Iran-Ransom-Gate: Republicans slam Obama after explanation of $400 million payment

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barack_obama under fire over iran ransomThe Obama administration is facing a storm of Republican criticism after acknowledging that a $400 million cash payment to Iran seven months ago was contingent on the release of a group of American prisoners.

Thursday’s explanation was the first time the U.S. had so clearly linked the two events, which critics have painted as a hostage-ransom arrangement.

RRepeating past administration statements, State Department spokesman John Kirby said the negotiations to return the Iranian money from a 1970s account to buy U.S. military equipment were conducted separately from talks to free four U.S. citizens in Iran. But unlike with past descriptions, he said the U.S. withheld the delivery of the cash as leverage until Iran permitted the Americans to leave the country.

“We had concerns that Iran may renege on the prisoner release,” Kirby said, citing delays and mutual mistrust between countries that severed diplomatic relations 36 years ago. As a result, he explained, the U.S. “of course sought to retain maximum leverage until after the American citizens were released. That was our top priority.”

Kirby said “it would have been foolish, imprudent, irresponsible” for the administration to have acted otherwise.

iran ransom gateBoth events occurred Jan. 17, fueling suspicions from Republican lawmakers and accusations from GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump of a quid pro quo that undermined America’s longstanding opposition to ransom payments. Several members of Congress immediately pounced on Thursday’s shift.

“If it quacks like a duck, it’s a duck. If a cash payment is contingent on a hostage release, it’s a ransom. The truth matters and the president owes the American people an explanation,” Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., said.

“Decisions like these are putting our nation and our allies at risk,” added Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., the Senate Intelligence Committee chairman.

In a speech Thursday night in Charlotte, North Carolina, Trump accused President Barack Obama of lying. “He denied it was for the hostages, but it was. He said we don’t pay ransom, but he did. He lied about the hostages, openly and blatantly,” Trump said.

Kirby spoke a day after The Wall Street Journal reported new details of the crisscrossing planes on that day. U.S. officials wouldn’t let Iran bring the cash home from a Geneva airport until a Swiss Air Force plane carrying three of the freed Americans departed from Tehran, the paper reported. The fourth American left on a commercial flight.

Earlier this month, after the revelation the U.S. delivered the money in pallets of cash, the administration flatly denied any connection between the payment and the prisoners.

“Reports of link between prisoner release & payment to Iran are completely false,” Kirby tweeted at the time.

The money comes from an account used by the Iranian government to buy American military equipment in the days of the U.S.-backed shah. The equipment was never delivered after the shah’s government was overthrown in 1979 and revolutionaries took American hostages at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. The two sides have wrangled over that account and numerous other financial claims ever since.

Obama has said his negotiators secured the U.S. a good deal on a busy diplomatic weekend that also included finalizing the seven-nation nuclear accord. But he and other officials have consistently denied any linkages.

“We actually had diplomatic negotiations and conversations with Iran for the first time in several decades,” Obama said Aug. 5, meaning “our ability to clear accounts on a number of different issues at the same time converged.”

“This wasn’t some nefarious deal,” he said.

The agreement was the return of the $400 million, plus an additional $1.3 billion in interest, terms that Obama described as favorable compared to what might have been expected from a tribunal set up in The Hague to rule on pending deals between the two countries. U.S. officials have said they expected an imminent ruling on the claim and settled with Tehran instead.

Some Iranian officials immediately linked the payment to the release of four Americans, including Washington Post reporter Jason Rezaian, who had been held in Iranian prisons.

Another of the prisoners, pastor Saeed Abedini, also had linked the two events. He said that as the prisoners waited for hours at an airport to leave Iran, a senior Iranian intelligence official informed them their departure depended on the plane with the cash. U.S. officials had pinned the delays on difficulties finding Rezaian’s wife and mother, and ensuring they could depart Iran with him.

“The administration clearly has a lot of explaining to do,” Rep. Jeb Hensarling, the House Financial Services Committee chairman, said. Congress, he added, must “fully investigate this outrageous action.”

Washington Post/Associated Press

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138 responses to “Iran-Ransom-Gate: Republicans slam Obama after explanation of $400 million payment”

  1. That’s the only thing Obama did right during his eight years as a puppet in the White House.

    1. MekensehParty Avatar
      MekensehParty

      Were you shooting your kalash in dahyeh’s sky when you wrote this?

      1. I don’t own guns or any weapon. Try harder habibti.

        1. MekensehParty Avatar
          MekensehParty

          ah, they don’t even trust you with a gun?
          that type of unstable resistant…

          1. What would I need a gun for?

          2. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            To liberate falastine

          3. Killing himself might be another (probably better) option.

          4. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Omega as a person died a long time ago, this is but his Mazzeh reinvented hologram that dwells endlessly on blogs…

          5. What’s a “Mazzeh”? I hope it’s something edible. 🙂

          6. Mazzeh is the place (prison in Syria) Mek never went to but acts like he did.

          7. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Mazzeh is a prestigious Syrian school of torture. A part of it was turned into dr. Maher’s lab from which the best students graduate after extensive brainwashing and personality erasing. These students are then sent to the blogosphere to repeat without any shame the “resistance axis” propaganda. Several of these graduates spend their days on yalibnan and other blogs repeating the updates that dr. Maher sends them weekly. Notice how they all use the same vocabulary, (bad) arguments and (fake) news over and over (wahabi, salafist Zionist cia Mossad and my favorite m16 – instead of MI6 – a dr. Maher glitch that they repeat just like they learned it…)

          8. What’s this drivel? Mazzeh is just a prison for the likes of you.

          9. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            You certainly wish you can send me to mazzeh

          10. Do you want to go?

          11. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Describing Israeli Zionist government Curriculum?

