Israel hints that it has already decided to bomb Iran

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An extraordinary interview with an anonymous subject has appeared in Haaretz, the Israeli newspaper. In over 3,200 words of prose, the man answering the questions is referred to only as “the decision-maker”. But the piece is filled with hints about his identity, to the point where anyone with the slightest grasp of Israeli politics can work out that the anonymous interviewee must be Ehud Barak, the defence minister. (To take one example, the “decision-maker” is interviewed in a room that boasts a “black grand piano”. Barak is a concert pianist – there cannot be many others in the Israeli hierarchy).

The significance of the interview is that the “decision-maker” says quite plainly that Israel cannot rely on America to take whatever action is necessary to prevent Iran from achieving nuclear weapons capability. And Israel’s own window for launching a preventive strike is closing more rapidly than Washington’s.

“The gap between the two countries derives from the fact that the US and Israel have different abilities,” says the interviewee.

“As the Iranians continue to fortify their nuclear sites and disperse them and accumulate uranium, the moment is approaching when Israel will not be able to do anything. For the Americans, the Iranians are not yet approaching the immunity zone − because the Americans have much larger bombers and bombs, and the ability to repeat the operation a whole number of times. But for us, Iran could soon enter the immunity zone.”

Then the “decision-maker” (or Barak) reaches the crux of his argument: “And when that happens, it means putting a matter that is vital to our survival in the hands of the United States. Israel cannot allow this to happen. It cannot place the responsibility for its security and future in the hands of even its best and most loyal friend.”

Israel was founded to protect the Jewish people from existential threats. In the final analysis, the country’s leadership will trust no one else with this supreme responsibility. But Israel faces the danger of allowing the power to prevent Iran from crossing the nuclear threshold to slip from its hands, leaving the country with no option but to trust the US. And the interviewee is adamant that Israel would prefer to go to war rather than allow that moment to arrive.

In fact, he gives the impression that the crucial decision has already been taken: unless American goes to war within Israel’s own time-frame for taking action (he lets slip that another year cannot be allowed to go by), then Israel will do the job itself.

“If Israel forgoes the chance to act and it becomes clear that it no longer has the power to act, the likelihood of an American action will decrease. So we cannot wait a year to find out who was right: the one who said that the likelihood of an American action is high or the one who said the likelihood of an American action is low. We can’t wait to find out one morning that we relied on the Americans but were fooled because the Americans didn’t act in the end. We need to look at the reality right now with total clarity. Even a cruel reality must be looked at with total clarity. Israel is strong and Israel is responsible, and Israel will do what it has to do.”

The logic of these words is that Israel will act soon. Given the imminence of the US election, that probably means before November.

Let me emphasise a few notes of caution. First, I’ve written in the past about the possibility that Israel lacks the military capability to strike decisively against Iran’s nuclear plants. Israel may simply be unable to do the job, however much its decision-makers might be convinced of the need for action.

Second, whenever Israel talks up the possibility of war, America toughens its own rhetoric against Iran and more sanctions are imposed. This gives Israeli “decision-makers” a direct interest in upping the ante and making verbal threats.

Finally, if the Israelis really were about to go into action – assuming they have the capability – they would not tell us beforehand. No tub-thumping belligerence would precede a war; on the contrary, it would come as a bolt from the blue.

Nonetheless, this interview provides an extraordinary insight into Israeli thinking. Here’s what I find most striking: the whole tenor of the subject’s comments suggests that the key decision has already been taken: Israel will go to war if America does not take action itself. All that remains to be settled is the timing. If that’s a bluff, it is an extremely dangerous one.

Telegraph.UK

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94 responses to “Israel hints that it has already decided to bomb Iran”

  1. Moe2000 Avatar

    Make no mistake Israel is a barking Chihuahua and Iran is Bulldog I cant wait to see how this play’s out. First thing i will do is fill up both my Gas tanks and go food shopping. There will be no oil coming out of the Middle East for a while.

    1. rossoferrari Avatar
      rossoferrari

      Your statement is in reverse, you have transposed the bulldog and the chihuahua (By your own description). There will be lots of oil coming from the ME, since iran’s dependency is primarily on oil income, to afford the opium trade which is heavily consumed  by the iranians, the mullahs, ayatollahs and all sort of ollahs……

      1. Moe2000 Avatar

        Listen bud you if you love Israel so much why don’t you move there? I bet sc%$ like you would love that wouldn’t you?

        1. rossoferrari Avatar
          rossoferrari

          I hate israel, but wouldn’t you like to face reality and deal with it rather than being a hypocrite in denying what’s around you. Let’s face it who among the arab states is talking about the liberation of palestine!!! and you think iran is the answer? iran cannot afford feeding it own people, iranian regime has suppressed the voices of its nationals fearing another uprise that will dismantle the current regime. You and your alike live in lala land, always betting on the unrealistic outcome, using religion as a defense mechanism or a tool to rally the crowd. Try to add up the IQ of all arabs excluding few and normalize the total among those polled, you will be surprised of the results. Be realistic, stop calling names (You have experienced with)  and stop living in denial.

        2. rossoferrari Avatar
          rossoferrari

          I hate israel, but wouldn’t you like to face reality and deal with it rather than being a hypocrite in denying what’s around you. Let’s face it who among the arab states is talking about the liberation of palestine!!! and you think iran is the answer? iran cannot afford feeding it own people, iranian regime has suppressed the voices of its nationals fearing another uprise that will dismantle the current regime. You and your alike live in lala land, always betting on the unrealistic outcome, using religion as a defense mechanism or a tool to rally the crowd. Try to add up the IQ of all arabs excluding few and normalize the total among those polled, you will be surprised of the results. Be realistic, stop calling names (You have experienced with)  and stop living in denial.

      2. breakthemould Avatar
        breakthemould

         Eventually Israel has to live with the Middle Eastern people no matter how long it takes. To remain billegerant for so long is simply not possible. Not country on earth can be on alert all the time. It’s own people will not allow it as they need to enjoy the economic success it has achieved for it’s own people. Otherwise what is the point if you have to be a soldier all your life there is no point in having a country as normal life is not available. So, what I am saying is that Israel with all it’s winnings will have to give up some so that it can be accepted as a neighbour to co exist with and share the  potential trade, tourism, and all of what goes with neighbourly things. The USA is not going to be there for ever. Some president one day is not going to be able or allowed by his own people to dish out so much support for Israel. So as a result Israel has to give up some of it’s winnings by  military might in order to have friendship with countries on it’s door step. Nuculear and all the latest technical military will not be enough in the future. Better politics will be needed. 

