3 Lebanese accused of spying for Israel arrested in Lebanon

3 Lebanese spied for IsraelThree Lebanese men were arrested under suspicion of being Mossad spies who were conspiring to organise a revolt and unrest in the country.

Lebanese security officials arrested three men last weekend for spying on behalf of the Israeli intelligence authority, Mossad, since 2015.

Hezbollah-affiliated Al-Manar television network broke the news , while the pictures and alleged confessions of the three men were published on the internet. The three’s arrests were published last week in the Al-Akhbar newspaper, which is also affiliated with the Hezbollah . The  three men were identified as Karem Akram Idris, Kamal Ajud Hassan and Abbas Mustafa Salameh. They are all Lebanese citizens who have allegedly spied on behalf of Israel. According to Al-Akhbar, the cell’s key operative, instructing its members from afar, is also a Lebanese citizen who is currently in Israel.

The three men confessed to have made contacts with Israelis on numerous occasions. Hassan admitted to meeting Israeli officials on 11 occasions including Israeli army Spokesperson Unit’s Arab Media Liaison, Major Avichai Adrei, and an agent named Yosef Fahar.

It’s thought that the men were instructed to take photographs of Hezbollah artillery stations in the city of Al-Qusayr, located on the outskirts of Homs not far from the Lebanon-Syria border, where Hezbollah’s involvement in the civil war in Syria and the Beqaa Valley had begun.

Salameh is said to have made contact with Israeli officials through social media networks, offered to photograph several areas in southern Lebanon and provide information about military sites and places belonging to the Lebanese political parties.

It’s alleged that the captives offered to start a revolt in Lebanon in exchange for payment. They boasted of being able to organise rallies in an effort to smear Hezbollah.

ME Monitor

  • Hind Abyad

    Dangerous neighbours, disgusting ‘Lebanese’ thugs selling their country i hope
    they rot their useless lives in prison.

    “It’s alleged that the captives offered to start a revolt in Lebanon in exchange for payment. They boasted of being able to organise rallies in an effort to smear Hezbollah.

    (..) in the city of Al-Qusayr, located on the outskirts of Homs not far from the Lebanon-Syria border, where Hezbollah’s involvement in the civil war in Syria and the Beqaa Valley had begun.”

    Ya! The Syrian “Revolution” begun by massacring Christians. Qusseir is a Christian town where SFA dessecrated Churches installed Sharia law, residents became refugees, they came back after Hezbollah liberation..

    • יוסף בן-ישראל

      You even don’t live in Lebanon, who is the traitor ?

      • Y K

        She’s doing her patriotic duty by draining the Zionist Canadian Treasury of welfare money. 🙂

        • Hind Abyad

          Zionism is a mental disease you’re it’s tragic living proof.

          • Barry

            No denial on the welfare money, LOL. So that is where my money goes when I visit!

          • Hind Abyad

            Haha.. come tell it in my face..better go to Paris. tell it to the directrice du Louvre;-) Illiterate Zionist

          • Hannibal

            Hilarious! Coming from a welfare state dweller he should talk.

      • Niemals

        You do not need to insult the mood, she does not even live in Lebanon.
        She will complain to her Liberal Senator in Westmount……. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/333880cf83f617f59d4ba330742a1c8088a29cc54a1fef927c7805c9d78d42c4.jpg (Source: http://www.middleeasteye.net/)
        It is the worst kind of traitor as one can be.

        • יוסף בן-ישראל

          I knew she was Canadian, indeed.

          • Niemals

            Only Canadian 🤑 ….

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            I mean, I knew she lived in Canada, I guessed she was Canadian.

          • Niemals

            Perhaps a Palestinian Arab….

          • Hind Abyad

            Nianimal’s Guest is busy..

          • Hind Abyad
          • Hind Abyad

            Contineu discussing me with that sicko

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Je discute de ce que je veux avec qui je veux.

          • Hannibal

            That is fair but not discussing somebody else with a third person without involving them in the discussion. You are better than that. Do not be amoral like Aniemals 😉

          • Y K

            She is not. In fact, she hates (English-speaking) Canada because it’s run by “Rothschild Zionists”. She pretends to love Quebec, because in her fantasy world, the Québécois hate Jooz. Or something like that. 🙂

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Sometimes I wonder if she is even for real.

          • Hind Abyad

            What a stupid man, i came here as a college French student.
            How do you manage your government paid job?

            “Discussion on Harry’s Place 46 comments
            Fathom 18 Out Now!

            Y K- MehtaKultur 19 minutes ago
            No need to exaggerate. From what I’ve seen, most are quite well-adjusted. The comment was meant to indicate that the Russian speakers in Israel and their welfare are far from being Putin Russia’s priority.

            Y K- Jurek Molnar 28 minutes ago
            Putinoid Russia is a gangster state. Since Israel has tons of first-hand experience in dealing with such entities (after all, it is surrounded by them), it can communicate with the Putinoids better than the hapless Europeans and the remote and not-always-too-bright Americans. This does not make Israel and Putin’s Russia allies. Far from it. They are strategic adversaries with an extremely limited field of common interests.

            Y K -Fernanda 2 hours ago
            I’m pretty sure this will be widely publicized in the mainstream media”
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            Discussion on Ya Libnan News 83 comments
            3 Lebanese accused of spying for Israel arrested in Lebanon

            Y K- Omega 38 minutes ago
            Two bedsheet-sized cut-and-pastes from “Counterpunch” and one from “Electronic Intifada”. You’re really outperforming yourself, pal. This time you’ve even earned a smiley. 🙂

            Y K – יוסף בן-ישראל an hour ago
            She is not Canadian in any meaningful sense. In fact, she hates (English-speaking) Canada as it is run by “Rothschild Zionists”. She pretends to love Quebec, because in her fantasy world, the Québécois hate the Jooz. Or something like that. :-)…….
            (more for all day work)

          • Barry

            Came as a student. Stayed as a welfare parasite! No wonder you admire anti Zionist Jews. You have that in common.

          • Hannibal

            The welfare parasite is actually Israel in its entirety if you are seeking the truth. The US gives them $2 billion (with a B) every year from American Tax money. No wonder why American run a $670 billion deficit. You have a parasitic leach sucking the U.S. bone marrow.

          • Barry

            Actually it is 3 billion, and every penny goes towards American military equipment. Egypt gets 2.5 billion. Dozens of nations gets in the billion range or hundreds of millions, not including the tens of billions spent in Iraq and Afghan (and Germany, UK, South Korea, Japan and 100+ countries with US presence).
            Your point is that somehow this 3 billion affects the multi trillion dollar US economy. Let me summarize my Economics degree for you: No, it does not.
            But nice try in turning the conversation away from a welfare leech in Canada to Israel’s (booming) economy.
            Keep it up! Meanwhile, a contact with knowledge of Chinese tourism just told me about the enormous number of Chinese flooding Israel right now, instead of traditional hot spots. Record numbers.
            But I am sure you with your keyboard will really hurt the Israelis….

          • Hannibal

            whatever it is for, military or otherwise, it is still US money and your country begs for it. Use your own money. Thank you very much…
            How does it feel when a Chinese tourist asks about the past and you tell them a lie?
            Do you show them the concentration camps of the Palestinians and teach them how to usurp Taiwan, Tibet etc.?

          • Niemals

            Quebec has passed a law that would make it illegal for Muslim women, and other individuals, who cover their faces to receive public services, including riding public buses.

            Members of the provincial legislature voted 65-51 in favour of the legislation on religious neutrality, known as Bill 62, on Wednesday morning.

            The law forces citizens to uncover their faces in order to receive or give public services in the French-speaking province.

          • Barry

            Since I am technically Quebecker (notice Anglicization), I can say the greatest Jew hatred is reserved for Neturei Karta types like Lev Tahor, an anti Zionist group that came to Canada to escape Israel, collect benefits, weird out the locals, and sexually abuse kids (a true hallmark of the anti Zionist haredi world). They are tolerant of almost all other Jews, including Orthodox.
            On the other side, let them tell you about Muslims….not going to be a positive convo…Hind should stay in the basement of whatever home the Canadian govt gave her. She is not welcome in most places.

        • Hind Abyad

          I was against separation, till Fascist Netanyahoo implanted Zionism virus with lapdog Stuffint Harping, the Evangelical moron who destroyed Canada’s reputation,

          Canada of Lester B.Pearson.
          “Oct.12, 1957, Canadian awarded for creation of U.N Peacekeepers”

          Québéc will never become Goyim slaves of Zionizm Inc.
          The Middle East and Eu chaos planned 100 yrs ago bears
          fruits today, as opening peoples eyes…
          Deficient parasite.

