Panic in Baghdad as ISIS militants are reportedly less than 2 miles away

Islamic State militants
Islamic State militants
The Vicar of Baghdad sent an SOS from the besieged Iraqi capital Monday and warned that the murderous Islamic State militants were breathing down their necks.

“ISIS are now just 5 miles away from Baghdad,” Canon Andrew White, who runs the last Anglican church in Iraq, wrote on his Facebook page. “Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy. We need you.”

White posted the alarm after Iraqi forces — backed by air strikes from the U.S.-led coalition — appeared to have stymied an earlier ISIS advance on the city.

Pentagon officials noted that the Iraqi Army and ISIS have been fighting for weeks on the outskirts of the sprawling city and that Baghdad itself remains in government hands.

So it wasn’t immediately clear whether White’s panicked post around 5 p.m. Eastern time was prompted by a renewed ISIS offensive. And the cleric did not respond to several emails seeking comment about the evolving — and terrifying — crisis.

In a posting seven hours earlier, White warned that ISIS was less than 2 miles away and described a Baghdad filled with foreboding.

“People are very fearful the nation looks as if it has collapsed,” White wrote. “The usual hectic and crazy streets were this morning almost empty.”

White, 50, who also heads the British-based charity Foundation for Relief and Reconciliation in the Middle East, said the Iraqi Army was no match for ISIS.

“This morning I was with one of my soldiers who is assigned by the government to protect me,” White wrote. “I asked him what he would do if he saw ISIS coming. He told me he would take off his uniform and run.”

White wrote that when he asked his bodyguard “if he took seriously his role as a soldier to fight and protect his people,” the soldier said no.

“He told me he just did it because he needed the money,” White wrote.

There was more fierce fighting in the area Monday, but the Iraqi Army apparently was able to stop the ISIS forces bearing down on the key city of Amariya al-Fallujah, about 25 miles west of Baghdad, the BBC reported.

Meanwhile, ISIS continued to attack the Kurdish town of Kobani in northern Syria, sending thousands of terrified residents fleeing for the Turkish border.

The Kurds have been resisting, but they are outgunned by ISIS. And while the Turks have sent tanks to the border, so far they haven’t lifted a finger to help the Kurds, who face being massacred if ISIS keeps advancing.

Overnight, U.S. warplanes bombed ISIS positions in Iraq’s Anbar Province and blasted militant-controlled oil facilities near the Syrian cities of Aleppo, Raqqa, Hassakeh and Deir el-Zour.

Originally published in the New York Daily News by DAN FRIEDMAN , SASHA GOLDSTEIN , CORKY SIEMASZKO

  • sweetvirgo

    What a shame….Iraq had so much history. Holy shrines…home to millions of Christians and now look at what it’s become. Even muslims are fearful of these thugs. God help the innocent. God help the people who just want to live in peace.

    • MekensehParty

      Nobody wants peace in the ME
      Not even the locals who call themselves Christians and who know nothing of Christianity but the name.

      • sweetvirgo

        What’s happening to this world?? So many people doing horrid things. I read that this mom and dad in PA are arrested for starving their 9 yeard old son to death(he was autistic). Theres always something bad.

        • MekensehParty

          Insanity is everywhere and in every human
          religions, nationalities… are all headlines to justify this insanity
          but it has been fought and gradually defeated throughout human history and the fight continues regardless of the titles we give to our wars.

          • sweetvirgo

            God help us all…what else is there to say

        • Maborlz Ez-Hari

          End of days stuff, wars, disasters, dieases and mass confusion.

          • 5thDrawer

            As I have said before, there’s a lot of people always trying to make those old book tales come true. This is another wave of it.

      • Hannibal

        So fast to judge… What the hell do you know about Iraqi Christians to spew your self promoting Christian values… You are just an idiot behind a keyboard who tucked your tail and ran from your own country and hid behind an American flag pretending that you invented the U.S. nation and appear to be the spokesperson of the Americans. Honestly I am fucking tired of your bullshit… I usually stay out of the BS but enough is enough… So why don’t you really STFU.

        • MekensehParty

          I know much more than you do about the xenophobic island-communities of the self-proclaimed Christians of the East. I happen to experiment, read and research before forming an opinion. One thing I know for sure is that they’re waiting for the day where they can reclaim all this lost land they call theirs and clean it from the “jarabs” who came from the southern deserts. That’s what you’re actually waiting for yourself, the day when you’ll ride back on some American Horse and drive the Muslims out of the pure Christian land. pfff
          I know your fantasies and I judge them as such!
          The East has been lost to the Muslims and there is no need to keep crying about it.
          We’re all idiots behind a keyboard, don’t think you’re any better than any other idiot around here, and yes I fled the madness because I saw it for what it is MADNESS. There was never a place for me in that shitty society I had the geographic misfortune to be tied to even if partially. I have absolutely no shame identifying with my US nationality of which I’m very proud since it answers that which I believe in, and yes I have serious anger against Lebanese because of their blind pride that I think should be smashed because they have absolutely nothing to be proud of.
          I speak for and defend MY country against such vain losers who roam on this blog or others going about insulting America and the Americans while coming from barbarian societies and live by the law of the jungle at best.
          I KNOW you and will always remind you with great accuracy of who you truly are. [edited]

          • Hannibal

            You are pathological really… Look at you hanging around a Lebanese site but pretending to have espoused American values… Really laughable.
            As to your accusations they do not stick… I am close to two Lebanese families/friends and they are Shia and Sunnis and I have no intention on sending them anywhere. You keep generalizing and I bet you anything you are one of those who think all of Italy is mafia or all of Germany is Nazi etc.
            You know NADA… You pretend to know based on your prejudices.
            If the people choose Islam they are still Lebanese as much as they choose atheism or whatever. Those Islamists were made by the CIA to wreak havoc in the East. Now that they are out of control they are back to stop them.
            Look at you now… You know me. Really? You know nothing of me nor of what I believe in however I do know you: A SELF HATING LEBANESE… Your finger is too small to hide behind it even if it is wrapped by the star spangled banner…

          • MekensehParty

            This is your problem Hani and it has been since we first started arguing you and I. You’re like all these Lebanese who left a shitty place, knowing how shitty it is, made a respectable life in most cases outside that shitty place but were never able to let go of that pride you were brainwashed to believe. And it kills you that others took that dirty shirt named the Lebanese identity and burnt it simply and without a problem and blended in a civilized societies. 1000 years in the US is not going to make you civilized because you only ran to civilization to lay low in its security and return one day “when it calms down” to be the jaggal of the neighborhood again.
            you’ve always been an az3ar and I bet until today you start scratching at red lights or get itchy when there’s a lane.
            Go back is all I’m saying if you cant live anywhere else, if you miss the water of sawfar or Aida from high school. Go, pack your bags and return to fight with those “innocent” Christians, no one’s stopping you.
            No one but the truth, that you know deep inside but your pride doesn’t allow you to pronounce the words, this little voice of reason in your brain who reminds you every time you take the emotional decision to “return”: where do you think you’re going?
            And you stay, living in contradiction, and you talk shit on blogs, but you stay…

          • Hannibal

            All my family is still there old and young… My wife is visiting her parents as we speak. We bought a house to retire in as soon as we are done with our kids’ college. My sister owns her own very successful business and despite the fact she can leave anytime and she has serious money she choose to stay and live there.
            Unlike you who want things to be fixed so you get your pampered ass over there we are trying to fix this home despite the challenges. People like you will tuck their tails and abandon their second home for a third one the minute this one goes to shit because you lack the strength, the loyalty and the heart… Where to next? Russia? Keep running. man nakara aslahou la asla lahou… Run Forest Run.