            Wonder if you read other than parroting, Mazzeh, dr. Maher in perpetuum
            If you’re “The” Mekenseh be here to veni vidi vici, you saw nothing..read
            “On American Zionist Education: An excerpt from ‘The Politics of Teaching
            Palestine to Americans’
            http://mondoweiss.net/2014/03/education-palestine-americans/

          12. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Here comes dr. Maher’s refrain… And another Iranian virused link (mondoweiss.net sounds like an extremely reliable source of lies)
            Shove it hind

          13. Why you only like 3-letter ‘murican news channels? (CNN, FOX, ABC, etc).

            What a donkey you are, wallah.

          14. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            That’s all you got bashar?

          15. Got what? I am not here to get or give. Quit taking everything so literally and take a deep breath.

          16. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            I need a deep breath indeed, laughing my ass up for hours now

          17. That’s the spirit! I am sure it will help your blood pressure.

          18. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Shove it and kiss Maher ..who’s that ? I’m reading this since 3 years now..DinozaurusParty

          19. “I’m reading this since 3 years now, ”

            Hahaha!!! No kidding.

            Comme une vielle cassette, la même chanson de merde, ad nauseam.

          20. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Mondoweiss is is Iranian. Weiss and Horowitz are Iranian.Tabarnak!

          21. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Shoveyit antisémite, Philip Weiss and Adam Horowitz know more
            about Jewishness and Judaism than you, they have the right to
            speak.
            Zionists smearing detractors say Weiss argued that the “Jewish presence in the Establishment ” imposes its own single-minded, communalistic interests upon the whole of American and British society.” So?
            Albert Einstein was a Jew. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a11d4afe51e12c84866521e297beaae1f99929168014bb8c9c6face300860a2f.jpg had the right.

          22. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Pills hind, pills
            Try to stay on subject

          23. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Stop the stupid dialogue you make no sense.

          24. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Use your brain, “imposes its own single-minded, communalistic interests
            upon the whole of American and British society.”. After 68 years

          25. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Which both, unfortunately and adversely then, impose their ‘interests’ on the modern Secular Canadian Government and a society attempting to be homogenous while providing equality under law to ALL it’s citizens, along with a viable Health-care Plan providing the same. (you want more than very good, work to pay for it)
            Fairly simple concept, even if ‘all’ means all, and a choice of a God is an individual feely-alllowed choice to make … even if it’s a myriad bunch of Gods to choose from.

          26. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Yes there were, the Jewish Bible Christians Moslem call Ancient Testament, is full of plagiarism from antiquity religions- Egyptian scholar.
            https://ashraf62.wordpress.com/2012/08/19/hebrew-bible-plagiarized-mythology-and-defaced-monotheism/

          27. Rudy1947 Avatar

            If someone would ask you for directions to the local supermarket, you would undoubtedly take that moment to say how Zionists built that supermarket to far away. You should seriously consider Mekenseh’s prescription.

          28. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            *too* far (since everyone seems to into languages so heavily lately) … :-)))))

          29. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            ..to into Languages ?;-) happy not to his ugly blocked face

          30. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Ok ok .. a typo … :-))))

          31. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Shove it MekhMazzeh.

          32. He only likes 3-letter news channels from America: CNN, ABC, FOX, etc. Anything outside those is a lie. Le gros con.

          33. Have we met before? I doubt but who knows.

          34. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            I see you every morning after my coffee, in a very private place…

          35. Zzz …

          36. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Not the first resistant to give up against the Mekenseh…
            Get dr. Maher’s update and come back tomorrow with his new set of ridiculous conspiracy theories and the Mekenseh will be here to veni vidi vici all your asses.

          37. Not quite. I just don’t see the point of entertaining such a low comment.

            All I know about Dr. Maher is that you keep on repeating his name.

            They are conspiracies – Venetian conspiracies.

          38. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            That was a fast nap, not much of an update huh?
            I guess the fartsistance axis is finding less and less to say lately, mou heik bashar?

          39. Ad nauseam, boring, comments. Zzz …

          40. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            You sure need a sleeping Doctor. That’s brainwashing’ side effects right there.
            Mou heik bashar?

          41. “Mou heik bashar?”

            I am giggling here. Oh hehehehe.

            Que t’es con.

          42. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Wow, 3alamouk faransi be mazzeh kamAn?

          43. Akid habibti. Khalina nshouf 2idech 2inte bta3erfe faransi.

            Continuons en Français …

          44. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Tu preferes les savons francais?

          45. Préférés et non pas prefere.

            français et non pas francais.

            Non, pourquoi?

          46. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Tu Préférés???
            As I said, Mahdi school for the banine, niveau 7eme
            Secondary school bel Karage…

          47. Not sure what happened, I did type it right.

            7ième du con et arrêtes d’insulter les pauvres garçons qui doivent quitter l’école pour aller travailler avec leur père . N’as tu aucune bonté en toi?

          48. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Ah you insist
            Go check la conjugaison du verbe preferer, and while you’re at it, look up passer un savon
            Because: apres un savon en anglais, je viens de t’en passer un autre en francais.

          49. Dégonfles ton ego. J’en connais la conjugaison. