Saudi Arabia warns Iran over Gulf islands, Bahrain

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Saudi Arabia repeated on Wednesday that it would not tolerate threats to the Gulf Arab states’ sovereignty, the latest warning to Iran after President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s visit to an island claimed by both Tehran and the United Arab Emirates.

The warning, the third in as many weeks by a member of the six-nation Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), comes amid increased nervousness in the region over Iran.

Shi’ite-led unrest is resurgent in Bahrain a year after the ruling Al Khalifa family brought in Saudi and UAE troops to help suppress an uprising seen by Sunni Muslim Gulf rulers as sectarian in nature and driven by Shi’ite giant Iran.

“Any harm that comes across any of our countries is harm that touches us all,” Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Nayef said in a speech at a meeting of GCC interior ministers in Riyadh.

Nayef also condemned what he called Iran’s “occupation” of the islands and its role in events in Bahrain.

“We stress that Saudi Arabia and the rest of the council countries are standing in a unified line with Bahrain and the UAE to protect sovereignty and stability, considering their security a part of the council’s security as a whole.”

Ahmadinejad made a rare visit on April 11 to Abu Musa, one of three Gulf islands also claimed by the UAE and located near oil shipping routes at the mouth of the Gulf, the Strait of Hormuz.

Bahrain’s Formula One race last month drew fresh attention to ongoing clashes between Bahraini security forces and mostly Shi’ite protesters, although the main Shi’ite Islamist Wefaq party denies any links with Iran.

Tensions with Iran have increased since the Gulf Arab countries’ western allies tightened sanctions over Iran’s suspected nuclear weapons program. Tehran says its nuclear activities are entirely peaceful.

Saudi foreign minister Prince Saud al-Faisal said in a speech over the weekend that Gulf Arab states are pushing ahead with plans for a political union that would involve joint foreign and defense policies, an idea floated by Saudi King Abdullah last December.

After Ahmadinejad’s visit to Abu Musa, some 60 km (40 miles) off the UAE coast, the Islamic Republic said its sovereignty over the three islands was not negotiable but it has also called for talks with the UAE to clear up “misunderstandings”.

Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi, quoted by the student news agency ISNA, said Iran wanted to “have the best possible relations with the UAE, as our trade and economic relations are significant.”

Reuters

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216 responses to “Saudi Arabia warns Iran over Gulf islands, Bahrain”

  1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
    Mahdi Kenaani

    God i cant stand these disgusting wahabis!!!!!

    1. MeYosemite Avatar
      MeYosemite

      There is no one better than the other. All religious fanatisms are to go.

      1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
        Mahdi Kenaani

        these wahabis are fanatic but not religious

    2. Rafic Avatar

      Since all 3 religions belong to God that means all 3 are correct then why everybody thinks their’s is most correct and kill in the name of all mighty or call each other Kafer or infidel since all 3 worship the same God unless some religions think their God is the most true one, any explanation Mr. Kenaani?

      1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
        Mahdi Kenaani

        No all 3 religions cant be right at the same time because human has changed judiasim and christianity. You see, the Bible and the torah has been changed alot of times during the history and this fact is proven by scientists and this is exactly what the quran teaches. 

        For instance, the christmas holyday is in reality a roman holyday. And this is only one example out of thousands. I would ask you to google this and while you are at this, google what happened on friday 13.On the other hand the quran has never been changed which is proven as well.This is why God had to sent another religion.  

        1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          Of course it was changed, it is the chronicle of the nation of Yisrael/Judea. If anyone was influenced by it then that’s nice but that doesn’t change our own book.

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          God did not send no other religion it was written by man and forced on to people.
           
          The Quran commands Muslims to fight all unbelievers:
          Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. S. 9:29
          What prophet killed thousands and ordered millions to be killed.. I thought they where of love peace and forgivness like JESUS the one and only…
          False prophets will come, these false teachers are bald and arrogant and show no respect, they will force you to leave what you believe, away from the one and ONLY…I am the first and the last, no other shall come after me, untill I come again….

          You do your research from google , no wonder why you will always be in denial . GOOGLE yeh good work bro…

        3. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          Al-adha is a Jewish holiday is it not? and God never sent ANY religion they are ALL plagiarized from previous stories. Take the virgin birth for example:
          It was told more than 20 times for many religions before:

          Roman/Greek: Demeter and Persephone, Rhea and Zeus, ApolloIn Egypt, virgin mother Isis begat HorusIn Phrygia, Attis was born of the virgin Nama.A nymph bathing in a river in China is touched by a lotus plant, and the divine Fohi is born.In Siam, a wandering sunbeam caresses a girl in her teens, and the great and wonderful deliverer, Codom, is born.In the life of Buddha we read that he descended on his mother Maya, “in likeness as the heavenly queen, and entered her womb,” and was born from her right side, to save the world.”In Greece, the young god Apollo visits a fair maid of Athens, and a Plato is ushered into the world.From Greece and the Middle East comes the virgin birth of Adonis, who was resurrected after being killed by a wild boar. Adonis was revered by the Phoenicians as a dying-and-rising god, and Athenians held Adonia, a yearly festival representing his death and resurrection, in midsummer.From the Americas comes a remarkable story of the god-man Quetzalcoatl told by the Aztecs and Mayans. Not only did he have a virgin birth, but he was associated with the planet Venus, the morning star, as was Jesus. In addition, the religion built around him used the cross as a symbolic representation. Like the myths around Jesus, Quetzalcoatl said he would return to claim his earthly kingdom.Mithra was a Persian god who was also a virgin birth, but was more than just a tribal god. Mithra was born in a cave and had twelve companions. Mithra’s birthday was also on December 25th. Both religions celebrate the resurrection at Easter. Much of what we know about Mithracism today came from the Christians. The prophet Zoroaster was also born of a virgin.Perseus and Hercules all experienced virgin births after being fathered by yet other gods. Horus, Mithra, Dionysus and Krishna were all born on December 25th., their births were announced by “stars”, attended by ‘wise men’, involved humble birth locations, entailed the massacre of innocents and fleeing for safety from enemies, and so on and on.A Roman savior Quirrnus was born of a virgin.In Tibet, Indra was born of a virgin. He ascended into heaven after death.In India, the god Krishna was born of the virgin Devaki.Virgin births were claimed for many Egyptian pharaohs, Greek emperors and for Alexander the Great of Greece.

          So what makes your virgin birth any different?????????????? just because it was mentioned in the qoran?
          “They must find it difficult…Those who have taken authority as the truth,rather than truth as the authority.”

        4. Mazen_M Avatar
          Mazen_M

           What you said above about the Koran explaining the big bang is not true. The big bang is much bigger than you think it is. It’s not an explosion that we humans can comprehend. So that description in the Koran is not the big bang. It might be something else, but it’s always so easy to go back and say “yes that’s what it means”.

        5. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Actually Mahdi, among others, sounds like my grandmother (peace be upon her) who used to say ‘I wouldn’t believe it if you proved it to me’ … when we would try to tell her about something new. Of course we found that hilarious … and loved her anyway.
          You can’t argue with a mind like that … it’s hard beliefs are as if set in stone … it can’t absorb anything more than it had pumped into it, but can’t lose anything to make space for the new.
          Of course, if Mahdi rolls around in the surf of YaLiban a while, we could wear the bone-head down. 🙂

          1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
            Mahdi Kenaani

            nice little useless story….

            But of course I think that about you too…

      2. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
        Mahdi Kenaani

        No all 3 religions cant be right at the same time because human has changed judiasim and christianity. You see, the Bible and the torah has been changed alot of times during the history and this fact is proven by scientists and this is exactly what the quran teaches. 

        For instance, the christmas holyday is in reality a roman holyday. And this is only one example out of thousands. I would ask you to google this and while you are at this, google what happened on friday 13.On the other hand the quran has never been changed which is proven as well.This is why God had to sent another religion.  

    3. master09 Avatar
      master09

      Yeh full of denial so much hate in the heart . We talk about LOVE when we speak to GOD….. 
      Fire in the belly

  2. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
    Mahdi Kenaani

    God i cant stand these disgusting wahabis!!!!!

    1. MeYosemite Avatar
      MeYosemite

      There is no one better than the other. All religious fanatisms are to go.

      1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
        Mahdi Kenaani

        these wahabis are fanatic but not religious

    2. Rafic Avatar

      Since all 3 religions belong to God that means all 3 are correct then why everybody thinks their’s is most correct and kill in the name of all mighty or call each other Kafer or infidel since all 3 worship the same God unless some religions think their God is the most true one, any explanation Mr. Kenaani?

      1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
        Mahdi Kenaani

        No all 3 religions cant be right at the same time because human has changed judiasim and christianity. You see, the Bible and the torah has been changed alot of times during the history and this fact is proven by scientists and this is exactly what the quran teaches. 

        For instance, the christmas holyday is in reality a roman holyday. And this is only one example out of thousands. I would ask you to google this and while you are at this, google what happened on friday 13.On the other hand the quran has never been changed which is proven as well.This is why God had to sent another religion.  

        1. Of course it was changed, it is the chronicle of the nation of Yisrael/Judea. If anyone was influenced by it then that’s nice but that doesn’t change our own book.

        2. master09 Avatar
          master09

          God did not send no other religion it was written by man and forced on to people.
           
          The Quran commands Muslims to fight all unbelievers:
          Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. S. 9:29

        3. Al-adha is a Jewish holiday is it not? and God never sent ANY religion they are ALL plagiarized from previous stories. Take the virgin birth for example:
          It was told more than 20 times for many religions before:

          Roman/Greek: Demeter and Persephone, Rhea and Zeus, ApolloIn Egypt, virgin mother Isis begat HorusIn Phrygia, Attis was born of the virgin Nama.A nymph bathing in a river in China is touched by a lotus plant, and the divine Fohi is born.In Siam, a wandering sunbeam caresses a girl in her teens, and the great and wonderful deliverer, Codom, is born.In the life of Buddha we read that he descended on his mother Maya, “in likeness as the heavenly queen, and entered her womb,” and was born from her right side, to save the world.”In Greece, the young god Apollo visits a fair maid of Athens, and a Plato is ushered into the world.From Greece and the Middle East comes the virgin birth of Adonis, who was resurrected after being killed by a wild boar. Adonis was revered by the Phoenicians as a dying-and-rising god, and Athenians held Adonia, a yearly festival representing his death and resurrection, in midsummer.From the Americas comes a remarkable story of the god-man Quetzalcoatl told by the Aztecs and Mayans. Not only did he have a virgin birth, but he was associated with the planet Venus, the morning star, as was Jesus. In addition, the religion built around him used the cross as a symbolic representation. Like the myths around Jesus, Quetzalcoatl said he would return to claim his earthly kingdom.Mithra was a Persian god who was also a virgin birth, but was more than just a tribal god. Mithra was born in a cave and had twelve companions. Mithra’s birthday was also on December 25th. Both religions celebrate the resurrection at Easter. Much of what we know about Mithracism today came from the Christians. The prophet Zoroaster was also born of a virgin.Perseus and Hercules all experienced virgin births after being fathered by yet other gods. Horus, Mithra, Dionysus and Krishna were all born on December 25th., their births were announced by “stars”, attended by ‘wise men’, involved humble birth locations, entailed the massacre of innocents and fleeing for safety from enemies, and so on and on.A Roman savior Quirrnus was born of a virgin.In Tibet, Indra was born of a virgin. He ascended into heaven after death.In India, the god Krishna was born of the virgin Devaki.Virgin births were claimed for many Egyptian pharaohs, Greek emperors and for Alexander the Great of Greece.

