is destroying the arab fabric. It ts clear these teachings of terror is neither from the teachings of the bible nor from the quran. These are tactics of sick human beings with inflated egos.
        PEACE FOR THE MIDDLE EAST

        1. Sandy Reis Avatar
          Sandy Reis

          You’re dead wrong. It is the teaching of the koran.

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.” (Qur’an 16:125)

            “And do not argue with the followers of the Book except by what is best, save with those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.” (Qur’an 29:46)

            Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.” (Qur’an 2:256)

            “If your Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind one people: but they will not cease to dispute.” (Qur’an 11:118)

            “And do thou be patient, for thy patience is but from Allah; nor grieve over them: and distress not thyself because of their plots. For Allah is with those who restrain themselves, and those who do good.” (Qur’an 16:127-128)

          2. Sandy Reis Avatar
            Sandy Reis

            The koran does allow the following things, especially if it furthers islam/sharia:
            raping, killing, slavery, terrorist attacks, discrimination, jihad, killing other muslims, honor killings, temporary marriages etc.
            Theres no need to keep this charade or yours because we ALL know islam teaches and allows this behavior that muslims demonstrate ALL OVER THE WORLD.

          3. Btru2u Avatar
            Btru2u

            *۞* لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ ٱلنَّاسِ عَدَٰوَةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ ٱلْيَهُودَ وَٱلَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا۟ ۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُم مَّوَدَّةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّا نَصَٰرَىٰ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَانًا وَأَنَّهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ

            Latajidanna ashadda alnnasi AAadawatan lillatheena amanoo alyahooda waallatheena ashrakoo walatajidanna aqrabahum mawaddatan lillatheena amanoo allatheena qaloo inna nasara thalika bianna minhum qisseeseena waruhbanan waannahum la yastakbiroona

            Of all men you will find the Jews and those who associate others with Allah in His divinity to be the most hostile to those who believe; and you will surely find that of ail people they who say: ‘We are Christians’, are closest to feeling affection for those who believe. This is because there are worshipful priests and monks among them, and because they are not arrogant.

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            The actions (and words) of MOST ‘Uber-Religious’ people turned me off of them all a long time ago.

          5. Sandy Reis Avatar
            Sandy Reis

            Your koran is evil .It teaches you to hate Jews and Christians. Christians and Jews all know islam is a fake religion and mohammad was nothing but an illiterate madman. We dont listen to a word you say or your evil koranic quotes lol. Its muslims that are evil and volatile towards non-muslims. Its muslims who come to our countries, live off welfare, rape us, kill us, etc. like the Pakistanis in Rochdale Oxford UK and “muslim rape wave.” We all know the evil islam teaches and condones. You still are wondering why people dont trust muslims and hate islam lol. We know your evil koran teaches you to hate us and we know islam is not a real religion.

          6. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            WHAT A TRUE CHRISTIAN WOULD SAY TO A MOSLEM
            First of, muslim scholars attempting to explain passages of the Qur’an had difficulty doing so. The Qur’an was not originally written in Arabic but in a mixture with Syriac, which was the dominant language of Arabia until the 8th century. That explains its schizophrenic message.
            The Qur’an evolved from other Hebrew and Christian texts to become the work we know today and is not “mounzal”. If it were “mounzal” it would not have been written in a timed language, as it is written in a very Archaic Arabic incomprehensible to modern day speakers … It would have been universal and easy read so all humans may comprehend it until the end of times.
            Secondly, The Qur’an badly distorts Christian beliefs.
            The phrase “only begotten” (which in the Qur’an it says ittakhaza) does not refer to physical father / son relation but to a special spiritual relationship with God (as the Qur’an says: “wa nafakhna fiihi min ruuhina”.
            Christians who understand the doctrine well, know that God is but ONE and that he dwelt the Earth via Jesus who spoke the words of God through the Holy Spirit… THAT IS ONE GOD manifesting Himself in different forms. He is as you moslem say “qaadiron 3ala kulli shay’” so is it that hard for Him to reach out to humans in a human form?
            The Qur’an contains many errors about what Christians believe and practice and the most significant error is that the Qur’an misrepresents the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Muhammad never understood the doctrine of the Trinity because his teacher, a heretic monk, distorted the truth to him while indoctrinating him to a sect of Christianity opposed to the mainstream one at the time.

            and ONE LAST THING! We really do not need you to tolerate Christianity… We really need you to mind your own business. Let God decide which path is the one leading to Him and He has done that… You are living the results. Look at the Christian West and compare it to your Moslem East and decide which has a better life.

          7. cook Avatar
            cook

            Very nice post

          8. Btru2u Avatar
            Btru2u

            إِنَّا أَنْـزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُون

            “We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an so you people may understand / use reason” (12:2):

            Does the verse indicate superiority of Arabic language?

            This verse is not inferring that the choice of using the Arabic language is due to any intrinsic superiorities over other languages.

            The Qur’an is sent as guidance to all mankind. The language of Scriptures, as and when they are sent down to different generations and regions, is in the language of the messenger and the people who are immediately around him:

            “We have not sent any Messenger except with the language of his people so he can make things clear to them. Allah misguides anyone He wills and guides anyone He wills. He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. (Qur’an 14:4)

            Thus, for those people caught in the darkness of disbelief at the prophet’s time, it was a great blessing that Allah sent a messenger with a magnificent Scripture in their language, which they could understand and use their reasoning over.

            “A Messenger, reciting Allah’s clear Verses to you to bring those who believe and do right actions out of the darkness into the Light. Whoever believes in Allah and acts rightly, We will admit him into Gardens…” (Qur’an 65:11)

            The verses on sending the Qur’an in Arabic should therefore be perceived in this light. Had the Qur’an been in a foreign language, it would not be possible for the speakers of the language who received it or the messenger, to take its message to the world. In other words, although the Quranic message is for the world, this verse is more specifically addressed to those who understood the language (…”so that you may understand”)…emphasising on appreciating what would have happened had it been in a language other than their tongue. This is proved in the following verses:

            “So We have revealed an Arabic Quran to you, in order that you may warn the capital city and all who live nearby…” (Qur’an 42:7)

            “We have made the Qur’an easy in your language so that they may take heed it.” (Qur’an 44:58)

            “If We had made it a foreign Quran, they would have said, ‘If only its verses were clear! What? Foreign speech to an Arab?’ Say, ‘It is guidance and healing for those who have faith, but the ears of the disbelievers are heavy, they are blind to it, it is as if they are being called from a distant place.’ (Qur’an 41:44)

            So when Allah says:

            “We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an so you people may understand / reason” (Qur’an 12:2)

            We can clearly see it is in reference to the above verses – to the blessing that Allah revealed clear wisdom and guidance in a language they can understand and be able to reason over (Arabic).

            Therefore, Verse 12:2 (and 43:3) are not classing the Arabic language as being linguistically superior to other languages of the world, nor do they mean to indicate any intrinsic linguistic qualities of the Arabic language over others as being the motivational factor in its choice. Yet, it is wrongly taught in great many literature that the Arabic language has been divinely shown or praised in the Qur’an for its qualities – which is followed on by other exaggerated claims like it being the language of Paradise etc.

            To imply Arabic is not superior in any of its aspects is not the intention of this article, just that it is not the intention of Quranic verses to imply that it is. Previous Scriptures of Allah had been in non-Arabic languages. Every Scripture has been as worthy, and capable of providing guidance to mankind as the Qur’an, despite being in non-Arabic languages. This shows that the Qur’an is not superior to other Scriptures as also proven by ‘we do not differentiate between any of the messengers’ (2:136).

            To conclude, 12:2 and 43:3 are there to point to Allah’s blessing to mankind in sending them a Scripture speaking the language of the people who received it, so that they can understand and spread it’s message to the rest of the world. They are not indicating Arabic as being a language superior to other languages.

            A misunderstanding of 41:44

            “If We had made it a foreign Quran, they would have said, ‘If only its verses were clear! What? Foreign speech to an Arab?’ Say, ‘It is guidance and healing for those who have faith, but the ears of the disbelievers are heavy, they are blind to it, it is as if they are being called from a distant place.’ (Qur’an 41:44)

            This verse is in reference to the immediate people who heard the Qur’an, describing the scenario had they heard the Qur’an in a foreign language. Some people assume it is in reference to all people, thus they think the portion:

            “…they would have said, ‘If only its verses were clear (literally ‘detailed / explained فُصِّلَتْ)!’

            …is an exclamation from all people of all languages. In other words, they are saying, if the Qur’an was non-Arabic, then a speaker of that language reading the Qur’an in his language would complain that the Qur’an was not detailed enough because it was not in the Arabic language. This is a highly unfeasible and unrealistic understanding because why would a man reading the Qur’an in his language make such a claim? Consider a parallel scenario where you are reading a very enjoyable book in English, what are the chances of you wanting the book in, say, Chinese, given:

            1) You are reading, enjoying and understanding an eloquent Book.

            2) Nothing is lacking in this language to not be able to describe any ideas.

            3) You have no knowledge of the foreign language to even compare (assuming you do not speak Chinese!)

