Geagea tells Nasrallah: only Lebanon army protects us against Israel

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Lebanese Forces leader Samir Geagea told Hezbollah chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah, that the Lebanese Army alone would deal with defending any future oil installations from Isreali aggression.

“The Lebanese Army, not you, will deal with our oil installations in the event they were exposed to risk,” Geagea told a news conference that addressed the general political situation.

Nasrallah warned Israel Tuesday against trying to steal Lebanon’s maritime resources and said it would retaliate against any Israeli attack on Lebanon’s oil and gas installations.

“Those who harm our installations will have their own installations harmed,” Nasrallah has warned.

Geagea also said that despite the political disagreement with the Hezbollah-led March 8 coalition, “we stand behind the government on the issue of the oil wealth.”

“Who assigned the secretary-general of Hezbollah to look after our rights? Do we have a president and a government?” Geagea asked.

“The Lebanese did not task Sayyed Nasrallah, and he knows that he does not have a mandate from the Lebanese people and that there are Lebanese institutions responsible for that. Yet, he did it.”

The LF leader said Nasrallah considers himself to be the ruler of Lebanon, not only that but he is acting this way”

Future Movement MP Hadi Hobeish also voiced a similar position to that of Geagea.

“Who asked you [Nasrallah] to set out a strategy, rather than the Lebanese state, under the pretext of protecting maritime resources?” asked Hobeish, who spoke at a forum held in the northern province of Akkar.

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165 responses to “Geagea tells Nasrallah: only Lebanon army protects us against Israel”

  1. Interesting comment when you consider that all nasrallah said was that israel shoud not steal any of lebanons maritime resources.

    Seems like this guy is trying to divert attention away from the issue at hand…….. I guess his previous aliance with israel has nothing to do with his curent stance!!!!!

    Im all for a strong army, united country and equality amongst all communities (in particular the distribution of any wealth generated via oil / gas etc).

    In my opinion, the prospect of any oil / gas on lebanons shores will only excite these filthy politicians.

    God bless Lebanon. 

    1. antar2011 Avatar
      antar2011

      nasrullah said MORE then mere “israel should not steal our resources”.

      more then he brave enough to declare openly.

      he should straight out say to all lebanese, do as i tell you to do because i appoint myself as your murshed. like it or not.

      but he does not have the balls to be honest does he?

      1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
        Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        Let’s mark the damn boundaries.

  2. Interesting comment when you consider that all nasrallah said was that israel shoud not steal any of lebanons maritime resources.

    Seems like this guy is trying to divert attention away from the issue at hand…….. I guess his previous aliance with israel has nothing to do with his curent stance!!!!!

    Im all for a strong army, united country and equality amongst all communities (in particular the distribution of any wealth generated via oil / gas etc).

    In my opinion, the prospect of any oil / gas on lebanons shores will only excite these filthy politicians.

    God bless Lebanon. 

  3.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Interesting comment when you consider that all nasrallah said was that israel shoud not steal any of lebanons maritime resources.

    Seems like this guy is trying to divert attention away from the issue at hand…….. I guess his previous aliance with israel has nothing to do with his curent stance!!!!!

    Im all for a strong army, united country and equality amongst all communities (in particular the distribution of any wealth generated via oil / gas etc).

    In my opinion, the prospect of any oil / gas on lebanons shores will only excite these filthy politicians.

    God bless Lebanon. 

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      nasrullah said MORE then mere “israel should not steal our resources”.

      more then he brave enough to declare openly.

      he should straight out say to all lebanese, do as i tell you to do because i appoint myself as your murshed. like it or not.

      but he does not have the balls to be honest does he?

      1. Let’s mark the damn boundaries.

  4. Patience2 Avatar
    Patience2

    Who protects Lebanon from Hezbollah??  Maybe when Iran is bombed back to the stone age HA will simply vanish — suppose??

  5. Patience2 Avatar
    Patience2

    Who protects Lebanon from Hezbollah??  Maybe when Iran is bombed back to the stone age HA will simply vanish — suppose??

  6.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Who protects Lebanon from Hezbollah??  Maybe when Iran is bombed back to the stone age HA will simply vanish — suppose??

  7. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    What  army? Is this  guy  for  real?  Considering  his  history, What side would Geagea be on when the  army  faces  Israel? Some  people have no shame ,and have enough guts to insult  our intelligence  and  our  memory. YALEE ISTAHOO MATOO.
    Of all people,  this  guy  should be quiet when Israel is mentioned.He is the last  person on  earth to lecture us  on  how  to  protect  Lebanon  from Israel.
    The Lebanese army did not task Geagea to make an alliance with Israel either.

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      No .. but if he’s part of the Central Government which is in control of the Army of the Country, then he’s right on this.

    2. if you are corner by a lion what would you do ?would you let him just eat you alive or you would do the impossible to save your sole iam not defending no one and i thing he should quite politic but the thing is if our beloved muslims brothered did not took side against there with a strangers and try to wipe the christans lebanese out no one would alliance with israel let not hide the fact and try to be totally blind about it hizballah is not better the geagea as he is dealing with the twits syrian to take over lebanon

    3. Beiruti Avatar

      No one offered help except Israel. PLO wouldn’t have mind to wipe all Christians out.

      1. shankarees Avatar
        shankarees

        I was displaced from my village, ancestral home and lost everything I owned at the hands of the PLO supported by Saa3ika (of Syria).  They went into many homes and killed people in their beds, the s.o.b. Palestinians under the devil Arafat.  Now, they are being punished in Gazza.  “Revenge is mine saith the Lord.”

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          All the stories should be recorded … perhaps in the way the Jewish people have. History needs to be complete.

          All can write their family history into Wikipedia …. freely.

        2. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          All the stories should be recorded … perhaps in the way the Jewish people have. History needs to be complete.

          All can write their family history into Wikipedia …. freely.

        3. Probably should NOT even refer to them as “palistinians”.  That just helps their  distortion of history and propaganda machine.  They have only been using that name since about the 1960’s before then and before 1948 they did want to be called “Palestinian” b/c they meant Jews. It is the third identity they tried to adopt, so far.

          A minority from around the Middle East went and conquered and has  lived in Israel for perhaps up to 1,000 years, but the majority were economic migrants to Israel from the 1920’s-1948 from all over the Middle East including from Lebanon, Syria, Turkey (a lot of Turks), Iraq, Egypt (Arafat) and north africa (hence family names such as Al-Masri and Moghrabi).  Then from 1948-1967 when Jordan, Egypt and Syria invaded and occupied places including Gaza, and West Bank (Judea and Samaria) they poured a lot more people into those areas.

        4.  Israelis are DUMB. Oh, if by “punished” in Gaza, you mean the new huge luxury Malls and the new expensive restaurants and touristy resorts and luxury hotels just opened, then yeah sure.   BTW there is plenty of food in Gaza.  Have you ever seen a starving, skinny Gazan?  I have seen starving people in Africa but never in Gaza.

          Do you know how many tons of “humanitarian aid”, food, supplies Israel every day and every week not only allows into Gaza but also contributes as well?  Recently, The PA government/Hamas in Gaza asked Israel to limit the number of trucks because they have too much already (mainly too much food which ends up spoiling).

          Did you know that Israel gives them lots of money, electricity and food? ISRAELIS ARE STUPID for supporting fiscally and substantively an enemy who wants to destroy her! Israelis are supporting the war against them.

        5.  Israelis are DUMB. Oh, if by “punished” in Gaza, you mean the new huge luxury Malls and the new expensive restaurants and touristy resorts and luxury hotels just opened, then yeah sure.   BTW there is plenty of food in Gaza.  Have you ever seen a starving, skinny Gazan?  I have seen starving people in Africa but never in Gaza.

          Do you know how many tons of “humanitarian aid”, food, supplies Israel every day and every week not only allows into Gaza but also contributes as well?  Recently, The PA government/Hamas in Gaza asked Israel to limit the number of trucks because they have too much already (mainly too much food which ends up spoiling).

          Did you know that Israel gives them lots of money, electricity and food? ISRAELIS ARE STUPID for supporting fiscally and substantively an enemy who wants to destroy her! Israelis are supporting the war against them.

        6. Beiruti Avatar

          I feel you shankarees, my two cousins were killed in 1976, my uncle was put on a wheel chair after being paralyzed in the “100 days war” with Syria. And my brothers wife, her whole family was displaced from the Chouf in 1983. I have many highschool friends who’ve i’ve never seen since 1976-1978 they either immigrated or they are dead. PLO crimes in Lebanon isnt even near the same scale as the Israeli crimes, all you have to do is look at the numbers. Israelis killed between 20,000- 30,000 people. PLO killed 100,000 and literally doubled the Israeli death toll in 1976 when they killed 40,000 Christians alone.

        7. Beiruti Avatar

          I feel you shankarees, my two cousins were killed in 1976, my uncle was put on a wheel chair after being paralyzed in the “100 days war” with Syria. And my brothers wife, her whole family was displaced from the Chouf in 1983. I have many highschool friends who’ve i’ve never seen since 1976-1978 they either immigrated or they are dead. PLO crimes in Lebanon isnt even near the same scale as the Israeli crimes, all you have to do is look at the numbers. Israelis killed between 20,000- 30,000 people. PLO killed 100,000 and literally doubled the Israeli death toll in 1976 when they killed 40,000 Christians alone.

        8. I am sorry to hear that.  The PLO’s favorite methods were very GRUESOME. They often used chainsaws and hacked up people one joint at a time. The sickos!  may your relatives and all their victims rest in peace.

      2. That’s right and Lebanon and Israeli could be great allies, again, but this time  on a more permanent basis.  Israel fully expected twice inthe past to have a real peace trety with Lebanon, from what I learned in my research.

        The only “stumbling block” to an enduring peace with Israel is Hezb’ullah.  The Hezzies would rather be war mongers and endanger Lebanese citizens.

        1. shankarees Avatar
          shankarees

          I love this “Hezzies”!!  I am going to start using it.  You’re so smart and funny!

      3. That’s right and Lebanon and Israeli could be great allies, again, but this time  on a more permanent basis.  Israel fully expected twice inthe past to have a real peace trety with Lebanon, from what I learned in my research.

        The only “stumbling block” to an enduring peace with Israel is Hezb’ullah.  The Hezzies would rather be war mongers and endanger Lebanese citizens.

      4. master09 Avatar

        They almost did but the other side have no problem with that. Keep the hate for Isreal to create fear. Why does Isreal need to invade Lebanon for our falafal. These radicals like HA keep the fear in people and  say you need us to protect you, but people can see the truth now and understand what HA wants from Lebanon.   

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          (Master09 et al)
            It’s the teaching that starts with: ‘God X is the only god. Any who believe in God Y should be eliminated, because if you don’t, they will eliminate you.’  Those who are XY or YX are marginalized, or used at times by the X’s and Y’s as useful idiots against the other side. Man’s irrational beliefs.
            These days we search using advanced science to try to find the ‘proofs’ . Yet those proofs will not prove the existence of God – it can only be research and discovery of historical moments and evidence that may have occurred as written in the ancient texts – which are a history of Humans, not Gods.
            And we certainly can track a history of various beliefs – Gods ‘A’ to ‘Z’ have been foremost at various times and in various places on the planet in Human History over recorded millennia. And all have been used by humans to create animosity and hate for those we do not like, and to raise the ‘spirit’ against the supposed ‘enemy’. Very seldom has it been used to promote what we call ‘love’ for all others.
            If the ‘PASSIONS’ of a human – those which we name as ‘love’, ‘hate’, ‘fear’, ‘desire’ and so on cannot be explained fully, but we know they exist in us, then why not ascribe this irrational belief in any God to the same realm, and say that God is found in the Spirit of Humans only – admit that it is only humans who do these ungodly things to each other – and recognize that pumping useless religious crap into people’s brains is the FIRST method one human finds as the way to control the others.
            The minds of the controlled have not often been allowed to be free to advance human development, and at times even the controllers have buried themselves in ignorance, creating Dark Ages of existence. (believe their own propaganda)
            Through history, we have seen the most horrible things done on this planet ‘in the name of God’, and the best things have come from minds which will not be controlled, and are allowed to be free to seek Him – for themselves.
            In the meantime, believe that the universe unfolds to the laws of scientific meaning, the planet on which we find what we call ‘life’ evolves to the same laws, and our evolution on it is the only miracle we have some proof of.
            We know what is ‘right’ and what is ‘wrong’ for us as humans – experience is the proof. Free the minds, people.