          • 5thDrawer

            Errrr … your sister wouldn’t like to hire a couple of Lebanese women … possibly … would she?? (I’d recommend them.)
            By the way, I know 2 good ‘Fixer-upper’ properties for sale in Tripoli …
            A third in good condition … if you can chase out the Syrian who stole it three years ago … a seemingly impossible task – but maybe a ‘challenge’ for the adventurous.

          • Hannibal

            Tripoli? You lost your mind? I love Byblos. This is where I’m at. 😛

          • MekensehParty

            @5th
            You gotta understand 5th that tripoli for the Christians of Jbeil is eastern syria. While the drive on an empty road would take 15min from “Byblos” to tripoli and people there speak the same language very few “Phoenicians” would venture there because it’s full of Muslims.
            They’d rather spend their whole life in the bubble extending from Jbeil to Ashrafieh which is the extent of the cave mentioned before.
            And then they give lessons on origins without having visited more than one third of their country of origins. Worth mentioning is that the whole place is smaller than a big city.

          • Hannibal

            You are so full of it…
            My wife and her folks live in Tripoli but it is not pleasant to retire there because it is crowded for my taste THAT is why I chose Jbeil and because it is close to the North as well as to Beirut so stop twisting words to prove your hatred. I love every inch of Lebanon and its people from every corner of it. Here is a gift for you:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmoixeVi5Io

          • MekensehParty

            Go and stay there
            I love every inch of the US and its people from every corner, that is those who became Americans, not the flow of refugees pit stopping before they go back to their shitty origins.
            This is the land of Man and where you come from is the land of the jazma. Go back to “Byblos” and say hello to the Irani jazma of Hezbollah, the Syrian mecheye of assad or lately the Da3esh jazma coming soon to a store near you.
            Go find the same prosperity there that you found here. Go, wlak alf mabrouk if this is what you want and where you want to retire, surrounded by not one but two or three slaves if this is what you miss.
            Go to the shitty restaurant where they’re serving you expired meat, breath the polluted air that will give you cancer and send your kids to the segregated schools where they learn to hate Muslims, Jews, srilankis, and everything that’s not “Phoenician”.
            Here’s another lebanese say for you
            Chehad wou mcharat.
            Prove me wrong, pack the mini berdawneh that you brought in the bag you were carrying when you disembarked from the boat that got you here and go back to your origins.

          • Hannibal

            I do not have to stay in one place like you do ya ma7doud… We have a house in the U.S. another in Switzerland and two in Lebanon. I intend to follow the Sun while you sit on your rocking chair watching football.

          • MekensehParty

            even if you have a house on Mars you’ll put the picture of Mar Charbil in the bedroom.
            And I sincerely hope he keeps an eye on you and your family.
            Live the way you want and accept that some are ready to remove what they consider a stinky skin for very good reasons.
            For me it doesn’t matter where you are born as much as the path you’ve taken, may it be within that geographic limit or outside of it. My convictions led me to where I am and not the circumstances.
            I do sit already on a rocking chair and watch football, drink beers, bullshit with friends while the kids are playing and it is very enjoyable. Especially when you’re safe. The choices I’ve taken to live peacefully could have been taken by Lebanese of all varieties and flavors and the beautiful nature they were born in could have been turned in a beautiful oasis of good food and “beautiful” women.
            But instead, all the peoples within this society were not able to agree where or how to stir the boat that they just pirated from the French. The boat sank multiple times and is about to sink yet one more time, by the time you retire there might no longer be a “Lebanon”, and the Lebanese in all their flavors have no one to blame but themselves.

          • Hannibal

            I actually have the picture of Maar Charbel in my pocket. I fail to see what’s wrong with that? If you want to worship football it is fine by me as well… But my faith is mine and I do not shove it down your throat or anyone else’s… My kids do not believe in any religion and it is fine by me as well.

          • MekensehParty

            I told you I know you

          • Hannibal

            No you don’t… I meditate and pilgrim Buddhist style. Do you really know me?

          • MekensehParty

            Of course I know you, you’re a wannabe jaggal from Jbeil

          • Hannibal

            meesik hal kelme men danaba wu meeche… ma7doud like I said.
            By definition a jaggal is a young man and I am far from young.
            Now please take your ISIS like hatred of other nations and go on an American site and leave us be since you gave up on yourself.

          • MekensehParty

            I will not let you be,
            I’m the Mekenseh I’m always here to wipe the dirt and there’s plenty of that on this website.

          • Hannibal

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA8EprTnVK0

            mina el mawtini el saghir naroudou el arda
            wa nazri be koulli chattin quraana
            nata7adda el dounia chou3ouban wa amsara
            wu nabni anna nasha2 Loubnaana

            Yes we build a Lebanon in every corner because Lebanon is the motherlode of civilization…

          • MekensehParty

            All you brought to the conversation is poetry, inflated pride and emotions. Not one fact.
            Stop ridiculing yourself. feiruz and majida el roumi don’t build countries. Disney world attracts more people than lebanon.

          • Hannibal

            In every corner of the globe there is a LEBANESE community and they thrive in their culture…
            Off to the bakery with my young son for a man2uuche… 😀
            Hmmmm we bring Lebanon to everyone… How cool is that?
            BTW CONGRATULATIONS on Clooney marrying a LEBANESE…

          • MekensehParty

            wlok ya Hani, stop repeating yourself, exporting the man’ouche doesn’t mean you’re civilized. Lebanese communities everywhere means exactly that lebanese are incapable of staying in their own country. Open your goddam eyes and realize that your pride is based on the lebanese cuisine and some the beauty of some lebanese women. That’s all you were able to bring to the conversation. You haven’t said one word in reply to the main questions that truly form a nation, a people, an identity. Every time I show a major flaw in the (fake) Lebanese society you tell me the hummus is great. Look at your passport, does it say the republic of hummus on it?
            You who pretend to be Lebanese you seem to know nothing about lebanon but it’s cuisine and the looks of a couple brunettes allowed to wear bikinis as long as sayyid Hassan allow them.
            Be constructive, talk with facts, come up with and support arguments, ideas, principles… Enough empty poetry.
            Still waiting to hear from you about who wants peace in Lebanon? And don’t tell me the batenjein wants peace for god’s sake.

