US Christian, Jewish leaders condemn planned Quran burning

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Christians, Jews and others, from around the world are rightfully condemning a non-denominational Florida church’s plan to burn Qurans on the upcoming anniversary of 9/11.

It difficult to see how such an aggressive assault on someone else’s religion conforms to Jesus’ command to “Do unto to others as you would have others do unto you.”

It’s also an ironic demonstration of how peaceful Muslims must feel when crazy people perform heinous acts in the name of their religion. These Quran burners certainly don’t represent ordinary peaceful Christians any more than the 9/11 murderers represent ordinary peaceful Muslims.

Thankfully, Catholic and Protestant leaders are coming together from as far away as Mumbai, India to oppose the event. Speaking at the gathering, Cardinal Oswald Gracias, the Catholic archbishop of Mumbai, said “I stand with my Muslim brethren on (condemning) this unfortunate incident.”

Regarding the group planning the book burning, he pointed out “They are the fringe elements with only 200 members in America, who declared this fanatic idea and the whole Christian world is against his call.”

Condemnations were also heard back in the U.S. At an interfaith symposium of the Baitus Samee Mosque near Houston, Rabbi Jonathan Siger told an audience that included Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and Zaroastrians that “The Jews, particularly, are very familiar with book burnings,” adding “First they burn books, then they burn people.”

Others coming out against the Florida church’s plan include the controversial talk show host and prominent Mormon Glenn Beck who put out a statement saying “It’s just like the Ground Zero mosque plan. Does this church have the right? Yes. Should they? No. And not because of the potential backlash or violence. Simply because it is wrong.”

He added “Burning the Koran is like burning the flag or the Bible. You can do it, but whose heart will you change by doing it? You will only harden the hearts of those who could be moved. None of those who are thinking about killing us will be affected, but our good Muslim friends and neighbors will be saddened. It makes the battle that they face inside their own communities even harder.”

Whether agreeing with the wisdom of building an Islamic cultural center on the site where a landing gear from one of the planes used in the World Trade Center attack landed or not (I think it’s unwise), people of goodwill from across religious and political divides know in their hearts that such such a spiteful assault as the one planned for this Saturday is just plain wrong. belief net

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314 responses to “US Christian, Jewish leaders condemn planned Quran burning”

  1. If you do burn the Koran then the perpetrators of 9/11 won!

    Really Shameful!

    1. With all respect they are entitled to burn the Koran if they want too, in USA you can burn the flag of the country which is more of a big deal as USA has no religion,I am not a religious man but the moslem they shoul stop threatening ,they are free to burn it as many website and U tube is full of moslem swearing on anything ChrsitiansAl Kaida is not made of Hindu or Budhist , it is made from Moslem that were funded b Saudi Sheikhs that to this hour name the Christian as kouffar, al Kaida killed 3000 innocent in building, and some christians in the uSA view the moslem as an evil religion as the moslem al kaida train on shooting the cross in their camps. Al Zerkawi beheaded a man live on TV , he was moslem fanatic and no moslem leader denounced him and said that he did evil, same there was no denouncing of Sept 11 fro shikhs saying that the killers were not moslems and who ever told them that they will have 70 frsh virgins is Satan and not moslem , did you hear that?.The fact remains that since the PLO started kidnapping planes in 1969 , the PLO, AMAL,Al Kaida,Moslem tERRORIST chose this means of transportation to terrorize innocent travelers and until now, using innocent and use them as shield is a coward act and that is satanic , and the one who carried the attacks had Korans beside them because they were told by religious moslem fanatic leaders who studied the Koran very well that they will have 70 or whatever virgins after , did any religious moslem leader came up and said that there is no 70 virgins for the one who kill himself and that is work of evil? name one , at the contrary the Sheikhs in England and Saudi Arabia were praising sept 11 evil doers,also why saudi Arabia doesnt allow a church for the foreign christian worker ? but hey at?they want to build mosque in New York, I think the church should go ahead and express themselves and burn the koran or the bible whatever they like , they are christians and Jesus will judge them not the moslems. The day we hear a religious figure saying that Sept 11 and Zarkawi are not moslem and they were following Satan we will believe that the Moslem religion doesn’t endorse terrorism, but so far I am afraid to be on the plane because of the moslem terrorist and actually they call themselves fatah al Islam , AL Kaida, al Moujahidoun etc…. so America righteous and politically correct hypocrites and all other in the world express yourself truly,stop crying and just watch the fire , at least the fire of the Koran is not killing 3000 innocent burning in building falling on them, and people jumping from 200 meteres , and a moslem in Egypt and Gaza and Beirut and Algeria and Saudi Arabia cheering for the view, we saw that and it is not a dream !!!!! we saw the beheading of the innocent man in front of TV and the one doing it saying “Allah wa Akabar” true , if this is Islam it is Satanic , because no budhist or person from the mao mao will behead an innoncent on TV ,Shame on the islamic world !!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        I mean at this point you might as well have started your comment with “with all due disrespect”. You are generalizing, and there are a million instances that million scholars and sheikhs denounced terrorism and 9-11, and a million theories on how 911 happened an why al qaeda exists with the help of the usa. . With all due DISRESPECT to you, your whole comment is garbage. And i won’t even dissect it and defend everything you said, because u are just filled with venom and hate.

      2. guss you are wrong and that churc making a big mistake although i am christian but also we have to be fair america is all about justice and freedom for all and we are a nation of laws that means we only punish the guilty and whoever attacked us on 911 is a phanatic group called alqueda it was not the entire islamic world so we need to find those group and bring them to justice where ever they are and just to your knowledge alqueda also attack and kill other muslims because they are moderate and that church really want to help they should hold teaching cession to educate all american about the real threat and danger of alqueda

        to the american people and that will serve america better than burning the quran

      3. I won’t answer that but I will let the ratings show how wrong you are.

      4. I won’t answer that but I will let the ratings show how wrong you are.

      5. Jean Haddad Avatar
        Jean Haddad

        I was wondering what courage you have to generalize 9/11 attack is muslims against Christians.

        You cannot mess with a symbol of a religion. The American has many American terrorist cell which killed American so do we go and ask the American to burn the bible. Why they don’t burn al Qaeda flag? Why don’t you burn bin laden picture? There aee enough muslims around the world and especially in the US which they aee against terrorism so what abku those we try to make them really believe in al qaeda that we as christians are barbarian. Cime on man what are you made of? wheres the logic? You should feel awful and ashamed by posting and the funny part you were trying to justify their act. I am sure you aee one of the 200 people where you burn people. Pls change your nationality and never mention you are Lebanese. Despite how much i hate HA but is still much better than you. You should read your post when you arrive to beirut airport and burn the Quran. But I know you talk big but at the end you aee just worst and cheap as chicken . You change your name to Guess not Guss as u r still guessing why u exist. U r not human

      6. Jean Haddad Avatar
        Jean Haddad

        I was wondering what courage you have to generalize 9/11 attack is muslims against Christians.

        You cannot mess with a symbol of a religion. The American has many American terrorist cell which killed American so do we go and ask the American to burn the bible. Why they don’t burn al Qaeda flag? Why don’t you burn bin laden picture? There aee enough muslims around the world and especially in the US which they aee against terrorism so what abku those we try to make them really believe in al qaeda that we as christians are barbarian. Cime on man what are you made of? wheres the logic? You should feel awful and ashamed by posting and the funny part you were trying to justify their act. I am sure you aee one of the 200 people where you burn people. Pls change your nationality and never mention you are Lebanese. Despite how much i hate HA but is still much better than you. You should read your post when you arrive to beirut airport and burn the Quran. But I know you talk big but at the end you aee just worst and cheap as chicken . You change your name to Guess not Guss as u r still guessing why u exist. U r not human

    2. I AGRRE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT

      1. you can’t mess with the symbol of religion, what Iran is doing with Christ movie, depciting the Chrsit as th Moselm see it, give the same right to Chrsitian to portray the prohet as theys ee it too, burning the Koran is a statement that people view the Koran as a Satanic religion, they have full right to express their view as the same in Saudi Arabia on 60 minutes call the Chrsitians Keffar, are you allowed to hold the bible in your hand in Saudi Arabia and walk on the street, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,but can walk with the Koran anywhere in Europe, is about time to the Moslem world to learn tolerance and growp from their so called the best religion ever that go give !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      2. you can’t mess with the symbol of religion, what Iran is doing with Christ movie, depciting the Chrsit as th Moselm see it, give the same right to Chrsitian to portray the prohet as theys ee it too, burning the Koran is a statement that people view the Koran as a Satanic religion, they have full right to express their view as the same in Saudi Arabia on 60 minutes call the Chrsitians Keffar, are you allowed to hold the bible in your hand in Saudi Arabia and walk on the street, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,but can walk with the Koran anywhere in Europe, is about time to the Moslem world to learn tolerance and growp from their so called the best religion ever that go give !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      3. Guss

        We stopped it from airing in lebanon didn’t we? That is a start.

        COMMUNICATE!

      4. Guss

        We stopped it from airing in lebanon didn’t we? That is a start.

        COMMUNICATE!

      5. Jean Haddad at least my name is Guss and not a moslem like you hiding under a name of Jean Haddad, and the moselms did Sep 11 , not the bhusist, they are the they were taught by religious figures in Mosques in germany and Egypt and England , Jarrah was the Lebanses pilot of flight 93 and suddenely after going to the mosque in Germany he became a terrorist , with all respect all the history proves that Islam is never a peaceful relgion, in 1860 ,20,000 christians died in Chouf , Druze are a sect of Islam, and in Damascus in 1860 10,000 christians were salughtered like sheeps at the hand of moslems , and many in Damascus went to hide in the mosque that Abd al kader Jasaeriri offerd them protection and after the massacre, the Jazaeri asked for forgiveness from god as he protected the so called “keffar” he played political from fear of moselm in damascus, 20,0000 and 10,000 can tbe killed by a bunch of fanatics , it was thousand of assassins at that time , read history buddy because you are just an emotional ignorant person !!! who never opened a book most likely . I am Lebanese , you tell me you call yourself Lebanses yes I am but what the big deal about bein Lebanese , we are such peaceful nation that all religion coexist in peace ? we are the light of the world with a war we cant finsih, we are the slaves of Syria, Iran and so on , so what the big deal , stop fooling yourself , 35 years and we still killing each other , the moselm will not rest until all christian leave or we become an insignificant minority, just look at the Arab world how many Christians left .

    3. I AGRRE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT

    4. I AGREE WITH WALID KHOURI 100 PERCENT

      1. WELL SAID WALID KHOURI

      2. WELL SAID WALID KHOURI

      3. i guess you are totally blind or I don’t know you affiliation, or you must have full hate to west my guess , but none of you dare to comment why a christian have no right to hold a bible in Saudi arabia and why in the Danemark the cartoon of the prophet made s out roar that some moslem Lebanse ganag went to ahrafieh holding knives and want to burn a church, and why 15000000 copts thwy have no MP or a minister to represent them , and why when a Church is burned in Pakistan with the people in it didn’t trigger the Christian worl to go and burn mosque, could a man between you if you qualify to be a man dare to answer me , could you answer why 7 doctors and nurses and aid worker weer slaughtered by knives 5 weeks ago in the excuse that they were preaching Christianity while in fact they weer aid workers . If you are blind or coward just say it,if you are moslem hiding in christian names you are a coward and hypocrite not answer me, why no moslem religious leader came on TB and denied that there is no 70 virgins if you commit suicide, could any one show me a scholar moslem who denied that.!!!!! you are a joke in this forum not real people you are fake!!!!!!!!!!!

      4. i guess you are totally blind or I don’t know you affiliation, or you must have full hate to west my guess , but none of you dare to comment why a christian have no right to hold a bible in Saudi arabia and why in the Danemark the cartoon of the prophet made s out roar that some moslem Lebanse ganag went to ahrafieh holding knives and want to burn a church, and why 15000000 copts thwy have no MP or a minister to represent them , and why when a Church is burned in Pakistan with the people in it didn’t trigger the Christian worl to go and burn mosque, could a man between you if you qualify to be a man dare to answer me , could you answer why 7 doctors and nurses and aid worker weer slaughtered by knives 5 weeks ago in the excuse that they were preaching Christianity while in fact they weer aid workers . If you are blind or coward just say it,if you are moslem hiding in christian names you are a coward and hypocrite not answer me, why no moslem religious leader came on TB and denied that there is no 70 virgins if you commit suicide, could any one show me a scholar moslem who denied that.!!!!! you are a joke in this forum not real people you are fake!!!!!!!!!!!

      5. Jesus won his followers by spreading a message of peace.

        Do you think the crusaders accomplished anything by using the sword? NO

        Christianity spread because of peace NOT the sword.

        Tell me of ONE moslem and HOW MUCH EXTREMIST he can be who would have dared throw a flower at Theresa of Calcutta YET shoes were thrown in the face of George Bush.

        So do you condemn an entire religion because of a few fanatics? and do you believe an eye for an eye works?

        Go ahead try it. Get yourself a plane and crash it in Mecca and let’s see if you would solve anything.

      6. Jesus won his followers by spreading a message of peace.

        Do you think the crusaders accomplished anything by using the sword? NO

        Christianity spread because of peace NOT the sword.

        Tell me of ONE moslem and HOW MUCH EXTREMIST he can be who would have dared throw a flower at Theresa of Calcutta YET shoes were thrown in the face of George Bush.

        So do you condemn an entire religion because of a few fanatics? and do you believe an eye for an eye works?

        Go ahead try it. Get yourself a plane and crash it in Mecca and let’s see if you would solve anything.

      7. Guss, everything you talked about is generalizing an entire religion for a few (estimates are about 3-5%) of fanatics?

        at those demonstrations against the cartoons, did you knwo that there were also very peaceful muslims who went to protest AGAINST the backlash it created (such as the burning of churches or the killing of nuns in africa) but no media covers that, and thus you only hear about fanatics and not their counter parts.

        Saudi arabia is saudi arabia, many muslims criticize it and dont agree with their regime and like Mustapha had mentionned, it is the royal family who is charge and the people dont get to elect anyone so you cant say the govt is representative of its people…. PLUS you seem to forget that 99% of its population is muslim sunni so its not like there are saudi christians who are denied their rights.

        why dont you talk about the other arab countries where christians do get to practice freely their religion, or at least used to before the US butted in (iraq, iran, syria, and even egypt)

        those aid workers you’re talking about were killed by the TALIBANS you compare fellow muslim lebanese like prophet and mustapha to those retarded barbaric, living in the stone age people? really? generalizing much?

        Guss this pastor is acting the same way that muslim extremists would so how is he any better?

        when they wanted to burn a church in ashrafieh, muslim clerics came out and called for restraint and condemned it, so sure there are alwyas gonna be nuts in every religion but that doesnt mean that they are like that…

        and in my opinion that danish cartoonist acted like a moron because this is not freedom of speech when you insult someone else’s religion. How come in europe, holocaust denial is a crime whereas armenian genocide denial is acceptable?

        how come when Iran publishes cartoons about jews with the stereotyping (hooked noses, love for money, etc) the whole world calls them anti-semites. what about freedom of speech mr.Guss?

      8. Guss, everything you talked about is generalizing an entire religion for a few (estimates are about 3-5%) of fanatics?

        at those demonstrations against the cartoons, did you knwo that there were also very peaceful muslims who went to protest AGAINST the backlash it created (such as the burning of churches or the killing of nuns in africa) but no media covers that, and thus you only hear about fanatics and not their counter parts.

        Saudi arabia is saudi arabia, many muslims criticize it and dont agree with their regime and like Mustapha had mentionned, it is the royal family who is charge and the people dont get to elect anyone so you cant say the govt is representative of its people…. PLUS you seem to forget that 99% of its population is muslim sunni so its not like there are saudi christians who are denied their rights.

        why dont you talk about the other arab countries where christians do get to practice freely their religion, or at least used to before the US butted in (iraq, iran, syria, and even egypt)

        those aid workers you’re talking about were killed by the TALIBANS you compare fellow muslim lebanese like prophet and mustapha to those retarded barbaric, living in the stone age people? really? generalizing much?

        Guss this pastor is acting the same way that muslim extremists would so how is he any better?

        when they wanted to burn a church in ashrafieh, muslim clerics came out and called for restraint and condemned it, so sure there are alwyas gonna be nuts in every religion but that doesnt mean that they are like that…

        and in my opinion that danish cartoonist acted like a moron because this is not freedom of speech when you insult someone else’s religion. How come in europe, holocaust denial is a crime whereas armenian genocide denial is acceptable?

        how come when Iran publishes cartoons about jews with the stereotyping (hooked noses, love for money, etc) the whole world calls them anti-semites. what about freedom of speech mr.Guss?

      9. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        YESLAM TIMMAK CATHY!

        I DONT THINK YOU HAVE EVER POSTED A COMMENT THAT I DONT AGREE WITH.

      10. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        YESLAM TIMMAK CATHY!

        I DONT THINK YOU HAVE EVER POSTED A COMMENT THAT I DONT AGREE WITH.

      11. moustapha Avatar

        Well said Walid! the wars that took place in any religious out spread were only set backs to those religions and it is what you call the “3ishra” and interactions between the people who practiced the basics that made people adopt those religions. Cause in the end they all preach basically the same thing. Oh by the way, I answered your question earlier but it seems like my comments are always put in a process of moderation lol!

        Cathy, I am honored to be quoted or cited by you =D And what you said really if this person has one spec of decency and intellectuality he would logically analyze your statements and reassess his stances. Especially if he is a true Christian. Then again who am I to judge.

        Peace

      12. moustapha Avatar

        Well said Walid! the wars that took place in any religious out spread were only set backs to those religions and it is what you call the “3ishra” and interactions between the people who practiced the basics that made people adopt those religions. Cause in the end they all preach basically the same thing. Oh by the way, I answered your question earlier but it seems like my comments are always put in a process of moderation lol!

        Cathy, I am honored to be quoted or cited by you =D And what you said really if this person has one spec of decency and intellectuality he would logically analyze your statements and reassess his stances. Especially if he is a true Christian. Then again who am I to judge.

        Peace

      13. I think you are not capable of logic thinking , you cant even answer the simple questions, why Christians cant have bible in saudi arabia. I dont crash anything we know all well who crash things and kill innocent , you are capble of answering because you have a hidden agenda ,and full of hate to the west.Taliban killed 7 aids worker by accusing them of preaching christianity,mm, didnt the saudis support the Taliban ? are the taliban bugdhist ?the aid worker werent preachign anything this was their bible

        you are playing idiot and running from the truth

      14. I think you are not capable of logic thinking , you cant even answer the simple questions, why Christians cant have bible in saudi arabia. I dont crash anything we know all well who crash things and kill innocent , you are capble of answering because you have a hidden agenda ,and full of hate to the west.Taliban killed 7 aids worker by accusing them of preaching christianity,mm, didnt the saudis support the Taliban ? are the taliban bugdhist ?the aid worker werent preachign anything this was their bible

        you are playing idiot and running from the truth

      15. moustapha Avatar

        The Taliban are an extremist group that If It was in my power I would do everyone in this world a favor and execute them.

        Christians can’t have bible in Saudi because Saudi is ruled by a dirty, money thriving royal family that works with any government even Israel for the sake of their pockets benefit and regional power.

        Christians can’t hold the bible in Saudi because the ruling leaders don’t want to educate their people. They feed them one sided opinions of Islam and many cultural and traditional falsies so that when the Kid grows up he/she doesn’t have anything on his mind but to do everything he was forced not to do.. as apposed to bettering him/her self by studying all the books of the world and on top of them all the Bible. Cause if the people of Saudi become educated.. there is no way on earth they are going to shut up to their self picked rulers.

        That my friend is why Christians can’t hold a bible in Saudi. It is wrong and MANY MANY Muslims follow the teachings of our prophet who i am sure you wont hesitate to disrespect which is:

        “itlobo il 3ilm walaw fil seen” which means “search for knowledge even if you have to go to China” and to go to china 1400 years ago was not a matter of 1000 bucks and your there in a few hours.

        GUSS… fi2 min wahmak.

      16. moustapha Avatar

        The Taliban are an extremist group that If It was in my power I would do everyone in this world a favor and execute them.

        Christians can’t have bible in Saudi because Saudi is ruled by a dirty, money thriving royal family that works with any government even Israel for the sake of their pockets benefit and regional power.

        Christians can’t hold the bible in Saudi because the ruling leaders don’t want to educate their people. They feed them one sided opinions of Islam and many cultural and traditional falsies so that when the Kid grows up he/she doesn’t have anything on his mind but to do everything he was forced not to do.. as apposed to bettering him/her self by studying all the books of the world and on top of them all the Bible. Cause if the people of Saudi become educated.. there is no way on earth they are going to shut up to their self picked rulers.

        That my friend is why Christians can’t hold a bible in Saudi. It is wrong and MANY MANY Muslims follow the teachings of our prophet who i am sure you wont hesitate to disrespect which is:

        “itlobo il 3ilm walaw fil seen” which means “search for knowledge even if you have to go to China” and to go to china 1400 years ago was not a matter of 1000 bucks and your there in a few hours.

        GUSS… fi2 min wahmak.

      17. HABIBI MUSTAPHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA,I DIDN’T SEE YOU SNEEK IN!!!!!YOUR JNUBI BROTHER NEEDS HERE,LOL

      18. HABIBI MUSTAPHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA,I DIDN’T SEE YOU SNEEK IN!!!!!YOUR JNUBI BROTHER NEEDS HERE,LOL

      19. moustapha Avatar

        LOL! hahahahha… i must of lost a pound for the swiftness of my entry into the realm of ya libnan in the guidance of our PROPHET hahahahha…

        Khayeh, hope your doing well.

      20. moustapha Avatar

        LOL! hahahahha… i must of lost a pound for the swiftness of my entry into the realm of ya libnan in the guidance of our PROPHET hahahahha…

        Khayeh, hope your doing well.

      21. Mustaphaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

        I FOUND A NEW WAY TO LOOSE WEIGHT; DEABTE WITH GEAORGE HADAD, NOT ONLY WOULD GUARANTY YOU LOOSE WIEGHT, BUT YOU GET A BOUNUS OF HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND GREY HAIR,LOL

      22. Mustaphaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

        I FOUND A NEW WAY TO LOOSE WEIGHT; DEABTE WITH GEAORGE HADAD, NOT ONLY WOULD GUARANTY YOU LOOSE WIEGHT, BUT YOU GET A BOUNUS OF HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE AND GREY HAIR,LOL

      23. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        And guss, its spelled Denmark, MORON.

      24. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        And guss, its spelled Denmark, MORON.

      25. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Guss are you and Joey related? Brothers seperated at birth?

      26. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Guss are you and Joey related? Brothers seperated at birth?

    5. I AGREE WITH WALID KHOURI 100 PERCENT

  2. This guy looks like a right wing extremists. He’s not christian and there is nothing in his words follow the christian path of salvation. He’s no different than Al Qaada for God’s Sake. Al Qaada breeds and feeds on this type of actions and it will burn both sides. no need to do this stupid and unethical acts. Burning the QUran should be stopped by the local police and not be allowed period.

    1. do not throw words ,I am not fanatical, people should not consider the feeling of the moslems, not all people think that the moslem religion is peaceful and they are entitle to it, it is up to the moslem to show the world that their religion is about peace as they claim evrytime a terrorist act happens, but the facts remains that the ladies and men were dancing in the street ofe gypt fom happiness and in Gaza and Beirut when Sep 11 happened ,you can’t deny that, it is not up to me to study the Islam it is up to the islam to show that they dont endorse terrorism. If some people have or made thei opinion that it is a Violent religion , let them prove the opposite, Zerakwai was saying Alla wa Akkbar on TV, did any Chikh said that he will rotten in hell, no? because sheiks are afraid and it suit them to promote hate against Christians, look at the Christians Iraqis raped ,killed,Priests are being requested to give 10000 weekly or church will be burned , the truth must be revealed , and I think it is an Hypocrisy to ask to build a mosque in NY when Sep 11 guys were brain washed in Mosques in Germany and England and Saudi Arabia and Egypt, can a moslem go public and say bin Laden is a “Kafer” .

      Dont tell me am fanatic just answer the sentences I wrote and dont play game with me and run to the front , i wasn’t born today, you are a hypocrite if you dont allow people to express what they think!!!!it is America and not Saudi Arabia ,peopel burn flags ,bible , koran , god will judge not a Sheikh or Imam or pope.

      1. moustapha Avatar

        what happened to Jesus’s teachings.

        -Compassion

        -forgiveness

        -If your enemy hits you on one cheek you turn to give him the other

        A Muslim like me is not Christian obviously, but I am closer to being one more then you would ever wish to be.

        Please go join your friends Alkaeda they need you and the likes of you more then ever.

      2. thats true why dont christians get there rights in the arab countrys when we give muslims all their rights in christians countries to practice their religion?? we always back up our muslim brothers when their being hated or discriminated why is it that you cant retur the favour? the only reason why lebanese christians still have their rights and the only country in arab to be run by a christian is because fought for it with their life!

        how would muslims like it if we treated you the same as the christians are treated in arab world?