    4. Beiruti Avatar

      And stop relating to the past, Syria and Hezbollah were once fierce enemies, Amal and Hezbollah were also fierce enemies, everything has changed now hasn’t it? So whats wrong if Geagea is opposing Israel now? Why isnt Nasrallah opposing Syria? Cause he needs his arms. Didnt Geagea need his arms too? What you dont understand is most Lebanese Christians lost respect for Israel after they abandoned all their posts in the Chouf in 1983, i happily can say i spit on Israel. But they did help us, and no one else offered us help, im sure you would have done the same dont deny lol.

    5. shankarees Avatar
      shankarees

      Why the hell won’t you go to the South and kick the UN out and let Hizb2y*re rule you and protect you.  We don’t want those terrorists to speak for us.  If the Lebanese Army is not good enough, disband it.

      As for alliance with Israel, I’ll teach you what W. Churchill said about Nazi Germany, “We’ll ally with the devil to defeat Hitler” similarly “We’ll ally with the devil to roast Nasrallah and his gang of pigs.”

    6. plomca Avatar

      You know, it is the same old story with the likes of you – you are still stuck in the 90’s or civil war time. Lebanon’s unity is threaten by the likes like you, because this happen in the past by so and so and the country’s Armed Forces not strong enough.

      If you are Lebanese, first of all, get in with the times – it is 2011 and many Lebanese want to move forward and want peace. Secondly, be a man and stand up for the Lebanese solider. These young men and women are serving for you and all Lebanese people.

      The Lebanese Armed Forces did not task you to cry about the past. Even though they will lay down their life, so you can have freedom and even let you cry about the past (rolling their eyes – “Here is another one stuck in the past”).

    7. master09 Avatar

      Prophet why does Lebanon need to face Isreal  now? and why did they have to face them before?

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        master,
        I will end my contribution to this thread by this last comment. It all started with a little comment about Geagea, and as usual it turned out to be a discussion about Israel .
        The question should the other way around, why the Israeli aggression toward Lebanon? I don’t remember the last time Lebanon invaded north Israel. Maybe some one can remind me of the last time Lebanese air force violated Israeli airspace, or the last time Lebanese warships violated Israeli water? Or how many villages did Lebanon occupy and annexed?
        That being said, I don’t think, nor do I want Lebanon to face Israel for no reason. All I want is for Lebanon to be able to defend its people, territories, airspace, water, and sovereignty. Why do we have to be the weak one all the time? Why do we have to be dictated to by Israel or the international community when Lebanon has been the victim? It was not your fault or my fault that the PLO( WITH THE BELSSINGS OF OUR GREAT LEADERSHIP!!!) was allowed to operate from Lebanon. No one asked me as a southerner IF I wanted the PLO to make most of Lebanon a launching pad toward Israel. No one protected the south before the PLO was allowed to operate from Lebanon.
        What guarantees can the so called international community give Lebanon?
        Israel is a fact in the area, but we have no reason, nor any obligation to be friends. Israel needs to respect Lebanon, and its sovereignty, and withdraw from every inch of our territories, and then-and only then- I would agree with you that we don’t need to face each other, and a non aggression agreement could be signed. Being Neighbors does not mean we have to sleep together.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          I like to think that UNIFIL is the answer to that desired protection. You should support them, as well as the national army.
          As for sleeping together … well, some of those Israeli girls are almost as sexy as the Lebanese ones. 😉

        2. master09 Avatar

          Prophet
           Your comment had Isreal to blame for everything.
          Isreal fly over Lebanon because we have groups that threaten them on a daily basis.

          You fail to mention that We had groups like PLO at first that fired rockets over to Isreal, should Isreal shut up and do nothing.

          on June 6, Israeli ground forces crossed the border into Lebanon. The stated goals of the operation were to free northern Israel from PLO rocket attacks by creating a forty-kilometer-wide security zone in southern Lebanon and by signing a peace treaty with Lebanon.

          YOU SAY  ((Maybe some one can remind me of the last time Lebanese air force violated Israeli airspace, or the last time Lebanese warships violated Israeli water? Or how many villages did Lebanon occupy and annexed))
          They have groups who threaten thier right to live so they must keep a watchfull eye yes or no. They bombed these villages because rockets came over to Isreal now I am not saying that is OK but when you have a dog about to attack you, do you not protect yourself, you make it sound like a one way street. 

          Now we also have HA who threaten Isreal on a daily basis should they not keep thier eyes open 24/7
          I dont want to sleep with anyone, I just think if one side has rockets pointed towards it and openly we know why to wipe this country of the face of the earth, trust me I would be more agressive then the Isreals if that was happining to me.

          We all fail to go back to day one and see why one side has to be ready to protect itself. I dont care for Isreal or Syria or anyone for that matter .
           The point is No body asked me either about who makes these desicions in Lebanon, but the fact is Lebanon needs to respect Isreal as well this is not a one way street. why should Isreal respect Lebanon when it does not happen the other way.
          The army is not pointing guns at Isreal you have a state outside a state in Lebanon pointing these guns, If you where Isreal What would you do???? 
                

      2. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        master,
        I will end my contribution to this thread by this last comment. It all started with a little comment about Geagea, and as usual it turned out to be a discussion about Israel .
        The question should the other way around, why the Israeli aggression toward Lebanon? I don’t remember the last time Lebanon invaded north Israel. Maybe some one can remind me of the last time Lebanese air force violated Israeli airspace, or the last time Lebanese warships violated Israeli water? Or how many villages did Lebanon occupy and annexed?
        That being said, I don’t think, nor do I want Lebanon to face Israel for no reason. All I want is for Lebanon to be able to defend its people, territories, airspace, water, and sovereignty. Why do we have to be the weak one all the time? Why do we have to be dictated to by Israel or the international community when Lebanon has been the victim? It was not your fault or my fault that the PLO( WITH THE BELSSINGS OF OUR GREAT LEADERSHIP!!!) was allowed to operate from Lebanon. No one asked me as a southerner IF I wanted the PLO to make most of Lebanon a launching pad toward Israel. No one protected the south before the PLO was allowed to operate from Lebanon.
        What guarantees can the so called international community give Lebanon?
        Israel is a fact in the area, but we have no reason, nor any obligation to be friends. Israel needs to respect Lebanon, and its sovereignty, and withdraw from every inch of our territories, and then-and only then- I would agree with you that we don’t need to face each other, and a non aggression agreement could be signed. Being Neighbors does not mean we have to sleep together.

  8. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    What  army? Is this  guy  for  real?  Considering  his  history, What side would Geagea be on when the  army  faces  Israel? Some  people have no shame ,and have enough guts to insult  our intelligence  and  our  memory. YALEE ISTAHOO MATOO.
    Of all people,  this  guy  should be quiet when Israel is mentioned.He is the last  person on  earth to lecture us  on  how  to  protect  Lebanon  from Israel.
    The Lebanese army did not task Geagea to make an alliance with Israel either.

    1. if you are corner by a lion what would you do ?would you let him just eat you alive or you would do the impossible to save your sole iam not defending no one and i thing he should quite politic but the thing is if our beloved muslims brothered did not took side against there with a strangers and try to wipe the christans lebanese out no one would alliance with israel let not hide the fact and try to be totally blind about it hizballah is not better the geagea as he is dealing with the twits syrian to take over lebanon

  9. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    What  army? Is this  guy  for  real?  Considering  his  history, What side would Geagea be on when the  army  faces  Israel? Some  people have no shame ,and have enough guts to insult  our intelligence  and  our  memory. YALEE ISTAHOO MATOO.
    Of all people,  this  guy  should be quiet when Israel is mentioned.He is the last  person on  earth to lecture us  on  how  to  protect  Lebanon  from Israel.
    The Lebanese army did not task Geagea to make an alliance with Israel either.

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      No .. but if he’s part of the Central Government which is in control of the Army of the Country, then he’s right on this.

    2. if you are corner by a lion what would you do ?would you let him just eat you alive or you would do the impossible to save your sole iam not defending no one and i thing he should quite politic but the thing is if our beloved muslims brothered did not took side against there with a strangers and try to wipe the christans lebanese out no one would alliance with israel let not hide the fact and try to be totally blind about it hizballah is not better the geagea as he is dealing with the twits syrian to take over lebanon

    3.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      No one offered help except Israel. PLO wouldn’t have mind to wipe all Christians out.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        I was displaced from village, ancestral home and lost everything I owned at the hands of the PLO supported by Saa3ika (of Syria).  They went into many homes and killed people in their beds, the s.o.b. Palestinians under the devil Arafat.  Now, they are being punished in Gazza.  “Revenge is mine saith the Lord.”

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          All the stories should be recorded … perhaps in the way the Jewish people have. History needs to be complete.

        2. Probably should NOT even refer to them as “palistinians”.  That just helps their  distortion of history and propaganda machine.  They have only been using that name since about the 1960’s before then and before 1948 they did want to be called “Palestinian” b/c they meant Jews. It is the third identity they tried to adopt, so far.

          A minority from around the Middle East went and conquered and has  lived in Israel for perhaps up to 1,000 years, but the majority were economic migrants to Israel from the 1920’s-1948 from all over the Middle East including from Lebanon, Syria, Turkey (a lot of Turks), Iraq, Egypt (Arafat) and north africa (hence family names such as Al-Masri and Moghrabi).  Then from 1948-1967 when Jordan, Egypt and Syria invaded and occupied places including Gaza, and West Bank (Judea and Samaria) they poured a lot more people into those areas.

        3.  Israelis are DUMB. Oh, if by “punished” in Gaza, you mean the new huge luxury Malls and the new expensive restaurants and touristy resorts and luxury hotels just opened, then yeah sure.   BTW there is plenty of food in Gaza.  Have you ever seen a starving, skinny Gazan?  I have seen starving people in Africa but never in Gaza.

          Do you know how many tons of “humanitarian aid”, food, supplies Israel every day and every week not only allows into Gaza but also contributes as well?  Recently, The PA government/Hamas in Gaza asked Israel to limit the number of trucks because they have too much already (mainly too much food which ends up spoiling).

          Did you know that Israel gives them lots of money, electricity and food? ISRAELIS ARE STUPID for supporting fiscally and substantively an enemy who wants to destroy her! Israelis are supporting the war against them.

        4.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          I feel you shankarees, my two cousins were killed in 1976, my uncle was put on a wheel chair after being paralyzed in the “100 days war” with Syria. And my brothers wife, her whole family was displaced from the Chouf in 1983. I have many highschool friends who’ve i’ve never seen since 1976-1978 they either immigrated or they are dead. PLO crimes in Lebanon isnt even near the same scale as the Israeli crimes, all you have to do is look at the numbers. Israelis killed between 20,000- 30,000 people. PLO killed 100,000 and literally doubled the Israeli death toll in 1976 when they killed 40,000 Christians alone.

        5. I am sorry to hear that.  The PLO’s favorite methods were very GRUESOME. They often used chainsaws and hacked up people one joint at a time. The sickos!  may your relatives and all their victims rest in peace.

      2. That’s right and Lebanon and Israeli could be great allies, again, but this time  on a more permanent basis.  Israel fully expected twice inthe past to have a real peace trety with Lebanon, from what I learned in my research.

        The only “stumbling block” to an enduring peace with Israel is Hezb’ullah.  The Hezzies would rather be war mongers and endanger Lebanese citizens.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          I love this “Hezzies”!!  I am going to start using it.  You’re so smart and funny!

      3.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        They almost did but the other side have no problem with that. Keep the hate for Isreal to create fear. Why does Isreal need to invade Lebanon for our falafal. These radicals like HA keep the fear in people and  say you need us to protect you, but people can see the truth now and understand what HA wants from Lebanon.   

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          (Master09 et al)
            It’s the teaching that starts with: ‘God X is the only god. Any who believe in God Y should be eliminated, because if you don’t, they will eliminate you.’  Those who are XY or YX are marginalized, or used at times by the X’s and Y’s as useful idiots against the other side. Man’s irrational beliefs.
            These days we search using advanced science to try to find the ‘proofs’ . Yet those proofs will not prove the existence of God – it can only be research and discovery of historical moments and evidence that may have occurred as written in the ancient texts – which are a history of Humans, not Gods.
            And we certainly can track a history of various beliefs – Gods ‘A’ to ‘Z’ have been foremost at various times and in various places on the planet in Human History over recorded millennia. And all have been used by humans to create animosity and hate for those we do not like, and to raise the ‘spirit’ against the supposed ‘enemy’. Very seldom has it been used to promote what we call ‘love’ for all others.
            If the ‘PASSIONS’ of a human – those which we name as ‘love’, ‘hate’, ‘fear’, ‘desire’ and so on cannot be explained fully, but we know they exist in us, then why not ascribe this irrational belief in any God to the same realm, and say that God is found in the Spirit of Humans only – admit that it is only humans who do these ungodly things to each other – and recognize that pumping useless religious crap into people’s brains is the FIRST method one human finds as the way to control the others.
            The minds of the controlled have not often been allowed to be free to advance human development, and at times even the controllers have buried themselves in ignorance, creating Dark Ages of existence. (believe their own propaganda)
            Through history, we have seen the most horrible things done on this planet ‘in the name of God’, and the best things have come from minds which will not be controlled, and are allowed to be free to seek Him – for themselves.
            In the meantime, believe that the universe unfolds to the laws of scientific meaning, the planet on which we find what we call ‘life’ evolves to the same laws, and our evolution on it is the only miracle we have some proof of.
            We know what is ‘right’ and what is ‘wrong’ for us as humans – experience is the proof. Free the minds, people.

    4.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      And stop relating to the past, Syria and Hezbollah were once fierce enemies, Amal and Hezbollah were also fierce enemies, everything has changed now hasn’t it? So whats wrong if Geagea is opposing Israel now? Why isnt Nasrallah opposing Syria? Cause he needs his arms. Didnt Geagea need his arms too? What you dont understand is most Lebanese Christians lost respect for Israel after they abandoned all their posts in the Chouf in 1983, i happily can say i spit on Israel. But they did help us, and no one else offered us help, im sure you would have done the same dont deny lol.

    5.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Why the hell won’t you go to the South and kick the UN out and let Hizb2y*re rule you and protect you.  We don’t want those terrorists to speak for us.  If the Lebanese Army is not good enough, disband it.

      As for alliance with Israel, I’ll teach you what W. Churchill said about Nazi Germany, “We’ll ally with the devil to defeat Hitler” similarly “We’ll ally with the devil to roast Nasrallah and his gang of pigs.”

    6.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      You know, it is the same old story with the likes of you – you are still stuck in the 90’s or civil war time. Lebanon’s unity is threaten by the likes like you, because this happen in the past by so and so and the country’s Armed Forces not strong enough.

      If you are Lebanese, first of all, get in with the times – it is 2011 and many Lebanese want to move forward and want peace. Secondly, be a man and stand up for the Lebanese solider. These young men and women are serving for you and all Lebanese people.

      The Lebanese Armed Forces did not task you to cry about the past. Even though they will lay down their life, so you can have freedom and even let you cry about the past (rolling their eyes – “Here is another one stuck in the past”).

    7.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Prophet why does Lebanon need to face Isreal  now? and why did they have to face them before?

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        master,

        I will end my contribution to this thread  by 
        this  last  comment. It all started  with a little 
        comment  about Geagea, and as  usual it turned  out to be a discussion about Israel
        .

        The question should  
        the other way around, why the Israeli aggression toward Lebanon?
        I don’t remember the last time Lebanon
        invaded north Israel.
        Maybe some one can remind me of the last time Lebanese air force violated Israeli
        airspace, or the last time Lebanese warships violated Israeli water? Or how
        many villages did Lebanon
        occupy and annexed?

        That being  said, I
        don’t think, nor  do I  want Lebanon to face  Israel 
        for  no  reason. All I want is for Lebanon
        to be able to defend its people, territories, airspace, water, and sovereignty.
        Why do we have to be the weak one all the time? Why do we have to be dictated
        to by Israel or   the international community when Lebanon
        has been the victim? It  was not  your 
        fault  or my  fault that the PLO( WITH  THE BELSSINGS OF OUR  GREAT 
        LEADERSHIP!!!) was allowed  to
        operate  from  Lebanon. No one asked   me as a southerner IF I wanted the PLO to make
        most of Lebanon
        a launching pad toward Israel.
        No one protected the south before the PLO was allowed to operate from Lebanon.

        What guarantees can 
        the so  called international  community  
        give  Lebanon?

         Israel
        is a fact in the area, but we have no reason, nor any obligation to be friends.
        Israel needs  to respect  Lebanon, and  its  sovereignty,
        and withdraw  from  every inch 
        of  our territories, and then-and
        only then- I  would  agree with 
        you that we  don’t  need to face 
        each  other, and  a non  aggression
        agreement could be signed. Being Neighbors does not mean we have to sleep
        together.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          I like to think that UNIFIL is the answer to that desired protection. You should support them, as well as the national army.
          As for sleeping together … well, some of those Israeli girls are almost as sexy as the Lebanese ones. 😉

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Prophet
           Your comment had Isreal to blame for everything.
          Isreal fly over Lebanon because we have groups that threaten them on a daily basis.

          You fail to mention that We had groups like PLO at first that fired rockets over to Isreal, should Isreal shut up and do nothing.

          on June 6, Israeli ground forces crossed the border into Lebanon. The stated goals of the operation were to free northern Israel from PLO rocket attacks by creating a forty-kilometer-wide security zone in southern Lebanon and by signing a peace treaty with Lebanon.

          YOU SAY  ((Maybe some one can remind me of the last time Lebanese air force violated Israeli airspace, or the last time Lebanese warships violated Israeli water? Or how many villages did Lebanon occupy and annexed))
          They have groups who threaten thier right to live so they must keep a watchfull eye yes or no. They bombed these villages because rockets came over to Isreal now I am not saying that is OK but when you have a dog about to attack you, do you not protect yourself, you make it sound like a one way street. 

          Now we also have HA who threaten Isreal on a daily basis should they not keep thier eyes open 24/7
          I dont want to sleep with anyone, I just think if one side has rockets pointed towards it and openly we know why to wipe this country of the face of the earth, trust me I would be more agressive then the Isreals if that was happining to me.

          We all fail to go back to day one and see why one side has to be ready to protect itself. I dont care for Isreal or Syria or anyone for that matter .
           The point is No body asked me either about who makes these desicions in Lebanon, but the fact is Lebanon needs to respect Isreal as well this is not a one way street. why should Isreal respect Lebanon when it does not happen the other way.
          The army is not pointing guns at Isreal you have a state outside a state in Lebanon pointing these guns, If you where Isreal What would you do???? 
                

  10. antar2011 Avatar
    antar2011

    seems like you guys will hold anything against anyone regardless if this person has repented or not….

    what he is saying is correct, lebanese army is who should protect us from zionist attacks not irani led militia hiding behind the rhetoric of the resistance.

    and of course the lebanese army needs lots of training and so…but all HA did was make sure that training and equipment does not get to the lebanese army.

    with the UNIFL in the south, the lebanese army has a golden opportunity to be trained properly but it cannot do that when HA and keeps arming itself and throwing warning here and there and getting lebanon involved in a war it has nothing to do with.

    Note; if we are going to attack anyone because of the “sins’ they acquired during the civil war then we should not stop at Geagea, we should do that to everyone else…but that should have been over by 1990….

    i just wish we should get over it and deal with what he have at the present time….and what we have is something all of lebanese should be united with and that is, to deal with HA’s militia arms in a way that benefits our beloved country.

    1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
      Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

      We really, really, really don’t want to take over Lebanon.

      1. 7akibalash Avatar
        7akibalash

        it’s a losing battle, rarely does a brainwashed person break his own chains. only a moron would think Israel wants lebanese territory. there are groups(war lords) who gain their legitimacy amongst some of the people with war mongering and keeping the population scared ” the zionist monster is hell bent on taking your land, so you need us to protect you from him”<<< their logos are so predictable, but not to those who have been raised like mushrooms(grown in the dark and fed shit).

      2. antar2011 Avatar
        antar2011

        and who is “we” here?

        zionists?

        oh do not worry zionists won’t have a chance to take over, if Allah Wills so.

      3. antar2011 Avatar
        antar2011

        and who is “we” here?

        zionists?

        oh do not worry zionists won’t have a chance to take over, if Allah Wills so.

  11. antar2011 Avatar
    antar2011

    seems like you guys will hold anything against anyone regardless if this person has repented or not….

    what he is saying is correct, lebanese army is who should protect us from zionist attacks not irani led militia hiding behind the rhetoric of the resistance.

    and of course the lebanese army needs lots of training and so…but all HA did was make sure that training and equipment does not get to the lebanese army.

    with the UNIFL in the south, the lebanese army has a golden opportunity to be trained properly but it cannot do that when HA and keeps arming itself and throwing warning here and there and getting lebanon involved in a war it has nothing to do with.

    Note; if we are going to attack anyone because of the “sins’ they acquired during the civil war then we should not stop at Geagea, we should do that to everyone else…but that should have been over by 1990….

    i just wish we should get over it and deal with what he have at the present time….and what we have is something all of lebanese should be united with and that is, to deal with HA’s militia arms in a way that benefits our beloved country.

  12.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    seems like you guys will hold anything against anyone regardless if this person has repented or not….

    what he is saying is correct, lebanese army is who should protect us from zionist attacks not irani led militia hiding behind the rhetoric of the resistance.

    and of course the lebanese army needs lots of training and so…but all HA did was make sure that training and equipment does not get to the lebanese army.

    with the UNIFL in the south, the lebanese army has a golden opportunity to be trained properly but it cannot do that when HA and keeps arming itself and throwing warning here and there and getting lebanon involved in a war it has nothing to do with.

    Note; if we are going to attack anyone because of the “sins’ they acquired during the civil war then we should not stop at Geagea, we should do that to everyone else…but that should have been over by 1990….

    i just wish we should get over it and deal with what he have at the present time….and what we have is something all of lebanese should be united with and that is, to deal with HA’s militia arms in a way that benefits our beloved country.