      • Hind Abyad

        Soyez pas ridicule ce que vous dites n’est ni rationnel ni contextuel, lisez l’article et arrêttez d’insulter

        • יוסף בן-ישראל

          “et arrêttez d’insulter”

          L’Hôpital qui se fout de la Charité…

          • Hind Abyad

            Allez. ‘Next Time, We Won’t Spare Lebanon’:
            Christian Media Hears Doomsday Warning From
            Senior Israeli Minister

            ‘Its infrastructure, international airport and government facilities – it’s all game,’ Naftali Bennett tells first-of-its-kind Christian Media Summit in Jerusalem

            https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.817905

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Est ce que vous comprenez seulement ce que j’écris ?!

          • Hind Abyad

            Allez discuter avec vos amis..

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            C’est ce que je fais. Je ne passe pas mon temps sur votre site, soyez en certaine.

      • Hannibal

        The traitor is your ancestor who left Europe.

        • יוסף בן-ישראל

          My ancestor left Judea to follow the Arab invaders to Spain. סבי, שמו דוכן. ס״ט

          • Hannibal

            Show me the proof… For all I know you are a Moroccan.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            I showed you already a proof. The birth certificate of my grand-grand…mother Khemissa Dukhan. My family doe not come from Morocco.

          • Hannibal

            Then you are an Arab. Dukhan: nom correspond à l’arabe dukhâ qui signifie tabac ou fumée.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Dukhan write in Hebrew דוכן. That means “Lutrin”, it was the name given to Cohanim in the time of inquisition, because they were Cohanim who put the Torah on the דוכן on shabbat. But I excuse your ignorance, you are not supposed to know that. If you know how to decipher Hebrew in Rashi script :

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cdf8f833d117bb2f092d9a810a4e04c93a6a7d561a9110eaaa1fba4f72bf44a4.jpg

          • Hannibal

            I disagree… khamissa means Thursday in Arabic and Doukhan means smoke.
            Her name in Arabic translates to Thursday Smoke. Before ANY Arab conquest, what were the many jews doing in Arabia? Let me tell you… They were all nomads like the Arabs. The logic you follow does not compute. You just said that your ancestors went to Spain. Do you claim that Spain is Jewish? At the end of the day modern Palestine had all kind of people including Palestinian jews. The return of the many nations jews to Palestine displaced people who have been there for 2000 years plus. That is simply wrong. The only thing you can say: well OK tough luck. We took the land by force and we will keep expanding and what are you gonna do about it? That is where your neighbors will step in and push back. It is called war. Good Luck!

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Khemissa writes חמישה in Hebrew and means “five”. it’s just a translation in Arabic of a Hebrew name. Myself I have two names Yosef, for the synagogue and a regular western name. My mother had three names one French, one Hebrew and one Arab. It is usual in diaspora. But the name דוכן is a regular Hebrew name, sorry.

          • Hind Abyad

            It’s not a translation, Arabic-Hebrew are Semitic language.
            You’re a hell of a funny man.. Haha…

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Arabic and Hebrew are not the same language. If they were they would have the same name. Thus it is a translation from one to the other. That is the exact definition of the world translation in this context (other wise it is a mathematical term and I assume you are not interested in). For example, market in Arabic is “suk” in Hebrew it is “shuk”, they write the same שוק but the shin pronounce “sh” for the Hebrew word ans “s” for the Arabic. And since the letters are also different we can talk of a translation and not just a variation.

          • Niemals

            Is Hind suddenly a linguistic expert on YOUR language?

            Why she is not just sticking to her upper class of Lebanese group that are French ‘educated’?

          • Hannibal

            Are you still here? Go pounce sand moron.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “They were all nomads like the Arabs” Explain that to the Jews of Yathrib…

          • Hannibal

            I am with you… What was done to yathrib is wrong. Islam was used by the Arabs to conquer. They spread rather quickly and then retracted a bit.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Ho, we find here a very interesting common ground. Worth noticing.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “That is simply wrong” In your logic it’s wrong, but not in mine.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “That is where your neighbors will step in and push back” Most of Jews in Israel come from Arab land today. We are home, we just moved.

          • Hannibal

            Not true… The Arab jews were 1-2 percent of the population. and YES they belong in their respective countries. Lebanese jews cry when they mention Lebanon. One Lebanese jew said on his death bed I wish I could be buried in Lebanon not Israel. A Lebanese jew is Lebanese NOT Israeli and the Palestinian jew is Palestinian NOT Israeli. The rest of the jews were converts to judaism and immigrants from European and Russian background. A Russian jew today has zero connection to a French jew. They think different they eat different their culture is different. When you bring them together to make a “nation” they have NOTHING in common. So, while some of you may be home the majority would be better off in their hometowns in Poland, Russia, Germany etc.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            WIth all due respect, you don’t know nothing about Jews.

          • Hannibal

            with all due respect all my neighbors in the US are jews and they agree with me.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            According to Wikipedia :

            Mizrahi Jews in Israel constitute one of the largest Jewish ethnic divisions among Israeli Jews [1] numbering about half of Israeli Jews[2] The other dominant sub-group are the Israeli Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews. Often Mizrahi and North African Sephardic Jews in Israel are grouped together due to the similarity of their history under Muslim rule and an overwhelming migration out of their countries of residence during the 20th century.

            If you add Mizrahim and Sefardim, you largely outnumber the Ashkenazim.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Ha you have jewish friends ? Good ! I have Lebanese friends 🙂

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “The rest of the jews were converts to judaism”

            We do not proselytise, conversion to Judaism is very difficult. There is no such thing as Jews are converted. A few of them, sure but a very small minority. That is why we invented the notion of the 7 Noahide Laws, taken from the 10 commandments. We honor every civilisation that respect these laws as sincerely as if they were jewish. That is our way to cohabit with other Peoples.

            http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

          • Niemals

            “The rest of the jews were converts to judaism” said Hannibal…., did he “Meet the Jew who wants America to bomb North Korea”?
            Of all the Jews in the world, the one who controls the greatest firepower is not necessarily Binyamin Netanyahu or the current commander of Israel’s Air Force. It appears the distinction is held by the Chief of Staff of the US Air Force, General David Goldfein. (https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2017/10/23/) – probably one of those jews that converted to judaism…..

            A Christian mission is an organized effort to spread Christianity by sending individuals and groups, across boundaries, most commonly geographical boundaries, for the purpose of proselytism (conversion to Christianity, or from one Christian tradition to another).
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c804f201808e0a41e0684420e2d77d1cc6087ce1287ddddd46ebb4c9331036da.jpg 7. Jahrhundert Fränkische Darstellung von Jesus aus Niederdollendorf in Deutschland.

            Dawah, Islamic missionary work (in Arabic, “calling”) to Islam.

            Islam spread rapidly from the Arabian Peninsula to the rest of the world through trade and exploration or Muslim conquests.
            The purpose of Islamic missionary activity is to deliver the message revealed by God through Prophet Muhammad to the world. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18c73a4639a4f017ec11e62e44b105de43c4620e388dd99eea0d13d827b11e93.png
            Age of the Caliphs
            Braun: Expansion under Muhammad, 622–632
            Orange: Expansion during the Rashidun Caliphate, 632–661
            Yellow: Expansion during the Umayyad Caliphate, 661–750

            Today it is done too by radical Islamists distributing free Koran copies in German and other EU cities. 25 million copies are to be brought under the people.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ce34c72257c3d62b7f30fe02cdd962b9cac076d285350e76e5f8621edc450f6.jpg Salafisten in Offenbach: “Christen und Juden kommen in die Hölle”
            After ban in Germany and raids a New campaign appear:
            Instead of Koran, the Salafists now distribute Mohammed biographies…..

            I have noticed that conversion to Judaism is very difficult.
            I done the search for articles containing: Jewish mission.
            Jewish mission No matching articles found

            As you say, there is no such thing as Jews are converted.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            BTW, every name in Hebrew has a meaning:

            – Yosef means “he will add”
            – Yitzhak means “he will laugh”
            – Yaacov means “heel” (or he follows)
            – Laban (Yaacov’s uncle) means “white” (because he lived in what is now Lebanon)

            etc…

          • vs

            also every letter in Hebrew, Proto Sinaitic, Phoenician has a meaning, alef – bull, god, spiritual, bet – house etc.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Sure, but not the same level of signification. The Torah is a book where the names were not distributed by chance. For the alef-bet, the choice are not so clear, why these hieroglyphs and not some others have been chosen ?

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            About Alef: the word אִלֵּף does not mean precisely bull but “tamed”, and yes bulls are tamed for being able to work for us. It is only by semantic slipping that Alef means bull (and not in Hebrew).

          • Hannibal

            Alef means alif (tamed) and the reference to God in Aleph is the alpha (the beginning) and the Omega (the end). God is not a bull. vs is a blasphemer.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            I understand you, and him too. But, there is no Omega in Hebrew (don’t forget that we invented god, we have the patent 🙂 Omega is in Greek, far after the Hebrew Bible was written. But that’s true that god is called Ein-Sof (אין סוף) in the jewish Kabalah, meanind un-ended or infinite. And in Hebrew we get א-ת (alef-Tav) the beginning and the end (of the Hebrew alfabeit).

            Now, at the time of Jesus, about 2000 years ago, there was a competitive religion to early-Christianity, in the Roman military: Mitra, the cult of the bull. There are altars for Mitra all around in Europe even up to Scotland.

            http://www.ahrc.ac.uk/ahrc/cache/file/E382BA3A-8969-4820-AF4FD1829FBAF1DA_medium.jpg

            The bull represented the false gods, the one (calf actually) the Hebrews built at the foot of mount Sinaï when Moshe was negotiating with god on top about the laws for his people 🙂

          • vs

            All alefbet is “tamed” for being able to work for us)

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            I never heard that alef could represent god ? אל yes, but El (Allah) is not alef. And in the Kabalah god is deisgned by אין סוף (Ein sof – infinite).

          • vs

            Before G-d god was bull, ox, שור, פר
            Alef is divine, spiritual
            Ayin is natural
            Tav is sign, symbolic, female

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “Before G-d god was bull, ox, שור, פר, אלף”

            Ha OK, a divinity. Yes…

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Seriously, where do you think that Jews from North Africa come from ? They poped up like that, sometimes in the middle-age ? Don’t forget that Jews are not proselytes, we do not convert. It is extremely rare. In every jewish family there is at least one root that dives deep to the land of Israel.

          • Hannibal

            You immigrated period. I do not expect my descendants to go kick the people of Lebanon out because I immigrated. My kids are US citizens and their kids will be Americans. They will have no right to go back and claim Lebanon as theirs. If every human must go back “home” we will all end up on trees in Africa. Your logic is perturbed.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “Your logic is perturbed” Nope, my logic is all clear and in running order 🙂 You just do not think enough about the situation and history of the Jews.

          • Hannibal

            Oh believe you and me I do think about the situation and history of the jews. I am worried they will become extinct because of their actions and I do not want that.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “I am worried they will become extinct …/… and I do not want that.”

            I appreciate. I’m more optimistic, there will be peace between Jews and Arabs. We are cousins after all.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Actually it’s very fashion going back to the trees :

            http://histoiresdunet.asf.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/cinder-cone-2.jpg

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “I immigrated. My kids are US citizens and their kids will be Americans.” Until one of them will want to return to Lebanon.

          • Hannibal

            and local laws will tell him no. You are not a Lebanese. I met so many Lebanese descendants here with my last name who did not even know they were Lebanese. Let’s gather them and send them all back home. Lebanese expats and their descendants are about 50 millions. by your logic let’s gather the “tribe” or the “people” and head back home. If it proves crowded we will have enough people to invade Palestine. Come on man, it is rather simple. The wrong has been done. It is time to split the country and learn from history. I do not really think of having ONE Palestine because the Arabs will outbreed you. It does not seem that they are capable of keeping their shlongs in their pants any time soon ;P

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “by your logic” My logic is not abstract, it’s based on the history of the Jews. Lebanese people or Phinikim has not the same history or urge. I will not insult you by reminding what is the history of the Jews since the destruction of the Temple. I know you know.

            There is enough room in the Middle-East for Jews and Arabs alike.

          • Niemals

            Sadly the dilemma is that not enough people realize that there is enough room in the Middle-East for Jews and Arabs together.

    • Y K

      “Dangerous neighbours”

      U talking about your neighbors in Montreal, sweetheart? I wonder what they think about you (I certainly can guess). 🙂

      “i hope they rot their useless lives in prison” (sic)

      It’s heartwarming that your useful life is centered on milking ’em Rothschild Zionists aka actual taxpayers. 🙂

    • Omega

      Aside from Hezbollah, Lebanon’s (multi-cultural and multi-religious) system has been Israel’s aspired (mono-racial and mono-religious) anti-thesis. Lebanon contradicts racist Israel’s fallacy: that people from different region and culture cannot live together.

      Fomenting another civil war has been the Anglo-American-Israelis’ dream. They succeeded between 1975 and 1990, retried but failed with the false-flag asssiantion of Hariri In 2005, retried again but failed again with the many false-flag bombings in the south and north.

      We learned and won’t fall for the trap again.

      • Hind Abyad

        The trap is set by higher powers since a long time.

        “Autumn 1992: Influential Neoconservative Academic Advocates
        Breaking Up Middle Eastern Countries, Including Iraq.

        Bernard Lewis. [Source: Princeton University]

        Princeton University professor Bernard Lewis publishes an article in the influential journal Foreign Affairs called “Rethinking the Middle East.”
        In it, he advocates a policy he calls “Lebanonization.”
        He says, “[A] possibility, which could even be precipitated by [Islamic] fundamentalism, is what has late been fashionable to call ‘Lebanonization.’ Most of the states of the Middle East—Egypt is an obvious exception—are
        of recent and artificial construction and are vulnerable to such a process.
        If the central power is sufficiently weakened, there is no real civil society to hold the polity together, no real sense of common identity.… Then state disintegrates—as happened in Lebanon—into a chaos of squabbling, feuding, fighting sects, tribes, regions, and parties.”

  • Y K

    “3 Lebanese accused of spying for Israel arrested in Lebanon”

    Lebanese “security” services never lose sight of what’s truly important. “Switzerland of the Middle East” my ass. 🙂

    • Omega

      What do you expect the Lebanese security to do? Let Mossad spies roam around?

      Talking about your ass, your rectum prolapsed again. Pick it up.

      • Rudy1947

        Lebanese or Hezbolah. I’m thinking there are Lebanese that are not afraid of Hezbollah.

        • Omega

          I am glad you are “thinking” but the end result (vs when you don’t think) is the exact same: nil.

          Those who spy in Lebanon for IsraHell do it for money – first and foremost.

          • Rudy1947

            Sure, sure. No one in Lebanon would fall for that stereotype.

          • Omega

            Did you bother reading the article?

            It’s alleged that the captives offered to start a revolt in Lebanon in exchange for payment.

          • Rudy1947

            I read your comment.

          • Omega

            (laughing)

            You still made no point.

          • Rudy1947

            Sure I did. Some Lebanese are fed up with the status quo of Hezbollah dominance. Good on them.

          • Omega

            You said they spy because they aren’t afraid of Hezbollah when the article clearly states it was for monetary payment. You made no point.

            Now, you entitle yourself to speak for more people. Murr first and now, some Lebanese.

          • Rudy1947

            When is spying NOT for payment. Spies seldom work pro bono.

          • Omega

            I thought you said they do it for being fed up with Hezbollah?

          • Rudy1947

            Oh please. You can do better.

          • Hind Abyad

            Oh please. You have nothing to say never had, halfcooked rowdy

          • Rudy1947

            Bite it.

          • Hind Abyad

            Palestine never existed.
            Let’s commemorate 1917 Balfour Declaration centennial.

            ‘The historic area of ‘Palestine’ was part of the Vilayet
            of Beirut, with the Sanjak of Jerusalem having some administrative independence. The area of the future ‘Transjordan’ was part of the Vilayet
            of Damascus’.

          • Hind Abyad

            He just said he didn’t read the article, so it’s just the usual blabla.. he has nothing to say…

          • Niemals

            Lets talk about spies….
            Milad Muhammad Khatib, 26, of Majd al-Krum in the Western Galilee, was sentenced in the Haifa District Court to seven years in prison and one year of probation for espionage, contact with a foreign agent and conspiracy to aid an enemy in a time of war.

            Khatib was arrested in September 2012 and confessed to having conveyed to an agent of the Lebanese terror group Hezbollah information about IDF bases, armaments and arms caches, and the facilities of arms manufacturer Rafael.

            In subsequent meetings in Denmark and Turkey, Khatib was recruited, with the idea of creating Hezbollah cells among Israel’s Arab citizens.
            He reportedly received a $500 recruitment fee.

      • Hind Abyad

        Rudy, Nianimals- Guest, upvoted this YuKer Guther so, there you have it, they want civil War in Lebanon they call it Lebanonisation
        but come here crying anti-Zemitizm.

        • Rudy1947

          Whaaaa whaaaaa. Would you like a tissue.

          • Hind Abyad

            Insignificant.

          • Niemals

            It is not enough with ONE tissue…..

        • Y K

          Nobody’s crying here, retard. The normal people on this forum mostly mock your hateful stupidity.