          So what makes your virgin birth any different?????????????? just because it was mentioned in the qoran?
          “They must find it difficult…Those who have taken authority as the truth,rather than truth as the authority.”

        4. Mazen_M Avatar
          Mazen_M

           What you said above about the Koran explaining the big bang is not true. The big bang is much bigger than you think it is. It’s not an explosion that we humans can comprehend. So that description in the Koran is not the big bang. It might be something else, but it’s always so easy to go back and say “yes that’s what it means”.

        5. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Actually Mahdi, among others, sounds like my grandmother (peace be upon her) who used to say ‘I wouldn’t believe it if you proved it to me’ … when we would try to tell her about something new. Of course we found that hilarious … and loved her anyway.
          You can’t argue with a mind like that … it’s hard beliefs are as if set in stone … it can’t absorb anything more than it had pumped into it, but can’t lose anything to make space for the new.
          Of course, if Mahdi rolls around in the surf of YaLiban a while, we could wear the bone-head down. 🙂

          1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
            Mahdi Kenaani

            nice little useless story….

    3. master09 Avatar
      master09

      Yeh full of denial so much hate in the heart . We talk about LOVE when we speak to GOD….. 
      Fire in the belly

  3. Rafic Avatar

    The problem with all religions is that they all think that their religion is the best without studying any other religion, people get brain washed since childhood only learning their religion going maybe to a religious school, associating with like wise children, listening in their homes from their parents against other religions short comings or bigotry so they are wired up against other religions, but if those students get higher education then they can start thinking outside the box, if God created religions that were not perfect why then God could not come up with a perfect religion so all his people can follow on this Earth, so there are more and more questions to this dilemma then answers but if you can think on your own then you can resolve some of the issues in your head and stop hating other religions.I saw an Islamist guy in Egypt on Aljazeera chanell saying the reason we should adopt Sharia Law is because Islam is our religion and the society is a product of Islam therefore we should have Sharia law, if the West have followed the same logic they would have stayed farmers and vikings, but see who is the inventors of most technologies it is endless man, please religious fanatics wake up God never told anybody your religion is better then somebody else’s.

    1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
      Mahdi Kenaani

      If you are refering to islam by saying:

      “without studying any other religion”

      Wrong!!! A big part of Islam is to increase your knowledge in every possible field including religion so that people cant see which religion is wrong! 

      “if God created religions that were not perfect” 

      God didnt create all religions such as buddism! he only created “abrahamic religions” and the large number of those kind is due to PEOPLE changed the original religion and God had to sent a new prophet! How about using your own advice and start to study islam! you obviously dont know anything about islam.

       “if the West have followed the same logic they would have stayed farmers and vikings, but see who is the inventors of most technologies it is endless man”

      Oh please, why do people always have to point out the technological progress of the west??? as there were nothing else to focus on in this world.

      Beside who ever said that the reason to the western progress is freedom?? Once again i would ask you to go learn history just as you ask people to do! 

      The history, however, tells us that the only reason why the western world is that much ahead is that they opressed and are still opressing the whole world!!!!!

      1. Rafic Avatar

        My friend if you want to live in denial that is fine with me . men always create things including religion , what religions we had before Judaism , Christianity and Islam, mostly pagans , worshipers of Sun , wind earth and fire amongst other religions my simple formula about 3 religions created in Middle East is this you do not have to believe me or anybody else and I am not picking on any religion because I do not believe in it it is the greatest dividers. We as human beings live on this EARTH as we are over 1 million years ago if not longer but when Abraham found the Monolithic God 1800 BC so the God we have known is only 3800 years old old my question is if we are sons of God did we have absentee father God for 99600 years, this is my million $ question that I have problems with , logical educated answer to this question, I am not trying to insult any body here please understand but having science background I can not only believe in things on purely faith, I need to substantiate things with proof.By the way 90% of our DNA comes from especially gorillas and chimps.Have you heard about Evolution you might want to research it or look on line for Zeitgeist.

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          No scientifical proof will ever contradict islam, thats for sure…

        2. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          “No scientifical proof will ever contradict islam, thats for sure…” – Mahdi Kenaaani
          Actually, the archaeological evidence and prior written evidence contradicts many historical elements in the Koran. And Scientifical isn’t a word.

        3. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          1800 AD???? That’s 300 years ago!

        4. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          we believe prophet Adam [alayhi al salaam] was muslim and followed the basis of ibrahimic faiths…that Allah[ swt] is the only God rather the then sun or snakes or dogs or cats or cows or elephants etc etc…

        5. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          @antar2011:disqus How can Adam be a prophet since he had no audience. Secondly, how can he follow Ibrahim when the latter was not even born yet? You see my problem with you is not the existence of God… It is the bullshit you believe in… Did you ever wonder why the word believe has a “lie” in its midst? I do not believe that there is a God but I know there is a God but I also know science and what it teaches me to be true and what is true does not correlate with a man made book back in the 600AD or worse judaic books made of plagiarized myths from a more ancient text of Babylon and old Pharaonic Egypt. 

        6. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          islam exist since Adam and Eve.

          islam is to submit your will to The Creator, Allah….. its message [in the ibrahimic faiths] exists a very long time ago. way before the pagans and the sun worshippers…

          how are you sure humans lived on earth that long?
          of course through science…

          oh yes that science that uses probably, likely, perhaps, approximately etc….it does nto mean it is correct…..

          in islam what you wrote there with figures is gibberish….

          btw Prophet Ibraheem alayhi al salaam did not ‘find’ the monothetic faith…. it existed since prophet Adam alayhi al salaam….i.e since the begining of humanity.

        7. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          “Islam exist since Adam and Eve”  antar2011. No, no it didn’t. We have it well documented that Islam began in the 7th century AD. 

        8. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          “we believe prophet Adam [alayhi al salaam] was muslim and followed the basis of ibrahimic faiths…that Allah[ swt] is the only God rather the then sun or snakes or dogs or cats or cows or elephants etc etc…” antar 2011 Again, he can’t have been Muslim since all of Islam’s own evidence proves that the religion began in the 7th century AD. Shall  start claiming that the Dinosaurs were Mormon???

      2. master09 Avatar
        master09

        What world of denial do you live in, tell me where you get this crap you talk about. Who is opressing who. lol Wow you did make me lol……..good work know come out of this cave you live in. West opressing the world LOOOOOOOLL…… are you Wahibis or zionesti bro or poop the grande…….OR are you fanatic , wahibis. Zionistiiii poop…
        False prophets will come, these false teachers are bald and arrogant and show no respect, they will force you to leave what you believe, away from the one and ONLY…I am the first and the last, no other shall come after me, untill I come again…

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          What???? Dont you think I am right?????????? What about slavery???? What about that fact that the West is supporting the dictators of the ME???? Wont you classify these thing as oppression?????? Am I still the one who is living in a world of denial?????? This is only TWO examples out of ONE MILLION!!!Go educate yourself!!!!!!

        2. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          What’s “Zionisti” and what does it have to do with religion???

      3. Mazen_M Avatar
        Mazen_M

         You said below that “no scientific proof will ever contradict Islam”. Can you give some examples?

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          When describing the creation of the “heavens and the earth,” the Qur’an does not discount the theory of a “Big Bang” explosion at the start of it all. In fact, the Qur’an says that “the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder” (21:30). Following this big explosion, Allah “turned to the sky, and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: ‘Come together, willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We come (together) in willing obedience’” (41:11). Thus the elements and what was to become the planets and stars began to cool, come together, and form into shape, following the natural laws that Allah established in the universe.

          as i said before the quran theaches its followers to increase their knowlegde. Do you think a religion would do that if there was something out there which would contradict Islam? I highly doubt.

        2. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          i will quote you what ‘some scientists’ said about the Quran and the final Prophet’s ahadiths:

          mind you all these scientists are non muslims.

          1- Dr. Gerald C. Goeringer is Course Director and Associate Professor of Medical Embryology at the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, USA.

          During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Goeringer stated the following in the presentation of his research paper:“In a relatively few ayahs (Quranic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development, such as classification, terminology, and description, existed previously. In most, if not all, instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature.”  

          2-Dr. T. V. N. Persaud is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 180 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. Professor Persaud has included some Quranic verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad in some of his books – and presented these verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad at several conferences.

          When he was asked about the scientific miracles in the Quran which he has researched, he stated the following:“…Muhammad .. could not read, didn’t know to write. – You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements – amazingly accurate about scientific nature. [so] many accuracies – I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements.”

          3-Dr. E. Marshall Johnson is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. There, for 22 years he was Professor of Anatomy, the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, and the Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute. He was also the President of the Teratology Society. He has authored more than 200 publications. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam,

          Saudi Arabia, Professor Johnson said in the presentation of his research paper: [Summary] “The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.”

          Also he said: “As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”

          4- Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson is the Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA. Formerly, he was Professor of Ob-Gyn and the Chairman of the Department of Ob-Gyn at the University of Tennessee, Memphis, Tennessee, USA. He was also the President of the American Fertility Society. He has received many awards, including the Association of Professors of Obstetrics and Gynecology Public Recognition Award in 1992.

          Professor Simpson studied the following two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad:

          [In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days…]

          [If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones….]

          He studied these two sayings of the Prophet Muhammad extensively, noting that the first forty days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryo-genesis. He was particularly impressed by the absolute precision and accuracy of those sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him). Then, during one conference, he gave the following opinion:

          “It follows, I think, that not only there is no conflict between genetics and religion but, in fact, religion can guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches, that there exist statements in the Quran shown centuries later to be valid, which support knowledge in the Quran having been derived from God.”

          there are more and more but this is to suffice now…

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Geezz … you had to ask. 😉  Considering the number of bodies some people took apart at times in history, especially since there was a glut of ‘enemy’ bodies to work on, even an uneducated warrior might have been able to make some observations. Good thing he had a scribe running around after him jotting notes down to compile later in a Koran so that Persaud could say; ‘Wow .. he must have known something .. it must be divine’.
          Consider too that women’s bodies seem to be a favorite …

        4. deptyGod Avatar
          deptyGod

          yu no nothin mr

      4. master09 Avatar
        master09

        Dude the Arabs inslave their own people, Iran, Saudi and most others, tell me what rites does a women have in the Arab world, yeh ofcourse your going to tell me they have more rites than men.. lol Islam was the biggest slave trade in history look at the facts in history, oh oh I forget you guys deny all that muslims did I forget. As a muslim once said you can not argue with a muslim because the quran says not to ????? the book and muhammeds words, If it says the sky is black you must believe…. DO NOT ?? .

         If the dictators are true muslims would they not stand against the west. Wake up 2 of a million. Good work dude. I asked you once have you read the Bible, what did you do ignore the ??? How do you know about other things when you ignore them.. talk about educating yourself. denial is what you guys are good at…..the quran is full of contradiction, but I do not xpect you to agree.If you want a list ask and I will show you hundreds. 

         This, however, a Muslim cannot hold to since Islam teaches that the rituals of the pagan Meccan Arabs that Muhammad took over into Islam, were actually instituted by Abraham and Ishmael. So the inhabitants of Mecca already had had their first messengers. How does that work.