    1. We really, really, really don’t want to take over Lebanon.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        it’s a losing battle, rarely does a brainwashed person break his own chains. only a moron would think Israel wants lebanese territory. there are groups(war lords) who gain their legitimacy amongst some of the people with war mongering and keeping the population scared ” the zionist monster is hell bent on taking your land, so you need us to protect you from him”<<< their logos are so predictable, but not to those who have been raised like mushrooms(grown in the dark and fed shit).

      2.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        and who is “we” here?

        zionists?

        oh do not worry zionists won’t have a chance to take over, if Allah Wills so.

  13. Leborigine Avatar
    Leborigine

    Considering that he was an ally of israel at one stage, at least he has Lebanon and its army at heart. Let me see now if HA and amal have enough guts to protect us against syria and iran; of course not, you never bite the hand that feeds you.
    As I have said before, when these bastards protect Lebanon from all its enemies, then we might have a chance uniting this blessed country.
    BTW, there is nothing wrong having israel as an ally, when some groups are allowed to ally themselves with syria, iran or plo, they are as much as an enemy to Lebanon as israel!

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      Leb, 
      You need to  distinguish between Israel and  Syria .I’m not  justifying   any  one allying themselves with  Syria as a party  or  sect, but equating between Syria and Israel is way  out of line. That  goes  to  prove the point I tried to make in  my  lengthily  comment, that We  need  a strong state that  has the ability  to defend  all Lebanese,along with a national  identity  that  can relate  us  all together ,where  we  can  agree an who is a friend and  who is a foe.The regime in Syria aside, Syrians and Lebanese have same  history, same language,and both  societies are  connected  in  so many  ways that  can’t  be said  about  Lebanese and Israelis.

      1. Beiruti Avatar

        “equating between Syria and Israel is way out of line”- really on what basis prophet?

        Thousands of Lebanese missing in Syrian prisons.
        20 Lebanese missing in Israeli prisons.

        Syria until now interfering daily with our politics, before they were killing people that didn’t suit their politics. 
        Hariri, Bachir & Pierre Amine Gemayel, Kamal Jumblatt, Hassan Khaled, Gebran Tueni, Wassam Eid, Samir Kassir,Ramzi Irani and the list goes on by those murdered by the hands of Syria.

        People killed by Israel; Abbas Musawi, Hobeika, Imad Mugnieh and probably more but nothing compared to Syria. 

        Israeli occupation: 18 Years
        Syrian occupation: 30 years.

        “Syrians and Lebanese have same  history, same language,and both  societies are  connected  in  so many  ways that  can’t  be said  about  Lebanese and Israelis”.

         What is that supposed to mean? Were supposed to respect another country because they speak the same language as us? And have the same history? Excuse me did you forget the Gulf War? Iraqi people are the same as Kuwaiti people the only difference is Britain came in 1961 and put a line between land. Didn’t Saddam Hussein still savage the Kuwaiti people, torture hundreds of Kuwaitis? Set all their oil wells on fire? Oh but wait they have the same history and language.

        A Lebanese cant respect another Lebanese, and we have the same history. And to respect Syria because they have the same history and language? If not respect have more pity towards them than Israel? Same shit different smell. Im sorry as i remember before the civil war there was no problem with Israel either, i had neighbors that used to drive from Beirut to Jerusalem once a year no problem and my uncle used to drive to Damascus every month. 

        Iran: Persian
        Israel: Hebrew
        Both dont speak Arabic so at the same time if its supposed to be about history, the Persians have a different history to, yet we have half the country allying with Iran. You make it sound as whoever allied with Israel was allying with the devil. Iran once allied with Israel to, Israel used to supply Iran in the Iraq-Iran war, what do you say about that? Were the Persians also allying with the enemies? Yes.

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Beiruti,
          Also 8  people of my family  were  killed by Israel, two of them  in  the  40’s.  Thousands of Lebanese have been  killed by  Israel, hundreds of  towns  were destroyed, hundreds of  thousands  had to  leave (including  me) their  homes and  towns  because of Israeli  aggression.Most  of these  happened  before the 82 invasion anyways. I’m not  talking about 2006  war  either.
          With due  respect  to all the  people that  you say  Syria killed( and i’m not  confirming  , nor denying  ), they  are  not  more important than my  family.All humans are the same.  Any  lose of life is  as important regardless of the status of the person.
          As for your claim that (as i remember before the civil war there was no problem with Israel either, ) you need to read  your own  history  better. Just  google  massacres of Israel in  Lebanon  in the 40’s and 50’s , you will realize that  you as alebanese   were living  in a different  Lebanon than the one I  grew up  in. I  grew  up within eye sight of the border, and remember spending  sleepless nights in  shelter( again before the PLO came into Lebanon)
          please read your  history  better.You  just  proved my  point that  our  state  had ignored the fact that  south Lebanon was part of the country ,to the point  where Lebanese , like  you,  don’t  know their  history.
          If you want to accuse me of ranting about the past, go right ahead.  We are  living  an on going  past.

      2. Beiruti Avatar

        Im really sorry for your loses Prophet and it has become quite obvious that people are against which killed there own, and theres no problem with that. If you had family members killed by the PLO your views would be different. By the way what are the names of those massacres? I am actually interested to read about it. What region are you from in the south?

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Beiruti,
          My lose is  as important as  any one’s loss in Lebanon. I know many  people who lost  their lives to the PLO  and to the  warlords of the ugly  civil  wars. All of these  people are  important.The  reason  I mention my  personal tale , was to  highlight the fact that  Israel  had  killed many  Lebanese way  before the PLO  came to Lebanon,and definitely  not  to claim that  my loose was greater than  any other lebanese   killed  by  whoever,and definitely  before the Iranian  revolution or the  creation  of  HA.
          I WAS IN NO WAY SHOWING DISREGARD TO THOSE KILLED BY SYRIANS ,or the PLO. I’m Humanist,and I Respect human lives, regardless of race, religion , or nationality.
          As  for massacres, google  hula massacre, 1948, Aytaroon massacre, in the 70’s Bint jbeil massacre 69,  70, 75,(not  mentioning 2006)  Adloun massacre. Here  are  few I  thought of  now.
          All of these  took place before   HA  was  even conceived. My  point  is that  our  problems  didn’t  start with  HA, but HA  was a result  of failure of Lebanon, Arab states, and international  community .
          I was born in Bint Jbeil, left  Lebanon in 83.I’ve only been  back briefly, few times since I  left.
          At the  end of  day, we  should look  to  the day  where the government  is  strong  enough to defend the nation.

      3. antar2011 Avatar
        antar2011

        why would syrian Assad be different ans thus not comparable to zionist when everything he did is almost exactly the same as the zionists next door?

        whay can’t we put the two in the same basket?
        both killed innocents.
        both arrested and tortured innocents.
        both out innocents in prison for a lot of yrs that many had died there.
        both did not tell their families where and what they did with thei loved ones.
        both had played the game of divide and conquer..

        so why are they different and not comparable?

        i had more then three family members killed on the hands of the syrian regime, whereas none on the hands of the zionist, does that make the syrian and the zionist not comparable?. of course not.
        both are in the same basket.

        1.  Prophet, with all due repesct,  you need to remember the CONTEXT.  Any Lebanese killed by Israel in 1948 (and yes they did kill some Lebanese)  were killed in a war that Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt and Syria waged against Israel.  Israel didn’t attack, they counter-attacked.

          The difference between Israel and Syria, Iran  and Iraq (Iraq vs Kuwait)  is that Syria and Iraq want or wanted to dominate and attacked Kuwat and repeatedly Lebanon FIRST.  Lebanese fighting against PLO, Syrians were a REACTION to PLO/Syrian agression, whereas Israeli raids were a result not only of the war waged against it but also a reaction to the attacks by some Lebanese of Israeli farmers and school children across the border from 1948-1982+.

          So you are right, they were some ISraeli attacks BEFORE the PLO.  BUT, they were a REACTION to attacks LIKE the PLO against Israel, in the first place.

          So, despite this all, Israel agreed-I believe sincerely- to help out the Lebanese when invited in 1982.  Now, I beleive that Israel helped Lebanese maybe for 50% because they really wanted to help and 50% for their own interests. Remember the cross-border attacks against Israel?  They wanted to them to stop.

          The cross border attacks against Israel were the reason why they occupied a strip of southern Lebanon and stayed until 2000, creating what they believed to be a security buffer (that means that the Israeli farmers and schools were now out of range).  Do you really think that the mighty Israeli army wanted to occupy all of Lebanon?  If they wanted to, instead of a strip in the south, they easily could have.

        2. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
          Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

          Are you actually comparing us to Assad? Have you ever visited the planet Earth?

      4. Leborigine Avatar
        Leborigine

        Prophet, we have on a number of occasions discussed this same issue, but I am sorry to say that I disagree with you in regards to equating syria and israel. I agree with building a strong state that has the ability to defend the whole nation with a strong national identity. I’m pretty sure everyone here does.
        I agree that we have a lot of similarities with the syrians, but this does not give the syrian regime the right to abuse and disrespect our sovereignty. As I have mentioned in my earlier posts, the syrians and the plo have killed and tortured a number of my direct cousins in the Shouf region and my mums family in 3akkar. How do you expect me to look at them in any other way besides enemies. From all the people that I know, no one has had any member of their families killed by the israelis besides yourself (I am pretty sure there are a lot, but I do not know any), but all the Lebanese that I know has lost someone to the plo or the syrians, especially my mother who lost 6 cousins fighting the plo and the syrians in the north.
        You know, the early revolutionary Americans allied themselves with the Red Indians to defeat the British army and win independance through George Washington, the newly so called Americans and the British were cousins and brothers, the British were their ancestors for crying out loud, and yet the Americans allied with the Red Indians, and in Canada with the French against their ancestors!! What I am trying to say is that the similiraties that we may have with syria mean nothing to me, I see, talk and react to a syrian the same way I would to an israeli.
        Prophet, it is very obvious that we sit on different sides of the fence, but I am sure that I and most bloggers here can and will push US/israel/KSA to one side as long as plo/syria/iran are pushed away equally to the other side.
        Those people including yourself who have had members of their family killed by the israeli have to respect equally these people like myself who have had members of their families killed by the plo and syrians and understand our hate /position as well. 

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Beiruti,
          I respect your opinion on the Syria/Israel issue, and I accept the fact that we disagree as well, but  I want to assure you that I’ve never condoned any of the actions and  abuses  inflicted  on  Lebanon and Lebanese  by the Syrians. As a matter of  fact , My criticism of  Syrian  presence and abuse  has been made 
          many  times  on this  page. The pain inflicted by  both Syria has  reached  my family(17 year old  nephiew,86 return  of  Syrian army into west  Beirut) and other families that  I’m close to.
          My approach has always been by looking at the big picture.We have to get beyond our grievances, and don’t let hate control   our views. It is always s easier to hate than to love. I, for once, have no hate toward individual Israelis or Jews. My issues are with Israel as an illegal and aggressive state. I have learned not to hate people for who they are. Maybe My  long  stay in the west helped  me   get rid of the complications that we  Lebanese  usually carry  with us where ever  we go.
          All Lebanese  suffered  one way  or  another , many  people lost their  lives for no  reason, whether because of Syrian domination, Israeli aggression,PLO abuse, and  worst  by  Lebanese militias and warlords( despise all of them ). I truly  believe that  Lebanese  have to come to  terms with  their  differences,and do away  with  those fences. With all differences, I don’t consider myself on the other side of the fence, especially knowing you are from the Shouf. The Shouf had always been my families save heaven starting 1969, and throughout the seventies. This is where my father’s friendships landed us when the south was in trouble. Every time we moved there, I felt at home, and until this day, I visit old friends in the Iqleem, when I’m in Lebanon.