    2. most of the Christians in Midlle east left and you still talking tolerance and stupidity,why they left , from the tolerance of the moslem religion? 15,000,000 copt in Egypt they dont have a minister in the goverment, you think the Christian Lebanses will remain forever ? go educate yourself, and talk the truth as the Chrsit taught you , and stop playing and pleasingn am not hater of moslem but that the truth !!! read about the byzantine pope in Turkey ,he’s is surrounded by siege to protect him from moslem attack,there is 5000 left Orthodox left right in Istanbul, ,it is used to be the University to educate all priests in region from the Byzantine rite, currently Turkey will not allow the doors to open or access to the books , and many attempt of killing was committed on the ope here

      1. Yes true true true true true true true true, your language is truthfully.

        Concretely speaking, that’s muslims dying.

      2. Well said Guss

      3. Well said Guss

      4. not to mention AYA Sofia which it was a Cathedral, now it’s a mosque.

      5. not to mention AYA Sofia which it was a Cathedral, now it’s a mosque.

    3. who are you to tell me I am not Christians, you are doing like the moslems and making me a Kafer , did you read the bible ” Do not judge” , you are a sinner and LIAR as any human being, I am not here to please you or to please the christians and I am not a peace maker , before peace be worked on the truth must be told , regardless of the feeling. Not every time a cartonn is depicting Mohaamad (Sallam) the world has to shake, many movies made the Christ a mocquery and the latest the Iranian series, did the Chrsitian world go banana and start killing and burning, just answer using your brain, I don’t need you to tell me I am Christian or not , especially that I don’t know who the hell you ARE

      1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Same goes for u guss, Did YOU not read the bible? YOU are judging muslims. Wow. Ur just out of ur freakin mind

      2. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Same goes for u guss, Did YOU not read the bible? YOU are judging muslims. Wow. Ur just out of ur freakin mind

      3. moustapha Avatar

        PROPHET!! BRO!! we have some people here, who are in need of some serious GUIDANCE!!! Do your magic hahaha…

        Fhimna ignorance is bliss… bess wallah the philly steak sandwich at bliss house is more preferable.

      4. moustapha Avatar

        PROPHET!! BRO!! we have some people here, who are in need of some serious GUIDANCE!!! Do your magic hahaha…

        Fhimna ignorance is bliss… bess wallah the philly steak sandwich at bliss house is more preferable.

      5. Yes Mustapha,

        I forgot who said this quote, but I’ll use it because it applies perfectly;

        “It is sometimes easier to head an institute for the study of child guidance than it is to turn one brat into a decent human being.”

        A good Philly steak sounds good. I have not had one of those in while.

        I just worry about all the calories that come with it. But I’ll cheat. lol

      6. Yes Mustapha,

        I forgot who said this quote, but I’ll use it because it applies perfectly;

        “It is sometimes easier to head an institute for the study of child guidance than it is to turn one brat into a decent human being.”

        A good Philly steak sounds good. I have not had one of those in while.

        I just worry about all the calories that come with it. But I’ll cheat. lol

      7. moustapha Avatar

        LOL! dude! i gained 10 pounds this last month.. cant wait to hit the park and gym with a combination of P90X!

        Gotta love it!

      8. moustapha Avatar

        LOL! dude! i gained 10 pounds this last month.. cant wait to hit the park and gym with a combination of P90X!

        Gotta love it!

      9. Yeah, You gained what I lost,lol

      10. Yeah, You gained what I lost,lol

      11. moustapha Avatar

        LOL!! i couldn’t help it, with work, school and fasting.. when i come back home to my wife’s cooking! WOW! couldn’t resist and by the time i’m done there is no way i’m getting a work out with a full stomach. I go into what you call a COmatos! hahaha..

      12. moustapha Avatar

        LOL!! i couldn’t help it, with work, school and fasting.. when i come back home to my wife’s cooking! WOW! couldn’t resist and by the time i’m done there is no way i’m getting a work out with a full stomach. I go into what you call a COmatos! hahaha..

      13. Where do you live Bro? You must be a kid to go to school, still.lol

      14. Where do you live Bro? You must be a kid to go to school, still.lol

      15. moustapha Avatar

        LOL a married kid working LOL! No no no.. my bad, i meant school as in University. Getting an MBA. I generalize all educational institutions as a school. I guess its wrong =P hehehe… yivda7areeshak

      16. Mish nakisna fadayeh.lol

        Good luck bro.

      17. Mish nakisna fadayeh.lol

        Good luck bro.

    4. I don’t care about your rating, I am not here to be praised,I am here for a message of Tolerance,and the moslem religion somehow think they are doing the Christians favor when they tolerate something. You didnt answer why 15,000,000 copt don’t have a minister, why in Turkey the Byzantine Pope can’t run the Priesthood school. In Qatar the state allowed one church there and I have relatives there , when they go to church on Sunday there is bystanders who swore at them and call them keffar , and Qatar state had complaint and didn’t do nothing , that’s fact ,fact, get your fact and don’t say many moslem opposed Sep 11 , send me an article from a mosleem religious leader condemning the attack instead of saying many opposed it, fact just dont bla bla about tolerance life is both ways,.not one way ticket

      1. it looks this site is full of peopel interested to hide the truth,no one dared to answer that 15000000 Copt in Egypt don’t have a minister to represent them, the truth that Saudi Arabia doesn’t allow any church to be build , the truth is most of the moslem population were cheering on the streets when Sep 11 happened, the truth is all the suicide bombers except 1 were Saudi pure moslems mosque goers

      2. it looks this site is full of peopel interested to hide the truth,no one dared to answer that 15000000 Copt in Egypt don’t have a minister to represent them, the truth that Saudi Arabia doesn’t allow any church to be build , the truth is most of the moslem population were cheering on the streets when Sep 11 happened, the truth is all the suicide bombers except 1 were Saudi pure moslems mosque goers

      3. Was Timothy McVeigh a Moslem mosque goer?

        In every nation, race and religion Guss you will find the good the bad and the ugly…

        Nobody is denying the fact that Saudi Arabia follows strict rule of Islam and does not allow Churches to be built. However, their population is pretty much 100% moslems and if they won’t build a church it is their loss. On the other hand, in Lebanon we are fighting for religious tolerance and acceptance and we are succeeding. The forces of evil are everywhere. There are hindu extremists who planned and assassinated Ghandi and so on…

        That being said, how responsible is it to antagonize the extremists really and the U.S. troops are stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you know how many nut cases are just waiting for that opportunity to blow themselves up killing innocent people and soldiers who are there just to collect a paycheck?

        The polls today showed that pretty much all Americans are against burning the Koran. That puts you in the minority, the same minority committing atrocities in the name of Allah. Jesus won his followers through a peace message. Think about that.

      4. Was Timothy McVeigh a Moslem mosque goer?

        In every nation, race and religion Guss you will find the good the bad and the ugly…

        Nobody is denying the fact that Saudi Arabia follows strict rule of Islam and does not allow Churches to be built. However, their population is pretty much 100% moslems and if they won’t build a church it is their loss. On the other hand, in Lebanon we are fighting for religious tolerance and acceptance and we are succeeding. The forces of evil are everywhere. There are hindu extremists who planned and assassinated Ghandi and so on…

        That being said, how responsible is it to antagonize the extremists really and the U.S. troops are stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan? Do you know how many nut cases are just waiting for that opportunity to blow themselves up killing innocent people and soldiers who are there just to collect a paycheck?

        The polls today showed that pretty much all Americans are against burning the Koran. That puts you in the minority, the same minority committing atrocities in the name of Allah. Jesus won his followers through a peace message. Think about that.

      5. moustapha Avatar

        Well how about i say:

        The Egyptian people don’t even choose their freakin government which is FAR FAR from islamic. It is a man who is westernized and has no fear of God and is sucking up every bit of money he can. So islam is not to blame.

        Saudi Arabia is an extreme country in which Islam is not applied since the people also don’t get to choose their leaders, and are oppressed just as much as any other person is. The ruling family act in ways that are completely against Islam and can not be considered islamic.

        Another thing to point out about Saudi Arabia is that they choose to be a single sect country. Legally ma 7adan ilon 3a layon. Just like the US claims to be for all religions ma 7adan ilon 3a layon.

        There are no Christian Saudis or Saudi’s of different confessions, yet this does a dis-justice to the Muslims since all the ignorance and negative generalizations are slapped on to all the muslims foreheads, since people like you look for anything negative to prove their own confession as better through faults of other people and purposely judge by the people and not by the content. Not to forget take every word possible out of context.

        The truth that most people were cheering is a lie. Its like people see pictures of hizzy men on the streets taking over Beirut, does that mean all the Muslims support the hizzy and are taking over Beirut? All scholars that have a presence in the media and have any weight on society, education or politics came out and went against it.. and to be fair EVEN the HIZZY condemned the attacks!!

        How about the fact that from those suicide bombers that were named they found them ALIVE in SAUDI? How about the fact that some douch bags who didnt even complete their certificate to fly a small personal plane are SUPPOSEDLY able to fly a 747 and accurately crash into a building! what utter bullshit! How about how they left all the evidence in car where conveniently outside of the airport! lol what a joke! I mean seriously any commoner can figure out that this whole event was completely staged. Every one is going to say conspiracy theory. What facts do you have. other then 2 planes hit the towers and some douchbag in Afghanistan sent a video claiming him and his group did it. And to top it off.. this guy was under the CIA payroll for a decade +.. give me a brake.

        Where as all the evidence proves that the whole scenario was made of lies. The pentagon was hit by a plane and yet there are no wing marks to prove the collision of a plane. The towers were proven to have been demolished as apposed to give in. Witnesses are not found citing the planes of the pentagon plane crash yet dozens of firemen heard explosions and saw them take off.

        So if your a mosque goer your sucuidal mania. Well how come the whole world is not in ruins of 1.5 biillion people have commited suicide by explosion. Give me a freaking brake.

      6. Walid. I have a request of you. I want your opinion of wialyat alfaqieh’s concept and, of the fear that George Hadad and other have.

        The fact that it’s a concept that does not have a wide support, and requires a set of conditions, that can never exist in a country like Lebanon.

        Realistically speaking, and away from political motivations, how justified is that fear, knowing the sectarian make up of Lebanon? Don’t you think that it’s being used as scare tactic by people don’t understand the concept of Wilayat Al Faqieh?

        I’d like your honest and objective opinion on this. Maybe we can shed some lights on this subject, so that those interested in real debate and knowledge could benefit. Thank you.

      7. Walid. I have a request of you. I want your opinion of wialyat alfaqieh’s concept and, of the fear that George Hadad and other have.

        The fact that it’s a concept that does not have a wide support, and requires a set of conditions, that can never exist in a country like Lebanon.

        Realistically speaking, and away from political motivations, how justified is that fear, knowing the sectarian make up of Lebanon? Don’t you think that it’s being used as scare tactic by people don’t understand the concept of Wilayat Al Faqieh?

        I’d like your honest and objective opinion on this. Maybe we can shed some lights on this subject, so that those interested in real debate and knowledge could benefit. Thank you.

      8. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        GUSS, YOU SAID YOU WANT AN ARTICLE FROM ONE MUSLIM LEADER? CHECK THIS SITE

        muhajabah.com

        and then check special focus: muslims condemn.

        has a whole bunch of articles of muslims condemning 911 and terrorism, hows that for a slap in the face?

        ya must feel pretty small now! go back and hide under that rock u ignorant s.o.b.

      9. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        GUSS, YOU SAID YOU WANT AN ARTICLE FROM ONE MUSLIM LEADER? CHECK THIS SITE

        muhajabah.com

        and then check special focus: muslims condemn.

        has a whole bunch of articles of muslims condemning 911 and terrorism, hows that for a slap in the face?

        ya must feel pretty small now! go back and hide under that rock u ignorant s.o.b.

      10. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        HERE GUSS

        JUST A COUPLE EXAMPLES, CANT BELIEVE I EVEN WASTE MY TIME REPLYING TO TRASH LIKE YOU BUT I JUST WANT U TO SEE HOW DUMB YOU ARE.

        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – 9/11/01

        U.S. MUSLIMS CONDEMN TERRORIST ATTACKS

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) – The American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC), today condemned the apparent terrorist attacks in New York and Washington and offered condolences to the families of those who were killed or injured.

        The AMPCC statement read in part:

        “American Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.”

        Leaders of the American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC) held a meeting in Washington, DC, on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to issue the following points related to the terrorist attacks:

        1) We assert unequivocal condemnation based on our religious values and our identity as American Muslims;

        2) We do not need to defend every maniacal incident emanating from the Muslim world or the Muslim community, just as other religious groups need not defend their extremists;

        3) We offer compassion to the victims and solidarity with all Americans in the face of danger;

        4) Notwithstanding the disbelief that anyone following the faith of Islam could commit such a heinous crime, we condemn the act regardless of the identity of the perpetrators;

        5) We deplore the irresponsible reporting that twists the realities and complexities of the Muslim world in order to project only anti-American sentiment during this disturbing period when we are all attempting to move beyond the state of mourning for the national tragedy;

        6) We warn against opportunists who will exploit the misery and hysteria of the public in order to promote a political agenda aimed at tarnishing the name of Islam and Muslims;

        7) We should not diminish our resolve to be active in protecting the civil liberties of all Americans and struggling for justice both locally and globally;

        8) We need to organize activities to help the victims medically, psychologically and in every other way we can.

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        American Muslim Alliance (AMA) Condemns Terrorist Attack

        (Newark, California: 9/11/01) The American Muslim Alliance, a national civic education organization, condemned today’s terrorist attacks in New York and Washington in the “strongest terms”.

        Dr. Agha Saeed, the national Chair of the American Muslim Alliance, Stated:

        “These attacks are against both divine and human laws and we condemn them in the strongest terms. The Muslim Americans join the nation in calling for swift apprehension and stiff punishment of the perpetrators, and offer our sympathies to the victims and their families.”

        Contact:Ph:(510) 872 – 8013 E-mail: ama@amaweb.org

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        AMC Deplores The Attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) The American Muslim Council (AMC) strongly condemns this morning’s plane attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and expresses deep sorrow for Americans that were injured and killed. AMC sends out its condolence to all victims of this cowardly terrorist attack. There is no cause that justifies this type of an immoral and inhumane act that has affected so many innocent American lives. AMC supports all efforts of the investigation in order to track down the people responsible for this tragic act of terrorism.

        The American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC) issued a statement which reads:

        “American Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No Political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.”

        The AMPCC consists of AMC, Council on American-Islamic Relations, American Muslim Alliance and Muslim Public Affairs Council.

        Donate Blood To Help The Innocent Victims

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) The American Muslim Council calls upon the members of the Muslim community to come together at this tragic time where so many of our fellow Americans have been killed and injured. This American tragedy affects all of us and we should do whatever we can do help save lives of the injured victims. AMC encourages Islamic Centers to start blood drive campaigns and encourages everyone to visit hospitals and medical centers in the capitol and New York City to donate much needed blood to those who are required to receive immediate medical assistance.

        AMC Seeks Assistance From Law Enforcement Agencies To Protect All Americans

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) The American Muslim Council (AMC) is urging all Muslims to come together in this time of tragedy. AMC today condemned the cowardly terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington and expressed its condolences to the families of innocent people killed. This horrific violent incident disturbs American Muslims.

        AMC wants all law enforcement officials to be cognizant of the fact that at times like these, there are some acts of violence perpetrated against Islamic Centers and Muslims of our communities. We are confident that authorities will protect all men, women and children. We hope to prevent the acts of violence directed towards Muslims and Islamic Centers. American Muslims experienced violent attacks and verbal harassment in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City Bombing when our fellow citizens rushed to judgment about the perpetrators of the crime. We urge our fellow Americans not to be quick to stereotype Muslims, who are also suffering at this traumatic time. We, like all Americans, want to feel secure and want to see the perpetrators brought to justice. Enough innocent lives have been killed today.

        Contact: Farkhunda Ali, Communications Director

        (202) 789-2262 ext. 205, farkhunda@amconline.org

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        American Muslims for Jerusalem Condemns the Terrorist Attacks

        (Washington, DC 9/11/01) – Joining the Muslim community around the country, the Washington based American Muslims for Jerusalem (AMJ) is appalled and strongly condemns the terrorist attacks in New York, Washington, and other parts of the country. AMJ sends out its deepest condolences to the families of the victims of these cowardly attacks.

        As Muslims we utterly deplore these heinous and barbaric acts and hope for the quick apprehension and swift applications of justice. We also urge the media to exercise restraint, act responsibly when reporting, and not rush to judgment. Until the perpetrators are identified and brought to justice, all media reports should be accurate, restraint, and sensitive.

        AMJ calls on Muslims nationwide to offer every assistance they can to help the victims of today’s terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, D.C. Muslims in local communities should take the following IMMEDIATE ACTIONS:

        * Muslim medical professionals are asked to go to the scenes of the attacks to offer aid and comfort to the victims.

        * Muslim relief agencies should contact their counterparts to offer support in the recovery efforts.

        * Individual Muslims should donate blood by contacting the local office of the Red Cross. (Call 1-800-GIVE-LIFE.) They should also send donations to those relief agencies that are on the scene of the attacks.

        American Muslims for Jerusalem

        Tel (202)548-4200, Fax (202)548-4201

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        MUSLIMS ASKED TO OFFER HELP FOR VICTIMS OF TERRORIST ATTACKS

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) – The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is calling on Muslims nationwide to offer whatever assistance they can to help the victims of today’s terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, D.C.

        Muslims in local communities should take the following IMMEDIATE ACTIONS:

        * Muslim medical professionals are asked to go to the scenes of the attacks to offer aid and comfort to the victims.

        * Muslim relief agencies should contact their counterparts to offer support in the recovery efforts.

        * Individual Muslims should donate blood by contacting the local office of the Red Cross. (Call 1-800-GIVE-LIFE.) They should also send donations to those relief agencies that are on the scene of the attacks.

        MUSLIMS OFFER HELP FOR VICTIMS OF TERRORIST ATTACKS

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) – The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a prominent Washington-based Islamic advocacy group, is calling on Muslims nationwide to offer whatever assistance they can to help the victims of today’s terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, D.C.

        In an alert to the American Muslim community, CAIR suggested that the following actions be taken:

        Muslim medical professionals are asked to go to the scenes of the attacks to offer aid and comfort to the victims.

        Muslim relief agencies should contact their counterparts to offer support in the recovery efforts.

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        Individual Muslims should donate blood by contacting the local office of the Red Cross. (Call 1-800-GIVE-LIFE.) They should also send donations to those relief agencies that are on the scene of the attacks.

        CAIR’s alert asked community members to report incidents of anti-Muslim harassment or attacks. It also suggested steps to take to increase security around mosques and Islamic centers. (In the first few days following the 1995 attack on the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma, Muslims reported more than 200 incidents of harassment, threats and actual violence. CAIR has already received reports of harassment and attacks against Muslims who wear Islamic attire.)

        Security precautions suggested by CAIR’s alert include:

        Those who wear Islamic attire should consider staying out of public areas for the immediate future.

        Request additional police patrols in the vicinity of mosques.

        Post mosque members at entrances and parking areas during prayer times.

        Report suspicious packages to police.

        Document descriptions of suspicious people or vehicles.

        There are an estimated seven million Muslims in America and some 1.2 billion worldwide. Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in this country and around the world.

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        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

        ISNA CONDEMNS TERRORIST ATTACKS

        (Plainfield, IN – 9/11/2001) – The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) joins Muslim Americans and all Americans in expressing its deep sorrow over the apparently deliberate air-crashes in New York and Washington, DC that have led to the loss of countless innocent lives.

        ISNA joins Muslim organizations throughout North America in condemning theses apparent terrorist attacks and calls upon Muslim Americans to come forward with their skills and resources to help alleviate the sufferings of the affected people and their families.

        ISNA condemns these apparently senseless acts of terrorism against innocent civilians, which will only be counterproductive to any agenda the perpetrators may have had in mind. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.

        We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators, and call upon our justice system to maintain strict standards of justice and fairness in these trying times.

        We also urge the media to exercise restraint, and to act responsibly when reporting on these terrorist attacks. Until the perpetrators are brought to justice, all media reports should be accurate, restrained and sensitive. Let us pray to God that He may Guide us all to keep firm in following our principles and offer relief to the victims of violence wherever they may be.

        – END –

        CONTACT: Dr. Sayyid M. Syeed, Secretary General of ISNA

        TEL: 317-839-8157 ext 222 Email: info@isna.net

        Signatories:

        American Muslim Alliance, American Muslim Council, Association of Muslim Scientists and Engineers, Association of Muslim Social Scientists, Council on American-Islamic Relations, Islamic Medical Association of North America, Islamic Circle of North America, Islamic Society of North America, Ministry of Imam W. Deen Mohammed, Muslim American Society, Muslim Public Affairs Council

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        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – 9/11/01

        The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), condemns in the strongest possible way the heinous and horrific acts of terrorism that occurred in New York City and Washington, D.C.,

        this morning.

        The American Muslim community is united in its support to the law enforcement agencies in bringing the culprits to justice. We join our fellow citizens in this moment of grief and sorrow.

        We urge all to donate blood for the victims at their local blood centers. Our hearts are with those who have lost loved ones in this terrible tragedy and our prayers are with the departed souls.

        URGENT APPEAL, PLEASE HELP, WE NEED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AND NURSES VOLUNTEER TO PROVIDE HELP FOR THE VICTIMS IN NYC

        ICNA RELIEF WILL PROVIDE FOOD AND RESIDENCE, PLEASE DONATE BLOOD FOR THE VICTIMS

        CONTACT US AT 718 658 7028, ICNA Relief, 166-26 89th Ave., Jamaica, NY 11432

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        For Immediate Release

        September 11, 2001

        AMERICAN MUSLIMS CONDEMN TERRORIST ATTACKS

        Islamic Shura (Consultative) Council of Southern California (ISCSC) on the behalf of all Masajid (Mosques) and Muslim community in Southern California joining Muslims around the country to condemns the latest cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians.

        We join with all our fellow Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.”

        We offer our sincere and heartfelt condolences to the families of the

        victims of those who were killed or injured. We pray to God, the Cherisher of all people to bestow His mercy upon all & help us in patience to overcome this catastrophe. We pray that those who love God will take this opportunity to put their hands together to bring the values of love, decency, fairness and Justice back into our lives.

        We also urge the media to exercise restraint, and to act responsibly when reporting on these terrorist attacks. Until the perpetrators are brought to justice, all media reports should be accurate, restrained and sensitive.

        The Islamic Shura Council is inviting all religious leaders of all faiths to a prayer meeting at the City of Pasadena Auditorium at 11:00 am on East Green Street. Many religious leaders of all faiths have already accepted to participate.

        God Bless America.

        Contact: Dr. Yahia Abdul Rahman, Chairman of ISCSC at: (626) 255-2181

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        PRESS RELEASE: MUSLIM THINK TANK CONDEMNS APPARENT TERRORIST ATTACKS

        Minaret of Freedom Institute

        4323 Rosedale Avenue, Bethesda, MD 20814

        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE!!!!

        Contact: Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad, Ph.D.

        301-907-0947

        MUSLIM THINK TANK CONDEMNS APPARENT TERRORIST ATTACKS ASKS MUSLIMS TO DONATE BLOOD AND MONEY TO AID VICTIMS AND FAMILIES

        Bethesda, MD (September 11, 2001). The Minaret of Freedom Institute, a Washington, DC area Islamic policy research institute today condemned the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad, President of the organization, denounced the attacks and expressed condolences for the victims and their families. “For American Muslims the unprecedented coordinated attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon is a triple tragedy,” Ahmad said. “As Americans, our country is under attack. As Muslims, the tragedy of attacks on noncombatants is anathema to us. Finally, as the ‘usual suspects’ in a situation of this type we must be concerned with a new acceleration of persecution against us and our families.”

        Ahmad noted that a number of Muslim organizations have already stepped forward to serve as good neighbors. Both the Islamic-American Zakat Foundation, a Bethesda, Maryland charitable organization and the American Muslim Foundation in Alexandria, Virginia NGO are organizing blood drives to help out with the crisis caused by the violence. Ahmad also acknowledged the care being given by local law enforcement agencies to protect all citizens from violent acts that might be sparked by frustration over this morning’s attacks. In particular he noted special efforts by the Montgomery County police in Maryland to contact Muslim organizations. Ahmad expressed concern that amid recent vilification of the American Muslim community by commentators Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson, the FBI has recently devoted resources to shutting down Islamic web sites when such resources might have been better allocated to protect against problems like today’s attacks. “I hope the authorities will be able to identify the planners and perpetrators of these crimes and bring them to justice,” Ahmad said.

        The Minaret of Freedom Institute (MFI), located in the Washington, DC area, is dedicated to research and educational efforts regarding Islamic law and Muslim history. MFI summarizes its purposes as: to “counter distortions and misconceptions about Islamic law and practice; demonstrate the Islamic origins of [certain] modern values …; expose both American and Islamic world Muslims to free market thought; [and] advance the status of Muslim peoples maligned by a hostile environment in the West and oppressed by repressive political regimes in the East.” Dr. Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad is co-editor with Ahmed Yousef of Islam and the West: A Dialog.

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        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – 9/11/01

        SHARI’A SCHOLARS ASSOCIATION OF NORTH AMERICA (SSANA) CONDEMNS TERRORIST ATTACKS

        (Detroit, MI – 9/11/2001) The Shari’a Scholars Association of North America (SSANA) strongly condemn this morning’s plane attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and expresses its deep sorrow for Americans that were injured and killed. SSANA send out its condolence to all victims of this cowardly terrorist attack. There is no cause that justifies this type of an immoral and inhumane act that has affected so many innocent Amercian lives. SSANA supports all efforts to investigate and immediately capture the evil persons responsible for these immoral can cowardly acts. Certainly, there is no justification for these acts from either an Islamic perspective or, in truth, from the perspective of any other moral and freedom-loving people. These acts diminish the freedom of all Americans, including American Muslims. Our condolence go out to all of the victims of these inhumane acts.

      11. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        HERE GUSS

        JUST A COUPLE EXAMPLES, CANT BELIEVE I EVEN WASTE MY TIME REPLYING TO TRASH LIKE YOU BUT I JUST WANT U TO SEE HOW DUMB YOU ARE.

        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – 9/11/01

        U.S. MUSLIMS CONDEMN TERRORIST ATTACKS

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) – The American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC), today condemned the apparent terrorist attacks in New York and Washington and offered condolences to the families of those who were killed or injured.

        The AMPCC statement read in part:

        “American Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.”

        Leaders of the American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC) held a meeting in Washington, DC, on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, to issue the following points related to the terrorist attacks:

        1) We assert unequivocal condemnation based on our religious values and our identity as American Muslims;

        2) We do not need to defend every maniacal incident emanating from the Muslim world or the Muslim community, just as other religious groups need not defend their extremists;

        3) We offer compassion to the victims and solidarity with all Americans in the face of danger;

        4) Notwithstanding the disbelief that anyone following the faith of Islam could commit such a heinous crime, we condemn the act regardless of the identity of the perpetrators;

        5) We deplore the irresponsible reporting that twists the realities and complexities of the Muslim world in order to project only anti-American sentiment during this disturbing period when we are all attempting to move beyond the state of mourning for the national tragedy;

        6) We warn against opportunists who will exploit the misery and hysteria of the public in order to promote a political agenda aimed at tarnishing the name of Islam and Muslims;

        7) We should not diminish our resolve to be active in protecting the civil liberties of all Americans and struggling for justice both locally and globally;

        8) We need to organize activities to help the victims medically, psychologically and in every other way we can.

        ——————————————————————————–

        American Muslim Alliance (AMA) Condemns Terrorist Attack

        (Newark, California: 9/11/01) The American Muslim Alliance, a national civic education organization, condemned today’s terrorist attacks in New York and Washington in the “strongest terms”.

        Dr. Agha Saeed, the national Chair of the American Muslim Alliance, Stated:

        “These attacks are against both divine and human laws and we condemn them in the strongest terms. The Muslim Americans join the nation in calling for swift apprehension and stiff punishment of the perpetrators, and offer our sympathies to the victims and their families.”

        Contact:Ph:(510) 872 – 8013 E-mail: ama@amaweb.org

        ——————————————————————————–

        AMC Deplores The Attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) The American Muslim Council (AMC) strongly condemns this morning’s plane attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and expresses deep sorrow for Americans that were injured and killed. AMC sends out its condolence to all victims of this cowardly terrorist attack. There is no cause that justifies this type of an immoral and inhumane act that has affected so many innocent American lives. AMC supports all efforts of the investigation in order to track down the people responsible for this tragic act of terrorism.

        The American Muslim Political Coordination Council (AMPCC) issued a statement which reads:

        “American Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No Political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.”

        The AMPCC consists of AMC, Council on American-Islamic Relations, American Muslim Alliance and Muslim Public Affairs Council.

        Donate Blood To Help The Innocent Victims

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) The American Muslim Council calls upon the members of the Muslim community to come together at this tragic time where so many of our fellow Americans have been killed and injured. This American tragedy affects all of us and we should do whatever we can do help save lives of the injured victims. AMC encourages Islamic Centers to start blood drive campaigns and encourages everyone to visit hospitals and medical centers in the capitol and New York City to donate much needed blood to those who are required to receive immediate medical assistance.

        AMC Seeks Assistance From Law Enforcement Agencies To Protect All Americans

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) The American Muslim Council (AMC) is urging all Muslims to come together in this time of tragedy. AMC today condemned the cowardly terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington and expressed its condolences to the families of innocent people killed. This horrific violent incident disturbs American Muslims.

        AMC wants all law enforcement officials to be cognizant of the fact that at times like these, there are some acts of violence perpetrated against Islamic Centers and Muslims of our communities. We are confident that authorities will protect all men, women and children. We hope to prevent the acts of violence directed towards Muslims and Islamic Centers. American Muslims experienced violent attacks and verbal harassment in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City Bombing when our fellow citizens rushed to judgment about the perpetrators of the crime. We urge our fellow Americans not to be quick to stereotype Muslims, who are also suffering at this traumatic time. We, like all Americans, want to feel secure and want to see the perpetrators brought to justice. Enough innocent lives have been killed today.

        Contact: Farkhunda Ali, Communications Director

        (202) 789-2262 ext. 205, farkhunda@amconline.org

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        American Muslims for Jerusalem Condemns the Terrorist Attacks

        (Washington, DC 9/11/01) – Joining the Muslim community around the country, the Washington based American Muslims for Jerusalem (AMJ) is appalled and strongly condemns the terrorist attacks in New York, Washington, and other parts of the country. AMJ sends out its deepest condolences to the families of the victims of these cowardly attacks.

        As Muslims we utterly deplore these heinous and barbaric acts and hope for the quick apprehension and swift applications of justice. We also urge the media to exercise restraint, act responsibly when reporting, and not rush to judgment. Until the perpetrators are identified and brought to justice, all media reports should be accurate, restraint, and sensitive.

        AMJ calls on Muslims nationwide to offer every assistance they can to help the victims of today’s terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, D.C. Muslims in local communities should take the following IMMEDIATE ACTIONS:

        * Muslim medical professionals are asked to go to the scenes of the attacks to offer aid and comfort to the victims.

        * Muslim relief agencies should contact their counterparts to offer support in the recovery efforts.

        * Individual Muslims should donate blood by contacting the local office of the Red Cross. (Call 1-800-GIVE-LIFE.) They should also send donations to those relief agencies that are on the scene of the attacks.

        American Muslims for Jerusalem

        Tel (202)548-4200, Fax (202)548-4201

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        MUSLIMS ASKED TO OFFER HELP FOR VICTIMS OF TERRORIST ATTACKS

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) – The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is calling on Muslims nationwide to offer whatever assistance they can to help the victims of today’s terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, D.C.

        Muslims in local communities should take the following IMMEDIATE ACTIONS:

        * Muslim medical professionals are asked to go to the scenes of the attacks to offer aid and comfort to the victims.

        * Muslim relief agencies should contact their counterparts to offer support in the recovery efforts.

        * Individual Muslims should donate blood by contacting the local office of the Red Cross. (Call 1-800-GIVE-LIFE.) They should also send donations to those relief agencies that are on the scene of the attacks.

        MUSLIMS OFFER HELP FOR VICTIMS OF TERRORIST ATTACKS

        (WASHINGTON, DC – 9/11/2001) – The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a prominent Washington-based Islamic advocacy group, is calling on Muslims nationwide to offer whatever assistance they can to help the victims of today’s terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, D.C.

        In an alert to the American Muslim community, CAIR suggested that the following actions be taken:

        Muslim medical professionals are asked to go to the scenes of the attacks to offer aid and comfort to the victims.

        Muslim relief agencies should contact their counterparts to offer support in the recovery efforts.

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        Individual Muslims should donate blood by contacting the local office of the Red Cross. (Call 1-800-GIVE-LIFE.) They should also send donations to those relief agencies that are on the scene of the attacks.

        CAIR’s alert asked community members to report incidents of anti-Muslim harassment or attacks. It also suggested steps to take to increase security around mosques and Islamic centers. (In the first few days following the 1995 attack on the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma, Muslims reported more than 200 incidents of harassment, threats and actual violence. CAIR has already received reports of harassment and attacks against Muslims who wear Islamic attire.)

        Security precautions suggested by CAIR’s alert include:

        Those who wear Islamic attire should consider staying out of public areas for the immediate future.

        Request additional police patrols in the vicinity of mosques.

        Post mosque members at entrances and parking areas during prayer times.

        Report suspicious packages to police.

        Document descriptions of suspicious people or vehicles.

        There are an estimated seven million Muslims in America and some 1.2 billion worldwide. Islam is one of the fastest growing religions in this country and around the world.

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        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

        ISNA CONDEMNS TERRORIST ATTACKS

        (Plainfield, IN – 9/11/2001) – The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) joins Muslim Americans and all Americans in expressing its deep sorrow over the apparently deliberate air-crashes in New York and Washington, DC that have led to the loss of countless innocent lives.

        ISNA joins Muslim organizations throughout North America in condemning theses apparent terrorist attacks and calls upon Muslim Americans to come forward with their skills and resources to help alleviate the sufferings of the affected people and their families.

        ISNA condemns these apparently senseless acts of terrorism against innocent civilians, which will only be counterproductive to any agenda the perpetrators may have had in mind. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.

        We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators, and call upon our justice system to maintain strict standards of justice and fairness in these trying times.

        We also urge the media to exercise restraint, and to act responsibly when reporting on these terrorist attacks. Until the perpetrators are brought to justice, all media reports should be accurate, restrained and sensitive. Let us pray to God that He may Guide us all to keep firm in following our principles and offer relief to the victims of violence wherever they may be.

        – END –

        CONTACT: Dr. Sayyid M. Syeed, Secretary General of ISNA

        TEL: 317-839-8157 ext 222 Email: info@isna.net

        Signatories:

        American Muslim Alliance, American Muslim Council, Association of Muslim Scientists and Engineers, Association of Muslim Social Scientists, Council on American-Islamic Relations, Islamic Medical Association of North America, Islamic Circle of North America, Islamic Society of North America, Ministry of Imam W. Deen Mohammed, Muslim American Society, Muslim Public Affairs Council

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        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – 9/11/01

        The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), condemns in the strongest possible way the heinous and horrific acts of terrorism that occurred in New York City and Washington, D.C.,

        this morning.

        The American Muslim community is united in its support to the law enforcement agencies in bringing the culprits to justice. We join our fellow citizens in this moment of grief and sorrow.

        We urge all to donate blood for the victims at their local blood centers. Our hearts are with those who have lost loved ones in this terrible tragedy and our prayers are with the departed souls.

        URGENT APPEAL, PLEASE HELP, WE NEED MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS AND NURSES VOLUNTEER TO PROVIDE HELP FOR THE VICTIMS IN NYC

        ICNA RELIEF WILL PROVIDE FOOD AND RESIDENCE, PLEASE DONATE BLOOD FOR THE VICTIMS

        CONTACT US AT 718 658 7028, ICNA Relief, 166-26 89th Ave., Jamaica, NY 11432

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        For Immediate Release

        September 11, 2001

        AMERICAN MUSLIMS CONDEMN TERRORIST ATTACKS

        Islamic Shura (Consultative) Council of Southern California (ISCSC) on the behalf of all Masajid (Mosques) and Muslim community in Southern California joining Muslims around the country to condemns the latest cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians.

        We join with all our fellow Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.”

        We offer our sincere and heartfelt condolences to the families of the

        victims of those who were killed or injured. We pray to God, the Cherisher of all people to bestow His mercy upon all & help us in patience to overcome this catastrophe. We pray that those who love God will take this opportunity to put their hands together to bring the values of love, decency, fairness and Justice back into our lives.

        We also urge the media to exercise restraint, and to act responsibly when reporting on these terrorist attacks. Until the perpetrators are brought to justice, all media reports should be accurate, restrained and sensitive.

        The Islamic Shura Council is inviting all religious leaders of all faiths to a prayer meeting at the City of Pasadena Auditorium at 11:00 am on East Green Street. Many religious leaders of all faiths have already accepted to participate.

        God Bless America.

        Contact: Dr. Yahia Abdul Rahman, Chairman of ISCSC at: (626) 255-2181

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        PRESS RELEASE: MUSLIM THINK TANK CONDEMNS APPARENT TERRORIST ATTACKS

        Minaret of Freedom Institute

        4323 Rosedale Avenue, Bethesda, MD 20814

        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE!!!!

        Contact: Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad, Ph.D.

        301-907-0947

        MUSLIM THINK TANK CONDEMNS APPARENT TERRORIST ATTACKS ASKS MUSLIMS TO DONATE BLOOD AND MONEY TO AID VICTIMS AND FAMILIES

        Bethesda, MD (September 11, 2001). The Minaret of Freedom Institute, a Washington, DC area Islamic policy research institute today condemned the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad, President of the organization, denounced the attacks and expressed condolences for the victims and their families. “For American Muslims the unprecedented coordinated attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon is a triple tragedy,” Ahmad said. “As Americans, our country is under attack. As Muslims, the tragedy of attacks on noncombatants is anathema to us. Finally, as the ‘usual suspects’ in a situation of this type we must be concerned with a new acceleration of persecution against us and our families.”

        Ahmad noted that a number of Muslim organizations have already stepped forward to serve as good neighbors. Both the Islamic-American Zakat Foundation, a Bethesda, Maryland charitable organization and the American Muslim Foundation in Alexandria, Virginia NGO are organizing blood drives to help out with the crisis caused by the violence. Ahmad also acknowledged the care being given by local law enforcement agencies to protect all citizens from violent acts that might be sparked by frustration over this morning’s attacks. In particular he noted special efforts by the Montgomery County police in Maryland to contact Muslim organizations. Ahmad expressed concern that amid recent vilification of the American Muslim community by commentators Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson, the FBI has recently devoted resources to shutting down Islamic web sites when such resources might have been better allocated to protect against problems like today’s attacks. “I hope the authorities will be able to identify the planners and perpetrators of these crimes and bring them to justice,” Ahmad said.

        The Minaret of Freedom Institute (MFI), located in the Washington, DC area, is dedicated to research and educational efforts regarding Islamic law and Muslim history. MFI summarizes its purposes as: to “counter distortions and misconceptions about Islamic law and practice; demonstrate the Islamic origins of [certain] modern values …; expose both American and Islamic world Muslims to free market thought; [and] advance the status of Muslim peoples maligned by a hostile environment in the West and oppressed by repressive political regimes in the East.” Dr. Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad is co-editor with Ahmed Yousef of Islam and the West: A Dialog.

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        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE – 9/11/01

        SHARI’A SCHOLARS ASSOCIATION OF NORTH AMERICA (SSANA) CONDEMNS TERRORIST ATTACKS

        (Detroit, MI – 9/11/2001) The Shari’a Scholars Association of North America (SSANA) strongly condemn this morning’s plane attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and expresses its deep sorrow for Americans that were injured and killed. SSANA send out its condolence to all victims of this cowardly terrorist attack. There is no cause that justifies this type of an immoral and inhumane act that has affected so many innocent Amercian lives. SSANA supports all efforts to investigate and immediately capture the evil persons responsible for these immoral can cowardly acts. Certainly, there is no justification for these acts from either an Islamic perspective or, in truth, from the perspective of any other moral and freedom-loving people. These acts diminish the freedom of all Americans, including American Muslims. Our condolence go out to all of the victims of these inhumane acts.

      12. OK Prophet let’s see if my fellow posters like that:

        Wilaayat al-Faqih holds the faith together for Shia Islam pretty much like the Saudi King and Mekka’s clerics are the custodians of Sunni islam.

        I do believe it has been politicized and abused by pretty much all other sects. It is and SHOULD be 100% religious entity whose clerics “inherit” the prophets. They are in this role pretty much in charge of the laws among other things and here lays the problem. If they adjudicate in anything pertaining to the law and yet because of the make up of the Lebanese population our next question would be where do we draw the line. I am certain that in Legal and marital disputes the clerics have their say and their say is law and that is A BIG problem for ALL of us because I for one do not want to abide by my church which does not allow divorce and yet my fellow moslems can divorce legally yet I have to change my religion to do so. I believe that one should be able to marry First (legally) in the civil courts that apply to all citizens, and then if one should choose they can take another step and marry in church or under Sharia laws.

        Wilaayat al Faqih is nothing to be afraid of because it is the same as the Vatican authority for the Catholics. Get it through your thick heads people and stop regurgitating the same scare tactics. NO ONE RELIGION CAN DOMINATE IN LEBANON. Sooner or later, weapons or not, if one sect decides to boycott the country it will be over for all of us.

        Look what happened when the Shia MPs decided to walk out of the government of Siniora. It lost all legitimacy.

        Now let’s address the issue of the why are certain group of people or some sects worried about the concept. Well if you read the news all over the middle east you will find that the minorities have been abused and their leaders use those scare tactics to get them to “follow” and never think outside the box. In short they are scared about its meaning and I believe more communication should be able to resolve the fears.

        Finally, it is still my belief that the resistance should be the right of everyone and currently it is hijacked by HA as being Islamic (Except for Julia Boutros singing ahiba’i). 😛

      13. OK Prophet let’s see if my fellow posters like that:

        Wilaayat al-Faqih holds the faith together for Shia Islam pretty much like the Saudi King and Mekka’s clerics are the custodians of Sunni islam.

        I do believe it has been politicized and abused by pretty much all other sects. It is and SHOULD be 100% religious entity whose clerics “inherit” the prophets. They are in this role pretty much in charge of the laws among other things and here lays the problem. If they adjudicate in anything pertaining to the law and yet because of the make up of the Lebanese population our next question would be where do we draw the line. I am certain that in Legal and marital disputes the clerics have their say and their say is law and that is A BIG problem for ALL of us because I for one do not want to abide by my church which does not allow divorce and yet my fellow moslems can divorce legally yet I have to change my religion to do so. I believe that one should be able to marry First (legally) in the civil courts that apply to all citizens, and then if one should choose they can take another step and marry in church or under Sharia laws.

        Wilaayat al Faqih is nothing to be afraid of because it is the same as the Vatican authority for the Catholics. Get it through your thick heads people and stop regurgitating the same scare tactics. NO ONE RELIGION CAN DOMINATE IN LEBANON. Sooner or later, weapons or not, if one sect decides to boycott the country it will be over for all of us.

        Look what happened when the Shia MPs decided to walk out of the government of Siniora. It lost all legitimacy.

        Now let’s address the issue of the why are certain group of people or some sects worried about the concept. Well if you read the news all over the middle east you will find that the minorities have been abused and their leaders use those scare tactics to get them to “follow” and never think outside the box. In short they are scared about its meaning and I believe more communication should be able to resolve the fears.

        Finally, it is still my belief that the resistance should be the right of everyone and currently it is hijacked by HA as being Islamic (Except for Julia Boutros singing ahiba’i). 😛

      14. While on the topic listen to this… Hilarious!

        Freedom of Religion!!! LOL… What if I want to celebrate EVERYDAY! in Malaysia apparently you can’t:

        Malaysian religious officials said Thursday they had detained and fined nine members of an Islamic sect for celebrating the Eid al-Fitr holiday two days early, AFP reported.

        The Eid festival, marking the end of the fasting month of Ramadan, has been declared on Friday for most parts of the world including Malaysia, but members of Jamiah Al-Zikri Awwalun were caught already celebrating on Wednesday.

        He said that religious authorities released the group members after they paid a fine.

      15. While on the topic listen to this… Hilarious!

        Freedom of Religion!!! LOL… What if I want to celebrate EVERYDAY! in Malaysia apparently you can’t:

        Malaysian religious officials said Thursday they had detained and fined nine members of an Islamic sect for celebrating the Eid al-Fitr holiday two days early, AFP reported.

        The Eid festival, marking the end of the fasting month of Ramadan, has been declared on Friday for most parts of the world including Malaysia, but members of Jamiah Al-Zikri Awwalun were caught already celebrating on Wednesday.

        He said that religious authorities released the group members after they paid a fine.

      16. Walid,

        Thank you for your response.

        I can’t agree enough with everything you said.

        I would only add few things to make the picture even clearer.

        The concept of Wilayat Al Faqieh itself is not in dispute among Shiaa scholars as a concept, but the question of qualification of who can hold such authority is. Most scholors, including the late fadlalah, Sistani,Al khoei,Shamsedine, and the majority of Iranian scholars believe that No one person ,regardless of how knowledgeable he is, can be holy enough to hold such authority, EXCEPT for the 11 Imams that preceded the prophet. That leaves the 12th Imam (Imam Almahdi) as the only qualified person to hold such title. So in reality No one is holy enough to be a supreme leader.

        To the surprise of many people, even Khomeini, didn’t fully exercise this authority. The only person to do what was Khaminai.

        Kaminai merged the title of marja’a taqleed, with the Supreme leader.

        The role of a marja’a taqleed is solely a juridical authority to which the Muslim (Siiaa Muslims) community may refer to in the case of religious questions and commandments concerning the practical side of Islam.

        Support of this concept in Lebanon, is strictly among HA members, and their family only. The greatest majority of HA followers, and supporters do not support this theory, and therefore would never follow it. So there is a distinction between HA members on one hand, and the followers and supporters on the other hand, when it comes to this issue. The greatest majority of Lebanese Shiia does not believe in wilayat al Faqieh, though many of them may support HA politically.

        So the fear is not justified because there is no realistic condition that would allow this concept to be implemented in Lebanon.

      17. Walid,

        Thank you for your response.

        I can’t agree enough with everything you said.

        I would only add few things to make the picture even clearer.

        The concept of Wilayat Al Faqieh itself is not in dispute among Shiaa scholars as a concept, but the question of qualification of who can hold such authority is. Most scholors, including the late fadlalah, Sistani,Al khoei,Shamsedine, and the majority of Iranian scholars believe that No one person ,regardless of how knowledgeable he is, can be holy enough to hold such authority, EXCEPT for the 11 Imams that preceded the prophet. That leaves the 12th Imam (Imam Almahdi) as the only qualified person to hold such title. So in reality No one is holy enough to be a supreme leader.

        To the surprise of many people, even Khomeini, didn’t fully exercise this authority. The only person to do what was Khaminai.

        Kaminai merged the title of marja’a taqleed, with the Supreme leader.

        The role of a marja’a taqleed is solely a juridical authority to which the Muslim (Siiaa Muslims) community may refer to in the case of religious questions and commandments concerning the practical side of Islam.

        Support of this concept in Lebanon, is strictly among HA members, and their family only. The greatest majority of HA followers, and supporters do not support this theory, and therefore would never follow it. So there is a distinction between HA members on one hand, and the followers and supporters on the other hand, when it comes to this issue. The greatest majority of Lebanese Shiia does not believe in wilayat al Faqieh, though many of them may support HA politically.

        So the fear is not justified because there is no realistic condition that would allow this concept to be implemented in Lebanon.

      18. wlek ya prophet why are you wasting your time?

        they hear it from the horse’s mouth and they dont wanna beleive it.

        just read Abou Daoud, the israeli imposter here and you see how many of the people here really should leave lebanon and move to israel because they are buying into the scare tactics and BS that Israel is trying to spread, through its spies in Lebanon.

        the sad part is they cant see further than their nose filled with hatred for the other side. zero objectivity.

      19. wlek ya prophet why are you wasting your time?

        they hear it from the horse’s mouth and they dont wanna beleive it.

        just read Abou Daoud, the israeli imposter here and you see how many of the people here really should leave lebanon and move to israel because they are buying into the scare tactics and BS that Israel is trying to spread, through its spies in Lebanon.

        the sad part is they cant see further than their nose filled with hatred for the other side. zero objectivity.

      20. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        HEY GUSS? WHATS WRONG? WHERES YOUR REPLY? I GAVE YOU THE EVIDENCE YOU WANTED? I GUESS YOU JUST CONVENIENTLY DISSAPPEAR NOW? COWARD!

      21. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        HEY GUSS? WHATS WRONG? WHERES YOUR REPLY? I GAVE YOU THE EVIDENCE YOU WANTED? I GUESS YOU JUST CONVENIENTLY DISSAPPEAR NOW? COWARD!

      22. CATHY,

        I have to fulfill my prophecy. Like I said to George:

        To disagree is one thing; to be disagreeable is another? LOL

        That sounds like my wife and I: We make it a point not to argue over anything not worth arguing about. Of course, this leads to some dandy fights over whether or not a subject is worthwhile. I bet you feel sorry for here now, lol

      23. moustapha Avatar

        Walid,

        Allow me to correct you. Saudi Arabia is not abiding by strict rules of Islam when they forbid the building of churches.

        Where in the Quran does God forbid the building of churches or temples?

        On the Contrary Islam through out history has preserved and protected the religions of the people living among them.

        If you or anyone else is interested you might find this an interesting article that could shed more light on the subject.

        Also i responded to your other question but has been pending for moderation ever since i wrote it in the morning.

        Peace

    5. WEINAK YA ELIAS.LONG TIME NO SEEN.

    6. WEINAK YA ELIAS.LONG TIME NO SEEN.

  3. Leb-Syrian Avatar

    “It’s also an ironic demonstration of how peaceful Muslims must feel when crazy people perform heinous acts in the name of their religion. These Quran burners certainly don’t represent ordinary peaceful Christians any more than the 9/11 murderers represent ordinary peaceful Muslims”

    ^Great Point^

    1. Phophet and Walid this debate about Wilayat Al Faqieh, is irrelevant. Because when you say walid <>

      I agree to a certain point. Ha is not looking to impose their religious view I agree the condition are not playing in their favor.

      The issue here is not religious but more political. HA has the capacity to impose a veto on the politics of the gouverment. How because they have the military expertise…

      So if no one religion could be impose one political view could certainly be influence forcefully to other sect, just by the mere fact of being a potential target. The best example of this could be Jumblatt and is 360 degree shift… And their political view stem from their religious conviction. This why other sect fear them …

      Peace

      1. walid when you say NO ONE RELIGION CAN DOMINATE IN LEBANON

      2. Eventhoughit dnot realated to the story, but it’s a debate we started at ths page.We’re discussing wilayat al faqieh,and not the political power of HA.

        However, thier military and politcal powers are not a secret.

        The political power they have stems from the support they receive,and from thire political allies. This is a result of a political structure that is in place.

        The political structure we have in Lebanon is no where near perfct. The whole sectarian system has to be reformed. unfortunitly,Until then, thsi system will continue to derail any imporovemnt to lebanese people.

      3. Eventhoughit dnot realated to the story, but it’s a debate we started at ths page.We’re discussing wilayat al faqieh,and not the political power of HA.

        However, thier military and politcal powers are not a secret.

        The political power they have stems from the support they receive,and from thire political allies. This is a result of a political structure that is in place.

        The political structure we have in Lebanon is no where near perfct. The whole sectarian system has to be reformed. unfortunitly,Until then, thsi system will continue to derail any imporovemnt to lebanese people.

      4. MARC

        ps.please disregard the repeated post(beloow), It was posted before correction,lol

        Even though it is not related to the story, it’s a debate we had already started at this page. We’re discussing wilayat al faqieh,and not the political power of HA.

        However, their military and political powers are not a secret.

        The political power they have stems from the support they receive, and from their political allies. This is a result of a political structure that is in place.

        The political structure we have in Lebanon is no where near perfect. The whole sectarian system has to be reformed. Unfortunately, until then, this system will continue to derail any improvement to Lebanon’s political life.

        History, however, taught us that no one sect or party can dominate and control Lebanon. There is a limit to any party’s powers to impose major changes. No matter how bad things get, there is a minimum consensus that all sects and parties abide by to insure the sectarian balance. HA military powers may do wonders against Israel, but not domestically. Not even their military intervention in 2008 was meant to change the political structure.

      5. MARC

        ps.please disregard the repeated post(beloow), It was posted before correction,lol

        Even though it is not related to the story, it’s a debate we had already started at this page. We’re discussing wilayat al faqieh,and not the political power of HA.

        However, their military and political powers are not a secret.

        The political power they have stems from the support they receive, and from their political allies. This is a result of a political structure that is in place.

        The political structure we have in Lebanon is no where near perfect. The whole sectarian system has to be reformed. Unfortunately, until then, this system will continue to derail any improvement to Lebanon’s political life.

        History, however, taught us that no one sect or party can dominate and control Lebanon. There is a limit to any party’s powers to impose major changes. No matter how bad things get, there is a minimum consensus that all sects and parties abide by to insure the sectarian balance. HA military powers may do wonders against Israel, but not domestically. Not even their military intervention in 2008 was meant to change the political structure.

      6. Prophet,

        Lets suppose that our sectarian regime is reform with a much modern political regime.

        Do you believe that the political force of HA will be mitigate…

        I don’t see how myselt. Please explain how you see that happening.

        Political of the past could be again political allies of the futur.

        Please respond!

        Peace!!

      7. Prophet,

        Lets suppose that our sectarian regime is reform with a much modern political regime.

        Do you believe that the political force of HA will be mitigate…

        I don’t see how myselt. Please explain how you see that happening.

        Political of the past could be again political allies of the futur.

        Please respond!

        Peace!!

      8. MARC,

        I don’t see any direct connections between the Political system and the weapons of HA.

        The weapons issue is related to the threat of Israel, and to the regional problems. Though any reform in the political system can only be a positive thing to eventually(once ISRAEL THREAT IS A DDRESSED) HA’S laying down their arms.

        A modern political system would offer a security that all sects seek and need. A system established through a consensus whereby everyone agrees that sectarianism is a disease that can’t be cured. Unless we have a reformed, democratic, civil, and fair system, none of our problems are to go away. I think this could be done in stages.

        Along with the system reforms, we need law and order. We need independent justice system. We need corruption laws.

        WE NEED EVERYTHING.

      9. I still maintain my stance that NO RELIGION CAN DOMINATE IN LEBANON. Short term gains can be achieved, that is a fact of our sad history, but on the long term it won’t work. You cannot derail the balance because sooner or later civil unrest will follow and the make up of our armed forces does not permit them to tame it by force because the armed forces will pack and leave. Therefore it is either a consensus or civil unrest and everyone knows it.

  4. Burning the qoran is a statement, how much should the western world yield to the demand of extremist. The use of logic seems to me as opportune and only when it serves the extremists purpose. In the US we have the freedom of speech and expression, you do not like it get the hell out of here. I have had enough of the rhetoric talked about every day. Muslim like me do not want the sharia laws to be instituted in this country, I left where I was to live free, happy, open minded and without my wife and my daughters having to hide their faces in the name of islam, and press my opinion (right or wrong) without being persecuted.

    Burning an item like a book or a flag as an expression is not like stoning, killing, decapitating, disarming and individual for a sin committed, nor the mass suicide bombing occurring on a daily basis. That’s is appalling to me.

    1. Ali,

      Two wrongs does not make it right!

      Those burning the religious books are wrong. They are abusing the freedom of this country.

      Wearing the hijab is a choice and not a must. It is between the woman and her God not between the woman and religious authority.

      1. Indeed, but not when it is forced upon you!!!!

      2. moustapha Avatar

        I understand from your comment Ali that those people from that church are being forced to burn the Quran.

      3. I appreciate your true and honest opinion, but you are a little short with your statement when you said: “Wearing the hijab is a choice and not a must. It is between the woman and her God not between the woman and religious authority”. Today it is between a woman and her man who is getting $200.00 a monthe for wearing it.

      4. moustapha Avatar

        I dont know which country you are talking about or come from. I know that this is not the case in Lebanon and definitely not the case in many muslim countries.

        Step outside your insecure box ali, and go to Malaysia, Indonesia, Morrocco, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Surprisingly Saudi(Jedda), Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman Turkey… Most women choose to wear the hijab or choose not to, and the reason why i can make that statement is because there is an extremely significant amount of women who choose NOT to. In fact there are probably more women not wearing then wearing.

        Do you also consider these women being “forced” to “not” wear it and their men are being paid $200.

        Please Ali, lets be real. I do agree you find women oppressed in the middle east, and it is out right wrong. But you find women oppressed every where in the world and there is no relation to religion. People act in certain ways and that doesn’t mean if they claim to be muslim then they are acting as good examples for islam.

        I’ll give you an example. the saudi royal family is in power and supposedly they are the rulers of the most significant islamic country. Well in Islam it is forbidden to have a King ship or inheritance of the thrown that rules the islamic ummah. So yes they call them selves muslims but they are acting the complete opposite of the teachings just to suit their agenda.

        My mom and sisters do not wear hijab and they all “choose” not to. My wife neither. It doesn’t mean that if they choose to sometime in their life that means they are oppressed or forced to.

        Dude, if you live in the US, out of all people you should know what it means to be a muslim, the muslims here are the closest to finding an amazing balance of moderation while upholding every single islamic right they have, and NON of them are FORCED to wear hijab, they choose to wear it. So please open your eyes. I would say smell the coffee but i assume you are fasting.

        Peace

      5. If they give me $200/month I’ll wear it LOL

      6. moustapha Avatar

        LOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!

    2. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      Ali, I agree with you to a point, that no lives are being taken, but regardless there is a thing called respect, and this definately oversteps the boundaries,and is disrespectful, even to a “non-practicing muslim” like myself.

    3. Ali,

      As a non religious Muslim myself, I’ve never encountered a Muslim, regardless of how nonreligious or Modern, or eve atheist Muslim, who sees the Quran burning as a simple statement. For you to say that it is a statement I suspect that your are not a Muslim at all. I also suspect that you can’t be a good Christian or good Jew either.

      Any good human, regardless of what faith she or he is, would find the thought of burning a holy book (Quran , bible, or any holy book) is offensive .Even atheist who do not believe in any of these books, would oppose such an act out of respect to others feeling s and belief.

      The idea of burning any book, holy or not, is a sign of ignorance, arrogance, and disregard to other’s intellectual or religious belief.

      I would suggest that you stop impersonating some person named Ali. You should be ashamed of yourself. Your act as “a modern open minded Muslim” who wants to fit in is offensive to Muslims and non Muslims alike. Your claim to be civil and modern, really conflict with your stated opinion that burning the Quran is just a statement.

    4. moustapha Avatar

      I don’t see where in this article it is being implicated that Shariaa law is being instituted into US law? and thats why some idiots want to burn the Quran.

      Oh Ali you are really “cool” you have the wow factor! Your name is Ali yet your opinion is to side against Islam.. WOW.. how about i add Masha’Allah!

      Muslims like you seem to have forgotten the importance of every word that comes out of the book that you have no regard for whether someone makes an imbecilic act of aggression.

      It doesn’t mean that if events took place and it was slapped in the name of Islam, that all muslims support, practice or permit such acts or events.

      Every person has the right to choose her/his religon, yet, that doesn’t mean you loose self respect also. I am sick and tired of self-hating muslims who try to appease all non-muslims just so they can fit in, even if it means to side with extreme of the opposing side. What a rational, modest, and educated way to approach things. You are just as bad as some of those pathetic muslims who act extremely in burning cars and tires and shoot guns in the air when they get mad.

      Your choice of extremism is just as bad as those douchbags who you claim to have left from in order for your wife and daughters to not be persecuted.

      People please grow up and learn to have common decency and self respect.

      In the end its your opinion mr. Ali and your prerogative to make, support any one you want,confession, and uphold any mentality you choose to have, but don’t think that you can impose and affect others opinions and choice of confession just because you choose not to.

      Muslim like me believe in “treat people the way you want to be treated.” And extremism is an absolute evil that is forbidden regardless of it being a muslim, christian or any other kind of extremism.

      Thank you Walid for having a just and descent perception of things. If only more people muslim or non had more of your common decency things would be different in this world.

      1. Moustapha,

        You are a man of reason, I myself as a Christian I condem with all my heart and soul this man who hide behind is religion. In order to convey is message of hate. If you ask me this man is part of what create conflict and war in the world. He doesn,t built peace to say the least.

        I dream of the day when in lebanon we can express ourselt as freely as this Idioc man can in is own country…

        Peace to you Brother!!

      2. moustapha Avatar

        Marc,

        I can say the same to you bro. Allahy zeed min 2amtalak.

        Yes you are right, this mentality is what we would call “fitna.” Its really sad bess obviously thats the way the world is. I hope the same Marc, I hope that the muslims and christians of Lebanon can go back to their basic teachings of their belief system in order to find that common ground that will make them unite against all Lebanon’s enemies.

        Peace to you my brother Marc.

    5. ALI you are a pure idiot…

      1. It takes one to know one and you are proud of it.

      2. Ali, I think you’re a coward christian hiding behind the name Ali to make a point. your statements are just ridiculous. even us christians dont agree with this and you do?

        you can have freedom of speech as long as it doesnt cross the respect for others’ religous freedoms.

        if a bunch of extremist muslims burn the bible, I would be very upset and would HOPE that other muslims speak out against it.

        just like I find not enough muslims speak out against the massacres against christians in Sudan, Egypt and other african countries.

        freedom of speach comes with other freedoms as well, and that includes freedom of religion and the right to be respected no matter what religion you are from.

        by the way ALI, this can be categorized as a hate crime…if something like this was happening against the jewish community, there would endless outcries of anti-semitism and with right.

    6. Ya prophet,

      With all due respect, I agree and disagree. Everything you say about our political system is fair. Espacially law against corruption.

      But you are not adressing the real issue here.

      The issue Im discussing is the political influence of Ha and the political weight of Ha is directly related with the military arm.

      They have an advantage, that no one can denied.

      This advantage can forcefully impose their will on the gov.

      Because no other sect wants to go back at it like the old time.

      You see, I believe that we will have a consensus democratie only if all the sect in lebanon feel secure and are regarded equal on the table of reconciliation.

      How can you say that HA doesnt want to go far …or it can’t go far…

      They have a military arm card that all other sect renounced in the taif accord which help end our civil strife.

      I will agree with you when and only when Ha arm are at the service of one army one nation and one people.

      This could be a very simple one step reform that can lead to all other reform that are much needed in Lebanon.

      Peace

      1. george haddad n.j Avatar
        george haddad n.j

        i totally agree Marc with your assesments.

      2. george haddad n.j Avatar
        george haddad n.j

        i totally agree Marc with your assesments.

      3. MARC,

        If there is a good reason why HA gets the support it gets from its surroundings, it’s the insecurity that the whole system has offered.

        Historically, we’ve had a country that didn’t treat its citizen equal, failed to defend them for 60 years, never offered balanced services to all parts of the country, and never really respected its own laws.

        I won’t deny that in the background of many HA people, there is a feeling of power and strength, But beneath the skin, there is so much fear of loosing some of political ,and economical powers gained. There is a big fear of Israel as well.

        The fear factor I was telling George about is common among all Lebanese. Unless we ,as Lebanese, find a way to address all of our fears, don’t expect any side to give up any power on their own.

        The leadership of HA, and their supporters feel that all the attacks, domestically, regionally, and internationally, directed at HA, is a threat to the existence of millions of people. This fear is real. This fear is what makes most shiaa, religious or not stand behind HA.

        Don’t ever believe that people want to carry weapons and fight for ever. People everywhere in Lebanon want to live their lives and prosper and see a good future for their kids. Especially people in the south are so eager to resume a normal life. They have had enough, yet there is big fear that makes them support behind HA. They have had enough. HA knows that, and without their support HA can’t survive. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

        So I repeat to you MARC, a reformed system that makes everyone safe, along with a regional solution, would take care of the weapons.

      4. MARC,

        If there is a good reason why HA gets the support it gets from its surroundings, it’s the insecurity that the whole system has offered.

        Historically, we’ve had a country that didn’t treat its citizen equal, failed to defend them for 60 years, never offered balanced services to all parts of the country, and never really respected its own laws.

        I won’t deny that in the background of many HA people, there is a feeling of power and strength, But beneath the skin, there is so much fear of loosing some of political ,and economical powers gained. There is a big fear of Israel as well.

        The fear factor I was telling George about is common among all Lebanese. Unless we ,as Lebanese, find a way to address all of our fears, don’t expect any side to give up any power on their own.

        The leadership of HA, and their supporters feel that all the attacks, domestically, regionally, and internationally, directed at HA, is a threat to the existence of millions of people. This fear is real. This fear is what makes most shiaa, religious or not stand behind HA.

        Don’t ever believe that people want to carry weapons and fight for ever. People everywhere in Lebanon want to live their lives and prosper and see a good future for their kids. Especially people in the south are so eager to resume a normal life. They have had enough, yet there is big fear that makes them support behind HA. They have had enough. HA knows that, and without their support HA can’t survive. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

        So I repeat to you MARC, a reformed system that makes everyone safe, along with a regional solution, would take care of the weapons.

      5. MARC, If I may add one thing,

        All Lebanese political parties have one thing in common. They all either afraid or embarrassed to examine anything they have done. The day they have the balls to do that, we will have a chance to build a modern democratic country.

    7. Ya prophet,

      With all due respect, I agree and disagree. Everything you say about our political system is fair. Espacially law against corruption.

      But you are not adressing the real issue here.

      The issue Im discussing is the political influence of Ha and the political weight of Ha is directly related with the military arm.

      They have an advantage, that no one can denied.

      This advantage can forcefully impose their will on the gov.

      Because no other sect wants to go back at it like the old time.

      You see, I believe that we will have a consensus democratie only if all the sect in lebanon feel secure and are regarded equal on the table of reconciliation.

      How can you say that HA doesnt want to go far …or it can’t go far…

      They have a military arm card that all other sect renounced in the taif accord which help end our civil strife.

      I will agree with you when and only when Ha arm are at the service of one army one nation and one people.

      This could be a very simple one step reform that can lead to all other reform that are much needed in Lebanon.

      Peace

  5. Ali,

    As a non religious Muslim myself, I’ve never encountered a Muslim, regardless of how nonreligious or Modern, or eve atheist Muslim, who sees the Quran burning as a simple statement. For you to say that it is a statement I suspect that your are not a Muslim at all. I also suspect that you can’t be a good Christian or good Jew either.

    Any good human, regardless of what faith she or he is, would find the thought of burning a holy book (Quran , bible, or any holy book) is offensive .Even atheist who do not believe in any of these books, would oppose such an act out of respect to others feeling s and belief.

    The idea of burning any book, holy or not, is a sign of ignorance, arrogance, and disregard to other’s intellectual or religious belief.

    I would suggest that you stop impersonating some person named Ali. You should be ashamed of yourself. Your act as “a modern open minded Muslim” who wants to fit in is offensive to Muslims and non Muslims alike. Your claim to be civil and modern, really conflict with your stated opinion that burning the Quran is just a statement. I don’t know why you think you can fool people. I suspect that many people share my suspicions about you, but out of respect they don’t say anything to you. Your comment is very offensive, so is your impersonation.

    1. Prophet,

      You are on the spot on this. This man you suggesting to burn the Coran. Show no respect for the belief of other. He is instilling hate in the heart of his followers.

      No one can in is right mind can agree with him, no matter what bacground you come from.

      But althought he is wrong, I would add only in America. If he was in the middle east he would be kill on the spot…

      Peace!!

    2. Wrong, wrong and dead wrong. Why when someone speaks the truth and says something you do not agree with you turn it into an impersonation issue!!! Stop being ludicrous and hypocrite.

      1. Ali, you don’t know what the word truth means.

        You don’t tell any truth when you say things, because you think others would like hear. That would simply be appeasing others. The irony is that the others aren’t impressed by your self hatred and appeasement. That makes others loose respect for you and suspect your Genuinity.

        When a person like you, thinks that burring a holy book is a personal right and a simple statement, It tells enough about your values and ethics.

        No one is discussing this man’s right to do , or not do anything, We’re simply discussing the morality and ethics, and disrespect that his actions show.

        A man can have the right to own a gun, yet when if he shoots someone to death, it isn’t his rights to carry a gun that he’ll be judged on, but rather what he has done with his rights.

        I doubt that you would earn any respect from non Muslims bye telling us your “truth”. You are entitled to your opinions, and we’re judging your opinions, and in the process, your ethics, self respect, and respect for others. Again Ali, In American you do have the right to disrespect people, and the consequence of that is, disrespect by others toward you

      2. moustapha Avatar

        WoW my Southern Brother. Talk about tap out! = ) Hope you had a good weekend.

      3. Mustaphaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. how are you YA HABIBI?YES WEEKEND WAS GOOD MY FELLOW JNUBI,LOL

        EID MUBARAK TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

      4. moustapha Avatar

        LOL HABIBI! ou 3aleik wil 3ayleh ya rab. Its crazy how fast the month went by.

    3. Prophet,

      Thank you for your honest and true opinion. It really help me better understand your motivation as a shia (non religious).

      I need clarification you seem to put march 14 and isreal on the same side, when you mentioned fear emerging from the shia community.

      Please correct me if my perception is wrong.

      Because if you look at the positive side of our history lebanon was also a beacon of peace in the middle east for persecuted minority

      Ex:Kurde,palis,shia,druze, christian ect…

      So to say that our history inspire you fear is a pretty strong statement.

      Because the lebanon I know who was known to world as the only place on earth where coexistence is lived in harmony.

      They use to call it <>

      So for you to say that about lebanon hurt my patriotic fiber, because I know we can live peacefully without war if we consider every one as a person first…

      That is also part of our history, thats what march 14 is aiming to go back to our real root.

      Not the root of external power buying each other in order to divide us for their benefit.

      Please put lebanon first before your community and we will live I promise in the real lebanon, that wants to be a message of coeexistence to the world.

      Peace

      1. Marc,

        Before I respond,

        Please remind me which post I included Mrach 14 and Israel?

        You know I post many comments here.

        I don’t remember writing that.

      2. Prophet I cut and paste the part:

        Im assuming when you say attach/domestically your talking about Geagea Hariri & CO…please clarify…

        The leadership of HA, and their supporters feel that all the attacks, domestically, regionally, and internationally, directed at HA, is a threat to the existence of millions of people. This fear is real. This fear is what makes most shiaa, religious or not stand behind HA.

      3. Thank you MARC,

        By using the term domestically, IDIDN’T MEAN March 14. However, I don’t view all March 14 as one.

        March 14, just like march 8 ,is a collection of parties and politicians that came from different backgrounds, and have different objectives, yet they all found common cause to fight for.

        My views of Carlos Edie, for example, are totally different than Samir Geagaa or Hariri, or Jumblat,or even the nobodies who love the spotlights.

        I may have leaned toward March 8 at one point, but I did not agree with everything they did or said. And I was not proud of all of the leaders who called themselves March 8 either.

        I did oppose March 14, yet I agreed with many of their goals. So I don’t see things in balck and white, I do not oppose blindly, nor do I support blindly… And I could never be proud of every one who called himself Marc 14.

        There is a feeling, justified or not, not only among HA supporters, but among many Lebanese that there are some parties (those who are proud of their Israeli relations) which can again work with the enemy in the future. I’m not accusing anyone of any thing, but I’m just clarifying to you the domestic fear. This fear is very real.

        If you read some of what I have posted, you can see that I’ve always advocated and called on everyone to work together for a united Lebanon. Lebanon free of sectarianism without making any group insecure. Democratic Lebanon where everyone share responsibilities and duties .Lebanon with a fair justice system where every one is under the law. A safe Lebanon, where everyone lives in peace and harmony.

  6. Yep yep, Ya all you forgot that you are not in the middle east, you forgot why you left the ME. Your statements make me sick, as you are trying to be moderate, yet you invoke and support the killing process for a muslim who spoke his mind. May be you should migrate back to where you came from.

    1. Ali,

      I understand your opinion. But I don’t see how we can build a more open an free lebanon, with backing hatred act.

      This man don’t you think is advocation war and conflict.

      Do you actually believe that I will support any killing of any man who speak is mind of course not.

      I wish lebanon could be more like the US when someone speak is mind.

      But I will never agree with this man or any man who promote hate amoung their people (althougth they have a right to do so ).

      Please lets us choose the side of reason for once!!

      Peace to you

    2. moustapha Avatar

      No Ali, not trying to be moderate. we are moderate. I don’t see where you come up with us invoking and supporting the killing of a muslim who spoke his mind. Lol! sir your a joke.

      You are mistaken Ali, I did not leave my country because of Islam. I left it due to the lack of it.

      Allah yihdeena jami3an.

  7. Burn publicly what u want, after the 11/9 and the answer all over the world against muslims i doubt a book gonna change something.

  8. This is indeed alarming!Fanatics found in all religions are a serious menace!All religions ,all sacred books should be respected and all places of worship be they churches,mosques or synagogues should be held in reverence by every one !!!This plan must not only be condemned but definitely stopped !!! !The world is in need of tolerance not fanaticism!!!

  9. FAUZIA, AND OTHERS,

    YOU HAVE AN OPTION, A PROPHET IS HERE, FOLLOW ME,LOL

    1. George Haddad N.J Avatar
      George Haddad N.J

      Will I get my 70 harams if I followed you too?

  10. HORN DOG.LOL

  11. Where in the qoran does it allow for barbaric actions such as stoning a woman that wanted to be loved and engaged in a sexual. How come we do not credit the international society by denouncing such action: “Iran’s stoning sentence for a woman convicted of adultery intensified Tuesday with a top European Union official calling it “barbaric” and an Iranian spokesman saying it’s about punishing a criminal and not a human rights issue”

    1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      your comparing apples to oranges, what the he11 does stoning in iran have anything to do with the quran burning? If maybe the article said, “praise Iran for killing its citizens, and condemn the quran burners”, then your comment would make sense, but now your just going all over the place and getting messy. just stop man.

      1. Why should I stop. The qoran is our guidance and we shall follow it..No!!! So you do not like controversy, even when it is down your nose and you ignore it

      2. moustapha Avatar

        You should stop because the Quran does not state “rajem” for fornication or adultery, it is in fact a hadith that was written a few hundred years after the death of the prophet and there are many religious scholars that are against the penalty of stoning since the hadith conflicts with the Quranic verse states the person should be flogged whether male or female. The scholars have doubt of the hadith’s authenticity.

        Now I don’t want to debate on what i think about fornication or adultery, BUT, what might be a simple act to you, to someone else can be a treacherous act.

        The fact of the matter is just like someone in the US can fornicate and commit adultery like it is drinking water, the people in the US who want to be here have to abide by the law that allows them to do so as long as it doesn’t force the person who is in the US to practice such acts. But equally just as you have to respect the law of the US you have to respect the Law of a country that perceives fornication/adultery as a crime.