            No doubt, such an explanation is completely irrational. Their intention behind this understanding is to explain 12:2 and 43:3 as references to Arabic as a linguistically superior language, which is as we have seen, something the verse is not trying to indicate.

          9. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            That is NOT what I said… Which proves your brainwashed logic. You read but you do not understand because YOU CHOSE NOT to understand.
            What I said is that the arabic of the Qur’an is NOT the same Arabic of today… and it would have been written as such by God if he wished the message to be timeless as languages evolve and the Arabic of today is NOT the Arabic of the Qur’an.

          10. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            If your Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind one people: but they will not cease to dispute.” (Qur’an 11:118)

          11. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            The ‘Tower of Babel’ story Reasonable? 😉

          12. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Very centered thought, i do not disagree but i do not agree either.

          13. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Perhaps the engineers of 3000 years ago – wonderful as they were – did not quite agree either. But at that time, there is no evidence that they understood the physics involved in reaching out to the hand of God from the top of a tower high enough to do it – although, as we note even now, some still attempt to build the highest towers. 🙂
            The simplicity of one question is the centre of the thought. Why do we all speak different languages? The story says ‘God did it’. I think in this day and age we need to consider other factors. Just as there are other ‘factors’ to dispute when we don’t know the physics.

          14. Btru2u Avatar
            Btru2u

            You have already admitted that the bible is an inception of the Jews, and therefore, not the word of God. So you just make up what ever you want to believe . So to you your religion and to me , mine.

          15. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Do you know the difference between the bible and the new testament?

          16. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Et Tu Brute ?
            That is the same stupid ‘rational’ the Roman Catholic Church used for centuries when it kept all the services in LATIN, which most of the people it was supposed to ‘serve’ did not speak it, write it, or understand it. Even Italians.
            This has mostly changed … only in my lifetime … not that I cared.
            Dominus Wobiscum.

          17. nagy_michael2 Avatar
            nagy_michael2

            it don’t matter whether you read the Quran or the bible if you don’t practice the work of God and go on killing people then you’re polluting the religion and inciting other people against you. Unfortunately these thugs in Egypt cannot defeat the gov’t so they go on taking their revenge against nuns and innocent people. stop preaching the Quran and tell these followers of Lucifer to stop burning churches and killing in the name of Allah. God do not need Hizbollah or Jund allah and Most of Allah Hassan Nassrallah.. stop the baloney and raise your voice against evil no matter where it comes from.

          18. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Mohommed was 14 yrs old when the monk named bahia took mohommed peace be upon him to “protect” him. 26+yrs later Mohommed was known as the most trustworthy in all of mecca, he was that trust worthy that even after calling to islam both christians and jews kept there wealth with him because they knew how trust worthy he is. (Even after calling to islam) how could he be the most trust worthy and at the same time be the most decietful?
            Now correct me if im wrong you say jesus is god(or spirit of god) who worships one god? (Why does a god worship god)
            We understand that in all cases with our prophets in religion good conquers evil but in the case of your god who worships god evil kills god. So are prophets stronger than god? Astaghfirallah
            Ash hadu an la ilaha ilallah w ash hadu anu muhammad 3abdu w rasoolallah.
            I bear witness there is no god other than god and that muhammed is his slave and messenger.
            Very simple statement that could save you from dellusion and hellfire.

          19. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            You read yet you do not understand… Jesus was a manifestation of God. The flesh is nothing but a garment. After his resurrection He dwelt amongst us for a short while and then the Holy Spirit ascended.
            Jesus is too complex of a creation to be understood by men…
            “I and the Father are one” (John 10:38, 17:11,21)
            “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:11) .
            This means Jesus and the Father are the same God but distinct in nature.
            Here is a distinction between you and I: I do not believe that you will be cast in hellfire for not understanding religion or for following a certain belief but you will be treated according to your deeds not your belief.

          20. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            I am trying to be open minded really i am not being hostile lol but would it be possible he can be a manifestation of god yet die?
            Its precedent previous prophets had their orders from allah 3azowajal and eventually they perished. So is it possible jesus 3alayhi sallam since he perished was just a messenger or prophet?. I mean what hope is left in religion if god could die astaghfirallah?
            Deads play a part in every humans life if he is rewarded in this life for his deads his beliefs may not sufficed him to get through to heaven but he ‘may’ have already recieved enough reward in this short life equal to his deads.

          21. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            “He has already revealed to you in the Scripture, that when you hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, you are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme. If you did, you would be like them…” (Qur’an 4:140)
            “Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned.” (Qur’an 45:14)
            “Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day: that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy.” (Qur’an 20:130)

          22. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Do you need to throw out a few things written after Mohammad died then? 😉

          23. Btru2u Avatar
            Btru2u

            I love you brother, and I admire you patience for the people you are talking to , for they are in De Nile.
            These are some verses or them, us, and the people that want protection from the Anti-Christ.

            018:100

            And We will present Hell that Day to the Disbelievers, on display –
            018:101

            Those whose eyes had been within a cover [removed] from My remembrance, and they were not able to hear.
            018:102

            Then do those who disbelieve think that they can take My servants instead of Me as allies? Indeed, We have prepared Hell for the disbelievers as a lodging.
            018:103

            Say, [O Muhammad], “Shall we [believers] inform you of the greatest losers as to [their] deeds?
            018:104

            [They are] those whose effort is lost in worldly life, while they think that they are doing well in work.”
            018:105

            Those are the ones who disbelieve in the verses of their Lord and in [their] meeting Him, so their deeds have become worthless; and We will not assign to them on the Day of Resurrection any importance.
            018:106

            That is their recompense – Hell – for what they denied and [because] they took My signs and My messengers in ridicule.
            018:107

            Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds – they will have the Gardens of Paradise as a lodging,
            018:108

            Wherein they abide eternally. They will not desire from it any transfer.
            018:109

            Say, “If the sea were ink for [writing] the words of my Lord, the sea would be exhausted before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even if We brought the like of it as a supplement.”
            018:110

            Say, “I am only a man like you, to whom has been revealed that your god is one God. So whoever would hope for the meeting with his Lord – let him do righteous work and not associate in the worship of his Lord anyone.”

          24. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Sallam 3allaykom akhi, i love you too for the sake of allah
            .Sulayman ibn Qasim said that

            the reward of every deed is known, except for the reward of patience, which will be like heavy rain.

          25. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Since we now have some experience with flying in space, maybe we could have a little ‘modern’ conjecture story.
            Assume you are God. You did the creation thing and you ramble around the universe you created, dusting the shelves so to speak. One day you pop back to your blue planet, to see how this ‘lonely’ experiment is going. But from ‘on high’ you really can’t get a feel for it. And yet, the things you created are too delicate for your personal touch (imagine a mountain on a fabergé egg ) and you can’t just land in the middle of the masses which seem to have grown strangely while you were away. So … you put yourself into a delicate form (human) and make the journey ‘for the experience’. You sample the experience from birth, take on a simple carpentry job eventually, and observe the life floating past you each day.
            You note it isn’t quite what you thought you had planned originally. So you decide to do a walkabout and chat with the evolving creations. Some seem to listen … and you say what you came to say. The whole thing is going along very interestingly, but you notice there are things you didn’t plan on, and some don’t listen at all. Usually only the children of humans, who always enjoy good stories – and mostly the other animals just cuddle.
            BUT, there are some humans who don’t want you telling the stories.
            You know this because you are God. And YET, you don’t want to wipe them all out again … you tried it with a big flood the last time and it seems it didn’t work, although you picked one great guy to hold the evolutionary ship together. And it takes so long to grow a bunch again. So … to make a long story short ….
            You decide to get out of the human form by letting them kill it off, but forgive them all – because after all you DID create the mess – it’s not all their fault – and let them get on with it. But you want to leave the messages behind – ‘post-it notes’ for the future, just to see if maybe they can ‘get it’. After all, Moses broke the last notes in a fit of rage you hadn’t assumed he was capable of.
            It needs to be special.
            So you arrange a little ‘rising ceremony’. Beautiful. By this time a few of them are writing down what is happening to you anyway, even if they can’t understand it all. And it is done. They see the spirit rise. ‘Ta-Da’!
            And there it is. The Father, the son, and the spirit – which we all think are Holy, because we also believe in ghosts – and read the ‘post-it’ notes on occasion.

          26. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            (wow … no comments at all … I didn’t think it was that complicated … ) :-))))

          27. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Heya 5th i really just want to give an answer to satisfy (not lacking depth or too in depth) while also trying to balance work/social and reacreation time. I always appreciate your input.
            One day ill be a 5atyar and live off my pension like you 3amo 🙂
            Trying to think about this concept was counter productive on my behalf because to assume i am god astaghfirallah cqn and will lead to narcissism and sociopathy.
            Qul huwa allah w ahad allahu samad lam yalid walam yulad walam yakun lahu kufwan ahad.

            Say he, allah is one. Allah is he on whome all depend. He begets not and nor is he begotten. There is none like him.

          28. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Beautiful!