        YES YES I educate myself every day but the big differance between you and me is this. I read all the books yes all the books and you only the one, so how can you have an open mind, so yes I will keep EDUCATING MYSELF DON,T NEED YOU TO PUSH  ME TO THAT…?????….?????…??????   

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          If you really are educating yourself why dont you know that all the regimes in the ME are installed by the West??????????

          Abraham and Ismael were both prophets just like muhammad with the same message to the people!

          1. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Dude where did I say they are not. Every 5 year old knows that the west runs the leaders in the ME, just like Iran runs Lebanon and Syria and influence others.rite, oh that is not the same rite ,the cancer is within but Arabs like you will always blame the world for their problems ……The Arabs have more money than they know what to do with but the people have no education, health or freedom, .Look at S America who is getting money from Iran , Russia to do what they want.
            But you fail to aswer my ????? once again. The others I know you can not answer because the book says not to ????? anything just be blind and read and listen and do….thats OK.    But if these arab leaders are true muslims and care for the people would they not stand UP to the west. No the pockets filled is more important than to inslave their own people because the west tells them too….Tell me something I do not know.. Keep ignoring the other ???? . Full stop end of conversation………..Stay in denial and pick the subjects you want to talk about and ignore the other 99%..lol  But I guese when you are made to sit in a room and taught to hate everything around you ,well for sure people will be blind, deaf and stupid….

            False prophets will come, these false teachers are bald and arrogant and show no respect, they will force you to leave what you believe, away from the one and ONLY…I am the first and the last, no other shall come after me, untill I come again….

            By the way a great xplanation about the big bang theory, you even tripped over your own feet in that one.lol

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Right Mahdi … sure, the USA put the kings and dictators and their tribes into those countries.
          And after all the prophets prophecied, people have been trying to make the prophecies come true ever since. Same goes for some of the theorists … but spreading the stupidity doesn’t make any of it true.

        3. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          master09….

          you should ask what arab women CANT do.

          from where i look at it, they can do anything…..except in saudi …drive…even that is wavered at the moment.

          There is a difference between the way muslims/muslim countries treat women and what islam says how to treat women…

          Women are NOT mistreated in Islam..Islam gives both of women and men their unique individual rights..

          The Qur’an states that all humans are equal [not identical], but also in [Quran4:34] “Men are the protectors and maintainers of women”…… because God has given the one more (strength) than the other and because they support them from their means.

          Neither the Quran nor Hadith mention women have to be housewives only….

          Some advantages of Women over men are the following

          – Women have the right to drive, own business, have their own property and money.

          -married women can keep all the money they have earned/earning and not spend a cent on the family…it is the man’s job to do so.

          – mothers are placed in a high position in islam….

          – Women have the right to choose if they want to marry the guy or not. if they were forced to marry a particular guy, they are going against islam.

      5. Hannibal Avatar
        Hannibal

        Buddhism makes more sense than your religion Mahdi… If you try to understand them you will see that  their God has a little of Him in every one of us which makes it impossible to kill a human being which your Kuran advocates… Now I am wearing my full metal jacket and my helmet… haha

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          I actually tried to understand buddhism and geuss what!! It is a religion witout a GOD, and since you didnt know this fact we can conclude that I understand and you dont

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Actually Mahdi, it is a philosophy … OF LIFE ! Not a religion, per se.
          And I can’t recall anyone killing people because they didn’t light a prayer candle.

        3. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          so you think a religion that says Bhudda [a human being] is like God [how can someone be like God and do everything a human being does including deficate] is better then a religion that says Gos is One and the incomparable and that our purpose in life is to worship the One who Created us?

          and you think bhuddists are so peace and loving you obviously haven’t read about the persecution of muslims by Bhuddist in Burma….

          and believe it or not for religious reasons….

          taken from wiki…….

          Buddhist persecution of Muslims arose from religious reasons, and occurred during the reign of King Bayinnaung, 1550-1589 AD. After conquering Bago in 1559, the Buddhist King prohibited the practice of halal, specifically, killing food animals in the name of God. He was religiously intolerant, forcing some of his subjects to listen to Buddhist sermons possibly converting by force. He also disallowed the Eid al-Adha, religious sacrifice of cattle. Halal food was also forbidden by King Alaungpaya in the 18th century.

          now compare that to when Muslims began their dawah in Malaysia…..Big difference that you arrogantly ignore.

          but heyyyyyyyy you know everything about islam and the muslims….NOT.

        4. master09 Avatar
          master09

          But wait theres more.
          The root of this hatred was:[19][22]
          Earlier Muslim persecution of Buddhists and Hindus during the Mughal wars of conquest, where many Buddhists and Hindus were forcibly converted. Taken from WIKI. lol 

      6. Hannibal Avatar
        Hannibal

        The West? Who? Is Russians killing Chechnyians West? It cannot be more eastern than that? Switzerland and Germany? They employ Moslems and Turks… The root of your problems in the ME comes from within… Despot regimes and Kings and dictators… BTW All Moslems. and Money was never a problem as you know… The worm is gnawing from within NOT from the WEST. You are oppressing your own. Therefore the ARAB SPRING!

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          these regimes are installed by the west and NOT by the muslims therfore the ARAB SPRING!

        2. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          So easy to blame others for our own mistakes… Nobody install nobody… but Iran did install Hezbollah RIGHT?

        3. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          yes iran did install hezbullah and thanks god they did!

        4. mahdi, dont thank god for hizballah, god has nothing to do with any world govenment or any military entity, the blood shed and evil excercised by world powers and power brokers only leads to a conection with satan and not of a loving god,,, the results are loud and clear, there is nothing godly about hizbollah,israel,america,russia and the rest of the suspects.

      7. Hannibal Avatar
        Hannibal

        He said to it and to the earth: ‘Come together, willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We come (together) in willing obedience’” (41:11).The Earth speaks?

      8. Hannibal Avatar
        Hannibal

        Buddhism has a God… It is just not like your definition of an old man sitting on a throne… It is for them universal consciousness unlike yours a dictator of some sort… 

    2. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
      Mahdi Kenaani

      If you are refering to islam by saying:

      “without studying any other religion”

      Wrong!!! A big part of Islam is to increase your knowledge in every possible field including religion so that people cant see which religion is wrong! 

      “if God created religions that were not perfect” 

      God didnt create all religions such as buddism! he only created “abrahamic religions” and the large number of those kind is due to PEOPLE changed the original religion and God had to sent a new prophet! How about using your own advice and start to study islam! you obviously dont know anything about islam.

       “if the West have followed the same logic they would have stayed farmers and vikings, but see who is the inventors of most technologies it is endless man”

      Oh please, why do people always have to point out the technological progress of the west??? as there were nothing else to focus on in this world.

      Beside who ever said that the reason to the western progress is freedom?? Once again i would ask you to go learn history just as you ask people to do! 

      The history, however, tells us that the only reason why the western world is that much ahead is that they opressed and are still opressing the whole world!!!!!

    3. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
      Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

      I think that the main problem with the very religious is that so many people are arrogant enough to think they know what G-d wants from them.

      1. master09 Avatar
        master09

        Adam it,s a site joke. By dab on this site…

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Yup .. Yaba Dabba Doo … 🙂

        2. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          if the maghuls have slaughtered the muslims man how can they slaughter in the name of muslims?…..

          from wiki itself master09…..search for muslim conquest in subcontinent india…you will learn something different from what the small quote you took off wiki.

      2. Hannibal Avatar
        Hannibal

        amazing that Adam is still afraid of writing the word God… The root of the problem: Judaism begot Christianity, Christianity begot Islam… God help us all. 

        1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          I’m not religious but I show some respect for traditions. 

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          (below) Adam quotes from ‘Fiddler On The Roof’. – Tradition ……. catchy tune …. 😉

    4. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
      Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

      I think that the main problem with the very religious is that so many people are arrogant enough to think they know what G-d wants from them.

    5. antar2011 Avatar
      antar2011

      we cannot have shariah law planted simply because there is no khilafah…the islamist….muslim…guy you saw is living in la la land.

      1. Mazen_M Avatar
        Mazen_M

         Come on man! Please don’t try to convince me that just because the Koran mentioned an explosion in the sky and talked about embryogenesis, that it means everything scientists discover like the big bang and human development is already mentioned in the Koran! What about Cancer? Is it mentioned? How is it cured? What about the theory of relativity?

        1. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          no i won’t try to convince you because not everything scientists discover is already mentioned in the Quran.

          not one muslim claims that.

  4. Rafic Avatar

    The problem with all religions is that they all think that their religion is the best without studying any other religion, people get brain washed since childhood only learning their religion going maybe to a religious school, associating with like wise children, listening in their homes from their parents against other religions short comings or bigotry so they are wired up against other religions, but if those students get higher education then they can start thinking outside the box, if God created religions that were not perfect why then God could not come up with a perfect religion so all his people can follow on this Earth, so there are more and more questions to this dilemma then answers but if you can think on your own then you can resolve some of the issues in your head and stop hating other religions.I saw an Islamist guy in Egypt on Aljazeera chanell saying the reason we should adopt Sharia Law is because Islam is our religion and the society is a product of Islam therefore we should have Sharia law, if the West have followed the same logic they would have stayed farmers and vikings, but see who is the inventors of most technologies it is endless man, please religious fanatics wake up God never told anybody your religion is better then somebody else’s.

    1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
      Mahdi Kenaani

      If you are refering to islam by saying:

      “without studying any other religion”

      Wrong!!! A big part of Islam is to increase your knowledge in every possible field including religion so that people cant see which religion is wrong! 

      “if God created religions that were not perfect” 

      God didnt create all religions such as buddism! he only created “abrahamic religions” and the large number of those kind is due to PEOPLE changed the original religion and God had to sent a new prophet! How about using your own advice and start to study islam! you obviously dont know anything about islam.

       “if the West have followed the same logic they would have stayed farmers and vikings, but see who is the inventors of most technologies it is endless man”

      Oh please, why do people always have to point out the technological progress of the west??? as there were nothing else to focus on in this world.

      Beside who ever said that the reason to the western progress is freedom?? Once again i would ask you to go learn history just as you ask people to do! 

      The history, however, tells us that the only reason why the western world is that much ahead is that they opressed and are still opressing the whole world!!!!!

      1. Rafic Avatar

        My friend if you want to live in denial that is fine with me . men always create things including religion , what religions we had before Judaism , Christianity and Islam, mostly pagans , worshipers of Sun , wind earth and fire amongst other religions my simple formula about 3 religions created in Middle East is this you do not have to believe me or anybody else and I am not picking on any religion because I do not believe in it it is the greatest dividers. We as human beings live on this EARTH as we are over 1 million years ago if not longer but when Abraham found the Monolithic God 1800 AD so the God we have known is only 3800 years old old my question is if we are sons of God did we have absentee father God for 99600 years, this is my million $ question that I have problems with , logical educated answer to this question, I am not trying to insult any body here please understand but having science background I can not only believe in things on purely faith, I need to substantiate things with proof.By the way 90% of our DNA comes from especially gorillas and chimps.Have you heard about Evolution you might want to research it or look on line for Zeitgeist.

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          No scientifical proof will ever contradict islam, thats for sure…

        2. “No scientifical proof will ever contradict islam, thats for sure…” – Mahdi Kenaaani
          Actually, the archaeological evidence and prior written evidence contradicts many historical elements in the Koran. And Scientifical isn’t a word.