        Simple. Peace.

  12. Leb-Syrian Avatar

    Lot of people here are startin to get scared again, cuz of the environment, some are even comparing it to “9-11 times”, I personally have not witnessed any nastiness towards me, lol and i always blast arabic music in my car. However, I dont per say look arabic, oh well, I was watching a protest by the proposed mosque by ground zero, and the crowd was attacking people that looked “muslim” Some people are just so stupid, most of them are uneducated white trash,cuz i never see anything like that in NYC especially, they must all be from the south or something. and Ali, Im not questioning your religion, Im just questioning the type of person you are, Its one thing to not be a strict fanatic, and to have freedom to practice your religion the way you want, but its another thing to take something so serious and degrading with a grain of salt. I bet you probably condone burning mosques as well, as long as no one is injured? Allah yihdee il jami3.

    1. I do not know what inspires you. One should live and let live, you cannot impose on anyone nor anyone can impose on you. What others practice in their lands, should not be practiced here, and if you do you do it within your realm. Once reciprocity opens to all faith anywhere in he world, then I welcome your comments.

      1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Cut the shakesperean crap out, who are you answering to?, Just because you used big words, does not mean any of it makes sense.

    2. LEB-SYRIA,

      I walk around wearing a t-shirt that says:We won’t be silent,in arabic and in english.لن نصمت I ‘ve never encountered any problems,and don’t excpt to either .

      1. Good for you and you should not be silent period. Opinions, discussions, controversies and dialogues are the roots of co-existence and harmony.

      2. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        niiice, where can i get one? I wana get my name tattooed on my chest in arabic haha. but then id have to walk around shirtless.

      3. LEB-SYRIA

        I BOUGHT THEM IN A FUND RAISING FOR GHAZZA FEW YEARS AGAO.

      4. Constantin Avatar

        Try to wear this t-shirt in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen, Irak, Pakistan, etc… with a cross drawn on it (i.e. Christians will not shut up any more)…

        Would you get the same reaction you get in America wearing this t-shirt ? NO my friend! You would be harrassed and maybe put in jail and tortured.

      5. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Constantin, the thing is, he said his shirt says “we will not be silent anymore”, there are muslims as well as christians in palestine, where on his shirt does it say muslims will not be silent anymore?

      6. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Im sure if he wore a shirt that says Muslims will not be silent anymore in any christian country, he would be abused. Please don’t be blind and foold, we have freedom of speech and tolerance here, but its fake, just look at helen thomas, and octavia nasr as prime examples.

      7. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        fooled*

      8. Constantin

        I’d correct you on one thing; Iran has a large Christian community .I believe they practice their faith freely. Last time Aoun visited Iran, We all saw how they held a mass in an Armenian church.

        I share your opinion on that. Many Arab and Muslim countries don’t have the kind of tolerance we’re demanding here. Having said that, I don’t think I, as a Muslim, should be blamed for that. I will Take responsibility for my own action, and do my best to promote tolerance toward all human kind, regardless of what faith they follow, or what color skin they have. I believe that all humans are born equal, and should be treated equal. Every one should be able to practice his/her faith with out having any fear or interference. Not everything Muslim countries do represent Islam. Many of the countries you named mistreat their own Muslim citizen.

        Gibran said it best;

        “I love you when you bow in your mosque, kneel in your temple, pray in your church. For you and I are sons of one religion, and it is the spirit.”

    3. LEB-SYRIA

      ALI IS PRETENDING TO BE A MUSLIM.HE’S JUST A LOW LIFE, IGNORANT PERSON. HE’D BE A DISGRACE TO ANY RELIGION.EVERYONE IS STARTING TO REALIZE THAT ABOUT HIM.

      NOTICE HOW HE JUMPS FROM ONE SUBJECT TO ANOTHER. ALWAYS PRETENDING TO BE A MUSLIM, YET HIGHLIGHTING NEGATIVITY IN MUSLIM COUTRIES. WHO EVER TOLD HIM THAT WHAT IRAN OR SAUDI ARABIA DOES REALLY REPRESENT WHAT ISLAM IS ALL ABOUT?

      1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Not one country or any sect or any group should ever represent what any religion is about. Religion comes from your inner self, and is your connection with god, and no one has the right to judge, or force anything upon you.-(obviously unless you do harm unto others in the name of your religion.)

      2. To the PROPHET in DENIAL, your use of capital letters indicates that you are fuming, irate and frustrated. Just because you do not like what you hear, it does not mean that I am pretending. If you want to deal with an issue, you deal with it as a whole not partially. Please go and have a life, rather than being a hypocrite that won’t accept criticism and hide your head in the sand.

      3. Ali,

        You’re such hypocrite. You have many issues to deal with. You have the right to be whatever you want. Be an idiot, liar, self hater, or stupid. But don’t be an imposter. You are not who you claim to be. Your name isn’t Ali. You’re here to spread hatred, and false information.

      4. Prophet, I said exactly what you did up there and I got thumbed down! lol

      5. Prophet, I said exactly what you did up there and I got thumbed down! lol

  13. I gave a thumb up and agreed with you and still gotten a thumb down. Oh it must be the big words.

    1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      fyi, im not the only person with access “thumbing abilities” nor do i care about ratings. Neither do I have anything against you, my words may be harsh at times, but always wish peace and happiness to everyone, and everyone has the right to their own beliefs, but I am just so shocked that you could justify or condone a public burning of a holy book of any kind, and i am not only defending it because i am muslim, and neither am i religious, but i defend it out of respect, the same way i would if it were a torah or a bible, or for heavens sake even a book of witchcraft, just out of respect for our fellow human beings. But not everyone sees eye to eye, and I respect that. We can just agree to disagree, have a great day! 🙂

    2. Cathy,

      sorry but you are mixing many things together, cheaben bi ramadan ,first to say saudi arabia is saudia arabia is way simplifying things,especially they are the first finacial backup for the taliban and sept 11 directly and indirectly , actually the rulers there are scared of the wahabist who are = to Taliban if not worst and teach hatred to Christians in classes” just check the archive of the program 60 minutes and interview with the one religious wahhbiste praising the Sep 11 attackers and calling christians keffar right on TV” first there is over 5 million foreign workforce all time there which USA have 45000 alone , over 1 million workforce permanently that have no church to go to !!! , you sound when you say look at Syria and Iraq and Egypt are doing a favor to the Christians by allowing them to pray , just need to remind you who are the original inhabitant of the land!!! but again i dont want to lose track as you do, we are talking tolerance, there is no reason to burn churches and rape christians in iraq, christians didnt do anything to them, and dont tell me minority, there is no minority of french and dutch and swedish and german were moslem currently live and prosper and have freedom more than any moslem country that went after Sep 11 and burn mosques there , even the moslem terrorist that they caught in Guantanamo bay are still alive so in spain and englans and no one beheaded them!!!! like Zarkawi did. And dont mix the Holocaust with Islamic tolerance, Najjad better to shut his f mouth as it is not OK!!!! if one jew or gypsy or slavic went to the oven!!!! doesnt matter 1 or a million, when he did the cartoon about the jew he wasnt better than than Nazi himslef , they are human being and himself should look at himslef in the mirror and see how good looking he is !!!!! about Achrafieh i dont care about apology , there is no excuse for intimidation,let them buzz off we had enough of theire threatening, in 1967 the six days war and my dad told me the banners were posted in downtown beirut when the egyptian and syrian were lying about their defeat and saying they reach haifa on the radio, the moslem in beirut post banners today is “Saturday and tomorrow is Sunday”meaning we finish the jew and yo after, it is about time the moslem learn the word tolerance and to learn that their religion is best religion for them only , and one assigned them to judge anyone, and one thing i need to say,that you are an anti west person , full of hate to Jew as Jew i could tell from your sympathy to Najjad anti semitism voice , I have no sympathy fort his guy at all , I have no sympathy in fact for any of the middle east tyrant regimes, name one country in the middle east (except in some cases Lebanon where you pay for your life as Ghassan Tueini did)where you dare to voice your opinion , thy have right to enter achrafieh under any excuse and i dont give a dam about apology, or you have a country or you have a mazraa , and this gay police and army we have sit and watch all events since the independence day ,loser army and police . We are free to say Son of God ,moslem like it or not let them worry about their moslem and stop terrorizing the minorities in the middle east!!!!

      1. moustapha Avatar

        What a damaged kid you are. Allahy 3eenak ou yishfeek.

        I’m not sure i should say Allahy 3een ahlak or Allahy sami7on 3al ilit tirbaytak ya wateh. I will stick with the former cause id rather give them the benefit of the doubt.

        Allah yi7mi Lebnan min 2amtalak ou yifda7 uw yiksor kaydak. Allah lay wafi2 2a3da2 wi7dit masi7i7iyit ou muslimeen lebnan. Allah yi7mi silbena ou hilalna marfou3een ta7it 2arzna il habeeb.. Arzit Lebnan.

      2. Your being generous with your wishes my brother Mustapha.lol

        I think it’s the spirit of the Eid.You must be a good man bro,lol

      3. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        shu innak zinai5. wa7ed majnoon, met3asseb, you think your better than the extremists guss? They feed off of people like you, so thank yourself for the extremism around you.

      4. moustapha Avatar

        Habibi PROPHET barakallahu fik khayeh… Khajaltneh yivda7areeshak!

        Luk na7na tlamizak khayeh PROPHET!

        Leik 7a ib3atloou abou shakoush.. barkeh ibyakhod ou bya3ti ma3na LOL! ou bitseeer ra2bito SADAAAADEEEEEE =D

  14. ALI IS CRYING BECAUSE HE’S GETTING THE FINGER.LOL

    1. Since you mentioned it, that finger is going only in one place and you know where.

      1. Thank you Ali, your are so kind.Get lost now..

      2. Funny response to prophet Mr. Ali :))))

        I was reading all the comments and I could not help but to see hatred feelings toward your posts, although those same people admit they are promoting peace and freedom of speech. Some called you names, and yet, they talk about respect for others.

        This is how Arabs communicate among each others I guess.

      3. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        gus shut up and go to hades

      4. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        gus shut up and go to hades

    2. Dear Moustafa you sound like 80 years old lady with no teeth left to talk, your curses reveal a typical emotional loser who cant reply word to word to an article and respond like an intelligent man , even I am rough in my talk but am not swearing , and i am am losing track, enough lying to each other , our problem in Lebanon is the lying and the whole midle east, well if like you claim the moselm is so peaceful religion, so why should be a mob protesting in beriut and want to take revenge fom a church and peaceful people that didnt issue the cartoons, there is no excuse for such crap , there is no excuse to have Fatah el Islam, the Islam doesnt need Fatah anymore , they need to know how to leave debate with Moslem and Christians should be truthful and enough lying to each other , my article is full of facts that you can’t deny , and you lost track by using primitive vocabulary, no wonder the west is in control always , because they use their brain not their emotions, I don’t need to listen to your stupid curses, you are not far it looks to use arms to shut me up as all uncivilized middle eastern tyrants ruling, no wonder the middle east is ruled by tyrants because only tyrants can control people who use emotions and tribal behaviors, as you see the big example is Syria you need a tyrant Like Assad to control the masses , as no Moslem fanatic will dare to do what they did to Achrafieh in Syria and attack the church , Assad will take care of such mob and they will put them simply out of existence, and if I really respect Assad for that as this is the only way to get rid of FANATIC IDIOTS . THEY NEED TO BE tamed, Syria TAMED AND GET RID OF ALL fanatics once for all in Hama in 1980 and since then it is peaceful , not like our hopeless army and police watching fanatic mobs wanting to burn church in Achrafieh after the cartoon , let the mob go and burn the churches in Danemark where the cartoon was issued and don’t behave like cowards coming to an unarmed area, and killing Iraqi christians , we don’t need an apology from any we are not “AHEL ZIMME and we will never be again”, they needed an army to put them all in Jail like Syria does

      1. moustapha Avatar

        Syria makes these FANATICS and send us the HAMAS, and FATIH il ISLAM and Any other bullshit extreme fanatic groups who claim to be moslems.

        Guess who sends all those suicide bombers to Iraq.. your friendly neighborhood Syrian gov.

        I will not apologize for the actions of some douchbags trying to burn a church in Ashrafieh because i nor people affiliated to me or people affiliated to people i know would do such a thing, and my religion CONDEMNS these acts of STUPIDITY and IGNORANCE.

        I will not apologize for the deaths of Christians in any arab country because i sympathize and mourn with them as much as every Christian dies because just like Christians are dying 100000 of Muslims side by side the Christians are also dying by these same extremists. So i don’t know why your acting like i would be apologetic for someone who has nothing to do with my confession or ideals or actions.

        You are acting as if you are innocent with what you are saying when at the same time you are the one condoning disrespecting me when

        i all out condemn any one claiming to be Muslim or not to even think about burning a church or a place of worship or affecting any innocent lives.

        So don’t blame it on Islam.. yes there are a lot of scum who claim to be Muslim but they are far from practicing it.

        Another thing is before i made that comment that you took to the heart which is good.. I had responded to every single question you posted under every comment with a question I had a reply to try and reason with you why what you are saying is absurd and causes hate and gives a reason for douchbags like the ones who tried to burn a church a justification. Of course there is no justification but a douchbag is a douchbag.

        Yet I was making a dou3a2.. and you can call me an old lady but i find it better then using filthy words.

        Have some self respect and dignity if not for your self then atleast for the sake of respecting your confession that you claim to be a part of and it teaches everything opposite to what you are spreading.

        How about you take a look at the responses I gave you to explain to you that there is something wrong with your thinking.

        car.

  15. Constantin Avatar

    Leb-Syrian,

    You do have a point you’re right, but neverthless a muslim living in any western country has much much more freedom than a Christian living in any Arab or muslim country, this is a fact. This is why Arab christians and muslims go to live in the west. This is my whole point here.

    1. moustapha Avatar

      No my dear Brother Constantin, you are wrong again. The only drive of us arabs, or to be more precise us Lebanese, to leave Lebanon is strictly to make a living. And not because we don’t have our rights.

      If you have money in Lebanon you do whatever you want. You want to be religious to the point where you stay home, or you want to be open minded where you live at the club and visit a place once called home. You choose.

      Even Saudi now has a phenomenon called the city of Jeddah which is extremely liberal compared to what we used to hear about KSA. And if you look at it from socio perspective, the rate of growth and advancement of this desert country is amazing! Qatar for example will be the first country in the world to run on FULL GREEN ENERGY!

      By the way how are you bro. How is everything? Its been a while we havent talked.. lol its funny how the articles that deal with dogging on islam always put us on the same webpage = )

      Peace

      1. Constantin Avatar

        Hi Moustapha,

        For the Lebanese, you’re right the economic situation drives them to the west, but how about the Christians in Irak, Sudan, Egypt, and many countries.

        I’ll tell you a story that happened to my cousin who used to work in Saudi Arabia: One day he was walking on the street in Riyadh, he encountered the religious police they stopped him (he is white and looks non-Saudi) and saw that he was wearing a pendant, so one of the religious police pulled the pendant out and saw he was wearing a cross, so he pulled the cross out of his neck threw it on the ground and kept walking. This story would never happen in the west, and if it happens the purpotrator would be tried in justice.

        Prophet, I know in Iran there are Christians, but frankly if they could leave to live in any western country they would.

        Finally, I am going next week to Lebanon for vacation, I can’t wait. I booked today my rental car at the airport. I am planning to visit many new places: The cedars reserves in the Chouf and the north, jabal el-cheikh and the surroundings, the sandy beach in Tyr and visit Broumana and sit in one of the cafes listen to the crickets and wonder to the fields of Pin trees and watch the villages on the mountains, I want to visit Jezzine and Nabatieh(1st time ever), the Tripoli old market and the Khan el-franj of Sidon, and eat knefeh from Sea Sweet every morning, etc….and go to Syria, it is the season of fresh pistachio, pomegrenate, and dates….I can’t wait….Akhhhh

      2. CONSTANTIN,

        I agreed with you on the lack of tolerance in some Muslim countries. But as far as the Christians in Iran, you have no evidence to you claim that they can not leave Iran if they wished to. I have seen no evidence to any claim that Christians in Iran can not practice their faith freely. Unless you show me any evidence, I’ll insist on my side of the story.

      3. Constantin, just to correct you, prior to the american invasion of iraq, christians were able to very freely practice christianity and were happy living there. it is because of what the americans did, that radicalism infiltrated iraq and a part of them were forced to leave (this comes from accounts of iraqis that I have met)

        In Iran, there are synagogues, churches and mosques. we may not like their islamic govt and their crossing of state and religion, but most of iranians feel the same way.

        the point being, that even muslim iranians in general would rather leave and live in the west…

        but you would be surprised to find out that jews have the right to leave and go to israel but refuse to do so.

        they have seats in the parliament, etc.

        so your generalization is inaccurate and unfair.

        I remember hearing these americans on cnn screaming that when iran will allow synagogues in tehran then the mosque should be build on ground zero. the reporter then told her that there are 16 of them already in tehran!

        another thing, yesterday they were talking about this nut job burning the Koran and this indonesian woman was interviewed and said that christians and muslims have lived side by side in indonesia with no problems for years, until this whole islamophobia and “war on terror” was declared and then radicalism starting rising. so you need to look thoroughly who to point your finger at and who is really to blame for all of this.

      4. Constantin, just to correct you, prior to the american invasion of iraq, christians were able to very freely practice christianity and were happy living there. it is because of what the americans did, that radicalism infiltrated iraq and a part of them were forced to leave (this comes from accounts of iraqis that I have met)

        In Iran, there are synagogues, churches and mosques. we may not like their islamic govt and their crossing of state and religion, but most of iranians feel the same way.

        the point being, that even muslim iranians in general would rather leave and live in the west…

        but you would be surprised to find out that jews have the right to leave and go to israel but refuse to do so.

        they have seats in the parliament, etc.

        so your generalization is inaccurate and unfair.

        I remember hearing these americans on cnn screaming that when iran will allow synagogues in tehran then the mosque should be build on ground zero. the reporter then told her that there are 16 of them already in tehran!

        another thing, yesterday they were talking about this nut job burning the Koran and this indonesian woman was interviewed and said that christians and muslims have lived side by side in indonesia with no problems for years, until this whole islamophobia and “war on terror” was declared and then radicalism starting rising. so you need to look thoroughly who to point your finger at and who is really to blame for all of this.

    2. moustapha Avatar

      Oh and one last point..

      this is why you find a lot of christians from lebanon live in these arab countries which is for the Money.

      And they live in compounds and do whatever they wish to as long as they respect the laws outside of the compounds walls. Food for thought =)

      So it is strictly for financial reasons and not anything else bro.

      Peace

      1. Moustapha,

        Do you agree then that since the majority of people voted against the minaret in Switzerland that this act became law and that the minaret became outlawed and that moslems should respect that?

        Also, living in a compound is a condescending idea for me as it is. Nothing to be proud of. What if the West decides that you wear the hijab ONLY inside of a compound. Outside you take it off mandatory. Then this becomes aggression for moslems but forcing women to wear hijab outside the compound in Saudi Arabia you say is not an act of aggression?

        Come on man you and I know that conservative Islam or conservative ANYTHING sucks. People should free the world of those fanatic idiots NOT give them excuses.

        But I am still for grabs for $200 / month I will wear the hijab, hell I will wear ANYTHING including the burka… LOL

      2. Moustapha,

        Do you agree then that since the majority of people voted against the minaret in Switzerland that this act became law and that the minaret became outlawed and that moslems should respect that?

        Also, living in a compound is a condescending idea for me as it is. Nothing to be proud of. What if the West decides that you wear the hijab ONLY inside of a compound. Outside you take it off mandatory. Then this becomes aggression for moslems but forcing women to wear hijab outside the compound in Saudi Arabia you say is not an act of aggression?

        Come on man you and I know that conservative Islam or conservative ANYTHING sucks. People should free the world of those fanatic idiots NOT give them excuses.

        But I am still for grabs for $200 / month I will wear the hijab, hell I will wear ANYTHING including the burka… LOL

      3. moustapha Avatar

        Walid,

        For your first question. Simply i answer yes, the Muslims should respect that law since it is the law of that country.

        On the other hand… I say the swiss have to be open with their countries true image which is to be bi-est against Muslims just as the Saudis are biased against anyone not Muslim. Cause then you are lying to every one saying you are a country that separates church and state and have freedom of religion, and are a neutral country.. yet you act in such a way which is deceiving. Where as the Saudis all out say it, if you come to Saudi you have to deal with our bullshit. Simple. Again it doesn’t mean i agree with their practices and perspective, cause personally, I highly disagree with them.

        You might find living in a compound condescending but where ever you go in the US.. living in a gated compound means you have money and living large ( i want to add.. eating shrimp and drinking champaign hehe.. ). Cause usually they are beautiful facilities for neighbors to safely interact with each other without worrying about strangers. And they have sports facilities and recreational facilities. And so the Saudi Gov. take that into consideration so they make their compounds 10 times nicer then they should since they still want the foreigner to come and work while not having to compromise what they want to force outside the gates of the compound.

        For the other point you were trying to make… if the west forces their people to wear hijab inside of the compounds i think both Muslim and non-Muslim westerners will not like that but then again they would have chosen it because in the west they supposedly have a democracy and not a forced king ship so I guess thats what the people of the west would want then i guess it will happen.

        With regards to the Hijab and i will add on the driving laws..

        I believe it is an act of aggression to force women to wear hijab and not drive, and i believe it goes against Islam to force people to believe or practice because the niyah is the most important thing, and if the person doesn’t have that then there is no point to force him/her into doing so. but i am not Saudi. If the Saudi’s believe it is an act of aggression then they should do something about it and change it. Until then it seems like they choose that for themselves and I have no right to decide what they want to do on their own land.

        Yet.. you see that their are big changes taking place. For the first time ever in Jedda they opened a market where women are working on the cashier registries.

        Lastly, conservative Islam or fundamental Islam does not suck, nor does conservative Christianity or fundamental Christianity suck. Allow me to correct you and be more clear…It is EXTREME of either conservatism or liberalism in any religion that SUCKS. EXTREMES are the problems we have. You can be conservative without having to force people and impose on them your will. But if you are extreme you would impose either conservatism or liberalism to an extreme.

        As a side note.. if people were to practice the fundamentals of their religion, be it any religion, we wont have hate,crime, poverty and wars.

        So yes WE SHOULD rid ourselves of all those FANATICS and EXTREMISTS because they are the cancer of our society.

        Man i LAUGHED SO HARD when you made that lat comment earlier.. Ta2ta2o khwasreh! =)

      4. moustapha Avatar

        Walid,

        For your first question. Simply i answer yes, the Muslims should respect that law since it is the law of that country.

        On the other hand… I say the swiss have to be open with their countries true image which is to be bi-est against Muslims just as the Saudis are biased against anyone not Muslim. Cause then you are lying to every one saying you are a country that separates church and state and have freedom of religion, and are a neutral country.. yet you act in such a way which is deceiving. Where as the Saudis all out say it, if you come to Saudi you have to deal with our bullshit. Simple. Again it doesn’t mean i agree with their practices and perspective, cause personally, I highly disagree with them.

        You might find living in a compound condescending but where ever you go in the US.. living in a gated compound means you have money and living large ( i want to add.. eating shrimp and drinking champaign hehe.. ). Cause usually they are beautiful facilities for neighbors to safely interact with each other without worrying about strangers. And they have sports facilities and recreational facilities. And so the Saudi Gov. take that into consideration so they make their compounds 10 times nicer then they should since they still want the foreigner to come and work while not having to compromise what they want to force outside the gates of the compound.

        For the other point you were trying to make… if the west forces their people to wear hijab inside of the compounds i think both Muslim and non-Muslim westerners will not like that but then again they would have chosen it because in the west they supposedly have a democracy and not a forced king ship so I guess thats what the people of the west would want then i guess it will happen.

        With regards to the Hijab and i will add on the driving laws..

        I believe it is an act of aggression to force women to wear hijab and not drive, and i believe it goes against Islam to force people to believe or practice because the niyah is the most important thing, and if the person doesn’t have that then there is no point to force him/her into doing so. but i am not Saudi. If the Saudi’s believe it is an act of aggression then they should do something about it and change it. Until then it seems like they choose that for themselves and I have no right to decide what they want to do on their own land.

        Yet.. you see that their are big changes taking place. For the first time ever in Jedda they opened a market where women are working on the cashier registries.

        Lastly, conservative Islam or fundamental Islam does not suck, nor does conservative Christianity or fundamental Christianity suck. Allow me to correct you and be more clear…It is EXTREME of either conservatism or liberalism in any religion that SUCKS. EXTREMES are the problems we have. You can be conservative without having to force people and impose on them your will. But if you are extreme you would impose either conservatism or liberalism to an extreme.

        As a side note.. if people were to practice the fundamentals of their religion, be it any religion, we wont have hate,crime, poverty and wars.

        So yes WE SHOULD rid ourselves of all those FANATICS and EXTREMISTS because they are the cancer of our society.

        Man i LAUGHED SO HARD when you made that lat comment earlier.. Ta2ta2o khwasreh! =)

      5. Moustapha,

        By conservative I really meant extremists. My bad!

        I was mainly acting as devil’s advocate to point certain people’s point of view.

  16. Here you go, when you cannot face reality, you start by making allegation. Just because I am not your kind of muslim, it does not mean I am an imposter.

  17. Ali, you’re such a unique creature. I refuse to be like you. Thank you very much.

    I refuse to go the same heaven you wish to go to.

    If I was to go to hell, I will demand a different hell.

    I won’t share hell with you.

    1. Great, so abhorring that you want the heat of hell to yourself.

  18. Constantin Avatar

    Prophet,

    I did not mean that they are forbidden or prohibited to leave Iran, no they are not, what I meant is that economically, socially or for family reasons or any other reason they cannot leave. Like in Lebanon, 80% of the Lebanese want to leave the country and live somewhere else, they envy us Lebanese living in the west, but they cannot leave for any of the above reasons, which by the way apply to the Shiaa Iranians themselves also, most of the them would leave if they could, but they cannot. Not because the government is not alowing them!

  19. CONSTANTINE,

    Thank you for the clarification. It seemed that you meant otherwise.

    An economic difficulty seems to be a common problem for most people in the Middle East. Poverty does not discriminate

  20. This particular church is trying to get some much needed attention. Ignorance and fear of Muslims will only complicate the strange world we live in and create hatred between Muslims and Christians.

  21. Leb-Syrian Avatar

    Ignorance of muslims? HELLO?! Its not the muslims burning the bible, its a bunch of nutjob weirdos that dont even deserve to be called christian. Yet we are ignorant cuz we are offended?! Get real!!!!

  22. Let them burn what they’re gonna burn, and don’t give a f(censored)k about

  23. Let them burn what they’re gonna burn, and don’t give a f(censored)k about

  24. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    Guys just FYI

    I had worn Lebanese Forces red stripe Cross tshirt while I was in Karachi Pakistan, no problem at all.

    I always have my neck silver cross chain during my trips to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, indonesia and egypt. Never faced with any problem. I will never remove it.

    1. moustapha Avatar

      Allahy 2awik ya 3ageeed! hahaha.. Hamdillah for that bro, and Allah yi7meek.

      How are you Jean? inshallah everything is well. Shou many twists and turns from our political perspective these few weeks.

    2. moustapha Avatar

      Allahy 2awik ya 3ageeed! hahaha.. Hamdillah for that bro, and Allah yi7meek.

      How are you Jean? inshallah everything is well. Shou many twists and turns from our political perspective these few weeks.

  25. Jean Haddad Avatar
    Jean Haddad

    Guys just FYI

    I had worn Lebanese Forces red stripe Cross tshirt while I was in Karachi Pakistan, no problem at all.

    I always have my neck silver cross chain during my trips to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, indonesia and egypt. Never faced with any problem. I will never remove it.

  26. moustapha Avatar

    CONSTANTIN! WOW! wish i could be there with you LOL!! Allah yobstak! Maybe you’ll meet up with Tony A lol i think he is there. If your going to saida to see khan il phrang while your at it there is a temple called ma3bad Ashmoun. Trust me, you won’t regret it. I promise you.

    With regards to what that religious officer did. It disgusts me and trust me us Muslims have a hard time with them just as much as a any other person from different confession does. Infact I am from the people who believes this whole religious officer deal is bullshit and should be abolished.

    But its like Muslims living in France, they are so racist they look at us as second class people, and treat us as their servants. You can find these acts in all countries bro, any where you go you will find a good and bad out of it.

    Also i have many many friends who are Egyptian kobtics, they are living large and wealthy in Egypt. With regards to the Christians in Iraq.. lets be fair.. its not like the muslims are living la vida loca.. every day people are dying like chickens, they live with no stability. Both confessions are victims of militias and agendas being played out on the people of Iraq from regional and supreme powers. Shiaa, Sunni, Christians are all being victimized by unknown groups who are payed to kill. Allah y khalison min hal fitan ou iy3eenon. Allah lay dawi2a la 7adan.

    Yalla khayeh Constantin. I pray you have a safe trip and a safe return, look forward to hearing from you.

    Allah ma3ak.

    Peace

  27. moustapha Avatar

    CONSTANTIN! WOW! wish i could be there with you LOL!! Allah yobstak! Maybe you’ll meet up with Tony A lol i think he is there. If your going to saida to see khan il phrang while your at it there is a temple called ma3bad Ashmoun. Trust me, you won’t regret it. I promise you.

    With regards to what that religious officer did. It disgusts me and trust me us Muslims have a hard time with them just as much as a any other person from different confession does. Infact I am from the people who believes this whole religious officer deal is bullshit and should be abolished.

    But its like Muslims living in France, they are so racist they look at us as second class people, and treat us as their servants. You can find these acts in all countries bro, any where you go you will find a good and bad out of it.

    Also i have many many friends who are Egyptian kobtics, they are living large and wealthy in Egypt. With regards to the Christians in Iraq.. lets be fair.. its not like the muslims are living la vida loca.. every day people are dying like chickens, they live with no stability. Both confessions are victims of militias and agendas being played out on the people of Iraq from regional and supreme powers. Shiaa, Sunni, Christians are all being victimized by unknown groups who are payed to kill. Allah y khalison min hal fitan ou iy3eenon. Allah lay dawi2a la 7adan.

    Yalla khayeh Constantin. I pray you have a safe trip and a safe return, look forward to hearing from you.

    Allah ma3ak.

    Peace

  28. I WOULD SAY NO TO BURNING THE QURAAN ENEN THOUGH I AM A CHRISTIAN IT IS ONLY FAIR BECAUSE WHO ATTACKED US ON 911 IS A FANATIC MUSLIM GROUP ALQUEIDA IT WAS NOT THE ENTIRE MUSLIM POPULATION OF 1.5 BILLION

    THAT CHURCH MAKING A MISTAKE IF THEY REALLY WANT TO HELP THEY SHOULD EXPLAIN TO AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT THE BIGGEST DANGER OF ALL ISLAM IS ALQUEDA TERROSSIT GROUP AND ASK PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO HELP US FIND OSAMA BIN LADIN AND HIS GROUP AND BRING THEM TO JUSTICE

    BURNING THE QURAAN WILL NOT SERVE AMERICA,S INTERREST BECAUSE IT WILL PUSH TOO MANY MODERATE MUSLIMS THAT THEY DO,NT WISH US NO HARM THE OPPOSIT WAY

  29. I WOULD SAY NO TO BURNING THE QURAAN ENEN THOUGH I AM A CHRISTIAN IT IS ONLY FAIR BECAUSE WHO ATTACKED US ON 911 IS A FANATIC MUSLIM GROUP ALQUEIDA IT WAS NOT THE ENTIRE MUSLIM POPULATION OF 1.5 BILLION

    THAT CHURCH MAKING A MISTAKE IF THEY REALLY WANT TO HELP THEY SHOULD EXPLAIN TO AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT THE BIGGEST DANGER OF ALL ISLAM IS ALQUEDA TERROSSIT GROUP AND ASK PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO HELP US FIND OSAMA BIN LADIN AND HIS GROUP AND BRING THEM TO JUSTICE

    BURNING THE QURAAN WILL NOT SERVE AMERICA,S INTERREST BECAUSE IT WILL PUSH TOO MANY MODERATE MUSLIMS THAT THEY DO,NT WISH US NO HARM THE OPPOSIT WAY

  30. politically and realistically speaking, the koran burning is very wrong. logically speaking, burning books (any book) is not necessarily smart. My personal opinion is that the koran has poisoned this planet with ignorance and I don’t give a damn if they burn it for the following reasons:

    1- muslims are cool until they start reading the koran and then they change to the the worst(backwards, ignorant, etc…)

    2- the absurd things muslims do are so crazy that tribes in the amazon can’t compete with (e.g. stonning, lashing, etc…)

    3- Mohamad married a 9 yr old girl; what a role model…need i say more

    4- right to marry 4 women as if women are some kind of object.

    5- fasting for the day but then pigging out at iftar, what’s he point? side note, i hate that #%& tabal that starts playing his #%& drums at 3:00 in the morning, there are alarm clocks nowadays but i guess muslims still want to live in the first millenia.

    The list can go on and on. this book is not worth the ink on its paper. the bottom line is that muslims are a reflection of their religion and this reflection is not that pretty. just look at lebanon for example and compare the muslim areas to non-muslim areas and you’ll see the difference. don’t even get me started with places like pakistan, afgha, etc… I think you get the point.

  31. politically and realistically speaking, the koran burning is very wrong. logically speaking, burning books (any book) is not necessarily smart. My personal opinion is that the koran has poisoned this planet with ignorance and I don’t give a damn if they burn it for the following reasons:

    1- muslims are cool until they start reading the koran and then they change to the the worst(backwards, ignorant, etc…)

    2- the absurd things muslims do are so crazy that tribes in the amazon can’t compete with (e.g. stonning, lashing, etc…)

    3- Mohamad married a 9 yr old girl; what a role model…need i say more

    4- right to marry 4 women as if women are some kind of object.

    5- fasting for the day but then pigging out at iftar, what’s he point? side note, i hate that #%& tabal that starts playing his #%& drums at 3:00 in the morning, there are alarm clocks nowadays but i guess muslims still want to live in the first millenia.

    The list can go on and on. this book is not worth the ink on its paper. the bottom line is that muslims are a reflection of their religion and this reflection is not that pretty. just look at lebanon for example and compare the muslim areas to non-muslim areas and you’ll see the difference. don’t even get me started with places like pakistan, afgha, etc… I think you get the point.

    1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      1- muslims are cool until they start reading the koran and then they change to the the worst(backwards, ignorant, etc…)

      BULL $HIT MY PARENTS BOTH READ THE QURAN MY MOTHER IS NOT EVEN COVERED AND THEY ARE THE NICEST PEOPLE EVER, AGAIN ANOTHER PERSON FILLED WITH HATE. I RESPECT YOUR RELIGION, AND I DONT MOCK YOUR RELIGION, NOR WILL I, BECAUSE I HAVE LOTS OF CHRISTIAN/CATHOLIC FRIENDS, BUT DONT THROW STONES IF YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. NO ONE IS PERFECT, AND THERE ARE NUTJOBS FROM EVERY RELIGION, SO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND SHOVE EM WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE. NEXT TIME I HOPE THE TABAL SMASHES HIS DRUMS ON YOUR HEAD AT 3 AM.

      1. lol LEB.

      2. lol LEB.

      3. I GUESS THE TRUTH HURTS, LOL.

      4. I GUESS THE TRUTH HURTS, LOL.

      5. leb-7omsi

        1- muslims are cool until they start reading the koran and then they change to the the worst(backwards, ignorant, etc…)

        2- the absurd things muslims do are so crazy that tribes in the amazon can’t compete with (e.g. stonning, lashing, etc…)

        3- Mohamad married a 9 yr old girl; what a role model…need i say more

        4- right to marry 4 women as if women are some kind of object.

        5- fasting for the day but then pigging out at iftar, what’s he point? side note, i hate that #%& tabal that starts playing his #%& drums at 3:00 in the morning, there are alarm clocks nowadays but i guess muslims still want to live in the first millenia.

        I see you and foustafa didn’t have a single legitimate response to my points, lol. your prophet was a child molester

        FYI i’ve peed on a tabal before from my 7th floor balcony

      6. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Dear Illait karameh,

        You know why you dont get a dignified response? Because you are not a dignified person. Simply put you are TRASH and SCUM of the earth. The world is a better place without the likes of you. I am not homsi, bas I’d pick homsi over whatever zbaleh you came from. And seems to me like you have a golden shower fetish, to be pissin on other men from a balcony.

      7. moustapha Avatar

        Points:

        1- muslims are cool until they start reading the koran and then they change to the the worst(backwards, ignorant, etc…)— ignorance is bliss.. and this statement in itself deserves no attention.

        2- the absurd things muslims do are so crazy that tribes in the amazon can’t compete with (e.g. stonning, lashing, etc…)— Is second my first reply since you sound like a silly kid.

        3- Mohamad married a 9 yr old girl; what a role model…need i say more — The most used BS statement for islamophobes. First of all yes he did marry a 9 year old but he refused at first but his best friend Abu Baker a huge figure in the community pleeded to have the honor of his daughter married to the prophet. He married her under the condition that he doesn’t enter her until she is 18. and he didn’t enter her until she was 18. Another thing you don’t realize is at THAT time girls become women when they physically reach maturity and at that time the girls were raised too be the back bone of the family and to take care of the house hold when they are kids. a boy became a man once he also reachs physical puberty. They had nothing at that time no phones, tv, schools, parks, xboxes, barbies, internet, cars nothing that makes their lives complicated. IT was simple.. if your a girl you learn how to take of your household and once you reach puberty you get married and have children and help raise your children. If your a boy you are raised to be the bread winner and work with sheep, wood, bartering, farming and getting married and having children to raise and provide for both children/wife and your parents and family when they grow old. So put that into context.

        Read the bible, thre are stories of intermarriages between brothers and sisters and all kinds of stories.. but you have to put everything into CONTEXT.. I can take sooooo many things from Christianity and Judaism and put them out of context but it is out right wrong and It doesn’t do my religion or confession any justice like what you think you are doing.

        1400 years ago, women were slaves and were used as objects so when you are married in Islam to a women at that time until now.. the man his duty is to provide and take care where as the woman can make money and own land but not have to share it with her family or husband.

        How about women now who are only viewed as sexual objects and mistresses and are subjugated to being a show to men when walking down the street. Does that play a better role in society. How about all dis-functional families our societies around the world are experiencing due to the lack of parenthood from both men and female roles. Children being rasied lost int his world, and elderly living alone with no one but a stranger if they are lucky to take care of them. Give me a break. There are problems with liberalism as much as their is in conservatism and there has to be a mid point between the two. If a WOMAN is allowed to walk in a bikini without being judged and criticized! then why can’t one choosing to cover her body parts from the gaze of others judged and criticized??? Where is the logic in this. IT IS FORBIDDEN TO FORCE A GIRL INTO WEARING HIJAB. IT IS FORBIDDEN TO FORCE SOMEONE TO BELIEVE IN ISLAM. UNDERSTAND THAT ISLAM IS SOMETHING AND MUSLIMS ARE SOMETHING ELSE. just like CHRISTIANITY IS SOMETTHING and CHRISTIANS ARE SOMETHING ELSE.

        IF you have a brand new PERFECT Mercedes that drives flawlessly and somebody drives it crashes it into a wall. Do you blame the drive or the car. OFCOURSE THE DRIVER.. and you wouldnt blame the CAR. Same thing judge Islam by the content you read and not by the actions of bad Muslims. At least look for good Muslims and look at their actions. If you are from devout chrisitian family then i believe you parents would have taught you that “kil il 3alam fiya khair ou barakeh” so act upon it.

        And your final comments. Really I have nothing to comment about since you really are a disturbed, racist, uneducated person. Your immaturity is despicable and the fact that you astute to such low degree of manners does me a disjustice to even have attempted writing any words since nothing will change your thought track you are a one minded person who acts no better then those un-Islamic Muslims who you are criticizing.

        Cheers!

        Peace

    2. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      1- muslims are cool until they start reading the koran and then they change to the the worst(backwards, ignorant, etc…)

      BULL $HIT MY PARENTS BOTH READ THE QURAN MY MOTHER IS NOT EVEN COVERED AND THEY ARE THE NICEST PEOPLE EVER, AGAIN ANOTHER PERSON FILLED WITH HATE. I RESPECT YOUR RELIGION, AND I DONT MOCK YOUR RELIGION, NOR WILL I, BECAUSE I HAVE LOTS OF CHRISTIAN/CATHOLIC FRIENDS, BUT DONT THROW STONES IF YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE. NO ONE IS PERFECT, AND THERE ARE NUTJOBS FROM EVERY RELIGION, SO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND SHOVE EM WHERE THE SUN DONT SHINE. NEXT TIME I HOPE THE TABAL SMASHES HIS DRUMS ON YOUR HEAD AT 3 AM.

    3. hahaha your an idiot!

    4. hahaha your an idiot!

    5. karim,

      If anything, you are a disgrace to your own name.

      The Name Karim means generous. Unfortunately, the only generosity you, and your name offer is a generosity in insults and hatred. If your name is really Karim, your parents regret their generosity of giving you such a name.

      I would not want to respond to all the insults you said, nor would I want to respond to your racism.

      All I’ll suggest to you is this: We do not need people like you in Lebanon. You don’t offer anything positive or peaceful. You are full of hate. I’m sure you hate yourself too. If you don’t like what you see, Stay as far away from Lebanon as you can. Lebanon is better off without people like you.

      Eat your heart out.

      1. rasul,

        Child molester represens the name rasul very well.

        you can’t respond to my FACTS not because you wouldn’t want to but because you’re embarassed about these FACTS. cheers mate!

        note to all, i am not going to reply to everyone here, I made my point and that iz zat, LOL.

      2. rasul,

        Child molester represens the name rasul very well.

        you can’t respond to my FACTS not because you wouldn’t want to but because you’re embarassed about these FACTS. cheers mate!

        note to all, i am not going to reply to everyone here, I made my point and that iz zat, LOL.

      3. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Prophet lol i posted the same thing in arabic before your post was approved haha thats funny man. Great minds think alike.

      4. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Prophet lol i posted the same thing in arabic before your post was approved haha thats funny man. Great minds think alike.

    6. karim,

      If anything, you are a disgrace to your own name.

      The Name Karim means generous. Unfortunately, the only generosity you, and your name offer is a generosity in insults and hatred. If your name is really Karim, your parents regret their generosity of giving you such a name.

      I would not want to respond to all the insults you said, nor would I want to respond to your racism.

      All I’ll suggest to you is this: We do not need people like you in Lebanon. You don’t offer anything positive or peaceful. You are full of hate. I’m sure you hate yourself too. If you don’t like what you see, Stay as far away from Lebanon as you can. Lebanon is better off without people like you.

      Eat your heart out.

    7. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      karim, ya 7wainait ismak feek, ma fi shi minnak bi 2adem karama, bil aks, killak illait karama w illait a5la2 w illait zo2. tfee 3ala haik nas.

    8. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      karim, ya 7wainait ismak feek, ma fi shi minnak bi 2adem karama, bil aks, killak illait karama w illait a5la2 w illait zo2. tfee 3ala haik nas.

    9. Karim , you should abstain from criticizing religion by itself and discuss it only from political and tolerance point of view .What the prophet Mohammad (salaam) married should be debated by religious scholars and as christian we shouldn’t do what the Moslem do when they try to teach us or explain to us that saying son of God is keffer, most of the moslem dont understand

      our religion and they stick to the surface or what thy hear from their religious leaders, and same applies for us , most of us hardly read the Koran and we hear things only like marry 5 and about women covers etc.. , the debate should be the tolerance and stopping the unfairness and discrimination and fear from other religion. Our issue is that Christians in the middle east or whatever left of us feel threatened and defeated and eventually we will not be a number that is worth talking about the way it is going now, as we are leaving by ourselves now as you can’t live in a country where you have a person that want you to live in Wilayat al Fakih and create a state on his own decreeing what good and what is not and who deserve to live and die , we are leaving not from fear but from disgust , as you can’t build a nation this way, every 5 step forward you make someone come every 20 10 or 20 years and take you to the stone age .

      The west or the previous Christian world didn’t progress and move ahead until they separate the church from the state , and that’s why it is a tolerant society because governments don’t discriminate there on religion basis, Obama a moslem technically reach the presidency and he’s black on top of it. I studied Islam only from a political point , and the religion of Islam is Din wa Dunia ,it means Islam could be or should be used as Sharia or law to govern the state that moslem are majority in, the problem that the moslem religion is like the jewish religion have too much inconvenience to build a democracy, that’s why Turkey Ataturk had to abolish the Islamic religion as Sharia and became a secular state that imposed the civil marriage and banned multiple marriage , and islamic inheritance law and gave right to the woman like the man ,same as Tunisia ,Bourkiba abolished the right to have multiple marriage.

      Currently most middle eastern state are in between, there is no standard to apply 1 Islamic law,in one country like Afghanistan The Taliban cover the the woman totally with risk of suffocation,so demeaning, and it is not required by the Koran .in Saudi Arabia the Eyes only, are allowed ,Stoning for Adultery in Iran and Afganistan, in Lebanon some wear the veil some not, in Iran the same issue,many Iranians ladies dont want the Islamic law to be applied,or the show I saw they want their husband to stop having the allowed pleasure marriage , same in Iraq currently ,the pleasure marriage is booming after it was banned by Saddam .

      It is confusing really, in lebanon every religion rule its own marriage ,divorce, inheritance system, the honor killing in Jordan became so bad that the queen of Jordan built a huge building to protect women that are being killed for honor, and most of them are innocent, who fall victim to the man they rejected to marry and end up dead, in Lebanon the government is afraid to prosecute moslem who kill for honor, the problem is Islam is not clear for the west,most west think wrongfully or not that Islam is an oppressive religion especially for women .Take Lebanon it is no problem for a moslem man to marry a christian lady but the opposite could result in the killing of the women and myself i know one case that almost resulted in that case if the couple didn’t run away from the country.It is really confusing,wherever you live in a so called Middle eastern country like Egypt, Lebanon, Syria , you wonder what’s applicable,Islam or constitution, forget Saudi we know it is Sharia or whatever am not sure 100 % , In Afghanistan one day the women is stoned ,banned from school, in Saudi Arabia no driving for women, what is the standard, Egypt in the 50’s was so open society and their movies were so open ,equals to Hollywood in showing women body dancing or etc,, and now belly dancing is almost banned not by government ,but by fear of religious fanatics,in Dubai you can order a prostitute from any country to come to your hotel, but it is what it is because the family there in Kuwait or Dubai can decide whatever,tomorrow will be something else, what is the standard,and it looks mainly for the western world all the Islamic religion turn around the women, take the woman out of the equation not sure what else the Middle east country have to control . Alcohol is the subject of Hypocrisy we know well most of the moslem consume good alcohol and many of my moslem friends consume good amount of alcohol,so what is it? is the state is obliged to make sure that all Moslem go to heaven or it is up to the individual itself, it is not clear really for the moslem it looks like , and for us is so confusing to see the contradiction . Turkey and Tunisia took initiative and find out there is no way that a country can prosper if you are going to marry 4 women and have 10 kids , let’s face it in Lebanon how you can support 4 wives and 20 kids and educate them ,with no welfare or free education and on top of it a corrupted government that since 1945 is run by Ali Baba thieves and Co. Islam have big issue to deal with , Christian Europe closed the chapter on religion and reached the moon, and my opinion (and many others Lebanese starting by ANtoun Saade ) if the state in the middle east don’t reach a secular state we will never have a free society and modern nations ,it will take 100 years or more unless a major thing happen and speed up the process .

      1. moustapha Avatar

        1st of all what is all this crap about marrying 4 ahve to do with you making a point to burn religious texts.

        Second of all i would rather have a man married to 4 with the consent of HIS WIVES then all the men of my society having mistresses left and right, cheating and having a divorce rate of for every marriage there is a divorce and the children are brought up with issues and a lack in their lives.

        Third if you read the quran it simply says marry 1,2,3 or 4 if you can be Just in all ways” and GOd responds after that, “and you (man) can not be Just” meaning you shouldnt marry 4.

        I do not know one single person who is married to more then 1. So please give me a brake about all your false propaganda.

        Tribalism is the reason behind the honor killings and not religion. Even Christians of the Middle East used to practice that.

        You sound like a hypocrite when you are advising Karim to not criticize religion but say Yes to burning a religious text.

      2. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Guss says:

        Karim , you should abstain from criticizing religion by itself and discuss it only from political and tolerance point of view

        ^lmao, its the blind leading the blind.

      3. Karim , you should abstain from criticizing religion by itself and discuss it only from political and tolerance point of view .What the prophet Mohammad (salaam) married should be debated by religious scholars and as christian we shouldn’t do what the Moslem do when they try to teach us or explain to us that saying son of God is keffer, most of the moslem dont understand

        our religion and they stick to the surface or what thy hear from their religious leaders, and same applies for us , most of us hardly read the Koran and we hear things only like marry 5 and about women covers etc.. , the debate should be the tolerance and stopping the unfairness and discrimination and fear from other religion. Our issue is that Christians in the middle east or whatever left of us feel threatened and defeated and eventually we will not be a number that is worth talking about the way it is going now, as we are leaving by ourselves now as you can’t live in a country where you have a person that want you to live in Wilayat al Fakih and create a state on his own decreeing what good and what is not and who deserve to live and die , we are leaving not from fear but from disgust , as you can’t build a nation this way, every 5 step forward you make someone come every 20 10 or 20 years and take you to the stone age .

        The west or the previous Christian world didn’t progress and move ahead until they separate the church from the state , and that’s why it is a tolerant society because governments don’t discriminate there on religion basis, Obama a moslem technically reach the presidency and he’s black on top of it. I studied Islam only from a political point , and the religion of Islam is Din wa Dunia ,it means Islam could be or should be used as Sharia or law to govern the state that moslem are majority in, the problem that the moslem religion is like the jewish religion have too much inconvenience to build a democracy, that’s why Turkey Ataturk had to abolish the Islamic religion as Sharia and became a secular state that imposed the civil marriage and banned multiple marriage , and islamic inheritance law and gave right to the woman like the man ,same as Tunisia ,Bourkiba abolished the right to have multiple marriage.

