During Friday’s Muslim sermon Shiite cleric Sayyed Ali Fadlallah called on the Lebanese to welcome “peaceful refugees” in their homes, and protect them from any aggression against them and foil any possible abduction attempts.
“Everyone knows how the Syrian people welcomed the Lebanese migrants during the Zionist war on Lebanon in July 2006, and we should repay their favor, or even [do a] better job,” the son of the late Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah said .
Now Lebanon
Some thought went into that … and it took a bit of time … but it ended in a good pronouncement.
At least he said ‘Lebanese’ and avoided the stupid sectarian stuff. Even used the word ‘everyone’. Wow.
I wonder if he and Assir can get together?
Nice History notes, Moe. The evolution and movement of peoples is amazing sometimes. This is why it should be taught in the schools – with a newer history book available if they ever allow it in Lebanon.
In fact, one can now spend a lifetime reading history of the different countries, if one wants to understand how humans have changed and learned from each other. And it’s good you have found that someone actually chronicled at least part of it in a general sense, as it pertains to the area Lebanon finds itself in.
Winston Churchill’s ‘History Of The English-Speaking Peoples’ is one of those great tombs of accumulated events which shaped a country and it’s citizens as they are today. There are many, and of many countries.
But, after reading of it all, do you think it would be wise for today’s Scottish to go back to Gaelic thinking that they should invade the Picts or the Saxons and take over the whole island again?? Wouldn’t the Russians lift their eyebrows if a Mongol Horde rode into Moscow to take over the whole place – because they had the right ‘blood-lines’? Belgium couldn’t function at all if the Flemish and Walloons decided to have a go at each other once again with axes and spears with various Kings leading the charge at each other through all of Europe’s various sects.
Do you think Egyptians really want to go and trash Rome because Cleopatra was seduced by Marc Anthony, and then when they couldn’t get along, culturally-speaking, he burned the library at Alexandria?
(Although Shakespeare wouldn’t be happy about losing a library, that wasn’t why the Brits came to explore the middle east. 😉
You see where I’m going with this? You CANNOT role back time – or get back the land of ancient and by now unrecognizable civilizations – at least not until they maybe figure out all Einstein’s hypotheses.
Why not accept history as it was, see the errors of humans in it, and then try for a future TOGETHER without those silly things people seem to want to fight about? This ‘my land, your land’ stuff for a species which only survives individually for basically 60 years really is one of our biggest problems. Sure – feel free to buy a house, it’s yours. 100 years from now it won’t be. You think your kids will want it as a fixer-upper? Will they really want to mix the mud and straw??
Try thinking ‘Earth People’ for a change. Check out our misuse of the planet by the over-population of it. And get out of trying to make some prophecies come true, when it would be smarter trying to prevent them.
Study the history. Don’t keep trying to live it.
Some thought went into that … and it took a bit of time … but it ended in a good pronouncement.
At least he said ‘Lebanese’ and avoided the stupid sectarian stuff. Even used the word ‘everyone’. Wow.
Nice History notes, Moe. The evolution and movement of peoples is amazing sometimes. This is why it should be taught in the schools – with a newer history book available if they ever allow it in Lebanon.
In fact, one can now spend a lifetime reading history of the different countries, if one wants to understand how humans have changed and learned from each other. And it’s good you have found that someone actually chronicled at least part of it in a general sense, as it pertains to the area Lebanon finds itself in.Winston Churchill’s ‘History Of The English-Speaking Peoples’ is one of those great tombs of accumulated events which shaped a country and it’s citizens as they are today. There are many, and of many countries.But, after reading of it all, do you think it would be wise for today’s Scottish to go back to Gaelic thinking that they should invade the Picts or the Saxons and take over the whole island again?? Wouldn’t the Russians lift their eyebrows if a Mongol Horde rode into Moscow to take over the whole place – because they had the right ‘blood-lines’? Belgium couldn’t function at all if the Flemish and Walloons decided to have a go at each other once again with axes and spears with various Kings leading the charge at each other through all of Europe.
Do you think Egyptians really want to go and trash Rome because Cleopatra was seduced by Marc Anthony, and then when they couldn’t get along, culturally-speaking, he burned the library at Alexandria?
(Although Shakespeare wouldn’t be happy about losing a library, that wasn’t why the Brits came to explore the middle east. 😉
You see where I’m going with this? You CANNOT role back time – or get back the land of ancient and now unrecognizable civilizations – at least not until they maybe figure out all Einstein’s hypotheses.
Why not accept history as it was, see the errors of humans in it, and then try for a future TOGETHER without those silly things people seem to want to fight about? This ‘my land, your land’ stuff for a species which only survives individually for basically 60 years really is one of our biggest problems. Sure – feel free to buy a house, it’s yours. 100 years from now it won’t be. You think your kids will want it as a fixer-upper? Will they really want to mix the mud and straw??
Try thinking ‘Earth People’ for a change. Check out our misuse of the planet by the over-population of it. And get out of trying to make some prophecies come true, when it would be smarter trying to prevent them.
Study the history. Don’t keep trying to live it.
,Yes!These refugees need everybody s sympathy and help and protection!!!!
sending 5 p”s to support hariri….oops i will keep my pee”s hariri does not deserve them even though he is a refugee….he can go back to his homeland saoudi arabia whenever he wants but no place for him in Lebanon…we have enough refugees in Lebanon
Aleppo Shabiha Chief Captured and executed. Many more will face the same fate inshallah. The Free Syrian Army will make some place for the refugee in Lebanon inshallah. I prefer Bekaa Valley after booting out the Persian invading pigs from there a beautiful camp can be made.
