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Another 11 Lebanese ISF officers graduate from US training program

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The US embassy in Beirut issued a press release in which it said 11 another Internal Security Forces (ISF) officers completed the U.S. – Lebanese Supervision and Management Course and that The U.S. instruction team has trained over 7,600 ISF members in basic and advanced leadership courses since January 2008.

Here is the press release:

On July 15, 2011, 11 Officers completed the 13th U.S. – Lebanese Supervision and Management Course, including 8 who also completed the Instructors course, at the Internal Security Forces (ISF) Academy in Warwar. Director of the Office of International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Programs Thaddeus Kontek congratulated them upon their graduation.

The U.S. instruction team has trained over 7,600 ISF members in basic and advanced leadership courses since January 2008. Officers learn the latest technical and leadership skills and how to apply these to on-the-job situations. The training program curriculum includes modern police practices, understanding democratic policing and human rights, criminal investigation procedures and other essential law enforcement skills.

The current $132 million U.S. assistance program to the ISF strengthens the ISF and is part of the overall U.S. security assistance program to Lebanon. The law enforcement assistance program assists the ISF to enforce the rule of law and protect the Lebanese people. The professional development of the ISF is critical for Lebanon’s sovereignty, independence and security.

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101 responses to “Another 11 Lebanese ISF officers graduate from US training program”

  1. leobetapar Avatar
    leobetapar

    ok i got it
    isn’t the ex-chief of the ISF who dare not to come back in Lebanon?
    they are formed in usa to how to make attentat with 2.1 bomb given by germans

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Ok,ok … I know the uniform looks like Hitler’s to you … settle down .. when did you begin this ‘fixation’ on the dictator Hitler bastard we got rid of? When did you begin reading distorted ‘history’ books? What was your childhood like? We worry about you, Leb ….

      1. leobetapar Avatar
        leobetapar

        oepn you ear
        my book it’s the num 4 of the “International Zioiniste Review” in it you have the piture of Herzl receiving the dear doctor Hitler great son of Rabbi S.Hitler of the Guemarra (i signal for your govern the one who wrote about the importance of the details just because there is 2 rabbis Hitler in the Guemarra)and he was with his son Adolph nine years
        now do you want details on Reichmann and Mengele,when someone don’t know like you better to ear innit?

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          My relationship with God is personal … and I don’t live in Israel. And I would prefer not to read obviously slanted titles – which that one must be, as it has the word ‘Zionist’ in it … perhaps I will try to find it somewhere.
            But do you think perhaps they are simply trying to be factual there? You know .. for the sake of accurate history? 
          Can you accept the past without injecting it into the future so often when ‘the discussion’ here is largely trying to find a way to have functional government ‘for the people’ without all the religious crap in it?
            Did you read what that course teaches? One part stands out (understanding democratic policing and human rights) and you should consider what that means – especially for Lebanon. Don’t give us the ‘size of the bomb’ theories over and over (ad infinitum) as we heard you the first time, and the relevance for this story doesn’t exist.

          1. leobetapar Avatar
            leobetapar

            come back on earth i speak of the volume 4 edited by herzl of the Internationales Zioniste Review but you can translate review by annales i guess it have been out in 1880 something

          2. leobetapar Avatar
            leobetapar

            and for the sake of acurate history the great father of doctor hitler (great son of the rabbis S.) barred the doctor from his will what explain the fury of his son Adolph …………and after he meet with VIO Lenine

          3. leobetapar Avatar
            leobetapar

            if iy doesn’t exist explain me how you got a such particular hole behind?

          4. leobetapar Avatar
            leobetapar

            you are a good man that’s obvious but you want to stick with the not to hard to think

      2. leobetapar Avatar
        leobetapar

        guy S&P and ~Moody statr to speak about traiting USA as Portugal and Greece do you imagine
        The great day is far more near than we never hope

      3. leobetapar Avatar
        leobetapar

        hy 5thdrawer have you being stuck by the traffic of the reality?you zioniaste are heretiques every Jewesh congregation have at least one time in his history anathemizied (declared heretique)the zionism .Did you know that Herzl say in an interview for a Paris’ newspaper that he is an ATHE

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          I think you were trying to say ‘Athiest’ ? Did that stick in your throat?

