Egypt will open its border crossing with Gaza permanently

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Egypt will open its border crossing with the Gaza Strip permanently this weekend, the government announced Wednesday, suggesting the country’s military rulers are being swayed by growing anti-Israeli sentiment here.

Opening the Rafah crossing, the only official entry point outside Israel into the Palestinian territory, would ease the blockade imposed after the militant group Hamas took control of the strip in 2007.

A report by Egypt’s state-run Middle East News Agency said the move was being adopted to “end the status of the Palestinian division and achieve national reconciliation.”

The report said the border would reopen Saturday but provided no other details.

Israel warned that reopening the crossing could allow Hamas to build up its arsenal and create a dangerous situation. A government spokesman urged Egypt to continue blocking arms shipments to Hamas.

Bowing to Israeli concerns, the Egyptian government has kept the crossing closed or partially closed for much of the past five years. Egypt has opened the crossing periodically for a few days at a time in the past year or so, mostly for medical cases and students.

Egypt’s interim military leaders have been under pressure to open the border to ease the movement of people, food and humanitarian aid to the strip.

Israel opposes an open border, fearing that Hamas fighters could use it to smuggle in rockets and other weapons for attacks against Israel. Up to now, Hamas has used smuggling tunnels, rather than the border crossing, to bring weapons into Gaza.

Egypt is one of the few Arab states that maintain formal diplomatic ties with Israel, a relationship Mubarak wrestled with during his three decades in power.

The two countries fought a brutal war in 1973 that many Egyptians still remember bitterly.

In recent weeks, Egyptian protesters have demonstrated outside the Israeli Embassy in Cairo to protest attacks on the Gaza Strip and Israeli policies.

Hundreds of demonstrators were wounded earlier this month when Egyptian riot police fired tear gas and bullets to disperse demonstrators during a rally to decry the 1948 founding of Israel, a date Palestinians refer to as “nakba,” or catastrophe.

More than 185 demonstrators were detained for alleged vandalism and attacks on police, Egyptian authorities said.

In Israel, a government official who spoke on condition of anonymity said: “Israel has no problem with civilian goods getting into the Gaza Strip. Our focus is on preventing Hamas from building up its very deadly terrorist military machine. In the past they have succeeded in building a formidable capability despite Egyptian efforts to prevent that from happening.”

The official warned that if Egypt ceased those efforts, “the situation would be so much more dangerous.” Israel hopes that “Egypt will continue to be steadfast in trying to prevent arms shipments to Hamas,” the official said, adding: “We’ve got direct dialogue with the Egyptians on these issues, and we hope that we’ve got a common interest in preventing deadly weapons reaching extremists.”

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75 responses to “Egypt will open its border crossing with Gaza permanently”

  1. Mosetsfire Avatar
    Mosetsfire

    All I can say here is…about time. This act of treason by Egypt against the Palestinians was egregious. Hopefully we can see more cooperation by all Arab states to isolate Israel economically and politically. We cannot match them militarily but these other channels are most certainly obtainable. 

    Maybe one day Israel can become South Africa 2.0, until they leave the terrorities illegaly occupied, give equal rights under the law to Israeli Arabs and create definitive borders.

    1. eblashko Avatar
      eblashko

      This will hasten the need for Israel to reoccupy Gaza. Only an idiot would allow Hamas to re-arm so they could later continue trying to erase us.

      A better, pragmatic solution would be for Hamas to recognize Israel and return Gilad Shalit to his parents so that all blockades can be lifted, and normal life could return to Gaza, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. Hamas and pragmatism have never really gone well together.

      1. Crossed Avatar
        Crossed

        I would disagree. Gaza is under an unjust (by U.N standards as noted by Ban) blockade, therefore they have the right to arm themselves and resist. Just like the French citizens did in world war two when they were under occupation.
         
        Hamas has also said it would observe a permanent truce with Israel should negotiations take off again, and a solution be reached. This leads to facts on the ground. It doesn’t have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state to have peace. A strong government in Gaza can be good for Israel. It would ensure better security, and under a permanent truce, peace. They also want to return Shalit in exchange for prisoners of its own.

        1. eblashko Avatar
          eblashko

          The difference with the French case in WWII is that France, weren’t trying to erase all of Germany, like the Gazans are trying to erase all of Israel.

          Hamas has never said it would observe permanent truce. It has said it will observe a Hudna, some sort of Islamic temporary truce that is only held for a number of years. It doesn’t have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, but it has to recognize Israel as a country. any solution that does not totally end the conflict is not a solution.

          They want over 1000 prisoners for Shalit. Not only that, but Shalit has not seen the light of day or even been allowed a visit from the Red Cross since his capture in 2006. Hamas prisoners in Israel are all treated by legal standards, allowed family visits, etc.

          Israel thought the way you think about a strong Gaza. It pulled out all its army and settlers in 2005. The blockade didn’t start until 2007, when Hamas had their coup in Gaza and after the rocket fire became unbearable. Israel doesn’t want to blockade Gaza. We were very willing to leave. You think our mothers like sending us to patrol the border and go in harm’s way. We’re there because if we’re not, Hamas, as they say all the time, will try to erase Israel.

          Simple quote sums it up. If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more war. If the Jews put down heir weapons today, there would be no more Israel.

        2. Mosetsfire Avatar
          Mosetsfire

          @ ebshalo.

          get over it homie, The Arabs have long given up on wiping Israel off the of the map…All these statements you babble from Hamas are weightless…Do you really think Israel will be destroyed with home made rockets? give me a break. If the Arabs really wanted Israel off the map why would the Arab League endorse the Arab Peace initiative? 

          The “death of Israel” is Palestinian propaganda because YOU, the Israelis have stripped an entire indigenous people of their rights and their dignity.

          You’re from Israel? How many generations ago? I can sit here and claim that I am from Mesopotamia because thats where humans evolved from. also, a religion may have a place of birth (Islam. Mecca, Christianity, Jerusalem) but that doesn’t make those cities the homeland of their followers.

          You can be an American Jew, or a Russian Jew, or a Chinese Jew, but that will never make you indigenous to the land you steal and it will never justify the war crimes your country commits on a regular basis.

          The jews have not faced an existential threat in over 60 years. The world is modern and your peoples’ medieval beliefs are going to be your demise. 

          Peace is solely in the hands of Israel…Withdraw from occupied territories and accept the Arab Peace Initiative. 

      2. Crossed Avatar
        Crossed

        I would disagree. Gaza is under an unjust (by U.N standards as noted by Ban) blockade, therefore they have the right to arm themselves and resist. Just like the French citizens did in world war two when they were under occupation.
         
        Hamas has also said it would observe a permanent truce with Israel should negotiations take off again, and a solution be reached. This leads to facts on the ground. It doesn’t have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state to have peace. A strong government in Gaza can be good for Israel. It would ensure better security, and under a permanent truce, peace. They also want to return Shalit in exchange for prisoners of its own.

        1. eblashko Avatar
          eblashko

          The difference with the French case in WWII is that France, weren’t trying to erase all of Germany, like the Gazans are trying to erase all of Israel.

          Hamas has never said it would observe permanent truce. It has said it will observe a Hudna, some sort of Islamic temporary truce that is only held for a number of years. It doesn’t have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, but it has to recognize Israel as a country. any solution that does not totally end the conflict is not a solution.

          They want over 1000 prisoners for Shalit. Not only that, but Shalit has not seen the light of day or even been allowed a visit from the Red Cross since his capture in 2006. Hamas prisoners in Israel are all treated by legal standards, allowed family visits, etc.

          Israel thought the way you think about a strong Gaza. It pulled out all its army and settlers in 2005. The blockade didn’t start until 2007, when Hamas had their coup in Gaza and after the rocket fire became unbearable. Israel doesn’t want to blockade Gaza. We were very willing to leave. You think our mothers like sending us to patrol the border and go in harm’s way. We’re there because if we’re not, Hamas, as they say all the time, will try to erase Israel.

          Simple quote sums it up. If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more war. If the Jews put down heir weapons today, there would be no more Israel.

      3. antar2011 Avatar
        antar2011

        there is no such thing as normal life to the palestinians when their land that was stolen is not returned back.

        and yes, there are other means of fighting for their cause… using of arms and suicide bombings which have been tried and tested and does not work.

    2. eblashko Avatar
      eblashko

      Glad you consider me your homie. Hope you weren’t being sarcastic. In response to your quote:

      “You’re from Israel? How many generations ago? I can sit here and claim that I am from Mesopotamia because thats where humans evolved from….You can be an American Jew, or a Russian Jew, or a Chinese Jew, but that will never make you indigenous to the land you steal and it will never justify the war crimes your country commits on a regular basis.”

      That’s the problem right there. Jews are in no way foreigners in Israel, and your opinion that they are is the crux of the problem in a nutshell.

      I can give you plenty of reasons why Jews should be recognized as “indigenous” to “Palestine”. I also concede that that recognition should not come at the expense of the Palestinians also being considered indigenous, (which I agree with you that they are too) but to say Jews don’t belong in Israel is tantamount to saying that Native Americans Indians aren’t indigenous to America or that Black Americans aren’t indigenous to Africa.

      Let me preface the following by saying that by “Jews” I’m NOT referring to adherents of a religion, but to members of an ethnic group. You’re right that adherents of a religion should have no right to land.

      Firstly, as a matter of identity, the gentile peoples whom the Jews lived amongst, from Morocco to Iran, from Russia
      to Yemen, have constantly and consistently denied that the Jews were part of their own people. This is certainly true in the obvious places like Germany, Russia, and Poland, where pogroms and persecution continued even after the holocaust, but just as much so in the Arab countries where Jews had lived amongst the “indigenous” populations for hundreds and even thousands of years, and were suddenly forced to flee with the creation of Israel.

      My family, for example, which had lived in Morocco since the expulsion of Jews from Portugal in 1497, was forced to flee in 1956, when Morocco got their independence from France. My great-grandfather, simply because he a Jew, lost all his property and his pension after working for the Moroccan government for 40 years. And my family are not the only ones. 250,000 left Morocco. 150,000 left Iraq. 100,000 left Algeria, 100,000 left Tunisia, 50,000 left Libya, 75,000 left Egypt, 25,000 left Syria, and 150,000 left Yemen. Almost 1 million Jews turned Zionists overnight by their Arab “hosts” who no longer wanted them. (talk about a refugee problem. Also in this regard I have great respect for Lebanon, as it was the only Arab country that did not kick out “its Jews” following Israel’s creation).

      Not only that, but as a matter of self-identity, the Jews have always considered themselves foreigners among those who they lived and have instead considered themselves natives of Israel. This is evident is our prayers and folk tales, and the hope of a return to Zion has been one of the core beliefs that has kept our people together during so many years of endless hell in he diaspora.

      In your example you talked about your ancestors from Mesopotamia. Well if you were forced out of Mesompotamia 2,000 years ago but have kept your Mesopotamian tradtitions strong throughout the entire exile, continued to speak Sumerian, and longed to return to what you considered your home for 2,000 years, then yes, why shouldn’t you have a right to return there? Simply because it’s been a long time? Then why should the Palestinian refugees have a right to return? Is 63 years not long enough. If we continue “occupying” for another 2000 years, then will the Palestinians lose their right to come back?

      Genetically, the link between Jews from around the world has been studied ad nauseum, proving time and time again not just that Jews from the Middle East, Europe, North Africa are more closely related to each other than their host populations, but that our closest relatives are other Levantine and Middle Eastern populations. Any study on the subject will prove this.

      Linguistically, we’ve kept our own languages, separate from those we lived amongst, and have all kept Hebrew as a liturgical language. And as an aside, almost all the place names in “Palestine” are Arabic versions of Hebrew and Aramaic originals which have no meaning in Arabic, further proof that “Palestine” was once a Hebrew speaking land of the Hebrew people.

      Now that Jewish peoplehod and roots to Israel have been proven, in order to further prove a right to that land, it must be said that Jews didn’t leave “Palestine” or Judea as it was called in those days, on their own free will, but they were forced out, with reentry punishable by pain of death. (Judea was actually renamed Palaestina by the Romans to add insult of injury). After the Romans, the Byzantines and Crusaders continued this policy of expulsion and murder until the only choice for Jews was death or living somewhere else. But they in no way forfeited their right to the land which they have always cherished so much.

      Again, I must stress that none of this in any way means that the Palestinians aren’t indigenous to the area also, and that they shouldn’t have there own state. I believe with all my heart that they should. But to say that it should come at the expense of a Jewish state, or that the Jews don’t belong here or don’t have a right to be here, is not only untrue, but also the reason for this continued hostility. This is OUR home just as much as it it theirs. The sooner both people realize this, the sooner we can put this behind us and get on with our lives.

      And in response to your other points, no, I don’t think Hamas can destroy Israel with home-made rockets, but it’s the blockade that’s keeping them homemade. Hamas was elected in a fair election by a margin of 30,000 votes in the 2006. They legally and accurately represent the will of the Palestinian people. The Arab peace initiative was never accepted by Hamas, who refuses to ever give up the “resistance”. That means it was never accepted by the majority of Palestinians, who refuse to ever give up the “resistance”. I hope they prove me wrong in their next election, whenever that may be. But until then, through their choosing of Hamas, Palestinians have given us no reason believe they will ever accept us here.

  2. Mosetsfire Avatar
    Mosetsfire

    All I can say here is…about time. This act of treason by Egypt against the Palestinians was egregious. Hopefully we can see more cooperation by all Arab states to isolate Israel economically and politically. We cannot match them militarily but these other channels are most certainly obtainable. 

    Maybe one day Israel can become South Africa 2.0, until they leave the terrorities illegaly occupied, give equal rights under the law to Israeli Arabs and create definitive borders.

    1. eblashko Avatar
      eblashko

      Glad you consider me your homie. Hope you weren’t being sarcastic. In response to your quote:

      “You’re from Israel? How many generations ago? I can sit here and claim that I am from Mesopotamia because thats where humans evolved from….You can be an American Jew, or a Russian Jew, or a Chinese Jew, but that will never make you indigenous to the land you steal and it will never justify the war crimes your country commits on a regular basis.”

      That’s the problem right there. Jews are in no way foreigners in Israel, and your opinion that they are is the crux of the problem in a nutshell.

      I can give you plenty of reasons why Jews should be recognized as “indigenous” to “Palestine”. I also concede that that recognition should not come at the expense of the Palestinians also being considered indigenous, (which I agree with you that they are too) but to say Jews don’t belong in Israel is tantamount to saying that Native Americans Indians aren’t indigenous to America or that Black Americans aren’t indigenous to Africa.

      Let me preface the following by saying that by “Jews” I’m NOT referring to adherents of a religion, but to members of an ethnic group. You’re right that adherents of a religion should have no right to land.

      Firstly, as a matter of identity, the gentile peoples whom the Jews lived amongst, from Morocco to Iran, from Russia
      to Yemen, have constantly and consistently denied that the Jews were part of their own people. This is certainly true in the obvious places like Germany, Russia, and Poland, where pogroms and persecution continued even after the holocaust, but just as much so in the Arab countries where Jews had lived amongst the “indigenous” populations for hundreds and even thousands of years, and were suddenly forced to flee with the creation of Israel.

      My family, for example, which had lived in Morocco since the expulsion of Jews from Portugal in 1497, was forced to flee in 1956, when Morocco got their independence from France. My great-grandfather, simply because he a Jew, lost all his property and his pension after working for the Moroccan government for 40 years. And my family are not the only ones. 250,000 left Morocco. 150,000 left Iraq. 100,000 left Algeria, 100,000 left Tunisia, 50,000 left Libya, 75,000 left Egypt, 25,000 left Syria, and 150,000 left Yemen. Almost 1 million Jews turned Zionists overnight by their Arab “hosts” who no longer wanted them. (talk about a refugee problem. Also in this regard I have great respect for Lebanon, as it was the only Arab country that did not kick out “its Jews” following Israel’s creation).

      Not only that, but as a matter of self-identity, the Jews have always considered themselves foreigners among those who they lived and have instead considered themselves natives of Israel. This is evident is our prayers and folk tales, and the hope of a return to Zion has been one of the core beliefs that has kept our people together during so many years of endless hell in he diaspora.

      In your example you talked about your ancestors from Mesopotamia. Well if you were forced out of Mesompotamia 2,000 years ago but have kept your Mesopotamian tradtitions strong throughout the entire exile, continued to speak Sumerian, and longed to return to what you considered your home for 2,000 years, then yes, why shouldn’t you have a right to return there? Simply because it’s been a long time? Then why should the Palestinian refugees have a right to return? Is 63 years not long enough. If we continue “occupying” for another 2000 years, then will the Palestinians lose their right to come back?

      Genetically, the link between Jews from around the world has been studied ad nauseum, proving time and time again not just that Jews from the Middle East, Europe, North Africa are more closely related to each other than their host populations, but that our closest relatives are other Levantine and Middle Eastern populations. Any study on the subject will prove this.

      Linguistically, we’ve kept our own languages, separate from those we lived amongst, and have all kept Hebrew as a liturgical language. And as an aside, almost all the place names in “Palestine” are Arabic versions of Hebrew and Aramaic originals which have no meaning in Arabic, further proof that “Palestine” was once a Hebrew speaking land of the Hebrew people.

      Now that Jewish peoplehod and roots to Israel have been proven, in order to further prove a right to that land, it must be said that Jews didn’t leave “Palestine” or Judea as it was called in those days, on their own free will, but they were forced out, with reentry punishable by pain of death. (Judea was actually renamed Palaestina by the Romans to add insult of injury). After the Romans, the Byzantines and Crusaders continued this policy of expulsion and murder until the only choice for Jews was death or living somewhere else. But they in no way forfeited their right to the land which they have always cherished so much.

      Again, I must stress that none of this in any way means that the Palestinians aren’t indigenous to the area also, and that they shouldn’t have there own state. I believe with all my heart that they should. But to say that it should come at the expense of a Jewish state, or that the Jews don’t belong here or don’t have a right to be here, is not only untrue, but also the reason for this continued hostility. This is OUR home just as much as it it theirs. The sooner both people realize this, the sooner we can put this behind us and get on with our lives.

      And in response to your other points, no, I don’t think Hamas can destroy Israel with home-made rockets, but it’s the blockade that’s keeping them homemade. Hamas was elected in a fair election by a margin of 30,000 votes in the 2006. They legally and accurately represent the will of the Palestinian people. The Arab peace initiative was never accepted by Hamas, who refuses to ever give up the “resistance”. That means it was never accepted by the majority of Palestinians, who refuse to ever give up the “resistance”. I hope they prove me wrong in their next election, whenever that may be. But until then, through their choosing of Hamas, Palestinians have given us no reason believe they will ever accept us here.

  3. All I can say here is…about time. This act of treason by Egypt against the Palestinians was egregious. Hopefully we can see more cooperation by all Arab states to isolate Israel economically and politically. We cannot match them militarily but these other channels are most certainly obtainable. 

    Maybe one day Israel can become South Africa 2.0, until they leave the terrorities illegaly occupied, give equal rights under the law to Israeli Arabs and create definitive borders.

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      This will hasten the need for Israel to reoccupy Gaza. Only an idiot would allow Hamas to re-arm so they could later continue trying to erase us.

      A better, pragmatic solution would be for Hamas to recognize Israel and return Gilad Shalit to his parents so that all blockades can be lifted, and normal life could return to Gaza, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. Hamas and pragmatism have never really gone well together.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        I would disagree. Gaza is under an unjust (by U.N standards as noted by Ban) blockade, therefore they have the right to arm themselves and resist. Just like the French citizens did in world war two when they were under occupation.
         
        Hamas has also said it would observe a permanent truce with Israel should negotiations take off again, and a solution be reached. This leads to facts on the ground. It doesn’t have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state to have peace. A strong government in Gaza can be good for Israel. It would ensure better security, and under a permanent truce, peace. They also want to return Shalit in exchange for prisoners of its own.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          The difference with the French case in WWII is that France, weren’t trying to erase all of Germany, like the Gazans are trying to erase all of Israel.

          Hamas has never said it would observe permanent truce. It has said it will observe a Hudna, some sort of Islamic temporary truce that is only held for a number of years. It doesn’t have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, but it has to recognize Israel as a country. any solution that does not totally end the conflict is not a solution.

          They want over 1000 prisoners for Shalit. Not only that, but Shalit has not seen the light of day or even been allowed a visit from the Red Cross since his capture in 2006. Hamas prisoners in Israel are all treated by legal standards, allowed family visits, etc.

          Israel thought the way you think about a strong Gaza. It pulled out all its army and settlers in 2005. The blockade didn’t start until 2007, when Hamas had their coup in Gaza and after the rocket fire became unbearable. Israel doesn’t want to blockade Gaza. We were very willing to leave. You think our mothers like sending us to patrol the border and go in harm’s way. We’re there because if we’re not, Hamas, as they say all the time, will try to erase Israel.

          Simple quote sums it up. If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more war. If the Jews put down heir weapons today, there would be no more Israel.

        2. @ ebshalo.

          get over it homie, The Arabs have long given up on wiping Israel off the of the map…All these statements you babble from Hamas are weightless…Do you really think Israel will be destroyed with home made rockets? give me a break. If the Arabs really wanted Israel off the map why would the Arab League endorse the Arab Peace initiative? 

          The “death of Israel” is Palestinian propaganda because YOU, the Israelis have stripped an entire indigenous people of their rights and their dignity.

          You’re from Israel? How many generations ago? I can sit here and claim that I am from Mesopotamia because thats where humans evolved from. also, a religion may have a place of birth (Islam. Mecca, Christianity, Jerusalem) but that doesn’t make those cities the homeland of their followers.

          You can be an American Jew, or a Russian Jew, or a Chinese Jew, but that will never make you indigenous to the land you steal and it will never justify the war crimes your country commits on a regular basis.

          The jews have not faced an existential threat in over 60 years. The world is modern and your peoples’ medieval beliefs are going to be your demise. 

          Peace is solely in the hands of Israel…Withdraw from occupied territories and accept the Arab Peace Initiative. 

      2.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        I would disagree. Gaza is under an unjust (by U.N standards as noted by Ban) blockade, therefore they have the right to arm themselves and resist. Just like the French citizens did in world war two when they were under occupation.
         
        Hamas has also said it would observe a permanent truce with Israel should negotiations take off again, and a solution be reached. This leads to facts on the ground. It doesn’t have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state to have peace. A strong government in Gaza can be good for Israel. It would ensure better security, and under a permanent truce, peace. They also want to return Shalit in exchange for prisoners of its own.

      3.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        I would disagree. Gaza is under an unjust (by U.N standards as noted by Ban) blockade, therefore they have the right to arm themselves and resist. Just like the French citizens did in world war two when they were under occupation.
         
        Hamas has also said it would observe a permanent truce with Israel should negotiations take off again, and a solution be reached. This leads to facts on the ground. It doesn’t have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state to have peace. A strong government in Gaza can be good for Israel. It would ensure better security, and under a permanent truce, peace. They also want to return Shalit in exchange for prisoners of its own.