        • יוסף בן-ישראל

          Lebanse People is not our enemy. Hezbollah is. Separate yourself from Hezbollah, dismantle Hezbollah and make peace with Israel.

          • Omega

            Hezbollah did not illegally invade and occupy IsraHell for twenty years.

            Hezbollah did not wage a war on IsraHell in 2006.

            Hezbollah doesn’t kill Israeli politicians.

            How is the enemy again?

          • Y K

            “Hezbollah did not wage a war on IsraHell in 2006.”

            So who or what did it wage war on, retard? Your pimples?

          • Omega

            • IsraHell planned the war as early as January 2006 and waged it on Hezbollah/Lebanon. Not the other way around.

            According to the leaks, Olmert first discussed the preparations for a war against Lebanon in January and then asked for detailed plans in March.

            Olmert told Winograd that, far from making war on the hoof in response to the capture of the two soldiers (the main mitigating factor for Israel’s show of aggression), he had been planning the attack on Lebanon since at least March 2006.

            Olmert’s leaked testimony reveals real goal of summer war
            https://electronicintifada.net/content/olmerts-leaked-testimony-reveals-real-goal-summer-war/6803

            • The US and treacherous elements within the Lebanese government (Elias Murr & Co.) were complicit.

            Two years after the war’s end we now learn, thanks to WikiLeaks, that Lebanese Defense Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Elias Murr gave Israel strategic military advice on how to finish the job.

            WikiLeaks also exposed that the U.S. flew U-2 reconnaissance missions over Hezbollah positions in Lebanon, known as “Operation Cedar Sweep,” and used a British airbase in Cyprus to do so.

            The Story of Elias Murr, Saboteur
            https://www.counterpunch.org/2010/12/10/the-story-of-elias-murr-saboteur/

            • Hezbollah resisted the attack.

            On July 12 and after Hezbollah captured IDF soldiers at a border post, the IAF launched its bombing campaign. The IAF believed the destruction of Hezbollah would take couple days. Some Israeli ministers believed it could be done in a day.

            On July 18 and after the IAF could not destroy Hezbollah, Ehud Olmert deployed the “full might of the IDF”. This came to be despite Olmert’s advisors signaled Israel’s willingness to cease-fire.

            On July 21 and after the IDF could not achieve the objective of destroying Hezbollah, Olmert called in the reserve army. The Pentagon knew then that the war was not going well for Israel.

            On July 22, Olmert called the US for help. Israel needed munition – large amounts of precision-guided missiles. The Pentagon realized Israel had used most of its munitions and still could not destroy Hezbollah after ten consecutive days of intensive bombing.

            On July 22, the IDF entered the town of Maroun al-Ras but they were unable to capture it. The Nasr Brigade pushed them out.

            On July 24, realizing they could not defeat Hezbollah, Israel did what it does best: crimes. It cluster bombed the south of Lebanon and went after destroying civilian infrastructures unrelated to the war. Many of the infrastructures were in Christian towns. Needless to say, those Christians no longer support Israel.

            On July 25, destroying Hezbollah was no longer the objective. It was replaced with creating a “security zone”.

            On July 26, the IDF admitted that their battle in Bint Jbail was the hardest. After they failed to capture the town with the IDF, they sent their elite troops, the Golani Brigade. Nine of them died, twenty two others were wounded. The town was not captured.

            On July 26, Israel retried capturing the town of Maroun al-Ras with paratroopers but after three days, failed again.

            On July 27, Israel called up three more reserve divisions (15,000 troops) after they failed to capture any cities.

            By July 28, the IAF realized it was unable to stop Hezbollah’s rockets – 4000+ of them were fired. Some even reached Afula.

            On July 28, the Mossad leaked information to the Israeli Publix stating that Hezbollah had not suffered significant degradation of its military and that they could go on fighting for months.

            In August and before the implementation of the cease-fire, Israel tried to secure a “security zone” south of the Litani but the paratroopers were surrounded by Hezbollah.

            How Hezbollah defeated Israel
            https://www.counterpunch.org/2006/10/13/how-hezbollah-defeated-israel-2/

          • Y K

            Two bedsheet-sized cut-and-pastes from “Counterpunch” and one from “Electronic Intifada”. You’re really outperforming yourself, pal. This time you’ve even earned a smiley. 🙂

          • Omega

            Feel free to discredit the Israeli Winograd Committee Report, the testimonies and reports of US officials, the Mossad, etc with facts.

          • Y K

            You never ever read any of those, my degenerate Nazi friend. Your knowledge of the world begins and ends with Counterpunch. Kinda like Hitler, who learned all he knew about America from German-language westerns.

          • Omega

            I did my Khazarian vermin. The Israeli Winograd Committee Report is translated since 2007-2008. News outlets like the Counterpunch don’t invent anything but summarize historical events backed with the appropriate documentation.

            You can read the report online, then the Counterpunch article and see if it matches the web links I presented. But please, pick up your rectum first.

          • Hind Abyad

            Israel can’t go a week without threatening to commit war crimes in Lebanon. Today it’s the “education minister”

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Because your mad dog HN accumulates weapons in Syria and Lebanon and do not hide his nefarious intentions against Israel. Keep your dog on a leash and there will be no problem.

          • Hind Abyad

            Keep yours on a leash..”Army pays $6,900 to Israeli soldier who killed wounded Palestinian” Imoral

            https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20171012-army-pays-6900-to-israeli-soldier-who-killed-wounded-palestinian/#.WejeJHiBF5E.twitter

          • Omega

            Got to love how Israelis point the finger at Lebanon for being under Hezbollah when Israel was created by and for the ruling class of the British Empire as an outpost to control the Middle East. Everything about it is British.

            The ideologies, mythologies, and geopolitical stratefies of the State of Israel, down to the minutest details, are the handiwork of a handful of Britons. In particular there was Orde Wingate, a representative of the Amery and Rothschild interests in the 1930s and a top British intelligence officer in Palestine. Moshe Dayan recently said of Wingate: “I remember Orde Wingate. And I salute him. He taught me and many another Israeli soldier everything we knew.”

            And their ideological controller. Wingate would often begin special training courses for the Haganah elite by expounding, “We are establishing here the foundations for the army of Zion.” His contribution extended to programming every minute detail of military strategy for the Haganah, thereby providing the entirety of Israeli military orientations from the 1948 declaration of state- hood through to the present. According to Mosley, Wingate in 1938 authored “The Jewish State — Security and Defence, Transition Period,” which is to this day “one of the most treasured Israeli documents.”

            The Beitish Spook who built that Army of Zion

            p.8-9: http://wlym.com/archive/campaigner/7812.pdf

          • Rudy1947

            But Israel is not under the control of Britain while Lebanon is under the control of Hezbollah.

            3 cheers for Wingate.

          • Omega

            You must have missed it: Israel was created by and for (the oligarchies behind) the British Empire. It is under their absolute control. Any Israeli “leader” who went against the flow, Yitzhak Rabin for instance, was discarded. Everything Israel does is dictated by Britain, the master colonialist. Because let’s face it, a bunch of “persecuted“ European Jews would have amount to shit on their own in the region.

            Hezbollah would not exist today if the Israelis had not illegally invaded and occupied the south of Lebanon. The crimes they committed in Lebanon – and the resulting upwards death toll of 20,000 civilians – is enough to justify Hezbollah’s presence today.

            Ten fold more cheers for Hezbollah. May they live lo and strong.

          • Rudy1947

            Funny that the Israelis and the Arabs threw the British out.

            Funny how the Hizzbillies sprang up after Syria got kicked out of Lebanon.

            Funny how Israel followed Arafat and his cronies fled into Lebanon.

            I guess it’s funny that Lebanon really is a doormat in the ME.

          • Hind Abyad

            You expected farmers from 560 villages Zionists massacred, bombed and bulldozed, who lived from their lands to disappear with the rain?

          • Hind Abyad

            You’re one hundred years late.

          • Rudy1947

            So is Omega’s comment.

          • Omega

            • Neither the Israelis nor the Arabs throw the Brits out. The Brits left at the end of their Mandate in 1948.

            • Hezbollah came to be in the early 1980s. Syria left Lebanon in 2005-2006.

            • The PLO didn’t flee to Lebanon. They landed there after the 1967 “war”, the 1970 incident in Jordan and realizing they couldn’t count on that Arab countries who promised to help them since 1948.

            • Suggesting that Lebanon is a “doormat” is a testimony of your ignorance. The division of the Lebanese governmental power (1943 French National Pact) between five groups, the creation of Israel and its numerous effects (Palestinian resistance, 1969 Cairo Agreement, Israeli attacks on surrounding countries, invasion of the south of Lebanon), etc all contributed to the situation.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Self righteous Hind Abyad.