The Shia of Lebanon have Phonecian DNA we are the Original people of this land!!!
Recent genetic testing has shown that nearly 40% of Lebanese Shi’a belong to the Y-DNA haplogroup J2. The J2 haplogroup is found at its highest frequency in the Fertile Crescent and Mediterranean regions, and has been considered the Y-haplogroup most characteristic of the Phoenicians.[7] Lebanese Shi’a are said to have been among the original inhabitants of the Keserwan and Jbeil regions in the Mount Lebanon District, and it is also known that some Shi’a Lebanese come from Christian and Pagan origins. Later a Shi’a emirate was established in Keserwan
a mountain region overlooking the coastal area north of Beirut, in
which they prospered for the next five centuries. The growth of Shi’a
Islam in Lebanon stopped around the late thirteenth century, and
subsequently Shi’i communities decreased in size. Keserwan began to lose
its Shi’i character under the Assaf Sunni Turkomans whom the Mamluks
appointed as overlords of the area in 1306. The process intensified
around 1545 when the Maronites started migrating to Keserwan and Jbeil,
encouraged by the Assafs, who sought to use them as a counterweight to
the Shi’i Himada sheikhs who reemerged in Kesrewan in the 16th century.
When in 1605 the Druze emir Fakhr al-Din Ma’n II
took over Kesrewan, he entrusted its management to the Khazin Maronite
family. The Khazins gradually colonized Kesrewan, purchasing Shi’i lands
and founding churches and monasteries. They emerged as the predominant
authority in the region at the expense of the Shi’i Hamedeh clan. By the
end of the eighteenth century, the Khazins owned Kesrewan and only a
few Shi’i villages survived. During the time of the Ottoman Empire
the Shi’as suffered religious persecution and were often forced to flee
their homes in search of refuge in the South. One example is the
Lebanese city of Tripoli,
which had formerly had a Shi’a Muslim majority. Many Lebanese Shi’a are
rumored to have concealed their religious sect and acted as Sunni
Muslims in fear of persecution. It is also rumored[by whom?] that some of the Shi’a permanently adopted the Sunni Muslim sect. The Ottomans and Druze were well allied and a Druze family seized power of Tripoli. Maronites
who were persecuted by the Ottoman’s and the Druze, sought refuge
amongst the newly relocated Shi’a population in the South. Jezzine, once
famously known as a Shi’a capital in Lebanon, is now known as a major Christian
city in the South. The Shi’is withdrew further south and eventually had
to abandon even Jezzine, which until the mid-eighteenth century had
functioned as a center of Shi’i learning in Lebanon.[8]
During the Sunni caliphates
The growth of Shi’a Islam in Lebanon stopped around the late
thirteenth century, and subsequently Shi’i communities decreased in
size. This development may be traced to 1291, when the Sunni Mamluks
sent numerous military expeditions to subdue the Shi’is of Keserwan, a
mountain region overlooking the coastal area north of Beirut. The first
two Mamluk expeditions were defeated by the Shi’a in Keserwan. The third
expedition, on the other hand, was overwhelmingly large and was able to
defeat the Shi’a in Keserwan; many were brutally slaughtered, some fled
through the mountains to northern Beqaa while others fled moving through the Beqaa plain, to a new safe haven in Jezzine.
Keserwan began to lose its Shi’i character under the Assaf Sunni
Turkomans whom the Mamluks appointed as overlords of the area in 1306.
The process intensified around 1545 when the Maronites started migrating
to Keserwan and Jbeil, encouraged by the Assafs, who sought to use them
as a counterweight to the Shi’i Himada sheikhs who reemerged in
Kesrewan. When in 1605 the Druze emir Fakhr al-Din Ma’n II
took over Kesrewan, he entrusted its management to the Khazin Maronite
family. The Khazins gradually colonized Kesrewan, purchasing Shi’i lands
and founding churches and monasteries. They emerged as the predominant
authority in the region at the expense of the Shi’i Hamedeh clan. By the
end of the eighteenth century, the Khazins owned Kesrewan and only a
few Shi’i villages survived. During the time of the Ottoman Empire
the Shi’as suffered religious persecution and were often forced to flee
their homes in search of refuge in the South. One example is the
Lebanese city of Tripoli,
which had formerly had a Shi’a Muslim majority. Many Lebanese Shi’a are
rumored to have concealed their religious sect and acted as Sunni
Muslims in fear of persecution. It is also rumored[by whom?] that some of the Shi’a permanently adopted the Sunni Muslim sect. The Ottomans and Druze were well allied and a Druze family seized power of Tripoli. Maronites
who were persecuted by the Ottoman’s and the Druze, sought refuge
amongst the newly relocated Shi’a population in the South. Jezzine, once
famously known as a Shi’a capital in Lebanon, is now known as a major Christian
city in the South. The Shi’is withdrew further south and eventually had
to abandon even Jezzine, which until the mid-eighteenth century had
functioned as a center of Shi’i learning in Lebanon.[9]
Although the Jabal ‘Amil enjoyed a degree of autonomy in the eighteenth century, this ended with the Ottoman appointment of Ahmad al-Jazzar
as governor of Sidon province (1775–1804). Jazzar crushed the military
power of the Shi’i clan leaders and burned the libraries of the
religious scholars using the Druze tribes established in the Shouf,
mainly the strong Nakad family, allied to the Maan. He established a
centralized administration in the Shi’i areas and brought their revenues
and cash crops under his domain. By the late eighteenth century, the
Shi’is of the Jabal ‘Amil lost their independent spirit and adopted an
attitude of political defeat. Al-Jezzar was nicknamed “the butcher” and a
big population of the Shi’a were killed under his rule in Lebanon.