          (Oh dear … I feel a quote coming on …)
          “We don’t see things as they are… We see things as we are.” – Anais Nin

          1. leobetapar Avatar
            leobetapar

            are you sure it’s athiest and not atheist ,i will check a dico
            it’s why i am the only one who see the things as they are in Lebanon as i am nothing near Lebanon (coming from thousands miles away)

      4. leobetapar Avatar
        leobetapar

        so 5drawer you will stop to deny from now that adolph Hitler is a granson of a Rabbi of the Guemarra coming from the elder branch of the great Hillel OK?

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Did I ever deny it? Do you read what I write? Do I care?
          Tell you what … you accept that it doesn’t matter AT ALL in 2011, and I’ll agree that religion doesn’t make the man.

          1. leobetapar Avatar
            leobetapar

            but religion make the man sometimes and sometimes not.
            i have no certitudes if it’s not about fact.
            i don’t try to got followers or things like that

  2. Avatar
    Anonymous

    ok i got it
    isn’t the ex-chief of the ISF who dare not to come back in Lebanon?
    they are formed in usa to how to make attentat with 2.1 bomb given by germans

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      Ok,ok … I know the uniform looks like Hitler’s to you … settle down .. when did you begin this ‘fixation’ on the dictator Hitler bastard we got rid of? When did you begin reading distorted ‘history’ books? What was your childhood like? We worry about you, Leb ….

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        oepn you ear
        my book it’s the num 4 of the “International Zioiniste Review” in it you have the piture of Herzl receiving the dear doctor Hitler great son of Rabbi S.Hitler of the Guemarra (i signal for your govern the one who wrote about the importance of the details just because there is 2 rabbis Hitler in the Guemarra)and he was with his son Adolph nine years
        now do you want details on Reichmann and Mengele,when someone don’t know like you better to ear innit?

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          My relationship with God is personal … and I don’t live in Israel. And I would prefer not to read obviously slanted titles – which that one must be, as it has the word ‘Zionist’ in it … perhaps I will try to find it somewhere.
            But do you think perhaps they are simply trying to be factual there? You know .. for the sake of accurate history? 
          Can you accept the past without injecting it into the future so often when ‘the discussion’ here is largely trying to find a way to have functional government ‘for the people’ without all the religious crap in it?
            Did you read what that course teaches? One part stands out (understanding democratic policing and human rights) and you should consider what that means – especially for Lebanon. Don’t give us the ‘size of the bomb’ theories over and over (ad infinitum) as we heard you the first time, and the relevance for this story doesn’t exist.

          1. Avatar
            Anonymous

            come back on earth i speak of the volume 4 edited by herzl of the Internationales Zioniste Review but you can translate review by annales i guess it have been out in 1880 something

          2. Avatar
            Anonymous

            and for the sake of acurate history the great father of doctor hitler (great son of the rabbis S.) barred the doctor from his will what explain the fury of his son Adolph …………and after he meet with VIO Lenine

          3. Avatar
            Anonymous

            if iy doesn’t exist explain me how you got a such particular hole behind?

          4. Avatar
            Anonymous

            you are a good man that’s obvious but you want to stick with the not to hard to think

      2. Avatar
        Anonymous

        guy S&P and ~Moody statr to speak about traiting USA as Portugal and Greece do you imagine
        The great day is far more near than we never hope

      3. Avatar
        Anonymous

        hy 5thdrawer have you being stuck by the traffic of the reality?you zioniaste are heretiques every Jewesh congregation have at least one time in his history anathemizied (declared heretique)the zionism .Did you know that Herzl say in an interview for a Paris’ newspaper that he is an ATHE

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          I think you were trying to say ‘Athiest’ ? Did that stick in your throat?