        3. 1800 AD???? That’s 300 years ago!

        4. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          we believe prophet Adam [alayhi al salaam] was muslim and followed the basis of ibrahimic faiths…that Allah[ swt] is the only God rather the then sun or snakes or dogs or cats or cows or elephants etc etc…

        5. @antar2011:disqus How can Adam be a prophet since he had no audience. Secondly, how can he follow Ibrahim when the latter was not even born yet? You see my problem with you is not the existence of God… It is the bullshit you believe in… Did you ever wonder why the word believe has a “lie” in its midst? I do not believe that there is a God but I know there is a God but I also know science and what it teaches me to be true and what is true does not correlate with a man made book back in the 600AD or worse judaic books made of plagiarized myths from a more ancient text of Babylon and old Pharaonic Egypt. 

        6. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          islam exist since Adam and Eve.

          islam is to submit your will to The Creator, Allah….. its message [in the ibrahimic faiths] exists a very long time ago. way before the pagans and the sun worshippers…

          how are you sure humans lived on earth that long?
          of course through science…

          oh yes that science that uses probably, likely, perhaps, approximately etc….it does nto mean it is correct…..

          in islam what you wrote there with figures is gibberish….

          btw Prophet Ibraheem alayhi al salaam did not ‘find’ the monothetic faith…. it existed since prophet Adam alayhi al salaam….i.e since the begining of humanity.

        7. “Islam exist since Adam and Eve”  antar2011. No, no it didn’t. We have it well documented that Islam began in the 7th century AD. 

        8. “we believe prophet Adam [alayhi al salaam] was muslim and followed the basis of ibrahimic faiths…that Allah[ swt] is the only God rather the then sun or snakes or dogs or cats or cows or elephants etc etc…” antar 2011 Again, he can’t have been Muslim since all of Islam’s own evidence proves that the religion began in the 7th century AD. Shall  start claiming that the Dinosaurs were Mormon???

      2. master09 Avatar
        master09

        What world of denial do you live in, tell me where you get this crap you talk about. Who is opressing who. lol Wow you did make me lol……..good work know come out of this cave you live in. West opressing the world LOOOOOOOLL……

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          What???? Dont you think I am right?????????? What about slavery???? What about that fact that the West is supporting the dictators of the ME???? Wont you classify these thing as oppression?????? Am I still the one who is living in a world of denial?????? This is only TWO examples out of ONE MILLION!!!Go educate yourself!!!!!!

        2. What’s “Zionisti” and what does it have to do with religion???

      3. Mazen_M Avatar
        Mazen_M

         You said below that “no scientific proof will ever contradict Islam”. Can you give some examples?

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          When describing the creation of the “heavens and the earth,” the Qur’an does not discount the theory of a “Big Bang” explosion at the start of it all. In fact, the Qur’an says that “the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder” (21:30). Following this big explosion, Allah “turned to the sky, and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: ‘Come together, willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We come (together) in willing obedience’” (41:11). Thus the elements and what was to become the planets and stars began to cool, come together, and form into shape, following the natural laws that Allah established in the universe.

          as i said before the quran theaches its followers to increase their knowlegde. Do you think a religion would do that if there was something out there which would contradict Islam? I highly doubt.

        2. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          i will quote you what ‘some scientists’ said about the Quran and the messages within it:

          mind you all these scientists are non muslims.

          1- Dr. Gerald C. Goeringer is Course Director and Associate Professor of Medical Embryology at the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, USA.
          During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Goeringer stated the following in the presentation of his research paper:“In a relatively few ayahs (Quranic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development, such as classification, terminology, and description, existed previously. In most, if not all, instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature.”  

          2-Dr. T. V. N. Persaud is Professor of Anatomy, Professor of Pediatrics and Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 180 scientific papers. In 1991, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. Professor Persaud has included some Quranic verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad in some of his books – and presented these verses and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad at several conferences.
          When he was asked about the scientific miracles in the Quran which he has researched, he stated the following:“…Muhammad .. could not read, didn’t know to write. – You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements – amazingly accurate about scientific nature. [so] many accuracies – I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which led him to these statements.”

          3-Dr. E. Marshall Johnson is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. There, for 22 years he was Professor of Anatomy, the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, and the Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute. He was also the President of the Teratology Society. He has authored more than 200 publications. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Johnson said in the presentation of his research paper: [Summary] “The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.” Also he said: “As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”

          there are more and more but this is to suffice now.

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Geezz … you had to ask. 😉  Considering the number of bodies some people took apart at times in history, especially since there was a glut of ‘enemy’ bodies to work on, even an uneducated warrior might have been able to make some observations. Good thing he had a scribe running around after him jotting notes down to compile later in a Koran so that Persaud could say; ‘Wow .. he must have known something .. it must be divine’.
          Consider too that women’s bodies seem to be a favorite …

        4. deptyGod Avatar
          deptyGod

          yu no nothin mr

      4. master09 Avatar
        master09

        Dude the Arabs inslave their own people, Iran, Saudi and most others, tell me what rites does a women have in the Arab world, yeh ofcourse your going to tell me they have more rites than men.. lol Islam was the biggest slave trade in history look at the facts in history, oh oh I forget you guys deny all that muslims did I forget. As a muslim once said you can not argue with a muslim because the quran says not to ????? the book and muhammeds words, If it says the sky is black you must believe…. DO NOT ?? .

         If the dictators are true muslims would they not stand against the west. Wake up 2 of a million. Good work dude. I asked you once have you read the Bible, what did you do ignore the ??? How do you know about other things when you ignore them.. talk about educating yourself. denial is what you guys are good at…..the quran is full of contradiction, but I do not xpect you to agree.If you want a list ask and I will show you hundreds. 

         This, however, a Muslim cannot hold to since Islam teaches that the rituals of the pagan Meccan Arabs that Muhammad took over into Islam, were actually instituted by Abraham and Ishmael. So the inhabitants of Mecca already had had their first messengers. How does that work.

        YES YES I educate myself every day but the big differance between you and me is this. I read all the books yes all the books and you only the one, so how can you have an open mind, so yes I will keep EDUCATING MYSELF DON,T NEED YOU TO PUSH  ME TO THAT…?????….?????…??????   

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          If you really are educating yourself why dont you know that all the regimes in the ME is installed by the West??????????

          Abraham and Ismael were both prophets just like muhammad with the same message to the people!

          1. master09 Avatar
            master09

            Dude where did I say they are not. Every 5 year old knows that the west runs the leaders in the ME, just like Iran runs Lebanon. But you fail to aswer my ????? once again. The others I know you can not answer because the book says not to ????? anything just be blind and read and listen and do….thats OK.    But if these arab leaders are true muslims and care for the people would they not stand UP to the west. No the pockets filled is more important than to inslave their own people because the west tells them too….Tell me something I do not know.. Keep ignoring the other ???? . Full stop end of conversation………..Stay in denial and pick the subjects you want to talk about and ignore the other 99%..lol     

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Right Mahdi … sure, the USA put the kings and dictators and their tribes into those countries.
          And after all the prophets prophecied, people have been trying to make the prophecies come true ever since. Same goes for some of the theorists … but spreading the stupidity doesn’t make any of it true.

        3. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          master09….

          you should ask what arab women CANT do.

          from where i look at it, they can do anything…..except in saudi …drive…even that is wavered at the moment.

      5. Buddhism makes more sense than your religion Mahdi… If you try to understand them you will see that  their God has a little of Him in every one of us which makes it impossible to kill a human being which your Kuran advocates… Now I am wearing my full metal jacket and my helmet… haha

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          I actually tried to understand buddhism and geuss what!! It is a religion witout a GOD, and since you didnt know this fact we can conclude that I understand and you dont

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Actually Mahdi, it is a philosophy … OF LIFE !

        3. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          so you think a religion that says God is a human being that does everything a human being does including deficate is better then a religion that says Gos is One and the incomparable and that our purpose in life is to worship the One who Created us?

        4. master09 Avatar
          master09

          But wait theres more.
          The root of this hatred was:[19][22]
          Earlier Muslim persecution of Buddhists and Hindus during the Mughal wars of conquest, where many Buddhists and Hindus were forcibly converted. Taken from WIKI. lol 

      6. The West? Who? Is Russians killing Chechnyians West? It cannot be more eastern than that? Switzerland and Germany? They employ Moslems and Turks… The root of your problems in the ME comes from within… Despot regimes and Kings and dictators… BTW All Moslems. and Money was never a problem as you know… The worm is gnawing from within NOT from the WEST. You are oppressing your own. Therefore the ARAB SPRING!

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          these regimes are installed by the west and NOT by the muslims therfore the ARAB SPRING!

        2. So easy to blame others for our own mistakes… Nobody install nobody… but Iran did install Hezbollah RIGHT?

        3. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          yes iran did install hezbullah and thanks god they did!

        4. mahdi, dont thank god for hizballah, god has nothing to do with any world govenment or any military entity, the blood shed and evil excercised by world powers and power brokers only leads to a conection with satan and not of a loving god,,, the results are loud and clear, there is nothing godly about hizbollah,israel,america,russia and the rest of the suspects.

      7. He said to it and to the earth: ‘Come together, willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We come (together) in willing obedience’” (41:11).The Earth speaks?

      8. Buddhism has a God… It is just not like your definition of an old man sitting on a throne… It is for them universal consciousness unlike yours a dictator of some sort… 

    2. I think that the main problem with the very religious is that so many people are arrogant enough to think they know what G-d wants from them.

      1. master09 Avatar
        master09

        Adam it,s a site joke. By dab on this site…

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Yup .. Yaba Dabba Doo … 🙂

        2. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          if the maghuls have slaughtered the muslims man how can they slaughter in the name of muslims?…..

          from wiki itself master09…..search for muslim conquest in subcontinent india…you will learn something different from what the small quote you took off wiki.

      2. amazing that Adam is still afraid of writing the word God… The root of the problem: Judaism begot Christianity, Christianity begot Islam… God help us all. 

        1. I’m not religious but I show some respect for traditions. 

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          (below) Adam quotes from ‘Fiddler On The Roof’. – Tradition ……. catchy tune …. 😉

    3. antar2011 Avatar
      antar2011

      we cannot have shariah law planted simply because there is no khilafah…the islamist….muslim…guy you saw is living in la la land.

      1. Mazen_M Avatar
        Mazen_M

         Come on man! Please don’t try to convince me that just because the Koran mentioned an explosion in the sky and talked about embryogenesis, that it means everything scientists discover like the big bang and human development is already mentioned in the Koran! What about Cancer? Is it mentioned? How is it cured? What about the theory of relativity?

        1. antar2011 Avatar
          antar2011

          no i won’t try to convince you because not everything scientists discover is already mentioned in the Quran.

          not one muslim claims that.

  5. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
    Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

    The region has changed and the power centres are as follows:-

    Iran: Forward looking people under a religious fascist regime

    Saudi Arabia: Religiously fanatic people under a mercenary regime that has to appease a fanatic religious council.

    Egypt: Out of commission. In transition. Will either become like Saudi or go back to Nasserism. Mouritboun militia anyone??

    Israel: Has no interest in symbiosis with Lebanon as it would change her character. Half totally secular. Withdrew from Lebanon and packed up its militia due to protests of soldiers’ mothers.

    1. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      Adam,
      In a sea of Arabic speaking people you are a drop in the ocean… Don’t you think that hebrew should disappear like Aramaic did? You are like a thorn in a flower garden or is it a flower in a thorn garden? lol start learning Arabic… he he

      1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
        Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        FYI Aramaic didn’t disappear. Aramaic and Hebrew are the languages of the indigenous peoples of the fertile crescent. Aramaic is still spoken by Assyrians and some Arameans. It is being revived. I don’t think they should disappear, I think that they should grow and so should the rights of the indigenous peoples of the region.

        1. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          In a sea of Moslem Arabs? Dream on… They are a one way mind… That is if they have a mind.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Fertile?
          Even with all the people and camels shitting on it, and blood flowing everywhere for millennia, it needs water to be fertile.
          Can we say, ‘overpopulated’?

  6. The region has changed and the power centres are as follows:-

    Iran: Forward looking people under a religious fascist regime

    Saudi Arabia: Religiously fanatic people under a mercenary regime that has to appease a fanatic religious council.

    Egypt: Out of commission. In transition. Will either become like Saudi or go back to Nasserism. Mouritboun militia anyone??

    Israel: Has no interest in symbiosis with Lebanon as it would change her character. Half totally secular. Withdrew from Lebanon and packed up its militia due to protests of soldiers’ mothers.

    1. Adam,
      In a sea of Arabic speaking people you are a drop in the ocean… Don’t you think that hebrew should disappear like Aramaic did? You are like a thorn in a flower garden or is it a flower in a thorn garden? lol start learning Arabic… he he

      1. FYI Aramaic didn’t disappear. Aramaic and Hebrew are the languages of the indigenous peoples of the fertile crescent. Aramaic is still spoken by Assyrians and some Arameans. It is being revived. I don’t think they should disappear, I think that they should grow and so should the rights of the indigenous peoples of the region.

        1. In a sea of Moslem Arabs? Dream on… They are a one way mind… That is if they have a mind.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Fertile?
          Even with all the people and camels shitting on it, and blood flowing everywhere for millennia, it needs water to be fertile.
          Can we say, ‘overpopulated’?

  7. Rafic Avatar

    Mr. Kenaani,I have a question for you ,Who created the Creator, God, Allah,Jehovah, did he have any father or mother ,he should have come from somebody nothing is created in the vacuum also the Creator to be that All mighty might have predecessors, that means as  the parents of God we should have generations of the same Gods Can you please explain to me,since God is Eternal , parents are Eternal too! That means we have millions of Gods, If you believe in Adam and Eve, how many billions of people were born and died till now.

    1. antar2011 Avatar
      antar2011

      how can a creator be created?

      a creator creates only

      a creation is created only

      simple logic.

      your question thus is illogical.

      in islam, Allah is The One God.

      [Quran 112:1-4] Say He is Allah, [who is The] One and Only
      Allah the Eternal Absolute
      He neither begets nor is born
      Nor is there to Him any equivalent.

    2. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
      Mahdi Kenaani

      hey you are the one who believe that the whole universe came of nothing without any creator… that sounds alot more unbelievable then a eternal god

  8. Rafic Avatar

    Mr. Kenaani,I have a question for you ,Who created the Creator, God, Allah,Jehovah, did he have any father or mother ,he should have come from somebody nothing is created in the vacuum also the Creator to be that All mighty might have predecessors, that means as  the parents of God we should have generations of the same Gods Can you please explain to me,since God is Eternal , parents are Eternal too! That means we have millions of Gods, If you believe in Adam and Eve, how many billions of people were born and died till now.

    1. antar2011 Avatar
      antar2011

      how can a creator be created?

      a creator creates only

      a creation is created only

      simple logic.

      your question thus is illogical.

      in islam, Allah is The One God.

      [Quran 112:1-4] Say He is Allah, [who is The] One and Only
      Allah the Eternal Absolute
      He neither begets nor is born
      Nor is there to Him any equivalent.

    2. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
      Mahdi Kenaani

      hey you are the one who believe that the whole universe came of nothing without any creator… that sounds alot more unbelievable then a eternal god

  9. Hannibal Avatar
    Hannibal

    The day the U.S. blows Iran into oblivion will be a good day… The 300 at Thermopylae beat the crap out of the persians and history will repeat itself soon when 300 planes will send Iran back to Xerxes.

    1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
      Mahdi Kenaani

      You live in some kind of dream world dont you?

      1. master09 Avatar
        master09

        and you in a cave lol and denial.lol

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          yeah sure, i live in a lol and then i live in another lol

  10. The day the U.S. blows Iran into oblivion will be a good day… The 300 at Thermopylae beat the crap out of the persians and history will repeat itself soon when 300 planes will send Iran back to Xerxes.

    1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
      Mahdi Kenaani

      You live in some kind of dream world dont you?

      1. master09 Avatar
        master09

        and you in a cave lol and denial.lol

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          yeah sure, i live in a lol and then i live in another lol

  11. Prophettttt Avatar
    Prophettttt

    The problem is with the way religious people perceive their role as spokesman for God  and for their religion,and not with religion itself . In other word, most religious people want to share their religious views with others as “the ultimate truth”,but seldom want others to share theirs with them.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Old saying, Prophet … if you want to stay friends with people, never discuss religion or politics. 🙂
      Of course, when you consider that’s just about the same thing to the people who hope to benefit by being a part of either, it’s a saying with built-in redundancy …

      1. Hannibal Avatar
        Hannibal

        That is why I discuss science to refute both 😛 lol
        and you never answer my questions… That does not make you my friend 5th…
        Are you from the North of Lebanon?

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          I’m sure I had answered Hannibal. I said ‘no’ … but I have a certain love for the place. Sorry. 🙂

          Which is NOT to say a love for people who gather on Fridays in a Mosque, then take off immediately after theoretically communing with God to demonstrate, cause riots, shoot guns and kill some people, and generally cause mayhem for ALL the other citizens in Tripoli even into the rest of the week/year. And it’s getting worse thanks to the OTHER assholes who think Assad is doing wondrous things in Syria.
          Takes two to tango, as they say. Going somewhere else can be beneficial for one’s health.
          Especially considering the degradation of ALL living conditions under a totally dysfunctional government – everywhere in Lebanon. (Except downtown Beirut?)
          And finding a working ‘net’ there is tricky too … so rare in fact, that the crowd in a working ‘internet cafe’ hardly looks up when the shooters pass by on the street, since they have a connection suddenly. 🙂
          One needs to hope that the ones firing actually know how to aim … of course. A friend of mine was hit sitting in his living-room and almost died from a ‘stray’ bullet – although we have to admit he had a light on and the curtains open. Dangerous if some think you have money these days.
          Tripoli is in shit. But I don’t want to write a book … although will report that baby I talked about before is still in the hands of the lady who couldn’t leave it on the sidewalk and walk past like others obviously had. No-one WANTS to care. The most classic excuse-line was; “Oh, we’ll take it, but it must have papers.”  Sectarianism at it’s finest. As if a 1-yr old baby with no diaper lying in it’s own shit and crying constantly has papers.
          Imagine ……
          The orphange is overflowing …. 🙁

        2. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          @5thDrawer:disqus Being an adoptive dad myself, I say each family should adopt a Lebanese orphan at random, without papers… May be it will make it hard for people to shoot each others… 😉

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Hannibal …. I am hoping all the orphans will grow up to recognize the stupidity of the older generations. One hopes they will have a chance to vote.

    2. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
      Mahdi Kenaani

      I couldnt care less about you and others of your kind becoming muslims…. I actually think I prefer you to stay non-muslims then I will laugh my ass off when all of you go to hell on the day of qiyama…

      1. Hannibal Avatar
        Hannibal

        laughing at others is not kind… Therefore you will be in hell as well… with a coat of pigs’ skin.
        You must be some brain-washed shiite teenager… Go flagellate yourself… Have fun!
        Mahdi aal leyk malla khabriyye… You will wait forever for your mythical mahdi…. He is not coming as no mahdi ever existed.

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          brainwashed: Maybe… but not more than you and everybody else…
          Shiite: Absolutely!
          Teenager: nope!!!

          You on the other hand must be a lebanese christian US-ass kisser

        2. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          @ non-mahdi Kenaani
          Close but not close enough…
          I am a U.S. citizen of Lebanese origin… I am areligious.
          You on the other hand must be a shiite Persian-ass kisser.
          You won’t be kissing for long as we will free you from that soon when we blow Iran off the map.

        3. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          US citizen??? of lebanese origin?? watch out, I have heard real americans – not like you wanna-be-american – really hate arabs!! Like the most of the world. if you are lucky you maybe get deported…. You wanna be a us-ass kisser then????

          Did you know that arab us-ass-kissers like you are the reson why the whole arab world is so fucked up???
          So you are religious? whats you religion? US-ass-kissing??

          i prefer to be a persian-ass kisser rather than US-ass-kisser.
          You wish… I have been waiting over 30 years for US-ass kissers like you to blow iran off the map and you know what. i am getting very pessimistic… I dont think you have the balls to do such a thing..

        4. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          @google-c02926dd49c1b4ceb6b76efdfca9054d:disqus ya ayyuur, read before you answer… I HAVE NO RELIGION… I AM NOT BRAINWASHED LIKE YOU… ARELIGIOUS and then you ask me what religion? what are you really a 7maar? Besides I am NOT AN ARAB… Only 25% of the fertile crescent is J1 Arabs… The rest are Europeans (Greek, Romans, Crusaders etc…) or J2 natives (the real indigenous) Aramaic, phoenicians etc… I tested my DNA and I turned out to be a non-Arab origin… Arabs got out of their peninsula in the 800 AD… The land was not empty… Your propaganda is not sinking in… The U.S. is all made of different ethnic people and a U.S citizen does not have to kiss up to the U.S. because it is OUR country and finally We are coming to kick your ass soon… But we are waiting for the Persians Greens to do it for us. Your Mullahs days are coming to an end…  Did you ever look at how they dress? One thinks they are coming right out of the middle ages. Pathetic and UGLY! Go self flagellate your mahdi ass… Oh do not forget to cry for a story that happened some 1500 years ago when the moslems you like so much killed the grandchildren of your so called prophet in cold blood. Read your history dude… All fate7 this and fate7 that and kill this and kill that, decapitate this and decapitate that, and oh do not forget to shorten an already short dick with circumcision. 
          Let me get this? God creates a foreskin and then orders you to chop it off… REALLY? WHY? Go mount a totem pole.

        5. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          Yes you are as brainwashed as I am, why dont you just admit it? You have been brainwashed by the american regime whether you like it or not and i have been brainwashed by the mullahs

          You have got it all wrong! You wish that the Mullahs days are coming to an end… But the fact is that the US is going down for sure. just watch the news.. I bet at that moment you will flee back to lebanon and call yourself an arab and if anyone requires proofs you will fake a dna test with your american  $’s.

      2. Prophettttt Avatar
        Prophettttt

        Mahdi, Your last statement “I will laugh my ass off when all of you go to hell on the day of qiyama” proved my point,whereby you believe that you know the truth and and that you know how God would judge others.You also made a judgment that I’m not a Muslim by saying ”
        I prefer you to stay non-Muslims”,when I had not said a word as to what faith I follow.
        I would only tell you that your true faith starts as soon as your prayer is over.It is how you  lead your life as a human and as a faithful and a believer..Being judgmental,and  self righteous can only blind your faith and and soul,and it can easily make you talk yourself into forgetting that you are part of  civilization.
        Don’t take this as a personal attack,my friend. I have read many of your comments,and I share some of your concerns,but not your judgmental views of others based on religion alone.

        1. Hannibal Avatar
          Hannibal

          My prophet,
          You are wise
          Why do religious people hijack God for themselves?
          It is like they know Him so well and speak for him and then (wearing my helmet lol) they create a party of God for him as if He asked… LOL

        2. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          well the comment wasnt meant to be judgmental at all. the point was that i dont care what people believe in… thats none of my business… 

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Going to need the scotch soon, Prophet, the way this is going. :-)))))

        4. Prophettttt Avatar
          Prophettttt

          Nice twist Hannibal,lol
          They do it for the same reasons George Bush claimed that God communicated with him,and for the same reason Jews claim that God promised them a piece of land,and made them the beloved chosen people.
           Politics aside, claiming the name of God is wrong(and self-serving) whether someone chooses to name a party after God or some some one tried to justify his actions and decisions by claimed an exclusive relationship or ownership of God.It all comes down to the story I told few times about the red phone the late Pope John Paul II saw on his visits to  the white house , the Kremlin,and the office of the Israel’s prime minster,where He found  out that calling God from Jerusalem is much cheaper than calling him from the white house or the Kremlin because,being in Jerusalem , calls are local while calls to God from Washington or Moscow are long distance.
          Now, don’t drag  me further into this discussion,because religious people from all faiths have one thing in common which is their intolerance and their self-righteousness.

        5. deptyGod Avatar
          deptyGod

          I agreerd mr “faith start after prayer” not salafites mr  

      3. Rafic Avatar

        Hi Mr. Kenaani, I was always curious where heaven and hell might be , maybe on a distant planet or the one on this Earth might be still volcano eruptions, the last I know of was in Iceland couple years ago the closest resemblance to hell on Earth.

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          i dont know where the heaven and hell might be either and i dont need to know although i think you are wrong…  no, hell on earth must be israHELL, no doubt about that

      4. deptyGod Avatar
        deptyGod

        no vergins for them mr

        1. master09 Avatar
          master09

          you salifat, wahibi or zionisti mr virgins for me all for me , but I like a women with a couple years under her belt, get it under her belt..heheheh  

    3. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      Spoken like a real prophet…

  12. Prophettttt Avatar
    Prophettttt

    The problem is with the way religious people perceive their role as spokesman for God  and for their religion,and not with religion itself . In other word, most religious people want to share their religion views with others as “the ultimate truth”,but seldom want others to share theirs with them.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Old saying, Prophet … if you want to stay friends with people, never discuss religion or politics. 🙂
      Of course, when you consider that’s just about the same thing to the people who hope to benefit by being a part of either, it’s a saying with built-in redundancy …

      1. That is why I discuss science to refute both 😛 lol
        and you never answer my questions… That does not make you my friend 5th…
        Are you from the North of Lebanon?

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          I’m sure I had answered Hannibal. I said ‘no’ … but I have a certain love for the place. 🙂

          Which is NOT to say a love for people who gather on Fridays in a Mosque, then take off immediately after theoretically communing with God to demonstrate, cause riots, shoot guns and kill some people, and generally cause mayhem for ALL the other citizens in Tripoli even into the rest of the week/year. And it’s getting worse thanks to the OTHER assholes who think Assad is doing wondrous things in Syria.
          Takes two to tango, as they say. Going somewhere else can be beneficial for one’s health.
          Especially considering the degradation of ALL living conditions under a totally dysfunctional government – everywhere in Lebanon.
          And finding a working ‘net’ there is tricky too … so rare in fact, that the crowd in a working ‘internet cafe’ hardly looks up when the shooters pass by on the street, since they have a connection suddenly. 🙂
          One needs to hope that the ones firing actually know how to aim … of course. A friend of mine was hit sitting in his living-room and almost died from a ‘stray’ bullet – although we have to admit he had a light on and the curtains open. Dangerous if some think you have money these days.
          Tripoli is in shit. But I don’t want to write a book … although will report that baby I talked about before is still in the hands of the lady who couldn’t leave it on the sidewalk and walk past like others obviously had. No-one WANTS to care. The most classic excuse-line was; “Oh, we’ll take it, but it must have papers.”  Sectarianism at it’s finest.
          Imagine ……
          The orphange is overflowing …. 🙁

        2. @5thDrawer:disqus Being an adoptive dad myself, I say each family should adopt a Lebanese orphan at random, without papers… May be it will make it hard for people to shoot each others… 😉

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Hannibal …. I am hoping all the orphans will grow up to recognize the stupidity of the older generations. One hopes they will have a chance to vote.

    2. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
      Mahdi Kenaani

      I couldnt care less about you and others of your kind becoming muslims…. I actually think I prefer you to stay non-muslims then I will laugh my ass off when all of you go to hell on the day of qiyama…

      1. laughing at others is not kind… Therefore you will be in hell as well… with a coat of pigs’ skin.
        You must be some brain-washed shiite teenager… Go flagellate yourself… Have fun!
        Mahdi aal leyk malla khabriyye… You will wait forever for your mythical mahdi…. He is not coming as no mahdi never existed.

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          brainwashed: Maybe… but not more than you and everybody else…
          Shiite: Absolutely!
          Teenager: nope!!!

          You on the other hand must be a lebanese christian US-ass kisser

        2. @ non-mahdi Kenaani
          Close but not close enough…
          I am a U.S. citizen of Lebanese origin… I am areligious.
          You on the other hand must be a shiite Persian-ass kisser.
          You won’t be kissing for long as we will free you from that soon when we blow Iran off the map.

        3. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          US citizen??? of lebanese origin?? watch out, I have heard real americans – not like you wanna-be-american – really hate arabs!! Like the most of the world. if you are lucky you maybe get deported…. You wanna be a us-ass kisser then????

          So you are religious? whats you religion? US-ass-kissing??

          i prefer to be a persian-ass kisser rather than US-ass-kisser.
          You wish… I have been waiting over 30 years for US-ass kissers like you to blow iran off the map and you know what. i am getting very pessimistic… I dont think you have the balls to do such a thing..  

        4. @google-c02926dd49c1b4ceb6b76efdfca9054d:disqus ya ayyuur, read before you answer… I HAVE NO RELIGION… I AM NOT BRAINWASHED LIKE YOU… ARELIGIOUS and then you ask me what religion? what are you really a 7maar? Besides I am NOT AN ARAB… Only 25% of the fertile crescent is J1 Arabs… The rest are Europeans (Greek, Romans, Crusaders etc…) or J2 natives (the real indigenous) Aramaic, phoenicians etc… I tested my DNA and I turned out to be a non-Arab origin… Arabs got out of their peninsula in the 800 AD… The land was not empty… Your propaganda is not sinking in… The U.S. is all made of different ethnic people and a U.S citizen does not have to kiss up to the U.S. because it is OUR country and finally We are coming to kick your ass soon… But we are waiting for the Persians Greens to do it for us. Your Mullahs days are coming to an end…  Did you ever look at how they dress? One thinks they are coming right out of the middle ages. Pathetic and UGLY! Go self flagellate your mahdi ass… Oh do not forget to cry for a story that happened some 1500 years ago when the moslems you like so much killed the grandchildren of your so called prophet in cold blood. Read your history dude… All fate7 this and fate7 that and kill this and kill that, decapitate this and decapitate that, and oh do not forget to shorten an already short dick with circumcision. 
          Let me get this? God creates a foreskin and then orders you to chop it off… REALLY? WHY? Go mount a totem pole.

        5. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          Yes you are as brainwashed as I am, why dont you just admit it? You have been brainwashed by the american regime whether you like it or not and i have been brainwashed by the mullahs

          You have got it all wrong! You wish that the Mullahs days are coming to an end… But the fact is that the US is going down for sure. just watch the news.. I bet at that moment you will flee back to lebanon and call yourself an arab and if anyone requires proofs you will fake a dna test with your american  $’s.

      2. Prophettttt Avatar
        Prophettttt

        Mahdi, Your last statement “I will laugh my ass off when all of you go to hell on the day of qiyama” proved my point,whereby you believe that you know the truth and and that you know how God would judge others.You also made a judgment that I’m not a Muslim by saying ”
        I prefer you to stay non-Muslims”,when I had not said a word as to what faith I follow.
        Being a Muslim myself, I would only tell you that your true faith starts as soon as your prayer is over.It is how you  lead your life as a human and as a faithful and a believer..Being judgmental,and  self righteous can only blind your faith and and soul,and it can easily make you talk yourself into forgetting that you are part of  civilization.
        Don’t take this as a personal attack,my friend. I have read many of your comments,and I share some of your concerns,but not your judgmental views of others based on religion alone.

        1. My prophet,
          You are wise
          Why do religious people hijack God for themselves?
          It is like they know Him so well and speak for him and then (wearing my helmet lol) they create a party of God for him as if He asked… LOL

        2. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          well the comment wasnt meant to be judgmental at all. the point was that i dont care what people believe in… thats none of my business… 

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Going to need the scotch soon, Prophet, they way this is going. :-)))))

        4. Prophettttt Avatar
          Prophettttt

          Nice twist Hannibal,lol
          They do it for the same reasons George Bush claimed that God communicated with him,and for the same reason Jews claim that God promised them a piece of land,and made them the beloved chosen people.
           Politics aside, claiming the name of God is wrong9and self-serving) whether someone chooses to name his party after him or some some one tried to justify his actions and decisions by claimed an exclusive relationship or ownership of God.It all comes down to the story I told few times about the red phone the late Pope John Paul II saw on his visits to  the white house , the Kremlin,and the office of the Israel’s prime minster,where He found  out that calling God from Jerusalem is much cheaper than calling him from the white house or the Kremlin because,being in Jerusalem , it is local calls compared the long distance calls from Washington or Moscow.
          Now, don’t drag  me further into this discussion,lol

        5. deptyGod Avatar
          deptyGod

          I agreerd mr “faith start after prayer” not salafites mr  

      3. Rafic Avatar

        Hi Mr. Kenaani, I was always curious where heaven and hell might be , maybe on a distant planet or the one on this Earth might be still volcano eruptions, the last I know of was in Iceland couple years ago the closest resemblance to hell on Earth.

        1. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
          Mahdi Kenaani

          i dont know where the heaven and hell might be either and i dont need to know although i think you are wrong…  no, hell on earth must be israHELL, no doubt about that

      4. deptyGod Avatar
        deptyGod

        no vergins for them mr

        1. master09 Avatar
          master09

          you salifat, wahibi or zionisti mr virgins for me all for me , but I like a women with a couple years under her belt, get it under her belt..heheheh  

    3. Spoken like a real prophet…

  13. antar2011 Avatar
    antar2011

    @hbarca:disqus  who said prophet Adam alayhi al salam did not have any audience?
    what? did he live by himself all his life?
    how about his wife? children? grandchildren? great grandchildren? great great great grandchildren?…pple lived for a very long time… as i said the ibrahimc faith has the basis of worshiping Allah, the One God. that’s what Adam alayhi ala salaam has believed in and made dawah to others.
     
    you think you know everything but you don’t…
     
    the human mind is limited to creation…it is a minute element amongst the creation of Allah. we have such a limited capacity to grasp what Allah wants us to know.
     
    i don’t deny science and so reason teaches us new things..it expands our knowledge but it does not gives us depth. it is limited to the material thing and misses the useen….it is sure to tell me about things that we can see/fee/experience/ even if after testig and retesting and conclusion…but it cannot tell me about the things that i cannot see/feel. and even after testing and retesting it concludes of not 100% certainty…after all that is the basis of science.
     
    whereas islam/ibrahimic faiths tell you that the source of everything including certainty itself is the One God, Allah….that’s the depth i meant earlier.

    in islam, we are told i detail to use our intellect and then we will acquire knowlege, real knowledge.

    Islam is a religion of balance. Physical/material/ sensory perception is not our sole ability. Self-reflection, looking internally at our own spirit and soul, is another important way of acquiring knowledge and arriving at The Real, The Haqq, Allah.

     
     

    1. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      Your Koran says: Ma li araakom ta7aadjuuna bel diini wa antom behe ghayrou 3aalimoun
      Adam with Eve begot Cain and Able 
      Then Cain killed Able
      Cain alone in the Earth and chastised by God hmmmmmm
      Where did the other women come from?
      The human mind is not limited by creation it is limited by fear and religion
      and let me ask you this…
      All those skulls and bones we dig out with carbon dating being our ancestors are they planted by the devil to confuse us?
      and also, people never lived more than 30 years during those days because we dug them up and looked. Longevity has been going up every year BECAUSE of Science and that is why religious followers have a short life because they are left in the dust…
      With all that I NEVER DENIED THE EXISTENCE OF GOD… IT is JUST that HE is A different GOD than THE one YOU know…
      What type of religion is that which forces its people to learn Arabic to become a follower. YUP your God is limited to one archaic language… My God is multilingual.

      1. Rafic Avatar

        If there is a very intelligent being might be an astronaut from a distant planet that has few thousand years more advanced civilization then us. Look how the West progressed the last couple hundred years creating industrial machine discovering electricity flying objects telephone rockets moon etc etc, can you imagine the rate the West is progressing another 1000 years what are we going to become, maybe the Amazon Indians will think we are Gods .

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          I’m sure they already do Rafic … the last tribe totally isolated there (by design, as it turns out to try and preserve them) shoots arrows at the plane flying over to take pictures of them … they don’t want a God coming at them, it seems, either. 🙂

      2. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
        Mahdi Kenaani

        Actually i heard some coulple of years ago  that religious ppl live longer than non-religious ppl… so what you are saying isnt true…

        And what do those bones prove? Would you tell me that? The way I see it they prove nothing! 

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Yah Mahdi … and men live longer with a wife too. 
          So … some think 4 wives will have them living long past the time of the dictator who controls them.
           But having 4 nag at you can probably shorten the time, so … better to cover them up and only provide some easy access at the bottom end? Right?
          It’s all about peace of mind. Religion or marriage do not necessarily provide peace of mind. Many people can still be totally confused even with both. 🙂

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Yah Mahdi … and men live longer with a wife too. 
          So … some think 4 wives will have them living long past the time of the dictator who controls them.
           But having 4 nag at you can probably shorten the time, so … better to cover them up and only provide some easy access at the bottom end? Right?
          It’s all about peace of mind. Religion or marriage do not necessarily provide peace of mind. Many people can still be totally confused even with both. 🙂

      3. antar2011 Avatar
        antar2011

        for any analysis of any idea in any literature, credible analyst look at the context of the idea so they go looking at what was happening just before that yet to be analysed idea, then they look at the idea itself and last they look at what events follows it…

        in the Quran, you can’t just look at one ayah/verse and say…oh i understand what this is about….you need to look at the context…as well as [a specifity of the Quran…you need to look in another surah/chapter as well as hadith/sayings of the Prophet, to fully comprehend that idea, that’s even not delving into the linguistic aspects of the verse as well as the cultural aspects too].

        so …quoting another website about the tafseer of ibn kathir the verse you referred was [3:66] but the context is [Quran 3:65-68]…

        يأَهْلَ الْكِتَـبِ لِمَ تُحَآجُّونَ فِى إِبْرَهِيمَ وَمَآ أُنزِلَتِ التَّورَاةُ وَالإْنْجِيلُ إِلاَّ مِن بَعْدِهِ أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَ

        3:65 O people of the Scripture! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim, while the Tawrah and the Injil were not revealed till after him! Have you then no sense!

        هأَنتُمْ هَـؤُلاءِ حَـجَجْتُمْ فِيمَا لَكُم بِهِ عِلمٌ فَلِمَ تُحَآجُّونَ فِيمَا لَيْسَ لَكُمْ بِهِ عِلْمٌ

        3:66 Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that of which you have no knowledge!

        وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنتُمْ لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ

        It is Allah Who knows, and you know not.

        مَا كَانَ إِبْرَهِيمُ يَهُودِيًّا وَلاَ نَصْرَانِيًّا وَلَكِن كَانَ حَنِيفًا مُّسْلِمًا وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ

        3:67 Ibrahim was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa and he was not of the Mushrikin.

        إِنَّ أَوْلَى النَّاسِ بِإِبْرَهِيمَ لَلَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوهُ وَهَـذَا النَّبِىُّ وَالَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ

        3:68 Verily, among mankind who have the best claim to Ibrahim are those who followed him, and this Prophet and those who have believed.

        وَاللَّهُ وَلِىُّ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ

        And Allah is the Wali (Protector and Helper) of the believers.

        the hadith/saying of the Prophet regarding this issue:

        Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Yasar reported that Ibn Abbas said,

        “The Christians of Najran and Jewish rabbis gathered before the Messenger of Allah and disputed in front of him. The rabbis said, `Ibrahim was certainly Jewish.’ The Christians said, `Certainly, Ibrahim was Christian.’

        Hence the ayah/verse you quoted [with some mistakes]:

        يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لِمَ تُحَآجُّونَ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ …

        O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim,

        meaning, `How is it that you, Jews, claim that Ibrahim was Jew, although he lived before Allah sent down the Tawrah to Musa! and How is it that you, Christians, claim that Ibrahim was Christian, although Christianity came after his time”

        … وَمَا أُنزِلَتِ التَّورَاةُ وَالإنجِيلُ إِلاَّ مِن بَعْدِهِ …

        while the Tawrah and the Injil were not revealed till after him!

        This is why it was said,

        … أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَ ﴿٦٥﴾

        Have you then no sense!

        Then the verse that you referred to [Quran 3:66] comes here:

        هَاأَنتُمْ هَؤُلاء حَاجَجْتُمْ فِيمَا لَكُم بِهِ عِلمٌ فَلِمَ تُحَآجُّونَ فِيمَا لَيْسَ لَكُم بِهِ عِلْمٌ …

        Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that of which you have no knowledge!

        The ayah/verse criticizes those who argue and dispute without knowledge, just as the Jews and Christians did concerning Ibrahim. Had they disputed about their religions, which they had knowledge of, and about the Law that was legislated for them until Muhammad was sent, it would have been better for them. Rather, they disputed about what they had no knowledge of, so Allah criticized them for this behavior. Allah commanded them to refer what they have no knowledge of to He Who knows the seen and unseen matters and Who knows the true reality of all things.

        This is why,

        … وَاللّهُ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنتُمْ لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ ﴿٦٦﴾

        It is Allah Who knows, and you know not.

        social laws at the begining of humanity was very different from social laws we follow today…. it is believed that during the time of Prophet Adam alayhi al salaam the laws concering incents was no existent….

        prophet Adam alayhi al salaam made da’wah to his family…he was a prophet to his family…

        the human mind is limited….to what is seen…..it cannot explain the unseen…it uses probability which is not sufficient for any believer.

        even if the Quran uses rational arguments [which is what you are concentrating on], they are not “self-evident” as you already are hinting at… you need to search within yourself…your soul…reach deep down and reflect… when the heart and the emotion are reached, the meaning is clear, the belief is reached.

        the main example of the Quran is our prophet sallaAllah alayhi wasallam, you need to read who is our prophet why is he considered by many historians as the most imfluencial personality in human history…

        TC

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          And many historians think Jesus Christ was the most influential personality.
          ALL you may conclude is that some prophetic (see thinking) people in history – who’s words were recorded and spread around – have been influential in shaping the thoughts of humans in different situations in different time periods of human development. Some reach into their minds to consider what ‘will be’ after they are gone … and expound a philosophy based on their own accumulated knowledge and experiences in life. The rest of us, more often than not, simply choose what suits us best or what works for us. We don’t have that ‘vision’.
          Some choose to follow a line of thinking which comes from a carpenter at peace in his workshop, who’s skill was in working natural wood into useful (and possibly beautiful) objects, while observing the life that flows around him.
          Some choose to follow a line of thinking from a man who’s workshop was a battlefield and who’s skill was in sharpening metal to kill other people with.
          The word ‘peace’ from each of these men has different connotations – even if/as we might believe both eventually desired it for future human societies. One lives it, even to the exclusion of self-preservation. One enforces it on society and makes a set of rules no-one wants to live with.
          Which one’s words you, now living IN the future, wish to follow is (should be) your choice by this time in human development (history). Many other thinkers have written their thoughts too by this time. Although, we see, humans are still divided on which workshop they choose to work in.

          “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” – Aristotle
          “Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.” – Albert Einstein

  14. antar2011 Avatar
    antar2011

    @hbarca:disqus  who said prophet Adam alayhi al salam did not have any audience?
    what? did he live by himself all his life?
    how about his wife? children? grandchildren? great grandchildren? great great great grandchildren?…pple lived for a very long time… as i said the ibrahimc faith has the basis of worshiping Allah, the One God. that’s what Adam alayhi ala salaam has believed in and made dawah to others.
     
    you think you know everything but you don’t…
     
    the human mind is limited to creation…it is a minute element amongst the creation of Allah. we have such a limited capacity to grasp what Allah wants us to know.
     
    i don’t deny science and so reason teaches us new things..it expands our knowledge but it does not gives us depth. it is limited to the material thing and misses the useen….it is sure to tell me about things that we can see/fee/experience/ even if after testig and retesting and conclusion…but it cannot tell me about the things that i cannot see/feel. and even after testing and retesting it concludes of not 100% certainty…after all that is the basis of science.
     
    whereas islam/ibrahimic faiths tell you that the source of everything including certainty itself is the One God, Allah….that’s the depth i meant earlier.

    in islam, we are told i detail to use our intellect and then we will acquire knowlege, real knowledge.

    Islam is a religion of balance. Physical/material/ sensory perception is not our sole ability. Self-reflection, looking internally at our own spirit and soul, is another important way of acquiring knowledge and arriving at The Real, The Haqq, Allah.

     
     

    1. Your Koran says: Ma li araakom ta7aadjuuna bel diini wa antom behe ghayrou 3aalimoun
      Adam with Eve begot Cain and Able 
      Then Cain killed Able
      Cain alone in the Earth and chastised by God hmmmmmm
      Where did the other women come from?
      The human mind is not limited by creation it is limited by fear and religion
      and let me ask you this…
      All those skulls and bones we dig out with carbon dating being our ancestors are they planted by the devil to confuse us?
      and also, people never lived more than 30 years during those days because we dug them up and looked. Longevity has been going up every year BECAUSE of Science and that is why religious followers have a short life because they are left in the dust…
      With all that I NEVER DENIED THE EXISTENCE OF GOD… IT is JUST that HE is A different GOD than THE one YOU know…
      What type of religion is that which forces its people to learn Arabic to become a follower. YUP your God is limited to one archaic language… My God is multilingual.