          29. master09 Avatar
            master09

            The blind will remain blind till the day they open the door and let me in to their hearts.

          30. Btru2u Avatar
            Btru2u

            018:1

            [All] praise is [due] to Allah , who has sent down upon His Servant the Book and has not made therein any deviance.
            018:2

            [He has made it] straight, to warn of severe punishment from Him and to give good tidings to the believers who do righteous deeds that they will have a good reward
            018:3

            In which they will remain forever
            018:4

            And to warn those who say, ” Allah has taken a son.”
            018:5

            They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths; they speak not except a lie.
            018:6

            So do not kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muhammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and] out of sorrow.
            018:7

            Indeed, We have made that which is on the earth adornment for it that We may test them [as to] which of them is best in deed.

          31. wargame1 Avatar
            wargame1

            “Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

            Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

            He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

            And there is none like unto Him.”

            Quran 112

          32. wargame1 Avatar
            wargame1

            ” O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs ” Quran 4:117

          33. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            The point is, Reasonable, that if they didn’t ‘follow’ that book (those books) so closely, and gave a thought for their lives and what they could contribute, perhaps to what is ‘right and just’ for all the humans in the world for instance, or how to put more food on people’s tables without poisoning them, then they would be doing the good a god would wish to see on His planet.

          34. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Although we have different views i admire your passion to keeping it simple and seeking a conclusion based on rightousness and justice.

          35. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Thanks. I try … simplicity is where a thought must begin.
            If i do extrapolate with a lifetime of observation, on occasion, or a conclusion based on that, I forget to take it back to the simple first – and others surely will never understand my conclusions without having me writing my own books.
            Then I’d need a lot more scotch. :-)))

    3. dateam Avatar
      dateam

      You cannot pick and choose when and where you want apply this theory….They have already shown under mursi that this has happened before…theyve attacked the copts and killed a shiite cleric in cold blood….The bigger picture in this is how it came to what it has? Is this now a struggle between saudia arabia who claim they are against the mb and qatar who support it yet have been muted by the usa and ksa with the emir being forced to step down?

    4. Constantin7 Avatar
      Constantin7

      Reasonableman: You doubt that these churches were burnt by muslims ? You need an evidence ? You are being completely unreasonable now ! 🙂 The ones who burnt those churches are devout muslims who are applying the Koran and Mohammad’s teachings PERIOD. The same way I truly believe that Hariri was assassinated by the Syrian regime, I truly believe that these churches were burnt by these devout muslims, and I do not need any evidence for that. You can call them corrupted or whatever you want. To top it all, neither the copts nor the church has anything to do with the army toppling Morsi, but those “corrupted” individuals found (through their belief system and human and godly values they were taught) that it is “normal and good” to burn these churches and maybe kill few copts in this mele.
      Go back to REASON Reasonbleman, and stop defending criminals !!!

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Bro your being one eyed now, ok individuals have torched churches i didn’t and wouldn’t disagree with facts. But 17 in one day? Reasonably i put myself in the shoes of the copts and the muslims to try and make a fair conclusion of what why where and how things happened. (Waste of time but i was very emotional and couldn’t get a blink of sleep because of the situation in the middle east) 17 in one day is unprecedent for egypt dude get real. If you go back in history and read up upon the algerian civil war you will see that these war tactics were used against islamists after a legitamite victory in parliment. Saying that ONLY muslims are the ones burning the churches is like saying only christian copts are the ones commiting massacres.
        Why would they burn churches and not go kill women and children like the barstad sisi’s army has done? They have the materials needed? So thats what brought me to the conclusion my friend.
        I dont plan on constant(ine) sleep loss over the fact you disagree with me due to my *belief system* if your ever in sydney australia i would like to invite you for a coffee or even over my place so we can exchange raw thoughts on our belief system. Enjoy your day
        PEACE FOR THE MIDDLE EAST

        1. Constantin7 Avatar
          Constantin7

          Peace to you to my friend. Yes we disagree but we definitely can exchange our thoughts in a civilized way, which I appreciate a lot with you. And I hope you are getting some constant(tin) sleep now….touche 🙂
          Oh thank you for the invitation, but I’ve never been in Australia (and a trip there is not in my plans either) but from documentaries I imagine the nature is very beautiful (a little bit like Lebanon), but watch for those sharks on the beach !!!!

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            And onto you constantine, hahaha that activated the ants in my pants im too used to MR serious constantine. Beautiful beaches, bondi beach is one of my favourites and the sharks don’t worry the dont eat halal meat 🙂

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            I’d be after the sharkettes. :-)) I hear Shark-fin is Halal … a most natural thing. :-)))
            The ‘flank-steaks’ were a little chewy …

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          17 not a good number really how about 15 or 10 or even 1 is that not enough.

  6. Reasonableman Avatar
    Reasonableman

    Egypt has a vast population of mujahadine, the brotherhood protesters and passbyers suffered major HUMAN losses for what the western backed couped believe is justice. Most who were killed were guilty only for supporting a legitimate government who won the elections and bearing no arms except the sharp tongues which the western backed military couldnt handle. If the mujahadine put in there heads to destroyand conquer you would of heard alot more life taken from the other side but they didn’t. When reading this post it seems very persuasive to think the burnt churches were the works of muslims but where is the evidence?? This is the work of corrupted individuals who seek to spread sectarianism.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      One can hope. Too hard to tell now for sure. It’s simply done, when anarchy begins to rule.

    2. The real lebanese Avatar
      The real lebanese

      Who else would have done it? Haven’t the radical brotherhood Islamists been threatening the coptics? But why the Coptics? Its like the families of the abducted ‘pilgrims’ taking their anger out on the Turks.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Yes. Same lack of reasoning.

      2. dateam Avatar
        dateam

        Lets face it although yes the mb were democratically elected and yes technically they were overthrown by the army…they didnt help themselves either…mursi putting in a governor that was jailed for terror attacks in 1997 against tourists and grabbing the same sort of extra powers mubarak was overthrown for added to their demise…the people in egypt wanted economic change an easier life , work , health education and all that was overlooked by the rush of blood to the mb of gaining power…whether this is all they know or it got to their egos or was forced on them noone will ever know…The interesting thing that alot of people have missed is that the army are looking at charging mursi for treason so their is something their they believe is illegal and a threat to the security of egypt…to equate it to the kidnappings in lebanon to me is a bit extreme…burning holy sites and kidnapping 2 people is a bit far to relate however not condoning and 2 wrongs dont make a right…i guess desparation leads to drastic measures unless we were in that situation i mean would we do the same thing if we were in that situation? Bottom line the circus in the middle east roles on and the people come last. I mean look around in nigeria muslims walked into a mosque and killed 44 muslims? Where is this madness going?

        1. Reasonableman Avatar
          Reasonableman

          For once we agree

          1. dateam Avatar
            dateam

            Bro theres nothing wrong with disagreeing either as long as people present their arguments or points of some sort of fact or common sense…the problem is when people go into primitive mode and get all sectarian…have a look around at whats happening….i mean isnt it odd we had an arab spring people made their choices and now its kind of being reversed back to what it was? Palestinians went throught the same thing they did what uncle sam wanted they had elections then west didnt like what they chose so they blockaded gaza for 2 years and now palestinians are split? Isnt it weird how now all the arab armies are tied up fighting internally? Syria,lebanon,egypt,tunisia,pakistan,yemen,iraq and on and on? This to me is the bigger picture not who u are what you are cause its the people regardless of all that are paying the price.

        2. Patience2 Avatar
          Patience2

          The rise of the stupid.

      3. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        There really is no answer to that but the guessing game which i myself am guilty of isnt the solution either. Both the burning of churches and killing of protesters is not very noble its just fuel to the fire which is destroying the arab fabric. It ts clear these teachings of terror is neither from the teachings of the bible nor from the quran. These are tactics of sick human beings with inflated egos.
        PEACE FOR THE MIDDLE EAST

        1. Sandy Reis Avatar
          Sandy Reis

          You’re dead wrong. It is the teaching of the koran.

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.” (Qur’an 16:125)

            “And do not argue with the followers of the Book except by what is best, save with those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit.” (Qur’an 29:46)

            Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.” (Qur’an 2:256)

            “If your Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind one people: but they will not cease to dispute.” (Qur’an 11:118)

            “And do thou be patient, for thy patience is but from Allah; nor grieve over them: and distress not thyself because of their plots. For Allah is with those who restrain themselves, and those who do good.” (Qur’an 16:127-128)

          2. Sandy Reis Avatar
            Sandy Reis

            The koran does allow the following things, especially if it furthers islam/sharia:
            raping, killing, slavery, terrorist attacks, discrimination, jihad, killing other muslims, honor killings, temporary marriages etc.
            Theres no need to keep this charade or yours because we ALL know islam teaches and allows this behavior that muslims demonstrate ALL OVER THE WORLD.

