Israeli company under fire for trade with Iran

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One of Israel’s wealthiest families has kicked up a furor for doing something the country’s leaders have campaigned against for years: trading with Iran.

The Ofer Brothers Group is now facing a widespread public backlash, fueled not only by its alleged dealings with Israel’s fiercest foe but also by popular sentiment against the fabulously rich and new friction between Israel and the U.S. over the affair.

“I think this is very serious. We preach to the world to impose sanctions on Iran, and it turns out that an Israeli company might be involved in dealing with them,” said Nachman Shai, a lawmaker with the opposition Kadima Party.

He said it would be critical to find out what the government knew, wondering whether other Israeli companies have illicit dealings with Iran. “I have lots of questions and no answers,” he said.

The scandal has entangled a family that many Israelis love to hate because of the vastness of its holdings in the heavily centralized Israeli economy.

Octogenarian brothers Sammy and Yuli Ofer own Zim Integrated Shipping Services, one of the world’s biggest container shipping companies, and control The Israel Corp., Israel’s largest holding company, with assets in shipping, chemicals, energy and transportation. They also have holdings in real estate and banking.

This year Forbes magazine estimated their fortune at $10.3 billion, ranking them among the world’s wealthiest men and putting them among Israel’s most generous and high-profile philanthropists.

Last week, their reputation took a major hit when the Ofer Brothers were among seven foreign companies sanctioned by the U.S. for doing business with Iran that helps fund its nuclear program. The Ofers were accused of selling an oil tanker to Iran through a Singapore subsidiary.

The brothers have not commented publicly on the matter. Through a spokesman, they have said the $8.5 million deal, small for the massive conglomerate, was conducted unwittingly with an Iranian shell company. Nonetheless, the company said it was embarrassed.

Such explanations have done little to calm the uproar.

Israeli leaders repeatedly have identified Iran to be the greatest threat to Israel. Israel, like most of the international community, believes Iran is developing nuclear weapons, despite its denials and its concerns have been heightened by Iranian calls for Israel’s destruction and Tehran’s support for anti-Israel militant groups.

The sale of the ship could violate Israeli law as well, under legislation barring ties with an enemy state. The Ofers may also have run afoul of this same law by transporting Iranian oil — an activity not outlawed in the U.S.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu denied the family’s claims that the government authorized its activities.

“The prime minister’s office did not authorize these contacts,” a Netanyahu associate cited the prime minister as telling parliament’s foreign affairs and defense committee on Monday. “They were not authorized to go (to Iran) or to deliver cargo to Iran. We have a clear-cut policy on this matter.”

The associate spoke on condition of anonymity because the meeting was closed.

Calls for a criminal investigation into the Ofers’ dealings with Iran are mounting, and the attorney general’s office said it was considering a probe.

“The attorney general undoubtedly has to order a criminal investigation because we are talking about a grave criminal offense,” Israel Radio’s legal affairs analyst, Moshe Negbi, said on Tuesday. “We have a law that explicitly forbids trade with the enemy, carrying a penalty of (up to) seven years’ imprisonment.”

The recently retired head of the Mossad, Meir Dagan, said this week that the case had been blown out of proportion. Israeli defense officials said a joint investigation with the U.S. concluded the Ofers had not committed any security offenses. A TV report Tuesday hinted that the Ofers have worked with Israeli security in the past. It cited anonymous defense officials but gave no evidence.

The U.S. sanctions, which ban the Ofer Brothers and their Singapore subsidiary from obtaining U.S. export licenses and American bank loans topping $10 million, came at an embarrassing time.

Netanyahu was in the U.S., winding up a strained visit to Washington in which he publicly differed with President Barack Obama over Mideast peacemaking. Throughout his visit, Netanyahu repeatedly voiced concerns about the Iranian nuclear program.

The affair, known as “Ofergate” in the Israeli media, is the latest public relations fiasco for the family. Critics have long charged they were allowed to buy up privatized government assets, including the Zim shipping company, on the cheap. The family’s chemical and energy businesses have also been accused of polluting the environment and playing a significant role in the alarming shrinking of the fabled Dead Sea.

Several years ago, the Ofers took a beating in the media after Sammy Ofer, an art collector, withdrew a planned $20 million donation to the Tel Aviv Museum of Art after other donors objected to naming the museum for him and his wife. The shipping magnate later gave large donations to an Israeli hospital around the corner from the museum and to Britain’s national maritime museum.

Some critics saw a pernicious sign of the Ofers’ influence when major television channels refused to broadcast a documentary film about the connection between big money and government in Israel that focused on the family. Eventually the film was broadcast on state TV after the station agreed to show a filmed response produced by the Ofers.

AP

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24 responses to “Israeli company under fire for trade with Iran”

  1. eblashko Avatar
    eblashko

     These fat-cat traitors should be hung. Sickening and disgusting.

    1. kareemthehippy Avatar
      kareemthehippy

      @eblashko:disqus , @Hannibal:disqus  – when the shiite cleric spies for Israel, he’s trying to make peace…but when these dudes make business with Iran, albeit to a leader who is just as brutal as Netanyahu (just with different methods) , they should be hung? Maybe they’re giving peace a chance, albeit with a dictator who I HATE with a passion of 1000 Kuwaiti shining suns… .but you make peace with your enemies and not your friends. 

      1. eblashko Avatar
        eblashko

        This isn’t spying. They suppying Iran with military helicopters. That’s treason. Hardly peaceful.

        Plus, Iran wants to completely destroy my country. They preach it every day. Israel has nothing against Lebanon and is spying merely for self defense from the ayatollah’s army unit in Lebanon (HA).

        But I am still very much for peace with Iran. We had it until 1979. And unlike the average Lebanese guy, who has good reason to hate us, we’ve never done anything bad to the Persians, so while their government spews hatred, I don’t thin the average Iranian hates us one way or the other. Jews lived there happily until 1979, 30 years after the birth of Israel, with absolutely no problems. All totalitarian governments need a convenient target to direct people’s anger towards. The ayatollahs looked to the Nazis for inspiration and have chosen the Jews. Hopefully their government will fall soon like the third Reich did.

        1. kareemthehippy Avatar
          kareemthehippy

          Yeah, but that Shiite Cleric in Lebanon spying is causing an act of treason too. Not peaceful either.  To most Israelis I know, Hezbollah isn’t the problem.  Because the Lebanese president spoke to Bashar Al Assad and let Ahmedinajad visit Lebanon to enforce his neutrality (even though im not a huge fan of our current president but he’s better than Emile Lahoud), many Zionist politicians, supporters, and pundits started saying Lebanon’s government is pro-Iran, and the US is saying it may have to stop funding Lebanon’s army ebcause it’s becoming proSyria and Iran . Jumping to all these conclusions all the time.

          The Ayatollah is pretty messed up, although there are Jews in Israel who are surprisingly living okay, but I think it’s because Ahmedinejad is trying to make a statement. I dont like him, but I hate it when journalists interview him and cut parts out and report the edited versions live. I think all interviews, no matter with who should be released 100% authentic.  It’s because Ahmedinejad talked about how he doesn’t hate Jews but isn’t for Zionism because of the atrocities of the Palestinians (which made him see somewhat humanitarian) .. i still dont like him, even after watching the full interview which was on an independent US news radio show called Democracy Now, but still. I think Netanyahu is a war criminal who deserves to end up in the same place as Ahmedinejad.

      2. eblashko Avatar
        eblashko

        Dude, you are 100% wrong about Israelis being against regular Lebanese. Sarkozy speaks to Assad and we have good relations with France. China and Russia are great allies of Iran, and we have relations with them. It has nothing to do with it. You ask 1,000 Israelis if they’d prefer peace with Lebanon to war, and 1,000 would say yes.