From Shia being in all of Lebanon from Akkar tripoli to the south, the Ottoman Caliph pushed us all the way south!!!!! Murdered persecuted us!! from Akkar & tripoli to Jbeil from Jbeil to Jazzine from Jezzine further south!! and then Saida with the druze butchered us in the south!!!
Today Iran stated anyone in the Resistance block that ask for assistance they will assist by military means!!!
Relations with Iran
During most of the Ottoman period, the Shi’a largely maintained
themselves as ‘a state apart’, although they found common ground with
their fellow Lebanese, the Maronites; this may have been due to the persecutions both sects faced. They maintained contact with the Safavid dynasty of Persia, where they helped establish Shi’a Islam as the state religion of Persia during the Safavid conversion of Iran from Sunnism to Shiism.
Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated
version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new
Shia Ulema corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking
lands, such as Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Bahrain and Southern Iraq
in order to create a state clergy. Ismail offered them land and money
in return for loyalty. These scholars taught the doctrine of Twelver
Shiism and made it accessible to the population and energetically
encouraged conversion to Shiism.[10][11][12][13]
To emphasize how scarce Twelver Shiism was then to be found in Iran, a
chronicler tells us that only one Shia text could be found in Ismail’s
capital Tabriz.[14]
Thus it is questionable whether Ismail and his followers could have
succeeded in forcing a whole people to adopt a new faith without the
support of the Arab Shiite scholars.[15]
These contacts further angered the Ottoman Sultan, who had already
viewed them as religious heretics. The Sultan was frequently at war with
the Persians, as well as being, in the role of Caliph, the leader of
the majority Sunni community. Shi’a Lebanon, when not subject to
political repression, was generally neglected, sinking further and
further into the economic background. Towards the end of the eighteenth
century the Comte de Volmy was to describe the Shi’a as a distinct
society.[citation needed]
Relations with Iran
During most of the Ottoman period, the Shi’a largely maintained
themselves as ‘a state apart’, although they found common ground with
their fellow Lebanese, the Maronites; this may have been due to the persecutions both sects faced. They maintained contact with the Safavid dynasty of Persia, where they helped establish Shi’a Islam as the state religion of Persia during the Safavid conversion of Iran from Sunnism to Shiism.
Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated
version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new
Shia Ulema corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking
lands, such as Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Bahrain and Southern Iraq
in order to create a state clergy. Ismail offered them land and money
in return for loyalty. These scholars taught the doctrine of Twelver
Shiism and made it accessible to the population and energetically
encouraged conversion to Shiism.[10][11][12][13]
To emphasize how scarce Twelver Shiism was then to be found in Iran, a
chronicler tells us that only one Shia text could be found in Ismail’s
capital Tabriz.[14]
Thus it is questionable whether Ismail and his followers could have
succeeded in forcing a whole people to adopt a new faith without the
support of the Arab Shiite scholars.[15]
These contacts further angered the Ottoman Sultan, who had already
viewed them as religious heretics. The Sultan was frequently at war with
the Persians, as well as being, in the role of Caliph, the leader of
the majority Sunni community. Shi’a Lebanon, when not subject to
political repression, was generally neglected, sinking further and
further into the economic background. Towards the end of the eighteenth
century the Comte de Volmy was to describe the Shi’a as a distinct
society.[citation needed]
sending 5 p”s to support hariri….oops i will keep my pee”s hariri does not deserve them even though he is a refugee….he can go back to his homeland saoudi arabia whenever he wants but no place for him in Lebanon…we have enough refugees in Lebanon
,Yes!These refugees need everybody s sympathy and help and protection!!!!
sending 5 p”s to support hariri….oops i will keep my pee”s hariri does not deserve them even though he is a refugee….he can go back to his homeland saoudi arabia whenever he wants but no place for him in Lebanon…we have enough refugees in Lebanon
Aleppo Shabiha Chief Captured and executed. Many more will face the same fate inshallah. The Free Syrian Army will make some place for the refugee in Lebanon inshallah. I prefer Bekaa Valley after booting out the Persian invading pigs from there a beautiful camp can be made.
The Shia of Lebanon have Phonecian DNA we are the Original people of this land!!!
Recent genetic testing has shown that nearly 40% of Lebanese Shi’a belong to the Y-DNA haplogroup J2. The J2 haplogroup is found at its highest frequency in the Fertile Crescent and Mediterranean regions, and has been considered the Y-haplogroup most characteristic of the Phoenicians.[7] Lebanese Shi’a are said to have been among the original inhabitants of the Keserwan and Jbeil regions in the Mount Lebanon District, and it is also known that some Shi’a Lebanese come from Christian and Pagan origins. Later a Shi’a emirate was established in Keserwan
a mountain region overlooking the coastal area north of Beirut, in
which they prospered for the next five centuries. The growth of Shi’a
Islam in Lebanon stopped around the late thirteenth century, and
subsequently Shi’i communities decreased in size. Keserwan began to lose
its Shi’i character under the Assaf Sunni Turkomans whom the Mamluks
appointed as overlords of the area in 1306. The process intensified
around 1545 when the Maronites started migrating to Keserwan and Jbeil,
encouraged by the Assafs, who sought to use them as a counterweight to
the Shi’i Himada sheikhs who reemerged in Kesrewan in the 16th century.
When in 1605 the Druze emir Fakhr al-Din Ma’n II
took over Kesrewan, he entrusted its management to the Khazin Maronite
family. The Khazins gradually colonized Kesrewan, purchasing Shi’i lands
and founding churches and monasteries. They emerged as the predominant
authority in the region at the expense of the Shi’i Hamedeh clan. By the
end of the eighteenth century, the Khazins owned Kesrewan and only a
few Shi’i villages survived. During the time of the Ottoman Empire
the Shi’as suffered religious persecution and were often forced to flee
their homes in search of refuge in the South. One example is the
Lebanese city of Tripoli,
which had formerly had a Shi’a Muslim majority. Many Lebanese Shi’a are
rumored to have concealed their religious sect and acted as Sunni
Muslims in fear of persecution. It is also rumored[by whom?] that some of the Shi’a permanently adopted the Sunni Muslim sect. The Ottomans and Druze were well allied and a Druze family seized power of Tripoli. Maronites
who were persecuted by the Ottoman’s and the Druze, sought refuge
amongst the newly relocated Shi’a population in the South. Jezzine, once
famously known as a Shi’a capital in Lebanon, is now known as a major Christian
city in the South. The Shi’is withdrew further south and eventually had
to abandon even Jezzine, which until the mid-eighteenth century had
functioned as a center of Shi’i learning in Lebanon.[8]
During the Sunni caliphates
The growth of Shi’a Islam in Lebanon stopped around the late
thirteenth century, and subsequently Shi’i communities decreased in
size. This development may be traced to 1291, when the Sunni Mamluks
sent numerous military expeditions to subdue the Shi’is of Keserwan, a
mountain region overlooking the coastal area north of Beirut. The first
two Mamluk expeditions were defeated by the Shi’a in Keserwan. The third
expedition, on the other hand, was overwhelmingly large and was able to
defeat the Shi’a in Keserwan; many were brutally slaughtered, some fled
through the mountains to northern Beqaa while others fled moving through the Beqaa plain, to a new safe haven in Jezzine.
Keserwan began to lose its Shi’i character under the Assaf Sunni
Turkomans whom the Mamluks appointed as overlords of the area in 1306.
The process intensified around 1545 when the Maronites started migrating
to Keserwan and Jbeil, encouraged by the Assafs, who sought to use them
as a counterweight to the Shi’i Himada sheikhs who reemerged in
Kesrewan. When in 1605 the Druze emir Fakhr al-Din Ma’n II
took over Kesrewan, he entrusted its management to the Khazin Maronite
family. The Khazins gradually colonized Kesrewan, purchasing Shi’i lands
and founding churches and monasteries. They emerged as the predominant
authority in the region at the expense of the Shi’i Hamedeh clan. By the
end of the eighteenth century, the Khazins owned Kesrewan and only a
few Shi’i villages survived. During the time of the Ottoman Empire
the Shi’as suffered religious persecution and were often forced to flee
their homes in search of refuge in the South. One example is the
Lebanese city of Tripoli,
which had formerly had a Shi’a Muslim majority. Many Lebanese Shi’a are
rumored to have concealed their religious sect and acted as Sunni
Muslims in fear of persecution. It is also rumored[by whom?] that some of the Shi’a permanently adopted the Sunni Muslim sect. The Ottomans and Druze were well allied and a Druze family seized power of Tripoli. Maronites
who were persecuted by the Ottoman’s and the Druze, sought refuge
amongst the newly relocated Shi’a population in the South. Jezzine, once
famously known as a Shi’a capital in Lebanon, is now known as a major Christian
city in the South. The Shi’is withdrew further south and eventually had
to abandon even Jezzine, which until the mid-eighteenth century had
functioned as a center of Shi’i learning in Lebanon.[9]
Although the Jabal ‘Amil enjoyed a degree of autonomy in the eighteenth century, this ended with the Ottoman appointment of Ahmad al-Jazzar
as governor of Sidon province (1775–1804). Jazzar crushed the military
power of the Shi’i clan leaders and burned the libraries of the
religious scholars using the Druze tribes established in the Shouf,
mainly the strong Nakad family, allied to the Maan. He established a
centralized administration in the Shi’i areas and brought their revenues
and cash crops under his domain. By the late eighteenth century, the
Shi’is of the Jabal ‘Amil lost their independent spirit and adopted an
attitude of political defeat. Al-Jezzar was nicknamed “the butcher” and a
big population of the Shi’a were killed under his rule in Lebanon.
From Shia being in all of Lebanon from Akkar tripoli the Ottoman Caliph pushed us all the way south!!!!! Murdered persecuted us!!
Today Iran stated anyone in the Resistance block that ask for assistance they will assist by military means!!!
Relations with Iran
During most of the Ottoman period, the Shi’a largely maintained
themselves as ‘a state apart’, although they found common ground with
their fellow Lebanese, the Maronites; this may have been due to the persecutions both sects faced. They maintained contact with the Safavid dynasty of Persia, where they helped establish Shi’a Islam as the state religion of Persia during the Safavid conversion of Iran from Sunnism to Shiism.