      4.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        I would disagree. Gaza is under an unjust (by U.N standards as noted by Ban) blockade, therefore they have the right to arm themselves and resist. Just like the French citizens did in world war two when they were under occupation.
         
        Hamas has also said it would observe a permanent truce with Israel should negotiations take off again, and a solution be reached. This leads to facts on the ground. It doesn’t have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state to have peace. A strong government in Gaza can be good for Israel. It would ensure better security, and under a permanent truce, peace. They also want to return Shalit in exchange for prisoners of its own.

      5.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        there is no such thing as normal life to the palestinians when their land that was stolen is not returned back.

        and yes, there are other means of fighting for their cause… using of arms and suicide bombings which have been tried and tested and does not work.

    2.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      This will hasten the need for Israel to reoccupy Gaza. Only an idiot would allow Hamas to re-arm so they could later continue trying to erase us.

      A better, pragmatic solution would be for Hamas to recognize Israel and return Gilad Shalit to his parents so that all blockades can be lifted, and normal life could return to Gaza, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. Hamas and pragmatism have never really gone well together.

    3.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Glad you consider me your homie. In response to your quote:

      “You’re from Israel? How many generations ago? I can sit here and claim
      that I am from Mesopotamia because thats where humans evolved from….You can be an American Jew, or a Russian Jew, or a
      Chinese Jew, but that will never make you indigenous to the land you
      steal and it will never justify the war crimes your country commits on a
      regular basis.”

      That’s the crux of the problem right there. Jews are in no way foreigners in Israel, and your opinion that they are is the crux of the problem in a nutshell.

      I
      can give you plenty of reasons why Jews should be recognized as
      “indigenous” to “Palestine”. I also concede that that recognition should
      not come at the expense of the Palestinians also being considered
      indigenous, (which I agree with you that they are too) but to say Jews
      don’t belong in Israel is tantamount to saying that Native Americans
      Indians aren’t indigenous to America or that Black Americans aren’t
      indigenous to Africa.

      Let me preface the following by saying that
      by “Jews” I’m referring not to adherents of a religion, but to members
      of an ethnic group.

      Firstly, as a matter of identity, the gentile
      peoples whom the Jews lived amongst, from Morocco to Iran, from Russia
      to Yemen, have constantly and consistently denied that the Jews were
      part of their own people. This is certainly true in the obvious places
      like Germany, Russia, and Poland, where pogroms continued even after the
      holocaust, but just as much so in the Arab countries where Jews had
      lived amongst the “indigenous” populations for hundreds and even
      thousands of years, and were suddenly forced to flee with the creation
      of Israel.

      My family, for example, which had lived in Morocco
      since the expulsion of Jews from Portugal in 1497, was forced to flee
      in 1956, when Morocco got their independence from France. My
      great-grandfather, simply because he was Jewish, lost all his property
      and his pension after working for the Moroccan government for 40 years.
      And my family are not the only ones. 250,000 left Morocco. 150,000 left
      Iraq. 100,000 left Algeria, 100,000 left Tunisia, 50,000 left Libya,
      75,000 left Egypt, 25,000 left Syria, and 150,000 left Yemen. Almost 1
      million Jews turned Zionists overnight by their Arab “hosts” who no
      longer wanted them. (talk about a refugee problem. Also in this regard I have great respect for Lebanon, as it was the only Arab country that did not kick out “its Jews” following Israel’s creation).

      Not only
      that, but as a matter of self-identity, the Jews have always considered
      themselves foreigners among those who they lived and have instead
      considered themselves natives of Israel. This is evident is our prayers
      and folk tales, and the hope of a return to Zion has been one of the
      core beliefs that has kept our people together during so many years of
      endless hell in he diaspora.

      In your example you talked about your ancestors from Mesopotamia. Well if you were forced out of Mesompotamia 2,000 years ago but have kept your Mesopotamian tradtitions strong throughout the entire exile and longed to return for 2,000 years, then yes, why shouldn’t you have a right to return? And if not, when why should the Palestinian refugees? Is 63 years not long enough. If we continue “occupying” for another 2000 years, then will the Palestinians lose their right to come back?

      Genetically, the link between Jews
      from around the world has been studied ad nauseum, proving time and time
      again not just that Jews from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East
      are more closely related to each other than their host populations, but
      that our closest relatives are other Levantine and Middle Eastern
      populations. Any study on the subject will prove this.

      Linguistically,
      we’ve kept our own languages, separate from those we lived amongst, and
      have all kept Hebrew as a liturgical language. And as an aside, almost
      all the place names in “Palestine” are Arabic versions of Hebrew and
      Aramaic originals which have no meaning in Arabic, further proof that
      “Palestine” was once a Hebrew speaking land of the Hebrew people.

      Now
      that Jewish peoplehod and roots to Israel have been proven, in order to
      further prove a right to that land, it must be said that Jews didn’t
      leave “Palestine” or Judea as it was called in those days, on their own
      free will, but they were forced out, with reentry punishable by pain of
      death. (Judea was actually renamed Palaestina by the Romans to add
      insult of injury). After the Romans, the Byzantines and Crusaders
      continued this policy of expulsion and murder until the only choice for
      Jews was death or living somewhere else. But they in no way forfeited
      their right to the land.

      Again, I must stress that none of this
      in any way means that the Palestinians aren’t indigenous to the area
      also, and that they shouldn’t have there own state. I believe with all
      my heart that they should. But to say that it should come at the expense
      of a Jewish state, or that the Jews don’t belong here or don’t have a
      right to be here, is not only untrue, but also the reason for this
      continued hostility. This is OUR home just as much as it it theirs. The
      sooner both people realize this, the sooner we can put this behind us
      and get on with our lives.