          • Hannibal

            Don’t you want peace? That’s a start!

          • MekensehParty

            of course I want peace, but I’m not Lebanese nor am I thinking of retiring there. But you are Lebanese, so tell me do you want peace?

          • Hannibal

            so this makes two of us… This is how peace starts and I know many many who are like you and I. Give them a credit.

          • MekensehParty

            I will give them credit once they face some truth, such as there is nothing so great about us, we succumbed to the worse temptations and sinned our way to low hell.
            Only when they will realize the ugly society they built can they move to building a better society. As long as they talk poetry and how great everything is they still believe that nothing should change.
            Jesus applied baptism to free people from the original sin with some water on the head. Time for the lebanese to go modestly bath in the Mediterranean and ask for forgiveness for what they did to themselves and the “country”.

          • Hind Abyad

            There’s no more beach for the people, they became private luxury condos with security fences, sold by “politicians” who get elected by investors using their positions to sell their country, investing Lebanese land and money in Emirates real estates.

          • 5thDrawer

            (bathing at Mt. Sidon could be an iffy proposition …)

          • MekensehParty

            lol

          • MekensehParty

            “BTW CONGRATULATIONS on Clooney marrying a LEBANESE”
            Yeah, congrats you have a new Daddy
            (you can’t let this one pass)

          • Hind Abyad

            He’s being silly.. :))

          • 5thDrawer

            He can afford to be …;-)

          • Hind Abyad

            put oil on fire..

          • 5thDrawer

            mmmmm .. was that a ‘suggestive’ comment? 😉

          • Hind Abyad

            I said he’s being silly to calm the tempers.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            You need to give yourself a real good slap to the back of the head, clear all the dirt from your ears there’s plenty of that from what we read.

          • MekensehParty

            I can’t tell the amount of dirt that the mekenseh picked out when I shed my old skin.

          • Hind Abyad

            Like almost a human sneak..

          • Guest

            You are a monster, in its true meaning, a one of a kind that people show with their fingers. And many have done so in here as I can see.
            I have seen many things in my life but an ex-Lebanese bashing Lebanon and with such passion is a pure novelty to me. I’ve only heard the best things about Lebanon from Lebanese and the worst things on the news.
            Needless to say that monsters are interesting, and you “shedding” your Lebanese skin was a sight… and very courageous as well.
            You seem to have a lot to say, I’d simply advise that you say it with less “intensity” and I’m sure more people will listen better.

          • MekensehParty

            They understand with insults only. Many calm people have tried to talk sense into the proud Lebanese and they replied with insults. If it’s any satisfaction I’ve edited many of the insults I really meant to say.
            Anyway thanks for the advise, i’ll try to be nicer
            as for calling me a monster go @$@@ %$##@#@$ lol
            just kidding, I realize you meant it in a good way

          • 5thDrawer

            Sometimes it’s good to ‘shake up’ the complacent in any society. :-)))
            And sometimes, your own will even leave you alone after that. :-))))
            (there are nut-bars everywhere …)

          • MekensehParty

            Always good to keep it edgy 😉

          • Hind Abyad

            Nobody are more complacent than you and Meke, tell me how to trust the West or simply US. Cent-Com.
            US Central Command allowed a long ISIS convoy which
            was allowed to join the offensive.
            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29490256 Edgy..

          • 5thDrawer
          • Hind Abyad

            I didn’t see people having fun..

          • MaImequer0

            Fireworks sweetie, it’s a party… boom boom, just like fish in a barrel… what? No fun? Maybe it’s more fun thousands of miles away in Montreal no? Maybe they should all do some ‘art therapy’.. sit around and analyse their dreams…
            Sick sweetie…☻

          • Hind Abyad

            You’ve been mentioning where i live on YaLibnan
            since one year now, my 514 code *to my private parts allusions with barabia*, allusions to Art, Fireworks, Party, charades to impress who..me? (i guess)..
            The charade refers to your “The Master of the Holly Land” friend Arik, the IDF veteran who said “Gaza 2008
            was a party”..death threats? Come over and kill me coward..

          • Hind Abyad
          • MaImequer0

            you need a dime for all the garbage….

          • Hind Abyad

            You lonely?

          • 5thDrawer

            Basic stupidity that no-one wants to confess to. 😉
            “The Islamic State is a clear creation of” … the United States … Turkey … just Erdogan … one Wanna-Be Caliph … the brain-confused of the world by religions … various tribes who want to live in a despotic system … various tribes who don’t want to … and, not to leave out, the World’s Greatest Theorists who can’t figure out the basic human instinct – kill to live alone in peace. :-)))))

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            There’s more where that came from champ.

          • Hind Abyad

            Sir wipe the dirt from your own head.
            To imagine, suppose, assume, interpret my stalker is someone i know who must have a reason for pursuing me.. for some wrong i did him, to put a human face on an Internet phantom is not very intelligent, nor instinctive.
            It shows “there’s plenty of dirt in your head”.
            Sir you’re delusional he’s simply an Israeli right wing Zionist, he said to me 2yrs ago; ‘Price Tag’ for defending Palestinians.
            He comes here to discredit me to torment; “Sweetie, that’s funny”..

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Leave the yalibnan blog and join the Ya amerkani blogs if they exist. You are a spiteful grub with ZERO assel.

          • MekensehParty

            You can’t banish me from a blog! That’s ridiculous. I’m here to say what I’d like to say, if you’re bothered look away. I wonder when you’ll get rid of that mazzeh mentality of censoring people.
            Why does the truth hurt you so much? Why do you call a valid statement such as” no one wants peace in the ME” spiteful grub. Why do you get all defensive when I list the flaws of your countries. I’ve been saying true facts about the Lebanese and Arab societies and you reply to me with tabouleh and women.
            What is your answer to slavery in Lebanon? What is your answer to the impossible brotherly relations between its components? What do you say about the level of corruption? And for effin once can you make your intentions clear about what kind of country or countries you want?
            Prove me wrong with facts
            I’m tired of feiruz poetry

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I asked you to banish yourself, the things you like to say other people don’t want to see. You call Lebanon the land of jazzma and so on, you mock people for carrying or having a picture of Mar Charbel and so on, you are free and welcome to love every inch of America if it was good to you then you should, but don’t knock the country of origin for so many who love it. Nothing is like Lebanon it’s just a shame that it has been through so much misfortune.

          • Hannibal

            Well said!

          • MekensehParty

            Oh because what your barbaric pride did to Lebanon is something people would like to see? You think that you can go ahead and burn a country by your cowardice and corruption and not allow reactions or criticism from other people?
            What’s the difference between your conversation techniques and that of the Syrian mokhabarat that stopped you one day on a checkpoint. “Skot wla” “get out of Libnan, Iza mech 3ajbak” remember?
            And you want to be taken seriously…

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Go back and read through your posts, most of them contain negative criticisms that are consistent with someone suffering from a pessimistic view of life. I don’t know what your trying to prove, generally most people love they’re history and origins and most Lebanese love their origins too, except for the odd twit you for example. Time to get over your sad self and start thinking positive.
            Regiy utyumar Lebnan, huryabaa, huryabaa…………

          • MekensehParty

            More poetry and even less answers. Consider me an outside observer and talk to me with facts. I asked you if the people of Lebanon can decide for themselves you said NO. When I asked you to confirm what you just said you evaded confirming. Show us your greatness with facts not songs and emotions. Still waiting on that.

          • Hind Abyad

            Talk with facts when you assume i know my stalker.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            The opinions of the outside observer mean little, like I said before, huryabaa, huryabaa regiy lubnan…

          • MekensehParty

            I offer you opportunity after another to prove that you are worthy of a country and you reply with mediocrity, disdain and more pride.
            Can you guys please stop proving me right? You’re making it too easy.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Thank you so much for the opportunity mekanseh man, but you need to step up a few notches before you are able to comprehend what people have been trying to tell you. Your in a class of your own thank goodness, but keep at it don’t be discouraged by your lack of everything related to assel.

          • Hind Abyad

            Robert Ford, ex Irak, Libya, Syria, ambassador..
            So I know my Stalker?..tfoo aleik.
            http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/04/opinion/remember-our-syrian-allies.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2

          • 5thDrawer

            When I ‘observed’ with the camera, I had choices to make … adjusting the view slightly can leave a picture of sad reality … or some magnificent scene.
            It’s the photographer who chooses what he wants to be seen.

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            We’ll then I think people need to focus on the positives, if there are no positives try photoshopping.

          • 5thDrawer

            But hiding the facts behind a facade of romantic artistry doesn’t fix anything.
            We all have an ‘attachment’ to the damned place, or we wouldn’t be in this atmosphere all the time. [unless masochistic 😉 ]
            If the idea of ‘the blog’ was to find answers, one cannot ignore the facts.
            Trouble is, after all this time we know the problems, and the answers in most cases (like electricity woes), and most have been talked to death, and still nothing changes. No-one ‘in control’ does anything to address the faults … except in small ways in very few small ‘local’ towns that ALSO decided to wash their hands of the ‘whole picture’ and simply operate on their own – self-interest above the ‘all’, of course. One needs to survive … somehow.
            But it becomes a ‘Mean Existence’.

            ONE very small example – of how minds need to change, and can.
            I felt guilty throwing a candy-bar wrapper out of the car, or a coffee cup … Tripoli friend said: ‘Why are you saving that?’ I said, ‘For a garbage-can’.
            The car breaks out in laughter …. ‘Where did you see a garbage can??’
            Friend grabs the things from me, opens window and tosses.
            I don’t give up this ‘habit’ I have, even as they point out that ‘it’s normal here.’
            After a few weeks, they are looking for garbage cans for me to use, or we carry it back to the hotel. (respect for MY desires)
            AND I see some things were remembered…
            After the last three years of ‘war’ in Tripoli they sent a picture of the pile of junk paper and plastic in the streets … lead isn’t as obvious.
            OF COURSE it needs more than three people changing their minds about HOW THEY THEMSELVES MAKE the situation.
            I’d agree with Mekenseh that very few ‘respect’ Lebanon … even if they like the music. Sweeping the dirt to the corners of the room to make the dance-floor usable isn’t solving the problems … eventually the dance-floor is too small to be of much use.

          • Hind Abyad

            pssst..the ‘like’ is not from me..Malmequer wants to seduce you.

          • Hind Abyad

            You’re so anti Arab anti Lebanon pro Aipac that the Mulemaquer gives you his approbation as the
            “Conman di Alba” (Alba is Abyad in Spanish)
            is MakensehParty Morocan Makhzenian Party?

          • MaImequer0

            another conspiracy? ☻

          • Hind Abyad

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzethief

          • 5thDrawer

            Nhawww … they are filled with ‘sports freaks’. :-)))))))
            (man .. I gotta get out of here for a while … my fingers are causing too much ‘revisioning’ ….)

          • Hind Abyad

            :))

          • Hind Abyad

            Exactly, you’re a genius:))

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            I know darling, I know.

          • 5thDrawer

            Simple Bottom Line … yes.

          • MekensehParty

            Until they recognize their own responsibility nothing will change

          • 5thDrawer

            Travel doesn’t agree with everyone’s temperament, even if they have the cash.
            I once sat for a few hours on the cliffs near Dieppe France And contemplated an existence there … so peaceful, nice farm-fields … tall grasses, and a great view, small quiet town nearby.
            Of course, it was a rare sunny day…. :-)))

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Mekansah party, can love every inch of America for the rest off it’s life, but it needs to keep it’s perverse thoughts and opinions in the ghetto of a brain it has.

          • 5thDrawer

            But he has a point Hannibal. Many descent folks moved OUT of Tripoli over the last three years only because of the gang-wars. It’s not hatred … it’s a realization that your life is at risk just for being there.
            Allow me to say it doesn’t seem a viable option for a retired guy. 🙂
            I am surprised only by the resilience of the ladies …

            (They say to me, while they record and send on the cell-phone the ‘night sounds’ of the mini-wars that took two of their homes: ‘Come. We miss you.’ …. Errrr … ya, right.)

          • Patience2

            And maybe you might have a nice pic of Haifa Wehbe too?

          • 5thDrawer

            I assume also, that there are not as many bullets coming through walls in Jbeil … or in Byblos … as there are in Tripoli. And one can get a wine with dinner. It was the preferred ‘driving distance’ location to have a party in a good restaurant. Just need to go through the ‘checkpoints’ again to return to Tripoli.
            :-))))

          • Hannibal

            Actually it is a little entertaining to hear action now and then 😉 Besides the gang wars in the streets of Dorchester MA is not different and those flying the bullets are hardly the Lebanese 😛

          • dateam

            So please explain why in tripoli when people leave they always say they are going to beirut? What bubble are you talking about?

          • MekensehParty

            The bubble that Hannibal and most Christians of Lebanon live in which is batroun to Gemmayze to zahle. They visited baalbeck or tripoli parce que c’est cool et ya dla teuf a baalbeck but make Jean Francois spend a couple of weeks in tripoli and he’ll need to go get a cure a Paris.

          • Hannibal

            The Lebanon you describe is no more… During the unfortunate civil war the Lebanese schism was plain vertical because of the mistakes they made by getting sucked into the global cold war and because they allowed some to be disgruntled. Although they learned their lesson sadly every sect does it to the other and it is obviously the leadership that is to blame. I see my relatives and my friends work and try to make things better but the current situation in the Middle East is ripe with change and that “Arab Spring” shows that a lot of people want change and alas the Islamists hijacked the revolution. Say what you want but every nation goes through growing pains. But honestly I do not know what neighborhood you grew up in but you describe a different experience than I had as I went to AUB and lived in West Beirut and went on the weekends to the East sector and had a great experience on both sides and made good friends on each side.