Since most of the population embraced Sunni Islam and since an educated
version of Shiism was scarce in Iran at the time, Ismail imported a new
Shia Ulema corps from traditional Shiite centers of the Arabic speaking
lands, such as Jabal Amil (of Southern Lebanon), Bahrain and Southern Iraq
in order to create a state clergy. Ismail offered them land and money
in return for loyalty. These scholars taught the doctrine of Twelver
Shiism and made it accessible to the population and energetically
encouraged conversion to Shiism.[10][11][12][13]
To emphasize how scarce Twelver Shiism was then to be found in Iran, a
chronicler tells us that only one Shia text could be found in Ismail’s
capital Tabriz.[14]
Thus it is questionable whether Ismail and his followers could have
succeeded in forcing a whole people to adopt a new faith without the
support of the Arab Shiite scholars.[15]
These contacts further angered the Ottoman Sultan, who had already
viewed them as religious heretics. The Sultan was frequently at war with
the Persians, as well as being, in the role of Caliph, the leader of
the majority Sunni community. Shi’a Lebanon, when not subject to
political repression, was generally neglected, sinking further and
further into the economic background. Towards the end of the eighteenth
century the Comte de Volmy was to describe the Shi’a as a distinct
society.[citation needed]
His statement is good and politically correct. The only man among the shia who understand the repercussion is the Ex secretary General of Hezbollah Mustafa Subhi Tufaely. That person has a good heart and doesnt hesitate to challenge the wrong doing of Hezbollah. He wont be able to change anything but yet he is a righteous ambassador from the Shia and our prayer for him is that he get the highest reward from the Almighty Allah.
sorry wargame1
i think you are wrong on that one mustafa subhi tufaely was outled from hazbullah because he was planning to make a war against the sunnis of lebanon and the christians of lebanon i think you have to read the history again
sorry wargame1
i think you are wrong on that one mustafa subhi tufaely was outled from hazbullah because he was planning to make a war against the sunnis of lebanon and the christians of lebanon i think you have to read the history again
His statement is good and politically correct. The only man among the shia who understand the repercussion is the Ex secretary General of Hezbollah Mustafa Subhi Tufaely. That person has a good heart and doesnt hesitate to challenge the wrong doing of Hezbollah. He wont be able to change anything but yet he is a righteous ambassador from the Shia and our prayer for him is that he get the highest reward from the Almighty Allah.
sorry wargame1
i think you are wrong on that one mustafa subhi tufaely was outled from hazbullah because he was planning to make a war against the sunnis of lebanon and the christians of lebanon i think you have to read the history again
About time too. Whatever happened to the humanity of the Lebanese humanity. Whichever religious persuasion we are. Do we need to be educated at the Sorbonne University or do we have it in our own culture of Christianity, Shiizm, or Sunni or whatever? surely we are the cradle of Civilization? or is that old times only and now we need Western ideas to be civilized. We should rejoice for what this man has said and hope that there will be more of him in Lebanon promptly. As we need our humanity to come back to us NOW.
About time too. Whatever happened to the humanity of the Lebanese humanity. Whichever religious persuasion we are. Do we need to be educated at the Sorbonne University or do we have it in our own culture of Christianity, Shiizm, or Sunni or whatever? surely we are the cradle of Civilization? or is that old times only and now we need Western ideas to be civilized. We should rejoice for what this man has said and hope that there will be more of him in Lebanon promptly. As we need our humanity to come back to us NOW.
I sense here a man of quality. I hope he’s sincere.
I sense here a man of quality. I hope he’s sincere.
I sense here a man of quality. I hope he’s sincere.
@Moe2000:disqus
I have read all your post and will make some research on it. The DNA thing is not important when you are born in Lebanon or even migrate to Lebanon to live a peaceful life. It is not necessary that your forefather need to be a leanese in order for you to make a claim like the Jews revitalize their claim after 3000 years.
Once you are in a country your allegiance will be with that country but if it is resting else where such as Iran then no DNA can help you to be a Lebanese. The Persian like every other human being are sons of Adam and Eve and in that connection we all are connected. The religious doctrine made us apart; Yet it is good to look for a common ground to live in peace.
I do not have any doubt about the Shias that most of them are NOT hostile towards sunnis but your holy book teaches you to hate the sunnis as I quoted some from the text last time. Now if you are born in a shia family and learn those things from your holy book then you wont be able to reconcile with the sunnis.
In this matter I found Subhi Tufaeli a great man who is proud to be a shia but at the same time doesnt tolarate the wrong doing of his own sect and ready to condemn. Many of you will be calling him a traitor. There is a Christian man Mr.Gaega who is also a righteous person.
After the fall of the Persian empire the Majoosi went under ground but they were very angry on the Arabs and never could forgive the Arab conquest of Persia. I am from a country where we had Persian , Roman and Arab presence; Most of us accepted Sunni Islam. But we really do not maintain any such history of who did what; Thats why I personally never had any grudge against the Shias nor against the Romans. After the US invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan I didnt like Iranian role and since then I have made some research on Shia Islam and understood that Shia and Sunni are two different religion.
Sorry Gaegea is not a good person he has a lot of blood on his hands 100,000 died during the civil war.
I’m surprised that you haven’t been keeping up on science, wargame.