        And by the way, I know it’s the favorite thing to say these days “I’m not anti-Jewish, just anti-Zionist” but they’re the same thing. If you believe one people has a right to their homeland and another doesn’t, for whatever reason, then you’re a racist. It’s as simple as that. Zionism in its truest form, before it was hijacked by the religious settlers, means simply the Jews should have a country in their ancestral homeland (and not necessarily in all of it).

        It’s like saying “I’m not anti Kurd, I’m just anti Kurdistan”. So the Turks, Persians, and Arabs are entitled to have their countries but the Kurds aren’t.

        If Ahmedeijad is anti-Zionist only because of our “atrocities”, then he’s a hypocrite for having good relations with countries that are committing far worse atrocities, like his ally Sudan for example, who has killed over 100,000 in Darfur, or more obviously Syria, who’s Baathist regime has killed far more of their own people than Israel ever has. And although they’re not allies, he’s never criticized Jordan, who in Black September killed 20,000 Palestinians, more than Israel ever has.

        But by singling out Israel (who’s “atrocities” were committed in the act of self-defense) while ignoring, and even defending the others, who commit worse atrocities, he is being a RACIST. This has nothing to do with Zionism. It’s anti-Jewish.

        And as bad as Netanyahu is for Israel, he’s nowhere near as terrible for the world as Ahmedinijad or his HA puppet in Lebanon.

        1. kareemthehippy Avatar
          kareemthehippy

          I hate how people compare Arabs and Jews. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.  Youre comparing an ethnic group to a religion.  I don’t beleive that countries should be formed based on religion, that being said, I don’t believe in Islamic republics either. I’m not singling out a certain religion or ethnic group.  Kurds and Kurdistan are based on a united ethnic group of multiple religions. Whether it’s mentioned in a holy book or whether it was their’s ages ago, it doesn’t justify getting rid of the current settlers. I’m just for people.  When people are displaced, that’s wrong, for any reason whatsoever.  If a country is fighting a just war, and the civilians of the opposition are being displaced, then I say that country is doing a bad job, if it’s creating a refugee problem. 

          I don’t see why there was the need to create a new state that was dedicated to one religion, when there was true coexistance. 

          Netanyahu is just as terrible, because even though Ahmedinejad killed alot of his own people and was the reason of alot of problems in Lebanon, Netanyahu did the same thing with Palestinians and Lebanese, but was championed in the news because it was “self-defense” . It’s all about perspective.  Maybe you need to be the victim of BOTH Iran and Israel to understand,  to be in that “grey area” just like I am.

          At this point, I don’t want somethign that will benefit one party, but both.  That’s why I don’t agree with Netanyahu on the peace policy he’s trying to stir up. It’s not because he’s Jewish, or because he’s Netanyahu, or because he got into a fight with Justin Bieber, but because it’s not a true offer for peace in my opinion that will justly benefit both parties.  As someone who wants peace, I dont think you believe that my personal opinions and suggestions are in the interest of Israeli people..but I do.  I’m not against the state of Israel, I’m realistic too. I just know the conflict will end with a return to the 1967 borders, and it’s what most people really want. A TRUE 2 state solution..no more checkpoints and settlements illegally taking over 60% of the territory int eh West Bank..the Palestinians barely have land to begin with.  It requires sacrifice from both ends. 

          I didnt mean to go off on that tangent, but I think you understand me a bit more now

        2. eblashko Avatar
          eblashko

          Kareem, for the millionth time, Jews and Arabs are apples and apples. Yes, Judaism is a religion, but Jews are an ethnic group. There’s a reason antisemitism is called antisemitism – because Jews are Semites.

          You seem to not be able to separate the concepts of Jews, who fit all
          the criteria of a distinct ethnic group, and Judaism which is just a
          religion that most Jews practice.

          I’m sure I’ve already told you about how Jews never considered themselves members of the ethnic groups of their host populations and how members of the ethnic groups we lived amongst never considered us part of their groups either. We’ve maintained a separate identity throughout the 2,000 years of diaspora, clinging to our Semitic past, both culturally, linguistically, genetically, and nationally.