        1. bs244846 Avatar

          i agree that everybody has the right to live whether we like them or not…the problem is wahabism and salafism…they dont want anybody else to live…now israelis are using the stupidity of wahhabis and salafis and sunna kharakirism (hariri) in order to achieve their goals….should we blame them???i dont know

      3. breakthemould Avatar
        breakthemould

         Eventually Israel has to live with the Middle Eastern people no matter how long it takes. To remain billegerant for so long is simply not possible. Not country on earth can be on alert all the time. It’s own people will not allow it as they need to enjoy the economic success it has achieved for it’s own people. Otherwise what is the point if you have to be a soldier all your life there is no point in having a country as normal life is not available. So, what I am saying is that Israel with all it’s winnings will have to give up some so that it can be accepted as a neighbour to co exist with and share the  potential trade, tourism, and all of what goes with neighbourly things. The USA is not going to be there for ever. Some president one day is not going to be able or allowed by his own people to dish out so much support for Israel. So as a result Israel has to give up some of it’s winnings by  military might in order to have friendship with countries on it’s door step. Nuculear and all the latest technical military will not be enough in the future. Better politics will be needed. 

    2. master09 Avatar

      Yes Iran is a bulldog with no teeth.. You think that there will be a war…. this all comes down to price of oil and the destruction of the freedom of PEOPLE…. Iran does not give a shit if Palestine Lebanon or Gaza is destroyed… Iran you think gives a shit about Palestine or the people.lol
      This is a game of chess nothing more nothing less…MONEY MONEY  while they laugh at the people… With all these sanctions put on Iran who do you think is the biggest winner, CHINA AND RUSSIA that is why they support Iran and want to keep sanctions going but will not say it in the open…Russia China also DO NOT give a shit about Iran but they do now because of the cheap oil they both get because they are the only ones who are doing big  business with Iran….For real do you think Iran can put up a big fight, for real not just because you like them we are talking FACTS, that you nor I know about.. So this is not about a support, can they realy for FACT do what they say or is it all talk like the rest of them…  

      1. Moe2000 Avatar

        Russia pumps 3 times more oil then Iran, China pumps 3 million barrels same as Iran. It’s about the USA controlling the world China and Russia will not allow the USA putting sanctions on whom the please and overthrowing governments that are non puppets.

        1. master09 Avatar

          It has nothing to do with who pumps more oil, it’s who controls the PRICE  of oil… Russia and China will be begging for more sanctions….Usa can pump more oil than the three of them put together..but thats not the way politics and control of world orders go… so this is deeper than the love of a country people have, it is about the control of PEOPLE….and all countries are happy as long as money is made by all governments, while people suffer…

          You said that Russia and China don’t want USA putting sanctions on who they want. A ?? if Russia and China where in the same position as USA as the most powerful country in History that they would not put sanctions on other countries. LOL DO YOU SEE THE SANCTIONS THEY PUT ON THIER OWN PEOPLE, what would they do to other countries. Come on Moe you would not be able to fill your tank for less than $5 a litre..they would be 10 times worse than the USA.. LOL

        2. TripleC1 Avatar

           It’s about the coming power struggle between the US and China, the only thing Russia is… a future battlefield only question which part of Russia gets destroyed and that is decided on which side Russia picks.

  2. Moe2000 Avatar

    Make no mistake Israel is a barking Chihuahua and Iran is Bulldog I cant wait to see how this play’s out. First thing i will do is fill up both my Gas tanks and go food shopping. There will be no oil coming out of the Middle East for a while.

    1. master09 Avatar

      Yes Iran is a bulldog with no teeth.. You think that there will be a war…. this all comes down to price of oil and the destruction of the freedom of PEOPLE…. Iran does not give a shit if Palestine Lebanon or Gaza is destroyed… Iran you think gives a shit about Palestine or the people.lol
      This is a game of chess nothing more nothing less…MONEY MONEY  while they laugh at the people… With all these sanctions put on Iran who do you think is the biggest winner, CHINA AND RUSSIA that is why they support Iran and want to keep sanctions going but will not say it in the open…Russia China also DO NOT give a shit about Iran but they do now because of the cheap oil they both get because they are the only ones who are doing big  business with Iran….For real do you think Iran can put up a big fight, for real not just because you like them we are talking FACTS, that you nor I know about.. So this is not about a support, can they realy for FACT do what they say or is it all talk like the rest of them…  

      1. Moe2000 Avatar

        Russia pumps 3 times more oil then Iran, China pumps 3 million barrels same as Iran. It’s about the USA controlling the world China and Russia will not allow the USA putting sanctions on whom the please and overthrowing governments that are non puppets.

  3. Moe2000 Avatar

    Make no mistake Israel is a barking Chihuahua and Iran is Bulldog I cant wait to see how this play’s out. First thing i will do is fill up both my Gas tanks and go food shopping. There will be no oil coming out of the Middle East for a while.

    1. rossoferrari Avatar
      rossoferrari

      Your statement is in reverse, you have transposed the bulldog and the chihuahua (By your own description). There will be lots of oil coming from the ME, since iran’s dependency is primarily on oil income, to afford the opium trade which is heavily consumed  by the iranians, the mullahs, ayatollahs and all sort of ollahs……

      1. Moe2000 Avatar

        Listen bud you if you love Israel so much why don’t you move there? I bet sc%$ like you would love that wouldn’t you?

        1. rossoferrari Avatar
          rossoferrari

          I hate israel, but wouldn’t you like to face reality and deal with it rather than being a hypocrite in denying what’s around you. Let’s face it who among the arab states is talking about the liberation of palestine!!! and you think iran is the answer? iran cannot afford feeding it own people, iranian regime has suppressed the voices of its nationals fearing another uprise that will dismantle the current regime. You and your alike live in lala land, always betting on the unrealistic outcome, using religion as a defense mechanism or a tool to rally the crowd. Try to add up the IQ of all arabs excluding few and normalize the total among those polled, you will be surprised of the results. Be realistic, stop calling names (You have experienced with)  and stop living in denial.

      2. breakthemould Avatar
        breakthemould

         Eventually Israel has to live with the Middle Eastern people no matter how long it takes. To remain billegerant for so long is simply not possible. Not country on earth can be on alert all the time. It’s own people will not allow it as they need to enjoy the economic success it has achieved for it’s own people. Otherwise what is the point if you have to be a soldier all your life there is no point in having a country as normal life is not available. So, what I am saying is that Israel with all it’s winnings will have to give up some so that it can be accepted as a neighbour to co exist with and share the  potential trade, tourism, and all of what goes with neighbourly things. The USA is not going to be there for ever. Some president one day is not going to be able or allowed by his own people to dish out so much support for Israel. So as a result Israel has to give up some of it’s winnings by  military might in order to have friendship with countries on it’s door step. Nuculear and all the latest technical military will not be enough in the future. Better politics will be needed. 