          (Oh dear … I feel a quote coming on …)
          “We don’t see things as they are… We see things as we are.” – Anais Nin

          1. Avatar
            Anonymous

            are you sure it’s athiest and not atheist ,i will check a dico
            it’s why i am the only one who see the things as they are in Lebanon as i am nothing near Lebanon (coming from thousands miles away)

      4. Avatar
        Anonymous

        so 5drawer you will stop to deny from now that adolph Hitler is a granson of a Rabbi of the Guemarra coming from the elder branch of the great Hillel OK?

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Did I ever deny it? Do you read what I write? Do I care?
          Tell you what … you accept that it doesn’t matter AT ALL in 2011, and I’ll agree that religion doesn’t make the man.

          1. Avatar
            Anonymous

            but religion make the man sometimes and sometimes not.
            i have no certitudes if it’s not about fact.
            i don’t try to got followers or things like that

  3. 5thDrawer Avatar
    5thDrawer

    “Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.”  – Chinese Proverb

    1. leobetapar Avatar
      leobetapar

      CIA brain wash them but they must fight the baasist army
      is it “plot for a collective suicide” the title of your film?

  4. Avatar
    Anonymous

    “Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.”  – Chinese Proverb

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      CIA brain wash them but they must fight the baasist army
      is it “plot for a collective suicide” the title of your film?

  5. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Do  we have   the right to question  the loyalty  of  any  officer  trained  outside of the  country  by a foreign  army  ?

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      Inside the military, that is something questioned all the time – everywhere.
        One could think there is always a danger in this – both to the training country, and the trained – as politicians can be so fickle in alliances and their use of the military –  but since WWII especially, it has been seen by ‘Professional Military’ people as a benefit to both countries. It is not so much a case of ‘knowing your enemy’ as ‘meeting different minds’ and enjoying the fruits of that for all involved. It helps to get rid of ‘pre-conceptions’ of your allies as well.
        Since we assume ‘alliance’ is more beneficial than ‘distrust’ for all our people, and peace is better than war, we can welcome the peace of mind good and varied training will give for our respective military men and women.
      (oh … well … women eventually, of course 😉  

      1. leobetapar Avatar
        leobetapar

        so it’s nice for your militatries to train say in Iran? or are you against?
        and you will see me heavy like an ass but i want to remenber you that’s Adolph Hitler has be train in Austrian army not German (all that to say i wait your answer or  are you escaping?)

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Ok .. you’re an ass.
          Military minds will train anywhere there’s a military … they like it.
          Military minds also like to contribute (in service) something to their country. It’s beneficial to all the people.
          How their politicians abuse them is a different matter … 

          Oh … and by the way … countries should only have one army in service, and one police force in service.
          And I guess I need to add … IN SERVICE for ALL the people.

      2. leobetapar Avatar
        leobetapar

        you still have to wash your mind insulting have no use just tell me you agree isf go to teheran for a formation ?just answer pls

    2. leobetapar Avatar
      leobetapar

      if the training camp  was in Iran which will be the reaction of anyone?

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Mine would be:
          “GREAT !! The Iranians are free to think for themselves, have a democracy, and are allies against oppression AND terrorists while affording their own people the right to live a long, happy, and productive life.”

        Maybe in the year 2582 you can ask me again … 

        1. leobetapar Avatar
          leobetapar

          no we ask now is it ok for teheran to form isf ? answer plse without derobades

      2. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        I think the  discussion  would  be similar ,and maybe   worse, if these officers were being trained in Iran.

    3. antar2011 Avatar
      antar2011

      because of lebanon’s inability to stand up on its own feet without international aid [unfortunately], then we cannot judge loyalties without seeing clear actions translating where loyalties are.

  6. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Do  we have   the right to question  the loyalty  of  any  officer  trained  outside of the  country  by a foreign  army  ?