          3. Btru2u Avatar
            Btru2u

            *۞* لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ ٱلنَّاسِ عَدَٰوَةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ ٱلْيَهُودَ وَٱلَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا۟ ۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُم مَّوَدَّةً لِّلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓا۟ إِنَّا نَصَٰرَىٰ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَانًا وَأَنَّهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ

            Latajidanna ashadda alnnasi AAadawatan lillatheena amanoo alyahooda waallatheena ashrakoo walatajidanna aqrabahum mawaddatan lillatheena amanoo allatheena qaloo inna nasara thalika bianna minhum qisseeseena waruhbanan waannahum la yastakbiroona

            Of all men you will find the Jews and those who associate others with Allah in His divinity to be the most hostile to those who believe; and you will surely find that of ail people they who say: ‘We are Christians’, are closest to feeling affection for those who believe. This is because there are worshipful priests and monks among them, and because they are not arrogant.

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            The actions (and words) of MOST ‘Uber-Religious’ people turned me off of them all a long time ago.

          5. Sandy Reis Avatar
            Sandy Reis

            Your koran is evil .It teaches you to hate Jews and Christians. Christians and Jews all know islam is a fake religion and mohammad was nothing but an illiterate madman. We dont listen to a word you say or your evil koranic quotes lol. Its muslims that are evil and volatile towards non-muslims. Its muslims who come to our countries, live off welfare, rape us, kill us, etc. like the Pakistanis in Rochdale Oxford UK and “muslim rape wave.” We all know the evil islam teaches and condones. You still are wondering why people dont trust muslims and hate islam lol. We know your evil koran teaches you to hate us and we know islam is not a real religion.

          6. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            WHAT A TRUE CHRISTIAN WOULD SAY TO A MOSLEM
            First of, muslim scholars attempting to explain passages of the Qur’an had difficulty doing so. The Qur’an was not originally written in Arabic but in a mixture with Syriac, which was the dominant language of Arabia until the 8th century. That explains its schizophrenic message.
            The Qur’an evolved from other Hebrew and Christian texts to become the work we know today and is not “mounzal”. If it were “mounzal” it would not have been written in a timed language, as it is written in a very Archaic Arabic incomprehensible to modern day speakers … It would have been universal and easy read so all humans may comprehend it until the end of times.
            Secondly, The Qur’an badly distorts Christian beliefs.
            The phrase “only begotten” (which in the Qur’an it says ittakhaza) does not refer to physical father / son relation but to a special spiritual relationship with God (as the Qur’an says: “wa nafakhna fiihi min ruuhina”.
            Christians who understand the doctrine well, know that God is but ONE and that he dwelt the Earth via Jesus who spoke the words of God through the Holy Spirit… THAT IS ONE GOD manifesting Himself in different forms. He is as you moslem say “qaadiron 3ala kulli shay’” so is it that hard for Him to reach out to humans in a human form?
            The Qur’an contains many errors about what Christians believe and practice and the most significant error is that the Qur’an misrepresents the Christian doctrine of the Trinity. Muhammad never understood the doctrine of the Trinity because his teacher, a heretic monk, distorted the truth to him while indoctrinating him to a sect of Christianity opposed to the mainstream one at the time.

            and ONE LAST THING! We really do not need you to tolerate Christianity… We really need you to mind your own business. Let God decide which path is the one leading to Him and He has done that… You are living the results. Look at the Christian West and compare it to your Moslem East and decide which has a better life.

          7. cook2half Avatar
            cook2half

            Very nice post

          8. Btru2u Avatar
            Btru2u

            إِنَّا أَنْـزَلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُون

            “We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an so you people may understand / use reason” (12:2):

            Does the verse indicate superiority of Arabic language?

            This verse is not inferring that the choice of using the Arabic language is due to any intrinsic superiorities over other languages.

            The Qur’an is sent as guidance to all mankind. The language of Scriptures, as and when they are sent down to different generations and regions, is in the language of the messenger and the people who are immediately around him:

            “We have not sent any Messenger except with the language of his people so he can make things clear to them. Allah misguides anyone He wills and guides anyone He wills. He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. (Qur’an 14:4)

            Thus, for those people caught in the darkness of disbelief at the prophet’s time, it was a great blessing that Allah sent a messenger with a magnificent Scripture in their language, which they could understand and use their reasoning over.

            “A Messenger, reciting Allah’s clear Verses to you to bring those who believe and do right actions out of the darkness into the Light. Whoever believes in Allah and acts rightly, We will admit him into Gardens…” (Qur’an 65:11)

            The verses on sending the Qur’an in Arabic should therefore be perceived in this light. Had the Qur’an been in a foreign language, it would not be possible for the speakers of the language who received it or the messenger, to take its message to the world. In other words, although the Quranic message is for the world, this verse is more specifically addressed to those who understood the language (…”so that you may understand”)…emphasising on appreciating what would have happened had it been in a language other than their tongue. This is proved in the following verses:

            “So We have revealed an Arabic Quran to you, in order that you may warn the capital city and all who live nearby…” (Qur’an 42:7)

            “We have made the Qur’an easy in your language so that they may take heed it.” (Qur’an 44:58)

            “If We had made it a foreign Quran, they would have said, ‘If only its verses were clear! What? Foreign speech to an Arab?’ Say, ‘It is guidance and healing for those who have faith, but the ears of the disbelievers are heavy, they are blind to it, it is as if they are being called from a distant place.’ (Qur’an 41:44)

            So when Allah says:

            “We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur’an so you people may understand / reason” (Qur’an 12:2)

            We can clearly see it is in reference to the above verses – to the blessing that Allah revealed clear wisdom and guidance in a language they can understand and be able to reason over (Arabic).

            Therefore, Verse 12:2 (and 43:3) are not classing the Arabic language as being linguistically superior to other languages of the world, nor do they mean to indicate any intrinsic linguistic qualities of the Arabic language over others as being the motivational factor in its choice. Yet, it is wrongly taught in great many literature that the Arabic language has been divinely shown or praised in the Qur’an for its qualities – which is followed on by other exaggerated claims like it being the language of Paradise etc.

            To imply Arabic is not superior in any of its aspects is not the intention of this article, just that it is not the intention of Quranic verses to imply that it is. Previous Scriptures of Allah had been in non-Arabic languages. Every Scripture has been as worthy, and capable of providing guidance to mankind as the Qur’an, despite being in non-Arabic languages. This shows that the Qur’an is not superior to other Scriptures as also proven by ‘we do not differentiate between any of the messengers’ (2:136).

            To conclude, 12:2 and 43:3 are there to point to Allah’s blessing to mankind in sending them a Scripture speaking the language of the people who received it, so that they can understand and spread it’s message to the rest of the world. They are not indicating Arabic as being a language superior to other languages.

            A misunderstanding of 41:44

            “If We had made it a foreign Quran, they would have said, ‘If only its verses were clear! What? Foreign speech to an Arab?’ Say, ‘It is guidance and healing for those who have faith, but the ears of the disbelievers are heavy, they are blind to it, it is as if they are being called from a distant place.’ (Qur’an 41:44)

            This verse is in reference to the immediate people who heard the Qur’an, describing the scenario had they heard the Qur’an in a foreign language. Some people assume it is in reference to all people, thus they think the portion:

            “…they would have said, ‘If only its verses were clear (literally ‘detailed / explained فُصِّلَتْ)!’

            …is an exclamation from all people of all languages. In other words, they are saying, if the Qur’an was non-Arabic, then a speaker of that language reading the Qur’an in his language would complain that the Qur’an was not detailed enough because it was not in the Arabic language. This is a highly unfeasible and unrealistic understanding because why would a man reading the Qur’an in his language make such a claim? Consider a parallel scenario where you are reading a very enjoyable book in English, what are the chances of you wanting the book in, say, Chinese, given:

            1) You are reading, enjoying and understanding an eloquent Book.

            2) Nothing is lacking in this language to not be able to describe any ideas.

            3) You have no knowledge of the foreign language to even compare (assuming you do not speak Chinese!)

            No doubt, such an explanation is completely irrational. Their intention behind this understanding is to explain 12:2 and 43:3 as references to Arabic as a linguistically superior language, which is as we have seen, something the verse is not trying to indicate.

          9. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            That is NOT what I said… Which proves your brainwashed logic. You read but you do not understand because YOU CHOSE NOT to understand.
            What I said is that the arabic of the Qur’an is NOT the same Arabic of today… and it would have been written as such by God if he wished the message to be timeless as languages evolve and the Arabic of today is NOT the Arabic of the Qur’an.

          10. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            If your Lord had so willed, He could have made mankind one people: but they will not cease to dispute.” (Qur’an 11:118)

          11. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            The ‘Tower of Babel’ story Reasonable? 😉

          12. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Very centered thought, i do not disagree but i do not agree either.

          13. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Perhaps the engineers of 3000 years ago – wonderful as they were – did not quite agree either. But at that time, there is no evidence that they understood the physics involved in reaching out to the hand of God from the top of a tower high enough to do it – although, as we note even now, some still attempt to build the highest towers. 🙂
            The simplicity of one question is the centre of the thought. Why do we all speak different languages? The story says ‘God did it’. I think in this day and age we need to consider other factors. Just as there are other ‘factors’ to dispute when we don’t know the physics.