If you’re doing DNA, then you’ll find we’re all Africans. I’m happy some ancient ancestor decided to leave. ;-)))))
@Moe2000:disqus
I have read all your post and will make some research on it. The DNA thing is not important when you are born in Lebanon or even migrate to Lebanon to live a peaceful life. It is not necessary that your forefather need to be a leanese in order for you to make a claim like the Jews revitalize their claim after 3000 years.
Once you are in a country your allegiance will be with that country but if it is resting else where such as Iran then no DNA can help you to be a Lebanese. The Persian like every other human being are sons of Adam and Eve and in that connection we all are connected. The religious doctrine made us apart; Yet it is good to look for a common ground to live in peace.
I do not have any doubt about the Shias that most of them are NOT hostile towards sunnis but your holy book teaches you to hate the sunnis as I quoted some from the text last time. Now if you are born in a shia family and learn those things from your holy book then you wont be able to reconcile with the sunnis.
In this matter I found Subhi Tufaeli a great man who is proud to be a shia but at the same time doesnt tolarate the wrong doing of his own sect and ready to condemn. Many of you will be calling him a traitor. There is a Christian man Mr.Gaega who is also a righteous person.
After the fall of the Persian empire the Majoosi went under ground but they were very angry on the Arabs and never could forgive the Arab conquest of Persia. I am from a country where we had Persian , Roman and Arab presence; Most of us accepted Sunni Islam. But we really do not maintain any such history of who did what; Thats why I personally never had any grudge against the Shias nor against the Romans. After the US invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan I didnt like Iranian role and since then I have made some research on Shia Islam and understood that Shia and Sunni are two different religion.
Sorry Gaegea is not a good person he has a lot of blood on his hands 100,000 died during the civil war.
@Moe2000:disqus
I have read all your post and will make some research on it. The DNA thing is not important when you are born in Lebanon or even migrate to Lebanon to live a peaceful life. It is not necessary that your forefather need to be a leanese in order for you to make a claim like the Jews revitalize their claim after 3000 years.
Once you are in a country your allegiance will be with that country but if it is resting else where such as Iran then no DNA can help you to be a Lebanese. The Persian like every other human being are sons of Adam and Eve and in that connection we all are connected. The religious doctrine made us apart; Yet it is good to look for a common ground to live in peace.
I do not have any doubt about the Shias that most of them are NOT hostile towards sunnis but your holy book teaches you to hate the sunnis as I quoted some from the text last time. Now if you are born in a shia family and learn those things from your holy book then you wont be able to reconcile with the sunnis.
In this matter I found Subhi Tufaeli a great man who is proud to be a shia but at the same time doesnt tolarate the wrong doing of his own sect and ready to condemn. Many of you will be calling him a traitor. There is a Christian man Mr.Gaega who is also a righteous person.
After the fall of the Persian empire the Majoosi went under ground but they were very angry on the Arabs and never could forgive the Arab conquest of Persia. I am from a country where we had Persian , Roman and Arab presence; Most of us accepted Sunni Islam. But we really do not maintain any such history of who did what; Thats why I personally never had any grudge against the Shias nor against the Romans. After the US invasion in Iraq and Afghanistan I didnt like Iranian role and since then I have made some research on Shia Islam and understood that Shia and Sunni are two different religion.
Sorry Gaegea is not a good person he has a lot of blood on his hands 100,000 died during the civil war.
I’m surprised that you haven’t been keeping up on science, wargame.
If you’re doing DNA, then you’ll find we’re all Africans. I’m happy some ancient ancestor decided to leave. ;-)))))
@Moe2000:disqus
The majoosi Persian Empire planted a seed of haterad towards the Arabs in order to take revenge against the loss of the Empire. Arabs were ruled by the Persians and the Romans and they were invaded just like today the Iraqi and the Afghan sunnis are invaded.
When the Roman Bayzentine won against Persia the Arab Muslims rejoiced
” The Roman Empire has been defeated-
In a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious-
Within a few years. With Allah is the Decision, in the past and in the Future: on that Day shall the Believers rejoice-
With the help of Allah. He helps whom He will, and He is exalted in might, most merciful.
(It is) the promise of Allah. Never does Allah depart from His promise: but most men understand not” (Quran 30:2-6)
The Persian Majoosi regime planted “Nationalism” hype and it was so strong that Islam was faded against the nationalism. If you know the killer of Khalifa Omer. He was a known Persian Fire worshiper named Abu Lolo and he is one of the Hero of Iran today. Abu Lolo has a shrine in Iran where many Iranian go to worship. Now how can a fire worshiper become better than the companion of the Prophet?
The current Iranian regime are pure Majoosi regime hiding in a Islamic cloak. I have done some research and found that they even bragged it in public.They are against Islam and will try to misguide the Iranians and make them their useful tool against the sunnis.
Todays Syrian Situation are the repercussion of the past conspiracy of Iran. The sunnis are 80% in Syria and the Syrian regime is Shia! not even real shia but they were accepted as shia by late Musa Al sadr in a fatwa. Before that the Alawite pretended as Lost Christians when the French invaded Syria. These minority could and still can live in peace provided they dont take up these vital position of ruling the majority. Its always dangerous because the minority need to have foreign backing and both party reciprocate each other for mutual benefit.But it doesnt work all the time. Today the Syrian situation will change and the Sunnis from all over the world will help their fellow sunni brother against the tyrant.