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      Inside the military, that is something questioned all the time – everywhere.
        One could think there is always a danger in this – both to the training country, and the trained – as politicians can be so fickle in alliances and their use of the military –  but since WWII especially, it has been seen by ‘Professional Military’ people as a benefit to both countries. It is not so much a case of ‘knowing your enemy’ as ‘meeting different minds’ and enjoying the fruits of that for all involved. It helps to get rid of ‘pre-conceptions’ of your allies as well.
        Since we assume ‘alliance’ is more beneficial than ‘distrust’ for all our people, and peace is better than war, we can welcome the peace of mind good and varied training will give for our respective military men and women.
      (oh … well … women eventually, of course 😉  

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        so it’s nice for your militatries to train say in Iran? or are you against?
        and you will see me heavy like an ass but i want to remenber you that’s Adolph Hitler has be train in Austrian army not German (all that to say i wait your answer or  are you escaping?)

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          Ok .. you’re an ass.
          Military minds will train anywhere there’s a military … they like it.
          Military minds also like to contribute (in service) something to their country. It’s beneficial to all the people.
          How their politicians abuse them is a different matter … 

      2. Avatar
        Anonymous

        you still have to wash your mind insulting have no use just tell me you agree isf go to teheran for a formation ?just answer pls

    2. Avatar
      Anonymous

      if the training camp  was in Iran which will be the reaction of anyone?

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        Mine would be:
          “GREAT !! The Iranians are free to think for themselves, have a democracy, and are allies against oppression AND terrorists while affording their own people the right to live a long, happy, and productive life.”

        Maybe in the year 2582 you can ask me again … 

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          no we ask now is it ok for teheran to form isf ? answer plse without derobades

      2. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        I think the  discussion  would  be similar ,and maybe   worse, if these officers were being trained in Iran.

    3. Avatar
      Anonymous

      because of lebanon’s inability to stand up on its own feet without international aid [unfortunately], then we cannot judge loyalties without seeing clear actions translating where loyalties are.

  7. libnan1 Avatar
    libnan1

    You can train a person to do anything but there is no point in training them if you do give people the tools to apply their knowledge !!!! 

  8. Avatar
    Anonymous

    You can train a person to do anything but there is no point in training them if you do give people the tools to apply their knowledge !!!! 

  9. Guest Avatar
    Guest

    The training these officers receive is useless unless they think as Lebanese and not as Maronites, Sunnis,  Shiites or any religion they happen to be.
    The reason the Lebanese army can”t take Hesbollah weapons away because the army is not united and the minute stife happen they brake up into different groups depending on their religion.
    That is the reason  the Army or  Security Forces can not be relied on .

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      Ex40mm
      You are absolutely right, it all comes down to whether we can build a national identity or not.
      Had Lebanon had a national identity that all Lebanese relate to, We wouldn’t have had any  of the civil wars, nor could Israel  have invaded  and  divided  us ,hence the need  for a resistance would not  have  been a divisive  issue.

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Would have worked if the Syrians had left it the way the French made it after WWI ….

        Now it takes a lot more resolve … and ‘discussion’ …

        (see way below)
        And to good old confrontational Leo – be – t -par …
        Hard to imagine the place getting smaller … but they just did it in Sudan. Maybe that will work.
        Seems the idiots in the south enjoy being under fire all the time …

        (see below)
        To Prophet T …
        Sorry … Leo evokes silly responses … I apologize.
        And I remember the old tin shacks that made up the refugee camps ….
        For sure nothing has been ‘politically correct’ for aeons … and REAL restructuring needs to take place. In MINDS.
        Can we get the religions out of it? Can the so-called ‘politicians’ set those aside from their running of a country FOR the people who wish to live there? If Israel wants to be a ‘Jewish State’ in it’s idiocy, does Lebanon HAVE to be a ‘Muslim OR WHATEVER State’ to ‘resist’ and have sovereignty? In 2011 is Israel really looking to expand it’s borders and cost itself more lives and money to do so? If Lebanon could ‘get it together’ wouldn’t that be enough ‘resistance’?
        It’s all very stupid. Maybe why I pump in silly comments from time to time … might as well join the crowd.
        And that’s depressing …

        1. leobetapar Avatar
          leobetapar

          the way of the french was the division So what do you ask a separation of the north libanon from the south and let alone the shia with the Zioniaste entity? is it that?