        Currently most middle eastern state are in between, there is no standard to apply 1 Islamic law,in one country like Afghanistan The Taliban cover the the woman totally with risk of suffocation,so demeaning, and it is not required by the Koran .in Saudi Arabia the Eyes only, are allowed ,Stoning for Adultery in Iran and Afganistan, in Lebanon some wear the veil some not, in Iran the same issue,many Iranians ladies dont want the Islamic law to be applied,or the show I saw they want their husband to stop having the allowed pleasure marriage , same in Iraq currently ,the pleasure marriage is booming after it was banned by Saddam .

        It is confusing really, in lebanon every religion rule its own marriage ,divorce, inheritance system, the honor killing in Jordan became so bad that the queen of Jordan built a huge building to protect women that are being killed for honor, and most of them are innocent, who fall victim to the man they rejected to marry and end up dead, in Lebanon the government is afraid to prosecute moslem who kill for honor, the problem is Islam is not clear for the west,most west think wrongfully or not that Islam is an oppressive religion especially for women .Take Lebanon it is no problem for a moslem man to marry a christian lady but the opposite could result in the killing of the women and myself i know one case that almost resulted in that case if the couple didn’t run away from the country.It is really confusing,wherever you live in a so called Middle eastern country like Egypt, Lebanon, Syria , you wonder what’s applicable,Islam or constitution, forget Saudi we know it is Sharia or whatever am not sure 100 % , In Afghanistan one day the women is stoned ,banned from school, in Saudi Arabia no driving for women, what is the standard, Egypt in the 50’s was so open society and their movies were so open ,equals to Hollywood in showing women body dancing or etc,, and now belly dancing is almost banned not by government ,but by fear of religious fanatics,in Dubai you can order a prostitute from any country to come to your hotel, but it is what it is because the family there in Kuwait or Dubai can decide whatever,tomorrow will be something else, what is the standard,and it looks mainly for the western world all the Islamic religion turn around the women, take the woman out of the equation not sure what else the Middle east country have to control . Alcohol is the subject of Hypocrisy we know well most of the moslem consume good alcohol and many of my moslem friends consume good amount of alcohol,so what is it? is the state is obliged to make sure that all Moslem go to heaven or it is up to the individual itself, it is not clear really for the moslem it looks like , and for us is so confusing to see the contradiction . Turkey and Tunisia took initiative and find out there is no way that a country can prosper if you are going to marry 4 women and have 10 kids , let’s face it in Lebanon how you can support 4 wives and 20 kids and educate them ,with no welfare or free education and on top of it a corrupted government that since 1945 is run by Ali Baba thieves and Co. Islam have big issue to deal with , Christian Europe closed the chapter on religion and reached the moon, and my opinion (and many others Lebanese starting by ANtoun Saade ) if the state in the middle east don’t reach a secular state we will never have a free society and modern nations ,it will take 100 years or more unless a major thing happen and speed up the process .

      4. Moustaph and Leb Syria, seems you can’t handle the truth, I wasn’t talking about moslem marrying 4 or 10 ,i was explaining what the christians understand from moselm religion, i could care less if they marry 1 or 100, no difference between marrying 10 and having 10 mistresses, by the way. I was talking in the concept that turkey and Tunisia banned it to avoid poverty and speed up development, and really i dont why you need to lie and say you never met a moslem who married more than one, KinG Saud to your info married legally over 500 women in the 50’s, and myself I am a christian and my aunt was married to a moslem Lebanese ( gentleman,have nothing against him) but he had another wife in Saudi Arabia , you don’t need to hide , just read what I wrote if you like it, but don’t reply to what suit you and run and lie,and don’t be ashamed , your religion allow it , I have a shiite fiend here who care less about his religion but himslef in Iran practiced pleasure marriage and he’s not ashamed , the Siite allow it , and there is no shame so he Jewish religion allow it so is the mormon, it is not my concern, in regard to killing for honor ,it is no tribal!! as you try to simplify it ,in Pakistan and Jordan and lEBANON IS DOnE BY MOSELM ,MAYBE FEW CASES by christian for sure , BUT IT IS ALLOWED IN THE MOSLEM RELIGION SO IS THE JEWISH to stone for adultery , but the problem in Jordan is not adultery , it is bigger and it is pure crimes committed in the name of honor , what is happening is if a man want to marry one and she refuse him, he will spread the news that she’s sleeping around and her family end up killing her,watch the Wife of the king Adbdallah interview.That’s the problem with moslem , if thing doesnt suit them they deny it,or avoid it because they are capable to discuss their religion and most of them hardly know well their religion except few , “same with Sep 11 , women and men y were dancing in streets in egypt women delivering sharbat for the victory ( sorry for them dont have any victory to record by the way ), but on TV the official say , Islam is the religion of peace ,just bunch of fanatic did it, same for the Cartoon bunch of fanatic wanted to burn the church in Achrafieh, but Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance, Islam is about tolerance but sorry no Coptic Egyptian can be elected to parliament , we are very tolerant ,one country is left in the Midle east named Lebanon and the moslem kept blowing it since 1936 they wanted to join syria, in 1958 they wanted to join Nasser,in 1968 Karami kept eh country 6 months without governemnt to protest the army trying to control the PLO ( we can see the result what happened to the country becaus of Karami) in 1975 the moufti said and I quote ” The army of the moslems Lebanese are the PLO” all this war in Lebanon and the agenda behind it is to finish with the Christian power , and if it wasn’t to the determination and the fight that the Christians put against the Libyan who paid the PLO ,Amal, Morabitoun 600 million dollars or close to a billion to finish the Christians, we will not be here,and yes we used Israel not because we love it was the only choice to face the barbarians who were planning to attack from Faraya in 1976 and declare Kleiaat as open city and have the chrsitians signed their defeat as ,per Kamal Joumblat book, but thanks to the real men like Gemayel and Chamoun we defeated the forces of darkness and evil like abou ayyad who declread ” the road of palestine pass by Jounieh”. It is the only christian country in the midle east , and now you have Nasrallah dreaming to bring Welayat al Fakih and rule bas fashar bi rakebtou, Tirkiya we hazamniha;again it is all about tolerance , for cHRISTIAN, FOR MOSELM WOMEN , WHO AS PER SHIEK FADLALLAH ( REPECT HIM MUCH FOR DECLARING THAT MOSLEM WOMEN DON THAVE TO COVER THEIR FACE AS IT IS DEMEANING) THE kORAN NO WHERE ASK TO SUFFOCATE THE WOMEN FROM TOP TO TOW “IT IS ABOUT TOLERANC I AM TALKING AND MOUSTAPHA AND LEB SYR STOP PLAYING GAMES AND HIDING MY ARTICLES , COWARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      5. Karim , you should abstain from criticizing religion by itself and discuss it only from political and tolerance point of view .What the prophet Mohammad (salaam) married should be debated by religious scholars and as christian we shouldn’t do what the Moslem do when they try to teach us or explain to us that saying son of God is keffer, most of the moslem dont understand

        our religion and they stick to the surface or what thy hear from their religious leaders, and same applies for us , most of us hardly read the Koran and we hear things only like marry 5 and about women covers etc.. , the debate should be the tolerance and stopping the unfairness and discrimination and fear from other religion. Our issue is that Christians in the middle east or whatever left of us feel threatened and defeated and eventually we will not be a number that is worth talking about the way it is going now, as we are leaving by ourselves now as you can’t live in a country where you have a person that want you to live in Wilayat al Fakih and create a state on his own decreeing what good and what is not and who deserve to live and die , we are leaving not from fear but from disgust , as you can’t build a nation this way, every 5 step forward you make someone come every 20 10 or 20 years and take you to the stone age .

        The west or the previous Christian world didn’t progress and move ahead until they separate the church from the state , and that’s why it is a tolerant society because governments don’t discriminate there on religion basis, Obama a moslem technically reach the presidency and he’s black on top of it. I studied Islam only from a political point , and the religion of Islam is Din wa Dunia ,it means Islam could be or should be used as Sharia or law to govern the state that moslem are majority in, the problem that the moslem religion is like the jewish religion have too much inconvenience to build a democracy, that’s why Turkey Ataturk had to abolish the Islamic religion as Sharia and became a secular state that imposed the civil marriage and banned multiple marriage , and islamic inheritance law and gave right to the woman like the man ,same as Tunisia ,Bourkiba abolished the right to have multiple marriage.

        Currently most middle eastern state are in between, there is no standard to apply 1 Islamic law,in one country like Afghanistan The Taliban cover the the woman totally with risk of suffocation,so demeaning, and it is not required by the Koran .in Saudi Arabia the Eyes only, are allowed ,Stoning for Adultery in Iran and Afganistan, in Lebanon some wear the veil some not, in Iran the same issue,many Iranians ladies dont want the Islamic law to be applied,or the show I saw they want their husband to stop having the allowed pleasure marriage , same in Iraq currently ,the pleasure marriage is booming after it was banned by Saddam .

        It is confusing really, in lebanon every religion rule its own marriage ,divorce, inheritance system, the honor killing in Jordan became so bad that the queen of Jordan built a huge building to protect women that are being killed for honor, and most of them are innocent, who fall victim to the man they rejected to marry and end up dead, in Lebanon the government is afraid to prosecute moslem who kill for honor, the problem is Islam is not clear for the west,most west think wrongfully or not that Islam is an oppressive religion especially for women .Take Lebanon it is no problem for a moslem man to marry a christian lady but the opposite could result in the killing of the women and myself i know one case that almost resulted in that case if the couple didn’t run away from the country.It is really confusing,wherever you live in a so called Middle eastern country like Egypt, Lebanon, Syria , you wonder what’s applicable,Islam or constitution, forget Saudi we know it is Sharia or whatever am not sure 100 % , In Afghanistan one day the women is stoned ,banned from school, in Saudi Arabia no driving for women, what is the standard, Egypt in the 50’s was so open society and their movies were so open ,equals to Hollywood in showing women body dancing or etc,, and now belly dancing is almost banned not by government ,but by fear of religious fanatics,in Dubai you can order a prostitute from any country to come to your hotel, but it is what it is because the family there in Kuwait or Dubai can decide whatever,tomorrow will be something else, what is the standard,and it looks mainly for the western world all the Islamic religion turn around the women, take the woman out of the equation not sure what else the Middle east country have to control . Alcohol is the subject of Hypocrisy we know well most of the moslem consume good alcohol and many of my moslem friends consume good amount of alcohol,so what is it? is the state is obliged to make sure that all Moslem go to heaven or it is up to the individual itself, it is not clear really for the moslem it looks like , and for us is so confusing to see the contradiction . Turkey and Tunisia took initiative and find out there is no way that a country can prosper if you are going to marry 4 women and have 10 kids , let’s face it in Lebanon how you can support 4 wives and 20 kids and educate them ,with no welfare or free education and on top of it a corrupted government that since 1945 is run by Ali Baba thieves and Co. Islam have big issue to deal with , Christian Europe closed the chapter on religion and reached the moon, and my opinion (and many others Lebanese starting by ANtoun Saade ) if the state in the middle east don’t reach a secular state we will never have a free society and modern nations ,it will take 100 years or more unless a major thing happen and speed up the process .

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        Posted by guss | September 11, 2010, 5:49 am

      6. moustapha Avatar

        GUSS,

        You are explaining what Christians understand from the Muslim religion. Wellll that says it alllll right Guss… the relation between the Christian understanding of the religion of Islam is a great way to justify why you are promoting the Burning of a religious text. Yes keep lying to yourself Guss. What utter nonsense.

        By the way you think you know what Christians understand about Islam yet you are far from the truth. The true Christians i know are compassionate, tolerant, understanding, loyal and respectful. All characteristics that your actions and words prove to say otherwise about you and you lack.

        First of all there is nothing to be ashamed about in Islam and nothing to Hide.. it is all in the open and the book is available for anyone to read and interpret-ate. So I don’t need to lie about anything to protect Islam.. Islam does not need me nor any human being to protect it. Its a miracle within itself and no matter what you or I do it is self preserved by its designer and creator.

        You are the one diverting, schemeing and lying with regards to the subject matter, you are attacking Islam in order to justify your actions and your twisted mentality. Its ok you are living a nightmare and you’ll probably stay in it.

        I said i don’t know anyone affiliated to me or affiliated to someone i am affiliated to that is married to more then one woman. So you telling me about somebody who is a royal king/dictator who does everything opposite to what a leader should act ins Islam ex: prostitution, drugs, using the poeple’s money to travel with two planes one for him on for just his food.. and he throws it away! so don’t tell me about his 50 or 100 wives. I wouldn’t be surprised.. but the POINT is it has nothing to do with ISLAM. Does molesting children have to do with Christianity? I’ll answer that for you. NO. So please lets be real.

        Now another thing is if you have a a pure intention for knowledge and have a spec of an understanding you would know that marriage is different then having mistresses. In Islam 1)you are NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE PLEASURE MARRIAGE! please be specific to what sect when addressing a specific ideology cause open the Quran or hadith and you wont find zawaj al mut3a as permissible 2)When a man is married HE is OBLIGATED And it is HIS DUTY TO PROVIDE all the wives needs and the needs of the children they have to his utmost capability not to forget having to commit to a beginning dowry and ending dowry in-case there is to be an unjust divorce. The wife on the other hand has the right to work make money and keep it all to her self while being taken care of. 3) the man is not allowed to amrry another wife if his wife doesnt consent to it and if shit hits the fan she can divorce him. NOw comapre that to a mistress which is someone you screw for dinner whenever you have the time. Yes i c the relationship between the two GUSS it is clear as mud isn’t it.

        You obviously have no knowledge about Islam, about the sects that have derived from it and no understanding of History. You can claim and look into the past about how we Muslims wanted to take your Christian country away from you but you forget that it wasn’t 100 yrs ago when Lebanon was under 1 Islamic empire for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years..and the people of this area lived peacefully as brothers/sisters and both went thorough hardships of what ever calamities that struck the empire. and its not until the French came in, colonized and divided the empire that the Christians of our area abandoned their muslim brothers and went for a foreigner because they saw that they might be able to give them power. SO we can go back and forth on the whole blame game but that is not where i want to get at.

        We are at a time where we have a country for Lebanese and not Muslims or Christians or Druze and that is what its about. Until you get that through your skull the likes of your mentality will always bring the country down.

        Still what an ignorant person you are to go against all of your belief system (Christianity) and preach exactly what the devil within you is promoting. No matter how many Qurans you burn it doesn’t amount to anything cause the book it self is a text book yet the Quran it self is in the content of that book which no one can erase no matter how much you try. And any Muslim who reacts with violence to any hate crimes or provocations towards Islam is as ignorant as you are.

        Peace

      7. moustapha Avatar

        GUSS

        Dont miss the response that didnt show until God knows when since they put it into moderation.

        You claim Leb-Syrian and I never respond when we have factually and logically responded to all your racist and hypocritical points.

      8. moustapha Avatar

        GUSS

        Im’a keep reminding you to check the comment. Since you claim we never respond to your comments. Since bitkazibna last time around.

  32. JOSEPH,

    Well said.

    I doubt that, burning the Quran by a crazy idiot would push moderate Muslims the opposite way. My concern is that extremists would use this as another stupid excuse for their terrorist activities. Imagine some crazy extremist Muslim responds by burning a bible or a church?

  33. JOSEPH,

    Well said.

    I doubt that, burning the Quran by a crazy idiot would push moderate Muslims the opposite way. My concern is that extremists would use this as another stupid excuse for their terrorist activities. Imagine some crazy extremist Muslim responds by burning a bible or a church?

  34. moustapha Avatar

    Karim,

    It says a lot about how educated you are to make such statements about the Koran and Islam. And your heart is obviously tainted since you feed off of depicting Islam as an evil/backward religion. And make statements that are completely out of context to depict which ever way suits your agenda.

    I can rebuttal every single thing you have stated which I have many times to others on this site. but the truth of the matter is your approach shows ignorance and is venomous, so id rather not waste my breath on you and keep you ignorant since you will to be that way.

    The saddest part is you are a Lebanese brother disrespecting my confession just because you think you are better and you let your ego get to you. You think because there are people who think different from you then they deserve to be disrespected because they don’t share your confession or beliefs. You see one event and you generalize and you blindly label the rest of the people. Is that what your standards of civility are? Does putting random false stereotypes that are taken out of context help you sleep better at night?

    Very disappointing Karim. You do a great job in preserving sectarianism and ta3asob.

    Anyone who thinks or believes their faith or beliefs will look better off of disrespecting and accusing others beliefs falsely are doing to themselves and their confession damage and a discredit.

    Peace

  35. moustapha Avatar

    Karim,

    It says a lot about how educated you are to make such statements about the Koran and Islam. And your heart is obviously tainted since you feed off of depicting Islam as an evil/backward religion. And make statements that are completely out of context to depict which ever way suits your agenda.

    I can rebuttal every single thing you have stated which I have many times to others on this site. but the truth of the matter is your approach shows ignorance and is venomous, so id rather not waste my breath on you and keep you ignorant since you will to be that way.

    The saddest part is you are a Lebanese brother disrespecting my confession just because you think you are better and you let your ego get to you. You think because there are people who think different from you then they deserve to be disrespected because they don’t share your confession or beliefs. You see one event and you generalize and you blindly label the rest of the people. Is that what your standards of civility are? Does putting random false stereotypes that are taken out of context help you sleep better at night?

    Very disappointing Karim. You do a great job in preserving sectarianism and ta3asob.

    Anyone who thinks or believes their faith or beliefs will look better off of disrespecting and accusing others beliefs falsely are doing to themselves and their confession damage and a discredit.

    Peace

  36. I WOULD SAY NO AGAIN AND AGAIN TO BURNING THE QURAAN IS A BIG MISTAKE BESIDE THIS PASTOR DOES,NT REPRESENT 300 MILLIONS AMERICANS HE ONLY HAVE 50 MEMBERS IN HIS CHURCH HIS STUPID ACT WILL NOT HELP AMERICA AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BESIDES OUR CONSTITUTION SAYS FREEDOM OF SPEECH FREEDOM OF RELIGION IT DOES,T SAY FREEDOM OF DESTOYING OTHER PEOPLE BOOKS OR PROPERTY HE SHOULD FACE A LEGAL ACTION IF DOES THAT HE WILL BE BRAKING THE LAW AND SHOULD BE TRIED FOR THAT

  37. I WOULD SAY NO AGAIN AND AGAIN TO BURNING THE QURAAN IS A BIG MISTAKE BESIDE THIS PASTOR DOES,NT REPRESENT 300 MILLIONS AMERICANS HE ONLY HAVE 50 MEMBERS IN HIS CHURCH HIS STUPID ACT WILL NOT HELP AMERICA AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BESIDES OUR CONSTITUTION SAYS FREEDOM OF SPEECH FREEDOM OF RELIGION IT DOES,T SAY FREEDOM OF DESTOYING OTHER PEOPLE BOOKS OR PROPERTY HE SHOULD FACE A LEGAL ACTION IF DOES THAT HE WILL BE BRAKING THE LAW AND SHOULD BE TRIED FOR THAT

  38. George Haddad N.J Avatar
    George Haddad N.J

    Prophet somewhere up there asking Walid about his opinion about Wali Al Faqih and its fear and its not popular or supported in Lebanon. Even its not popular in Lebanon ya Prophet that doesn’t mean it cannot be implemented by force. Many March 14th supporters believe hezbollah and its surrounding supporters believe Iran is an angel sent from heaven. To us there is as much devil as israel okay. Having said that many iranians do not believe in their gov’t and supports it. yet they have subdued the population since the uprising in 1988 when grand Ayatollah Khomeini crushed the revolt against the islamic republic and thousands were killed. As of last year many iranians killed simply because they were protesting the votes. The reason i am going to back to Iran beacuse we March 14th believe that you are following wholeheartdly the nation of iran and its implementing its plans and wills in lebanon and everywhere as of late also iraq. Hezbollah were attacking US troops in Iraq as of late. What are you buddies doing there? Iran has sent several intelligence officers and generals to syria. hezbollah, several palestinians groups and even al qaada have met in syria and discussed plans to attack israel and the us troops. Even a month ago from the mouthpiece of iranian general Javili i believe his name was. He said we don’t have to be afraid of israel when we have many fronts in lebanon, palestine, iraq and afghanistan. Even several hezbollah leaders have said if iran was attacked, we will not sit idly by. So if Iran forcing its people to accept the rules of the rulers Khameini and the strong resistance in lebanon following the orders of this rulers..What make you think 10 yrs from now after having to capitulate most of the leaders and weaken sunnis and christians by dividing them as they’re doing now. Even many moderate shiites who have risen against hezbollah. I have not heard them much since over a year now. Everyone is intimidated by them and fearfull of them. What make you think that hezbollah will not decide to implement the rules of they Ayotollah or mullahs of iran totally in lebanon including the waliat al faqih. we’re not afraid of the moderate shiites. But we certainly are afraid of iranian influence over the hezbollah for the long term and having hezbollah do iran biddings in lebanon as they see fit.

    1. George,

      I have to insist that your paranoia is blocking you mind to the point of dangerously self defeating.

      The idea that HA or would impose Wilayat alfakieh on Lebanese is unrealistic for many reasons. The support of Wialyat alfaqieh among Lebanese Shiia consist only on HA members and their immediate families. The greatest majority of HA followers and supporters do not believe in it, and won’t supported it.

      HA can not and will not be able to force Wilayat al faqieh on Lebanon, because they can’t force it on their fellow Shiia. So your fear is not justified at all. The shiaa of Lebanon are different historically, culturally, and intellectually from the Iranians.

      HA Swims in a supportive environment, and would easily suffocate if this environment is to be forced into something as important as this.

      I’m not here to defend the Iranian regime, nor am I here to Condon the way Iranian police dealt with the protesters. I realize that Iran has its own problems. I don’t underestimate those problems either.

      Although the opposition was crushed by Iranian authorities, they never won the election. They were protesting the concept of wilayat al faqieh.The support of wialayt al faqieh is wearing thin.

      But I have to remind you that the supreme leader is elected by a special counsel, and still have a thin majority. Technically speaking, you can’t even say that it is being forced on Iranians yet.

      That being said, the concept of wilayat al faqieh is, and will be the most important problem to deal with, especially when Khaminai dies. My humble knowledge tells me that unless they resolve this question (Wilayat Al Faqieh), they’ll have bigger problems.

      1. George Haddad N.J. Avatar
        George Haddad N.J.

        Prophet without totally reading your blog. I can sense what are you going to say. Even if Wilayat Al Faqieh is not let say implemented in 10 yrs from now. But Its my strongest beliefs that Syria and hezbollah assasinated Hariri and many good people with him. And afterward like Samir Qassir and Walid Eido and Gemyal and gibran Tueini and Colonel Wisam who was responsible for the investigations. Having said that, they (hezbollah) is trying to tell us if we’re indicted then they’re threatening with civil strife. They want to kill people and then accuse someone else of it. They want to force their opinion on us not just on the STL. But also tried to force the gov’t to accept the before to control surveillance of the airport and control the communications network. When gov’t tried to stop them, then we all know what happened in May of 2008. We all know it was Hezbollah who pushed israel into war in 2006. Despite your beliefs that it was war in the making. If it was, then israel was caught unprepared. Knowing the history of israelis war with arabs, they always prepared better. No doubt hezbollah was a strong hit and run fighters. But again you say what that go to do with Wilayat al faqih. Its again hezbollah trying to force their opinions on us in many ways in lebanon. So what stops later when time is convient is to control the whole nation after week regimes in the arabs. The US is busy with let’s war with North Korea. Israel is busy with war in Iran.. There were many moderate forces in the shiite community coming out in 2006 and before then where they were oppenly pposing hezbollah. I do not hear any more of these voices anymore. The moderate shiites do not have strong voice anymore and no one else dares to challenge hezbollah. that’s what i am getting at. If Walid said nothing really wrong with the wilayet al faqih and he’s right about it. Then i do not mind it. But its the people who are running the show not the religious aspect of it. Its like in iran, can you really tell me honestly if their leaders are being good to their people? can you really tell me that their leaders are using this religious part not to oppress their people?

        Again i am not afraid to confront you because i can tell you’re moderate and you have your bias toward hezbollah. But again i am afraid of Qassam, Nassrallah and not true followers of Imam Moussa al Sadr where the latest rumors mentioned Iran as helping Libya to remove him. Enough said!

      2. George, why cant you wait for those findings of STL?? why are you again rushing and jumping to conclusions?

        who cares what your “strong beleif” tells you, you have no evidence of anything.

        If they indict anyone of them, then you can say that, until then, refrain from judgement because your whole post seems biased after you say something like that.

      3. George, why cant you wait for those findings of STL?? why are you again rushing and jumping to conclusions?

        who cares what your “strong beleif” tells you, you have no evidence of anything.

        If they indict anyone of them, then you can say that, until then, refrain from judgement because your whole post seems biased after you say something like that.