          14. Btru2u Avatar
            Btru2u

            You have already admitted that the bible is an inception of the Jews, and therefore, not the word of God. So you just make up what ever you want to believe . So to you your religion and to me , mine.

          15. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Do you know the difference between the bible and the new testament?

          16. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            That is the same stupid ‘rational’ the Roman Catholic Church used for centuries when it kept all the services in LATIN, which most of the people it was supposed to ‘serve’ did not speak it, write it, or understand it. Even Italians.
            This has mostly changed … only in my lifetime … not that I cared.

          17. nagy_michael2 Avatar
            nagy_michael2

            it don’t matter whether you read the Quran or the bible if you don’t practice the work of God and go on killing people then you’re polluting the religion and inciting other people against you. Unfortunately these thugs in Egypt cannot defeat the gov’t so they go on taking their revenge against nuns and innocent people. stop preaching the Quran and tell these followers of Lucifer to stop burning churches and killing in the name of Allah. God do not need Hizbollah or Jund allah and Most of Allah Hassan Nassrallah.. stop the baloney and raise your voice against evil no matter where it comes from.

          18. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Mohommed was 14 yrs old when the monk named bahia took mohommed peace be upon him to “protect” him. 36+yrs later Mohommed was known as the most trustworthy in all of mecca, he was that trust worthy that even after calling to islam both christians and jews kept there wealth with him because they knew how trust worthy he is. (Even after calling to islam) how could he be the most trust worthy and at the same time be the most decietful?
            Now correct me if im wrong you say jesus is god(or spirit of god) who worships one god? (Why does a god worship god)
            We understand that in all cases with our prophets in religion good conquers evil but in the case of your god who worships god evil kills god. So are prophets stronger than god? Astaghfirallah
            Ash hadu an la ilaha ilallah w ash hadu anu muhammad 3abdu w rasoolallah.
            I bear witness there is no god other than god and that muhammed is his slave and messenger.
            Very simple statement that could save you from dellusion and hellfire.

          19. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            You read yet you do not understand… Jesus was a manifestation of God. The flesh is nothing but a garment. After his resurrection He dwelt amongst us for a short while and then the Holy Spirit ascended.
            Jesus is too complex of a creation to be understood by men…
            “I and the Father are one” (John 10:38, 17:11,21)
            “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:11) .
            This means Jesus and the Father are the same God but distinct in nature.
            Here is a distinction between you and I: I do not believe that you will be cast in hellfire for not understanding religion or for following a certain belief but you will be treated according to your deeds not your belief.

          20. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            I am trying to be open minded really i am not being hostile lol but would it be possible he can be a manifestation of god yet die?
            Its precedent previous prophets had their orders from allah 3azowajal and eventually they perished. So is it possible jesus 3alayhi sallam since he perished was just a messenger or prophet?. I mean what hope is left in religion if god could die astaghfirallah?
            Deads play a part in every humans life if he is rewarded in this life for his deads his beliefs may not sufficed him to get through to heaven but he ‘may’ have already recieved enough reward in this short life equal to his deads.

          21. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            “He has already revealed to you in the Scripture, that when you hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, you are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme. If you did, you would be like them…” (Qur’an 4:140)
            “Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned.” (Qur’an 45:14)
            “Therefore be patient with what they say, and celebrate (constantly) the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun, and before its setting; yea, celebrate them for part of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day: that thou mayest have (spiritual) joy.” (Qur’an 20:130)

          22. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Do you need to throw out a few things written after Mohammad died then? 😉

          23. Btru2u Avatar
            Btru2u

            I love you brother, and I admire you patience for the people you are talking to , for they are in De Nile.
            These are some verses or them, us, and the people that want protection from the Anti-Christ.

            018:100

            And We will present Hell that Day to the Disbelievers, on display –
            018:101

            Those whose eyes had been within a cover [removed] from My remembrance, and they were not able to hear.
            018:102

            Then do those who disbelieve think that they can take My servants instead of Me as allies? Indeed, We have prepared Hell for the disbelievers as a lodging.
            018:103

            Say, [O Muhammad], “Shall we [believers] inform you of the greatest losers as to [their] deeds?
            018:104

            [They are] those whose effort is lost in worldly life, while they think that they are doing well in work.”
            018:105

            Those are the ones who disbelieve in the verses of their Lord and in [their] meeting Him, so their deeds have become worthless; and We will not assign to them on the Day of Resurrection any importance.
            018:106

            That is their recompense – Hell – for what they denied and [because] they took My signs and My messengers in ridicule.
            018:107

            Indeed, those who have believed and done righteous deeds – they will have the Gardens of Paradise as a lodging,
            018:108

            Wherein they abide eternally. They will not desire from it any transfer.
            018:109

            Say, “If the sea were ink for [writing] the words of my Lord, the sea would be exhausted before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even if We brought the like of it as a supplement.”
            018:110

            Say, “I am only a man like you, to whom has been revealed that your god is one God. So whoever would hope for the meeting with his Lord – let him do righteous work and not associate in the worship of his Lord anyone.”

          24. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Sallam 3allaykom akhi, i love you too for the sake of allah
            .Sulayman ibn Qasim said that

            the reward of every deed is known, except for the reward of patience, which will be like heavy rain.

          25. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Since we have some experience with flying in space, maybe we could have a little modern conjecture story.
            Assume you are God. You did the creation thing and you ramble around the universe you created, dusting the shelves so to speak. One day you pop back to your blue planet, to see how this ‘lonely’ experiment is going. But from ‘on high’ you really can’t get a feel for it. And yet, the things you created are too delicate for your personal touch (imagine a mountain on a fabergé egg ) and you can’t just land in the middle of the masses which seem to have grown strangely while you were away. So … you put yourself into a delicate form (human) and make the journey ‘for the experience’. You sample the experience from birth, take on a simple carpentry job eventually, and observe the life floating past you each day.
            You note it isn’t quite what you thought you had planned originally. So you decide to do a walkabout and chat with the evolving creations. Some seem to listen … and you say what you came to say. The whole thing is going along very interestingly, but you notice there are things you didn’t plan on, and some don’t listen at all. Usually only the children of humans, who always enjoy good stories – and mostly the other animals just cuddle.
            BUT, there are some humans who don’t want you telling the stories.
            You know this because you are God. And YET, you don’t want to wipe them all out again … you tried it with a big flood the last time and it seems it didn’t work. And it takes so long to grow a bunch again. So … to make a long story short ….
            You decide to get out of the human form by letting them kill it off, but forgive them all – because after all you DID create the mess – it’s not all their fault – and let them get on with it. But you want to leave the messages behind – ‘post-it notes’ for the future, just to see if maybe they can ‘get it’. After all, Moses broke the last notes in a fit of rage you hadn’t assumed he was capable of.

            It needs to be special.
            So you arrange a little ‘rising ceremony’. Beautiful. By this time a few of them are writing down what is happening to you anyway, even if they can’t understand it all. And it is done. They see the spirit rise. ‘Ta-Da’!
            And there it is. The Father, the son, and the spirit – which we all think are Holy, because we also believe in ghosts – and read the ‘post-it’ notes on occasion.

          26. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            (wow … no comments at all … I didn’t think it was that complicated … ) :-))))

          27. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Heya 5th i really just want to give an answer to satisfy (not lacking depth or too in depth) while also trying to balance work/social and reacreation time. I always appreciate your input.
            Trying to think about this concept was counter productive on my behalf because to assume i am god astaghfirallah cqn and will lead to narcissism and sociopathy.
            Qul huwa allah w ahad allahu samad lam yalid walam yulad walam yakun lahu kufwan ahad.

            Say he, allah is one. Allah is he on whome all depend. He begets not and nor is he begotten. There is none like him.

          28. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Beautiful!

          29. master09 Avatar
            master09

            The blind will remain blind till the day they open the door and let me in to their hearts.

          30. Btru2u Avatar
            Btru2u

            018:1

            [All] praise is [due] to Allah , who has sent down upon His Servant the Book and has not made therein any deviance.
            018:2

            [He has made it] straight, to warn of severe punishment from Him and to give good tidings to the believers who do righteous deeds that they will have a good reward
            018:3

            In which they will remain forever
            018:4

            And to warn those who say, ” Allah has taken a son.”
            018:5

            They have no knowledge of it, nor had their fathers. Grave is the word that comes out of their mouths; they speak not except a lie.
            018:6

            So do not kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muhammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and] out of sorrow.
            018:7

            Indeed, We have made that which is on the earth adornment for it that We may test them [as to] which of them is best in deed.

          31. wargame1 Avatar
            wargame1

            “Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;

            Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;

            He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;

            And there is none like unto Him.”

            Quran 112

          32. wargame1 Avatar
            wargame1

            ” O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs ” Quran 4:117

          33. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            The point is, Reasonable, that if they didn’t ‘follow’ that book (those books) so closely, and gave a thought for their lives and what they could contribute, perhaps to what is ‘right and just’ for all the humans in the world for instance, or how to put more food on people’s tables without poisoning them, then they would be doing the good a god would wish to see on His planet.