        2. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          5THDrawer,
          People in the south have been left defenseless, helpless for years when Lebanese were priding themselves of their ‘Paris of the middle east”. For sixty some  years, the  south  was  neglected and defenseless, and no one did anything  about it except sending  blankets and  some  rotten  rice, and expired  powdered milk. You need  to  re-read  your  own  history  with Israel and its  aggression. I don’t remember the last time Lebanon invaded Israel and occupied part  of it, nor do I remember the  last time Lebanese air force violated and  flew over Israeli  airspace. If  you  do,  please  refresh  my  memory.
          So let’s  be realistic  here, we  always  had an irresponsible   state, weak  army, and the southerners were never  counted  as  part of this  nation. Now that they did defend themselves and succeeded, everyone became uncomfortable with their presence and their successes.
          I reiterate when I  said in  my  previous  comments, we need a common  national identity,   a reformed nonsectarian political  structure  that  makes  every one feel part  of this  nation,  modern  electoral  law where  everyone feels  counted, true representation   where  everyone is politician and official is accountable, and where   everyone  shares  same  responsibilities and  duties, and  everyone enjoys same   rights. We  need a law and order  state where  everyone is under the law, from  the  president  down  to  the  average  citizen.
          Lebanon needs  to  be  rebuild, and restructured  in  many different  ways, so we can have a unified  nation, and a  strong  army that  can  defend the land  and its  people. The old  formula has  failed, and will continue to fail.
          As for your comparison to Sudan, dividing the country can never work for many reasons. You  also  need  to  remember that others  have the  right  to  disagree with  you, without being  looked  at  as  enemies. Would  you  have  recommended  dividing  the  country  in  the  sixties when others  didn’t  count? I BET NOT.

      2. leobetapar Avatar
        leobetapar

        there is nothing as absolute national identity even in contry like France let alone arab country  Where ia the national identity of Lybia today
        you have to build with the diversity in 3 century shia will be shia ,maronites will be maronites and so on

      3. Beiruti Avatar
        Beiruti

        You  also  need  to  remember that others  have the  right  to  disagree with  you, without being  looked  at  as  enemies. -PROPHET.T
        I agree, but at the same time can we disagree without being called Zionists, or Anti-Shi’ite, Anti-Palestine, some cases by people on this website i was considered a Mossad Agent by some people due to the fact i am Anti-HA and Anti-PLO. 

        Lebanon’s a toilet, it will keep spinning until all the shit is flushed. Lets face it, history proves that a civil war stains a countries history and people. In Spain for example a lot of division was caused, but tell me one Spanish person that even gives a sh*t what happened in Spain.

        After the civil war generation is all dead, people like me and you. And after all the fanatical teenagers influenced by their parents nowadays who blindly support sh*t here and there are all gone Lebanon will be better. In 100-200 years Lebanon will either laugh or not give a shit when they hear words like PLO, Phalange, LF, HA, Amal, etc, etc.  

        Most Lebanese dont give a shit anymore about the news, i dont even read newpaper anymore. Politics is almost like Sports, tell me one soccer player that loved his fans and supporters more than his money. Its become a joke in general, i honestly dont care much. But i still say no to HA arms, its becoming disgusting here i dont know if you live in Lebanon or not, but for ex whats happening alot is you have little Shi’ite thugs here acting like they run everything because their “uncles second cousin knows someone from Hezbollah” and using this as a threat. 

        Lebanese people are the biggest winners eh? Yet the ones who say that probably killed their own brother because he married a women of a different religion. We dont have much a proud history, we were created in 1943, and the everyones Lebanon is diferent lol.