        1. bs244846 Avatar

          i agree that everybody has the right to live whether we like them or not…the problem is wahabism and salafism…they dont want anybody else to live…now israelis are using the stupidity of wahhabis and salafis and sunna kharakirism (hariri) in order to achieve their goals….should we blame them???i dont know

    2. master09 Avatar

      Yes Iran is a bulldog with no teeth.. You think that there will be a war…. this all comes down to price of oil and the destruction of the freedom of PEOPLE…. Iran does not give a shit if Palestine Lebanon or Gaza is destroyed… Iran you think gives a shit about Palestine or the people.lol
      This is a game of chess nothing more nothing less…MONEY MONEY  while they laugh at the people… With all these sanctions put on Iran who do you think is the biggest winner, CHINA AND RUSSIA that is why they support Iran and want to keep sanctions going but will not say it in the open…Russia China also DO NOT give a shit about Iran but they do now because of the cheap oil they both get because they are the only ones who are doing big  business with Iran….For real do you think Iran can put up a big fight, for real not just because you like them we are talking FACTS, that you nor I know about.. So this is not about a support, can they realy for FACT do what they say or is it all talk like the rest of them…  

      1. Moe2000 Avatar

         Russia pumps 4 times more oil then Iran.

        1. master09 Avatar

          It has nothing to do with who pumps more oil, it’s who controls the PRICE  of oil… Russia and China will be begging for more sanctions….Usa can pump more oil than the three of them put together..but thats not the way politics and control of world orders go… so this is deeper than the love of a country people have, it is about the control of PEOPLE….and all countries are happy as long as money is made by all governments, while people suffer…

        2. TripleC1 Avatar

           It’s about the coming power struggle between the US and China, the only thing Russia is… a future battlefield only question which part of Russia gets destroyed and that is decided on which side Russia picks.

  4. Constantin7 Avatar
    Constantin7

    If Israel bombs Iran, it would be the biggest strategic mistake that Israel would have done since its creation. Why Israel is so afraid from the Iranian nuclear capabilities ? Even if Iran develops a nuclear weapon or missile, it will never ever use it on Israel for the simple reason that Israel, Palestine and South Lebanon are so close that a missile that hits Tel Aviv will have effects on the whole area including Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gazza and Lebanon, so one missile would hurt many people and nations, and this without saying that it would ignite the 3rd world war in the Middle East. So, I do not want to defend the Iranians, but they are not that stupid. However, if Israel attacks Iran, I am not sure of the consequences that will follow, but I am sure the Iranians will not sit with their arms crossed.

    It is just amazing how much agressive Israel is and wants always to attack first. You Israelis are always living in a war attitude, mentality, and state of mind, even if there is no real danger on Israel, you still look for an alleged danger and want to cause some kind of war. As Jesus Christ said “who lives by the sword will die by the sword”.

    1. bs244846 Avatar

      i dont think isreal will bomb iran for real…it will be some theatre…iran is an important factor against sunna wahhabism and salafism…even though saoudi arabia is allying itself with israel yet israel is not idiot….if iran is destroyed salafism will reorient itself to try to eradicate israel 

    2. eblashko Avatar

      That kind of mentality arises when all your neighbors are constantly trying to kill you and when the world sat quietly last time someone tried to exterminate you. As far as the Iranian logic you talk about, any extrmist, from any religion, should not be counted on to act rationally. If they were rational, don’t you think they’d stop enrichment, save their economy, support the people in Syria rather than the butcher Assad – not to mention when they massacred their own people following the election fraud of 2009. All of these facts make me scared, and if you were in my position, you would be too.

      1. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        I certainly would not want this kind of life of living always in terror and fear. This same collective consciouness of fear and terror will only attract more fear and terror and cause from time to time collective massacres as the holocaust. Your constant belief that you are in danger puts you in real danger all the time. Whatever you believe you experience, whatever you think of most you attract it. Just ask yourself: Why all your neighbors want to kill you (as you say) ? Why most of the world does not like the jews ? so many questions…. It cannot be that everyone is wrong and you are the only ones right ! We believe all in only one God who is the ultimate peace, love, justice and grace. How could such a God allow you to make others suffer in killing them and deporting them (the Palestinians) from their land in HIS name. Jews like Muslims, their actions are always related to God and defend their ugly unjust behavior by pretending that God wants this and God wants that. Let me tell you what I believe GOD wants : he wants all his children to live peacefully and to love and respect each other. I said ALL his children whether jews, muslims, chrisitians. However you believe you are the chosen people of GOD, thus putting yourself at a higher level than others and muslims think that they are the best people on earth, both beliefs are racist believes and do not create but rift and division between nations. Your belief allows you to steal land of others and feel superior to others and want to control others, and muslims belief leads them to kill others believing they are pleasing god but killing others…… This is too long of a subject to discuss….

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Yes Constantin … too long a subject. Belief in ‘gods’ for the things humans could not explain – especially the big question of ‘why’ life and death – two words also invented by humans.
          The fact that much of that which early humans could not explain has, in fact, been explained by now, makes the whole ‘belief’ thing so much more compact doesn’t it? I mean, you really need to be totally uneducated to believe some of the crap from the ‘high and mighty’ religious figureheads these days. If people were educated, in fact, there wouldn’t be such ‘racism’ or more accurately ‘culturalism’ – but ‘religions’ want to hold on to the ‘power’ they have held over mankind for so long.
          And for the average human, denying any god might be dangerous to one’s health, eh? 😉
          Don’t we all want to live forever after all? 🙂

      2. master09 Avatar

        But Eblashko your people have no rite to protect themselves from every corner wanting to kill them, they should just put the weapons down, head hung and pushed into the sea… you guys have no rite to protect the country people when someone like Iran say every day that they want to destroy the State of Isreal…and ever Jew in it.. This is the Arab Mentality of wanting to destroy Isreal, is why PEACE will never be and Isreal will be on watch 24/7 360deg. I would protect my family if I was in that situation at any cost….I am no supporter of any country but for peace to happen threats is not the answer, but a ROUND table might be..
        Bless all humanity and may peace come to ALL of humanity… 