          I’ve told you that Jews have been a very insular community, with cases of conversion and intermarriage being very rare. In Christian Europe and the Muslim Middle East, conversion to Judaism was punishable by death.

          I’ve already told you about my family history. My grandparents suddenly being kicked out of Morocco, Poland, and Hungary, where they had lived for hundreds of years, never bothering the host populations, maintaining their own culture, language, and beliefs.

          I’ve also told you plenty of times about the dozens of genetic studies done on Jews which have proven common, Levantine ancestors for Jews from every part of the world. I’ve told you about the Jew-specific genetic diseases like Tay-Sachs and Gaucher’s disease. Or about how 75% of Jews with the last name “Cohen” are descended from one man. I see it’s failed to make you understand.

          Jew comes from the Latin word Judea (Hebrew Yehuda) which was the political and geographical term for what is today Israel before the Romans changed the name to Palaestina to add insult to the Jews after kicking us out. So Jew was originally “Judean”, which is a political and geographic demonym.

          Zionism, as I’m sure I’ve said before, is a secular movement. Our first four prime ministers were atheists. Our national anthem doesn’t mention the word god, or the religion at all. Our laws are based on British common Law rather than that of any scripture. The laws of Judaism have nothing to do with the laws of the state. (Religious Jews and Muslim Arabs are exempt from Army, which is religious favoritism and is total bullshit, but the laws of the state aren’t religious).

          Religiously, Judaism is very heterogenous on its own. There are three kinds of Judaism; Rabbinic, Karaite, and Samaritan. All three are as different from each other as Druze, Alawite, Sunni, and Shiite. Members of the Jewish ethnic group practice many different forms of this religion.

          There are examples of adherents to Judaism who are ethnically not Jews and who have maintained their previous ethnic, linguistic, and cultural heritage. They most well known case are the Crimean Karaites. Because of their Turkic rather than Semitic origins, they were the only adherents of Judaism under Nazi rule that weren’t sent to the slaughter.

          Additionally, there are many Jews who aren’t adherents of Judaism. There are two settlements in Israel, one in the Galilee and one in the Negev, where the inhabitants are Jews who follow the spiritual teachings of Hindus. There are many “Jews for Jesus” living all over the country, who are Jews who have accepted the Christian faith, but still retain their Jewish heritage culture, and Hebrew language.

          A special case is the In Spain and Portugal, many Jews were forced to convert to Catholicism or die. Most assimilated totally, but some communities, like the Belmonte Jews, became Catholics, but strictly married within their community, refrained from pork, and lit candles on the Jewish, rather than Christian Sabbath day, and 500 years later, the group rejoined mainstream Judaism, and genetic tests have shown that they maintained their genetic heritage the entire time.

          So in all those ways Jews and Israel are just like Kurds in Kurdistan. Just because the majority of Kurds are Muslim doesn’t mean that Kurdistan would be a religious state, the same way that Israel isn’t a religious state… it’s a nation state, which is why Netanyahu says all the time that if the Arab world wants us to recognize Palestine as the nation state for the Palestinian people, then they have to recognize Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people.

          As far as Netanyahu, I hate him, don’t get me wrong, but it’s for the reasons you said about peace (you’re 100% right aobut that), not for the reasons about killing. Many Palestinians and Lebanese want to kill us. Maybe I don’t understand your position you’re right, but you don’t seem to understand ours. These people aren’t just hostile. They want to kill me. They threaten it all the time. And while I concede the 2006 War was excessive, unnecessary, and even harmful for Israel (I won’t concede that the Gaza War was, though) that wasn’t Netanyahu. Neither time. Since he’s been PM, it’s actually been quite quiet. That’s the only nice thing I’ll say about him though.

      3. Hannibal Avatar
        Hannibal

        Hate is a strong word but hate with 1000 Kuwaiti shining suns HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA too funny dude…

        1. kareemthehippy Avatar
          kareemthehippy

          Hahahaa ma 3am 2imza7 with that statement..it’s 55 degrees today!!!