  4. Beiruti Avatar
    Beiruti

    I’m glad the borders opened, 1.6 Million people living in a prison. 80% of people who reside in Gaza depend on humanitarian aid. No point to fight Israel anymore just ignore them and forget about them, make something great out of Gaza make it the strip that everyone wants to visit. A tragedy for the West Bank already 600,000 Israelis are living in the West Bank on settlements. Where the so called “Justice” in this world. What goes around comes around, Israel was built on blood therefore it will fall with blood. The time will come we won’t live to see it probably, but God has proven that nothing inhumane and unjust lasts forever. Nazism fell down, was did the Nazis used to say? The 3rd Reich for 1000 years. Ever since i was a little kid i would have never thought in one billion years the Soviet Union would collapse, and it eventually did. Whenever Israel feels threatened it will pull out the “Nuclear Card” they claim to be “Gods Chosen People”, but i could tell you one thing “Gods Chosen People” definitely aren’t the ones that steal, murder, has more UN violations then any other country and kill civilians. The settlements disgust me, its not only enough they have most of the Palestinians land. But they need more?

    1. eblashko Avatar
      eblashko

      God has no chosen people. And Jews aren’t in Israel because the land was promised to us by God. We’re here because this is where we’re from, and after experiencing the hell of diaspora, now that we’re back, we won’t be leaving again.

      Settlements disgust me too. But there were once settlements in Gaza and Sinai. Settlements aren’t an obstacle to peace, they’re a Palestinian excuse not to make it.

      In the case of Gaza, there was no blockade around Gaza from when Israel withdrew in 2005 until 2007, when the rockets and kidnappings became unbearable. It’s not a cause for “resistance”. It’s a response to it.

      A much better way for the lives of Gazas to get better is for Hamas to recognize Israel and to end violence. But they’re perfectly happy to make all of Gaza martyrs as long as Israel suffers a little.

    2. eblashko Avatar
      eblashko

      God has no chosen people. And Jews aren’t in Israel because the land was promised to us by God. We’re here because this is where we’re from, and after experiencing the hell of diaspora, now that we’re back, we won’t be leaving again.

      Settlements disgust me too. But there were once settlements in Gaza and Sinai. Settlements aren’t an obstacle to peace, they’re a Palestinian excuse not to make it.

      In the case of Gaza, there was no blockade around Gaza from when Israel withdrew in 2005 until 2007, when the rockets and kidnappings became unbearable. It’s not a cause for “resistance”. It’s a response to it.

      A much better way for the lives of Gazas to get better is for Hamas to recognize Israel and to end violence. But they’re perfectly happy to make all of Gaza martyrs as long as Israel suffers a little.

  5.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    I’m glad the borders opened, 1.6 Million people living in a prison. 80% of people who reside in Gaza depend on humanitarian aid. No point to fight Israel anymore just ignore them and forget about them, make something great out of Gaza make it the strip that everyone wants to visit. A tragedy for the West Bank already 600,000 Israelis are living in the West Bank on settlements. Where the so called “Justice” in this world. What goes around comes around, Israel was built on blood therefore it will fall with blood. The time will come we won’t live to see it probably, but God has proven that nothing inhumane and unjust lasts forever. Nazism fell down, was did the Nazis used to say? The 3rd Reich for 1000 years. Ever since i was a little kid i would have never thought in one billion years the Soviet Union would collapse, and it eventually did. Whenever Israel feels threatened it will pull out the “Nuclear Card” they claim to be “Gods Chosen People”, but i could tell you one thing “Gods Chosen People” definitely aren’t the ones that steal, murder, has more UN violations then any other country and kill civilians. The settlements disgust me, its not only enough they have most of the Palestinians land. But they need more?

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      God has no chosen people. And Jews aren’t in Israel because the land was promised to us by God. We’re here because this is where we’re from, and after experiencing the hell of diaspora, now that we’re back, we won’t be leaving again.

      Settlements disgust me too. But there were once settlements in Gaza and Sinai. Settlements aren’t an obstacle to peace, they’re a Palestinian excuse not to make it.

      In the case of Gaza, there was no blockade around Gaza from when Israel withdrew in 2005 until 2007, when the rockets and kidnappings became unbearable. It’s not a cause for “resistance”. It’s a response to it.

      A much better way for the lives of Gazas to get better is for Hamas to recognize Israel and to end violence. But they’re perfectly happy to make all of Gaza martyrs as long as Israel suffers a little.

  6.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    I’m glad the borders opened, 1.6 Million people living in a prison. 80% of people who reside in Gaza depend on humanitarian aid. No point to fight Israel anymore just ignore them and forget about them, make something great out of Gaza make it the strip that everyone wants to visit. A tragedy for the West Bank already 600,000 Israelis are living in the West Bank on settlements. Where the so called “Justice” in this world. What goes around comes around, Israel was built on blood therefore it will fall with blood. The time will come we won’t live to see it probably, but God has proven that nothing inhumane and unjust lasts forever. Nazism fell down, was did the Nazis used to say? The 3rd Reich for 1000 years. Ever since i was a little kid i would have never thought in one billion years the Soviet Union would collapse, and it eventually did. Whenever Israel feels threatened it will pull out the “Nuclear Card” they claim to be “Gods Chosen People”, but i could tell you one thing “Gods Chosen People” definitely aren’t the ones that steal, murder, has more UN violations then any other country and kill civilians. The settlements disgust me, its not only enough they have most of the Palestinians land. But they need more?

  7. antar2011 Avatar
    antar2011

    كُلُّ مَنْ عَلَيْهَا فانٍ . وَيَبْقَى وَجْهُ رَبِّكَ ذُو الْجَلالِ وَالإكْرَامِ”
    سورة الرحمن

    great post Beiruti!

  8.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    كُلُّ مَنْ عَلَيْهَا فانٍ . وَيَبْقَى وَجْهُ رَبِّكَ ذُو الْجَلالِ وَالإكْرَامِ”
    سورة الرحمن

    great post Beiruti!

