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STL Indictments: Begining of the End For Hezbollah?

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By Ghassan Karam

Hezbollah might eventually be described by the adage “The faster they rise the harder they fall”. This popular adage is applicable to individuals as well as institutions that are thrust into the limelight as a result of some favourable developments but then the same institutions implode because they were not ready for prime time.

Hezbollah is such an institution that rose to prominence as a result of its ability to resist Israeli occupation and to continuously act as a thorn in the side of the Israelis who overstayed their welcome in Lebanon. But Hezbollah was not satisfied with these important gains in its stature since its real goal was not to only help drive the Israeli army from Lebanon. It can be argued, rather convincingly, that the ultimate aim of Hezbollah was to act as an Iranian vanguard by spreading the power of the Qom Grand Ayatollah to the Mediterranean. That goal of establishing a state run by the faqih was never totally abandoned but instead its full implementation was put on hold for purely strategic reasons.

History, in general, unfolds by moving forward in such a way as to create new visions and new realities that expand the concept of rights and ethics. It is note worthy to point to the continuous expansion in the circle of ethics  all throughout history. This concept started with the self and then expanded to the family, the tribe, the nation and nature but will not end until it covers the whole cosmos a la the ideas of Chardin. Those that cannot accept the challenges of the new realities but insist on solving all problems by going back to an imaginary mythical past will do so at their own peril. This has been the problem of Hezbollah right from its inception. It refused to act democratically and still insists on a very strict and fundamental religious dogma that is based on undemocratic values, rejection of diversity, the right to dissent and above all its ferocious stand to protect its right to stand above the law.

These destructive attitudes have contributed to the creation of an imaginary world where Hezbollah can do no wrong. Hezbollah demanded and won the right to be part of a cabinet that it does not recognize and started what turned out to be a devastating war with huge losses in Lebanese blood and treasure but declared the result a divine victory. Things were never what they seemed.

All of the above though, pales when placed next to its present dilemma. As if it is not enough to be an illegal militia that has no regard to the rule of law and the institutions of the state, a body politic that operates on Lebanese land but pledges allegiance to foreign powers it is currently acting as a guilty party in the case of the assassination of the former prime minister Rafic Hariri. The Special Tribunal for Lebanon,STL, was set up by the United Nations at the behest of the Lebanese government to investigate the egregious events of the 2005 explosion that killed Mr. Hariri and 21 others.

Hezbollah has gone on the offensive to counter what is allegedly expected to be indictment of many of its members in the Hariri case. Sayed Hassan Nasrallah has made a number of appearances to declare to the world that the STL is illegitimate and that it is ultimately an Israeli/American court. We are also inundated with daily proclamations by all sorts of party officials that no one should accept the legitimacy of the STL and those that do are to be considered traitors and Israeli collaborators. Many have even hinted rather bluntly at sedition once the party members are indicted.

This desperate behavior seems to corroborate the validity of the alleged accusations. The honorable and rational thing to do would have been to await the indictments and then respond to the charges. But how can we expect a party whose power rests with its illegal militia to act democratically and within the dictates of the law? It’s a party that rejects the legitimacy of the power of the state that it wants to be a part off and instead is threatening street demonstrations and hinting at pulling out of a cabinet that it would not have been invited to join had it not been for all its threats and machinations.

There is no doubt that Hezbollah can withdraw its members from the cabinet and maybe even force the cabinet to resign. That would actually be a good thing since Hezbollah would have started actions that will end up in marginalizing it. They might force a reshuffle of the government but they will not be able to form one under their leadership. Hezbollah’s reaction to the potential indictment of some of its members in the explosion that killed Rafic Hariri and many of his entourage; if the case is strong; could set in motion a chain of events that will usher in the beginning of the end of this chapter of Lebanese history. Could Hezbollah be the frog that keeps on inhaling to get bigger until it explodes?

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45 responses to “STL Indictments: Begining of the End For Hezbollah?”

  1. Sebouh80 Avatar
    Sebouh80

    There is no secret that sectarian political groups in Lebanon had their glorious days at some point in history.
    However, due to the buildup of internal contradictions inside each sect or party which eventually paved the way for their demise.
    Let me remind the viewers of political parties who at some point in time were considered to be a “State within a State”.
    1. PLO (1969-1982)
    2. Maronite Supremacy under the Phalangists from (1975-1990)
    3. Syrian tutelage from 1990 till 2005
    4. Hezbollah (1990- ) expanded their State within a State with direct coordination with the Syrians and now they have become a mature domineering force in Lebanon.
    Mr. Karam, in this article you are calling the beginning of the End for Hezbollah’s hegemony over Lebanon.
    Well this might be true if we are going to take this view in a dialectical form, but I think it is still premature to announce such a blatant call now.
    Now let us for once look at Shia point of view of events.
    As we know the Shiite community from the period from 1923-1948 were people living in what is known today as southern Lebanon they were merchants and traders who traded in commodities with their fellow Palestinian Arabs.
    The fortunes of these people, however, changed dramatically to the worth ever since the creation of State of Israel in 1948 which had effected their economic well being.
    After this period, Shiites from 1948 till 1975 were often neglected by the state and were seen as the most disadvantage sect in Lebanon both politically and economically.
    During the 1950s and 60s Shiites were ruled by the traditional feudal Zeuma families like the Assaads, Osseirans, Khalil, Hamadeh and Harfoush.
    These feudal families were hardly interested with the economic wellfare of their constituents.
    Moreover, the Shiite community members at first were the backbone behind leftist parties at that time which they later embraced to Imam Musa al-Sadr’s Amal movement and the movement of deprived that adopted the slogan of continuous struggle until there are no deprived people left in Lebanon.
    Amal movement was a secular movement and after the mysterious disappearance of Musa Al Sadr in 1978 the party had split into two groups between Amal and the Islamic Amal movement which later after the Iranian revolution of 1979 became radicalized under the influence of Iranian revolutionary guards and was believed to be named Hezbollah by late Ayatollah Khomeini.
    Today, Hezbollah and Amal represent more than 80% of the shiite community in Lebanon this is all thanks to the formers continuous financial support from Iran which are able to provide the necessary social support to their sect.
    Finally, if history is any guide than not a single country, empire or political party will indefinitly expand without creating antagonisms this is against the human norm and Hezbollah is not special.

    Yes from this point of view we can conclude that everything has a beginning an end.

    Sebouh Akharjalian

    1. Ghassankaram Avatar
      Ghassankaram

      Sebouh,
      Obviously the argument rests on a dialectical analysis. This does not mean that Hezbollah will cease to exist as soon as the indictments are issued, it simply implies that if the indictments are as strong as the leaks suggest then Hezbollah’s reactions have thus far not been helpful. Hezbollah might have been able to overcome being tainted by the indictments had they been acting as a part of the state instead of always using their illegal weapons to act as bullies above the law. It is ironic that HA is using the threat of sedition for an act that it committed and is challenging the legitimate authorities to enforce the law. What HA is actually saying is that courts and laws apply to others, we are above the law. HA is acting just like a mafia boss and this indictment in the court of public opinion; if it is to happen; will severely taint the whole organization. It will have to eventually join all the other groups that you have mentioned, in the trash bin of history.

  2. Avatar
    Anonymous

    There is no secret that sectarian political groups in Lebanon had their glorious days at some point in history.

    However, due to the buildup of internal contradictions inside each sect or party which eventually paved the way for their demise.

    Let me remind the viewers of political parties who at some point in time were considered to be a “State within a State”.

    1. PLO (1969-1982)

    2. Maronite Supremacy under the Phalangists from (1975-1990)

    3. Syrian tutelage from 1990 till 2005

    4. Hezbollah (1990- ) expanded their State within a State with direct coordination with the Syrians and now they have become a mature domineering force in Lebanon.

    Mr. Karam, in this article you are calling the beginning of the End for Hezbollah’s hegemony over Lebanon.

    Well this might be true if we are going to take this view in a dialectical form, but I think it is still premature to announce such a blatant call now.

    Now let us for once look at Shia point of view of events.

    As we know the Shiite community from the period from 1923-1948 were people living in what is known today as southern Lebanon they were merchants and traders who traded in commodities with their fellow Palestinian Arabs.

    The fortunes of these people, however, changed dramatically to the worth ever since the creation of State of Israel in 1948 which had effected their economic well being.

    After this period, Shiites from 1948 till 1975 were often neglected by the state and were seen as the most disadvantage sect in Lebanon both politically and economically.

    During the 1950s and 60s Shiites were ruled by the traditional feudal Zeuma families like the Assaads, Osseirans, Khalil, Hamadeh and Harfoush.

    These feudal families were hardly interested with the economic wellfare of their constituents.

    Moreover, the Shiite community members at first were the backbone behind leftist parties at that time which they later embraced to Imam Musa al-Sadr’s Amal movement and the movement of deprived that adopted the slogan of continuous struggle until there are no deprived people left in Lebanon.

    Amal movement was a secular movement and after the mysterious disappearance of Musa Al Sadr in 1978 the party had split into two groups between Amal and the Islamic Amal movement which later after the Iranian revolution of 1979 became radicalized under the influence of Iranian revolutionary guards and was believed to be named Hezbollah by late Ayatollah Khomeini.

    Today, Hezbollah and Amal represent more than 80% of the shiite community in Lebanon this is all thanks to the formers continuous financial support from Iran which are able to provide the necessary social support to their sect.

    Finally, if history is any guide than not a single country, empire or political party will indefinitly expand without creating antagonisms this is against the human norm and Hezbollah is not special.

    Yes from this point of view we can conclude that everything has a beginning an end.

    Sebouh Akharjalian

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      Sebouh,
      Obviously the argument rests on a dialectical analysis. This does not mean that Hezbollah will cease to exist as soon as the indictments are issued, it simply implies that if the indictments are as strong as the leaks suggest then Hezbollah’s reactions have thus far not been helpful. Hezbollah might have been able to overcome being tainted by the indictments had they been acting as a part of the state instead of always using their illegal weapons to act as bullies above the law. It is ironic that HA is using the threat of sedition for an act that it committed and is challenging the legitimate authorities to enforce the law. What HA is actually saying is that courts and laws apply to others, we are above the law. HA is acting just like a mafia boss and this indictment in the court of public opinion; if it is to happen; will severely taint the whole organization. It will have to eventually join all the other groups that you have mentioned, in the trash bin of history.

  3. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Ghassan theory may work if applied to secular Parties. Most secular parties who were dominating the political arena, have either collapsed or been diminished. Only Parties that are sectarian or/and religious have taken their place.Lebanese political parties and their sects are protecting each other. It’s unfortunate that all major political parties and organizations are well divided along sectarian lines. It’s a clear vertical line. Two major shiia parties, one Sunni party, one druz, and three Christian parties are dominating the political life. Any, and every one of these parties, claims to represent (and defend) a sect. Each sect is embracing, and supporting its party.What ever historical patterns the political world goes through, may not apply to Lebanon’s political life, nor does it apply to any of its political parties.Lebanon has gone through many cycles of civilian wars.More than 100,000 Lebanese were murdered. Many were murdered just because they prayed different than the killers of that day.Cleansing took place in many areas. Towns and neighborhoods were totally destroyed. People were displaced by force. In a civilized world, the champions of these wars should have been tried for their crimes. Their parties should never have been able to remain in existence. But instead, all of these parties are “representing” Lebanese people, and their leaders are unfortunately “our leaders” and “Heroes”. One would think they should be in prison , but they are out there , ” Leading us” and some of them asking us for medals,and others claiming to be prophetic
    .Not underestimating the STL’s expected indictment against HA, nor am I underestimating the futuristic effect, it may have on the sunni/shiia relationship in particular, and on the Lebanese future in general. An indictment alone would be viewed by most Sunni as a guilty verdict, regardless of what the outcome of a trial is.That being said, People thought that , the phalange party and the Lebanese forces , would disappear from the Lebanese political equation for ever ,after their involvement with Israel( the enemy), and the devastation they brought on Lebanon.Looking the their popularity, one would have never guessed their history.

    1. Ghassankaram Avatar
      Ghassankaram

      Prophet,
      As I told Sebouh earlier, there is no doubt that my argument rests on academic analysis. But it is the theoretical academic analysis that is worthwhile in the long run.
      I do understand that the composition of political parties in a sectarian environment is different that what things would be in a secular world. Yet I have taken the position, years ago, that a Hezbollah kind organization will ultimately fail since it is repudiating the seminal principles that guide the evolution of history. In my mind, a world in the image of HA is a step backward and that is essentially why it will fail.
      I am , furthermore saying, that HA is helping bring about its own demise by its reaction to the expected STL indictments. If the HA is to become as marginalised as the Kataeb then that will be a healthy step for Lebanon although ultimately we need a real revolution whereby all the traditional figures are deposed in favour of a more democratic vision.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        The only reason the phalange party is marginalized, is because it split into two different parties, the LF, and the phalange. Otherwise It would have enjoyed the support of the LF followers as well.
        I don’t doubt that all religious parties eventually will fall, but in a sectarian environment, like Lebanon, this becomes as academic as your original theory.
        All proven theories are well tested in a unique country like Lebanon.
        That also goes for economic theories, I assume .But you’re more qualified then me to talk about that,lol

  4. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Ghassan theory may work if applied to secular Parties. Most secular parties who were dominating the political arena, have either collapsed or been diminished. Only Parties that are sectarian or/and religious have taken their place.

    Lebanese political parties and their sects are protecting each other. It’s unfortunate that all major political parties and organizations are well divided along sectarian lines. It’s a clear vertical line.

    Two major shiia parties, one Sunni party, one druz, and three Christian parties are dominating the political life. Any, and every one of these parties, claims to represent (and defend) a sect. Each sect is embracing, and supporting its party.

    What ever historical patterns the political world goes through, may not apply to Lebanon’s political life, nor does it apply to any of its political parties.

    Lebanon has gone through many cycles of civilian wars.

    More than 100,000 Lebanese were murdered. Many were murdered just because they prayed different than the killers of that day.

    Cleansing took place in many areas. Towns and neighborhoods were totally destroyed.

    People were displaced by force.

    In a civilized world, the champions of these wars should have been tried for their crimes. Their parties should never have been able to remain in existence. But instead, all of these parties are “representing” Lebanese people, and their leaders are unfortunately “our leaders” and “Heroes”. One would think they should have been tried for their crimes, and not given medals. Some do claim to be prophetic as well.

    Not underestimating the STL’s expected indictment against HA, nor am I underestimating the futuristic effect, it may have on the sunni/shiia relationship in particular, and on the Lebanese future in general. An indictment alone would be viewed by most Sunni as a guilty verdict, regardless of what the outcome of a trial is.

    That being said, People thought that , the phalange party and the Lebanese forces , would disappear from the Lebanese political equation for ever ,after their involvement with Israel( the enemy), and the devastation they brought on Lebanon.

    1. Avatar
      Anonymous

      Prophet,
      As I told Sebouh earlier, there is no doubt that my argument rests on academic analysis. But it is the theoretical academic analysis that is worthwhile in the long run.
      I do understand that the composition of political parties in a sectarian environment is different that what things would be in a secular world. Yet I have taken the position, years ago, that a Hezbollah kind organization will ultimately fail since it is repudiating the seminal principles that guide the evolution of history. In my mind, a world in the image of HA is a step backward and that is essentially why it will fail.
      I am , furthermore saying, that HA is helping bring about its own demise by its reaction to the expected STL indictments. If the HA is to become as marginalised as the Kataeb then that will be a healthy step for Lebanon although ultimately we need a real revolution whereby all the traditional figures are deposed in favour of a more democratic vision.

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        The only reason the phalange party is marginalized, is because it split into two different parties, the LF, and the phalange. Otherwise It would have enjoyed the support of the LF followers as well.
        I don’t doubt that all religious parties eventually will fall, but in a sectarian environment, like Lebanon, this becomes as academic as your original theory.
        All proven theories are well tested in a unique country like Lebanon.
        That also goes for economic theories, I assume .But you’re more qualified then me to talk about that,lol

  5. feorio Avatar
    feorio

    Mr. Karam
    I agree with you that this could be the begining of the end for HA, but sad to say, not after a tremendous blood shed on the Lebanese arena. HA could do what Slobodan Milosevic had done in the past to retain power; murdering whomever gets in thier way. What HA had done in the past in downtown Beirut and the recent altercation in Bur Abu Haidar are proofs that they are willing to go above and beyond the law. Mr. Karam, I admire your courage and please keep up the great work. God bless you!!!

  6. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Mr. Karam

    I agree with you that this could be the begining of the end for HA, but sad to say, not after a tremendous blood shed on the Lebanese arena. HA could do what Slobodan Milosevic had done in the past to retain power; murdering whomever gets in thier way. What HA had done in the past in downtown Beirut and the recent altercation in Bur Abu Haidar are proofs that they are willing to go above and beyond the law. Mr. Karam, I admire your courage and please keep up the great work. God bless you!!!

  7. NAGDELLA Avatar
    NAGDELLA

    Interesting piece of work Mr Karam. I find it ironic that instead of sticking to historical events, you have tried to delude your audience with bogus facts that exposes your true nature as an obscure commentator.

    “It can be argued, rather convincingly, that the ultimate aim of Hezbollah was to act as an Iranian vanguard by spreading the power of the Qom Grand Ayatollah to the Mediterranean.”

    The Iranians who were on the brink of annihilation and engaged in a horrendous war with Saddam who had the support of every western nation, had a vision that a group of Lebanese men in south Lebanon with limited weapons were their ticket to spreading power to the Mediterranean? A group of men fighting the strongest army in the region? Since when has being a dominant force in Lebanon meant that you are a super power in the region? You want to talk about vanguards. Why do you fail to mention the vanguard proposed by western states under the disguise of the ‘New Middle East’ slogan aimed specifically at eradicating Hezbollah at protecting Israeli interests? And you say, “rather convincingly”? No Mr Karam I am unconvinced!

    “It refused to act democratically and still insists on a very strict and fundamental religious dogma that is based on undemocratic values, rejection of diversity, the right to dissent and above all its ferocious stand to protect its right to stand above the law.”

    You make it sound as if it is the shia that runs the state of Lebanon. You want to talk about democracy Mr Karam whereby a shia can never be the prime minister or the president! And if Hezbollah were to mention this they would be attacked relentlessly by people like yourself. But let me guess that has nothing to do with “rejection of diversity”?

    “insists on a very strict and fundamental religious dogma”. When was the last time you strolled into the Hezbollah strong-hold of the southern suburbs of Beirut Mr Karam? Did you see women being beaten for not wearing their Hijabs or did you see shop fronts being forced to close at prayer time similar to the Saudi Arabian procedure? Your claims are baseless and even worse immature!

    “protect its right to stand above the law.” The fact that you mention they are protecting their right acknowledges that you deem the Lebanese judiciary a crooked collection. Whereby politicians who are famous for collaborating with Israel and others who have been found guilty of murder are pardoned while innocents are jailed amid baseless claims. How just!

    “These destructive attitudes have contributed to the creation of an imaginary world where Hezbollah can do no wrong.” Never mind the imaginary world Mr Karam. Let’s talk about the realistic world where a number of politicians such as the prime minister have admitted their wrongs which have damaged political ties between certain countries and almost sent the country into pandemonium but have failed to follow-up the cause of the effect.

    “a devastating war with huge losses in Lebanese blood and treasure but declared the result a divine victory.” At a time when Israel would kill, kidnap, and plunder at the expense of defenseless shia, they were not considered Lebanese blood or treasure but when they finally resist an Israeli incursion, you mock the divine victory that which you are ignorant and apathetic of!

    “As if it is not enough to be an illegal militia” No Mr Karam. Under the Lebanese government, Hezbollah is considered a resistance and according to the Taif Agreement which was approved in parliament, a resistance can maintain their weapons. These illegal militias you refer to are the ones maintained by certain March 14 parties that use them to fire on protestors during demonstrations.

    “STL, was set up by the United Nations at the behest of the Lebanese government” Please refrain from distorting facts Mr Karam. It was not at the behest of the Lebanese government because as I recall, the speaker was not a part of the government when the STL was voted in, so hence it was at the behest of the illegitimate Lebanese government. But then again you will have no problem with that because you define ‘law’ differently to others!

    “The honorable and rational thing to do would have been to await the indictments and then respond to the charges.” If that were the case Mr Karam, why were you not campaigning against the March 14 parties who blamed Syria for the murder of Rafik Hariri before any indictment report was released by the STL? Because the game has changed hasn’t it. Now there is an ace in the hole. You know it, Hezbollah knows it and so does the rest of the world. After you play your cards right, you decide to fling honour and rationale where you see befitting!

    Just some words of advice Mr Karam. Hezbollah is not limited to its weapons arsenal. Hezbollah is an idea. A symbol. A person living in Alaska who adheres to the principles set by Hezbollah has become Hezbollah. You cannot just burn or bury symbols so swiftly.

    “STL Indictments: Beginning of the End For Hezbollah?”

    Fat chance Mr Karam!

    1. Ghassankaram Avatar
      Ghassankaram

      Nagdella,
      Thank you for taking the time to write your comments. I do not want this to become a tit for tat but let me respond to some of the points that you make:

      Iran: You cannot dismiss and deny the Iranian connection as if it does not exist. Iran established, trained, armed and funded Hezbollah and it still does. Only yesterday President Ahmadinajad spoke about the Iranian border with Israel. And I hope that you are not going to deny the importance of the Wilayat Al Faqih to Hezbollah.

      Diversity and Democracy: Diversity and democracy imply individual freedom and the right of dissent. Both concepts appear to be allien to Hezbollah. And BTW, I never said a word about the shia, you did. You seem to use the term interchangably with Hezbollah which I am sure will be very much against the beliefs of many Shias. But I imagine in the world of Hezbollah these people who dare express a different idea than the Hezb are traitors and criminals with no rights.

      Sectarianism: You must not have read some of my previous posts . I have been a vocal critic of sectarianism for decades. It is not only the shia that are denied the opportunity to occupy an office ; it is all minorities and women. The sectarian problem will be resolved not through more quotas but through total secularism which you cannot support. Actually democracy and religious beliefs are not compatable anywhere in the world.

      Religous Dogma: Thank goodness that Hezbollah is less fundamental than Saudi Arabia and te Salafis. So you do admit that religious fundamentalism is destructive and discriminatory.

      Above the Law: There are areas of Lebanon that the legitimate police force is not allowed to enter. Hezbollah has cache s of arms that are in contradiction to Lebanese law as well as international commitments of the state.

      STL: Your response to this point makes the chasm that separates you from a rule of law very clear. You claim that the request by the Lebanese authorities was not legal since it did not enjoy the approval of the speaker. Do you realize what you have just said? You want to give the speaker executive authority which the post does not enjoy.I imagine that the government of Lebanon , in your view.is composed of individuals with a religious affiliation 🙂

      No backward looking organization such as Hezbollah can defy the laws of history. Such organizations can never prevail over time. What is ironic in this instance is that Hezbollahs own efforts to protect its positions are backfiring and will contribute to its own denise. Only time will tell whether this reading of events is true or whether it is false.

      1. Fauzia45 Avatar
        Fauzia45

        I agree Mr Karam that ¨such organizations can never prevail over time¨!What will contribute to the end of such organizations or movements is when they attempt the impossible!!One can only go back in history and see what happened!

      2. NAGDELLA Avatar
        NAGDELLA

        In regards to your reply Mr Karam,

        ”Iran: You cannot dismiss and deny the Iranian connection as if it does not exist. Iran established, trained, armed and funded Hezbollah and it still does.”

        Yes you are right about the Iranian connection and no one doubts it but what a shame it exists. What a shame that some Lebanese had to rely on another state to gain back their rights and freedom. What a shame that at a time when southerners were in a state of oppression, Lebanon’s political leaders were signing peace treaties with Israel. State the facts Mr karam. What did you expect them to do? Lebanon couldn’t fund and train them, USA had no intention to, Iran stuck their hand out so they took it. What’s the problem? Training and funding is crucial to pretty much anything we do these days whether it’s riding a bike or flying an F-16. What about the US connection? The Lebanese army receives military aid and training from Israel’s closest ally the US. Is there a problem with that? To the Israelis there is no problem with that because while they receive state-of-the art weapons, the Lebanese army receives BB guns. Talk about an insult! That’s the balance the US and Israel want to maintain. But Hezbollah is disrupting this balance which is making the Israelis itch. Hezbollah has said it on numerous occasions, “We cannot and do not want to keep our weapons forever. Assemble a strong army and our weapons will be irrelevant.” Mr Karam if the US were to come to Lebanon tomorrow and equip the Lebanese army with the exact same weapons they equip Israel with, I’d be the first to call for the surrendering of Hezbollahs’ weapons. But you and I know this is highly implausible. But I cannot comprehend why taking Iranian weapons is a problem? You talk about the Iranian connection and the funding and training they give Hezbollah like it’s a problem while at the same time you called Hezbollahs’ resistance “important gains”. Do you realize how perplexed you sound? Either you support the weapons holistically or you don’t. And the US calls Lebanon an ally. Some friend. Why don’t they just kick us between the legs while they’re at it!

        “Only yesterday President Ahmadinajad spoke about the Iranian border with Israel.”

        Mr Karam the Farsi language is very poetic. Much like Arabic. They use a lot of allegory. Read between the lines. It simply means in spirit. The same way fans back a sporting team. Nothing more, nothing less.

        “And I hope that you are not going to deny the importance of the Wilayat Al Faqih to Hezbollah.”

        As for Wilayat Al Faqih Mr Karam, PROPHET.T covered most aspects of it and there is no need to address it further. But you were spot on, “importance of the Wilayat Al Faqih to Hezbollah”, meaning the furthest Hezbollah will impose Wilayat Al Faqih will be on Hezbollah members. The Lebanese army has its own form of Wilayat Al Faqih. Can you imagine an army with no infantry and only commanders?

        “You seem to use the term interchangably with Hezbollah which I am sure will be very much against the beliefs of many Shias. But I imagine in the world of Hezbollah these people who dare express a different idea than the Hezb are traitors and criminals with no rights.”

        No Mr Karam the majority of shia support Hezbollah regardless whether you want to believe your own tales or not. Take a first hand source like PROPHET.T who is a southerner.

        “So you do admit that religious fundamentalism is destructive and discriminatory.”

        No Mr Karam do not misinterpret me. In no way does the Saudi Arabian procedure fall under the beliefs of Islam.

        “There are areas of Lebanon that the legitimate police force is not allowed to enter.”

        And there in lies the paradox Mr Karam. Maybe it has something to do with the police force not wanting to enter certain areas of Lebanon, the same way the army didn’t want to enter south Lebanon during the Israeli occupation. All of a sudden once the hard yards are complete by self motivating Lebanese, the state wants to restore order to areas it wanted nothing to do with at one stage. Is that a horse you’d bet on?

        “You want to give the speaker executive authority which the post does not enjoy. I imagine that the government of Lebanon , in your view.is composed of individuals with a religious affiliation :-)”

        Hahaha are you kidding me?? In MY view?? What government are you envisioning? Take the shroud off your eyes and have another look Mr Karam. ONLY a sunni can be prime minister, ONLY a shia can be speaker, and ONLY a maronite can be president! You minus ONE of these positions, not only does a government not exist under Lebanese law, but no other religious sect can fill this position. It’s preposterous isn’t it 🙂

        “What is ironic in this instance is that Hezbollahs own efforts to protect its positions are backfiring and will contribute to its own denise.”

        I doubt it very much Mr Karam. Their telecommunications network came under attack and look what protecting their positions brought them. The reversal of the irresponsible assault and the parties pushing for it dropped to their knees.

        Learn from history Mr Karam. Only a fool trips over the same stone twice!

    2. Ghassankaram Avatar
      Ghassankaram

      Nagdella,
      Thank you for taking the time to write your comments. I do not want this to become a tit for tat but let me respond to some of the points that you make:

      Iran: You cannot dismiss and deny the Iranian connection as if it does not exist. Iran established, trained, armed and funded Hezbollah and it still does. Only yesterday President Ahmadinajad spoke about the Iranian border with Israel. And I hope that you are not going to deny the importance of the Wilayat Al Faqih to Hezbollah.

      Diversity and Democracy: Diversity and democracy imply individual freedom and the right of dissent. Both concepts appear to be allien to Hezbollah. And BTW, I never said a word about the shia, you did. You seem to use the term interchangably with Hezbollah which I am sure will be very much against the beliefs of many Shias. But I imagine in the world of Hezbollah these people who dare express a different idea than the Hezb are traitors and criminals with no rights.

      Sectarianism: You must not have read some of my previous posts . I have been a vocal critic of sectarianism for decades. It is not only the shia that are denied the opportunity to occupy an office ; it is all minorities and women. The sectarian problem will be resolved not through more quotas but through total secularism which you cannot support. Actually democracy and religious beliefs are not compatable anywhere in the world.

      Religous Dogma: Thank goodness that Hezbollah is less fundamental than Saudi Arabia and te Salafis. So you do admit that religious fundamentalism is destructive and discriminatory.

      Above the Law: There are areas of Lebanon that the legitimate police force is not allowed to enter. Hezbollah has cache s of arms that are in contradiction to Lebanese law as well as international commitments of the state.

      STL: Your response to this point makes the chasm that separates you from a rule of law very clear. You claim that the request by the Lebanese authorities was not legal since it did not enjoy the approval of the speaker. Do you realize what you have just said? You want to give the speaker executive authority which the post does not enjoy.I imagine that the government of Lebanon , in your view.is composed of individuals with a religious affiliation 🙂

      No backward looking organization such as Hezbollah can defy the laws of history. Such organizations can never prevail over time. What is ironic in this instance is that Hezbollahs own efforts to protect its positions are backfiring and will contribute to its own denise. Only time will tell whether this reading of events is true or whether it is false.

      1. NAGDELLA Avatar
        NAGDELLA

        In regards to your reply Mr Karam,

        ”Iran: You cannot dismiss and deny the Iranian connection as if it does not exist. Iran established, trained, armed and funded Hezbollah and it still does.”

        Yes you are right about the Iranian connection and no one doubts it but what a shame it exists. What a shame that some Lebanese had to rely on another state to gain back their rights and freedom. What a shame that at a time when southerners were in a state of oppression, Lebanon’s political leaders were signing peace treaties with Israel. State the facts Mr karam. What did you expect them to do? Lebanon couldn’t fund and train them, USA had no intention to, Iran stuck their hand out so they took it. What’s the problem? Training and funding is crucial to pretty much anything we do these days whether it’s riding a bike or flying an F-16. What about the US connection? The Lebanese army receives military aid and training from Israel’s closest ally the US. Is there a problem with that? To the Israelis there is no problem with that because while they receive state-of-the art weapons, the Lebanese army receives BB guns. Talk about an insult! That’s the balance the US and Israel want to maintain. But Hezbollah is disrupting this balance which is making the Israelis itch. Hezbollah has said it on numerous occasions, “We cannot and do not want to keep our weapons forever. Assemble a strong army and our weapons will be irrelevant.” Mr Karam if the US were to come to Lebanon tomorrow and equip the Lebanese army with the exact same weapons they equip Israel with, I’d be the first to call for the surrendering of Hezbollahs’ weapons. But you and I know this is highly implausible. But I cannot comprehend why taking Iranian weapons is a problem? You talk about the Iranian connection and the funding and training they give Hezbollah like it’s a problem while at the same time you called Hezbollahs’ resistance “important gains”. Do you realize how perplexed you sound? Either you support the weapons holistically or you don’t. And the US calls Lebanon an ally. Some friend. Why don’t they just kick us between the legs while they’re at it!

        “Only yesterday President Ahmadinajad spoke about the Iranian border with Israel.”

        Mr Karam the Farsi language is very poetic. Much like Arabic. They use a lot of allegory. Read between the lines. It simply means in spirit. The same way fans back a sporting team. Nothing more, nothing less.

        “And I hope that you are not going to deny the importance of the Wilayat Al Faqih to Hezbollah.”

        As for Wilayat Al Faqih Mr Karam, PROPHET.T covered most aspects of it and there is no need to address it further. But you were spot on, “importance of the Wilayat Al Faqih to Hezbollah”, meaning the furthest Hezbollah will impose Wilayat Al Faqih will be on Hezbollah members. The Lebanese army has its own form of Wilayat Al Faqih. Can you imagine an army with no infantry and only commanders?

        “You seem to use the term interchangably with Hezbollah which I am sure will be very much against the beliefs of many Shias. But I imagine in the world of Hezbollah these people who dare express a different idea than the Hezb are traitors and criminals with no rights.”

        No Mr Karam the majority of shia support Hezbollah regardless whether you want to believe your own tales or not. Take a first hand source like PROPHET.T who is a southerner.

        “So you do admit that religious fundamentalism is destructive and discriminatory.”

        No Mr Karam do not misinterpret me. In no way does the Saudi Arabian procedure fall under the beliefs of Islam.

        “There are areas of Lebanon that the legitimate police force is not allowed to enter.”

        And there in lies the paradox Mr Karam. Maybe it has something to do with the police force not wanting to enter certain areas of Lebanon, the same way the army didn’t want to enter south Lebanon during the Israeli occupation. All of a sudden once the hard yards are complete by self motivating Lebanese, the state wants to restore order to areas it wanted nothing to do with at one stage. Is that a horse you’d bet on?

        “You want to give the speaker executive authority which the post does not enjoy. I imagine that the government of Lebanon , in your view.is composed of individuals with a religious affiliation :-)”

        Hahaha are you kidding me?? In MY view?? What government are you envisioning? Take the shroud off your eyes and have another look Mr Karam. ONLY a sunni can be prime minister, ONLY a shia can be speaker, and ONLY a maronite can be president! You minus ONE of these positions, not only does a government not exist under Lebanese law, but no other religious sect can fill this position. It’s preposterous isn’t it 🙂

        “What is ironic in this instance is that Hezbollahs own efforts to protect its positions are backfiring and will contribute to its own denise.”

        I doubt it very much Mr Karam. Their telecommunications network came under attack and look what protecting their positions brought them. The reversal of the irresponsible assault and the parties pushing for it dropped to their knees.

        Learn from history Mr Karam. Only a fool trips over the same stone twice!

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    Anonymous

    Interesting piece of work Mr Karam. I find it ironic that instead of sticking to historical events, you have tried to delude your audience with bogus facts that exposes your true nature as an obscure commentator.

    “It can be argued, rather convincingly, that the ultimate aim of Hezbollah was to act as an Iranian vanguard by spreading the power of the Qom Grand Ayatollah to the Mediterranean.”

    The Iranians who were on the brink of annihilation and engaged in a horrendous war with Saddam who had the support of every western nation, had a vision that a group of Lebanese men in south Lebanon with limited weapons were their ticket to spreading power to the Mediterranean? A group of men fighting the strongest army in the region? Since when has being a dominant force in Lebanon meant that you are a super power in the region? You want to talk about vanguards. Why do you fail to mention the vanguard proposed by western states under the disguise of the ‘New Middle East’ slogan aimed specifically at eradicating Hezbollah at protecting Israeli interests? And you say, “rather convincingly”? No Mr Karam I am unconvinced!

    “It refused to act democratically and still insists on a very strict and fundamental religious dogma that is based on undemocratic values, rejection of diversity, the right to dissent and above all its ferocious stand to protect its right to stand above the law.”

    You make it sound as if it is the shia that runs the state of Lebanon. You want to talk about democracy Mr Karam whereby a shia can never be the prime minister or the president! And if Hezbollah were to mention this they would be attacked relentlessly by people like yourself. But let me guess that has nothing to do with “rejection of diversity”?

    “insists on a very strict and fundamental religious dogma”. When was the last time you strolled into the Hezbollah strong-hold of the southern suburbs of Beirut Mr Karam? Did you see women being beaten for not wearing their Hijabs or did you see shop fronts being forced to close at prayer time similar to the Saudi Arabian procedure? Your claims are baseless and even worse immature!

    “protect its right to stand above the law.” The fact that you mention they are protecting their right acknowledges that you deem the Lebanese judiciary a crooked collection. Whereby politicians who are famous for collaborating with Israel and others who have been found guilty of murder are pardoned while innocents are jailed amid baseless claims. How just!

    “These destructive attitudes have contributed to the creation of an imaginary world where Hezbollah can do no wrong.” Never mind the imaginary world Mr Karam. Let’s talk about the realistic world where a number of politicians such as the prime minister have admitted their wrongs which have damaged political ties between certain countries and almost sent the country into pandemonium but have failed to follow-up the cause of the effect.

    “a devastating war with huge losses in Lebanese blood and treasure but declared the result a divine victory.” At a time when Israel would kill, kidnap, and plunder at the expense of defenseless shia, they were not considered Lebanese blood or treasure but when they finally resist an Israeli incursion, you mock the divine victory that which you are ignorant and apathetic of!

    “As if it is not enough to be an illegal militia” No Mr Karam. Under the Lebanese government, Hezbollah is considered a resistance and according to the Taif Agreement which was approved in parliament, a resistance can maintain their weapons. These illegal militias you refer to are the ones maintained by certain March 14 parties that use them to fire on protestors during demonstrations.

    “STL, was set up by the United Nations at the behest of the Lebanese government” Please refrain from distorting facts Mr Karam. It was not at the behest of the Lebanese government because as I recall, the speaker was not a part of the government when the STL was voted in, so hence it was at the behest of the illegitimate Lebanese government. But then again you will have no problem with that because you define ‘law’ differently to others!

    “The honorable and rational thing to do would have been to await the indictments and then respond to the charges.” If that were the case Mr Karam, why were you not campaigning against the March 14 parties who blamed Syria for the murder of Rafik Hariri before any indictment report was released by the STL? Because the game has changed hasn’t it. Now there is an ace in the hole. You know it, Hezbollah knows it and so does the rest of the world. After you play your cards right, you decide to fling honour and rationale where you see befitting!

    Just some words of advice Mr Karam. Hezbollah is not limited to its weapons arsenal. Hezbollah is an idea. A symbol. A person living in Alaska who adheres to the principles set by Hezbollah has become Hezbollah. You cannot just burn or bury symbols so swiftly.

    “STL Indictments: Beginning of the End For Hezbollah?”

    Fat chance Mr Karam!

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      Anonymous

      Nagdella,

      Thank you for taking the time to write your comments. I do not want this to become a tit for tat but let me respond to some of the points that you make:

      Iran: You cannot dismiss and deny the Iranian connection as if it does not exist. Iran established, trained, armed and funded Hezbollah and it still does. Only yesterday President Ahmadinajad spoke about the Iranian border with Israel. And I hope that you are not going to deny the importance of the Wilayat Al Faqih to Hezbollah.

      Diversity and Democracy: Diversity and democracy imply individual freedom and the right of dissent. Both concepts appear to be allien to Hezbollah. And BTW, I never said a word about the shia, you did. You seem to use the term interchangably with Hezbollah which I am sure will be very much against the beliefs of many Shias. But I imagine in the world of Hezbollah these people who dare express a different idea than the Hezb are traitors and criminals with no rights.

      Sectarianism: You must not have read some of my previous posts . I have been a vocal critic of sectarianism for decades. It is not only the shia that are denied the opportunity to occupy an office ; it is all minorities and women. The sectarian problem will be resolved not through more quotas but through total secularism which you cannot support. Actually democracy and religious beliefs are not compatable anywhere in the world.

      Religous Dogma: Thank goodness that Hezbollah is less fundamental than Saudi Arabia and te Salafis. So you do admit that religious fundamentalism is destructive and discriminatory.

      Above the Law: There are areas of Lebanon that the legitimate police force is not allowed to enter. Hezbollah has cache s of arms that are in contradiction to Lebanese law as well as international commitments of the state.

      STL: Your response to this point makes the chasm that separates you from a rule of law very clear. You claim that the request by the Lebanese authorities was not legal since it did not enjoy the approval of the speaker. Do you realize what you have just said? You want to give the speaker executive authority which the post does not enjoy.I imagine that the government of Lebanon , in your view.is composed of individuals with a religious affiliation 🙂

      No backward looking organization such as Hezbollah can defy the laws of history. Such organizations can never prevail over time. What is ironic in this instance is that Hezbollahs own efforts to protect its positions are backfiring and will contribute to its own denise. Only time will tell whether this reading of events is true or whether it is false.

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        Anonymous

        I agree Mr Karam that ¨such organizations can never prevail over time¨!What will contribute to the end of such organizations or movements is when they attempt the impossible!!One can only go back in history and see what happened!

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        Anonymous

        In regards to your reply Mr Karam,

        ”Iran: You cannot dismiss and deny the Iranian connection as if it does not exist. Iran established, trained, armed and funded Hezbollah and it still does.”

        Yes you are right about the Iranian connection and no one doubts it but what a shame it exists. What a shame that some Lebanese had to rely on another state to gain back their rights and freedom. What a shame that at a time when southerners were in a state of oppression, Lebanon’s political leaders were signing peace treaties with Israel. State the facts Mr karam. What did you expect them to do? Lebanon couldn’t fund and train them, USA had no intention to, Iran stuck their hand out so they took it. What’s the problem? Training and funding is crucial to pretty much anything we do these days whether it’s riding a bike or flying an F-16. What about the US connection? The Lebanese army receives military aid and training from Israel’s closest ally the US. Is there a problem with that? To the Israelis there is no problem with that because while they receive state-of-the art weapons, the Lebanese army receives BB guns. Talk about an insult! That’s the balance the US and Israel want to maintain. But Hezbollah is disrupting this balance which is making the Israelis itch. Hezbollah has said it on numerous occasions, “We cannot and do not want to keep our weapons forever. Assemble a strong army and our weapons will be irrelevant.” Mr Karam if the US were to come to Lebanon tomorrow and equip the Lebanese army with the exact same weapons they equip Israel with, I’d be the first to call for the surrendering of Hezbollahs’ weapons. But you and I know this is highly implausible. But I cannot comprehend why taking Iranian weapons is a problem? You talk about the Iranian connection and the funding and training they give Hezbollah like it’s a problem while at the same time you called Hezbollahs’ resistance “important gains”. Do you realize how perplexed you sound? Either you support the weapons holistically or you don’t. And the US calls Lebanon an ally. Some friend. Why don’t they just kick us between the legs while they’re at it!

        “Only yesterday President Ahmadinajad spoke about the Iranian border with Israel.”

        Mr Karam the Farsi language is very poetic. Much like Arabic. They use a lot of allegory. Read between the lines. It simply means in spirit. The same way fans back a sporting team. Nothing more, nothing less.

        “And I hope that you are not going to deny the importance of the Wilayat Al Faqih to Hezbollah.”

        As for Wilayat Al Faqih Mr Karam, PROPHET.T covered most aspects of it and there is no need to address it further. But you were spot on, “importance of the Wilayat Al Faqih to Hezbollah”, meaning the furthest Hezbollah will impose Wilayat Al Faqih will be on Hezbollah members. The Lebanese army has its own form of Wilayat Al Faqih. Can you imagine an army with no infantry and only commanders?

        “You seem to use the term interchangably with Hezbollah which I am sure will be very much against the beliefs of many Shias. But I imagine in the world of Hezbollah these people who dare express a different idea than the Hezb are traitors and criminals with no rights.”

        No Mr Karam the majority of shia support Hezbollah regardless whether you want to believe your own tales or not. Take a first hand source like PROPHET.T who is a southerner.

        “So you do admit that religious fundamentalism is destructive and discriminatory.”

        No Mr Karam do not misinterpret me. In no way does the Saudi Arabian procedure fall under the beliefs of Islam.

        “There are areas of Lebanon that the legitimate police force is not allowed to enter.”

        And there in lies the paradox Mr Karam. Maybe it has something to do with the police force not wanting to enter certain areas of Lebanon, the same way the army didn’t want to enter south Lebanon during the Israeli occupation. All of a sudden once the hard yards are complete by self motivating Lebanese, the state wants to restore order to areas it wanted nothing to do with at one stage. Is that a horse you’d bet on?

        “You want to give the speaker executive authority which the post does not enjoy. I imagine that the government of Lebanon , in your view.is composed of individuals with a religious affiliation :-)”

        Hahaha are you kidding me?? In MY view?? What government are you envisioning? Take the shroud off your eyes and have another look Mr Karam. ONLY a sunni can be prime minister, ONLY a shia can be speaker, and ONLY a maronite can be president! You minus ONE of these positions, not only does a government not exist under Lebanese law, but no other religious sect can fill this position. It’s preposterous isn’t it 🙂

        “What is ironic in this instance is that Hezbollahs own efforts to protect its positions are backfiring and will contribute to its own denise.”

        I doubt it very much Mr Karam. Their telecommunications network came under attack and look what protecting their positions brought them. The reversal of the irresponsible assault and the parties pushing for it dropped to their knees.

        Learn from history Mr Karam. Only a fool trips over the same stone twice!

  9. ghaddad Avatar
    ghaddad

    NAGDELLA what are you talking about? you sound so convincing and very sure of yourself. Even as I want to be fair to hezbollah I cannot due to the many facts and truth Mr. Karam has mentioned here. Yes Lebanese in general suffered a lot at the hands of israel and no one can deny it. But you merged the shiite community with hezbollah which i doubt not majority of them do support them. Hezbollah has silenced many voices in their community and they’re doing it now to all Lebanon.
    Hezbollah adventure in 2006 was a mere Iranian operations to show its main objectives where to humilate israel and free Samir Qantar. Nassrallah wanted to rub the israeli nose and also Iranians wanted to try their technology and military tactics against israel. Was it neccessary to really involve Lebanon in 2006 by kidnapping and killing israeli soldiers who were at their borders and not ours? didn’t israel withdraw from South Lebanon? we really do not have any land occupied by israel contrary to what hezbollah and syria wanted to feed us about the farms. These were and still syrian land and not lebanese. There is only Ghajar where their inhabitants wanted to be still under israel control and they’re begging israel to stay there.
    Was it neccessary to prove to israel that we can free Samir Qantar in order to show their provado and their arrogance? didn’t the war resulted in over 1000 killed and thousands wounded and many homes and properties destroyed? let alone the whole summer tourism lost billions of dollars and many business contracts? didn’t hezbollah occupy Beirut for 2 yrs and destroyed its economy? what do you call this Symbol of what? I call it symbol of arrogance and destructions and manial ideology all in the name of protecting their interest along with syria and iranians interest.. What about attacking west Beirut in 2008 and killing many innocent lives? who have secret offices at the airport and no gov’t official dares to even peak in there. what about the latest incident with roaming beirut with armed gorillas and inside the airport standing behind security officers all to protect Jamil Al Saadan. Jamil Al Wati the men who prosecuted and tortured and killed many innocent lebanese all to protect the regime of syria.. who are you kidding about this symbol of hypcrocy and lies and deceits? when fatah al islam were butchering the army Nassrallah hardly supported the army and even threatened it if it was going to attack the camp to flush out these terrorists your hezbollah indirectly supported. What about Naef Moussawi who’s threatening and many others civil strife, blood and will kill anyone who supports the STL. Yes NAGDELLA we all still believe Syria was the original planner of the attacks and with the main help of Hezbollah. Its Hariri naive thinking by trying to split the syrian away from hezbollah. However he understimated the Iranian influence over Syria and even Assad finding he can play his games so long but eventually he got his own masters in Tehran to follow. Hezbollah after they fought so heroically israel in the 80’s they become arrogant and had big plans afterward. That leads us to believe the fight was more for their own than it would have to do with doing it for Lebanon. You can think all you like, but I totally agree with Mr. Karam and whatever he mentioned it happened and still going. Maybe there is nobody shooting women who are not wearing hijab for now. But they will all in due time. Hezbollah thought they could do it before but little they know even the shiite community did not want to support it. But Iran is doing it to their own people by oppressing them and suppressing any revolts. What make you think that hezbollah will not do it when the time becomes ripe? when the time when no one dares to defy nassrallah and his gangs. We’re still stuck with many axis of evil within and around the borders. You sound too good and you seem very intelligent i give you that. But one thing is obvious what is happening and what’s taking place. You can scream and shout all you like but what Mr. Karam said here is not based on being biased but on the simple truth. And you can’t handle the truth and neither is hezbollah. they’re mighty right now, but when israel destroys lebanon because Iranian rulers want us to fight their proxy wars. God help hezbollah and unfortunately the shiite community for they will suffer and go back to the same way they started in lebanon. No body is saying that the March 14th are not the wrong leaders right now, but at least they’re not going around killing people in the name of their ideology. Its time to surrender to the truth and the truth shall set you free. Long Live Lebanon and protect it from the inside as well as from the outside.

    1. NAGDELLA Avatar
      NAGDELLA

      “But you merged the shiite community with hezbollah which i doubt not majority of them do support them. Hezbollah has silenced many voices in their community and they’re doing it now to all Lebanon.”

      Please do not base your allegations on doubt ghaddad for it is doubt that will make you believe your own lies. Personally I have yet to meet a shia who does not support Hezbollah so until you can prove me otherwise, your claims are downright conjecture.

      “Hezbollah adventure in 2006 was a mere Iranian operations to show its main objectives where to humilate israel and free Samir Qantar. Nassrallah wanted to rub the israeli nose and also Iranians wanted to try their technology and military tactics against israel.”

      Since the establishment of Hezbollah and even before them with Amal, they have been conducting operations against the Israelis. No one had a problem with it up until 2006 when the Israelis pushed for an all out war which was planned which you are probably ignorant of. Looks like you suffer from selective memory syndrome ghaddad. The Israelis admitted a war on Lebanon had been on the horizon but instead, you choose to regurgitate what the March 14 leaders feed you!

      “Was it neccessary to really involve Lebanon in 2006 by kidnapping and killing israeli soldiers who were at their borders and not ours?”

      Was it necessary for Israelis to kidnap and kill Lebanese from our borders and not theirs? Was it necessary for Israel not to return Lebanese corpses? The reality is ghaddad whether you know it or not, is that you don’t care because they are not your brothers or sisters or parents or children buried in Israeli territory.

      “didn’t israel withdraw from South Lebanon? we really do not have any land occupied by israel contrary to what hezbollah and syria wanted to feed us about the farms. These were and still syrian land and not lebanese. There is only Ghajar where their inhabitants wanted to be still under israel control and they’re begging israel to stay there.”

      Do you see the contradiction in your statement? First you say, “contrary to what hezbollah and syria wanted to feed us about the farms.”, then you say, “These were and still syrian land” So Syria is saying that the farms are Lebanese but you ghaddad are telling the Syrians it’s not? Maybe I should get you Bashar Assads’ phone number so you can clear up the mess with him and insist that it is not Lebanese land? And I would love to see the results of the independent poll that was conducted in Ghajar begging the Israelis to remain put!

      “Was it neccessary to prove to israel that we can free Samir Qantar in order to show their provado and their arrogance?”

      I don’t know ghaddad you tell me. Since Samir Qantar was imprisoned, what have the March 14 done to help liberate this man? Absolutely ZERO! As soon as he touches down at the airport, they line up like cattle to welcome him home!

      “didn’t the war resulted in over 1000 killed and thousands wounded and many homes and properties destroyed? let alone the whole summer tourism lost billions of dollars and many business contracts? didn’t hezbollah occupy Beirut for 2 yrs and destroyed its economy? what do you call this Symbol of what? I call it symbol of arrogance and destructions and manial ideology all in the name of protecting their interest along with syria and iranians interest..”

      It appears you have learnt nothing from life ghaddad. Firstly save us your rhetoric about Hezbollah destroying the country. You acknowledge that Israel is a bully so tell me what is the cure in countering this bully? Bowing to their demands? No of course not. You stand up to them, right? So if this bully gives you an ultimatum; bow to our demands or we destroy your country, what do you do? You fight them with everything at your disposal because you have to sacrifice to gain ghaddad. You want to earn a degree in university, you must sacrifice time, recreational activities etc. You want to win a battle, you must sacrifice bullets or soldiers. Do you see the general notion? But if you’re going to cry over spilt milk, then these 1000 Lebanese would have died in vain. Properties and economies can be rebuilt ghaddad but deterrence is priceless. Ask the arab countries who fought in the 6 day war. Lebanon has become a symbol of bravery and steadfastness since the 2006 war for all the arab countries in the region and it’s repulsive that you are not holding your head high for the world to see it!

      “God help hezbollah and unfortunately the shiite community for they will suffer and go back to the same way they started in lebanon.”

      No I’m sorry to burst your bubble but the Shiite community will only receive glad tidings from here on end. They have absorbed everything that was thrown at them and have remained steadfast. Any future plots or schemes targeting them will only strengthen and increase their determination.

      Of course God help Hezbollah. Haven’t you seen the top of their flag?

      “Then surely the party of God are they that shall be triumphant”

      1. ghaddad Avatar
        ghaddad

        Nagdella its not true the Shiites community is behind Hezbollah and hezbollah proved it only helped their members after the 2006. There were many voices that got silenced and you know that very well. Just because you seem to know how to articulate your words, that doesn’t make them true. As far as Israel we all know what kind of deadly enemy we’re facing. But why invite it to war in 2006 if they didn’t started it. Just because they said they were preparing for war and that’s because they have known what hezbollah been up to. Yes the 2006 war was an adventure and the israeli soldiers were kidnapped to free palestinians prisoner and one lousy terrorist called Samir Quntar. He’s a baby killer just like you. You’re hezbollah hide behind Qana School three times and shot from around there to invite israeli bombings. Not only to this school to their own community as well. There are many voices came out against hezbollah from Dahia and the South. I am not going to research and tell you everyone because I believe even if i did commit the time and paste the info here. You will not be convinced anyway. The farms never belonged to Lebanon and Syria did say it was lebanese all to keep the war going between hezbollah and israel. You’re lying when you say they belong to Lebanon. I studied lebanon geography and history and never heard of them belonging to lebanon. Assad is a big liar and con artist and he’s the enemy of lebanon as much as israel. Anyone says that those who befriended the israelis are traitors to Lebanon. I say the same thing those who befriended a so called friendly state that destroyed lebanon for 30 yrs and still doing it. It considers Lebanon part of the Greater Syria and do not respect lebanon period. Just because they installed a consulate in lebanon or so called embassy, that don’t mean nothing. They still meddle on daily basis in lebanon. they stab us at every chance they have. They’re our deadliest friendly neighbor and you’re aiding these criminals in order to control lebanon and put it under the influence of Iran. March 14th leaders are no angels. But at least they’re not going threatening people like your kind of leaders. They’re not going around threatening civil war if indicted by the STL? Lebanese people and gov’t are not taking you to jail if hezbollah members were indicted? so why are you threatening blood and chaos? I am telling you israel will not rest this time until it eliminates hezbollah. Unfortunately because of what hezbollah is doing, the whole shiite community will suffer as a whole. Let’s leave this discussion until next war and I pray it doesn’t happen. But its imminent obviously and when the borders is boiling and Iran wants to get even with israel and the west. Who else cannot use to fight its proxy wars? Lebanon is doomed First because of israel, second syria, third Iran and now because of hezbollah. Stop waging wars and stop your threats. Since hezbollah is convinced that STL will indict its members that’s like admission of guilt by itself. Then they should work on how to really work deals with lebanese gov’t to improve their image not destroy lebanon because its trying to protect rogue members. Or maybe its afraid that these members if arrested will confess that Nassrallah and Iran and Syria were all behind it. What are you afraid of? you say you have nothing to fear? so what’s the big hoopla about threatening civil war? if you start one, do you think lebanese from different sects will not go after hezbollah and the shiite community in general? this was the nature of the past civil wars and nothing will change. Israel will strike and weakens hezbollah and the Ghostbusters will come after you with vengeance. Time to reason with your lebanese bretheren and stop being arrogant. Arrogance will lead you to humilation and eventually total submission. Believe what you like but history will never forgive you and the enemies of lebanon. You will fall harder than you think and you will bring the whole lebanon back to caves. Stop it while you have the chance before we will all be wiped out. enough is enough and we have had enough of hezbollah, syria, fatah al islam , al qaada, israel and iran. We’re tired of them and you’re helping these groups destroy lebanon. If you truly love lebanon and you’re fighting for lebanon as you claim. Then you can put an end to this insanity and maddening threats of war. But i really doubt you will because you believe in the divine of Waliat AL Faqih and this ideology is going to destroy you and take Lebanon with it. If you love Lebanon then tell Syria, iran and all these extremists groups leave us alone and fight them. Once you do, then we will fight with you all the way to the end. But you’re so stubborn headed and arrogant i don’t see you doing it. So war we will have because of the wrong path you’re taking and taking lebanon with it.

        1. NAGDELLA Avatar
          NAGDELLA

          “Let’s leave this discussion until next war and I pray it doesn’t happen.”

          You are right ghaddad let’s leave it till the next war because quite frankly you are wasting my time. You have some sort of addiction to basing allegations on untamed presumptions which have little to no influence in a court of law. But I have one last request… You say Hezbollah will be defeated in the next war. Not a problem. If you are half the person you say you are and certain Hezbollah will be defeated, put your money where your mouth is. At the conclusion of the subsequent war when Hezbollah emerge victorious, and they will, I want you to keep an oath that you will be the first person to attend the victory rally waving a Hezbollah flag. I mean you sound so doubtless why shouldn’t you commit to my request? You never know I may see you down there 😉 Takecare!

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    Anonymous

    NAGDELLA what are you talking about? you sound so convincing and very sure of yourself. Even as I want to be fair to hezbollah I cannot due to the many facts and truth Mr. Karam has mentioned here. Yes Lebanese in general suffered a lot at the hands of israel and no one can deny it. But you merged the shiite community with hezbollah which i doubt not majority of them do support them. Hezbollah has silenced many voices in their community and they’re doing it now to all Lebanon.
    Hezbollah adventure in 2006 was a mere Iranian operations to show its main objectives where to humilate israel and free Samir Qantar. Nassrallah wanted to rub the israeli nose and also Iranians wanted to try their technology and military tactics against israel. Was it neccessary to really involve Lebanon in 2006 by kidnapping and killing israeli soldiers who were at their borders and not ours? didn’t israel withdraw from South Lebanon? we really do not have any land occupied by israel contrary to what hezbollah and syria wanted to feed us about the farms. These were and still syrian land and not lebanese. There is only Ghajar where their inhabitants wanted to be still under israel control and they’re begging israel to stay there.
    Was it neccessary to prove to israel that we can free Samir Qantar in order to show their provado and their arrogance? didn’t the war resulted in over 1000 killed and thousands wounded and many homes and properties destroyed? let alone the whole summer tourism lost billions of dollars and many business contracts? didn’t hezbollah occupy Beirut for 2 yrs and destroyed its economy? what do you call this Symbol of what? I call it symbol of arrogance and destructions and manial ideology all in the name of protecting their interest along with syria and iranians interest.. What about attacking west Beirut in 2008 and killing many innocent lives? who have secret offices at the airport and no gov’t official dares to even peak in there. what about the latest incident with roaming beirut with armed gorillas and inside the airport standing behind security officers all to protect Jamil Al Saadan. Jamil Al Wati the men who prosecuted and tortured and killed many innocent lebanese all to protect the regime of syria.. who are you kidding about this symbol of hypcrocy and lies and deceits? when fatah al islam were butchering the army Nassrallah hardly supported the army and even threatened it if it was going to attack the camp to flush out these terrorists your hezbollah indirectly supported. What about Naef Moussawi who’s threatening and many others civil strife, blood and will kill anyone who supports the STL. Yes NAGDELLA we all still believe Syria was the original planner of the attacks and with the main help of Hezbollah. Its Hariri naive thinking by trying to split the syrian away from hezbollah. However he understimated the Iranian influence over Syria and even Assad finding he can play his games so long but eventually he got his own masters in Tehran to follow. Hezbollah after they fought so heroically israel in the 80’s they become arrogant and had big plans afterward. That leads us to believe the fight was more for their own than it would have to do with doing it for Lebanon. You can think all you like, but I totally agree with Mr. Karam and whatever he mentioned it happened and still going. Maybe there is nobody shooting women who are not wearing hijab for now. But they will all in due time. Hezbollah thought they could do it before but little they know even the shiite community did not want to support it. But Iran is doing it to their own people by oppressing them and suppressing any revolts. What make you think that hezbollah will not do it when the time becomes ripe? when the time when no one dares to defy nassrallah and his gangs. We’re still stuck with many axis of evil within and around the borders. You sound too good and you seem very intelligent i give you that. But one thing is obvious what is happening and what’s taking place. You can scream and shout all you like but what Mr. Karam said here is not based on being biased but on the simple truth. And you can’t handle the truth and neither is hezbollah. they’re mighty right now, but when israel destroys lebanon because Iranian rulers want us to fight their proxy wars. God help hezbollah and unfortunately the shiite community for they will suffer and go back to the same way they started in lebanon. No body is saying that the March 14th are not the wrong leaders right now, but at least they’re not going around killing people in the name of their ideology. Its time to surrender to the truth and the truth shall set you free. Long Live Lebanon and protect it from the inside as well as from the outside.

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      Anonymous

      “But you merged the shiite community with hezbollah which i doubt not majority of them do support them. Hezbollah has silenced many voices in their community and they’re doing it now to all Lebanon.”

      Please do not base your allegations on doubt ghaddad for it is doubt that will make you believe your own lies. Personally I have yet to meet a shia who does not support Hezbollah so until you can prove me otherwise, your claims are downright conjecture.

      “Hezbollah adventure in 2006 was a mere Iranian operations to show its main objectives where to humilate israel and free Samir Qantar. Nassrallah wanted to rub the israeli nose and also Iranians wanted to try their technology and military tactics against israel.”

      Since the establishment of Hezbollah and even before them with Amal, they have been conducting operations against the Israelis. No one had a problem with it up until 2006 when the Israelis pushed for an all out war which was planned which you are probably ignorant of. Looks like you suffer from selective memory syndrome ghaddad. The Israelis admitted a war on Lebanon had been on the horizon but instead, you choose to regurgitate what the March 14 leaders feed you!

      “Was it neccessary to really involve Lebanon in 2006 by kidnapping and killing israeli soldiers who were at their borders and not ours?”

      Was it necessary for Israelis to kidnap and kill Lebanese from our borders and not theirs? Was it necessary for Israel not to return Lebanese corpses? The reality is ghaddad whether you know it or not, is that you don’t care because they are not your brothers or sisters or parents or children buried in Israeli territory.

      “didn’t israel withdraw from South Lebanon? we really do not have any land occupied by israel contrary to what hezbollah and syria wanted to feed us about the farms. These were and still syrian land and not lebanese. There is only Ghajar where their inhabitants wanted to be still under israel control and they’re begging israel to stay there.”

      Do you see the contradiction in your statement? First you say, “contrary to what hezbollah and syria wanted to feed us about the farms.”, then you say, “These were and still syrian land” So Syria is saying that the farms are Lebanese but you ghaddad are telling the Syrians it’s not? Maybe I should get you Bashar Assads’ phone number so you can clear up the mess with him and insist that it is not Lebanese land? And I would love to see the results of the independent poll that was conducted in Ghajar begging the Israelis to remain put!

      “Was it neccessary to prove to israel that we can free Samir Qantar in order to show their provado and their arrogance?”

      I don’t know ghaddad you tell me. Since Samir Qantar was imprisoned, what have the March 14 done to help liberate this man? Absolutely ZERO! As soon as he touches down at the airport, they line up like cattle to welcome him home!

      “didn’t the war resulted in over 1000 killed and thousands wounded and many homes and properties destroyed? let alone the whole summer tourism lost billions of dollars and many business contracts? didn’t hezbollah occupy Beirut for 2 yrs and destroyed its economy? what do you call this Symbol of what? I call it symbol of arrogance and destructions and manial ideology all in the name of protecting their interest along with syria and iranians interest..”

      It appears you have learnt nothing from life ghaddad. Firstly save us your rhetoric about Hezbollah destroying the country. You acknowledge that Israel is a bully so tell me what is the cure in countering this bully? Bowing to their demands? No of course not. You stand up to them, right? So if this bully gives you an ultimatum; bow to our demands or we destroy your country, what do you do? You fight them with everything at your disposal because you have to sacrifice to gain ghaddad. You want to earn a degree in university, you must sacrifice time, recreational activities etc. You want to win a battle, you must sacrifice bullets or soldiers. Do you see the general notion? But if you’re going to cry over spilt milk, then these 1000 Lebanese would have died in vain. Properties and economies can be rebuilt ghaddad but deterrence is priceless. Ask the arab countries who fought in the 6 day war. Lebanon has become a symbol of bravery and steadfastness since the 2006 war for all the arab countries in the region and it’s repulsive that you are not holding your head high for the world to see it!

      “God help hezbollah and unfortunately the shiite community for they will suffer and go back to the same way they started in lebanon.”

      No I’m sorry to burst your bubble but the Shiite community will only receive glad tidings from here on end. They have absorbed everything that was thrown at them and have remained steadfast. Any future plots or schemes targeting them will only strengthen and increase their determination.

      Of course God help Hezbollah. Haven’t you seen the top of their flag?

      “Then surely the party of God are they that shall be triumphant”

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        Anonymous

        Nagdella its not true the Shiites community is behind Hezbollah and hezbollah proved it only helped their members after the 2006. There were many voices that got silenced and you know that very well. Just because you seem to know how to articulate your words, that doesn’t make them true. As far as Israel we all know what kind of deadly enemy we’re facing. But why invite it to war in 2006 if they didn’t started it. Just because they said they were preparing for war and that’s because they have known what hezbollah been up to. Yes the 2006 war was an adventure and the israeli soldiers were kidnapped to free palestinians prisoner and one lousy terrorist called Samir Quntar. He’s a baby killer just like you. You’re hezbollah hide behind Qana School three times and shot from around there to invite israeli bombings. Not only to this school to their own community as well. There are many voices came out against hezbollah from Dahia and the South. I am not going to research and tell you everyone because I believe even if i did commit the time and paste the info here. You will not be convinced anyway. The farms never belonged to Lebanon and Syria did say it was lebanese all to keep the war going between hezbollah and israel. You’re lying when you say they belong to Lebanon. I studied lebanon geography and history and never heard of them belonging to lebanon. Assad is a big liar and con artist and he’s the enemy of lebanon as much as israel. Anyone says that those who befriended the israelis are traitors to Lebanon. I say the same thing those who befriended a so called friendly state that destroyed lebanon for 30 yrs and still doing it. It considers Lebanon part of the Greater Syria and do not respect lebanon period. Just because they installed a consulate in lebanon or so called embassy, that don’t mean nothing. They still meddle on daily basis in lebanon. they stab us at every chance they have. They’re our deadliest friendly neighbor and you’re aiding these criminals in order to control lebanon and put it under the influence of Iran. March 14th leaders are no angels. But at least they’re not going threatening people like your kind of leaders. They’re not going around threatening civil war if indicted by the STL? Lebanese people and gov’t are not taking you to jail if hezbollah members were indicted? so why are you threatening blood and chaos? I am telling you israel will not rest this time until it eliminates hezbollah. Unfortunately because of what hezbollah is doing, the whole shiite community will suffer as a whole. Let’s leave this discussion until next war and I pray it doesn’t happen. But its imminent obviously and when the borders is boiling and Iran wants to get even with israel and the west. Who else cannot use to fight its proxy wars? Lebanon is doomed First because of israel, second syria, third Iran and now because of hezbollah. Stop waging wars and stop your threats. Since hezbollah is convinced that STL will indict its members that’s like admission of guilt by itself. Then they should work on how to really work deals with lebanese gov’t to improve their image not destroy lebanon because its trying to protect rogue members. Or maybe its afraid that these members if arrested will confess that Nassrallah and Iran and Syria were all behind it. What are you afraid of? you say you have nothing to fear? so what’s the big hoopla about threatening civil war? if you start one, do you think lebanese from different sects will not go after hezbollah and the shiite community in general? this was the nature of the past civil wars and nothing will change. Israel will strike and weakens hezbollah and the Ghostbusters will come after you with vengeance. Time to reason with your lebanese bretheren and stop being arrogant. Arrogance will lead you to humilation and eventually total submission. Believe what you like but history will never forgive you and the enemies of lebanon. You will fall harder than you think and you will bring the whole lebanon back to caves. Stop it while you have the chance before we will all be wiped out. enough is enough and we have had enough of hezbollah, syria, fatah al islam , al qaada, israel and iran. We’re tired of them and you’re helping these groups destroy lebanon. If you truly love lebanon and you’re fighting for lebanon as you claim. Then you can put an end to this insanity and maddening threats of war. But i really doubt you will because you believe in the divine of Waliat AL Faqih and this ideology is going to destroy you and take Lebanon with it. If you love Lebanon then tell Syria, iran and all these extremists groups leave us alone and fight them. Once you do, then we will fight with you all the way to the end. But you’re so stubborn headed and arrogant i don’t see you doing it. So war we will have because of the wrong path you’re taking and taking lebanon with it.

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          Anonymous

          “Let’s leave this discussion until next war and I pray it doesn’t happen.”

          You are right ghaddad let’s leave it till the next war because quite frankly you are wasting my time. You have some sort of addiction to basing allegations on untamed presumptions which have little to no influence in a court of law. But I have one last request… You say Hezbollah will be defeated in the next war. Not a problem. If you are half the person you say you are and certain Hezbollah will be defeated, put your money where your mouth is. At the conclusion of the subsequent war when Hezbollah emerge victorious, and they will, I want you to keep an oath that you will be the first person to attend the victory rally waving a Hezbollah flag. I mean you sound so doubtless why shouldn’t you commit to my request? You never know I may see you down there 😉 Takecare!

  11. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Ghassan K.
    In your response to NAGDELLA, I was struck by a few points you made:
    1- You “imagine in the world of Hezbollah these people who dare express a different idea than the Hezb are traitors and criminals with no rights.”
    Being a southerner who does not see eye to eye with the ideology of HA, I can say with confidence, that no Shiaa has ever been treated as you describe, just because they expressed different idea than HA. HA can not, and does not impose its views and ideology on other Shiia in Lebanon. They recruit, just like any other political organization in the Lebanon, people into their side all the time.
    I ‘d advice you to visit the south next time you visit Lebanon. You’d definitely feel their influence in the southern society, But there is no repression against those who do not agree with HA Ideology. The beaches of Sour and other places around it are full of nightclubs, and Bars that are serving alcohols 24/7. Young people are dancing the night away all night long without any interference By HA or any religious authority.
    Political debates and disagreement are widespread among the shiia community all the time. It’s the resistance and the sectarian divide that are helping HA keep majority of Shiia on its side, even those who do not agree with HA ideology at all.
    2-The importance (or lack of) of Wilayat Al Faqieh to Hezbollah,and to shiia in general.
    One should not view the concept of Islam as seen by the Shiia sect ,ONLY, in the contest of Wilayat Al Faqieh. This concept is always in the spotlights because it is supported officially by Iran. Undoubtedly, it is being used, as another scare tactic, for political and sectarian reasons.
    The concept of Wilayat Al Faqieh has created big debate among Shiia scholars inside and outside of Iran, including Lebanon and Iraq. Many people, including a big number of Iran’s most influential clerics and scholars, who support an Islamic state, do not support the concept of Wilayat Al Faqieh.
    Iran’s opposition, though mostly support an Islamic state, reject the absolute power of the Faqieh. Iran can apply this concept as long as they have enough support for it, which, as of now, they still do.
    The idea that HA would impose Wilayat Al Faqieh on Lebanese is unrealistic for many reasons. The fear is not justified because; there is no realistic condition that would allow this concept to be implemented in Lebanon.
    The greatest majority of HA followers, and supporters in Lebanon, do not believe in the concept of wiliat AL Faqieh, and won’t supported it. HA can not, and will not be able to force Wilayat Al Faqieh on Lebanon, because they can’t force it on their fellow Shiia. Any one, who doubts that, is someone who does not understand the Lebanese Shiaa mentality.
    The Shiia of Lebanon are different historically, culturally, and intellectually from the Iranians.
    Lebanese Shiia are as Arba as the Twelve Imams they have followed for 1400 years. Those Arab Imams are the inspirations for Iranian Shiia, who historically resented Arabs.
    HA Swims in a supportive environment, and would easily suffocate if this environment is to be forced into something as important as this.
    HA belief in Wilayt Al Faqieh is nothing but a theological belief. Most shiia in Lebanon do not fear this concept, nor should you. The day Lebanon is more than 90 % Shiia (which will never, and should never be) is the day one can worry about wilayat Al Faqieh being on Lebanon, or on the shiia of Lebanon.

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      Ghassankaram

      The problem wthat I am concerned about when it comes to Wilayat Al Faqih is not related to whether Hezbollah will be able to impose it in Lebanon. Maybe they cannot at the moment but just the mere fact that they believe in it is very authoritarian and undemocratic. I hope that you are not suggesting that we should not oppose Nazi groups on the ground that they have very little membership and so they pose no danger. An idea is wrong/right irrespective of the ability of its adherents to impose it.
      I am glad to learn of what you say about the tolerance and I am willing to accept your account but yet I have to take into consideration all the other accounts that speak about HA’s inability to tolerate dissent and to act as a state within a state. How else would you explain its conviction that it has the right to start a war?

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        PROPHET.T

        Ghassan,Being as secular as I can be, I would have to disagree with your characterization of Wilayat Al Faqieh as an idea, that is as bad as the Nazi Idea. This definitely offends every shiia, whether they accepted Khaminai’s Wialt alafaqieh or not. Being secular does not allow you , or me to offend those who believe in a religious idea. You need to distinguish between what is Khaminai is claiming,and what the shiia believe in, as a concept.
        I doubt that you intended to offend any religion on purpose.
        I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt , until further explanation on this particular point. I attribute your mistake to a lack of knowledge of the concept of wilait alfaqieh , as it is originally understood by shiia belief.
        The concept of Wilayat Al Faqieh in itself, is not in dispute among Shiaa scholars as a concept, but the question of qualification of who can hold such authority is. Most scholors, including the late fadlalah, Sistani,Al khoei,Shamsedine, and the majority of Iranian scholars believe , that no one person ,regardless of how knowledgeable he is, can be holy enough to hold such authority, EXCEPT for the 11 Imams that preceded the prophet( according to Shiia belief) .That leaves the 12th Imam (Imam Almahdi) as the only qualified person to hold such title. So in reality no one is holy enough to be a supreme leader,with ultimate autority.
        To the surprise of many people, even Khomeini, didn’t fully exercise this authority. The only person to do what was Khaminai.
        To sumurize this for you, Only a devine person Like the 12 Imams( according to shiia belif) are qualified to excersise this ultimate authority.Khaminai (the only person) merged the title of marja’a taqleed, with the Supreme leader. Just because Khaminai is exercising an authority some believe He is not qualified to exercise, may not necessarily give you , or any one to describe this concept as a NAZI. Though I totally disagree with the concept ,and the way it is being abused, I would not call it a Nazi like idea.
        As for the 2006 war, I disagree that Kidnapping two soldiers is starting a war, Israel had kidnapped many Lebanese from across the border, and no one declared war on Israel. You and I know that Israeli leaders , publicly said that the 2006 war had been planned. I would say ,that HA abducrion of the two soldiers , gave Israel the excuse it was waiting for to conduct a war planned ahead of time with the knowledge of the Bush administration.You know enough , not to make such a wrong claim.Israelis have said enough about the planning of this war ,for everyone to realize the truth about this war.