        1. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          Beiruti,
          I have never preached what I don’t practice. I have always carried my discussion with you and others without throwing insults , accusations, or name calling. As a matter of fact, I was so discouraged by the level of insults and accusations ,thrown by some, to the point of deciding to stop commenting anymore. For a while I did stop, and when I fall for the temptation, I only reply to serious people.
          I have always urged people to keep this site a discussion site instead of insult site. If anyone ever felt insulted by something I said, it never was my intention to offend or insult anyone. I believe in agreeing to disagree, and respect other people’s views.

    2. leobetapar Avatar
      leobetapar

      you forget only one thing my dear :Hezbollah is a part integrante and LEGITIMATE of the army

      1. Guest Avatar
        Guest

        What army? The Syrian or the Iranian army?
        There are Shiites in the Lebanese army, like there are Maronites, Druzes,Sunnis and other religions . They are trying to integrate Hezbollah  in the Lebanese army to no avail because they take their orders from outside Lebanon.

        1. leobetapar Avatar
          leobetapar

          to integrate the great good who defeat the little shaytan in a army who have never ever fighjt any outside ennemies who can only plunder palestinian refugies?????????? Are you sane do you know what you say,if the Lebanese army want Hezbollah can send them some trainers to show them first how not to fly when in view of tsahal

      2. Guest Avatar
        Guest

        What army? The Syrian or the Iranian army?
        There are Shiites in the Lebanese army, like there are Maronites, Druzes,Sunnis and other religions . They are trying to integrate Hezbollah  in the Lebanese army to no avail because they take their orders from outside Lebanon.

      3. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        Bull Shit.

        1. leobetapar Avatar
          leobetapar

          nothing to say
          interjection you use when you are down and beat

      4. 316909 Avatar
        316909

        Hezbollah is not part of the Army and will never be a part of the Army. Its only a matter of time now before HA will no longer exist. Yugoslavia was torn into shreds by the same court as the stl and they tried the same tricks. cut funding, take the government by force, denounce the court until Milosivic died in prison. Now if you think HA is stronger than Yugoslavia then youre truly mad.

        1. leobetapar Avatar
          leobetapar

          you are very very weak in logic if you want to compare you have to do so equalling Yougoslavia with Lebanon and not with HA,and the different fractions with the milicia >If you was looking adequatly you will have seen that in fact the one who are acting exactly like the serbs are the sunnites i am eager to see the OTAN bombing the useless sunnites

    3. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      The fact it incorporates all people of the country called ‘Lebanon’ is a step in the right direction to being a ‘National’ Army for a Nation … without their myriad religions getting in the way of duty to country. That’s what should make it ‘united’. And we have seen they are succeeding in keeping ‘strife’ down to a minimum.

  10. Avatar
    Anonymous

    The training these officers receive is useless unless they think as Lebanese and not as Maronites, Sunnis,  Shiites or any religion they happen to be.
    The reason the Lebanese army can”t take Hesbollah weapons away because the army is not united and the minute stife happen they brake up into different groups depending on their religion.
    That is the reason  the Army or  Security Forces can not be relied on .

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      Ex40mm
      You are absolutely right, it all comes down to whether we can build a national identity or not.
      Had Lebanon had a national identity that all Lebanese relate to, We wouldn’t have had any  of the civil wars, nor could Israel  have invaded  and  divided  us ,hence the need  for a resistance would not  have  been a divisive  issue.

      1. Avatar
        Anonymous

        Would have worked if the Syrians had left it the way the French made it after WWI ….

        Now it takes a lot more resolve … and ‘discussion’ …

        1. Avatar
          Anonymous

          the way of the french was the division So what do you ask a separation of the north libanon from the south and let alone the shia with the Zioniaste entity? is it that?

