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Phalange leader Amin Gemayel has reportedly said that his party would not engage in dialogue with representatives of Hezbollah who consider the four suspects accused of involvement in ex-Premier Rafik Hariri’s Feb. 2005 murder as “saints.”

Gemayel’s own son, Pierre Gemayel, was assassinated on November 21, 2006. No investigation was carried out over the murder of Lebanon’s second-youngest MP, who was also serving as Minister of Industry. Given Hezbollah’s involvement in the assassination of Rafik Hariri, it many believe that the militia was also behind the murder of Pierre Gemayel, a vocal critic of Syria’s military presence in and political domination of Lebanon.

An Nahar daily said Wednesday that Gemayel made his remarks to President Michel Suleiman the day before after the president launched consultations to inquire about the politicians’ viewpoints on his invitation for national dialogue.

“The Phalange will not seat at a table with people whose party members are accused and consider them saints,” Gemayel told Suleiman.

All-party talks are rejected if they are aimed at legalizing the coup that Hizbullah led against former Premier Saad Hariri’s cabinet in January, the former president reportedly said.

Phalange sources told al-Joumhouria daily that Gemayel said the dialogue should consolidate the seat of the presidency. “The failure of the next stage would be a disaster to the post.”

He also accused the Hizbullah-led March 8 alliance, which is now encouraging dialogue, of obstructing previous sessions by rejecting to discuss the fate of the Shiite party’s arms.

While he welcomed any type of dialogue among Lebanese leaders, Gemayel said his party can’t sit at the dialogue table with people who are trying to exercise the power authorized to security forces.

Naharnet

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41 responses to “Gemayel refuses to talk to Hezbollah”

  1. lebanesesam Avatar
    lebanesesam

    Good for you – F*** Hizbullah

  2. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Good for you – F*** Hizbullah

  3. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    I keep thinking this guy has something on the ball … but can he shift dialogue-thinking to a non-sectarian dialogue about a revision, for the country, to a non-sectarian form of government? Doubtful …

    1. 7akibalash Avatar
      7akibalash

      what is sectatrian about not sitting at the same table with those who murdered his son? what is sectarian about not wanting to hold dialogue with those who glorify the murderers of his son and harriri?… maybe I am missunderstanding you here, but please do clarify!!

      1. LebOz Avatar
        LebOz

        They have both murdered one anothers sons and daughters.

        Im sick of people making out one party out to be sinless. They are all guilty of crimes committed against Lebanon and its people.

        Stop being blinded by sectarian / policitcal allegiances!!!!!

        1. 7akibalash Avatar
          7akibalash

          you obviously have no clue what we were talking about, lets just leave it at that.

      2. geo metro Avatar
        geo metro

        non of us are born wise and experienced,  however  we are able to grow and learn from past experiences , i am neither defending or accusing mr gemayel but i would absolutely give him the benefit of the doubt as far as where he stands in his intention towards contributing something positive and productive towards lebanons future. no doubt with tens of thousands dead in the civil war i assure you that blood on many hands will not be overlooked or forgotten when due time comes. i dont follow or know what is in gemayels heart but i am sure  he suffered and   paid  dearly from the loss of his son,brother and others…m . some of the worst people historicaly became some of the greatest and it allways starts with them saying “i was wrong.”

      3. geo metro Avatar
        geo metro

        i apolagize my reply was intended to go to leboz.

      4. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        I attempt, 7akibalash … and I think geo has a line on it.

          Yet I cannot say I am correct …

        What I feel from Gemayel (after reading several of his statements) is a realization that there are serious and basically unresolvable problems in this ‘system’. He is correct in realizing there is no use in debating with people who only have one agenda, and minds which are so obviously closed. And when even the ‘religiousness’ of a ‘position’ – which my own brain says should never be religious – is hit by astounding statements of sainthood for anyone involved in these politics, let alone the hands that push the buttons of death, well … the man reacts correctly. And quickly.

        Along with geo, I think there’s a good chance his mind has been opened – whether because of personal tragedy, or serious thoughts of what has been done by so many in the name of revenge we cannot say – but I think he considers what CAN be done FOR Lebanon.
         Sitting at THAT table is not correct – and he knows it.
         You will not find any of them standing up to ‘confess’ their wrongs soon -probably – but there may be a slow realization.