      • Y K

        That’s precisely what I expect Lebanese (aka Hezbollah) “security” to do. Capisce, moron?

        • Omega

          I take it you haven’t picked up your rectum of the floor yet.

    • Hind Abyad

      Ow..2 Guest Nieanimal votes?

    • Hind Abyad

      Never happy yuky

      • יוסף בן-ישראל

        “yuku” ? What do you mean ?

  • Omega

    Well done ISF.

    • Hind Abyad

      ‘Next Time, We Won’t Spare Lebanon’: Christian Media Hears Doomsday Warning From Senior Israeli Minister

      ‘Its infrastructure, international airport and government facilities – it’s all game,’ Naftali Bennett tells first-of-its-kind Christian Media Summit in Jerusalem

      https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.817905

      • Omega

        it’s only a game

        It only confirms their degeneracy.

        When they couldn’t do anything against Hezbollah in 2006, and like a spoiled child who goes on breaking things around after being told “no”, they went on cluster bombing the south of Lebanon, attacking civilians and infrastructures/buildings unrelated to the war. Further in the war and realizing the defeat of Hezbollah was impossible, they tried to set a “security zone” in the south of the Litani river.

        They have been after Lebanon’s fresh water supply since 1919. It looks like even putrid vermin need water to survive.

      • Hannibal

        Small words from a small man. The trick is to move fast and grab Galilee.

        • יוסף בן-ישראל

          “The trick is to move fast and grab Galilee”

          Don’t try it.

        • Hind Abyad

          😉 ..The trick is to move fast and grab Galilee.. Israeli fashion

    • Hind Abyad

      Lebanese thug playing rich boy with Zionist money, “normal people” defend their spies on YaLiban;-)
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/34a1019b021f114782744c310dbff916a64d97a1bc85b1cc8f57f59b54e7389d.jpg

      • Omega

        I was lookin for that. Thanks for posting it.

        Let’s see how tough and cool he plays now.

  • Hind Abyad

    Hang them!

  • Niemals

    3 Lebanese arrested in Lebanon, the action brought HanniMegaHin(?) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f7c0a9aca74920d512f96f8045f099bed087b555a0d18fc26ca769e6e7954bab.jpg to the temperature at which it bubbles and turns to vomit.

  • יוסף בן-ישראל
    • Niemals

      Your truth revealing video and this one https://youtu.be/bIy2L5uI9P8 will not be tolerated by HanniMegaHin, simply because their own people do not cling to the distorted hatred on which they feed.

      Egyptian-Canadian writer SAID SHOAIB:
      The prevalent Islamic ideology in Canada BREEDS TERRORISM, we need to train imams in Canada.
      https://www.memri.org/tv/egyptian-canadian-writer-prevalent-islamic-ideology-canada-breeds-terrorism-train-imams-in-canadahttps://www.memri.org/tv/egyptian-canadian-writer-prevalent-islamic-ideology-canada-breeds-terrorism-train-imams-in-canada

      • יוסף בן-ישראל

        She is a courageous woman. Yes.

    • Hind Abyad

      “Reservist On Duty?
      You’re equiped with professional propaganda tools.
      A patient anchor he let her squak all she wants.. sometimes asks the question “Israel is a democracy…?” Muslim Sunni paid propagandist. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/632e8114ec1aaa872ee3c7b98e7a88f596a0eaa456863251a9ccd8a32ae6f65b.jpg

      • יוסף בן-ישראל

        You have the same at home. Don’t bother me.

        At least she speaks to you in a language you understand.

        • Hind Abyad

          You posted “Reservists On Duty” on a public blog.
          I understand propaganda. Democracy above.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Oui, je sais ce que j’ai posté. Prenez en de la graine. C’est une arabe comme vous et elle au moins quand elle parle d’israel, elle sait de quoi elle parle. Pas comme vous et répéter la propagande antisémite.

          • Hind Abyad

            Elle n’est pas comme moi merci.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Vous devriez au moins essayer de l’écouter. Bon, faites comme vous voulez. De toute façon je peux guère vous influencer.

          • Niemals

            Your truth revealing video will not be tolerated by HanniMegaHin!

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            I’m an optimist 🙂

      • Hannibal

        Tell the idiot in the picture to stop barking 😉

    • Niemals

      I have noticed that the Israeli police are taking a hard line against a far-right extremist group opposed to inter-marriage between Israelis and Arabs.

      Israeli police have arrested 15 Jewish extremists accused of threatening Arab men dating Jewish women, officials said Sunday.

      Among those taken in for questioning was Benzi Gopstein, the leader of the right-wing extremist group Lehava, according to Israeli radio.
      Arrests were made across Israel, including Jerusalem and the occupied West Bank.
      (http://www.dw.com/de/j%C3%BCdische-extremisten-festgenommen/a-41066590)

      • יוסף בן-ישראל

        the occupied West Bank the liberated Judea-Samaria.

  • Hannibal

    Here is an idea: Now hang them on a star of David in downtown Beirut and let them die a slow death while people spit on them.

    • יוסף בן-ישראל

      Seriously ?

      • Hannibal

        Deadly serious… Pun intended. 😉

  • יוסף בן-ישראל
    • Niemals

      The visit to the Holy Land was criticized at home, could Cardinal Bechara Rai return to Lebanon?

    • Hind Abyad

      That was a Zionist paper.

      “Lebanese Patriach:
      Earlier on Wednesday Rai visited the derelict Israeli Christian village of Kufr Bir’im,
      near the Lebanese border, whose inhabitants were evicted by the Israeli army in
      1948, six months after Israel was established, and never allowed to return.

      The same happened in the nearby village of Iqrit, and Rai vowed to help the Christians of both places, who now live in nearby towns and cities, to reclaim their homes.

      “We will work through the Vatican and lobby the pope until the world hears your case,” he said.

      • יוסף בן-ישראל

        Kafr Bir’im is built on the site of the ancient Jewish village of Kfar Bar’am, from which the name is derived.[6] The remains of the a 3rd-century Synagogue of Kfar Bar’am are still visible.[7] Rabbi Phinehas ben Jair (2nd-century CE) is said to have been buried in Kfar Bar’am.[8]

        Kfar Bar’am belongs to the Jews.

    • Hind Abyad

      Thank God for Patriarch Al Rai.

      “Christians of the Orient stand up against the new Western colonialism

      The war against Syria, planned by the United States, France and the United Kingdom for mid-November 2011, has been blocked in extremis by the Russian and Chinese vetoes at the Security Council. According to Nicolas Sarkozy, who informed the Maronite Patriarch of the matter during a stormy meeting at the Elysée Palace on 5 September 2011, the plan contemplates the expulsion of Middle East Christians by
      the Western powers.
      In this context a press campaign is underway in Europe to accuse the Christians of
      the Orient of collusion with the dictatorships. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f1ebf276781ec0002ba854a5a25dbcbe041a90f2c8197941f9e8f54de898d839.jpg
      http://www.voltairenet.org/article171673.html

      • Hannibal

        Let me get this straight: The Maronites survived the Byzantine empire, Moslem expansion and Arab invasions, crusades, mamelukes, sultanates, civil wars, the French mandate, the Kiss-emmo-inger’s plan, the Israeli’s invasions, the Syrian hegemony, many despots and Sarkozy wants what now?

        • Hind Abyad

          In 2011 France Zionist president Sarkozy told Al Rai;
          “prepare your people for an Exodus to Europe”.

          Al Rai was fuming angry, journalists could hear high pitched voices, Sarko banged his fist on the precious Elisee table.
          After his return he was criticised.. can’t figure out who runs Lebanon Goverment, Israel and US?

          Should he have said Ouuii Monsieur le Président?
          Syrian Christians and Armenians were the first massacred, raped, beheaded, looted.

        • יוסף בן-ישראל

          “the Israeli’s invasions” was there to support Christians not to fight them.

        • Omega

          Kiss-emmo-inger

          Good one. 🙂

  • יוסף בן-ישראל

    Something Lebanese discover 🙂

    Comment expliquez-vous le vif intérêt que ces cours ont suscité chez les étudiants ?

    Cet enseignement fait partie de notre héritage culturel. Notre pays a été traversé par de multiples civilisations ayant différentes langues. Les dernières langues que nous parlons sont celles de l’envahisseur arabe au VIIe siècle et celles des puissances occidentales, que ce soit la France, la Grande-Bretagne ou les États-Unis, à partir des XIXe et XXe siècles. Nous sommes un peuple qui a parfaitement adopté et assimilé plusieurs langues. Il serait bon d’aller regarder ce que nos ancêtres parlaient.