Each and every ruler will fall in the middle east including the Iranian regime. This is from the prophesy though but I think you can sense it.
Basically then, what people should do is tell prophets to stick fatwahs and theories where the sun don’t shine. Demand some realism. For a change.
Hey ya yahudi Iran is coming for ya.. You better keep your mouth shut
@Moe2000:disqus
The majoosi Persian Empire planted a seed of haterad towards the Arabs in order to take revenge against the loss of the Empire. Arabs were ruled by the Persians and the Romans and they were invaded just like today the Iraqi and the Afghan sunnis are invaded.
When the Roman Bayzentine won against Persia the Arab Muslims rejoiced
” The Roman Empire has been defeated-
In a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious-
Within a few years. With Allah is the Decision, in the past and in the Future: on that Day shall the Believers rejoice-
With the help of Allah. He helps whom He will, and He is exalted in might, most merciful.
(It is) the promise of Allah. Never does Allah depart from His promise: but most men understand not” (Quran 30:2-6)
The Persian Majoosi regime planted “Nationalism” hype and it was so strong that Islam was faded against the nationalism. If you know the killer of Khalifa Omer. He was a known Persian Fire worshiper named Abu Lolo and he is one of the Hero of Iran today. Abu Lolo has a shrine in Iran where many Iranian go to worship. Now how can a fire worshiper become better than the companion of the Prophet?
The current Iranian regime are pure Majoosi regime hiding in a Islamic cloak. I have done some research and found that they even bragged it in public.They are against Islam and will try to misguide the Iranians and make them their useful tool against the sunnis.
Todays Syrian Situation are the repercussion of the past conspiracy of Iran. The sunnis are 80% in Syria and the Syrian regime is Shia! not even real shia but they were accepted as shia by late Musa Al sadr in a fatwa. Before that the Alawite pretended as Lost Christians when the French invaded Syria. These minority could and still can live in peace provided they dont take up these vital position of ruling the majority. Its always dangerous because the minority need to have foreign backing and both party reciprocate each other for mutual benefit.But it doesnt work all the time. Today the Syrian situation will change and the Sunnis from all over the world will help their fellow sunni brother against the tyrant.
Each and every ruler will fall in the middle east including the Iranian regime. This is from the prophesy though but I think you can sense it.
Basically then, what people should do is tell prophets to stick fatwahs and theories where the sun don’t shine. Demand some realism. For a change.
Hey ya yahudi Iran is coming for ya.. You better keep your mouth shut
@Moe2000:disqus
“If ye reject , Truly Allah hath no need of you; but He liketh not ingratitude from His servants: if ye are grateful, He is pleased with you. No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. In the end, to your Lord is your Return, when He will tell you the truth of all that ye did (in this life). for He knoweth well all that is in (men’s) hearts.” (Quran 39:7)
“Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for his own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to his own loss: No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit with Our Wrath until We had sent an apostle (to give warning). (Quran17:15)
“No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another ”
The points stressed in the above verse are:1. You get the benefit for whatever good you do; and you get the punishment for whatever evil you do.2. Nobody is made to carry the burden of another. This means that the sins of your father are not visited upon you.
Islam teaches us that sins are not inherited. Therefore we must not go back to thousand years and bring the wrath on a community just because their forefather supposedly did something wrong.
I agree with you on that.. Islam teaches to forgive..
So does islam also allow forgiveness for the unbeliever.? and the freedom to walk in the direction one chooses…….
Therefore we must not go back to thousand years and bring the wrath on a community just because their forefather supposedly did something wrong.
Well I wish people stop holding grudges thats for sure…
But you see the problem is people choose who to forgive and forget and who not to…. rather than forgive and live together in peace….
master09
islam allow forgieness for unbelivers and the freedom to in the direction one chooses
and to put it in a way that mosty people will understends it unbelivers meand who dose not belive in GOD and not as most other musilims say just for political used only that christians ar the unbelivers i can tell u now that if any musilm says it he or she is useing it for political use only what most of the christians dont knoe is that in the quran christ was metion 250000 time morethan profet Mohamed we musilm belive in christ just like any christian but we musilm belive that christ is the son of man and a profet if anyone thell u diifferent from this he or she is a dam fool and a person ur love evil
So does islam also allow forgiveness for the unbeliever.? and the freedom to walk in the direction one chooses…….
Therefore we must not go back to thousand years and bring the wrath on a community just because their forefather supposedly did something wrong.
Well I wish people stop holding grudges thats for sure…
But you see the problem is people choose who to forgive and forget and who not to…. rather than forgive and live together in peace….
@Moe2000:disqus
“If ye reject , Truly Allah hath no need of you; but He liketh not ingratitude from His servants: if ye are grateful, He is pleased with you. No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. In the end, to your Lord is your Return, when He will tell you the truth of all that ye did (in this life). for He knoweth well all that is in (men’s) hearts.” (Quran 39:7)
“Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for his own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to his own loss: No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit with Our Wrath until We had sent an apostle (to give warning). (Quran17:15)
“No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another ”
The points stressed in the above verse are:1. You get the benefit for whatever good you do; and you get the punishment for whatever evil you do.2. Nobody is made to carry the burden of another. This means that the sins of your father are not visited upon you.
Islam teaches us that sins are not inherited. Therefore we must not go back to thousand years and bring the wrath on a community just because their forefather supposedly did something wrong.