          My question was to wonder if he can go the one step more – to propose a non-sectarian ‘table’ of discussion about a future – with NONE of the ‘glorious leaders’ present – about a new formulation of government FOR ALL the people.
        And then push for it’s implimentation.

        We hear too little from all of them how they feel personally … ‘party’ lines are pushed … for votes.

        1. 7akibalash Avatar
          7akibalash

          what do you think the percentage of lebanese muslims(sunni or shia or whatever) is, that would chose secular rule over islamic rule?
          and i dont need to tell you how opressive muslim rule is to non muslims and even muslims too.
          this is the reality for us christians living ion the middleast. the syrian christians, egyptian christians knelt down to the muslims, the jordanian and iraqi christians also knelt down… lebanon remains the only place in the middleast where christians have a say in the affairs of their own country.
          and you want the man to give it up? to prove what? and to who? … you have got to be kidding me .. I mean can i say to the muslims who want to bring sharia to lebanon to give up their aspirations?…. how can you convince anyone that muslims dont want islamic rule?

          christians have to be guaranteed their rights and representation, it is as simple as that… whether you agree with it or not, tough shit cause without guarantees we cant trust any muslim for his word( islam allows lying to attain “nasr al islam”)…
          lebanon will not go the way of egypt, jordan and iraq cause we are fighting for what is rightfully ours… our right to rule ourselves and not be ruled and told what to do by muslims who want to subjugate us like they subjugated others in the area before us.

          make the muslims give up their aspirations for “al khilafah” and the supremacy of islam then we can talk secularism, but untill then take your hands off our guarantees and stop trying to dismantle them and deprive us of our rights.

          we are realists here, we dont need to shine sunshine up each other’s arses… just saying!!

      5. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        (See below)
        7Akibalash … “make the muslims give up their …”
          Oh .. for sure I understand the realism … and was only talking about the man himself I guess …
        But in your line there I also see the intransigence of thought when you say ‘make’ … my statements are more philosophical in an attempt to have people think about some flexability – not about their various and often strange beliefs as such, but about how people could possibly learn to live together, with a central system of government which provides equality. 
          Yah … sometimes I dream … we can’t make anyone do anything anyway, without conscensus and willingness of all to give up something for the sake of all.

        Better oil the gun …. see ya later gang.

        1. 7akibalash Avatar
          7akibalash

          “But in your line there I also see the intransigence of thought when you say ‘make’ “……. yes “make” ofcourse “make” otherwise how will you guarantee the result to the other side? can we trust the muslim’s word or oath when the muslim’s own faith tells him that he can repudiate even his oath when he finds something better?
          we are talking about two totally different people here with contradicting sets of beliefs, christians “love your enemy” muslims “fight/kill then subjugate those non muslims” ….. christians”thou shall not lie” muslims “you can lie to advance islam”… advocating secularism with people who want nothing to do with secularism and everything to do with “khilafah” is suicide….
          for sure you must understand this
          as far as gemayel is concerned, he understands this fully, unlike many other leaders.
          the christians will never call for the subjugation of the muslims because it isnt our style, nor is it a part of our beliefs, remember sheikh Bachir ? remember his message?
          muslims will have to go against islam to advocate freedom and equality for non muslims under muslim rule….

          there is a vast canyon between the two people… this is the reality… look at sudan, perfect example, in the end the christians had enough took their half of the country and declared independence.

          personally I am holding out for the civilization of the lebanese muslims who always seem far behind and make us go through countless battles to finally come around… I blame mohamed for setting up a system that is anti anything non muslim.

      6. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        (Re: Below again)
          Ok,  7akibalash …. I put the ‘Sudan Solution’ in here before and no-one seemed to like it … but does the line run N-S or E-W ?
           I propose N-S so muslims can be closer to Iran/Syria … besides, they don’t like the beaches much as their women half-drown in all the clothing. And they have the marijuana in the Bekaa anyway … which the Israelis can pave-bomb more easily without ruining Tyre, Beirut and Tripoli every time Hezzbolla wants to lob rockets or missiles over their southern border. And the coast-road could become a fast route to visit the happy-to-live-there relatives in Israel without having to do airplane gymnastics around the Med. At the same time you could talk to them about music and science and oil without being called a spy.
        Of course, the Israelis might consider moving their own idiot ‘strict-brain’ guys in the funny black hats into the back-side too – near Jordan or onto the Golan. Give them a new wall to beat their heads on.
        As for Palestine, forget it since it never existed except as a geographic anomaly, and let people decide which side of the line they wish to be on. Once only, of course. Tours to historic sites would be the only ‘arrangements’ we’d have to work on.  I mean, if the French could draw a line in the sand many years ago, I’m sure we could do it now.
        I am willing to give up skiing …. global warming from over-population (the main problem) will wipe it out anyway – along with the rivers.
        All in favour of moving or trading houses, raise your hands.