    I sincerely wish you Good Luck!

    https://www.lorientlejour.com/article/1079614/-avec-les-cours-de-phenicien-nous-offrons-du-nouveau-avec-du-tres-ancien-.html

    • Niemals

      Lebanon has been invaded by multiple civilizations with different languages.

      The HanniMegaHin insist that they are the ancient Phoenicians but they don’t speak the Phoenician language, they speak the languages of the Arab invader or the Western powers language, like France and Great Britain.

      How can it be that your people that too have been invaded by multiple civilizations with different languages still clinging themselves to Hebrew language?

      Your people have perfectly adopted and assimilated themselves to live among different cultures and languages.

      Your language has been immortalized in many churches, as I once pointed out.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c0cfab71abfd53965fe8f0b54c6ec67a30f7c8ea579fe2012393b76ca0e1348c.jpg Statue on Pope Clemens XIII’s Tomb in St. Peter’s Basilica of Rome
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e4947bec17fdaa0471b297626416c246af872f2ade3075f830cda8ea36b47b00.jpg Karlskirche in Wien
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/416c03d75d1dde67dffd1ba21394ab1e8f421402e4439ed8b18651ed4108dff4.jpg Island – Hólakirkja in Eyjafjord, Northern Iceland

      I wouldn’t exaggerate if I say that this song gives you goosebumps
      https://youtu.be/L8Co7IzOyhw

      • יוסף בן-ישראל

        “How can it be that your people that too have been invaded by multiple civilizations with different languages still clinging themselves to Hebrew language?”

        This is our success story 🙂

        • Hind Abyad

          And whe didn’t change eccept we’re less arrogant.

          “The most widely spoken Semitic languages today are (numbers given are for native speakers only) Arabic (300 million), Amharic (22 million), Tigrinya (7 million), Hebrew (unknown; 5 million native and non-native L1 speakers), Tigre (~1.05 million), Aramaic (575,000 to 1 million largely Assyrian fluent speakers)….

          “Classification. Arabic is a Central Semitic language, closely related to the Northwest Semitic languages (Aramaic, Hebrew, Ugaritic and Phoenician), the Ancient South Arabian languages, and various other Semitic languages of Arabia such as Dadanitic.”

          “Dialect Areas Spoken Number of Speakers

          Egyptian Egypt 55,000,000

          Gulf Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE 36,056,000

          Hassaniya Mauritania, southern Morocco, south western Algeria, Western Sahara 3,000,000

          Levantine Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Syria 21,000,000”

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Poor lost soul. I pity you Hind Abyad.

          • Hind Abyad

            Oh, don’t nutty rabbi..haHa.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Nutty yourself Miss Hind Abyad.

        • Omega

          Modern Hebrew was invented in the 19th century by the non-Jewish Brits. If that’s your definition of “success” then sure.

      • Omega

        90%+ of the people in Lebanon descend from the original Canaanites. A recent study confirms so: http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-07-28/ancient-dna-shows-canaanites-survived-biblical-slaughter/8749264

        Phoenicians are Canaanites. Same people but named differently by various people.

        Hebrew is Canaanite/Phoenician.

        Nobody spoke Hebrew for thousands of years either. It was revived in the 19th century by the Brits to serve their agenda with Israel. A support for the newly created Jewish National (fallacious) Identity.

      • Omega

        We don’t insist; we know we are. 90%+ of the people in Lebanon descend from the original Canaanites. A recent study confirms so: http://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-07-28/ancient-dna-shows-canaanites-survived-biblical-slaughter/8749264

        Phoenicians are Canaanites. They are the same people but named differently by various people.

        In regards to “Hebrew” writings in Churches:

        • Yahwehism which later became known as Hebrewism and then formed the Christian movement is based on the Phoenician God of Fertility, Adon. Yahweh is Adon.

        • The Old Hebrew alphabet is the Canaanite/Phoenician alphabet. The Old Hebrew language was a Canaanite/Phoenician dialect.

        Nobody on that land spoke Canaanite/Phoenician/Hebrew. With that many invasions, the Aramaic and later Arabic languages came to be.

        The Jews of the world didn’t speak Hebrew for thousands of years either and until the non-Jewish Brits with a geopolitical agenda in the ME invented Modern Hebrew (based on Old Hebrew, non-Hebrew and invented words). It was to support newly created Jewish National (fallacious) Identity.

        • Rita

          Fascinating. There is so much that’s not know about our ancestors the Canaanites Phoenicians. Did you know the legend of the Phoenix originated with the Phoenicians?

          • Omega

            Rest assured that the history of our ancestors is well know in mainstream archeology but has been suppressed by the mainstream history/media ever since the ancient Jews and later Romans, Greeks and the West (which included the leaders of all three Abrahamic religions).

            We have to remember that the Canaanites/Phoenicians were pagans. They worshipped the land, the sea, the dusk, the moon, etc. The Phoenician God of Fertility, Adon, is Yahweh. It gave rise to Yahwehism (“re-interpreted” with the Burning Bush Dialogue) which was later known as Hebrewism/Christianity. Pharisaism/Talmudism came to be later and clashed with Hebrewism – it’s the reason why the Hebrew Bible curses the Jews. Suppressing the Canaanites-Phoenicians and their paganism was crucial for supremacy. History repeated later where paganism all over the world was hardly suppressed.

            The past prowesses of our ancestors are well evidenced by archeology, their alphabet (which is the foundation of all modern alphabets), the Phoenician cities (Byblos, Sur/Tyre, etc) with their still existing seaports, the temples, the trading/seafaring endeavors that settled cities all across the Mediterranean (they also reached present-day England/Ireland/Scotland to mine for tin), their philosophies (picked up by the Greeks and others), successive kings, material development (dye, glass, jewelry, etc), the trading and war ships (the design was picked up by the Romans later), etc.

            I knew the legend of the Phoenix has its roots in Phoenicia. The similarity between both words is not coincidental. It was later adopted by other civilizations (Egypt, Greeks, Chinese). I suppose your avatar picture is after it.

          • Rita

            Thank you for your comment Omega! The history of Canaanites Phoenicians is fascinating even if it is not spread too much. The supremacist factor makes so much sense. Yes, my avatar pic is the Phoenician Phoenix! 🙂

          • Omega

            Most welcome.

            I invite your to familiarize yourself with https://phoenicia.org, the work of Dr. Israel Finkelstein and Dr. Christine Hayes for a solid foundation on the Canaanites/Phoenicians and the land. I can’t rexommend them enough.

          • Hind Abyad

            psst..correct typo

          • Rita

            Phoenicia.org is a treasure trove, wow! Thanks so much for sharing. Never see a site with this much info on the Canaanites Phoenicians in one place.
            I am familiar with Dr. Finkelstein but didn’t know about Dr. Hayes until you brought it up and after reading about her work on the Phoenicia website. Thanks again!

          • Omega

            Most welcome. I can’t recommend Dr.Hayes enough. She truly is an expert in her field. Equal praise to Mr. Khalf for his site on the Cannaites-Phoenicians and to Dr. Finkelstein.

          • Hind Abyad

            The Greek called the Coast Phoenix from Greek mythology, a long-lived bird that is cyclically regenerated or born again. Thats your avatar?

          • Rita

            Hello Hind

            That is incorrect. The Greeks named the Canaanite people by <> after the color of the dye the Canaanites developed.

            <>

            From http://www.lgic.org/en/history_4000.php

            The legend of the Phoenix is also Canaanite not Greek. Yes my avatar! 🙂

          • Hind Abyad

            I know Canaan but the legend of the Phoenix is Greek, as Mesopotamia and Eupraetus interior of the Coast. Phoenicia extended from Lataqiya to Akr.

            Your link says:
            ‘The recorded history shows a group of coastal cities and heavily forested mountains inhabited by the Canaanites around 4000 BC’.

            The Coast was pagan they became Christians after Maronites came from Damascus to Mount Lebanon. Syria 400 AD.

            “Bronze Age DNA disproves the Bible’s claim that the Canaanites were wiped out: Study says their genes live
            on in modern-day Lebanese people”
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4733046/Canaanites-ancestors-modern-day-people-Lebanon.html

          • Rita

            No Hind it’s not Greek. It’s Canaanite Phoenician.

            <>

            https://www.puti.org/en/out-of-the-ashes-ancient-phoenicians-and-phoenix-rising-legend/

            Paganism was practiced first yes but before Christianity rose to popularity, there was Hebrewism and Talmudism.

            I know the Canaanites were not wiped out but I don’t understand the relation.

          • Hind Abyad

            That the Bible is not a history book 😉

          • Omega

            100% accurate.

            The Greeks called the Canaanites as Phoenicians after the color of their dye made from shells.