@Moe2000:disqus
“If ye reject , Truly Allah hath no need of you; but He liketh not ingratitude from His servants: if ye are grateful, He is pleased with you. No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another. In the end, to your Lord is your Return, when He will tell you the truth of all that ye did (in this life). for He knoweth well all that is in (men’s) hearts.” (Quran 39:7)
“Who receiveth guidance, receiveth it for his own benefit: who goeth astray doth so to his own loss: No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another: nor would We visit with Our Wrath until We had sent an apostle (to give warning). (Quran17:15)
“No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another ”
The points stressed in the above verse are:1. You get the benefit for whatever good you do; and you get the punishment for whatever evil you do.2. Nobody is made to carry the burden of another. This means that the sins of your father are not visited upon you.
Islam teaches us that sins are not inherited. Therefore we must not go back to thousand years and bring the wrath on a community just because their forefather supposedly did something wrong.
I agree with you on that..
So does islam also allow forgiveness for the unbeliever.? and the freedom to walk in the direction one chooses…….
Therefore we must not go back to thousand years and bring the wrath on a community just because their forefather supposedly did something wrong.
Well I wish people stop holding grudges thats for sure…
But you see the problem is people choose who to forgive and forget and who not to…. rather than forgive and live together in peace….
master09
islam allow forgieness for unbelivers and the freedom to in the direction one chooses
and to put it in a way that mosty people will understends it unbelivers meand who dose not belive in GOD and not as most other musilims say just for political used only that christians ar the unbelivers i can tell u now that if any musilm says it he or she is useing it for political use only what most of the christians dont knoe is that in the quran christ was metion 250000 time morethan profet Mohamed we musilm belive in christ just like any christian but we musilm belive that christ is the son of man and a profet if anyone thell u diifferent from this he or she is a dam fool and a person ur love evil
My comment is to everyone in general with all respect,I am not criticizing anyone, I just want to understand that’s alI. I read a lot of comments on this website, and most comments are written in English, unless I am mistaken Allah and God are the same, yes? Allah in Arabic God in English, yes? , please tell me if I am wrong, and if I am right, why you keep typing Allah and not God when you are communicating in English.
Dios !!
Mien Gott !!
Mon Dieu !!
Hmmmm … Gut … Dio … the infamous Yiddish, Got … rather hard sounds those letters …..
Ok … God. There it is. God is all the above and more.
And yes Panchos, it’s the same guy. (Or girl – there’s debate on that.)
We’re all in the ‘one god’ theory room, right? 😉
I think Mohammad had a problem with all the hard-sounding letters in other languages, so typically, he went off in another direction. We go along with the Allah just to keep the silly verbal fights down to a minimum. But you don’t need to. Pick your version – we’ll understand. :-))
Pancho makes a good point! Somehow people appear to prove with their religeous wars that there are different Gods. If people truly believed collectively in one God, they wouldn’t be fighting among themselves in his name sake, unless ther believe is fake … In the worst case scenario, this can get out of control if it gets to the point where each person believes his God is the true one and what everybody else believes in is not true. … Perhaps first order logic and religion don’t mix in the first place and thus God can’t exit in the context of language.
Well Yosemite. It seems He can’t exist very successfully when humans try to personify Him in their own image.
I rather like the North American Native concept of Manitou – the Great Spirit that resides in every living thing – plant and animal – and controls the forces of nature which we stand in awe of.
Not that ‘the white man’ didn’t try to shift their thinking somewhat when they ‘found’ the place and ‘conquered the land’ … but that concept fits well into every other ‘one god’ theory and the natives still hold it. Why not go with that one? 😉
My comment is to everyone in general with all respect,I am not criticizing anyone, I just want to understand that’s alI. I read a lot of comments on this website, and most comments are written in English, unless I am mistaken Allah and God are the same, yes? Allah in Arabic God in English, yes? , please tell me if I am wrong, and if I am right, why you keep typing Allah and not God when you are communicating in English.
Dios !!
Mien Gott !!
Mon Dieu !!
Hmmmm … Gut … Dio … the infamous Yiddish, Got … rather hard sounds those letters …..
Ok … God. There it is. God is all the above and more.
And yes Panchos, it’s the same guy. (Or girl – there’s debate on that.)
We’re all in the ‘one god’ theory room, right? 😉
I think Mohammad had a problem with all the hard-sounding letters in other languages, so typically, he went off in another direction. We go along with the Allah just to keep the silly fights down to a minimum. But you don’t need to. Pick your version – we’ll understand. :-))
Pancho makes a good point! Somehow people appear to prove with their religeous wars that there are different Gods. If people truly believed collectively in one God, they wouldn’t be fighting among themselves in his name sake, unless ther believe is fake … In the worst case scenario, this can get out of control if it gets to the point where each person believes his God is the true one and what everybody else believes in is not true. … Perhaps first order logic and religion don’t mix in the first place and thus God can’t exit in the context of language.
Well Yosemite. It seems He can’t exist very successfully when humans try to personify Him in their own image.
I rather like the North American Native concept of Manitou – the Great Spirit that resides in every living thing – plant and animal – and controls the forces of nature which we stand in awe of.
Not that ‘the white man’ didn’t try to shift their thinking somewhat when they ‘found’ the place and ‘conquered the land’ … but that concept fits well into every other ‘one god’ theory and the natives still hold it. Why not go with that one? 😉
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