  9. Sussy09 Avatar
    Sussy09

    eblashko – ” If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more war. If the Jews put down heir weapons today, there would be no more Israel”.
    Indeed, A simple quote, but yet, very powerful, and sadly, so clear.  Thank you!

    1. kareemthehippy Avatar
      kareemthehippy

      That statement is absolutely simplistic and inaccurate to the nature of the conflict today.

      1. eblashko Avatar
        eblashko

        I fail to see how it’s inaccurate? Could you embellish?

        1. Crossed Avatar
          Crossed

          The Arab Peace Initiative.

        2. eblashko Avatar
          eblashko

          @Crossed:disqus 

          Hamas, who like you said won the election fair and square, so who technically represents the Palestinian people, never singed the Arab Peace Initiative. 

          And besides. Flooding Israel with 4 million grandchildren of refugees is not peace. It will lead to 2 Palestinian states.  

  10. Sussy09 Avatar
    Sussy09

    eblashko – ” If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more war. If the Jews put down heir weapons today, there would be no more Israel”.
    Indeed, A simple quote, but yet, very powerful, and sadly, so clear.  Thank you!

    1. kareemthehippy Avatar
      kareemthehippy

      That statement is absolutely simplistic and inaccurate to the nature of the conflict today.

      1. eblashko Avatar
        eblashko

        I fail to see how it’s inaccurate? Could you embellish?

        1. Crossed Avatar
          Crossed

          The Arab Peace Initiative.

        2. eblashko Avatar
          eblashko

          @Crossed:disqus 

          Hamas, who like you said won the election fair and square, so who technically represents the Palestinian people, never singed the Arab Peace Initiative. 

          And besides. Flooding Israel with 4 million grandchildren of refugees is not peace. It will lead to 2 Palestinian states.  

  11.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    eblashko – ” If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more war. If the Jews put down heir weapons today, there would be no more Israel”.
    Indeed, A simple quote, but yet, very powerful, and sadly, so clear.  Thank you!

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      That statement is absolutely simplistic and inaccurate to the nature of the conflict today.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        I fail to see how it’s inaccurate? Could you embellish?

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          The Arab Peace Initiative.

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          @Crossed:disqus 

          Hamas, who like you said won the election fair and square, so who technically represents the Palestinian people, never singed the Arab Peace Initiative. 

          And besides. Flooding Israel with 4 million grandchildren of refugees is not peace. It will lead to 2 Palestinian states.  

  12. The military JUNTA of CAIRO simply want to begin a reenactment of MAMELUKE SULTANATE which stretched from BENGHAZI to ALEPPO…Ce n’est q’un début…

  13. The military JUNTA of CAIRO simply want to begin a reenactment of MAMELUKE SULTANATE which stretched from BENGHAZI to ALEPPO…Ce n’est q’un début…

  14. letsstayhonest Avatar
    letsstayhonest

    There is now a Hudna of sorts between Israel and Gaza. Imperfect, yes, but it is a start. I am all for Egypt allowing the free movement of people through its border with Gaza. And another extremely necessary step is to allow exports from Gaza to improve their economic situation. These exports were stopped by Israel when Hamas sent suicide bombers hidden into containers meant to be shipped through Israel. Now Egypt can take the risk. The best thing for the Gazans is to send Hamas packing in the next election, but I don’t hold my breath that Hamas will accept the election result. Hamas version of democracy is one person one vote one time.

    1. Crossed Avatar
      Crossed

      Lets stay honest. No, I’m not calling your name, I’m telling you to stay honest. Gaza held an election and Hamas won fair and square. If they lose the next one, they will accept that too. You judge based on their actions. You can’t come to your conclusion once you consider that Hamas held free and fair democratic elections.

      1. Sussy09 Avatar
        Sussy09

        Hitler was elected by ‘Free Elections’ too..

        1. Crossed Avatar
          Crossed

          So was Olmert and he murdered 1200 Lebanese and 1400 Palestinians. But it’s still a democratic process.

        2. Sussy09 Avatar
          Sussy09

          Crossed – and fyi, when you repeat a lie so many times, it still doesn’t make it True!

  15. letsstayhonest Avatar
    letsstayhonest

    There is now a Hudna of sorts between Israel and Gaza. Imperfect, yes, but it is a start. I am all for Egypt allowing the free movement of people through its border with Gaza. And another extremely necessary thing is to allow exports from Gaza to improve their economic situation. These exports were stopped by Israel when Hamas sent suicide bombers hidden into containers meant to be shipped through Israel. Now Egypt can take the risk. The best thing for the Gazans is to send Hamas packing in the next election, but I don’t hold my breath that Hamas will accept the election result. Hamas version of democracy is one person one vote one time.

    1.  Avatar
      Anonymous

      Lets stay honest. No, I’m not calling your name, I’m telling you to stay honest. Gaza held an election and Hamas won fair and square. If they lose the next one, they will accept that too. You judge based on their actions. You can’t come to your conclusion once you consider that Hamas held free and fair democratic elections.

      1.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        Hitler was elected by ‘Free Elections’ too..

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          So was Olmert and he murdered 1200 Lebanese and 1400 Palestinians. But it’s still a democratic process.

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          So was Olmert and he murdered 1200 Lebanese and 1400 Palestinians. But it’s still a democratic process.

        3.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Crossed – and fyi, when you repeat a lie so many times, it still doesn’t make it True!

      2.  Avatar
        Anonymous

        One CAN conclude that if we look at Lebanon and Hezzbolla, and how they fractured the country when they lost an election.

        1.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          “we accept the results of the national elections and accept the role of the opposition” – Nassrallah.
          Very fracturing words indeed.

        2.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          “we accept the results of the national elections and accept the role of the opposition” – Nassrallah.
          Very fracturing words indeed.

        3.  Avatar
          Anonymous

          Men are known not so much by their words, but by the deeds they do.