            The legend of the Phoenix takes its roots over 5,000 years ago with the Canaanites (they were technically not called Phoenicians back then). It was later adopted and developed by the ancient Egyptians, Greeks and later the Chinese.

      • Rita

        It’s no secret that Lebanese people descend from Canaanite Phoenicians.

        • Niemals

          Did I said that it is a secret?

          • Rita

            You didn’t but saying that the Lebanese people lack national pride because we don’t speak and write Phoenician is incorrect. Incas and Mayans didn’t speak Spanish, can we say their descendants today don’t have national pride because they speak the language of the invader?

            I can tell you we are very proud people and we know very good who our ancestors are. Our currency boast the Phoenician alphabet. Our museums are full of Canaanite Phoenician artifacts. The tomb of Ahiram illustrate the fully developed 22 letter Phoenician alphabet.

            http://www.ancient-origins.net/sites/default/files/field/image/Sarcophagus-of-King-Ahiram.jpg

            glamroz.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/museum-6.jpg

            The Phoenician spoken language sort of disappeared after the Aramean and Arabic invasions. In spite of that the Lebanese spoken language still have many Phoenician words. For example the word for house in Lebanese is <> after the second letter of the Phoenician alphabet. It’s the same in <>. In formal Arabic it’s <>.

            The Jews themselves didn’t speak Phoenician/Hebrew for thousands of years until it was given a second life in the 19 th century with the creation of Israel. The Phoenician written language remained on stones and artifacts in Phoenicia and Hebrew and Christian religious texts.

          • Niemals

            Today the Incas and Mayans are just history – the Spanish invaders destroyed Incas and Mayans culture.

            Not only your museums are full of Canaanite Phoenician artifacts, after all they have been all over the Mediterranean sea and left a lot of artifacts.

            But I don’t understand why the Jews slides in your reply?

          • Rita

            I agree it’s history but I disagree the Spanish invaders destroyed Inca and Mayan cultures. Their past is still observable on Earth with their piramides, inscribed stones, artifacts etc.

            You are right. The Canaanites Phoenicians also left lots of artifacts wherever they settled cities across the Mediterranean.

            I mentioned the ancient Jews of the land because they went through a same faith in relation to the Phoenician language. They spoke it and then didn’t for thousand of years until it was revived in modern time.

          • Niemals

            What are ancient Jews?
            You mean Ancient Hebrews, do you? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/caae4134e57f16daf70670ab8b5230d0b05dde266894c5294c28289f5c35bd13.jpg
            As if they spoke it – the Phoenician language, you should ask a competent person as Joseph.

          • Rita

            Nope not all Hebrews were Jewish. Jews = the first people who practiced the teachings of the Pharisees. They were part of Juda and Benjamin tribes. The others tribes were not Jews or Jewish.

            I’m afraid Joseph can’t be much of help. I read his comments and there are mistakes and asked questions he couldn’t answer.

          • Niemals

            Can’t help you.
            Jews have more knowledge in this case.
            I know only what we have experienced and learned about our Jews.

          • Rita

            You don’t have to be a Jew to know the history. It is history and it can be learned by all of us. 🙂

            Omega actually discussed the pic you posted as the enslavment of the Hebrews and the destruction of their empire by the Assyrians after the Jews paid them to do so. IIRC it’s depicted in Kings 2-16.

          • Niemals

            No you don’t have to be a Jew to know history.
            But you must be a Jew to know the Jews history.

            Omega is just a niemand.

          • Rita

            Sorry Niemals it does not make sense. You don’t have to be Jewish to know Jewish history. Same thing applies to any history of religion. Christian, Hindu, Islam and others.
            Also sorry to see quarrel between you and Omega. I see rich content in his comment. I wish we can all get along even if we disagree. Please type to me in English not Z German! 🙂

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “You don’t have to be Jewish to know Jewish history.”

            That’s right but you have to be jewish to make Jewish History.

          • Rita

            The same applies to any history. 🙂

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Sure. But that was to remind you that Jewish History does not stop with ancient Jews 😉

          • Rita

            True 🙂 The same applies to others as well.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            I am happy we agree, on some… 🙂

          • Rita

            Always better to agree and if not agree to diagree. 🙂

          • Niemals

            There is no quarrel between me and Omega, I’m not interested in any contacts with any holocaust denier.
            Omega is a holocaust denier.

            I doubt that Omega witnessed himself what the Nazi (Nationalsozialismus) followers done.

            His ‘there is no forensic evidence’ is disgusting.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aeaaffda0d19ca6a4533ae1907ae3c063f34a3df17899e5d20f8fbec013f3694.jpg
            I ‘presume’ that he was on the crime locations in Europe and couldn’t find any forensic evidence…

          • Rita

            If that’s why you stopped contact with Omega then it’s your choice and I respect it Niemals. But I think it’s alright to question. Wrong or right. You shouldn’t take it personal and I hope you guys reconcile. There is a lot of cover up in history. I don’t deny the holocaust but I don’t understand why it’s the center of mankind since it happened. Can’t we move on? Every day somewhere the 2nd wold war, the Nazis, Hitler etc etc etc is reminded to us. And Israelis milk that to their advantage. We have to be honest please.

          • Niemals

            Israel is not a saint, they have committed crimes too.

            Every day we discover the same kind of crimes with forensic evidence – as the latest evidence –
            UN panel says Syrian regime behind sarin gas attack.

            The list is endless, mankind didn’t learned from the mistakes.

          • Rita

            Mankind doesn’t learn I agree. Sad.

          • Hind Abyad

            You’re loosing your time, this person is a psychopath stalks and spies on my twitter to publish it here, this place is not the same since.

          • Rita

            Stalking? Really?

          • Hind Abyad

            Yes ..he says he blocked me, i wish..he’s also Guest.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Today, we Jews absorb into the vocable “Jews” every בן-ישראל

          • Rita

            That is where you lose me. Had to google translate <> which means Ben-Israel which I guess is Son or Sons of Israel correct? Problem with that the Israelites were not Jewish so how can it be Ben Israel? Only tribes of Judah and Benjamin were Jewish. So it should be Ben Judah and Ben Benjamin or just Ben Judah since it was the leader tribe.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Yes “בן ישראל” means “son of Israel”, I should have write more precisely “בני ישראל”, you are right, “sons of Israel”. Whatever… You write “Israelites were not [all] Jewish”, yes that’s true. There was 12 israelite tribes and one Jew, the Judes, the Tribe of Judah יהודה (Yehuda), extended generally with the tribe of Benyamin (בנימין). But because of the lost tribes (after the destruction of the first temple) only remained the Jews. Then, by extension and because it was difficult if not impossible to determine from which tribe came the lost israelites, כלל ישראל (Klal Israel) the community of Israel decided to call Jew every desecendant of Israel who declare himself coming from the tribes (after acceptation by the rabinate). For example, Jews from India claim they descend from the tribe of Menashe, but they call themselves Jews. There is nothing wrong here, just a collective decision of כלל ישראל to call itself as it wants 🙂

          • Rita

            Thank you for your comment but I am not 100% sure that is correct.
            The <>. It is said and you say they disappeared after the destruction of the first Temple but the tribes of Ben Yahuda and Ben Benjamin paid the Assyrians to capture and enslave the Israelites and destroy their kingdom. IIRC this was depicted in Kings 2:16. Niemals showed a picture above of it the Assyrians enslaving the Hebrews. That is the story in Kings Chapter.
            Also, I think it was the Romans who named the people who follows the religion of Judah by <>.
            One more thing, the religion of Judah is known to have spread so it is likely many people converted and not necessarily part of the tribes.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            There is no true or false here. There is founding myths and history. Peoples are not families sharing the same genetic pool but people that merge for one reason or another. Ruth the Moabite was not a part of the 12 tribes, but David the second king of the Jews descend from Ruth. And yes there was a war always between the kingdom of israel and Judah, for some good reasons: Judah is a People of the Mountain, they were not that much in contact with the rest of civilization Egyptian etc. They could develop a stable nation structure around the prinicples elaborated in the Torah. On the contrary, in the valley, in the corridor between Egypt and Anatolia, the bnei Israel were submited to every temptation. In particular they came back to some idolatry. King Josias decided to put an order to all that and send his troups to destroy all the small temples in the valley and unite the kingdom of Israel with Judah. It is at this time that he claimed having found in the Torah in the remains of the Temple. There began the tradition of reading the Torah at Shabbat. etc. etc.

            That is Jewish history, a complex rich history that cannot be oversimplified in such a forum. But the guidelines is what I said.