            I really feel VERY sorry for you… Not only that you are a self-hating Lebanese you are an isolationist xenophobic psychotic individual ma7doud like some Lebanese… You claim that you shed the skin but still behave like the old Lebanese by saying “henne” lumping everyone into one bag. To shed your skin you really need to espouse the American values of diversity and acceptance although not everyone in the U.S. has those values. You remind me of these videos:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRX31HOikws

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0D4_hFnRlU

            I feel so sorry for you because you act like those bigots AGAINST YOUR OWN RACE.

            I really do hope you get some help.

          • MekensehParty

            I’m not a self hating lebanese and stop feeling sorry for me, it’s a beautiful experience to fully live an American life just like locals from different origins, each having their own traditions and cuisines and women ya khaye. your pity is very misplaced and is part of your thinking that nothing beats a picnic in some joura of hrajil just because it’s on lebanese soil.
            As to my race comment, cool it down bibi, the Israelis are recruiting. Which reminds me how these people too are so proud of their promised land. The funny part is that you blame each other for the exact same sin. Pride.

          • Hind Abyad

            and Prejudice.

          • 5thDrawer

            The evidence of the experiment … most are NOT the bigoted idiots … but unfortunately most are ‘silent’. That ‘silent majority’ … who also may not be voting either, in the way they turned out to in the Middle East when given half a chance in the belief that they could make some difference – even when bombed out of the polling-station lines. I really wonder how things would be if EVERYONE turned out to vote freely for what they FEEL they are.
            (And I don’t mean Assad’s or Putin’s constant popularity numbers)

          • MekensehParty

            Are they really a silent majority? I don’t think so 5th. A majority is never silent. 90% of the votes go for “traditional” parties with an average of 45%-50% participation each election. The Lebanese are not silent, they just love the az3ar that represents them.

          • 5thDrawer

            hahahahaha …. Aoun The Loon ?? :-)))))
            But I mean if we had 85% turn-outs. I sometimes think the worst governments we’ve had were the ones with the 35% ….
            Wierdly, all the women liked Trudeau …. he had ‘charisma’ I never saw.
            I think things improved here when they began to allow ‘early’ pollings before the polling date. Work-life being what it is these days, that gave the folks half a chance to go vote.
            Democracy is a slow progression …..

          • MekensehParty

            Aoun, Geagea, Gemayil, Franjieh… they’re all militia people, za3ran. and that’s who Lebanese in their majority love and vote for come election day. Berri, Nasrallah, Jumblat… more militia families. Pirates. The only one without a militia they blew him and so his son is building one.
            True with 100% votes independent voters will have a bigger chunk but the majority is well on the side of the gangsters, and they made sure to kick out anyone with a brain, even from blogs 😉

          • Hannibal
          • 5thDrawer

            And, Hannibal, NOT that I’m against success in life and a moneyed background, but the ‘personal experiences’ of life can be quite different for those of us who don’t have it, or never had the vaunted ‘higher’ educations, AS WELL AS being from one town or another. These are things that impact as greatly on a view of ‘world’ as they do on the kids from the ‘other side’ of the tracks – who, in the end, may not be different at all in their ability to be human – to be good people.
            I recall one quote 😉
            ‘Money can’t buy happiness … but it sure makes being sad a lot easier.’

          • 5thDrawer

            LOL … good thing I’m not Quebecois then. :-)))))

          • MekensehParty

            Do you remember Charlemagne in the Septieme/middle school? Not the French emperor, but the dark looking kid that sat next to you in class and who’s mom thought that Charlemagne sounds a very sophisticated name for a boy?

          • 5thDrawer

            hehehehe … I had one named Pahtikinen … we called him K9 … I remember him because he was a friend, AND especially a great cartoonist. Every school-book they gave him ended up with drawings in it and on it … hahahahaha
            I can’t say what country that was from … didn’t matter to me …but I know what you mean … Mom did have a way of saying what she was thinking. :-)))

          • 5thDrawer

            Yah. I know. Too sad. And bombed-out buildings sit for aeons as testament to the Syrian Disease. The Beirut friend says: ‘Careful there … it’s a different country.’ … and her Christian ‘sect’ is different than the Christian ‘sect’ of the Tripoli friends (who are both different themselves) … and yet they all say they are Lebanese and I know they are ALL good, warm, loving, and caring people – I wouldn’t have been impressed with them if they were not.
            And they are driven down … by Different ‘Syrian Diseases’.

          • 5thDrawer

            Yah Mekenseh … In the Real Estate advertising, the Key Word is ‘Calm Area’ for the Half-Million-Dollar-Plus apartments …. :-)))
            Space for TWO cars?? Make it a Million. :-)))

            Prices in Tripoli – 350 to 400 thou for one of the lady’s apartments.
            So the ‘war-boys’ burned her out, along with the other tenants, and killed one old man with the smoke. Can she sell it now?
            In a ‘normal world’ the land is the highest price … the concrete structure is still there … Assume at the absolute most per apartment, 50 thou to clean it up, re-wire, re-plumb, re-drywall … and every apt. chips in to fix the leaky roof.
            LET ALONE the thought that it was a ‘gang vs army’ battle and that ‘The State’ should compensate her to some ‘fair level’, and it would give needed work to some people …..
            Does anyone offer even 200 thou so she she can stay alive somewhere else??
            NOPE. Lebanon wants her to die so there’s no ‘title-hold’ on the place.

            All over the landscape, not only in the city, one can see empty shells of buildings, or half-empty, or in some cases simply abandoned windowless homes … waiting forever for someone to ‘claim’ them. (many now occupied by refugees, of course.) It’s a Lebanese Tradition .. something about ‘culture’.

          • MekensehParty

            Hurryaba Hurryaba…

          • 5thDrawer

            Actually Hannibal I loved it too ….. although I noticed the population figures were much higher than in 1970 … it had changed like many places have with an over-abundance of ‘like’. ;-)) Can’t say it’s all bad … the appearance of a touristy zone around the Crusades castle is a plus I feel … done in a tasteful style, and better than the tent for selling trinkets. :-)) Comfortable place to sit in the plaza – or the empty church-yard.
            Not the best beach-sand there …. different-coloured stone.

          • Patience2

            Is the ‘Mexican Consulate’ still there?? (Byblos)

          • Hind Abyad

            Trablous Trablous.. all day..

          • 5thDrawer

            Zgharta was very nice …. no beach, but out of the heavy sweat.