      5. 7akibalash Avatar
        7akibalash

        Two officers were responsible for the hula massacre. One of them, first lieutenant Shmuel Lahis, who served as Company Commander, was brought to justice in an Israeli military court
        “When I asked him why he had done this, the officer answered that this was ‘his revenge for the murder of his best friends in the [Haifa] refineries’.”

        funny shit how people always see their side and their side alone.

        has lebanon or any other arab country ever prosecuted anyone who committed atrocities against Israelis? the answer is no

        so lebanon declared war against israel in 1948, Israel responded(defended itself) and some shit happened, who is the responsible party? blame the lebanese government (or the arabs at the time for forcing the lebanese into the war) cause they are the ones who invited this onto your relatives or friends or whatever. just like you shouldnt blame Israel for defending itself in 2006, a sane person would blame zabrallah for starting the war. 
        nevermind that the arabs did some serious cleansing of jewish towns they captured back in 48, but you want to cry cause you only see your side…. wake up open your eyes and stop being such a brainwashed donkey.

        1. You are very wise, 7akibalash .  Now if just a majority would open their eyes , as well, the world and even the entire Levant region would be a much better place.

      6. Beiruti Avatar

        I am not originally from the Chouf but i do have a house there, i was born in Furn el Chebbak but most of my family lived in the Chouf so i became very familiar with the area. I strongly agree with you on many of your points, i always thought you were a supporter of Syria on this site, so now i know you are not. If you read books on the civil war one of the main points is that the Lebanese Civil War is the only war were every group/militia (or at least most of the groups) were allies and enemies and different parts of the war. Lets face it 30%- 40% of the Christians were left wing, SSNP, LCP for Gods sake George Hawi a Greek Orthodox was one of the leaders of the Chouf massacres along with Jumblatt. When Geagea faught against Hobeika on January 15,1986 and attacked Hobeika’s headquarters, 600 Lebanese Forces militiamen were killed on that one day people of the same party, same uniforms were killing each other. I will cleanly admit to you that Geagea is no angel, even though what they accused him of to put him in jail was a lie, there was no evidence to prove that he did the church bombing killing 9 worshipers, and there wasnt much proof for the political assassinations which said to be him. Maybe Franjieh but not Chamoun. But i am happy what Geagea is doing nowadays, Geagea has even gained a lot of popularity among the Sunni community. Christian Nationalism in Lebanon? All i have to say is Safra Massacre. 81 killed that day, because Bachir wanted to “Unite” the Tigers, he seemed to forget they were fighting the same enemy “The PLO”. Dont get me wrong i liked Bachir because he had good plans, but at first i couldnt stand him. Christians arent the only ones all you have to say is the Shiites inter sectarian war, some of the wildest weapons Hezbollah used on Amal, and when the women came on the streets to stop the fighting they fired on the women also. There is no such thing in Lebanon as religion unity, in Lebanon its called interest unity, because we know well if there was religion unity in Lebanon it would still be Christian till this day. Its people who lead the interests and religion is the extra. Time will tell.

      7. master09 Avatar

        But we can change that for the better, we are neighbours should we stay like cats and dogs? Jew or not Jew we can still live beside each other and with no war, that would be nice. Has Syria not hurt Lebanon before and is now .There is no distinguishing anything Syria robbed Lebanon and controlled it for how long?. Our friends hurt Lebanon more than anyone else. Syria for 30 years I lived in it they used to do so much to the Christians and not nice things either, we lived like dogs.

        1. ,Absolutely right.   Now, according to reports a soldier on the southern border opened fire on the Israelis across the border ….even on Ramadan, he does this.   The Israelis fired back wounding him.  Was he acting alone or was it a Hezb’ullah order trying to create more havoc, endanger more Lebanese citizens and distract the world from Assad’s slaughter of innocents?   Let’s face it, the “hezzies” are worried that if the Assad regime falls there goes half of their support.

  14. Leborigine Avatar
    Leborigine

    Considering that he was an ally of israel at one stage, at least he has Lebanon and its army at heart. Let me see now if HA and amal have enough guts to protect us against syria and iran; of course not, you never bite the hand that feeds you.
    As I have said before, when these bastards protect Lebanon from all its enemies, then we might have a chance uniting this blessed country.
    BTW, there is nothing wrong having israel as an ally, when some groups are allowed to ally themselves with syria, iran or plo, they are as much as an enemy to Lebanon as israel!

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      Leb, 
      You need to  distinguish between Israel and  Syria .I’m not  justifying   any  one allying themselves with  Syria as a party  or  sect, but equating between Syria and Israel is way  out of line. That  goes  to  prove the point I tried to make in  my  lengthily  comment, that We  need  a strong state that  has the ability  to defend  all Lebanese,along with a national  identity  that  can relate  us  all together ,where  we  can  agree an who is a friend and  who is a foe.The regime in Syria aside, Syrians and Lebanese have same  history, same language,and both  societies are  connected  in  so many  ways that  can’t  be said  about  Lebanese and Israelis.

      1. Beiruti Avatar

        Im really sorry for your loses Prophet and it has become quite obvious that people are against which killed there own, and theres no problem with that. If you had family members killed by the PLO your views would be different. By the way what are the names of those massacres? I am actually interested to read about it. What region are you from in the south?

      2. antar2011 Avatar
        antar2011

        why would syrian Assad be different ans thus not comparable to zionist when everything he did is almost exactly the same as the zionists next door?

        whay can’t we put the two in the same basket?
        both killed innocents.
        both arrested and tortured innocents.
        both out innocents in prison for a lot of yrs that many had died there.
        both did not tell their families where and what they did with thei loved ones.
        both had played the game of divide and conquer..

        so why are they different and not comparable?

        i had more then three family members killed on the hands of the syrian regime, whereas none on the hands of the zionist, does that make the syrian and the zionist not comparable?. of course not.
        both are in the same basket.

      3. Leborigine Avatar
        Leborigine

        Prophet, we have on a number of occasions discussed this same issue, but I am sorry to say that I disagree with you in regards to equating syria and israel. I agree with building a strong state that has the ability to defend the whole nation with a strong national identity. I’m pretty sure everyone here does.
        I agree that we have a lot of similarities with the syrians, but this does not give the syrian regime the right to abuse and disrespect our sovereignty. As I have mentioned in my earlier posts, the syrians and the plo have killed and tortured a number of my direct cousins in the Shouf region and my mums family in 3akkar. How do you expect me to look at them in any other way besides enemies. From all the people that I know, no one has had any member of their families killed by the israelis besides yourself (I am pretty sure there are a lot, but I do not know any), but all the Lebanese that I know has lost someone to the plo or the syrians, especially my mother who lost 6 cousins fighting the plo and the syrians in the north.
        You know, the early revolutionary Americans allied themselves with the Red Indians to defeat the British army and win independance through George Washington, the newly so called Americans and the British were cousins and brothers, the British were their ancestors for crying out loud, and yet the Americans allied with the Red Indians, and in Canada with the French against their ancestors!! What I am trying to say is that the similiraties that we may have with syria mean nothing to me, I see, talk and react to a syrian the same way I would to an israeli.
        Prophet, it is very obvious that we sit on different sides of the fence, but I am sure that I and most bloggers here can and will push US/israel/KSA to one side as long as plo/syria/iran are pushed away equally to the other side.
        Those people including yourself who have had members of their family killed by the israeli have to respect equally these people like myself who have had members of their families killed by the plo and syrians and understand our hate /position as well. 

      4. 7akibalash Avatar
        7akibalash

        Two officers were responsible for the hula massacre. One of them, first lieutenant Shmuel Lahis, who served as Company Commander, was brought to justice in an Israeli military court
        “When I asked him why he had done this, the officer answered that this was ‘his revenge for the murder of his best friends in the [Haifa] refineries’.”

        funny shit how people always see their side and their side alone.

        has lebanon or any other arab country ever prosecuted anyone who committed atrocities against Israelis? the answer is no

        so lebanon declared war against israel in 1948, Israel responded(defended itself) and some shit happened, who is the responsible party? blame the lebanese government (or the arabs at the time for forcing the lebanese into the war) cause they are the ones who invited this onto your relatives or friends or whatever. just like you shouldnt blame Israel for defending itself in 2006, a sane person would blame zabrallah for starting the war. 
        nevermind that the arabs did some serious cleansing of jewish towns they captured back in 48, but you want to cry cause you only see your side…. wake up open your eyes and stop being such a brainwashed donkey.

  15.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Considering that he was an ally of israel at one stage, at least he has Lebanon and its army at heart. Let me see now if HA and amal have enough guts to protect us against syria and iran; of course not, you never bite the hand that feeds you.
    As I have said before, when these bastards protect Lebanon from all its enemies, then we might have a chance uniting this blessed country.
    BTW, there is nothing wrong having israel as an ally, when some groups are allowed to ally themselves with syria, iran or plo, they are as much as an enemy to Lebanon as israel!

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      Leb, 
      You need to  distinguish between Israel and  Syria .I’m not  justifying   any  one allying themselves with  Syria as a party  or  sect, but equating between Syria and Israel is way  out of line. That  goes  to  prove the point I tried to make in  my  lengthily  comment, that We  need  a strong state that  has the ability  to defend  all Lebanese,along with a national  identity  that  can relate  us  all together ,where  we  can  agree an who is a friend and  who is a foe.The regime in Syria aside, Syrians and Lebanese have same  history, same language,and both  societies are  connected  in  so many  ways that  can’t  be said  about  Lebanese and Israelis.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        “equating between Syria and Israel is way out of line”- really on what basis prophet?

        Thousands of Lebanese missing in Syrian prisons.
        20 Lebanese missing in Israeli prisons.

        Syria until now interfering daily with our politics, before they were killing people that didn’t suit their politics. 
        Hariri, Bachir & Pierre Amine Gemayel, Kamal Jumblatt, Hassan Khaled, Gebran Tueni, Wassam Eid, Samir Kassir,Ramzi Irani and the list goes on by those murdered by the hands of Syria.

        People killed by Israel; Abbas Musawi, Hobeika, Imad Mugnieh and probably more but nothing compared to Syria. 

        Israeli occupation: 18 Years
        Syrian occupation: 30 years.

        “Syrians and Lebanese have same  history, same language,and both  societies are  connected  in  so many  ways that  can’t  be said  about  Lebanese and Israelis”.

         What is that supposed to mean? Were supposed to respect another country because they speak the same language as us? And have the same history? Excuse me did you forget the Gulf War? Iraqi people are the same as Kuwaiti people the only difference is Britain came in 1961 and put a line between land. Didn’t Saddam Hussein still savage the Kuwaiti people, torture hundreds of Kuwaitis? Set all their oil wells on fire? Oh but wait they have the same history and language.

        A Lebanese cant respect another Lebanese, and we have the same history. And to respect Syria because they have the same history and language? If not respect have more pity towards them than Israel? Same shit different smell. Im sorry as i remember before the civil war there was no problem with Israel either, i had neighbors that used to drive from Beirut to Jerusalem once a year no problem and my uncle used to drive to Damascus every month. 

        Iran: Persian
        Israel: Hebrew
        Both dont speak Arabic so at the same time if its supposed to be about history, the Persians have a different history to, yet we have half the country allying with Iran. You make it sound as whoever allied with Israel was allying with the devil. Iran once allied with Israel to, Israel used to supply Iran in the Iraq-Iran war, what do you say about that? Were the Persians also allying with the enemies? Yes.