            Now about Judaism : Judaism is not proselyte. We do not convert. Of course, there are people who converted in History. Some famous even. Shaul Tarsus’ father for example, and Shaul (Paul), the son of a convert, founded the Christian religion (as it is said). Most of the Jews of today descend from the Jews of yesterday because the convert of today always married a Jews of yesterday. If he, himself, is not ethnically related to the ancient Jews, his kids will be. That is not up to interpretation, it is mathematics. Every Jew of today has certainly a root linking him to ancient Israel. Christianity, Islam are completely different on that level. They are just religions which have been imposed by force (or sometimes by choice) on pagan people (or Jews or Christians). Christians (or Muslims) do not constitute a People.

          • Rita

            There is a lot of confusion when it comes to Jews. From their history to who’s who and what determine who’s who. The Torah Christian Bible and Quran are books of faith and not history. Sadly people use the books of faith as history. For example There is a lot on David in the books of faith but little to nothing in history.
            My understanding and something I read also here from Omega here is that Jews and Israelites practised different religions. Jews practiced Pharisaism which was also known as Talmudism which was after renamed to Medieval Rabbinism and after Modern Rabbinism and at last Judaism. I read that somewhere else too. Israelites practiced Hebraism which was based on Yahwehism and is now Christianity. I think it was also one the reason they were at war. You said Joshua united Jews and Israelites but when did that happen? Because the Israelites ceased to exist after the Jews paid the Assyrians to destroy capture enslave them. Then God was angry at the Jews and cursed them and gave the land to other people until their Messia came back.
            Christians and Muslims are not a people I agree but that same applies to Jews. I think you are being biased. 🙂 Israelis are now a people yes but Jews?

          • Niemals
          • Rita

            Hey hey there I never said the religion never existed. 🙂 I was talking about David and could have expanded on other characters like Noah, Solomon, Saul etc etc. There is no real history about just only book of faith stories.
            I know the Arch of Titus. That stone is the looting of the Synagogue by the Romans.

          • Niemals

            Are you aware of the fact that Italians are the one using the term Ebrei wich means Hebrews not Jews?

          • Rita

            I don’t know what you are trying to say with <>. Could you please explain?

            Else I know it was a war trophy yes.

          • Niemals

            Ebrei is Italian, and means Hebrews.

            Since you and Joseph are knowledgeable in the subject of Hebrews / Jews, I can only suppose that the Romans returned to Roma with Hebrew prisoners / slaves, not with the people of the tribe of Judah.
            Correct me if I’m wrong.

          • Rita

            The etymology of the word <> is older than Latin. IIRC it stands for <>. Therefore I don’t think the Romans named them but rather latinized the name.
            The Romans did name the followers of the religion of Judah by <> around 25CE though which over a thousand years latter was pronounced <> with the <> being silent.
            I thank Joseph for his comments but I wish he had more to offer. What wrote so far is the conventional version.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            The word Hebrew is of the responsability of the Western Nations, I do not comment the way the Nations regard Israel, it is not my problem but theirs. In Hebrew it is עברי (Ivri) for a person: a Hebrew. It is עברית (Ivrit) for the language (adjective). The name come from עבר (Ever) the great-grandson of נח (Noa’h) son שם (Shem). The name is the root of the verb לעבור (laavor) or עבר (aavar), meaning to pass. That’s why Jews regard Hebrews, their ancestors, as the people that passes over space (around the world in diaspora) and time (from the destruction of the Temple to the recent renewal of israel). It is worth noticing that Eber is a common ancestor to the Jews and to the Arabs too.

          • Niemals

            Ebrei = אבריי = Ivri, is it correct?

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Sorry but that is a word which does not exist in Hebrew. What exists is עברי: ain-bet-resh-iud, and It reads “Ivri”. It is what I explained in my last post. It wasn’t clear ?

          • Niemals

            It was crystal clear, it was Google translate.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            Do not believe too much in Google Translate even if it is quite amazing how well it can translate. But not always and not everything.

          • Niemals

            There you see, it was Google translate. https://twitter.com/edokonrad/status/922043004847841280

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            I see 🙂 Dangerous !!

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            There is no confusion on the mind of the Jews, believe me.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “The Jews themselves didn’t speak Phoenician/Hebrew for thousands of years until it was given a second life in the 19 th century with the creation of Israel. ”

            The truth is that Hebrew has always been preserved and spoken and read in the Synagogue. All Jews know to read Hebrew, from their young age they learn it in the class of Talmud-Torah. Then every shabbat we read a portion of the Torah in the synagogue, the Torah is written (manuscripted) in Hebrew. We always read we write Hebrew inside our community (I posted somewhere on this forum a birth certificate of a grand-grand aunt with the signature of my grand-etc. father in Hebrew). This is why it has been easy to redeploy our ancestral language in Israel, as our vernacular language, in the end of the 19th Century when Jews from Europe began to came back to the land of Israel. We then decided to follow the pronounciation of the Yemenite Jews because it was the closest to he original. Never Hebrew disapeared from our people, it was just localised around the synagogue. But the synagogue istself was the citadels of the Jewish people in diaspora.

            Now, since a couple of years Maonites in Israel can register as “Arameans” and the language Aramean is recognized as a language of Israel? It is taught in Gush Halav for example :

            https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-israeli-christian-child-registers-as-aramean/

            I’d be delighted if Lebanese people could speak Aramean again as a vernacular language in Lebanon (we could understand each other better). But I don’t hold my breath, sadly.

          • Rita

            I agree that Canaanite Phoenician or if you prefer Hebrew did not disappear among Jewish communities but it was also restricted to sacred environments and texts. People of the Jewish faith didn’t speak Hebrew daily and among each other. They spoke the language of whatever country they lived in. European Jews to European Jews spoke Yiddish.. an old German dialect combined with word from different languages. Jews in the Middle East and North Africa spoke Arabic. Jews in Russia spoke Russian. Etc etc

            I don’t understand the point of the article you posted. Aramaic is the spoken language of the Arameans who invaded Phoenicia not the Canaanites Phoenicians. The alphabet and spoken language of the Canaanites Phoenicians is Canaanite or Phoenician if you prefer.

            You say <> but Hebrew is originally Canaanite Phoenician. The oldest Hebrew scripts <> were written in Phoenician script. A split between Phoenician and Old Hebrew scripts happened later in the 9 th BC.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            We Jews call our language Hebrew. Actually עברי

        • Hind Abyad

          His ‘HanniMegaHin’ mean Hannibal, Omega, Hind, is his hatred obsession.

          • Rita

            Why hatred obsession?

          • Omega

            Niemals used to post and troll under various usernames (Intouchable, Descartes, Matrix, OhYeah, OMatrix, AnnoDazumal and others). When Hind and then I exposed him, he went ballistic.

      • Hind Abyad
    • Hind Abyad

      Can you read? You literaly state “Something the Lebanese discover” ??
      My God nobody can discuss with such ignorance.

      “Arabic. Written as ا, spelled as ألف and transliterated as alif, it is the first
      letter in Arabic. Together with Hebrew Aleph, Greek Alpha and Latin A, it is descended from Phoenician ʾāleph, from a reconstructed Proto-Canaanite ʾalp “ox”.

      Aleph (or alef or alif) is the first letter of the Semitic abjads, including Phoenician ‘Ālep 𐤀, Hebrew ‘Ālef א, Aramaic Ālap 𐡀, Syriac ʾĀlap̄ ܐ, Arabic Alif ا, and Persian. It also appears as South Arabian 𐩱, and Ge’ez ʾÄlef አ.”

      • יוסף בן-ישראל

        And that would prove what ?

        • Hind Abyad

          Sorry I don’t read Hubri…….arrogance, conceit, hauteur, pride, self-importance, egotism, pomposity, superciliousness, ego, superiority, Zionists Supremacists.

          “In Greek tragedy excessive pride toward or defiance of the gods, leading to nemesis.”

          “Chosen” among who, the Semitic people? You’re not the only Semitic race in existence in the World.

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            “Sorry I don’t read Hubri” Try Google Translate then, don’t be shy!

          • Niemals

            She can Hebrew better than I do with the help of Google translate.
            Abyad applies Moment 22 when it suits her.

          • Hind Abyad

            I’m not Ninimals

          • Hind Abyad

            Hubri’s not a language..it’s you who should be shy

          • יוסף בן-ישראל

            I thought you didn’t know how to write “Hebrew”…

      • יוסף בן-ישראל

        אני לא רק יודע את האותיות של האלפבית העברי שלי, אני גם יודע איך להרכיב אותם במילים ולעשות משפטים לתקשר עם בני ארצי בישראל. ומה אתה יודע לעשות עם הפיניקית שלך?

        לדעת את האלפבית שלך זה מצוין, אבל זה ממש רחוק מהספיק, יקירי.

    • Rita

      Nice article. I wish Lebanese people still wrote and spoke Phoenician.