          • MekensehParty

            until you meet a zghertawe and smell real heavy sweat lol

          • 5thDrawer

            I thought that was olive oil oozing …. especially after seeing the garbage plowed into the orchards …. but being used to a cooler-air country I was always the sweatiest anywhere …. although I HAD brought a supply of the favourite Deodorant. (hmmm … maybe why the girls liked me … ;-)) )

          • MekensehParty

            Chi bekharre.
            You have no assel the lebanese to give lessons in oussoul. You’re a country of clans who hid in the mountains while every passing army raped what it can of you. And you are the bastards sons of these armies of all colors and ethnicity. Every one who marries your mothers you call him dady and today you run back to all those daddies you have to help you fight each other. The whorehouse that Lebanon is should turn that red light all night and without shame. You are sold to every country in the world and yous speak of assel?
            I never denied my own assel, which happens to be the wish of living a civilized normal life, respected by my community. It happened that 325 million Americans thought the same when they left their own shity “assel” to move for a respectful life away from the fake poetry and sayings that keep the idiots attached by using words like assel.
            Why wait for retirement, go now if you think you can change all that. But no, you want your US retirement money first, right. So that you take these American dollars and be the jaggal isn’t it Hani.
            If you had such a strong assel you wouldn’t have left, no one would have left if they had any assel, no one would have had to leave if that country and its people’s had any assel.

          • Hannibal

            oh you are so right a lot of people moved here for the plentiful resources, until they run out that is… That being said ya Mr. bekharre I have close to 100 people I manage from all over the world and you name it: Indians, Irish, Natives, French, Canadians, Far Easterns, Greeks, Iranians, Pakistanis, Jewish, Moslems, Christians, Buddhists, Blacks, yellow and green if you wish it (speaking of a bastard nation) … YET NONE NONE and NONE spit in their past nor do they degrade their origins. They are all proud of their nationalities. Everyone takes vacations in their home countries and funny that many natives born here also travel to other countries. Those 325 Million Americans are the pinnacle of diversity and hardly I met an individual who does not embrace this diversity. Everyone swears by Lebanese food and specially Lebanese women. AH those women they are to die for… I LOVE LEBANESE WOMEN.

          • MekensehParty

            you said it: your country of “origins” is great for sex and food.
            Is it great at anything else?
            Congratulations on such origins.

          • Hannibal

            I never mentioned sex… I said I love Lebanese women. I love my mother do you happen to have sex with your mother? Really you are getting weird by the second.
            As to the the question you ask: “Is it great at anything else?” Yes plenty
            Like screwing with bitter people like you all day is a hobby of ours…
            Now really let us psychoanalyze you a little… Were you like abused as a child? Bullied in school? or failed to get laid in Lebanon so you hate it so much?

          • Hind Abyad

            Petit bourgeois..pride and prejudice insufferable man

          • dateam

            Why waste your time on that? My brother moved back there from Australia and he was born in Australia. The article has nothing to do with lebanon maybe hes high on something? Offer him a rug so he can wipe himself under it.

          • 5thDrawer

            ‘…. moved to there ..’ … can’t be ‘back’ if he’s Australian.

          • MekensehParty

            And here comes the bastard of an Iranian to help you pick your pieces. No shame being sold to Iran but Austarlia? Istaghfarallah

          • dateam

            Ignorance is bliss. As they say you can take a person out of the village but you cant take a person out of the village.If you are frustrated be frustrated at your own. You sit here and spit out your sectarian crap and you cant see it for what it is. Heres a little breakdown for you. How many muslims in the world? Lets say 1.5 billion? Lets say 1.2 billion are sunni? The rest is whatever it is? Now break that down into the arab world forget asia for a second because they have it more together than in the arab world. What has been achieved? Name one country that has achieved anything from human rights to equal opportunity to rights of the minorities to even own human rights? Dictators have come and gone no stability from day one. The khalij has all the money in the world yet their people still strive to have dignity. KSA has over 16 trillion dollars in american banks imagine what the zika on that to the poor would equal? The french and british split up the arab world and made them kingdoms? Jordan is a kingdom? Kingdom of what? A doctor barely makes $500 a month. They have sold out the palestinians for 70 years. During the recent war it was only iran and hzb that helped them militarily the rest did nothing. Use cant even get along with each other. Who do you blame for libya, egypt,sudan,kenya,nigeria,afghanistan, and on and on and on. You see you are the majority in the arab world so it is you that has to accept blame because you have the power not the minority. Dont blame a minority for just trying to live. Dont sit halfway across the world and spit your ignorance out to the whole world and blame everyone. It is those you support that have let everyone down. Fix your own house before spitting your drivel out. All the wealth in the world yet we are below any form of advancement compared to the rest of the world. Hate is all you know because thats what you have been taught. What is it you want? One day you blame iran well iran has had sanctions since 1979 and look how strong it has become? Then its the hzb? Well look where their people were and how strong they have become? then its the christians who have assymilated and advanced and tried to just get along and live. Come on who is their to blame? Emir of qatar overthrows his own father in 1995 did he not? If someone throws their own father out then whats he going to do for anyone else and now look whats happened to him? When the shah of iran was in power the kalij used to kiss his hand because he was an american puppet. All these dictators that have come and gone were once all american puppets were they not? Your problem is you envy the zaem and power. its all about control. Egypt was a battle between saudia arabia vs qatar and turkey. One group supports the brotherhood the other supports the salafis. Come on broom stick who created this disease? Who financed them? Who armed them? How can they just come from nowhere and take control as they have. Talking about lebanon how many zaems can your community have? Why dont your people ask and demand what they are entitled to? Tripoli is the second largest city in lebanon it should be the second best city in lebanon why isnt it? Arsal and akkar have been neglected all these years now they are important for all the wrong reasons? Now tell me hariri is the best sunni leader in lebanon to be pm? Why because of his intellect or because of his money? People like daher back stab the army one minute then go to the funerals of fallen soldiers from their own areas killed by people they support? Now you tell me what is it you want? Have you been all over lebanon? Have you? You would be surprised to learn that not all of lebanon is like tripoli , arsal and akkar. Whether you like it or not and we are all insignificant in all of this any way but we are the only country that went on the front foot with this disease and thank god we did because look whats happened in iraq. If you think this wasnt coming then you are naive. Look around you it is your community that has let down the arab world down use have the power not anyone else. If you think living in the west makes you smarter or better than anyone else then you are wrong because you have learnt nothing. You claim righteousness yet you are so quick at being a racist, sectarian,ignorant, naive little child that cant handle what the truth is out there. Divide and conquer. Stop blaming the world for your problems.

          • The real lebanese

            “Egypt was a battle between saudia arabia vs qatar and turkey. One group supports the brotherhood the other supports the salafis.”

            Not at all. One supported the brotherhood, which has Salafists ideologies, while the other supported the coup by the army, which overthrew this ideology.