        2. kareemthehippy Avatar
          kareemthehippy

          Hahahaa ma 3am 2imza7 with that statement..it’s 55 degrees today!!!

  2.  Avatar
    Anonymous

     These fat-cat traitors should be hung. Sickening and disgusting.

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      @eblashko:disqus , @Hannibal:disqus  – when the shiite cleric spies for Israel, he’s trying to make peace…but when these dudes make business with Iran, albeit to a leader who is just as brutal as Netanyahu (just with different methods) , they should be hung? Maybe they’re giving peace a chance, albeit with a dictator who I HATE with a passion of 1000 Kuwaiti shining suns… .but you make peace with your enemies and not your friends. 

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        This isn’t spying. They suppying Iran with military helicopters. That’s treason. Hardly peaceful.

        Plus, Iran wants to completely destroy my country. They preach it every day. Israel has nothing against Lebanon and is spying merely for self defense from the ayatollah’s army unit in Lebanon (HA).

        But I am still very much for peace with Iran. We had it until 1979. And unlike the average Lebanese guy, who has good reason to hate us, we’ve never done anything bad to the Persians, so while their government spews hatred, I don’t thin the average Iranian hates us one way or the other. Jews lived there happily until 1979, 30 years after the birth of Israel, with absolutely no problems. All totalitarian governments need a convenient target to direct people’s anger towards. The ayatollahs looked to the Nazis for inspiration and have chosen the Jews. Hopefully their government will fall soon like the third Reich did.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Yeah, but that Shiite Cleric in Lebanon spying is causing an act of treason too. Not peaceful either.  To most Israelis I know, Hezbollah isn’t the problem.  Because the Lebanese president spoke to Bashar Al Assad and let Ahmedinajad visit Lebanon to enforce his neutrality (even though im not a huge fan of our current president but he’s better than Emile Lahoud), many Zionist politicians, supporters, and pundits started saying Lebanon’s government is pro-Iran, and the US is saying it may have to stop funding Lebanon’s army ebcause it’s becoming proSyria and Iran . Jumping to all these conclusions all the time.

          The Ayatollah is pretty messed up, although there are Jews in Israel who are surprisingly living okay, but I think it’s because Ahmedinejad is trying to make a statement. I dont like him, but I hate it when journalists interview him and cut parts out and report the edited versions live. I think all interviews, no matter with who should be released 100% authentic.  It’s because Ahmedinejad talked about how he doesn’t hate Jews but isn’t for Zionism because of the atrocities of the Palestinians (which made him see somewhat humanitarian) .. i still dont like him, even after watching the full interview which was on an independent US news radio show called Democracy Now, but still. I think Netanyahu is a war criminal who deserves to end up in the same place as Ahmedinejad.

      2.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Dude, you are 100% wrong about Israelis being against regular Lebanese. Sarkozy speaks to Assad and we have good relations with France. China and Russia are great allies of Iran, and we have relations with them. It has nothing to do with it. You ask 1,000 Israelis if they’d prefer peace with Lebanon to war, and 1,000 would say yes.

        And by the way, I know it’s the favorite thing to say these days “I’m not anti-Jewish, just anti-Zionist” but they’re the same thing. If you believe one people has a right to their homeland and another doesn’t, for whatever reason, then you’re a racist. It’s as simple as that. Zionism in its truest form, before it was hijacked by the religious settlers, means simply the Jews should have a country in their ancestral homeland (and not necessarily in all of it).

        It’s like saying “I’m not anti Kurd, I’m just anti Kurdistan”. So the Turks, Persians, and Arabs are entitled to have their countries but the Kurds aren’t.

        If Ahmedeijad is anti-Zionist only because of our “atrocities”, then he’s a hypocrite for having good relations with countries that are committing far worse atrocities, like his ally Sudan for example, who has killed over 100,000 in Darfur, or more obviously Syria, who’s Baathist regime has killed far more of their own people than Israel ever has. And although they’re not allies, he’s never criticized Jordan, who in Black September killed 20,000 Palestinians, more than Israel ever has.