          34. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            Although we have different views i admire your passion to keeping it simple and seeking a conclusion based on rightousness and justice.

          35. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Thanks. I try … simplicity is where a thought must begin.
            If i do extrapolate with a lifetime of observation, on occasion, or a conclusion based on that, I forget to take it back to the simple first – and others surely will never understand my conclusions without having me writing my own books.
            Then I’d need a lot more scotch. :-)))

    3. dateam Avatar
      dateam

      You cannot pick and choose when and where you want apply this theory….They have already shown under mursi that this has happened before…theyve attacked the copts and killed a shiite cleric in cold blood….The bigger picture in this is how it came to what it has? Is this now a struggle between saudia arabia who claim they are against the mb and qatar who support it yet have been muted by the usa and ksa with the emir being forced to step down?

    4. Constantin7 Avatar
      Constantin7

      Reasonableman: You doubt that these churches were burnt by muslims ? You need an evidence ? You are being completely unreasonable now ! 🙂 The ones who burnt those churches are devout muslims who are applying the Koran and Mohammad’s teachings PERIOD. The same way I truly believe that Hariri was assassinated by the Syrian regime, I truly believe that these churches were burnt by these devout muslims, and I do not need any evidence for that. You can call them corrupted or whatever you want. To top it all, neither the copts nor the church has anything to do with the army toppling Morsi, but those “corrupted” individuals found (through their belief system and human and godly values they were taught) that it is “normal and good” to burn these churches and maybe kill few copts in this mele.
      Go back to REASON Reasonbleman, and stop defending criminals !!!

      1. Reasonableman Avatar
        Reasonableman

        Bro your being one eyed now, ok individuals have torched churches i didn’t and wouldn’t disagree with facts. But 17 in one day? Reasonably i put myself in the shoes of the copts and the muslims to try and make a fair conclusion of what why where and how things happened. (Waste of time but i was very emotional and couldn’t get a blink of sleep because of the situation in the middle east) 17 in one day is unprecedent for egypt dude get real. If you go back in history and read up upon the algerian civil war you will see that these war tactics were used against islamists after a legitamite victory in parliment. Saying that ONLY muslims are the ones burning the churches is like saying only christian copts are the ones commiting massacres.
        PEACE FOR THE MIDDLE EAST

        1. Constantin7 Avatar
          Constantin7

          Peace to you to my friend. Yes we disagree but we definitely can exchange our thoughts in a civilized way, which I appreciate a lot with you. And I hope you are getting some constant(tin) sleep now….touche 🙂
          Oh thank you for the invitation, but I’ve never been in Australia (and a trip there is not in my plans either) but from documentaries I imagine the nature is very beautiful (a little bit like Lebanon), but watch for those sharks on the beach !!!!

          1. Reasonableman Avatar
            Reasonableman

            And onto you constantine, hahaha that activated the ants in my pants im too used to MR serious constantine. Beautiful beaches, bondi beach is one of my favourites and the sharks don’t worry the dont eat halal meat 🙂

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            I’d be after the sharkettes. :-)) I hear Shark-fin is Halal … a most natural thing. :-)))

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          17 not a good number really how about 15 or 10 or even 1 is that not enough.

  7. The real lebanese Avatar
    The real lebanese

    Well, the brotherhood lost its chance in Egypt.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Too much useless ‘dialogue’ … army got tired of it.

      1. The real lebanese Avatar
        The real lebanese

        Same scenario in Lebanon maybe?

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          After 5 years with nothing really improving … yes, quite possible.
          (actually getting worse)

  8. The real lebanese Avatar
    The real lebanese

    Well, the brotherhood lost its chance in Egypt.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Too much useless ‘dialogue’ … army got tired of it.

      1. The real lebanese Avatar
        The real lebanese

        Same scenario in Lebanon maybe?

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          After 5 years with nothing really improving … yes, quite possible.

  9. Hannibal Avatar
    Hannibal

    The religion of peace is at it again… The most violent, intolerant, abusive, bigoted religion in the world today bar none…

    Go worship a stone if you like, it is none of my business, but do not throw it at me.

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing… If there exist good men in Islam (and I am NOT talking about those who are born muslim and do not practice), those who practice and make us believe that they are not bigots, why don’t they rise once and for all and stop those evil doers? Moderate Islam is a mouthful… Tolerant Islam is another mouthful… What we need is peaceful Islam. That does not exist… I really do not need a moslem to tolerate me, I need him to get the hell out of my way and leave me be. Is that too much to ask?

    The Quran contains more than 110 verses that call Muslims to war with non-Muslims. Some verses are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.

    Mohammed (the Prophet of Islam): Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not… But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”” (That is NOT dictated by God but the work of a bigot).

    Jesus (Born from the true Holy Spirit): “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.”
    “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
    “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment;”

    Now go ahead and choose what path to take… Which is the way to heaven OOOOH Jihadists… Mus’ab Hassan Yousuf, Son of Hamas has done that… He chose why don’t you?
    ———————————>
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHq25tnZoFs

    1. Constantin7 Avatar
      Constantin7

      This guy, Hassan Mosaab, is my hero. Him and Wafa Sultan are the most courageous muslim people I have seen. Of course, they fled their own countries (Palestine and Syria) and live in the land of the FREE, the United States of America….God bless America !!!

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Let’s not go overboard Constantin … 😉

      2. wargame1 Avatar
        wargame1

        Pray as they way it was prescribed by Allah.

        “Now Manoah and his wife were watching, and they fell on their faces to the ground.” (Judges 13:20)

        “And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and said, “The LORD, he is God; the LORD, he is God.”( 1 kings 18:39)

        “David rose from beside the stone heap and fell on his face to the ground ” ( 1 Samuel 20: 41)

        “And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped” (Joshua 5:14)

        “When Abraham’s servant heard their words, he bowed himself to the earth before the LORD” .(Genesis 24:52)

    2. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      why dont you ask America and Europe not to support the Muslim Brotherhood? Didnt you see the 20 million Egyptians took to the street to overthrow Morsi? Where is your good man ,I think they are interested to keep the hood in power. And the hood was about to sign a $4.8 Billion IMF loan but failed! Do you think Europe and America give a hoot to your churches? I am sorry to see this but you know from the beginning that I never supported this group. They are using the name Muslim but they are organized by the sufi and they are connected to Freemasonry. This is the reason they are cuddled by America and Europe.

    3. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      Jesus praying to God:
      ”And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed”( Matthew 26:39)

      Even Jesus’ disciples submitted as Muslims:
      “When the disciples heard this, they fell on their faces and were terrified”( Matthew 17:6)

      “And Elijah went up to the top of Mount Carmel, And he bowed himself down on the earth and put his face between his knees” (1 kings 18: 42 )

      “And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God” (Revelations 7:11)

      “Oh come, let us worship and bow down;
      let us kneel before the LORD, our Maker! “(Psalm 95:6)

      “All the prosperous of the earth eat and worship;
      before him shall bow all who go down to the dust” ( Psalm 22:29)

      ——————————
      So you do not pray as your prophets prayed before but when the Muslims pray like them then you dont like it.

  10. Hannibal Avatar
    Hannibal

    The religion of peace is at it again… The most violent, intolerant, abusive, bigoted religion in the world today bar none…

    Go worship a stone if you like, it is none of my business, but do not throw it at me.

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing… If there exist good men in Islam (and I am NOT talking about those who are born muslim and do not practice), those who practice and make us believe that they are not bigots, why don’t they rise once and for all and stop those evil doers? Moderate Islam is a mouthful… Tolerant Islam is another mouthful… What we need is peaceful Islam. That does not exist… I really do not need a moslem to tolerate me, I need him to get the hell out of my way and leave me be. Is that too much to ask?

    The Quran contains more than 110 verses that call Muslims to war with non-Muslims. Some verses are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding.

    Mohammed (the Prophet of Islam): Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not… But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”” (That is NOT dictated by God but the work of a bigot).

    Jesus (Born from the true Holy Spirit): “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.”
    “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
    “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment;”

    Now go ahead and choose what path to take… Which is the way to heaven OOOOH Jihadists… Mus’ab Hassan Yousuf, Son of Hamas has done that… He chose why don’t you?
    ———————————>
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHq25tnZoFs

    1. Constantin7 Avatar
      Constantin7

      This guy, Hassan Mosaab, is my hero. Him and Wafa Sultan are the most courageous muslim people I have seen. Of course, they fled their own countries (Palestine and Syria) and live in the land of the FREE, the United States of America….God bless Ameria !!!

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Let’s not go overboard Constantin … 😉

      2. wargame1 Avatar
        wargame1

        Pray as they way it was prescribed by Allah.