        I give up … back to the oiling.

        1. 7akibalash Avatar
          7akibalash

          lmao btw i think you meant E-W… i dont know how comfortable i would be with them having the high ground above us…lol

  4. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    I keep thinking this guy has something on the ball … but can he shift dialogue-thinking to a non-sectarian dialogue about a revision, for the country, to a non-sectarian form of government? Doubtful …

  5. Avatar
    Anonymous

    I keep thinking this guy has something on the ball … but can he shift dialogue-thinking to a non-sectarian dialogue about a revision, for the country, to a non-sectarian form of government? Doubtful …

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      what is sectatrian about not sitting at the same table with those who murdered his son? what is sectarian about not wanting to hold dialogue with those who glorify the murderers of his son and harriri?… maybe I am missunderstanding you here, but please do clarify!!

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        They have both murdered one anothers sons and daughters.

        Im sick of people making out one party out to be sinless. They are all guilty of crimes committed against Lebanon and its people.

        Stop being blinded by sectarian / policitcal allegiances!!!!!

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          you obviously have no clue what we were talking about, lets just leave it at that.

      2. geo mitri Avatar
        geo mitri

        non of us are born wise and experienced,  however  we are able to grow and learn from past experiences , i am neither defending or accusing mr gemayel but i would absolutely give him the benefit of the doubt as far as where he stands in his intention towards contributing something positive and productive towards lebanons future. no doubt with tens of thousands dead in the civil war i assure you that blood on many hands will not be overlooked or forgotten when due time comes. i dont follow or know what is in gemayels heart but i am sure  he suffered and   paid  dearly from the loss of his son,brother and others…m . some of the worst people historicaly became some of the greatest and it allways starts with them saying “i was wrong.”

      3. geo mitri Avatar
        geo mitri

        i apolagize my reply was intended to go to leboz.

      4. Avatar
        Anonymous

        I attempt, 7akibalash … and I think geo has a line on it.

          Yet I cannot say I am correct …

        What I feel from Gemayel (after reading several of his statements) is a realization that there are serious and basically unresolvable problems in this ‘system’. He is correct in realizing there is no use in debating with people who only have one agenda, and minds which are so obviously closed. And when even the ‘religiousness’ of a ‘position’ – which my own brain says should never be religious – is hit by astounding statements of sainthood for anyone involved in these politics, let alone the hands that push the buttons of death, well … the man reacts correctly. And quickly.

        Along with geo, I think there’s a good chance his mind has been opened – whether because of personal tragedy, or serious thoughts of what has been done by so many in the name of revenge we cannot say – but I think he considers what CAN done FOR Lebanon.
         Sitting at THAT table is not correct – and he knows it.

         You will not find any of them standing up to ‘confess’ their wrongs soon -probably – but there may be a slow realization.

          My question was to wonder if he can go the one step more – to propose a non-sectarian ‘table’ of discussion about a future – with NONE of the ‘glorious leaders’ present – about a new formulation of government FOR ALL the people.
        And then push for it’s implimentation.

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          what do you think the percentage of lebanese muslims(sunni or shia or whatever) is, that would chose secular rule over islamic rule?
          and i dont need to tell you how opressive muslim rule is to non muslims and even muslims too.
          this is the reality for us christians living ion the middleast. the syrian christians, egyptian christians knelt down to the muslims, the jordanian and iraqi christians also knelt down… lebanon remains the only place in the middleast where christians have a say in the affairs of their own country.
          and you want the man to give it up? to prove what? and to who? … you have got to be kidding me .. I mean can i say to the muslims who want to bring sharia to lebanon to give up their aspirations?…. how can you convince anyone that muslims dont want islamic rule?

          christians have to be guaranteed their rights and representation, it is as simple as that… whether you agree with it or not, tough shit cause without guarantees we cant trust any muslim for his word( islam allows lying to attain “nasr al islam”)…
          lebanon will not go the way of egypt, jordan and iraq cause we are fighting for what is rightfully ours… our right to rule ourselves and not be ruled and told what to do by muslims who want to subjugate us like they subjugated others in the area before us.

          make the muslims give up their aspirations for “al khilafah” and the supremacy of islam then we can talk secularism, but untill then take your hands off our guarantees and stop trying to dismantle them and deprive us of our rights.

          we are realists here, we dont need to shine sunshine up each other’s arses… just saying!!