  16. letsstayhonest Avatar
    letsstayhonest

    There is now a Hudna of sorts between Israel and Gaza. Imperfect, yes, but it is a start. I am all for Egypt allowing the free movement of people through its border with Gaza. And another extremely necessary thing is to allow exports from Gaza to improve their economic situation. These exports were stopped by Israel when Hamas sent suicide bombers hidden into containers meant to be shipped through Israel. Now Egypt can take the risk. The best thing for the Gazans is to send Hamas packing in the next election, but I don’t hold my breath that Hamas will accept the election result. Hamas version of democracy is one person one vote one time.

  17. eblashko Avatar
    eblashko

    Here is a little quote by  Mahmoud Al-Zahar, co-founder and current strongman in Hamas. This speech, given 6 months ago, is proof to why, until Hamas changes its ways, Israel would be foolish to end the blockade.

    “On this occasion, dear brothers and sisters, we cannot but recall the
    crimes of these criminal [Jews] throughout history. Today, we present
    the world with a bunch of questions, and we challenge it to answer them
    honestly, for today, interests overshadow moral values, elections overshadow
    principles, and Zionism has overshadowed the truth.

    “We ask the people of
    the world today: Why did France, in 1253, expel and uproot the Jewish
    entity, which was represented by the ghetto? Why did they expel them?
    Because they sucked the blood of the French, because they shed the blood
    of the French, slaughtered them, stole their money, and conspired against
    them. At the end of the day, the French had no choice but to expel them
    in 1253.

    “The [Jews] fled north,
    to Britain, and lived there for only 27 years, until the English realized
    the criminality of these people, who murdered them, sucked their blood,
    and stole their money. So they slaughtered hem, and expelled them in
    1280.

    “We ask the French and
    the British: Why did you expel them? We ask Germany of pre-Hitler times:
    Why were the [Jews] expelled in 1384? We ask the [Jews] why France expelled
    them a second time, in 1360, why Hungry expelled them in 1360, and why
    Belgium expelled them in 1370.

    “This was not something
    new – it started even before 1253, on the day that Pharaoh the tyrant
    expelled them because they had shed the blood of the Egyptians, and
    had conspired with their enemies against them. So [Pharaoh] expelled
    them, after they lost their religion, after the time of Joseph.

    “Was this series [of explosions]
    anything new? No. After the Czechs expelled them in 1380. Austria expelled
    them in 1420, Holland in 1444, and Spain in 1492. Russia expelled them
    after they conspired to assassinate the Czar in 1882, and Germany expelled
    them once again in 1945.

    “The series of expulsions
    continues to this day. Blood continues to be shed, martyrs continue
    to fall, our sons continue to hoist the banner high, and Allah willing,
    their expulsion from Palestine in its entirety is certain to come. We
    are no weaker or less honorable than the peoples that expelled and annihilated
    the Jews. The day we expel them is drawing near.

    […]

    “The nation that opens
    up its doors, its hearts, and its homes to the [Jews] who were expelled
    from all corners of the earth was the Islamic nation.

    […]

    We extended our hands
    to feed these hungry dogs and wild beasts, and they devoured our fingers.
    We have learned the lesson – there is no place for you among us, and
    you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed to
    annihilation.”

    Well? Thoughts? What should Israel do? Is Giving Hamas freedom in the strip the answer to peace?

  18.  Avatar
    Anonymous

    Here is a little quote by  Mahmoud Al-Zahar, co-founder and current strongman in Hamas. This speech, given 6 months ago, is proof to why, until Hamas changes its ways, Israel would be foolish to end the blockade.

    “On this occasion, dear brothers and sisters, we cannot but recall the
    crimes of these criminal [Jews] throughout history. Today, we present
    the world with a bunch of questions, and we challenge it to answer them
    honestly, for today, interests overshadow moral values, elections overshadow
    principles, and Zionism has overshadowed the truth.

    “We ask the people of
    the world today: Why did France, in 1253, expel and uproot the Jewish
    entity, which was represented by the ghetto? Why did they expel them?
    Because they sucked the blood of the French, because they shed the blood
    of the French, slaughtered them, stole their money, and conspired against
    them. At the end of the day, the French had no choice but to expel them
    in 1253.

    “The [Jews] fled north,
    to Britain, and lived there for only 27 years, until the English realized
    the criminality of these people, who murdered them, sucked their blood,
    and stole their money. So they slaughtered hem, and expelled them in
    1280.

    “We ask the French and
    the British: Why did you expel them? We ask Germany of pre-Hitler times:
    Why were the [Jews] expelled in 1384? We ask the [Jews] why France expelled
    them a second time, in 1360, why Hungry expelled them in 1360, and why
    Belgium expelled them in 1370.

    “This was not something
    new – it started even before 1253, on the day that Pharaoh the tyrant
    expelled them because they had shed the blood of the Egyptians, and
    had conspired with their enemies against them. So [Pharaoh] expelled
    them, after they lost their religion, after the time of Joseph.

    “Was this series [of explosions]
    anything new? No. After the Czechs expelled them in 1380. Austria expelled
    them in 1420, Holland in 1444, and Spain in 1492. Russia expelled them
    after they conspired to assassinate the Czar in 1882, and Germany expelled
    them once again in 1945.

    “The series of expulsions
    continues to this day. Blood continues to be shed, martyrs continue
    to fall, our sons continue to hoist the banner high, and Allah willing,
    their expulsion from Palestine in its entirety is certain to come. We
    are no weaker or less honorable than the peoples that expelled and annihilated
    the Jews. The day we expel them is drawing near.

    […]

    “The nation that opens
    up its doors, its hearts, and its homes to the [Jews] who were expelled
    from all corners of the earth was the Islamic nation.

    […]

    We extended our hands
    to feed these hungry dogs and wild beasts, and they devoured our fingers.
    We have learned the lesson – there is no place for you among us, and
    you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed to
    annihilation.”

    Well? Thoughts? What should Israel do? Is Giving Hamas freedom in the strip the answer to peace?

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