      4. George,

        To disagree is one thing; to be disagreeable is another

        You are really making a Fatoush salad now. You are throwing everything in the mix again.

        You keep repeating the same things over and over. No one can win an argument here. If you write me back before even reading my whole comment, what good is a debate?

        Your back with same accusations and speculations regarding the murder or Hariri, and the others, when Hariri just apologized to Syria for falsely accusing them.

        I won’t discuss those accusation because , you have already made up your mind.

        Talking about fear of this, fear of that, I can tell you that everyone in Lebanon has fears. You want people to take your fears into consideration, yet you disregard the fears of others.

        You want to recognize your heroes, and disregard of the heroes of others.

        This debate really resembles the Lebanese national problem. Regardless what the issue is, people won’t listen to others. Everyone is fearful, and selfish. Where is this nation going, when you have leaders who are proud of their collaboration with the enemy? Do you know how scary that is? Do you ever think about the other side’s fears?

        You keep going back to 2006 war. Even Israelis admit that they had planned to launch a war that year. Even Nasrallah said he would not have done it, had he known it was going to start a big war.

        I reject your use of the term “Moderate Shiia”. There is no such thing as moderate shiia. Those who do not support HA or Amal are not doing so for their own political reasons. It isn’t about being moderate or not. Ahamd Al assad is trying to bring back the fudal shiite leadership his father and grandfather lead . He was giving $20 billions by the usa, and $20billions by the saudis. Sayed Ali Alamin who was always a berri supporter, and owes his position to Berri, was pissed that He was not giving Quabalan’s position. The Sabea family has been allied with the Harris since the early nineties. It’s the fear of loosing the family’s political leadership .

        If there is any fear of intimidation ,it’s the fear of the Amal thugs. You obviously know so little about the shiia community in Lebanon. You believe any propaganda your march 14th puts out.

      5. George,

        To disagree is one thing; to be disagreeable is another

        You are really making a Fatoush salad now. You are throwing everything in the mix again.

        You keep repeating the same things over and over. No one can win an argument here. If you write me back before even reading my whole comment, what good is a debate?

        Your back with same accusations and speculations regarding the murder or Hariri, and the others, when Hariri just apologized to Syria for falsely accusing them.

        I won’t discuss those accusation because , you have already made up your mind.

        Talking about fear of this, fear of that, I can tell you that everyone in Lebanon has fears. You want people to take your fears into consideration, yet you disregard the fears of others.

        You want to recognize your heroes, and disregard of the heroes of others.

        This debate really resembles the Lebanese national problem. Regardless what the issue is, people won’t listen to others. Everyone is fearful, and selfish. Where is this nation going, when you have leaders who are proud of their collaboration with the enemy? Do you know how scary that is? Do you ever think about the other side’s fears?

        You keep going back to 2006 war. Even Israelis admit that they had planned to launch a war that year. Even Nasrallah said he would not have done it, had he known it was going to start a big war.

        I reject your use of the term “Moderate Shiia”. There is no such thing as moderate shiia. Those who do not support HA or Amal are not doing so for their own political reasons. It isn’t about being moderate or not. Ahamd Al assad is trying to bring back the fudal shiite leadership his father and grandfather lead . He was giving $20 billions by the usa, and $20billions by the saudis. Sayed Ali Alamin who was always a berri supporter, and owes his position to Berri, was pissed that He was not giving Quabalan’s position. The Sabea family has been allied with the Harris since the early nineties. It’s the fear of loosing the family’s political leadership .

        If there is any fear of intimidation ,it’s the fear of the Amal thugs. You obviously know so little about the shiia community in Lebanon. You believe any propaganda your march 14th puts out.

    2. George,

      I have to insist that your paranoia is blocking you mind to the point of dangerously self defeating.

      The idea that HA or would impose Wilayat alfakieh on Lebanese is unrealistic for many reasons. The support of Wialyat alfaqieh among Lebanese Shiia consist only on HA members and their immediate families. The greatest majority of HA followers and supporters do not believe in it, and won’t supported it.

      HA can not and will not be able to force Wilayat al faqieh on Lebanon, because they can’t force it on their fellow Shiia. So your fear is not justified at all. The shiaa of Lebanon are different historically, culturally, and intellectually from the Iranians.

      HA Swims in a supportive environment, and would easily suffocate if this environment is to be forced into something as important as this.

      I’m not here to defend the Iranian regime, nor am I here to Condon the way Iranian police dealt with the protesters. I realize that Iran has its own problems. I don’t underestimate those problems either.

      Although the opposition was crushed by Iranian authorities, they never won the election. They were protesting the concept of wilayat al faqieh.The support of wialayt al faqieh is wearing thin.

      But I have to remind you that the supreme leader is elected by a special counsel, and still have a thin majority. Technically speaking, you can’t even say that it is being forced on Iranians yet.

      That being said, the concept of wilayat al faqieh is, and will be the most important problem to deal with, especially when Khaminai dies. My humble knowledge tells me that unless they resolve this question (Wilayat Al Faqieh), they’ll have bigger problems.

    3. “Hezbollah were attacking US troops in Iraq as of late. What are you buddies doing there?”

      Huh??

      George, seriously, where do you get your info from??

      if this were true, it would have been blasted all over the news!!!

    4. “Hezbollah were attacking US troops in Iraq as of late. What are you buddies doing there?”

      Huh??

      George, seriously, where do you get your info from??

      if this were true, it would have been blasted all over the news!!!

      1. George Haddad N.J Avatar
        George Haddad N.J

        Cathy look who’s talking about being impatient. Isn’t your buddies and their allies who are attacking the STL on daily basis? why are they rushing to attack it then? Why do they want to abolish it unless the feel guilty? if the’re innocent they should prove themselves in the international court. It looks to me they’re convicted themselves and the proof in the putting..Why don’t ask them to stop attacking the STL before its annouces its ruling then?

      2. George Haddad N.J Avatar
        George Haddad N.J

        Cathy look who’s talking about being impatient. Isn’t your buddies and their allies who are attacking the STL on daily basis? why are they rushing to attack it then? Why do they want to abolish it unless the feel guilty? if the’re innocent they should prove themselves in the international court. It looks to me they’re convicted themselves and the proof in the putting..Why don’t ask them to stop attacking the STL before its annouces its ruling then?

      3. George Haddad N.J Avatar
        George Haddad N.J

        Hezbollah members caught over in Iraq and they confess to attacking and training fighters to attack us troops. Its been all over the news from a while ago..

      4. George Haddad N.J Avatar
        George Haddad N.J

        Hezbollah members caught over in Iraq and they confess to attacking and training fighters to attack us troops. Its been all over the news from a while ago..

      5. credible sources please george…if this is true, its news to me.

        but I would like a credible source because I read and listen to the news daily and have never heard of this.

      6. credible sources please george…if this is true, its news to me.

        but I would like a credible source because I read and listen to the news daily and have never heard of this.

    5. George – They don’t feel guilty at all, they are trying to get away with murder, isn’t it obvious?

  39. George Haddad N.J Avatar
    George Haddad N.J

    Prophet somewhere up there asking Walid about his opinion about Wali Al Faqih and its fear and its not popular or supported in Lebanon. Even its not popular in Lebanon ya Prophet that doesn’t mean it cannot be implemented by force. Many March 14th supporters believe hezbollah and its surrounding supporters believe Iran is an angel sent from heaven. To us there is as much devil as israel okay. Having said that many iranians do not believe in their gov’t and supports it. yet they have subdued the population since the uprising in 1988 when grand Ayatollah Khomeini crushed the revolt against the islamic republic and thousands were killed. As of last year many iranians killed simply because they were protesting the votes. The reason i am going to back to Iran beacuse we March 14th believe that you are following wholeheartdly the nation of iran and its implementing its plans and wills in lebanon and everywhere as of late also iraq. Hezbollah were attacking US troops in Iraq as of late. What are you buddies doing there? Iran has sent several intelligence officers and generals to syria. hezbollah, several palestinians groups and even al qaada have met in syria and discussed plans to attack israel and the us troops. Even a month ago from the mouthpiece of iranian general Javili i believe his name was. He said we don’t have to be afraid of israel when we have many fronts in lebanon, palestine, iraq and afghanistan. Even several hezbollah leaders have said if iran was attacked, we will not sit idly by. So if Iran forcing its people to accept the rules of the rulers Khameini and the strong resistance in lebanon following the orders of this rulers..What make you think 10 yrs from now after having to capitulate most of the leaders and weaken sunnis and christians by dividing them as they’re doing now. Even many moderate shiites who have risen against hezbollah. I have not heard them much since over a year now. Everyone is intimidated by them and fearfull of them. What make you think that hezbollah will not decide to implement the rules of they Ayotollah or mullahs of iran totally in lebanon including the waliat al faqih. we’re not afraid of the moderate shiites. But we certainly are afraid of iranian influence over the hezbollah for the long term and having hezbollah do iran biddings in lebanon as they see fit.

  40. What a dumbass “pastor”. He’s probably getting these ideas of burning holy books from all the PCPs he’s been swallowing along with his on the go budweiser mini keg.

    The evangelical church itself are no different than this pastor in regards to its hate for Islam although they don’t say it out in the open as much.

    A pretty sad result from all the CIA inspired brainwashing using these puppet pastors to control the ignorant masses and cause trouble.

  41. What a dumbass “pastor”. He’s probably getting these ideas of burning holy books from all the PCPs he’s been swallowing along with his on the go budweiser mini keg.

    The evangelical church itself are no different than this pastor in regards to its hate for Islam although they don’t say it out in the open as much.

    A pretty sad result from all the CIA inspired brainwashing using these puppet pastors to control the ignorant masses and cause trouble.

  42. George Haddad N.J Avatar
    George Haddad N.J

    Here is a good article about Imam Moussa Al Sadr disapperance..

    http://www.nowlebanon.com/Sub.aspx?ID=125478

  43. George Haddad N.J Avatar
    George Haddad N.J

    Here is a good article about Imam Moussa Al Sadr disapperance..

    http://www.nowlebanon.com/Sub.aspx?ID=125478

  44. this guy is only looking for some attention religion is like a mirrore to your heart you are attaking each other like no tommorrow and you thing we will have a peacefull country iam glad thats all of you are out of lebanon and stay where you are peace for all

    1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      Joey, shut up. Im surprised your not using this opportunity to spew your vemon about islam, like you have before. Trashbag.

    2. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      Joey, shut up. Im surprised your not using this opportunity to spew your vemon about islam, like you have before. Trashbag.

  45. this guy is only looking for some attention religion is like a mirrore to your heart you are attaking each other like no tommorrow and you thing we will have a peacefull country iam glad thats all of you are out of lebanon and stay where you are peace for all

  46. Leb-Syrian Avatar

    GUSS,

    HOW ABOUT JUST RECENTLY WHEN A MOSQUE WAS BURNED IN TENNESSEE? DOES THAT MEAN I HATE ALL CHRISTIANS? HELL NO! I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHY WHEN A COUPLE OF MUSLIMS DO SOMETHING BAD, YOU AUTOMATICALLY ATTACK THE WHOLE MUSLIM RELIGION, YET WHEN ITS SOMEONE CHRISTIAN, IT IS SO DOUBLE STANDARD, AND YOU ONLY ATTACK THAT PERSON. ACCORDING TO YOU GUS, ONLY THE MUSLIMS ARE THE CANCER OF THE WORLD, IF THAT IS SO, THEN ALL JAILS WOULD BE FILLED WITH MUSLIMS? INCORRECT. IF YOU LOOK IN A JAIL IN THE USA, THE BIGGEST MINORITY RELIGION IS PROBABLY MUSLIMS. DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AL QAEDA IS A PROJECT MADE TO TARNISH THE IMAGE OF ISLAM? GUS, YOU ARE NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN, AS, A DEVOUT CHRISTIAN WOULD NOT JUDGE OTHERS BASED ON THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY I WASTE MY TIME REPLYING TO YOU. BUT YOU AND KARIM ARE BOTH DISCUSTING, FI5AR YKASSER BA2DO, YOU BOTH MAKE ME SICK.

  47. Leb-Syrian Avatar

    GUSS,

    HOW ABOUT JUST RECENTLY WHEN A MOSQUE WAS BURNED IN TENNESSEE? DOES THAT MEAN I HATE ALL CHRISTIANS? HELL NO! I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHY WHEN A COUPLE OF MUSLIMS DO SOMETHING BAD, YOU AUTOMATICALLY ATTACK THE WHOLE MUSLIM RELIGION, YET WHEN ITS SOMEONE CHRISTIAN, IT IS SO DOUBLE STANDARD, AND YOU ONLY ATTACK THAT PERSON. ACCORDING TO YOU GUS, ONLY THE MUSLIMS ARE THE CANCER OF THE WORLD, IF THAT IS SO, THEN ALL JAILS WOULD BE FILLED WITH MUSLIMS? INCORRECT. IF YOU LOOK IN A JAIL IN THE USA, THE BIGGEST MINORITY RELIGION IS PROBABLY MUSLIMS. DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AL QAEDA IS A PROJECT MADE TO TARNISH THE IMAGE OF ISLAM? GUS, YOU ARE NOT EVEN A CHRISTIAN, AS, A DEVOUT CHRISTIAN WOULD NOT JUDGE OTHERS BASED ON THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. I DONT EVEN KNOW WHY I WASTE MY TIME REPLYING TO YOU. BUT YOU AND KARIM ARE BOTH DISCUSTING, FI5AR YKASSER BA2DO, YOU BOTH MAKE ME SICK.

  48. George Haddad N.J Avatar
    George Haddad N.J

    To Cathy and Prophet! you keep saying i am making accusations. But its hezbollah and their allies who are accusing the STL and attacking it without any rulings that came out yet. Why don’t criticize them first for rushing into judgment without any proofs of the rulings then? the more they attack it, then to me its a feelings of guilt. Otherwise they should just shut up and we should all do by the way until the rulings comes out. But don’t judge me because i have strong feelings that they had strong motives. Second hezbollah and their allies are the ones who are rushing to judgment by attacking the STL that will indict them? according to you the STL has not issues any rulings right? so why are they again rushing to judgment? tell me…

    1. GEAORGE , IT WAS THE SAME STL THAT PUT FOUR OFFICERS IN JAIL FOR NO REASON. AND NO ONE SAID YOU CAN’T CRITISIZE EITHER.LEARN TO LISTEM BUDDY.DAMN YOU, WHY DO I LIKE YOU?LOL

    2. GEAORGE , IT WAS THE SAME STL THAT PUT FOUR OFFICERS IN JAIL FOR NO REASON. AND NO ONE SAID YOU CAN’T CRITISIZE EITHER.LEARN TO LISTEM BUDDY.DAMN YOU, WHY DO I LIKE YOU?LOL

      1. george haddad n.j Avatar
        george haddad n.j

        Yes it was the STL who put them but they released them not cleared them. It was a mistake jailing someone without trying them as much as i hated all four officers. But again they never cleared them of wrongdoings. All I was saying if hezbollah and their allies are attacking the STL assuming they will convict them? so then you don’t let at least express my opinion by saying look if you attack the STL by assuming they’re going to convict you. Then you’re like vindicating yourself? second if you threaten on TV ya Mr. Nassrallah by saying we don’t want to go back to events like May 2008. then what are you leading up to? these things makes you wander why all the attacks and threatening of civil strife if you’re not guilty? please there is no way the STL is going to just convict them based on False witnesses? or based on words from any witnesses. Again i keep repeating myself if you go out there and threatens to kill people if accused. that’s not an innocent person.. That’s all i can say about it. Syria have killed many leaders and many lebanese. so what makes hariri any different from them? or walid eido? or journalist and writer Samir Kassir? or Gibran tueni? if it was israel that killed him, why Prophet they didn’t kill him in France then? Mossad have been killing palestinians abroad over and over again. The latest was in Dubai right? so why wait til Gibran come to lebanon and kill him the next day? just use logic instead of biased support toward your party of allah..

      2. george haddad n.j Avatar
        george haddad n.j

        Yes it was the STL who put them but they released them not cleared them. It was a mistake jailing someone without trying them as much as i hated all four officers. But again they never cleared them of wrongdoings. All I was saying if hezbollah and their allies are attacking the STL assuming they will convict them? so then you don’t let at least express my opinion by saying look if you attack the STL by assuming they’re going to convict you. Then you’re like vindicating yourself? second if you threaten on TV ya Mr. Nassrallah by saying we don’t want to go back to events like May 2008. then what are you leading up to? these things makes you wander why all the attacks and threatening of civil strife if you’re not guilty? please there is no way the STL is going to just convict them based on False witnesses? or based on words from any witnesses. Again i keep repeating myself if you go out there and threatens to kill people if accused. that’s not an innocent person.. That’s all i can say about it. Syria have killed many leaders and many lebanese. so what makes hariri any different from them? or walid eido? or journalist and writer Samir Kassir? or Gibran tueni? if it was israel that killed him, why Prophet they didn’t kill him in France then? Mossad have been killing palestinians abroad over and over again. The latest was in Dubai right? so why wait til Gibran come to lebanon and kill him the next day? just use logic instead of biased support toward your party of allah..

  49. George Haddad N.J Avatar
    George Haddad N.J

    Cathy as far as us forces caught hezb members before. I will look it up and paste it on this site.

  50. George Haddad N.J Avatar
    George Haddad N.J

    Cathy as far as us forces caught hezb members before. I will look it up and paste it on this site.

  51. FOUR LONG YEARS GEORGE………… YET NO ONE IS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

    1. George Haddad N.J Avatar
      George Haddad N.J

      Four long years for these 4 general is not enough. Jamil Al Sayed the brutal prosecuter who broke the backs of lebanese. or the head of security the spymaster for syria. or the other generals who were traitor to lebanon and worked for Syria’s interest and didn’t care about lebanon interest. I say to those who are catching the israelis spies. These generals were not just spies to syria. They were accomplice to many murdered lebanese. If i was the president, i would have burnt these bastards long time ago.

  52. Again, Syria Syria Syria, YOU NEED TO GO TO A SYRIANPARANOIAREHAB CLINC GEORGE.

    I ‘ve had it with you. you gave me a high blood pressure, made me loose few pounds, and made the rest of my hair grey.lol

    1. George Haddad N.J Avatar
      George Haddad N.J

      And you guys are israeliparanoia too. Israel withdraw from lebanon and its willing to leave Ghajar. why we keep wanting to fight them?

      Sorry but if Nassrallah and Aoun and wahab stops acting like maniacs and out of control. then all our blood pressures will go down and our hair and our weights will go back to normal lol.

      sorry but its my intentions to cause you such thing. just kidding man..

  53. Is This How You Wish Your Muslim friends a good hoilday?lol

    1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      Lol well prophet, in all fairness you never wished him a happy holiday.

      happy rosh hashanah george!!

      LOL, jk bro.

      1. LOL LEB.

        I still like him though,lol

  54. I gave you a finger for that.lol

  55. Whole towns are being built because of the bararic Israeli destructions . Thousands of innocent people were murdered,and you blame me for my ISRAELIPARANOIA?

    1. george Haddad N.J Avatar
      george Haddad N.J

      And yes i can say the same things about Syrian troops who nearly demolished tripoli and east beirut many times over. Also bombed the plo camps and tortured many lebanese and deny even to date they have lebanese prisoners in their jail. How is your hair now Prophet lol..And Leb-Syrian thanks for the wishes. Is that merry christmas in Homsi Language..

      1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Lol I was just kidding George, and my Syrian family is from Dimashq not Homs :).

      2. GeorgeDon’t take the wrong side of an argument just because your opponent has taken the right side.

  56. Greeting my muslims brothers. I wish you all a blessed Ramadan and Eid Muburak. Allah be with you and your families on this special occasions. Hope you all enjoy it and be safe. Prophet I am watching you. Do not drink Arak Bro..just kidding. Happy Eid El Fitr everyone. And Cathy behave yourself too lol.

    1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      Thanks Elias, and I hope you don’t mind me asking, are you syrian?

      1. LEB-SYRIAN no i am not syrian. I am from the North of Lebanon. But I have had great relationship with syrians throughout the times i was in lebanon. I regard them as my brothers and I have several muslim sheiks who used to visit us from syria. They were devout muslims and honest and great human beings. I have had my run-in with a greek priest who visited my house one day and asked for food. He was a also the best and honest priest i have ever known. Many priests are crooks in lebanon and all they care about money. Anyway i have had great relationships with many syrians overall. Happy ramadan Bro..

      2. Leb-Syrian Avatar

        Alright Elias,

        Was just curious. Only reason I asked was because most of the Syrian christians I’ve met had the same stance and more of an understanding towards muslims that you have. Not to say that all Lebanese christians dont like muslims, because that is not true, but I’ve always felt a more inter-faith love in Syria, and I dont think I’ve ever seen Syrian Christians bashing Syrian Muslims. Just an observation.

  57. lol ELIAS,

    Thank you for the kind and warm wishes.God bless you and your loved ones.

  58. moustapha Avatar

    LOL! Eid mubarak ya Rab to all my brothers and sisters. Elias..luk taltak 3a ya Libnan is a blessing bro. Allah yi7meek.

    Peace

    1. Thank you and same for your family too. Al barkee fiek Bro and God be with you and family too. I hope to meet you in the South someday when i get to visit lebanon again.

      Forget this George H and Tarie the israeli mossad. These guys are hard knocks israeli trained. Do not respond to them and you’re wasting your time. no need to loose weight or hair over their stupid and unreliable messages..

      Ramadan Kareem inshallah..

    2. Thank you Moustapha and God be with you and your family.

  59. My Eid Wish For All My Muslim Friends:

    I Hope Your Eid Is Filled With

    Smiles, Laughter, Joy, and LOTSA Salami. Eid Mubarak

    1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      prophet as long as its beef or turkey salami! hehe

  60. LOL LEB, HALAL,LOL

    1. Leb-Syrian Avatar

      lol in all seriousness, everytime my mother tried to act a little religious and buy halal meat here, it ended up being rotten lmao. She has since then stopped, thankfully! haha

  61. george Haddad N.J Avatar
    george Haddad N.J

    Prophet you say: “GeorgeDon’t take the wrong side of an argument just because your opponent has taken the right side”.

    That’s a nice way to twist it around my friend. But I am really tired of hearing that israel is the enemy which is true. And Syria nuked us for 30 yrs and destroyed lebanon and i am still hearing up to date they were our brazzers as Maria puts it. Well just because they were nice to your buddies in hezbollah land, they treated us as they the israelis treated you. You say we have friendly relationship with syria. Who said so? you and Nassrallah? how can a brother kill another and call it friendly killing? how can a brother steal my money and my property and call himself a brother? how can a brother destroy my country and i should be nice to him because he’s next door. Well let me tell you something. The syrian rulers acted no different that their israelis conspirators. They destroyed lebanon and had no mercy on it. They tortured us to the extreme. Neither one had any regards for human lives. I would have more respect for Nassrallah now if he had ever asked the Syrian gov’t to release the lebanese prisoners. I would be happy if he shuts up about the STL and let it annouces its ruling first. I wish he shuts up about these so called false witnesses whom one in syria and the other in god knows where..

    Husem Husem in syria after falsfying his report, shouldn’t the syrian gov’t torture this guy? and Saddiq whom the STL did not take into accounts his testimoney. WHy are they concentrating now on false witnesses? Qassem wants to try them. then let syria hand over husem the intelligent officer who still reports directly to bashar. Has a nice restuarent in chotoura where he uses it to coordinate between lebanon and syrian officials. Stop killing lebanese and beg for forginess before the whole sunnis community rise against you in lebanon syria. repent my fellow hezbollah and beg for forgivness on Ramadan so God will forgive you and maybe lebenese can forgive you. Time to stop being iranians and be lebanese as you claim to be.

  62. George,

    Convincing yourself does not win you an argument.

    Using strong and bitter words can only be understood as a weak cause, which means the stronger the words ,the weaker the argument.

    You have such selective memory.

    You remember what suits you, and block out what doesn’t. It’s easy to bring back historical events that you don’t want to remember, and use it against you. By doing that, I won’t gain anything, but I will only remind you of few facts;

    You should ask the people who invited them in.

    You should remember that they came in to protect the phalange party and their allies… It’s the same party that was receiving help from Israel. That really makes Sami proud of his history, doesn’t it?

    You should remember that When Kamal Jumblat,and Arafat were about to destroy the sectarian system , it was Syria who came in and helped Chamoun, and Gemayel.

    Unless all Lebanese take responsibility for allowing Syria to control Lebanon, we’ll spend the rest of our life blaming each other. When are Lebanese going to start take responsibility for their own mistakes?

  63. it was a very bad and unmanly event.Jones is not a real vicare and even he doent believe in Jesus because some one that bilieves God,respect to all the religions.Qoraan is also a holy book that has peaceful massages.if some one is against to Quraan,if he reads it he will see that he was wrong.every day we see that a part of sientcefull points is found in this holy book.Cristians & Muslems shouldn’t be enemy to eachother.all of us believe in God & burning the holy books such as Bible and Quraan is really shaelessly and a great sin…they insult to GOD.shame on them…let,s think why they burnt Quran…its clear…they are frighten of Quran,s logical massages…ofcourse the greatness of Quran will never be under question by these foolish doings…

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