        1. bs244846 Avatar

          master may i suggest you change your nick to slave….arab mentality i agree but do you think israel is innocent in all of this?  if you answer yes then sorry you are naive…israel is playing the lamb thats it but israel is more radical than the arabs…i used to believe that israel just wanted to live and i said of course thats their right however the more you know the jews the more similarity you find with the sunnas…expansion….fortunately or unfortunately the jews dont have the people to invade but they try to invade differently by dominatiing…hence the neo alliance between sunnahs and jews…however this time israel went too far…they do not realise that their natural ally was and should be the alawis and their alliance with the sunnahs will bring their end….i think master you are just echoeing the voice of your master

        2. bs244846 Avatar

          ah my…you seem paranoid, schizophrenic…you smell faeces (shit using your own terminology) all the time…when was the last time you took a bath? do you clean your behind with a stone? does faecal matter drool out of your skull nasally? oh please dont take it personnal sir, i am just trying to undertand why you smell fecaloid scent all the time and everywhere in order to help you…one last question are you on antipsychotic drugs? any phenothiazines? are you compliant with your medications? or is it just your arabic mentality of starting to use big words, words bigger than your head when you are cornered in an argument?i wonder if it is worth to answer you but for the sake of completion i will do. you were asking yourself where did you say israel is a lamb? well the text i am replying to contains very virulent sarcastic ironic stupid words of yours, please dont be hurt by stupid since i was very polite and i underqualified your words, in this sarcasm you were moaning irrational issues like israel has no right to protect itself that it should allow people to put down weapons and allow themselves to be hung, slaughtered and pushed into the sea….you were describing israel as the most peaceful lamb ever existed being threatened by the most feroceous of the wolves….oh maybe i misunderstood your sarcasm!!! were you licking the ass of the israeli eblashko?
          PS:try to get a three times daily wash with ghar and soap…use perfumes…your fowl smell will dissipate i am sure..that was a free advice and i will not charge you for it…i bet in your next reply to me you will be very thankful….oops i am not sure you will be grateful though

        3. bs244846 Avatar

          ah my…you seem paranoid, schizophrenic…you smell faeces (shit using your own terminology) all the time…when was the last time you took a bath? do you clean your behind with a stone? does faecal matter drool out of your skull nasally? oh please dont take it personnal sir, i am just trying to undertand why you smell fecaloid scent all the time and everywhere in order to help you…one last question are you on antipsychotic drugs? any phenothiazines? are you compliant with your medications? or is it just your arabic mentality of starting to use big words, words bigger than your head when you are cornered in an argument?i wonder if it is worth to answer you but for the sake of completion i will do. you were asking yourself where did you say israel is a lamb? well the text i am replying to contains very virulent sarcastic ironic stupid words of yours, please dont be hurt by stupid since i was very polite and i underqualified your words, in this sarcasm you were moaning irrational issues like israel has no right to protect itself that it should allow people to put down weapons and allow themselves to be hung, slaughtered and pushed into the sea….you were describing israel as the most peaceful lamb ever existed being threatened by the most feroceous of the wolves….oh maybe i misunderstood your sarcasm!!! were you licking the ass of the israeli eblashko?
          PS:try to get a three times daily wash with ghar and soap…use perfumes…your fowl smell will dissipate i am sure..that was a free advice and i will not charge you for it…i bet in your next reply to me you will be very thankful….oops i am not sure you will be grateful though

        4. bs244846 Avatar

          let me tackle,again for the sake of completion, another point you raised in your comments about israel being or not being a saint….you said i am supporting this criminal war…..strange of you…either two weights two measures or contradicting yourself…on one hand you said you believe israel should not stay passive against the feroceous arabic attacks she is subdued to but, on the other side, you want us to be inert and passive towards the same or similar barbaric attacks, again coming from irrational religious fanatics, wahhabi saoudi falafils…so please justify your stance…are you biased towards israel? are you another israeli wolf behind a lamb mask playing the innocent and slipping subliminal information in this blog?

        5. bs244846 Avatar

          let me tackle,again for the sake of completion, another point you raised in your comments about israel being or not being a saint….you said i am supporting this criminal war…..strange of you…either two weights two measures or contradicting yourself…on one hand you said you believe israel should not stay passive against the feroceous arabic attacks she is subdued to but, on the other side, you want us to be inert and passive towards the same or similar barbaric attacks, again coming from irrational religious fanatics, wahhabi saoudi falafils…so please justify your stance…are you biased towards israel? are you another israeli wolf behind a lamb mask playing the innocent and slipping subliminal information in this blog?

        6. bs244846 Avatar

          slave09 i never said you were an arab or a jew…all i said is that your a a slave, a sicko…maybe you took too much on drugs buddy you are not understanding other peoples writings hence your political confusion too

      3. but israel has nuclear weapons…..arabs had nnothing to do with the holocaust…we were probably next.;..”.any extrmist, from any religion, should not be counted on to act rationally” RABBI OVADIA YOSSEF ” GOYIM WERE BORN ONLY TO SERVE US.WITHOUT THAT THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN THE WORLD-ONLY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL”…

        1. eblashko Avatar

          Rabbi Yosef and Ayatollah Khamenei both belong in the same insane asylum. 

          Israel also has nothing to do with the Holocaust. Jews have wanted to return to Israel since they left. Holocaust happened in the 1940’s. Modern Zionism started in the 1882. Tel Aviv was founded in 1909. Hebrew became an official language in British Palestine in 1921. First partition plan, the Peel proposal, which of course the Jews accepted and the Arabs rejected, was offered in 1936. All of this was before the Holocaust. Israel doesn’t exist because of the Holocaust. It exists inspite of the Holocaust. 

          Israel “may” have nuclear weapons, and if they do, it’s to protect themselves from the annihilation that “people” like Ahmedinijad, Nasrallah, Haniyeh, Mashaal, Assad, etc. If we do have nukes, we have had them since the 60’s, and we don’t even admit we have them, let alone threaten anyone with them. 

        2. eblashko Avatar

          Rabbi Yosef and Ayatollah Khamenei both belong in the same insane asylum. 

          Israel also has nothing to do with the Holocaust. Jews have wanted to return to Israel since they left. Holocaust happened in the 1940’s. Modern Zionism started in the 1882. Tel Aviv was founded in 1909. Hebrew became an official language in British Palestine in 1921. First partition plan, the Peel proposal, which of course the Jews accepted and the Arabs rejected, was offered in 1936. All of this was before the Holocaust. Israel doesn’t exist because of the Holocaust. It exists inspite of the Holocaust. 

          Israel “may” have nuclear weapons, and if they do, it’s to protect themselves from the annihilation that “people” like Ahmedinijad, Nasrallah, Haniyeh, Mashaal, Assad, etc. If we do have nukes, we have had them since the 60’s, and we don’t even admit we have them, let alone threaten anyone with them. 