        But by singling out Israel (who’s “atrocities” were committed in the act of self-defense) while ignoring, and even defending the others, who commit worse atrocities, he is being a RACIST. This has nothing to do with Zionism. It’s anti-Jewish.

        And as bad as Netanyahu is for Israel, he’s nowhere near as terrible for the world as Ahmedinijad or his HA puppet in Lebanon.

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          Anonymous

          I hate how people compare Arabs and Jews. It’s like comparing apples and oranges.  Youre comparing an ethnic group to a religion.  I don’t beleive that countries should be formed based on religion, that being said, I don’t believe in Islamic republics either. I’m not singling out a certain religion or ethnic group.  Kurds and Kurdistan are based on a united ethnic group of multiple religions. Whether it’s mentioned in a holy book or whether it was their’s ages ago, it doesn’t justify getting rid of the current settlers. I’m just for people.  When people are displaced, that’s wrong, for any reason whatsoever.  If a country is fighting a just war, and the civilians of the opposition are being displaced, then I say that country is doing a bad job, if it’s creating a refugee problem. 

          I don’t see why there was the need to create a new state that was dedicated to one religion, when there was true coexistance. 

          Netanyahu is just as terrible, because even though Ahmedinejad killed alot of his own people and was the reason of alot of problems in Lebanon, Netanyahu did the same thing with Palestinians and Lebanese, but was championed in the news because it was “self-defense” . It’s all about perspective.  Maybe you need to be the victim of BOTH Iran and Israel to understand,  to be in that “grey area” just like I am.

          At this point, I don’t want somethign that will benefit one party, but both.  That’s why I don’t agree with Netanyahu on the peace policy he’s trying to stir up. It’s not because he’s Jewish, or because he’s Netanyahu, or because he got into a fight with Justin Bieber, but because it’s not a true offer for peace in my opinion that will justly benefit both parties.  As someone who wants peace, I dont think you believe that my personal opinions and suggestions are in the interest of Israeli people..but I do.  I’m not against the state of Israel, I’m realistic too. I just know the conflict will end with a return to the 1967 borders, and it’s what most people really want. A TRUE 2 state solution..no more checkpoints and settlements illegally taking over 60% of the territory int eh West Bank..the Palestinians barely have land to begin with.  It requires sacrifice from both ends. 

          I didnt mean to go off on that tangent, but I think you understand me a bit more now

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Kareem, for the millionth time, Jews and Arabs are apples and apples. Yes, Judaism is a religion, but Jews are an ethnic group. There’s a reason antisemitism is called antisemitism – because Jews are Semites.

          You seem to not be able to separate the concepts of Jews, who fit all
          the criteria of a distinct ethnic group, and Judaism which is just a
          religion that most Jews practice.

          I’m sure I’ve already told you about how Jews never considered themselves members of the ethnic groups of their host populations and how members of the ethnic groups we lived amongst never considered us part of their groups either. We’ve maintained a separate identity throughout the 2,000 years of diaspora, clinging to our Semitic past, both culturally, linguistically, genetically, and nationally.

          I’ve told you that Jews have been a very insular community, with cases of conversion and intermarriage being very rare. In Christian Europe and the Muslim Middle East, conversion to Judaism was punishable by death.

          I’ve already told you about my family history. My grandparents suddenly being kicked out of Morocco, Poland, and Hungary, where they had lived for hundreds of years, never bothering the host populations, maintaining their own culture, language, and beliefs.

          I’ve also told you plenty of times about the dozens of genetic studies done on Jews which have proven common, Levantine ancestors for Jews from every part of the world. I’ve told you about the Jew-specific genetic diseases like Tay-Sachs and Gaucher’s disease. Or about how 75% of Jews with the last name “Cohen” are descended from one man. I see it’s failed to make you understand.