      5. Avatar
        Anonymous

        7Akibalash … “make the muslims give up their …”
          Oh .. for sure I understand the realism … and was only talking about the man himself I guess …
        But in your line there I also see the intransigence of thought when you say ‘make’ … my statements are more philosophical in an attempt to have people think about some flexability – not about their various and often strange beliefs as such, but about how people could possibly learn to live together, with a central system of government which provides equality. 
          Yah … sometimes I dream … we can’t make anyone do anything anyway, without conscensus and willingness of all to give up something for the sake of all.

        Better oil the gun …. see ya later gang.

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          “But in your line there I also see the intransigence of thought when you say ‘make’ “……. yes “make” ofcourse “make” otherwise how will you guarantee the result to the other side? can we trust the muslim’s word or oath when the muslim’s own faith tells him that he can repudiate even his oath when he finds something better?
          we are talking about two totally different people here with contradicting sets of beliefs, christians “love your enemy” muslims “fight/kill then subjugate those non muslims” ….. christians”thou shall not lie” muslims “you can lie to advance islam”… advocating secularism with people who want nothing to do with secularism and everything to do with “khilafah” is suicide….
          for sure you must understand this
          as far as gemayel is concerned, he understands this fully, unlike many other leaders.
          the christians will never call for the subjugation of the muslims because it isnt our style, nor is it a part of our beliefs, remember sheikh Bachir ? remember his message?
          muslims will have to go against islam to advocate freedom and equality for non muslims under muslim rule….

          there is a vast canyon between the two people… this is the reality… look at sudan, perfect example, in the end the christians had enough took their half of the country and declared independence.

          personally I am holding out for the civilization of the lebanese muslims who always seem far behind and make us go through countless battles to finally come around… I blame mohamed for setting up a system that is anti anything non muslim.

      6. Avatar
        Anonymous

        (Re: Below again)
          Ok,  7akibalash …. I put the ‘Sudan Solution’ in here before and no-one seemed to like it … but does the line run N-S or E-W ?
           I propose N-S so muslims can be closer to Iran/Syria … besides, they don’t like the beaches much as their women half-drown in all the clothing. And they have the marijuana in the Bekaa anyway … which the Israelis can pave-bomb more easily without ruining Tyre, Beirut and Tripoli every time Hezzbolla wants to lob rockets or missiles over their southern border. And the coast-road could become a fast route to visit the happy-to-live-there relatives in Israel without having to do airplane gymnastics around the Med. At the same time you could talk to them about music and science and oil without being called a spy.
        Of course, the Israelis might consider moving their own idiot ‘strict-brain’ guys in the funny black hats into the back-side too – near Jordan or onto the Golan. Give them a new wall to beat their heads on.
        As for Palestine, forget it since it never existed except as a geographic anomaly, and let people decide which side of the line they wish to be on. Once only, of course. Tours to historic sites would be the only ‘arrangements’ we’d have to work on.  I mean, if the French could draw a line in the sand many years ago, I’m sure we could do it now.
        I am willing to give up skiing …. global warming from over-population (the main problem) will wipe it out anyway – along with the rivers.
        All in favour of moving or trading houses, raise your hands.

        I give up … back to the oiling.

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          lmao btw i think you meant E-W… i dont know how comfortable i would be with them having the high ground above us…lol

  6. shankarees Avatar
    shankarees

    No dialog with traitors!  F*** Hisballa

  7. Avatar
    Anonymous

    No dialog with traitors!  F*** Hisballa

  8. Guest Avatar
    Guest

    Now Hezbollah is using the same tactics that Israel uses when they tell the Palestinians to sit down and talk but they say Jerusalem is not part of the discussion , just like Hezbollah’s arms are not part of the discussion.
    The only criminal that is a saint is Barnabas, because Jesus supposedly forgave him when they were crusified.