        3. You are wrong twice.

          First- Arabs did have connection to the holocaust on both sides. Palestinian leader Haj Amin al Husseiny was an ally of Hitler, incited the Bosnians to murder the old Jewish communities in Yugoslavia, and many Syrians, Egyptians and Iraqis followed Nazi propaganda and started to persecute Jews- as a result most Jews fled to Israel. 
          However some Arabs (Alegerians, Morrocans) fought against the Nazis under the French flag of De Gaul.

          Second – Ovadia Yossef is usually moderate. He prevented a counter attack on Iraq in 1991 when Sadam rained Israel with about 40 missiles. 

        4. You are wrong twice.

          First- Arabs did have connection to the holocaust on both sides. Palestinian leader Haj Amin al Husseiny was an ally of Hitler, incited the Bosnians to murder the old Jewish communities in Yugoslavia, and many Syrians, Egyptians and Iraqis followed Nazi propaganda and started to persecute Jews- as a result most Jews fled to Israel. 
          However some Arabs (Alegerians, Morrocans) fought against the Nazis under the French flag of De Gaul.

          Second – Ovadia Yossef is usually moderate. He prevented a counter attack on Iraq in 1991 when Sadam rained Israel with about 40 missiles. 

        5. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Once in a lifetime, most of us spout some totally irrational thing, and then some other dolt records it for posterity.

        6. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Once in a lifetime, most of us spout some totally irrational thing, and then some other dolt records it for posterity.

      4. bs244846 Avatar

        i dont know you but i smell a jew….never mind i do not hate you because you are a jew the opposite is true though but using your own words, jews are all extremist, thus can we apply your own logic to conclude that israel, a jewish country, is not acting rationally?

        1. master09 Avatar

          May I suggest BULL SHIT. Where in any of my comments did I say Isreal is a saint or have not done a thing wrong… So in short for people who can NOT read between the LINES. IF YOU HAVE EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE ME WANTING TO SEND YOU TO THE STONE AGE, GOOD OR BAD WHAT THE F….K ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT……?????? I bet you would sit and watch YES….. LOL … MY POINT TO A SLAVE LIKE YOU TO THE CLOWNS THAT RUN THE ME AND THE WORLD, IS THAT PEACE WILL NEVER BE AS LONG AS THREATS ARE MADE AND YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LAST TWO WEEKS TO SEE WHAT YOUR MASTERS AND ISREAL WANT TO DO to THE ME AS A WHOLE…
           
          SO WAKE UP I AM ON NO ONE SIDE AND I DO NOT  GIVE A SHIT WAHT THE LEADERS DO TO EACH OTHER.. IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT WILL SUFFER WHILE YOU SUPPORT THIS WAR THEORY SHIT…
           
          POOR SOUL LIKE YOURS THINK THAT THE DESTRUCTION OF ISREAL WILL SOLVE ALL OR IRAN BEEN HIT WILL SOLVE ALL. THIS IS HOW POOR YOUR MINDS ARE….
          PEACE WILL NEVER BE IN THE ME UNTILL WELL WHO KNOW BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER LIKE YOUR SMART BRAIN….
           
          But what I do know is JESUS is the WAY TO LOVE AND PEACE AND FORGIVNESS…
          EVEN THE SLAVES, LOL

        2. master09 Avatar

          BS I want to thank you for your advice. ah my…you seem paranoid, schizophrenic… No really I have just called  for better medication.
          How did you know I was hiding behind a mask and am a supporter of Isreal.. Wow you are good, lol..BUT really again thank you for your kind advice… AND keep up the good work, because we do not have many like you…..
          But just for the record I am not an Arab not a Jew, so for someone who can say about a person who you have never met makes you,well what ever that is your problem.

    3. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
      Mahdi Kenaani

      i cannot believe that i actually agree with you. thumbs up dude!

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Then, Mahdi, you should agree with Eblashko below as well.

  5. Constantin7 Avatar
    Constantin7

    If Israel bombs Iran, it would be the biggest strategic mistake that Israel would have done since its creation. Why Israel is so afraid from the Iranian nuclear capabilities ? Even if Iran develops a nuclear weapon or missile, it will never ever use it on Israel for the simple reason that Israel, Palestine and South Lebanon are so close that a missile that hits Tel Aviv will have effects on the whole area including Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gazza and Lebanon, so one missile would hurt many people and nations, and this without saying that it would ignite the 3rd world war in the Middle East. So, I do not want to defend the Iranians, but they are not that stupid. However, if Israel attacks Iran, I am not sure of the consequences that will follow, but I am sure the Iranians will not sit with their arms crossed.

    It is just amazing how much agressive Israel is and wants always to attack first. You Israelis are always living in a war attitude, mentality, and state of mind, even if there is no real danger on Israel, you still look for an alleged danger and want to cause some kind of war. As Jesus Christ said “who lives by the sword will die by the sword”.

    1. bs244846 Avatar

      i dont think isreal will bomb iran for real…it will be some theatre…iran is an important factor against sunna wahhabism and salafism…even though saoudi arabia is allying itself with israel yet israel is not idiot….if iran is destroyed salafism will reorient itself to try to eradicate israel 

    2. eblashko Avatar

      That kind of mentality arises when all your neighbors are constantly trying to kill you and when the world sat quietly last time someone tried to exterminate you. As far as the Iranian logic you talk about, any extrmist, from any religion, should not be counted on to act rationally. If they were rational, don’t you think they’d stop enrichment, save their economy, support the people in Syria rather than the butcher Assad – not to mention when they massacred their own people following the election fraud of 2009. All of these facts make me scared, and if you were in my position, you would be too.

      1. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        I certainly would not want this kind of life of living always in terror and fear. This same collective consciouness of fear and terror will only attract more fear and terror and cause from time to time collective massacres as the holocaust. Your constant belief that you are in danger puts you in real danger all the time. Whatever you believe you experience, whatever you think of most you attract it. Just ask yourself: Why all your neighbors want to kill you (as you say) ? Why most of the world does not like the jews ? so many questions…. It cannot be that everyone is wrong and you are the only ones right ! We believe all in only one God who is the ultimate peace, love, justice and grace. How could such a God allow you to make others suffer in killing them and deporting them (the Palestinians) from their land in HIS name. Jews like Muslims, their actions are always related to God and defend their ugly unjust behavior by pretending that God wants this and God wants that. Let me tell you what I believe GOD wants : he wants all his children to live peacefully and to love and respect each other. I said ALL his children whether jews, muslims, chrisitians. However you believe you are the chosen people of GOD, thus putting yourself at a higher level than others and muslims think that they are the best people on earth, both beliefs are racist believes and do not create but rift and division between nations. Your belief allows you to steal land of others and feel superior to others and want to control others, and muslims belief leads them to kill others believing they are pleasing god but killing others…… This is too long of a subject to discuss….