        2. PROPHET.T Avatar
          PROPHET.T

          5THDrawer,
          People in the south have been left defenseless, helpless for years when Lebanese were priding themselves of their ‘Paris of the middle east”. For sixty some  years, the  south  was  neglected and defenseless, and no one did anything  about it except sending  blankets and  some  rotten  rice, and expired  powdered milk. You need  to  re-read  your  own  history  with Israel and its  aggression. I don’t remember the last time Lebanon invaded Israel and occupied part  of it, nor do I remember the  last time Lebanese air force violated and  flew over Israeli  airspace. If  you  do,  please  refresh  my  memory.
          So let’s  be realistic  here, we  always  had an irresponsible   state, weak  army, and the southerners were never  counted  as  part of this  nation. Now that they did defend themselves and succeeded, everyone became uncomfortable with their presence and their successes.
          I reiterate when I  said in  my  previous  comments, we need a common  national identity,   a reformed nonsectarian political  structure  that  makes  every one feel part  of this  nation,  modern  electoral  law where  everyone feels  counted, true representation   where  everyone is politician and official is accountable, and where   everyone  shares  same  responsibilities and  duties, and  everyone enjoys same   rights. We  need a law and order  state where  everyone is under the law, from  the  president  down  to  the  average  citizen.
          Lebanon needs  to  be  rebuild, and restructured  in  many different  ways, so we can have a unified  nation, and a  strong  army that  can  defend the land  and its  people. The old  formula has  failed, and will continue to fail.
          As for your comparison to Sudan, dividing the country can never work for many reasons. You  also  need  to  remember that others  have the  right  to  disagree with  you, without being  looked  at  as  enemies. Would  you  have  recommended  dividing  the  country  in  the  sixties when others  didn’t  count? I BET NOT.

      2. Avatar
        Anonymous

        there is nothing as absolute national identity even in contry like France let alone arab country  Where ia the national identity of Lybia today
        you have to build with the diversity in 3 century shia will be shia ,maronites will be maronites and so on

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        Anonymous

        You  also  need  to  remember that others  have the  right  to  disagree with  you, without being  looked  at  as  enemies. -PROPHET.T
        I agree, but at the same time can we disagree without being called Zionists, or Anti-Shi’ite, Anti-Palestine, some cases by people on this website i was considered a Mossad Agent by some people due to the fact i am Anti-HA and Anti-PLO. 

        Lebanon’s a toilet, it will keep spinning until all the shit is flushed. Lets face it, history proves that a civil war stains a countries history and people. In Spain for example a lot of division was caused, but tell me one Spanish person that even gives a sh*t what happened in Spain.

        After the civil war generation is all dead, people like me and you. And after all the fanatical teenagers influenced by their parents nowadays who blindly support sh*t here and there are all gone Lebanon will be better. In 100-200 years Lebanon will either laugh or not give a shit when they hear words like PLO, Phalange, LF, HA, Amal, etc, etc.  

        Most Lebanese dont give a shit anymore about the news, i dont even read newpaper anymore. Politics is almost like Sports, tell me one soccer player that loved his fans and supporters more than his money. Its become a joke in general, i honestly dont care much. But i still say no to HA arms, its becoming disgusting here i dont know if you live in Lebanon or not, but for ex whats happening alot is you have little Shi’ite thugs here acting like they run everything because their “uncles second cousin knows someone from Hezbollah” and using this as a threat. 

        Lebanese people are the biggest winners eh? Yet the ones who say that probably killed their own brother because he married a women of a different religion. We dont have much a proud history, we were created in 1943, and the everyones Lebanon is diferent lol.

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          PROPHET.T

          Beiruti,
          I have never preached what I don’t practice. I have always carried my discussion with you and others without throwing insults , accusations, or name calling. As a matter of fact, I was so discouraged by the level of insults and accusations ,that many people resort to, the point of deciding to stop commenting anymore. For a while I did stop, and when I fall for the temptation, I only reply to serious people.
          I have always urged people to keep this site a discussion site instead of insult site. If anyone ever felt insulted by something I said, it never was my intention to offend or insult anyone. I believe in agreeing to disagree, and respect other people’s views.