        “Now Manoah and his wife were watching, and they fell on their faces to the ground.” (Judges 13:20)

        “And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces and said, “The LORD, he is God; the LORD, he is God.”( 1 kings 18:39)

        “David rose from beside the stone heap and fell on his face to the ground ” ( 1 Samuel 20: 41)

        “And Joshua fell on his face to the earth and worshiped” (Joshua 5:14)

        “When Abraham’s servant heard their words, he bowed himself to the earth before the LORD” .(Genesis 24:52)

    2. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      why dont you ask America and Europe not to support the Muslim Brotherhood? Didnt you see the 20 million Egyptians took to the street to overthrow Morsi? Where is your good man ,I think they are interested to keep the hood in power. And the hood was about to sign a $4.8 Billion IMF loan but failed! Do you think Europe and America give a hoot to your churches? I am sorry to see this but you know from the beginning that I never supported this group. They are using the name Muslim but they are organized by the sufi and they are connected to Freemasonry. This is the reason they are cuddled by America and Europe.

    3. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      Jesus praying to God:
      ”And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed”( Matthew 26:39)

      Even Jesus’ disciples submitted as Muslims:
      “When the disciples heard this, they fell on their faces and were terrified”( Matthew 17:6)

      “And Elijah went up to the top of Mount Carmel, And he bowed himself down on the earth and put his face between his knees” (1 kings 18: 42 )

      “And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God” (Revelations 7:11)

      “Oh come, let us worship and bow down;
      let us kneel before the LORD, our Maker! “(Psalm 95:6)

      “All the prosperous of the earth eat and worship;
      before him shall bow all who go down to the dust” ( Psalm 22:29)

      ——————————
      So you do not pray as your prophets prayed before but when the Muslims pray like them then you dont like it.

  11. Beiruti Avatar
    Beiruti

    CRIMINALS!

  12. Beiruti Avatar
    Beiruti

    CRIMINALS!

  13. Donna Ellen Rubino Avatar
    Donna Ellen Rubino

    and these are the people Obama is supporting, people who want Christians dead!!!!!!!!! NICE

    1. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      20 million Egyptians took to the street to overthrow this group. Do not turn a blind eye. Its is Europe and America who are giving pressure to the Egyptian government to reinstall Morsi. Now if Obama support them then its a shame for those who appoint this leader in the first place and then extended his term for the second time.

  14. Donna Ellen Rubino Avatar
    Donna Ellen Rubino

    and these are the people Obama is supporting, people who want Christians dead!!!!!!!!! NICE

    1. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      20 million Egyptians took to the street to overthrow this group. Do not turn a blind eye. Its is Europe and America who are giving pressure to the Egyptian government to reinstall Morsi. Now if Obama support them then its a shame for those who appoint this leader in the first place and then extended his term for the second time.

  15. thenaughtychristian Avatar
    thenaughtychristian

    The burning of churches by the muslim brotherhood is another example of why the muslim brotherhood are headed for more destruction and violence and why they had no business running the government and their leader was an inept president who deserved to be ousted. The plight of the Coptic Christians in egypt should be the headlines in every newspaper in AMERICA and deserve our protection and support

  16. thenaughtychristian Avatar
    thenaughtychristian

    The burning of churches by the muslim brotherhood is another example of why the muslim brotherhood are headed for more destruction and violence and why they had no business running the government and their leader was an inept president who deserved to be ousted. The plight of the Coptic Christians in egypt should be the headlines in every newspaper in AMERICA and deserve our protection and support

  17. Igor Chingoski Avatar
    Igor Chingoski

    Muslims hate every single Christian because We don’t worship smelling TIZA in front of Our noses as they do in their mosques.

    1. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      No We do not hate Christians nor do we hate the Jews. Your religion is your right to practice. And bowing down to Allah was not a new thing. There are numerous example of the prayer style of the prophets and they all pray as they way the Muslims pray today. If you like to rock your body against a wall thats your freedom. Here are few video of the prayer of the Christian and the Jews same as the Muslims til to date!!! ,Please watch it and be surprised! Youtube link bellow.

      /watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg

      /watch?v=TRLFeldPG3Y
      /watch?v=mFJbDi31m0M
      /watch?v=h0sk9l6Q2lI (go directly at 1:08 Minuit to see Jew praying like a Muslim in video 4)

    2. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      Great is the LORD and greatly to be praised
      in the city of our God!
      His holy mountain, (Psalm 48:1)

      Whats wrong with ” Allah Hu Akhbar” ?

      1. master09 Avatar
        master09

        Nothing, but when used as you are about to chop a head of that’s called what.

        1. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          lol
          so bullseye…

    3. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      “Then Abraham fell on his face. And God said to him” (Genesis 17:3)

      ” Then Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the entrance of the tent of meeting and fell on their faces. And the glory of the LORD appeared to them “(Numbers 20:6)

      Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell to the earth on his face before the ark of the LORD (Joshua 7:6).

      “When all the people of Israel saw the fire come down and the glory of the LORD on the temple, they bowed down with their faces to the ground” (2 chronicles 7:3)

      “And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God, and all the people answered,(A) “Amen, Amen,”(B) lifting up their hands.(C)And they bowed their heads and worshiped the LORD with their faces to the ground.” (Nehemiah 8:6)

      NOW it is your turn to pray like your prophets. Dont worry about your nose.

  18. Igor Chingoski Avatar
    Igor Chingoski

    Muslims hate every single Christian because We don’t worship smelling TIZA in front of Our noses as they do in their mosques.

    1. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      No We do not hate Christians nor do we hate the Jews. Your religion is your right to practice. And bowing down to Allah was not a new thing. There are numerous example of the prayer style of the prophets and they all pray as they way the Muslims pray today. If you like to rock your body against a wall thats your freedom. Here are few video of the prayer of the Christian and the Jews same as the Muslims til to date!!! ,Please watch it and be surprised! Youtube link bellow

      /watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg

      /watch?v=TRLFeldPG3Y
      /watch?v=mFJbDi31m0M

    2. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      Great is the LORD and greatly to be praised
      in the city of our God!
      His holy mountain, (Psalm 48:1)

      Whats wrong with ” Allah Hu Akhbar” ?

      1. master09 Avatar
        master09

        Nothing, but when used as you are about to chop a head of that’s called what.

        1. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          lol
          so bullseye…

    3. wargame1 Avatar
      wargame1

      “Then Abraham fell on his face. And God said to him” (Genesis 17:3)

      ” Then Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the entrance of the tent of meeting and fell on their faces. And the glory of the LORD appeared to them “(Numbers 20:6)

      Then Joshua tore his clothes and fell to the earth on his face before the ark of the LORD (Joshua 7:6).

      “When all the people of Israel saw the fire come down and the glory of the LORD on the temple, they bowed down with their faces to the ground” (2 chronicles 7:3)

      “And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God, and all the people answered,(A) “Amen, Amen,”(B) lifting up their hands.(C)And they bowed their heads and worshiped the LORD with their faces to the ground.” (Nehemiah 8:6)

      NOW it is your turn to pray like your prophets. Dont worry about your nose.

  19. klarson451 Avatar
    klarson451

    No more aid to those animals! If we give them one more dollar, we should have our heads examined. Let them kill each other off. Why should we even care what happens there anyway. If they block the canal, bomb them, if they don’t like it, so what? I can’t understand why we care about them or get involved with them? They never live up to any agreements, lie and we know it. Let the whole damn lot go down!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Unfortunately, a lot of people are beginning to think more like that.

  20. klarson451 Avatar
    klarson451

    No more aid to those animals! If we give them one more dollar, we should have our heads examined. Let them kill each other off. Why should we even care what happens there anyway. If they block the canal, bomb them, if they don’t like it, so what? I can’t understand why we care about them or get involved with them? They never live up to any agreements, lie and we know it. Let the whole damn lot go down!

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Unfortunately, a lot of people are beginning to think more like that.

  21. nkky Avatar
    nkky

    i cant blame u guyz but the muslim religion is a rlly funny story

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Yallah .. We’re breaking up.

  22. nkky Avatar
    nkky

    i cant blame u guyz but the muslim religion is a rlly funny story

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Yallah .. We’re breaking up.

  23. musliman Avatar
    musliman

    muslimmm is not a human being………….

  24. musliman Avatar
    musliman

    muslimmm is not a human being………….

  25. Fauzia45 Avatar
    Fauzia45

    These religious fanatics are a real danger!They are angry desperate people who are uncompromising,intolerant,full of hate and are ready to kill and destroy the others !!!The others are enemies ,part of another world they have to destroy!!

  26. Fauzia45 Avatar
    Fauzia45

    These religious fanatics are a real danger!They are angry desperate people who are uncompromising,intolerant,full of hate and are ready to kill and destroy the others !!!The others are enemies ,part of another world they have to destroy!!

  27. The real lebanese Avatar
    The real lebanese

    12 more churches were burned yesterday. The christians in Egypt may have to start doing mass like they do in Saudi Arabia. In secret houses with secret priests.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      🙁

      1. The real lebanese Avatar
        The real lebanese

        The sad truth. Christians are becoming an endangered species in the middle east.

        1. Jewy McJew Avatar
          Jewy McJew

          There is only one country in the M.E. that has a growing Christian population. Based on my name, guess which one! 🙂

          1. Constantin7 Avatar
            Constantin7

            Israel ? Because many jews are becoming Jews for Jesus !?