      2. bs244846 Avatar

        i dont know you but i smell a jew….never mind i do not hate you because you are a jew the opposite is true though but using your own words, jews are all extremist, thus can we apply your own logic to conclude that israel, a jewish country, is not acting rationally?

  6. Constantin7 Avatar
    Constantin7

    If Israel bombs Iran, it would be the biggest strategic mistake that Israel would have done since its creation. Why Israel is so afraid from the Iranian nuclear capabilities ? Even if Iran develops a nuclear weapon or missile, it will never ever use it on Israel for the simple reason that Israel, Palestine and South Lebanon are so close that a missile that hits Tel Aviv will have effects on the whole area including Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gazza and Lebanon, so one missile would hurt many people and nations, and this without saying that it would ignite the 3rd world war in the Middle East. So, I do not want to defend the Iranians, but they are not that stupid. However, if Israel attacks Iran, I am not sure of the consequences that will follow, but I am sure the Iranians will not sit with their arms crossed.

    It is just amazing how much agressive Israel is and wants always to attack first. You Israelis are always living in a war attitude, mentality, and state of mind, even if there is no real danger on Israel, you still look for an alleged danger and want to cause some kind of war. As Jesus Christ said “who lives by the sword will die by the sword”.

    1. bs244846 Avatar

      i dont think isreal will bomb iran for real…it will be some theatre…iran is an important factor against sunna wahhabism and salafism…even though saoudi arabia is allying itself with israel yet israel is not idiot….if iran is destroyed salafism will reorient itself to try to eradicate israel 

    2. eblashko Avatar

      That kind of mentality arises when all your neighbors are constantly trying to kill you and when the world sat quietly last time someone tried to exterminate you. As far as the Iranian logic you talk about, any extrmist, from any religion, should not be counted on to act rationally. If they were rational, don’t you think they’d stop enrichment, save their economy, support the people in Syria rather than the butcher Assad – not to mention when they massacred their own people following the election fraud of 2009. All of these facts make me scared, and if you were in my position, you would be too.

      1. Constantin7 Avatar
        Constantin7

        I certainly would not want this kind of life of living always in terror and fear. This same collective consciouness of fear and terror will only attract more fear and terror and cause from time to time collective massacres as the holocaust. Your constant belief that you are in danger puts you in real danger all the time. Whatever you believe you experience, whatever you think of most you attract it. Just ask yourself: Why all your neighbors want to kill you (as you say) ? Why most of the world does not like the jews ? so many questions…. It cannot be that everyone is wrong and you are the only ones right ! We believe all in only one God who is the ultimate peace, love, justice and grace. How could such a God allow you to make others suffer in killing them and deporting them (the Palestinians) from their land in HIS name. Jews like Muslims, their actions are always related to God and defend their ugly unjust behavior by pretending that God wants this and God wants that. Let me tell you what I believe GOD wants : he wants all his children to live peacefully and to love and respect each other. I said ALL his children whether jews, muslims, chrisitians. However you believe you are the chosen people of GOD, thus putting yourself at a higher level than others and muslims think that they are the best people on earth, both beliefs are racist believes and do not create but rift and division between nations. Your belief allows you to steal land of others and feel superior to others and want to control others, and muslims belief leads them to kill others believing they are pleasing god but killing others…… This is too long of a subject to discuss….

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Yes Constantin … too long a subject. Belief in ‘gods’ for the things humans could not explain – especially the big question of ‘why’ life and death – two words also invented by humans.
          The fact that much of that which early humans could not explain has, in fact, been explained by now, makes the whole ‘belief’ thing so much more compact doesn’t it? I mean, you really need to be totally uneducated to believe some of the crap from the ‘high and mighty’ religious figureheads these days. If people were educated, in fact, there wouldn’t be such ‘racism’ or more accurately ‘culturalism’ – but ‘religions’ want to hold on to the ‘power’ they have held over mankind for so long.
          And for the average human, denying any god might be dangerous to one’s health, eh? 😉
          Don’t we all want to live forever after all? 🙂

      2. master09 Avatar

        But Eblashko your people have no rite to protect themselves from every corner wanting to kill them, they should just put the weapons down, head hung and pushed into the sea… you guys have no rite to protect the country people when someone like Iran say every day that they want to destroy the State of Isreal…and ever Jew in it.. This is the Arab Mentality of wanting to destroy Isreal, is why PEACE will never be and Isreal will be on watch 24/7 360deg. I would protect my family if I was in that situation at any cost….I am no supporter of any country but for peace to happen threats is not the answer, but a ROUND table might be..
        Bless all humanity and may peace come to ALL of humanity… 

        1. bs244846 Avatar

          master may i suggest you change your nick to slave….arab mentality i agree but do you think israel is innocent in all of this?  if you answer yes then sorry you are naive…israel is playing the lamb thats it but israel is more radical than the arabs…i used to believe that israel just wanted to live and i said of course thats their right however the more you know the jews the more similarity you find with the sunnas…expansion….fortunately or unfortunately the jews dont have the people to invade but they try to invade differently by dominatiing…hence the neo alliance between sunnahs and jews…however this time israel went too far…they do not realise that their natural ally was and should be the alawis and their alliance with the sunnahs will bring their end….i think master you are just echoeing the voice of your master

        2. bs244846 Avatar

          ah my…you seem paranoid, schizophrenic…you smell shit all the time…when was the last time you took a bath? do you clean your behind with a stone? does shit drool out of your skull nasally? oh please dont take it personnal sir, i am just trying to undertand why you smell shit all the time and everywhere in order to help you…one last question are you on antipsychotic drugs? any phenothiazines? are you compliant with your medications? or is it just your arabic mentality of starting to use big words, words bigger than your head when you are cornered in an argument?i wonder if it is worth to answer you but for the sake of completion i will do. you were asking yourself where did you say israel is a lamb? well the text i am replying to contains very virulent sarcastic ironic stupid words of you, please dont be hurt by stupid since i was very polite and i underqualified your words, in this sarcasm you were moaning irrational issues like israel has no right to protect itself that it should allow people to put down weapons and allow themselves to be hung and pushed into the sea….you were describing israel as the most peaceful lamb ever existed….oh maybe i misunderstood your sarcasm!!! were you licking the ass of the israeli eblashko?
          PS:try to get a three times daily wash with ghar and soap…use perfumes…your shit smell will dissipate i am sure..that was a free advice and i will not charge you for it…i bet in your next reply to me you will be very thankful….oops i am not sure you will be grateful though

        3. bs244846 Avatar

          let me tackle,again for the sake of completion, another point you raised in your comments about israel being or not being a saint….you said i am supporting this criminal war…..strange of you…either two weights two measures or contradicting yourself…on one hand you said you believe israel should not stay passive against the feroceous arabic attacks she is subdued to but, on the other side, you want us to be inert and passive towards the same or similar barbaric attacks, again coming from irrational religious fanatics, wahhabi saoudi falafils…so please justify your stance…are you biased towards israel? are you another israeli wolf behind a lamb mask playing the innocent and slipping subliminal information in this blog?