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Beiruti,
          Also 8  people of my family  were  killed by Israel, two of them  in  the  40’s.  Thousands of Lebanese have been  killed by  Israel, hundreds of  towns  were destroyed, hundreds of  thousands  had to  leave (including  me) their  homes and  towns  because of Israeli  aggression.Most  of these  happened  before the 82 invasion anyways. I’m not  talking about 2006  war  either.
          With due  respect  to all the  people that  you say  Syria killed( and i’m not  confirming  , nor denying  ), they  are  not  more important than my  family.All humans are the same.  Any  lose of life is  as important regardless of the status of the person.
          As for your claim that (as i remember before the civil war there was no problem with Israel either, ) you need to read  your own  history  better. Just  google  massacres of Israel in  Lebanon  in the 40’s and 50’s , you will realize that  you as alebanese   were living  in a different  Lebanon than the one I  grew up  in. I  grew  up within eye sight of the border, and remember spending  sleepless nights in  shelter( again before the PLO came into Lebanon)
          please read your  history  better.You  just  proved my  point that  our  state  had ignored the fact that  south Lebanon was part of the country ,to the point  where Lebanese , like  you,  don’t  know their  history.
          If you want to accuse me of ranting about the past, go right ahead.  We are  living  an on going  past.

      2.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Im really sorry for your loses Prophet and it has become quite obvious that people are against which killed there own, and theres no problem with that. If you had family members killed by the PLO your views would be different. By the way what are the names of those massacres? I am actually interested to read about it. What region are you from in the south?

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Beiruti,
          My lose is  as important as  any one’s loss in Lebanon. I know many  people who lost  their lives to the PLO  and to the  warlords of the ugly  civil  wars. All of these  people are  important.The  reason  I mention my  personal tale , was to  highlight the fact that  Israel  had  killed many  Lebanese way  before the PLO  came to Lebanon,and definitely  not  to claim that  my loose was greater than  any other lebanese   killed  by  whoever,and definitely  before the Iranian  revolution or the  creation  of  HA.
          I WAS IN NO WAY SHOWING DISREGARD TO THOSE KILLED BY SYRIANS ,or the PLO. I’m Humanist,and I Respect human lives, regardless of race, religion , or nationality.
          As  for massacres, google  hula massacre, 1948, Aytaroon massacre, in the 70’s Bint jbeil massacre 69,  70, 75,(not  mentioning 2006)  Adloun massacre. Here  are  few I  thought of  now.
          All of these  took place before   HA  was  even conceived. My  point  is that  our  problems  didn’t  start with  HA, but HA  was a result  of failure of Lebanon, Arab states, and international  community .
          I was born in Bint Jbeil, left  Lebanon in 83.I’ve only been  back briefly, few times since I  left.
          At the  end of  day, we  should look  to  the day  where the government  is  strong  enough to defend the nation.

      3.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        why would syrian Assad be different ans thus not comparable to zionist when everything he did is almost exactly the same as the zionists next door?

        whay can’t we put the two in the same basket?
        both killed innocents.
        both arrested and tortured innocents.
        both out innocents in prison for a lot of yrs that many had died there.
        both did not tell their families where and what they did with thei loved ones.
        both had played the game of divide and conquer..

        so why are they different and not comparable?

        1.  Prophet, with all due repesct,  you need to remember the CONTEXT.  Any Lebanese killed by Israel in 1948 (and yes they did kill some Lebanese)  were killed in a war that Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt and Syria waged against Israel.  Israel didn’t attack, they counter-attacked.

          The difference between Israel and Syria, Iran  and Iraq (Iraq vs Kuwait)  is that Syria and Iraq want or wanted to dominate and attacked Kuwat and repeatedly Lebanon FIRST.  Lebanese fighting against PLO, Syrians were a REACTION to PLO/Syrian agression, whereas Israeli raids were a result not only of the war waged against it but also a reaction to the attacks by some Lebanese of Israeli farmers and school children across the border from 1948-1982+.

          So you are right, they were some ISraeli attacks BEFORE the PLO.  BUT, they were a REACTION to attacks LIKE the PLO against Israel, in the first place.

          So, despite this all, Israel agreed-I believe sincerely- to help out the Lebanese when invited in 1982.  Now, I beleive that Israel helped Lebanese maybe for 50% because they really wanted to help and 50% for their own interests. Remember the cross-border attacks against Israel?  They wanted to them to stop.

          The cross border attacks against Israel were the reason why they occupied a strip of southern Lebanon and stayed until 2000, creating what they believed to be a security buffer (that means that the Israeli farmers and schools were now out of range).  Do you really think that the mighty Israeli army wanted to occupy all of Lebanon?  If they wanted to, instead of a strip in the south, they easily could have.

        2. Are you actually comparing us to Assad? Have you ever visited the planet Earth?

      4.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Prophet, we have on a number of occasions discussed this same issue, but I am sorry to say that I disagree with you in regards to equating syria and israel. I agree with building a strong state that has the ability to defend the whole nation with a strong national identity. I’m pretty sure everyone here does.
        I agree that we have a lot of similarities with the syrians, but this does not give the syrian regime the right to abuse and disrespect our sovereignty. As I have mentioned in my earlier posts, the syrians and the plo have killed and tortured a number of my direct cousins in the Shouf region and my mums family in 3akkar. How do you expect me to look at them in any other way besides enemies. From all the people that I know, no one has had any member of their families killed by the israelis besides yourself (I am pretty sure there are a lot, but I do not know any), but all the Lebanese that I know has lost someone to the plo or the syrians, especially my mother who lost 6 cousins fighting the plo and the syrians in the north.
        You know, the early revolutionary Americans allied themselves with the Red Indians to defeat the British army and win independance through George Washington, the newly so called Americans and the British were cousins and brothers, the British were their ancestors for crying out loud, and yet the Americans allied with the Red Indians, and in Canada with the French against their ancestors!! What I am trying to say is that the similiraties that we may have with syria mean nothing to me, I see, talk and react to a syrian the same way I would to an israeli.
        Prophet, it is very obvious that we sit on different sides of the fence, but I am sure that I and most bloggers here can and will push US/israel/KSA to one side as long as plo/syria/iran are pushed away equally to the other side.
        Those people including yourself who have had members of their family killed by the israeli have to respect equally these people like myself who have had members of their families killed by the plo and syrians and understand our hate /position as well. 

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Beiruti,

          I respect your opinion on the Syria/Israel issue, and I accept
          the fact that we disagree as well, but  I
          want to assure you that I’ve never condoned any of the actions and  abuses 
          inflicted  on  Lebanon and Lebanese   by the 
          Syrians. As a matter of  fact , My
           criticism of  Syrian  presence and abuse  has been made 
          many  times  on 
          this  page. The pain inflicted
          by  both 
          Syria has  reached  my family(17 year old  nephiew,86 return  of  Syrian
           army 
          into west  Beirut) and other
          families that  I’m close to.

          My approach has always been by looking at the big picture.
          We have to get beyond our grievances, and don’t let hate control   our views. It is always s easier to hate than
          to love. I, for once, have no hate toward individual Israelis or Jews. My issues
          are with Israel
          as an illegal and aggressive state. I have learned not to hate people for who
          they are. Maybe My  long  stay 
          in the west helped  me   get 
          rid of the complications that 
          we  Lebanese  usually 
          carry  with us where ever  we go.

           All Lebanese  suffered  one 
          way  or  another , many  people lost their  lives 
          for no  reason, whether because of
           Syrian domination, Israeli aggression,
          PLO abuse, and  worst  by  Lebanese
           militias and warlords( despise all of
          them ). I truly  believe that  Lebanese  have to come 
          to  terms with  their  differences,
          and do away  with  those 
          fences. With all differences, I don’t consider myself on the other side
          of the fence, especially knowing you are from the Shouf. The Shouf had always
          been my families save heaven starting 1969, and throughout the seventies. This
          is where my father’s friendships landed us when the south was in trouble. Every
          time we moved there, I felt at home, and until this day, I visit old friends in
          the Iqleem, when I’m in Lebanon.

        2. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Beiruti,

          I respect your opinion on the Syria/Israel issue, and I accept
          the fact that we disagree as well, but  I
          want to assure you that I’ve never condoned any of the actions and  abuses 
          inflicted  on  Lebanon and Lebanese   by the 
          Syrians. As a matter of  fact , My
           criticism of  Syrian  presence and abuse  has been made 
          many  times  on 
          this  page. The pain inflicted
          by  both 
          Syria has  reached  my family(17 year old  nephiew,86 return  of  Syrian
           army 
          into west  Beirut) and other
          families that  I’m close to.

          My approach has always been by looking at the big picture.
          We have to get beyond our grievances, and don’t let hate control   our views. It is always s easier to hate than
          to love. I, for once, have no hate toward individual Israelis or Jews. My issues
          are with Israel
          as an illegal and aggressive state. I have learned not to hate people for who
          they are. Maybe My  long  stay 
          in the west helped  me   get 
          rid of the complications that 
          we  Lebanese  usually 
          carry  with us where ever  we go.

           All Lebanese  suffered  one 
          way  or  another , many  people lost their  lives 
          for no  reason, whether because of
           Syrian domination, Israeli aggression,
          PLO abuse, and  worst  by  Lebanese
           militias and warlords( despise all of
          them ). I truly  believe that  Lebanese  have to come 
          to  terms with  their  differences,
          and do away  with  those 
          fences. With all differences, I don’t consider myself on the other side
          of the fence, especially knowing you are from the Shouf. The Shouf had always
          been my families save heaven starting 1969, and throughout the seventies. This
          is where my father’s friendships landed us when the south was in trouble. Every
          time we moved there, I felt at home, and until this day, I visit old friends in
          the Iqleem, when I’m in Lebanon.

      5.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Two officers were responsible for the hula massacre. One of them, first lieutenant Shmuel Lahis, who served as Company Commander, was brought to justice in an Israeli military court
        “When I asked him why he had done this, the officer answered that this was ‘his revenge for the murder of his best friends in the [Haifa] refineries’.”

        funny shit how people always see their side and their side alone.

        has lebanon or any other arab country ever prosecuted anyone who committed atrocities against Israelis? the answer is no

        so lebanon declared war against israel in 1948, Israel responded(defended itself) and some shit happened, who is the responsible party? blame the lebanese government (or the arabs at the time for forcing the lebanese into the war) cause they are the ones who invited this onto your relatives or friends or whatever. just like you shouldnt blame Israel for defending itself in 2006, a sane person would blame zabrallah for starting the war. 
        nevermind that the arabs did some serious cleansing of jewish towns they captured back in 48, but you want to cry cause you only see your side…. wake up open your eyes and stop being such a brainwashed donkey.

        1. You are very wise, 7akibalash .  Now if just a majority would open their eyes , as well, the world and even the entire Levant region would be a much better place.