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            LOL … 😉

          3. Jewy McJew Avatar
            Jewy McJew

            We actually just call them “Christian Light” 🙂

            But I am not lying. Israel is the only M.E. country where the Christian population is increasing on both a relative (percentage of total population) and absolute (population size) terms.

            Everywhere else Christians are making a silent exodus out of the Arab / Islamic world. If people think an Islamic middle-east with Christianity is not possible, keep in mind that once upon a time Jews were walking around in all sorts of places. 99% of them are gone.

            (there are about 200 Jews left in Yemen but we are pretty sure they are just lost)

          4. YeUx Avatar
            YeUx

            As they where lost for 40 years and never found the “Promise Land” until 1948
            As for what You say about Christians living in Israel that is a plain lie, Christians are Hated in Israhell : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbaX-TZmFgI

          5. Constantin7 Avatar
            Constantin7

            For your information, there are also jews in Lebanon they live their lives normally and freely like everyone else, but live discretly without too much noise (about their religion). They live mostly in the Christian areas of Lebanon. Most have property and businesses that they do not want to just abandon or leave, and most of them are in their sixties or more. Too bad the young left and most propably will not come back until there will be peace between Lebanon and Israel. Finally, the reconstruction of the Abraham Synagogue downtown Beirut is almost finished and hopefully there will be an official ceremony to inaugurate it.

          6. Jewy McJew Avatar
            Jewy McJew

            It’s true, 1% of the original Jewish population still exist in the Arab world. But that is not enough to form a community… specially when there is the option to move to Israel and live non-discretely 🙂

          7. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            Just wait and see how We are going to be stabbed in the back, Judaism and Islamism are two of a kind!

          8. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            Yeh yeh? walking in al sort of places? like Eastern Europe? and then? You say the story with such and enthusiasm!

          9. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Judea?

          10. nagy_michael2 Avatar
            nagy_michael2

            so why don’t let the Palestinians have their land back? why did you push them into Lebanon so you can have your own country and your peace. when my cousin who father is American and mother is Lebanese was dragged by the ears when one of his friend’s was joking and told the security.. here is a Lebanese for you. they asked him and he verified that his mother was Lebanese. so they grabbed him by the ears.. and he is a Christian and went there to worship in the land of Judea.. The extremists jews are no different from Muslim extremists. many Lebanese who ran away from Hezbollah were told they cannot live in certain areas in Israel even though they were big supporters of Israel. hypocrites are among you also and many of them I must say..

          11. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            X2, Christians in Israel are hated and harassed every Day. You can see in UTUBE if You google it.
            Hypocrites indeed!

          12. Jewy McJew Avatar
            Jewy McJew

            How many churches have been burned to the ground in Israel by Jews? Also, why is it the only part of the middle east where Christians are not leaving?

          13. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Extremists in every land are not the majority. But they act like it.
            The others keep too silent.

          14. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Wait until they start walking in like they are into Iraq. The beaches will be crowded for sure…. 😉
            In fact, it’s becoming a better ‘Exodus Picture Opportunity’ …. when have you last seen a crowd like that ??? (except maybe in Africa, of course.)

  28. The real lebanese Avatar
    The real lebanese

    12 more churches were burned yesterday. The christians in Egypt may have to start doing mass like they do in Saudi Arabia. In secret houses with secret priests.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      🙁

      1. The real lebanese Avatar
        The real lebanese

        The sad truth. Christians are becoming an endangered species in the middle east.

        1. Jewy McJew Avatar
          Jewy McJew

          There is only one country in the M.E. that has a growing Christian population. Based on my name, guess which one! 🙂

          1. Constantin7 Avatar
            Constantin7

            Israel ? Because many jews are becoming Jews for Jesus !?

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            LOL … 😉

          3. Jewy McJew Avatar
            Jewy McJew

            We actually just call them “Christian Light” 🙂

            But I am not lying. Israel is the only M.E. country where the Christian population is increasing on both a relative (percentage of total population) and absolute (population size) terms.

            Everywhere else Christians are making a silent exodus out of the Arab / Islamic world. If people think an Islamic middle-east with Christianity is not possible, keep in mind that once upon a time Jews were walking around in all sorts of places. 99% of them are gone.

            (there are about 200 Jews left in Yemen but we are pretty sure they are just lost)

          4. Constantin7 Avatar
            Constantin7

            For your information, there are also jews in Lebanon they live their lives normally and freely like everyone else, but live discretly without too much noise (about their religion). They live mostly in the Christian areas of Lebanon. Most have property and businesses that they do not want to just abandon or leave, and most of them are in their sixties or more. Too bad the young left and most propably will not come back until there will be peace between Lebanon and Israel. Finally, the reconstruction of the Abraham Synagogue downtown Beirut is almost finished and hopefully there will be an official ceremony to inaugurate it.

          5. Jewy McJew Avatar
            Jewy McJew

            It’s true, 1% of the original Jewish population still exist in the Arab world. But that is not enough to form a community… specially when there is the option to move to Israel and live non-discretely 🙂

          6. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            Just wait and see how We are going to be stabbed in the back, Judaism and Islamism are two of a kind!

          7. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            Yeh yeh? walking in al sort of places? like Eastern Europe? and then? You say the story with such and enthusiasm!

          8. Hannibal Avatar
            Hannibal

            Judea?

          9. nagy_michael2 Avatar
            nagy_michael2

            so why don’t let the Palestinians have their land back? why did you push them into Lebanon so you can have your own country and your peace. when my cousin who father is American and mother is Lebanese was dragged by the ears when one of his friend’s was joking and told the security.. here is a Lebanese for you. they asked him and he verified that his mother was Lebanese. so they grabbed him by the ears.. and he is a Christian and went there to worship in the land of Judea.. The extremists jews are no different from Muslim extremists. many Lebanese who ran away from Hezbollah were told they cannot live in certain areas in Israel even though they were big supporters of Israel. hypocrites are among you also and many of them I must say..

          10. Igor Chingoski Avatar
            Igor Chingoski

            X2, Christians in Israel are hated and harassed every Day. You can see in UTUBE if You google it.
            Hypocrites indeed!

          11. Jewy McJew Avatar
            Jewy McJew

            How many churches have been burned to the ground in Israel by Jews? Also, why is it the only part of the middle east where Christians are not leaving?

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Extremists in every land are not the majority. But they act like it.
            The others keep too silent.

          13. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Wait until they start walking in like they are into Iraq. The beaches will be crowded for sure…. 😉

  29. Btru2u Avatar
    Btru2u

    You have already admitted that the bible is an inception of the Jews, and there not the word of God. So you just make up what ever you want to believe . So to you your religion and to me , mine.

    1. geo metro Avatar
      geo metro

      Btru, please be true to your self for 5 minutes ,

      pretend that the jews and all the christians and western society was completely erased ..would your moslem world look any different? would it be less violent? the problem with all of us is that we justify all our disgusting wrongs by putting the spot light on other peoples faults ! basic lawyering to win arguments while we remain so far below a standard that would qualify us in any way to being close to godly and in harmony with godly principles or teaching !

      If what I am saying in inaccurate the results would be totally different that what you see across the board in the middle east or the rest of the world. no doubt that corruption and hipocricy has taken place in christian and moslem faiths but if you focus on the teachings and not the followers it would be difficult to argue a better example or way of life than what jesus has taught by teachings and example,

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        See on BBC … the results of the Islamic Adventure now flowing into Iraq-Kurdistan. In the search for life and some sustenance, they are not even bothering to try to drag the poor possessions with them … and the UN cannot possibly keep up. No-one can.
        Allo? Akbar? Any solutions?? ….. ‘click’

        There are now more refugees from Syria than Lebanon’s original population … spread around to all the other countries surrounding Assad’s Ego.

  30. Btru2u Avatar
    Btru2u

    You have already admitted that the bible is an inception of the Jews, and there not the word of God. So you just make up what ever you want to believe . So to you your religion and to me , mine.

    1. geo metro Avatar
      geo metro

      Btru, please be true to your self for 5 minutes ,

      pretend that the jews and all the christians and western society was completely erased ..would your moslem world look any different? would it be less violent? the problem with all of us is that we justify all our disgusting wrongs by putting the spot light on other peoples faults ! basic lawyering to win arguments while we remain so far below a standard that would qualify us in any way to being close to godly and in harmony with godly principles or teaching !

      If what I am saying in inaccurate the results would be totally different that what you see across the board in the middle east or the rest of the world. no doubt that corruption and hipocricy has taken place in christian and moslem faiths but if you focus on the teachings and not the followers it would be difficult to argue a better example or way of life than what jesus has taught by teachings and example,

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        See on BBC … the results of the Islamic adventure now flowing into Iraq-Kurdistan. In the search for life and some sustenance, they are not even bothering to try to drag the poor possessions with them … and the UN cannot possibly keep up. No-one can.
        Allo? Akbar? Any solutions?? ….. ‘click’

        There are now more refugees from Syria than Lebanon’s original population … spread around to all the other countries surrounding Assad’s Ego.

  31. Reasonableman Avatar
    Reasonableman

    PEACE

  32. Reasonableman Avatar
    Reasonableman

    PEACE

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