          Jew comes from the Latin word Judea (Hebrew Yehuda) which was the political and geographical term for what is today Israel before the Romans changed the name to Palaestina to add insult to the Jews after kicking us out. So Jew was originally “Judean”, which is a political and geographic demonym.

          Zionism, as I’m sure I’ve said before, is a secular movement. Our first four prime ministers were atheists. Our national anthem doesn’t mention the word god, or the religion at all. Our laws are based on British common Law rather than that of any scripture. The laws of Judaism have nothing to do with the laws of the state. (Religious Jews and Muslim Arabs are exempt from Army, which is religious favoritism and is total bullshit, but the laws of the state aren’t religious).

          Religiously, Judaism is very heterogenous on its own. There are three kinds of Judaism; Rabbinic, Karaite, and Samaritan. All three are as different from each other as Druze, Alawite, Sunni, and Shiite. Members of the Jewish ethnic group practice many different forms of this religion.

          There are examples of adherents to Judaism who are ethnically not Jews and who have maintained their previous ethnic, linguistic, and cultural heritage. They most well known case are the Crimean Karaites. Because of their Turkic rather than Semitic origins, they were the only adherents of Judaism under Nazi rule that weren’t sent to the slaughter.

          Additionally, there are many Jews who aren’t adherents of Judaism. There are two settlements in Israel, one in the Galilee and one in the Negev, where the inhabitants are Jews who follow the spiritual teachings of Hindus. There are many “Jews for Jesus” living all over the country, who are Jews who have accepted the Christian faith, but still retain their Jewish heritage culture, and Hebrew language.

          A special case is the In Spain and Portugal, many Jews were forced to convert to Catholicism or die. Most assimilated totally, but some communities, like the Belmonte Jews, became Catholics, but strictly married within their community, refrained from pork, and lit candles on the Jewish, rather than Christian Sabbath day, and 500 years later, the group rejoined mainstream Judaism, and genetic tests have shown that they maintained their genetic heritage the entire time.

          So in all those ways Jews and Israel are just like Kurds in Kurdistan. Just because the majority of Kurds are Muslim doesn’t mean that Kurdistan would be a religious state, the same way that Israel isn’t a religious state… it’s a nation state, which is why Netanyahu says all the time that if the Arab world wants us to recognize Palestine as the nation state for the Palestinian people, then they have to recognize Israel as the nation state of the Jewish people.

          As far as Netanyahu, I hate him, don’t get me wrong, but it’s for the reasons you said about peace (you’re 100% right aobut that), not for the reasons about killing. Many Palestinians and Lebanese want to kill us. Maybe I don’t understand your position you’re right, but you don’t seem to understand ours. These people aren’t just hostile. They want to kill me. They threaten it all the time. And while I concede the 2006 War was excessive, unnecessary, and even harmful for Israel (I won’t concede that the Gaza War was, though) that wasn’t Netanyahu. Neither time. Since he’s been PM, it’s actually been quite quiet. That’s the only nice thing I’ll say about him though.

      3. Hate is a strong word but hate with 1000 Kuwaiti shining suns HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA too funny dude…

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Hahahaa ma 3am 2imza7 with that statement..it’s 55 degrees today!!!

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Hahahaa ma 3am 2imza7 with that statement..it’s 55 degrees today!!!

        3.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Hahahaa ma 3am 2imza7 with that statement..it’s 55 degrees today!!!

      4. Hate is a strong word but hate with 1000 Kuwaiti shining suns HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA too funny dude…

  3. Patience2 Avatar
    Patience2

    So what’s this now … Jews enabling those who have sworn to bomb them back to the stone age??  Well, maybe with what the Jews are selling to them(the Iranians), they(the Iranians) will make a horrible technical error and blow themselves back to the stone age! Ahh, well, anything for a shekel.

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    Anonymous

    So what’s this now … Jews enabling those who have sworn to bomb them back to the stone age??  Well, maybe with what the Jews are selling to them(the Iranians), they(the Iranians) will make a horrible technical error and blow themselves back to the stone age! Ahh, well, anything for a shekel.

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