      6.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        I am not originally from the Chouf but i do have a house there, i was born in Furn el Chebbak but most of my family lived in the Chouf so i became very familiar with the area. I strongly agree with you on many of your points, i always thought you were a supporter of Syria on this site, so now i know you are not. If you read books on the civil war one of the main points is that the Lebanese Civil War is the only war were every group/militia (or at least most of the groups) were allies and enemies and different parts of the war. Lets face it 30%- 40% of the Christians were left wing, SSNP, LCP for Gods sake George Hawi a Greek Orthodox was one of the leaders of the Chouf massacres along with Jumblatt. When Geagea faught against Hobeika on January 15,1986 and attacked Hobeika’s headquarters, 600 Lebanese Forces militiamen were killed on that one day people of the same party, same uniforms were killing each other. I will cleanly admit to you that Geagea is no angel, even though what they accused him of to put him in jail was a lie, there was no evidence to prove that he did the church bombing killing 9 worshipers, and there wasnt much proof for the political assassinations which said to be him. Maybe Franjieh but not Chamoun. But i am happy what Geagea is doing nowadays, Geagea has even gained a lot of popularity among the Sunni community. Christian Nationalism in Lebanon? All i have to say is Safra Massacre. 81 killed that day, because Bachir wanted to “Unite” the Tigers, he seemed to forget they were fighting the same enemy “The PLO”. Dont get me wrong i liked Bachir because he had good plans, but at first i couldnt stand him. Christians arent the only ones all you have to say is the Shiites inter sectarian war, some of the wildest weapons Hezbollah used on Amal, and when the women came on the streets to stop the fighting they fired on the women also. There is no such thing in Lebanon as religion unity, in Lebanon its called interest unity, because we know well if there was religion unity in Lebanon it would still be Christian till this day. Its people who lead the interests and religion is the extra. Time will tell.

      7.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        But we can change that for the better, we are neighbours should we stay like cats and dogs? Jew or not Jew we can still live beside each other and with no war, that would be nice. Has Syria not hurt Lebanon before and is now .There is no distinguishing anything Syria robbed Lebanon and controlled it for how long?. Our friends hurt Lebanon more than anyone else. Syria for 30 years I lived in it they used to do so much to the Christians and not nice things either, we lived like dogs.

        1. ,Absolutely right.   Now, according to reports a soldier on the southern border opened fire on the Israelis across the border ….even on Ramadan, he does this.   The Israelis fired back wounding him.  Was he acting alone or was it a Hezb’ullah order trying to create more havoc, endanger more Lebanese citizens and distract the world from Assad’s slaughter of innocents?   Let’s face it, the “hezzies” are worried that if the Assad regime falls there goes half of their support.

  16. FadiAbboud Avatar
    FadiAbboud

    Hezbollah has destroyed Lebanon and almost every commentator on this site is blind to that fact but they chose to focus on the past actions of those who speak the truth today. 
    Why be so critical and disapproving of the past actions of Geagea yet you all condone Hezbollah’s actions which are the same   ?
    Lets all stand up for justice and equality under one government and one law and one civil and free country.. or are those beliefs against Hezbollah’s ideologies so therefore you must also disagree? 

  17.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Hezbollah has destroyed Lebanon and almost every commentator on this site is blind to that fact but they chose to focus on the past actions of those who speak the truth today. 
    Why be so critical and disapproving of the past actions of Geagea yet you all condone Hezbollah’s actions which are the same   ?
    Lets all stand up for justice and equality under one government and one law and one civil and free country.. or are those beliefs against Hezbollah’s ideologies so therefore you must also disagree? 

  18. libnan1 Avatar

    That is why you ordered the execution of the Lebanese army soldiers, you remember that !!!!!
    That is why you destroyed the very few helicopters the Lebanese army had.

    If you would have practiced what you are preaching now, the Christian would not be where we are now. The Taif would have not existed. 
    Dr. Geagea, silence is golden ….

    1. shankarees Avatar
      shankarees

      Your silence is worth more than gold, pompous twit.

    2. shankarees Avatar
      shankarees

      Your silence is worth more than gold, pompous twit.

    3. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      Did you notice that you are alone in that and that you NEVER get a “like”? The Syrian regime slaughtered your kind more than the PLO ever did and your “bseyn” is allied with them. You have no shame? 
      I will say two things and let’s leave the rest to history. How about that for fair? 
      First, the Syrian regime will fall and you will find “orangina” alone.
      Second, comes the election “orangina” will be defeated at the polls with a big margin.
      So let’s wait and see…

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Hannibal,You are  alive  after  all.lol

    4. Hannibal Avatar
      Hannibal

      Did you notice that you are alone in that and that you NEVER get a “like”? The Syrian regime slaughtered your kind more than the PLO ever did and your “bseyn” is allied with them. You have no shame? 
      I will say two things and let’s leave the rest to history. How about that for fair? 
      First, the Syrian regime will fall and you will find “orangina” alone.
      Second, comes the election “orangina” will be defeated at the polls with a big margin.
      So let’s wait and see…

    5. Beiruti Avatar

      Out of all people a fanatic Aoun supporter like you should be the least, THE LEAST of people here to comment on Geagea. Your disgusting Aoun left to France like a COWARD, instead of telling those soldiers to leave because the Syrians have surrounded them, he left. How many soldiers were killed because Aoun left like a coward? 200. Your Aoun once quoted “All militias must submit their arms to the army” and started clashing with the LF. So why the F*** isn’t he applying this to his sister Hezbollah? Aoun caused the destruction of all of Beirut, both East and West, causing Syria to terrorize all Lebanese of all religions. Causing 2/3s of Beirut to evacuate, causing Syria to bomb all the boats in the Jounieh trying to escape to Cyprus. Please dont bullsh*t about some helicopters being destroyed, when the man you support is the reason why Syria occupied out country for an extra 15 years, when the man you support caused most Christians to leave Lebanon, just shut your mouth. 

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        ‘He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.’
          Hmmm .. oh, wait … that’s what terror-twits do … 
            Oh well … many commanders have also been sent away by their troops when it got too hot … for protection.
          The thinking being that the commander’s brain was worth saving.

        In some cases, one wonders why they would bother coming back ….

    6. Beiruti Avatar

      Out of all people a fanatic Aoun supporter like you should be the least, THE LEAST of people here to comment on Geagea. Your disgusting Aoun left to France like a COWARD, instead of telling those soldiers to leave because the Syrians have surrounded them, he left. How many soldiers were killed because Aoun left like a coward? 200. Your Aoun once quoted “All militias must submit their arms to the army” and started clashing with the LF. So why the F*** isn’t he applying this to his sister Hezbollah? Aoun caused the destruction of all of Beirut, both East and West, causing Syria to terrorize all Lebanese of all religions. Causing 2/3s of Beirut to evacuate, causing Syria to bomb all the boats in the Jounieh trying to escape to Cyprus. Please dont bullsh*t about some helicopters being destroyed, when the man you support is the reason why Syria occupied out country for an extra 15 years, when the man you support caused most Christians to leave Lebanon, just shut your mouth. 

    7. shankarees Avatar
      shankarees

      Purify your mouth (tahhir timmak — which can be translated as “circumcise your mouth” when you have a d*ck in it) before you say anything bad about Dr. Geogea, you cretin.

      1. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
        Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        What % of Christians now support March 8th?

        1. master09 Avatar

          All The clowns . If any do well brainwashed is all I can say.

      2. Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel Avatar
        Adam Yonatan Ben Yoel

        What % of Christians now support March 8th?

        1. master09 Avatar

          All The clowns . If any do well brainwashed is all I can say.

  19.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    That is why you ordered the execution of the Lebanese army soldiers, you remember that !!!!!
    That is why you destroyed the very few helicopters the Lebanese army had.

    If you would have practiced what you are preaching now, the Christian would not be where we are now. The Taif would have not existed. 
    Dr. Geagea, silence is golden ….

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Your silence is worth more than gold, pompous twit.

    2. Did you notice that you are alone in that and that you NEVER get a “like”? The Syrian regime slaughtered your kind more than the PLO ever did and your “bseyn” is allied with them. You have no shame? 
      I will say two things and let’s leave the rest to history. How about that for fair? 
      First, the Syrian regime will fall and you will find “orangina” alone.
      Second, comes the election “orangina” will be defeated at the polls with a big margin.
      So let’s wait and see…

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Hannibal,You are  alive  after  all.lol

    3.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Out of all people a fanatic Aoun supporter like you should be the least, THE LEAST of people here to comment on Geagea. Your disgusting Aoun left to France like a COWARD, instead of telling those soldiers to leave because the Syrians have surrounded them, he left. How many soldiers were killed because Aoun left like a coward? 200. Your Aoun once quoted “All militias must submit their arms to the army” and started clashing with the LF. So why the F*** isn’t he applying this to his sister Hezbollah? Aoun caused the destruction of all of Beirut, both East and West, causing Syria to terrorize all Lebanese of all religions. Causing 2/3s of Beirut to evacuate, causing Syria to bomb all the boats in the Jounieh trying to escape to Cyprus. Please dont bullsh*t about some helicopters being destroyed, when the man you support is the reason why Syria occupied out country for an extra 15 years, when the man you support caused most Christians to leave Lebanon, just shut your mouth. 

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        ‘He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.’
          Hmmm .. oh, wait … that’s what terror-twits do … 
            Oh well … many commanders have also been sent away by their troops when it got too hot … for protection.
          The thinking being that the commander’s brain was worth saving.

        In some cases, one wonders why they would bother coming back ….

    4.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Purify your mouth (tahhir timmak — which can be translated as “circumcise your mouth” when you have a d*ck in it) before you say anything bad about Dr. Geogea, you cretin.

      1. What % of Christians now support March 8th?

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          All The clowns . If any do well brainwashed is all I can say.

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          All The clowns . If any do well brainwashed is all I can say.

  20.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    That is why you ordered the execution of the Lebanese army soldiers, you remember that !!!!!
    That is why you destroyed the very few helicopters the Lebanese army had.

    If you would have practiced what you are preaching now, the Christian would not be where we are now. The Taif would have not existed. 
    Dr. Geagea, silence is golden ….

  21.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    That is why you ordered the execution of the Lebanese army soldiers, you remember that !!!!!
    That is why you destroyed the very few helicopters the Lebanese army had.

    If you would have practiced what you are preaching now, the Christian would not be where we are now. The Taif would have not existed. 
    Dr. Geagea, silence is golden ….

  22. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Insulting replies aside, I’m pleased that my comment steered some sleeping thoughts and some bitter emotions. It can only be healthy as long as we can maintain respect and objectivity.
    The sad part is that some prefer to distort history than to face reality.Before we lay  the blame(plenty  to be  done ,and justified) on  others, we have to  be honest with  ourselves, and admit  few facts about Lebanon ,  its history and people, and in turn take responsibility  of  our own  faults and actions.
    We have to realize that we are group of tribes/sects, and each one sees itself as a nation with its own alliances and loyalty to other nations.
    If we can establish a common national identity, under a modern democratic state, many of our fears and concerns would be resolved.
    We have never had a strong central state that respected all of its citizens, nor have we had a national army -nor the will to build one- strong enough, to defend the nation and its territories.
    Since the creation of Lebanon, as we know it, and since the creation of Israel, our state abandoned its responsibilities toward the south and its people. To make things worse, Lebanon allowed the PLO to move into Lebanon,and establish its own min state on most of Lebanon.No one was consulted, not in the south, and not in the north.
    All of those who claim that they were defending themselves against the PLO are to be blamed for allowing the PLO to move in.  Those same people did nothing to defend the nation when Israel was attacking the south (WAY BEFORE THE PLO EVEN HAD A PRESENCE IN THE SOUTH).Where was their concern for sovereignty? Did they have to ally themselves with the enemy to protect themselves?  Did they have to ally themselves with Israel when most of the country was under occupation? They have yet to justify these decisions.
    Its is no  secret  that some  Lebanese parties  had opened connections with Israel back  in the 50’s,before the PLO presence in Lebanon. Can any one explain to us why did that happen? Can any one assure us that this alliance won’t happen again?
    Those, and especially Geagea, who want  the Lebanese army to  be the sole defender of the nation, as it should be,  can 
    they  explain to us  how they undermined the  authority  of this Army, and fought against  it. Why should  we  believe
    them   now? Spending time in jail is not a token of innocence when it comes to betraying the nation. He went to jail for
    crimes He committed against other Lebanese. He was not tried fro treason, and now he is rehabilitated. More Lebanese army officers and soldiers died at the hands of Geagea and his people than   all  Lebanese  soldiers lost since the creation of Lebanon.
    His point  might  be right ,that  only  Lebanese army is entitled to defend the nation, but He is not the  right person to  tell us that. He is the last  person  who can  lecture  us about   the army and its  duties. He is the last  person who  can lecture  us about patriotism and sovereignty.