        4. bs244846 Avatar

          slave09 i never said you were an arab or a jew…all i said is that your a a slave, a sicko…maybe you took too much on drugs buddy you are not understanding other peoples writings hence your political confusion too

      3. but israel has nuclear weapons…..arabs had nnothing to do with the holocaust…we were probably next.;..”.any extrmist, from any religion, should not be counted on to act rationally” RABBI OVADIA YOSSEF ” GOYIM WERE BORN ONLY TO SERVE US.WITHOUT THAT THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN THE WORLD-ONLY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL”…

        1. eblashko Avatar

          Rabbi Yosef and Ayatollah Khamenei both belong in the same insane asylum. 

          Israel also has nothing to do with the Holocaust. Jews have wanted to return to Israel since they left. Holocaust happened in the 1940’s. Modern Zionism started in the 1882. Tel Aviv was founded in 1909. Hebrew became an official language in British Palestine in 1921. First partition plan, the Peel proposal, which of course the Jews accepted and the Arabs rejected, was offered in 1936. All of this was before the Holocaust. Israel doesn’t exist because of the Holocaust. It exists inspite of the Holocaust. 

          Israel “may” have nuclear weapons, and if they do, it’s to protect themselves from the annihilation that “people” like Ahmedinijad, Nasrallah, Haniyeh, Mashaal, Assad, etc. If we do have nukes, we have had them since the 60’s, and we don’t even admit we have them, let alone threaten anyone with them. 

        2. You are wrong twice.

          First- Arabs did have connection to the holocaust on both sides. Palestinian leader Haj Amin al Husseiny was an ally of Hitler, incited the Bosnians to murder the old Jewish communities in Yugoslavia, and many Syrians, Egyptians and Iraqis followed Nazi propaganda and started to persecute Jews- as a result most Jews fled to Israel. 
          However some Arabs (Alegerians, Morrocans) fought against the Nazis under the French flag of De Gaul.

          Second – Ovadia Yossef is usually moderate. He prevented a counter attack on Iraq in 1991 when Sadam rained Israel with about 40 missiles. 

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Once in a lifetime, most of us spout some totally irrational thing, and then some other dolt records it for posterity.

      4. bs244846 Avatar

        i dont know you but i smell a jew….never mind i do not hate you because you are a jew the opposite is true though but using your own words, jews are all extremist, thus can we apply your own logic to conclude that israel, a jewish country, is not acting rationally?

        1. master09 Avatar

          May I suggest BULL SHIT. Where in any of my comments did I say Isreal is a saint or have not done a thing wrong… So in short for people who can NOT read between the LINES. IF YOU HAVE EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE ME WANTING TO SEND YOU TO THE STONE AGE, GOOD OR BAD WHAT THE F….K ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT……?????? I bet you would sit and watch YES….. LOL … MY POINT TO A SLAVE LIKE YOU TO THE CLOWNS THAT RUN THE ME AND THE WORLD, IS THAT PEACE WILL NEVER BE AS LONG AS THREATS ARE MADE AND YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LAST TWO WEEKS TO SEE WHAT YOUR MASTERS AND ISREAL WANT TO DO to THE ME AS A WHOLE…
           
          SO WAKE UP I AM ON NO ONE SIDE AND I DO NOT  GIVE A SHIT WAHT THE LEADERS DO TO EACH OTHER.. IT IS THE PEOPLE THAT WILL SUFFER WHILE YOU SUPPORT THIS WAR THEORY SHIT…
           
          POOR SOUL LIKE YOURS THINK THAT THE DESTRUCTION OF ISREAL WILL SOLVE ALL OR IRAN BEEN HIT WILL SOLVE ALL. THIS IS HOW POOR YOUR MINDS ARE….
          PEACE WILL NEVER BE IN THE ME UNTILL WELL WHO KNOW BECAUSE I DO NOT HAVE AN ANSWER LIKE YOUR SMART BRAIN….
           
          But what I do know is JESUS is the WAY TO LOVE AND PEACE AND FORGIVNESS…
          EVEN THE SLAVES, LOL

        2. master09 Avatar

          BS I want to thank you for your advice. ah my…you seem paranoid, schizophrenic… No really I have just called  for better medication.
          How did you know I was hiding behind a mask and am a supporter of Isreal.. Wow you are good, lol..BUT really again thank you for your kind advice… AND keep up the good work, because we do not have many like you…..

    3. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
      Mahdi Kenaani

      i cannot believe that i actually agree with you. thumbs up dude!

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Then, Mahdi, you should agree with Eblashko below as well.

  7. Actually most Israelis oppose a war with Iran or direct attack on it. Most of the security officials, retired or serving, oppose war and even significant members of the Likud coalition party oppose such an action.

    1. Constantin7 Avatar
      Constantin7

      I am sure 99% of the people do not want war, but this Natanyahu is not a very peaceful person, not in my dictionary. Although, in my mind Israel right now should play low key and let the rest of the region evolve from this alleged Arab spring which is turning to Arab hell. Any move from Israel against any Islamic country would reshuffle the cards in the region against Israel. So my advise just sit and watch everyone else….

      1. You are right Constantin.

    2. just in response to your above comment….if the jews were persecuted by the arabs then why did they come to palestine? ( israel didnt exist at the time)…re ovadia ive seen him kissing and hugging bibi and barak a plenty…theres no such thing as moderates anymore on both sides…

      1. TripleC1 Avatar

         Probably because JEWS have been in Palestine for over 2,000 years. LOL

        Also a mass migration of Jews was occurring in Russia during the last great pogrom at about the same time some Jew came up with Zionism or in layman’s terms Jewish nationalism a completely new idea at the time, and the rest is history…

  8. Actually most Israelis oppose a war with Iran or direct attack on it. Most of the security officials, retired or serving, oppose war and even significant members of the Likud coalition party oppose such an action.