  9. Guest Avatar
    Guest

    Now Hezbollah is using the same tactics that Israel uses when they tell the Palestinians to sit down and talk but they say Jerusalem is not part of the discussion , just like Hezbollah’s arms are not part of the discussion.
    The only criminal that is a saint is Barnabas, because Jesus supposedly forgave him when they were crusified.

  10. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Now Hezbollah is using the same tactics that Israel uses when they tell the Palestinians to sit down and talk but they say Jerusalem is not part of the discussion , just like Hezbollah’s arms are not part of the discussion.
    The only criminal that is a saint is Barnabas, because Jesus supposedly forgave him when they were crusified.

  11. plomca Avatar
    plomca

    It has finally come to this. When the murder of Hariri took place, with others to follow, which Hezbollah has now been implicated for at least in Harri’s murder, what Lebanese political party would want to dialogue with this so called political party they call themselves, when they nothing but terrorists. The green line is once again being erected, with non-violent politicians on one side and terrorists on the other side.

    Their is only one of two directions Hezbollah can take now. The first, they could lay down there weapons and oppose all militias and support only the Lebanese Armed Forces and Security Service to be holder of weapons for all Lebanese security needs – internally and externally. Or they can choose the second route, which they go on a killing rampage in Lebanon, executing/assassinating all those that oppose them and their allies, with the support of Iran and Syria.

    From judging by Hezbollah’s past, I predict they will carry out the second option. With the amount of weaponry Hezbollah holds today, I cannot ever imagine they would ever lay down their arms for the sake of peace in Lebanon.

    No dialogue with those who refuse to lay down their arms. Especially when the use them to kill other Lebanese.

  12. Avatar
    Anonymous

    It has finally come to this. When the murder of Hariri took place, with others to follow, which Hezbollah has now been implicated for at least in Harri’s murder, what Lebanese political party would want to dialogue with this so called political party they call themselves, when they nothing but terrorists. The green line is once again being erected, with non-violent politicians on one side and terrorists on the other side.

    Their is only one of two directions Hezbollah can take now. The first, they could lay down there weapons and oppose all militias and support only the Lebanese Armed Forces and Security Service to be holder of weapons for all Lebanese security needs – internally and externally. Or they can choose the second route, which they go on a killing rampage in Lebanon, executing/assassinating all those that oppose them and their allies, with the support of Iran and Syria.

    From judging by Hezbollah’s past, I predict they will carry out the second option. With the amount of weaponry Hezbollah holds today, I cannot ever imagine they would laying down these arms for the sake of peace in Lebanon.

    No dialogue with those who refuse to lay down their arms. Especially when the use them to kill other Lebanese.

  13. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    What dialogue? what coup? Saint Amin  knows there  won’t  be any  dialogue. Smart move on his part;announcing that He won’t  participate in meetings which won’t take place anyway.

  14. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    What dialogue? what coup? Saint Amin  knows there  won’t  be any  dialogue. Smart move on his part;announcing that He won’t  participate in meetings which won’t take place anyway.

  15. Joey Avatar
    Joey

    what dialogue are they talking about oh i see we can talk about anything excepte the arms of hizballah because we wan;t to kill all the lebanese people with is and take over lebanon well done all this bull just to buy time for nasoura so he can see what is going to happen in syria well nasoura the carrot coming toward you this time no one is buying your talk no more killer of the lebanese

  16. Joey Avatar
    Joey

    what dialogue are they talking about oh i see we can talk about anything excepte the arms of hizballah because we wan;t to kill all the lebanese people with is and take over lebanon well done all this bull just to buy time for nasoura so he can see what is going to happen in syria well nasoura the carrot coming toward you this time no one is buying your talk no more killer of the lebanese

  17. Joey Avatar
    Joey

    what dialogue are they talking about oh i see we can talk about anything excepte the arms of hizballah because we wan;t to kill all the lebanese people with is and take over lebanon well done all this bull just to buy time for nasoura so he can see what is going to happen in syria well nasoura the carrot coming toward you this time no one is buying your talk no more killer of the lebanese

  18. persepoliswarrior Avatar
    persepoliswarrior

    They want to turn your beautiful nation into a miniature version of mine.  “The Khameini Colony of Lebanon”.  Beware my Lebanese friends….dont fall for their games…

  19. Avatar
    Anonymous

    They want to turn your beautiful nation into a miniature version of mine.  “The Khameini Colony of Lebanon”.  Beware my Lebanese friends….dont fall for their games…

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