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      Anonymous

      you forget only one thing my dear :Hezbollah is a part integrante and LEGITIMATE of the army

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        Anonymous

        What army? The Syrian or the Iranian army?
        There are Shiites in the Lebanese army, like there are Maronites, Druzes,Sunnis and other religions . They are trying to integrate Hezbollah  in the Lebanese army to no avail because they take their orders from outside Lebanon.

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          Anonymous

          to integrate the great good who defeat the little shaytan in a army who have never ever fighjt any outside ennemies who can only plunder palestinian refugies?????????? Are you sane do you know what you say,if the Lebanese army want Hezbollah can send them some trainers to show them first how not to fly when in view of tsahal

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          Anonymous

          to integrate the great good who defeat the little shaytan in a army who have never ever fighjt any outside ennemies who can only plunder palestinian refugies?????????? Are you sane do you know what you say,if the Lebanese army want Hezbollah can send them some trainers to show them first how not to fly when in view of tsahal

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        Anonymous

        Bull Shit.

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          Anonymous

          nothing to say
          interjection you use when you are down and beat

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        Anonymous

        Hezbollah is not part of the Army and will never be a part of the Army. Its only a matter of time now before HA will no longer exist. Yugoslavia was torn into shreds by the same court as the stl and they tried the same tricks. cut funding, take the government by force, denounce the court until Milosivic died in prison. Now if you think HA can is stronger than Yugoslavia then youre truly mad.

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          Anonymous

          you are very very weak in logic if you want to compare you have to do so equalling Yougoslavia with Lebanon and not with HA,and the different fractions with the milicia >If you was looking adequatly you will have seen that in fact the one who are acting exactly like the serbs are the sunnites i am eager to see the OTAN bombing the useless sunnites

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      Anonymous

      The fact it incorporates all people of the country called ‘Lebanon’ is a step in the right direction to being a ‘National’ Army for a Nation … without their myriad religions getting in the way. That’s what should make it ‘united’. And we have seen they are succeeding in keeping ‘strife’ down to a minimum.

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    antar2011

    i welcome any training/aid/funds/equipment to LEBANESE officials/army/system etc. because as we all know, lebanon was not given a chance to develop ever since its establishment.

    what’s not right and in any other country, illegal, is to give this aid/funds/weapons/training to one particular party who thinks itself and its members above the LEBANESE laws and….. traditions.

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      leobetapar

      great you are in the queu just after Syria.Be patient Khameney will come soon with some Bn$

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    Anonymous

    i welcome any training/aid/funds/equipment to LEBANESE officials/army/system etc. because as we all know, lebanon was not given a chance to develop ever since its establishment.

    what’s not right and in any other country, illegal, is to give this aid/funds/weapons/training to one particular party who thinks itself and its members above the LEBANESE laws and….. traditions.

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      Anonymous

      great you are in the queu just after Syria.Be patient Khameney will come soon with some Bn$

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    josephphdman

    thank you usa but this number should be at least 111000 to be effective for a state like lebanon

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    Anonymous

    thank you usa but this number should be at least 111000 to be effective for a state like lebanon

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    Leborigine

    Are you people here for real??
    How can you compare iran to USA. It’s chalk and cheese.
    What has iran contributed to the modern world besides oppression and stoning women for petty crimes.
    Besides, what does iran have anything to do with Lebanon?? There has been a long standing history between Lebanon and the USA to say the least!!
    Despite that relationship, I agree that we should not be training in other countries by foreign governments. We are capable of doing things on our own, but as usual and as a failed state, we have to rely on others for basic needs.

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    Anonymous

    Are you people here for real??
    How can you compare iran to USA. It’s chalk and cheese.
    What has iran contributed to the modern world besides oppression and stoning women for petty crimes.
    Besides, what does iran have anything to do with Lebanon?? There has been a long standing history between Lebanon and the USA to say the least!!
    Despite that relationship, I agree that we should not be training in other countries by foreign governments. We are capable of doing things on our own, but as usual and as a failed state, we have to rely on others for basic needs.

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