  12. PROPHET.T Avatar
    PROPHET.T

    Ghassan K.

    In your response to NAGDELLA, I was struck by a few points you made:

    1- You “imagine in the world of Hezbollah these people who dare express a different idea than the Hezb are traitors and criminals with no rights.”

    Being a southerner who does not see eye to eye with the ideology of HA, I can say with confidence, that no Shiaa has ever been treated as you describe, just because they expressed different idea than HA. HA can not, and does not impose its views and ideology on other Shiia in Lebanon. They recruit, just like any other political organization in the Lebanon, people into their side all the time.

    I ‘d advice you to visit the south next time you visit Lebanon. You’d definitely feel their influence in the southern society, But there is no repression against those who do not agree with HA Ideology. The beaches of Sour and other places around it are full of nightclubs, and Bars that are serving alcohols 24/7. Young people are dancing the night away all night long without any interference By HA or any religious authority.

    Political debates and disagreement are widespread among the shiia community all the time. It’s the resistance and the sectarian divide that are helping HA keep majority of Shiia on its side, even those who do not agree with HA ideology at all.

    2-The importance (or lack of) of Wilayat Al Faqieh to Hezbollah,and to shiia in general.

    One should not view the concept of Islam as seen by the Shiia sect only, in the contest of Wilayat Al Faqieh. This concept is always in the spotlights because it is supported officially by Iran. Undoubtedly, it is being used, as another scare tactic, for political and sectarian reasons.

    The concept of Wilayat Al Faqieh has created big debate among Shiia scholars inside and outside of Iran, including Lebanon and Iraq. Many people, including a big number of Iran’s most influential clerics and scholars, who support an Islamic state, do not support the concept of Wilayat Al Faqieh.

    Iran’s opposition, though mostly support an Islamic state, reject the absolute power of the Faqieh. Iran can apply this concept as long as they have enough support for it, which, as of now, they still do.

    The idea that HA would impose Wilayat Al Faqieh on Lebanese is unrealistic for many reasons. The fear is not justified because; there is no realistic condition that would allow this concept to be implemented in Lebanon.

    The greatest majority of HA followers, and supporters in Lebanon, do not believe in the concept of wiliat AL Faqieh, and won’t supported it. HA can not, and will not be able to force Wilayat Al Faqieh on Lebanon, because they can’t force it on their fellow Shiia. Any one, who doubts that, is someone who does not understand the Lebanese Shiaa mentality.

    The Shiia of Lebanon are different historically, culturally, and intellectually from the Iranians.

    Lebanese Shiia are as Arba as the Twelve Imams they have followed for 1400 years. Those Arab Imams are the inspirations for Iranian Shiia, who historically resented Arabs.

    HA Swims in a supportive environment, and would easily suffocate if this environment is to be forced into something as important as this.

    HA belief in Wilayt Al Faqieh is nothing but a theological belief. Most shiia in Lebanon do not fear this concept, nor should you. The day Lebanon is more than 90 % Shiia (which will never, and should never be) is the day one can worry about wilayat Al Faqieh being .

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      Anonymous

      The problem wthat I am concerned about when it comes to Wilayat Al Faqih is not related to whether Hezbollah will be able to impose it in Lebanon. Maybe they cannot at the moment but just the mere fact that they believe in it is very authoritarian and undemocratic. I hope that you are not suggesting that we should not oppose Nazi groups on the ground that they have very little membership and so they pose no danger. An idea is wrong/right irrespective of the ability of its adherents to impose it.
      I am glad to learn of what you say about the tolerance and I am willing to accept your account but yet I have to take into consideration all the other accounts that speak about HA’s inability to tolerate dissent and to act as a state within a state. How else would you explain its conviction that it has the right to start a war?

      1. PROPHET.T Avatar
        PROPHET.T

        Ghassan,

        Being as secular as I can be, I would have to disagree with your characterization of Wilayat Al Faqieh as an idea that is as bad as the Nazi Idea. This definitely offends every shiia, whether they accepted Khaminai’s Wialt alafaqieh or not. Being secular does not allow you or me to offend those who believe in a religious idea. You need to distinguish between what is Khaminai is claiming,and what the shiia believe in as a concept.

        I doubt that you intended to offend any religion onm purpose.

        I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt until further explanation on that particular point.I attribute your mistake to a lack of knowledge of the concept of wilait alfaqieh as it is originally understood by shiia belief.

        The concept of Wilayat Al Faqieh itself is not in dispute among Shiaa scholars as a concept, but the question of qualification of who can hold such authority is. Most scholors, including the late fadlalah, Sistani,Al khoei,Shamsedine, and the majority of Iranian scholars believe that No one person ,regardless of how knowledgeable he is, can be holy enough to hold such authority, EXCEPT for the 11 Imams that preceded the prophet( according to Shiia belief) .That leaves the 12th Imam (Imam Almahdi) as the only qualified person to hold such title. So in reality No one is holy enough to be a supreme leader.

        To the surprise of many people, even Khomeini, didn’t fully exercise this authority. The only person to do what was Khaminai.

        To sumurize this for you, Only a devine person Like the 12 Imams( according to shiia belif) are qualified to excersise this ultimate authority.

        Khaminai (the only person) merged the title of marja’a taqleed, with the Supreme leader.

        J ust because Khaminai is exercising an authority some believe He is not qualified to exercise, may not necessarily give you or any one to describe this concept as a NAZI. Though I totally disagree with the concept and the way it is being abused, I would not call it a Nazi like idea.

        As for the 2006 war, I DISAGREE that Kidnapping two soldiers is starting a war, Israel had kidnapped many Lebanese from across the border, and no one declared war. You and I know that Israeli leaders , publicly said that the 2006 war had been planned. I would say HA gave Israel an excuse.

  13. Cathy80 Avatar
    Cathy80

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X4TuPfvSPA very interesting about a synagogue reborn in beirut directly from CNN. thought I would share

    1. PROPHET.T Avatar
      PROPHET.T

      Welcome back Cathy.

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      PROPHET.T

      Welcome back Cathy.

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    Anonymous

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X4TuPfvSPA very interesting about a synagogue reborn in beirut directly from CNN. thought I would share

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      PROPHET.T

      Welcome back Cathy.

  15. ghaddad Avatar
    ghaddad

    Nagdella Sorry to say Israel will not be defeated no matter how powerful hezbollah has become. I am not with all honesty siding with Israel no matter what are you thinking here. I am pointing any accusations its hezbollah who’s pointing the allegations back to them. Otherwise why are they going around stating that the STIL will be indicting them? They’re the ones for God’s sake who are saying it 24 hrs a day. Also why is all the leadership of Hezbollah going around threatening bloodshed if accused? why do you want to kill Lebanese because the high court is accusing you? You guys want us to cheer you on after all these threats of war and threats of Civil strife? Just because you’re Lebanese that don’t give you the right to rule lebanon as you please because you fought wars with Israel. Then my question to you did you fight the war to attain more leverage in everything in Lebanon? is that what’s all about? because really that’s what it been sounding like. The way you guys acted when protecting a criminal like Jamil AL Syyed who tortured and caused many death because of his ties with Syria. The way the thugs roamed Beirut streets and Airport to show everyone that they can protect any person they please and dare the gov’t to arrest him? do you really want me to choose anymore between you and israel. The way you people are acting is no different than the Israelis. There is nothing pleases me then to you, Israel, Syria, Iran and all these extremists groups get either wiped out or weakened and destroyed if that’s what it takes to leave in peace. Because having all these groups in and around Lebanon. Then we can never be at peace. Please take your wars somewhere else. we do not wish to fight israel because it has issues with Iran or vice versa. Syria makes peace gesture to Israel everyday. But some of you calls the Geagea and Gemyal traitors for befriending the Jewish state. Why is it Halal for Syria but not for Christians? After all Syria killed thousands of Lebanese from all sects and it had no mercy. Why do you people are befriending Syria whom has been nothing but an enemy of lebanon as much as israel? Do not tell me oh yes i have been critical of Syria like prophet does. Because i hardly ever see it here and if you say it i won’t even believe you because you don’t mean it. You can admit the facts that Syria destroyed Lebanon as much as Israel has. Syria occupied Lebanon more than Israel has.. Syria destroyed everything in Lebanon for 30 yrs and still doing it. now we have Iran who considers us as their front for israel. if you’re proud of it, please take this Front and put it in Syria and maybe you and these Syrian cowards can fight for a change. Just because you bought many non-shiites lands and properties and you become the majority in the South. that does not give you right to make it front for Iran damn it.

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    Nagdella Sorry to say Israel will not be defeated no matter how powerful hezbollah has become. I am not with all honesty siding with Israel no matter what are you thinking here. I am pointing any accusations its hezbollah who’s pointing the allegations back to them. Otherwise why are they going around stating that the STIL will be indicting them? They’re the ones for God’s sake who are saying it 24 hrs a day. Also why is all the leadership of Hezbollah going around threatening bloodshed if accused? why do you want to kill Lebanese because the high court is accusing you? You guys want us to cheer you on after all these threats of war and threats of Civil strife? Just because you’re Lebanese that don’t give you the right to rule lebanon as you please because you fought wars with Israel. Then my question to you did you fight the war to attain more leverage in everything in Lebanon? is that what’s all about? because really that’s what it been sounding like. The way you guys acted when protecting a criminal like Jamil AL Syyed who tortured and caused many death because of his ties with Syria. The way the thugs roamed Beirut streets and Airport to show everyone that they can protect any person they please and dare the gov’t to arrest him? do you really want me to choose anymore between you and israel. The way you people are acting is no different than the Israelis. There is nothing pleases me then to you, Israel, Syria, Iran and all these extremists groups get either wiped out or weakened and destroyed if that’s what it takes to leave in peace. Because having all these groups in and around Lebanon. Then we can never be at peace. Please take your wars somewhere else. we do not wish to fight israel because it has issues with Iran or vice versa. Syria makes peace gesture to Israel everyday. But some of you calls the Geagea and Gemyal traitors for befriending the Jewish state. Why is it Halal for Syria but not for Christians? After all Syria killed thousands of Lebanese from all sects and it had no mercy. Why do you people are befriending Syria whom has been nothing but an enemy of lebanon as much as israel? Do not tell me oh yes i have been critical of Syria like prophet does. Because i hardly ever see it here and if you say it i won’t even believe you because you don’t mean it. You can admit the facts that Syria destroyed Lebanon as much as Israel has. Syria occupied Lebanon more than Israel has.. Syria destroyed everything in Lebanon for 30 yrs and still doing it. now we have Iran who considers us as their front for israel. if you’re proud of it, please take this Front and put it in Syria and maybe you and these Syrian cowards can fight for a change. Just because you bought many non-shiites lands and properties and you become the majority in the South. that does not give you right to make it front for Iran damn it.

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