      1. Rafic Avatar

        If there is a very intelligent being might be an astronaut from a distant planet that has few thousand years more advanced civilization then us. Look how the West progressed the last couple hundred years creating industrial machine discovering electricity flying objects telephone rockets moon etc etc, can you imagine the rate the West is progressing another 1000 years what are we going to become, maybe the Amazon Indians will think we are Gods .

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          I’m sure they already do Rafic … the last tribe totally isolated there (by design, as it turns out to try and preserve them) shoots arrows at the plane flying over to take pictures of them … they don’t want a God coming at them, it seems, either. 🙂

      2. Mahdi Kenaani Avatar
        Mahdi Kenaani

        Actually i heard some coulple of years ago  that religious ppl live longer than non-religious ppl… so what you are saying isnt true…

        And what do those bones prove? Would you tell me that? The way I see it they prove nothing! 

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Yah Mahdi … and men live longer with a wife too. 
          So … some think 4 wives will have them living long past the time of the dictator who controls them.
           But having 4 nag at you can probably shorten the time, so … better to cover them up and only provide some easy access at the bottom end? Right?
          It’s all about peace of mind. Religion or marriage do not necessarily provide peace of mind. Many people can still be totally confused even with both. 🙂

      3. antar2011 Avatar
        antar2011

        for any analysis of any idea in any literature, credible analyst look at the context of the idea so they go looking at what was happening just before that yet to be analysed idea, then they look at the idea itself and last they look at what events follows it…

        in the Quran, you can’t just look at one ayah/verse and say…oh i understand what this is about….you need to look at the context…as well as [a specifity of the Quran…you need to look in another surah/chapter as well as hadith/sayings of the Prophet, to fully comprehend that idea, that’s even not delving into the linguistic aspects of the verse as well as the cultural aspects too].

        so …quoting another website about the tafseer of ibn kathir the verse you referred was [3:66] but the context is [Quran 3:65-68]…

        يأَهْلَ الْكِتَـبِ لِمَ تُحَآجُّونَ فِى إِبْرَهِيمَ وَمَآ أُنزِلَتِ التَّورَاةُ وَالإْنْجِيلُ إِلاَّ مِن بَعْدِهِ أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَ

        3:65 O people of the Scripture! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim, while the Tawrah and the Injil were not revealed till after him! Have you then no sense!

        هأَنتُمْ هَـؤُلاءِ حَـجَجْتُمْ فِيمَا لَكُم بِهِ عِلمٌ فَلِمَ تُحَآجُّونَ فِيمَا لَيْسَ لَكُمْ بِهِ عِلْمٌ

        3:66 Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that of which you have no knowledge!

        وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنتُمْ لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ

        It is Allah Who knows, and you know not.

        مَا كَانَ إِبْرَهِيمُ يَهُودِيًّا وَلاَ نَصْرَانِيًّا وَلَكِن كَانَ حَنِيفًا مُّسْلِمًا وَمَا كَانَ مِنَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ

        3:67 Ibrahim was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa and he was not of the Mushrikin.

        إِنَّ أَوْلَى النَّاسِ بِإِبْرَهِيمَ لَلَّذِينَ اتَّبَعُوهُ وَهَـذَا النَّبِىُّ وَالَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ

        3:68 Verily, among mankind who have the best claim to Ibrahim are those who followed him, and this Prophet and those who have believed.

        وَاللَّهُ وَلِىُّ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ

        And Allah is the Wali (Protector and Helper) of the believers.

        the hadith/saying of the Prophet regarding this issue:
        Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Yasar reported that Ibn Abbas said,

        “The Christians of Najran and Jewish rabbis gathered before the Messenger of Allah and disputed in front of him. The rabbis said, `Ibrahim was certainly Jewish.’ The Christians said, `Certainly, Ibrahim was Christian.’

        Hence the ayah/verse:

        يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لِمَ تُحَآجُّونَ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ …

        O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim,

        meaning, `How is it that you, Jews, claim that Ibrahim was Jew, although he lived before Allah sent down the Tawrah to Musa!

        How is it that you, Christians, claim that Ibrahim was Christian, although Christianity came after his time”

        … وَمَا أُنزِلَتِ التَّورَاةُ وَالإنجِيلُ إِلاَّ مِن بَعْدِهِ …

        while the Tawrah and the Injil were not revealed till after him!

        This is why Allah said,

        … أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَ ﴿٦٥﴾

        Have you then no sense!

        Then the verse that you refered to [Quran 3:66] comes here:

        هَاأَنتُمْ هَؤُلاء حَاجَجْتُمْ فِيمَا لَكُم بِهِ عِلمٌ فَلِمَ تُحَآجُّونَ فِيمَا لَيْسَ لَكُم بِهِ عِلْمٌ …

        Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that of which you have no knowledge!

        The ayah/verse criticizes those who argue and dispute without knowledge, just as the Jews and Christians did concerning Ibrahim. Had they disputed about their religions, which they had knowledge of, and about the Law that was legislated for them until Muhammad was sent, it would have been better for them. Rather, they disputed about what they had no knowledge of, so Allah criticized them for this behavior. Allah commanded them to refer what they have no knowledge of to He Who knows the seen and unseen matters and Who knows the true reality of all things.

        This is why,

        … وَاللّهُ يَعْلَمُ وَأَنتُمْ لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ ﴿٦٦﴾

        It is Allah Who knows, and you know not.

        social laws at the begining of humanity was very different from social laws we follow today…. it is believed that during the time of Prophet Adam alayhi al salaam the laws concering incents was no existent….

        prophet Adam alayhi al salaam made da’wah to his family…he was a prophet to his family…

        the human mind is limited….to what is seen…..it cannot explain the unseen…it uses probability which is not sufficient for any believer.

        even if the Quran uses rational arguments [which is what you are concentrating on], they are not “self-evident” as you already are hinting at… you need to search within yourself…your soul…reach deep down and reflect… when the heart and the emotion are reached, the meaning is clear, the belief is reached.

        to main example of the Quran is our prophet sallaAllah alayhi wasallam, you need to read who is our prophet why is he considered by many historians as the most imfluencial personality in human history…

        TC

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          And many historians think Jesus Christ was the most influential personality.
          ALL you may conclude is that some prophetic (see thinking) people in history – who’s words were recorded and spread around – have been influential in shaping the thoughts of humans in different situations in different time periods of human development. Some reach into their minds to consider what ‘will be’ after they are gone … and expound a philosophy based on their own accumulated knowledge and experiences in life. The rest of us, more often than not, simply choose what suits us best or what works for us. We don’t have that ‘vision’.
          Some choose to follow a line of thinking which comes from a carpenter at peace in his workshop, who’s skill was in working natural wood into useful (and possibly beautiful) objects, while observing the life that flows around him.
          Some choose to follow a line of thinking from a man who’s workshop was a battlefield and who’s skill was in sharpening metal to kill other people with.
          The word ‘peace’ from each of these men has different connotations – even if/as we might believe both eventually desired it for future human societies. One lives it, even to the exclusion of self-preservation. One enforces it on society and makes a set of rules no-one wants to live with.
          Which one’s words you, now living IN the future, wish to follow is (should be) your choice by this time in human development (history). Many other thinkers have written their thoughts too by this time. Although, we see, humans are still divided on which workshop they choose to work in.

          “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” – Aristotle
          “Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.” – Albert Einstein

  15. Leborigine Avatar
    Leborigine

    I existed from all eternity and, behold, I am here; and I shall exist till the end of time, for my being has no end.
    Kahlil Gibran

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      In which case, unlike the fairies in Peter Pan, we don’t need to chant ‘I believe in fairies’ to keep you alive. 😉
      Kahlil was right. 🙂

  16. Leborigine Avatar
    Leborigine

    I existed from all eternity and, behold, I am here; and I shall exist till the end of time, for my being has no end.
    Kahlil Gibran

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      In which case, unlike the fairies in Peter Pan, we don’t need to chant ‘I believe in fairies’ to keep you alive. 🙂

  17. persepoliswarrior Avatar
    persepoliswarrior

    the Persian Gulf islands were Iranian but whatever, we Iranians have a lot more important issues to deal with like getting rid of this regime!!!!!!!!! and ignore this mahdi kenaani……..he sounds like a basiji who is spreading bullshit pro-khameini rhetoric.  the same regime that allows prison guards to rape men and women in prisons………and they call themselves Shia Muslims?   what a joke!!  for sure they are all going to Hell!  the true Shia Muslims of Iran want freedom from this oppression.  This regime is giving our faith and nationality a bad name!! Many Iranians are so ashamed that they are even secretly returning to Zoroastrianism but I will not allow this regime turn me against my faith! 100% Iranian, 100% Shia Muslim, 100% Persian FOREVER! and 100% believer in freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!

  18. persepoliswarrior Avatar
    persepoliswarrior

    the Persian Gulf islands were Iranian but whatever, we Iranians have a lot more important issues to deal with like getting rid of this regime!!!!!!!!! and ignore this mahdi kenaani……..he sounds like a basiji who is spreading bullshit pro-khameini rhetoric.  the same regime that allows prison guards to rape men and women in prisons………and they call themselves Shia Muslims?   what a joke!!  for sure they are all going to Hell!  the true Shia Muslims of Iran want freedom from this oppression.  This regime is giving our faith and nationality a bad name!! Many Iranians are so ashamed that they are even secretly returning to Zoroastrianism but I will not allow this regime turn me against my faith! 100% Iranian, 100% Shia Muslim, 100% Persian FOREVER! and 100% believer in freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. master09 Avatar
    master09

    Someone said in one of their remark.

    O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim,
    meaning, `How is it that you, Jews, claim that Ibrahim was Jew, although he lived before Allah sent down the Tawrah to Musa! and How is it that you, Christians, claim that Ibrahim was Christian, although Christianity came after his time”

    How does islam claim Ibrahim when the forced religion and mainly copy of other books put a claim that Ibrahim was muslim.
    I don’t get it. Islam came 600 AD but claims every thing in the past to be the property of islam , this sounds more like, someone kicking me out of my house and saying, the house and your family belong to me now……Adam was muslim that would have to be the best one….. I mean they say that everyone born, is a muslim now that is freedom and a forced religion. I claim everything and the rest are just bugs and evil, even if you are a saint.. From day one the people of this world where muslim.wow…
      
    Just like inventions they claim, but the people who improved these inventions because most had been around before where by Jews and Christians who where forced to become muslims.

  20. master09 Avatar
    master09

    O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim,
    meaning, `How is it that you, Jews, claim that Ibrahim was Jew, although he lived before Allah sent down the Tawrah to Musa! and How is it that you, Christians, claim that Ibrahim was Christian, although Christianity came after his time”

    How does islam claim Ibrahim when the forced religion and mainly copy of other books put a claim that Ibrahim was muslim.
    I don’t get it. Islam came 600 AD but claims every thing in the past to be the property of islam , this sounds more like, someone kicking me out of my house and saying, the house and your family belong to me now……Adam was muslim that would have to be the best one….. 
      
    Just like inventions they claim, but the people who improved these inventions because most had been around before where by Jews and Christians who where forced to become muslims.   

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