            The Middle East has been a mess, but blaming it on the West is a joke. Was it the West who told Assad and Saddam Hussein to build torture prisons and use it on those who ask to stop being oppressed (you can argue the West gave Saddam chemical weapons, but that’s on a different topic regarding bi country wars)? Was it the West who set up Bahrain’s Sunni monarchy in a shiite majority country? What about today’s Iran theocracy, where Sunnis aren’t even allowed to pray in certain areas, even in private. There are even reports from Iran from a Nobel peace prize leaurate that Sunnis die daily in protest. Iran’s previous government had equal rights for all and was democratic, but the Shah was overthrown in a military coup. By the West’s enemies. You tell mekenseh to stop being ignorant and sectarian, but you are doing the exact same thing in the opposite manner.

            “Stop blaming the world for your problems” …. Right

          • Hind Abyad

            Some very good points. Well said.

          • dateam

            Saudi Arabia, the largest kingdom in the Arabian peninsula, has fought its smaller but ambitious neighbor, Qatar, for years. The two “enemies” have engaged in a power struggle that has affected countries in the region from Mali to Syria. Their newest battleground: Egypt.

            Musical Chairs In Egypt

            Until the ouster of Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi, Qatar had been the financial firepower behind the Egyptian regime and the country’s banks. According to estimates by the Financial Times, Doha has invested about 8 billion dollars in the country.

            The situation changed on July 3. As the Egyptian army took over power, the Salafist al-Nour party switched its support from Morsi to the army. Saudi Arabia, a long-time supporter of the Salafists, offered Cairo $5 billion in aid, plus another bonus of $3 billion from the United Arab Emirates (UAE), and $4 billion from the State of Kuwait.

            Although al-Nour eventually withdrew its support for the new, army-backed government over its violent repression of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Saudi Kingdom did not give up its support for Egypt’s military rulers.

            The Syrian Chess Match

            Qatar and Saudi Arabia are both aligned with the opposition against Syria’s embattled President Bashar al-Assad, but both countries appear to be engaged in a war within the war.

            As the presence and activity of numerous extremist factions has divided Syria’s rebels in recent months, Saudi Arabia and Qatar each chose to support different factions. Saudi Arabia on the one hand took over the control of supplies to the rebels coming from third countries, since international powers became increasingly reluctant to send weapons to Syria for fear they might fall into extremist hands. Qatar, on the other hand, appeared less inhibited by the extremist nature of some rebel groups, and provided arms even to those factions.

            The two rivals are playing on the Syrian political chessboard politically. Qatari-backedGhassan Hitto resigned as prime minister of the Syrian National Coalition (SNC) when Saudi-supported Ahmad Assi Jarba was elected to lead the opposition body.

            Qatar Played Under The Table In Mali and Libya

            After having supplied eight fighter aircrafts to Libyan rebels in their fight against Gaddafi, Qatar turned its attention towards Mali. According to the French newspaper Le Canard Enchaîné and Marianne, Qatar is believed to have financed al-Qaeda affiliated groups that tried to occupy the country. Roland Marchal, researcher at the Centre for Studies and International Research, believes that “some elements of Qatari Special Forces are now in northern Mali to ensure the training of recruits who occupy the country.

            Stability Vs. Ambition

            The Arab Revolts shed light on some core divergences between Saudi Arabia and Qatar as oil providers.

            Protected by the United States ever since the first oil wells were discovered on its territory in 1938, Saudi Arabia came to dominate the region economically. However, Qatar has challenged the Saudi dominance since winning its independence from the UK in 1971.

            “Clearly, Qatar is a country in search of a regional role, and the Arab Spring has presented the perfect opportunity to catapult it into a more prominent position,” writes Bernard Haykel, Middle East specialist at Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). According to the researcher’s report, the two neighbors have a similar strategy: to use their financial power to control the region, and, therefore, to ensure their internal security.

            Qatar’s Unconditional Support

            Although both Qatar and Saudi Arabia have an Islamic regime based on the strict Wahhabi interpretation of Islam, only Doha has voiced its unconditional support for the Muslim Brothers.

            Yevgeny Satanovsky, president of the Russian Middle East Institute explains that “not only in Egypt, but in all countries of the Arab Spring, Qatar has supported and will always support the Muslim Brotherhood and their actions, such as Ennahdha’s in Tunisia or Hamas’ in Gaza.”

            The Salafists on the other hand, are “Saudi Arabia’s creation,” added the specialist. Although less visible compared to the Muslim Brotherhood, the Salafists are a political force to be reckoned with. In Egypt, the al-Nour party claims to have 800,000 members, similar to the Brotherhood.

            If the Salafists are supported by Saudi Arabia, it is more due to their strict social views than to their religious obedience. “Salafists consider the Muslim Brotherhood to be weak Islamists who make too many compromises,” explained Khalil al-Anani, scholar in Middle East Politics at Durham University.

            Obsessed with its internal stability and the continuity of its Royal family, Saudi Arabia prefers to provide support to authoritarian regimes — whether civil or religious — and to oppose revolutionary movements. Some Saudi Sheikhs even went as far as to issuea “fatwa” saying that Islam prohibits public demonstrations.

            Small But Mighty

            Saudi Arabia has a hard time accepting the expansion of its smaller neighbor, and Qatar has made progress on all fronts in its fight against the Saudi dominance. “Their influential character comes from their unpredictable nature,” a Western diplomat told the New York Times.

            HUFFINGTON POST
            I should also add that Turkey supports the muslim brotherhood.
            Im not blaming it on the west im simply stating whats happened.
            Im neither saying anyone is an angel over the other.
            The entire middle east has the same issues.

          • MekensehParty

            No one is denying any of this. Those bastards have been killing American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan for years and who helped them in? The cia? No it was iran that sent them to Afghanistan and Syria who opened the border for them to walk in Iraq. That’s what also the huffington post said a million time.

          • Hind Abyad

            You’re not a liar you’re demented, Syria opened the doors to nobody, Jihads from 80 different countries entered Syria Sovereign country illegally from Turkey NATO’s borders..to kill Christians.

          • MaImequer0

            third conspiracy so far today??? That’s funny sweetie…☻Paranoid much?

          • Hind Abyad

            Paranoid much??? What news Israel..err..you want us to read???

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            thats bcos the ME belongs to iran… come on the ME had it bright times ONLY when being under iranian rule it… certainly not american thats for sure 7abibi now go back to ur ghetto wallah billiah 7abibi

          • The real lebanese

            I agree with almost everything you’ve said. Saudi Arabia is ditching the funding of Salafists groups, probably due to pressure from the US. Qatar has taken over their role. Salafists militias are often much more motivated (ie Syria) and this is why Saudi Arabia has been losing much influence to Qatar.

            Keep in mind the brotherhood was also supported by many Salafists during the ouster of Morsi in Egypt. Don’t know much about the Nour party but I’ll probably check them out tomorrow. But prominent Salafist sheikhs were calling for violence and protests on the streets, if that means anything at all.

          • Hind Abyad

            The West gave Saddam WMD in US-Saudi sponsored invasion of Iran.

          • MekensehParty

            So all that rambling starts from a false assumption that I’m a sunni.
            Try again

          • Hind Abyad

            LOL, good one.