    1. plomca Avatar

      Maybe you are the last person to listen too. But, I say this – Lebanon is free and people have freedom and the right to decide for themselves, who to listen too. If Geagea wants to support the Lebanese Armed Forces today and and other Lebanese, regardless of their political strip, want to support it, by all means, let it happen. Hell, he does not even have lead it. But at least he can support it and if the media wants print what he thinks, that is freedom of the press to do so.

      You can rant and rave about the past all you want. I heard what the PLO did in my wife’s Christian town. But, my wife still wants a better Lebanon for her family, which means disarming militias, like the terrorist organization Hezbollah. And she also wants the resolving the Palestinian issue in Lebanon.

      Anyway, you want to oppose those who support a better Lebanon today, because of their past, by all means, cry away. That is free speech!

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        plomca,
        No one is taking  your right( assuming  you are  Lebanese  ,Are  you?), or the rights of Geagea to  speak. I’m being  critical of what  He  has to say because of his credibility and his  history, no more and no  less.As for the PLO, and its  abuse of Lebanese, It goes without saying that  all Lebanese  were  affected  by the PLO  regardless of what  faith  they  were. Enough with your  sectarian talk.  
        Israelis have been  ranting  about the past for their recent past 70 years( no one  says they don’t  have the right to either),and a bout their “historic past” for the last 6000 years. people that  don’t  know their past, can’t  create  their  future.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Well .. actually they can … they can decide to put the past in a history book, look at it once in a while, and remind themselves of why they tried to forget it and create something better.

        2. FadiAbboud Avatar
          FadiAbboud

          Why be critical of a positive message?
          I don’t support Hezbollah’s rights to carry arms and other ” actions” and their history either, but if they turned around today and spoke the same message as GeaGea , they would have my support as well. Simple. 

        3. L Hakim W Bass! lol

      2. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        plomca,
        No one is taking  your right( assuming  you are  Lebanese  ,Are  you?), or the rights of Geagea to  speak. I’m being  critical of what  He  has to say because of his credibility and his  history, no more and no  less.As for the PLO, and its  abuse of Lebanese, It goes without saying that  all Lebanese  were  affected  by the PLO  regardless of what  faith  they  were. Enough with your  sectarian talk.  
        Israelis have been  ranting  about the past for their recent past 70 years( no one  says they don’t  have the right to either),and a bout their “historic past” for the last 6000 years. people that  don’t  know their past, can’t  create  their  future.

        1. FadiAbboud Avatar
          FadiAbboud

          Why be critical of a positive message?
          I don’t support Hezbollah’s rights to carry arms and other ” actions” and their history either, but if they turned around today and spoke the same message as GeaGea , they would have my support as well. Simple. 

  23. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Insulting replies aside, I’m pleased that my comment steered some sleeping thoughts and some bitter emotions. It can only be healthy as long as we can maintain respect and objectivity.
    The sad part is that some prefer to distort history than to face reality.Before we lay  the blame(plenty  to be  done ,and justified) on  others, we have to  be honest with  ourselves, and admit  few facts about Lebanon ,  its history and people, and in turn take responsibility  of  our own  faults and actions.
    We have to realize that we are group of tribes/sects, and each one sees itself as a nation with its own alliances and loyalty to other nations.
    If we can establish a common national identity, under a modern democratic state, many of our fears and concerns would be resolved.
    We have never had a strong central state that respected all of its citizens, nor have we had a national army, strong enough, to defend the nation and its territories. Since the creation of Lebanon, as we know it, and since the creation of Israel,
    our state abandoned its responsibilities toward the south and its people. To make things worse, Lebanon allowed the PLO to move into Lebanon,and establish its own min state on most of Lebanon.No one was consulted, not in the south, and not in the north.
    All of those who claim that they were defending themselves against the PLO are to be blamed for allowing the PLO to move in.  Those same people did nothing to defend the nation when Israel was attacking the south (WAY BEFORE THE PLO EVEN HAD A PRESENCE IN THE SOUTH).Where was their concern for sovereignty? Did they have to ally themselves with the enemy to protect themselves?  Did they have to ally themselves with Israel when most of the country was under occupation? They have yet to justify these decisions.
    Its is no  secret  that some  Lebanese parties  had opened connections with Israel back  in the 50’s,before the PLO presence in Lebanon. Can any one explain to us why did that happen? Can any one assure us that this alliance won’t happen again?
    Those, and especially Geagea, who want  the Lebanese army to  be the sole defender of the nation, as it should be,  can 
    they  explain to us  how they undermined the  authority  of this Army, and fought against  it. Why should  we  believe
    them   now? Spending time in jail is not a token of innocence when it comes to betraying the nation. He went to jail for
    crimes He committed against other Lebanese. He was not tried fro treason, and now he is rehabilitated. More Lebanese army officers and soldiers died at the hands of Geagea and his people than   all  Lebanese  soldiers lost since the creation of Lebanon.
    His point  might  be right ,that  only  Lebanese army is entitled to defend the nation, but He is not the  right person to  tell us that. He is the last  person  who can  lecture  us about   the army and its  duties. He is the last  person who  can lecture  us about patriotism and sovereignty.

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Maybe you are the last person to listen too. But, I say this – Lebanon is free and people have freedom and the right to decide for themselves, who to listen too. If Geagea wants to support the Lebanese Armed Forces today and and other Lebanese, regardless of their political strip, want to support it, by all means, let it happen. Hell, he does not even have lead it. But at least he can support it and if the media wants print what he thinks, that is freedom of the press to do so.

      You can rant and rave about the past all you want. I heard what the PLO did in my wife’s Christian town. But, my wife still wants a better Lebanon for her family, which means disarming militias, like the terrorist organization Hezbollah. And she also wants the resolving the Palestinian issue in Lebanon.

      Anyway, you want to oppose those who support a better Lebanon today, because of their past, by all means, cry away. That is free speech!

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        plomca,
        No one is taking  your right( assuming  you are  Lebanese  ,Are  you?), or the rights of Geagea to  speak. I’m being  critical of what  He  has to say because of his credibility and his  history, no more and no  less.As for the PLO, and its  abuse of Lebanese, It goes without saying that  all Lebanese  were  affected  by the PLO  regardless of what  faith  they  were. Enough with your  sectarian talk.  
        Israelis have been  ranting  about the past for their recent past 70 years( no one  says they don’t  have the right to either),and a bout their “historic past” for the last 6000 years. people that  don’t  know their past, can’t  create  their  future.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Well .. actually they can … they can decide to put the past in a history book, look at it once in a while, and remind themselves of why they tried to forget it and create something better.

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Why be critical of a positive message?
          I don’t support Hezbollah’s rights to carry arms and other ” actions” and their history either, but if they turned around today and spoke the same message as GeaGea , they would have my support as well. Simple. 

        3.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          L Hakim W Bass! lol

        4.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          L Hakim W Bass! lol

  24. mahdi_yassine Avatar
    mahdi_yassine

    they accuse hizbullah of killing a former prime minister with out any hard evidence while samir geagea  who is accused and sentenced for killing a ruling prime minister Rachid Karami ,is prancing around acting like he is the godfather of this country ,     not to mention Tony Franjieh and his little daughter who is neither a politician or a militiawomen ! he also killed the Dani Chamoun the brother of his current 14 march ally !! this a  sick country , where criminals walk and talk as if they are angels ….  Im sick of it !!

  25.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    they accuse hizbullah of killing a former prime minister with out any hard evidence while samir geagea  who is accused and sentenced for killing a ruling prime minister Rachid Karami ,is prancing around acting like he is the godfather of this country ,     not to mention Tony Franjieh and his little daughter who is neither a politician or a militiawomen ! he also killed the Dani Chamoun the brother of his current 14 march ally !! this a  sick country , where criminals walk and talk as if they are angels ….  Im sick of it !!

  26. your words are as empty and weak as your beloved coward leader. You cant hide under those terrorist skirts forever….the clock is ticking for you and your beloved leader…

  27.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    your words are as empty and weak as your beloved coward leader. You cant hide under those terrorist skirts forever….the clock is ticking for you and your beloved leader…

  28. Aywah! l hakim w bass!

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      Fadi81,
      You are entitled  to  like and follow  whoever  you want. But  for you to say:’ hakim w bass! “, It  tells  me that  Lebanese  have never been  ,and not  likely  to become mature . As long  as  we have people idealizing and worshiping  their  so called  leaders, Lebanon  has no chance of becoming a modern ,democratic country.
      Most  Lebanese  are worshipping  Geagea, Berri,Nassralla, Hariri, Aoun, Gemayel,….. and so on. Why? I can  understand  some one  supporting a political  party, but I can’t understand  why  no one  can  accept the fact  that  hid/her beloved  leader  can be  wrong?. Why can’t people stand any  criticism of their   beloved  leader.

  29.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Aywah! l hakim w bass!

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      Fadi81,
      You are entitled  to  like and follow  whoever  you want. But  for you to say:’ hakim w bass! “, It  tells  me that  Lebanese  have never been  ,and not  likely  to become mature . As long  as  we have people idealizing and worshiping  their  so called  leaders, Lebanon  has no chance of becoming a modern ,democratic country.
      Most  Lebanese  are worshipping  Geagea, Berri,Nassralla, Hariri, Aoun, Gemayel,….. and so on. Why? I can  understand  some one  supporting a political  party, but I can’t understand  why  no one  can  accept the fact  that  hid/her beloved  leader  can be  wrong?. Why can’t people stand any  criticism of their   beloved  leader.

  30.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Aywah! l hakim w bass!

  31. lol, you are as sick as anybody! before you mention Geagea and the Syrian puppet court that convicted him of these lies, please critisize those terrorist dogs that are continuing to murder our promising leaders! YOU HAVE NOTHING ON THE HAKIM! The shia’s of Lebanon have been dooped and because of this they will continue to live in shambles…the next war is coming, and the civilians of the south will pay the unfortunate price for supporting terrorists who promise them false security!

  32.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    lol, you are as sick as anybody! before you mention Geagea and the Syrian puppet court that convicted him of these lies, please critisize those terrorist dogs that are continuing to murder our promising leaders! YOU HAVE NOTHING ON THE HAKIM! The shia’s of Lebanon have been dooped and because of this they will continue to live in shambles…the next war is coming, and the civilians of the south will pay the unfortunate price for supporting terrorists who promise them false security!

  33.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    lol, you are as sick as anybody! before you mention Geagea and the Syrian puppet court that convicted him of these lies, please critisize those terrorist dogs that are continuing to murder our promising leaders! YOU HAVE NOTHING ON THE HAKIM! The shia’s of Lebanon have been dooped and because of this they will continue to live in shambles…the next war is coming, and the civilians of the south will pay the unfortunate price for supporting terrorists who promise them false security!

  34.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    lol, you are as sick as anybody! before you mention Geagea and the Syrian puppet court that convicted him of these lies, please critisize those terrorist dogs that are continuing to murder our promising leaders! YOU HAVE NOTHING ON THE HAKIM! The shia’s of Lebanon have been dooped and because of this they will continue to live in shambles…the next war is coming, and the civilians of the south will pay the unfortunate price for supporting terrorists who promise them false security!

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