    1. Constantin7 Avatar
      Constantin7

      I am sure 99% of the people do not want war, but this Natanyahu is not a very peaceful person, not in my dictionary. Although, in my mind Israel right now should play low key and let the rest of the region evolve from this alleged Arab spring which is turning to Arab hell. Any move from Israel against any Islamic country would reshuffle the cards in the region against Israel. So my advise just sit and watch everyone else….

      1. You are right Constantin.

    2. just in response to your above comment….if the jews were persecuted by the arabs then why did they come to palestine? ( israel didnt exist at the time)…re ovadia ive seen him kissing and hugging bibi and barak a plenty…theres no such thing as moderates anymore on both sides…

      1. TripleC1 Avatar

         Probably because JEWS have been in Palestine for over 2,000 years. LOL

        Also a mass migration of Jews was occurring in Russia during the last great pogrom at about the same time some Jew came up with Zionism or in layman’s terms Jewish nationalism a completely new idea at the time, and the rest is history…

  9. ther will be no war…the economic climate is not set fot it…the usa , europeans ..cant afford it….recently bibi and barak were looking at introducing austerity measures because they are trying to find 20-30 billion dollars for a future war….the israelis hit the streets the other day protesting against a possible war…recently 3 people have burnt themselves in protest against the economic situation…kadima and lukid are splitting over issues such as conscription…its all politics….but i just have one questions…..all this because of accusations against an aligned npt signatory country…?? yet DOSEN’T ISRAEL ALREADY HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS? REFUSES TO DISCLOSE? REFUSES INSPECTIONS? REFUSES TO SIGN NPT? am i allowed to say that or am i going to be accussed of being anti semetic?

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Oh dateam … you can ask the question. Many do. And no-one knows for sure. So you either need to suspect they do, or believe the USA didn’t give them that bit of tech … although thinking it is true is perhaps as effective as it being true, so no-one verifies whether they would join in the self-immolation of humanity or not.
      That Israel and Iran play the same game in this respect is the politics.
      The question the rest of us ask is ‘which one is more likely to begin a real holocaust?’ – and for sure, after the experience of two ‘world wars’ the western minds in general (after some education and a short history of  luxury living) don’t want to be driven back in time to the economic deprivations of most earlier generations. Their idea was to make things better for all – not worse. Obviously some didn’t latch on to the concept … but generally, life HAS improved for humans. Who really wants to go back to ‘the good old days’??
      Although, thinking on it, removing 50% of the population might save the planet from the dreaded ‘global warming’. Eating irradiated food might accomplish even more. 😉

      1. Once in a lifetime, most of us spout some totally irrational thing, and then some other dolt records it for posterity……does that refer to everyone or only certain people?

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Oh indeed, everyone Dateam. 🙂 Happy to see you recorded THAT line. 🙂
          But if my last statement above was a little irrational, as far as the effect of volume of humans on the planet, it was reasonably accurate. It’s only the method of removal that’s irrational. 🙂

  10. ther will be no war…the economic climate is not set fot it…the usa , europeans ..cant afford it….recently bibi and barak were looking at introducing austerity measures because they are trying to find 20-30 billion dollars for a future war….the israelis hit the streets the other day protesting against a possible war…recently 3 people have burnt themselves in protest against the economic situation…kadima and lukid are splitting over issues such as conscription…its all politics….but i just have one questions…..all this because of accusations against an aligned npt signatory country…?? yet DOSEN’T ISRAEL ALREADY HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS? REFUSES TO DISCLOSE? REFUSES INSPECTIONS? REFUSES TO SIGN NPT? am i allowed to say that or am i going to be accussed of being anti semetic?

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Oh dateam … you can ask the question. Many do. And no-one knows for sure. So you either need to suspect they do, or believe the USA didn’t give them that bit of tech … although thinking it is true is perhaps as effective as it being true, so no-one verifies whether they would join in the self-immolation of humanity or not.
      That Israel and Iran play the same game in this respect is the politics.
      The question the rest of us ask is ‘which one is more likely to begin a real holocaust?’ – and for sure, after the experience of two ‘world wars’ the western minds in general (after some education and a short history of  luxury living) don’t want to be driven back in time to the economic deprivations of most earlier generations. Their idea was to make things better for all – not worse. Obviously some didn’t latch on to the concept … but generally, life HAS improved for humans. Who really wants to go back to ‘the good old days’??
      Although, thinking on it, removing 50% of the population might save the planet from the dreaded ‘global warming’. Eating irradiated food might accomplish even more. 😉

      1. Once in a lifetime, most of us spout some totally irrational thing, and then some other dolt records it for posterity……does that refer to everyone or only certain people?

  11. ther will be no war…the economic climate is not set fot it…the usa , europeans ..cant afford it….recently bibi and barak were looking at introducing austerity measures because they are trying to find 20-30 billion dollars for a future war….the israelis hit the streets the other day protesting against a possible war…recently 3 people have burnt themselves in protest against the economic situation…kadima and lukid are splitting over issues such as conscription…its all politics….but i just have one questions…..all this because of accusations against an aligned npt signatory country…?? yet DOSEN’T ISRAEL ALREADY HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS? REFUSES TO DISCLOSE? REFUSES INSPECTIONS? REFUSES TO SIGN NPT? am i allowed to say that or am i going to be accussed of being anti semetic?

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Oh dateam … you can ask the question. Many do. And no-one knows for sure. So you either need to suspect they do, or believe the USA didn’t give them that bit of tech … although thinking it is true is perhaps as effective as it being true, so no-one verifies whether they would join in the self-immolation of humanity or not.
      That Israel and Iran play the same game in this respect is the politics.
      The question the rest of us ask is ‘which one is more likely to begin a real holocaust?’ – and for sure, after the experience of two ‘world wars’ the western minds in general (after some education and a short history of  luxury living) don’t want to be driven back in time to the economic deprivations of most earlier generations. Their idea was to make things better for all – not worse. Obviously some didn’t latch on to the concept … but generally, life HAS improved for humans. Who really wants to go back to ‘the good old days’??
      Although, thinking on it, removing 50% of the population might save the planet from the dreaded ‘global warming’. 😉

      1. Once in a lifetime, most of us spout some totally irrational thing, and then some other dolt records it for posterity……does that refer to everyone or only certain people?

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Oh indeed, everyone Dateam. 🙂 Happy to see you recorded THAT line. 🙂
          But if my last statement was a little irrational, as far as the effect of volume of humans on the planet, it was reasonably accurate. It’s only the method of removal that’s irrational. 🙂

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