          • Hind Abyad

            Now Malmequer is a dead chicken using my Name talking to MekensehParty.
            Zionists are such likeable people.

          • TheUSequalsTheIS

            u know how i can tell that u r not a lebo? bcos u have a computer. all the lebos i know in the west r stingy ppl living off handouts..

        • wargame1

          You know better on how to suck a Majoosi Kok. You marinated Christians should stay away from politics. Its dangerous for you because you are minority. The Iranian invading Pigs took you to a joy ride but its coming to an end

      • nagy_michael2

        At least they don’t go around and behead people in the name of Allah. shame on you for even going that route.. all you people is place blame on others. What would these ISIS monkies bring to ISlam or humanity? nothing zilch.. i have not seen muslims protesting in all honestly their actions and all they do is talk. But once one Quran get burned there is not a single muslims stays home and they go out and burn and destroy. even by name the christians are still much more descent than the people you are covering up for..

        • MekensehParty

          Where did you have the feeling that I was covering up for anybody?
          If anything I’m holding all the constituents of this failed society responsible. Never said equally responsible, but responsible in part.

          • nagy_michael2

            not all christians all are all alike but majority at least do not go around and pray to allah and go butcher people. or marry more than one wife or stay silent on the misery of others. What I am saying is that there are more pressing issues than Christians who don’t practice their religion or other denominations. there are butchers who claim to be muslims killing people in the name of Allah. there is bashar the murderous thug who kills his own people.. there are hezbollah and iran and North korea and russian regimes who are going around terrorizing nations. since when did the muslims rise in Iraq or egypt and Nigeria and many areas where christians being killed and not one muslim came to defend them. What did the Muslims of syria do to help Lebanese when their bashar was killing us and still does whether directly by him or Hezbollah.. your arguments is very silly considering the dangerous events going on around us and everywhere for that matter..

          • MekensehParty

            I don’t see where my argument differs from yours besides the fact that you want to absolve the Christians of their responsibility of what is happening to them.

      • dateam

        WTF? Where do you come up with this? Honestly.

        • 5thDrawer

          Most of us relate to personal ‘life-experiences’ Dateam. And no two people have the exact same … partly because all minds work differently with the emotions. Even twins don’t quite agree on everything.
          It’s hard to find a true ‘common-ground’ for complete understanding .. although two could also be right in their basic thinking toward humanity in general. The ‘approach’ to the overall problem is different – as is, more often, the conclusion.
          The debate is good … but must be tempered with a few rules … and it’s only by listening that we can appreciate another soul’s experiences.
          But some arguments are only about semantics – when the goal is the same.
          Say ‘Peace’ first … then discuss semantics knowing peace is first.

          • MekensehParty

            I have to disagree on that “It’s hard to find a true ‘common-ground’ for complete understanding ”
            There is a common ground to everything which is Logic.
            Logic frees you from uncertainty and false beliefs.
            It will tell you keep polluting the beautiful nature that you were given and you will die of the effects of that pollution.
            It will tell you a man or woman imprisoned in your house to serve you without basic rights and paid in peanuts is called a slave and you accepting this makes you a slaver, no rosy words can change what logic says clearly.
            It will tell you that after 70 years of “independence” you were not able to create a country and live together in peace with your neighbor is called a failed nation.
            Logic will tell you that as long as you refuse to wait your turn in line or stop at a red light you’ll never be civilized…
            And that’s why the word “logic” in itself is not recognized in a place like Lebanon, because it goes against all that Lebanese truly are.

          • Hannibal
          • 5thDrawer

            ….. for me, Argentina.

          • Hannibal

            I know you have a weakness for Tripoli… 😉

          • 5thDrawer

            Yah … well … at least, some of the women there. :-))

          • 5thDrawer

            In that sense, yes. ‘Passions’ override the logic it seems … all the time.
            Even for understanding electricity. Some still believe it has a ‘god’ content. 😉

        • MekensehParty

          I’m going to ask a simple question: Do the lebanese want peace?

          • Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Your asking the wrong people, go ask your beloved congress, or their pals in Tehran, Saudi Arabia. Don’t ask the Lebanese they just want to have fun.

          • MekensehParty

            you have just recognized that the Lebanese gave their fate to all these capitals. You have just said that they are human beings who do not hold their fate in their own hands but count on the “daddies” to manage their lives while they’re popping champagne in crystal.
            is that your final answer or was there a misunderstanding?

  • MekensehParty

    A push on Baghdad is all they can do.
    If they can fortify in the Sunni neighborhoods among sympathizing civilians they know they will not be dislodged for less than a leveling of these neighborhoods bashar style, which will not be allowed.
    The key is not only for the Sunnis to stop their support for IS, such effort must come in parallel with the Shia stopping their support for Iranian backed militias terrorizing these same sunni neighborhoods.
    If those 2 things do not happen simultaneously nothing will save Iraq since the peoples of Iraq do not want or wish to save the country and themselves.

    • Hannibal

      nataqa el 7imaarou fa shahnaqa…

    • 5thDrawer

      Would be Faintly reminiscent of Tripoli … 2 ‘sects’ hunkered down for years, while others around them attempt to have a life … which never comes.

    • 5thDrawer

      Each ‘town headman’ is a sect unto himself … as is the town.

  • Fauzia45

    This is terrifying !!These Invaders understand one language ,violence ,terror and brutality !These invaders are fanatics who believe deeply in their holy cause and this is what unites them and makes them brutal fighters! The people of the region are suffering and paying the price of the mistakes their politicians committed!The people of this region are paying the price because of the never ending struggle for power in this region!They are also paying the price because of the dictators hat have reigned and clung to power and robbed their people s rights and dignity and freedom!!!!Alas this is the sad truth!!!

    • 5thDrawer

      Tribalism spreads the Ebola too.

  • vs

    The Iraqi air force mistakenly “gave” militants of “Islamic state” food and ammunition http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/30/iraqi-pilots-dropped-food-water-and-ammunition-on-/

  • zabada

    my opinion..ISIS can,t be defeated forever..it is because America is not going defeat ISIS,America try to weaken them only in order to destroy Arab by Arab,promote sectarian.wars and killing on behalf of their wealthy master.Zionist Jews.All sunni,who are ,80 % of all muslims. will support ISIS or will not oppose them.By this two main cause ISIS can,t be defeated forever.Other wise the world will turn on America and destroy it along with Israel.. The world acknowledge how America condone too many atrocities on behalf of their master,Zionist Jews.China and Russia will lead many of nations and destroy this two bad wolf,Israel and America and their ally.you will see this event in future.Ask American great scholars for may claim.

    • 5thDrawer

      You forgot Turkey.

  • Shirdel2142

    If baghdad falls then the game has changed.

    • Guest

      If Mosul fell, so can Baghdad.

  • zabada

    how can well civilized people in America being slaves to Zionist Jews ?.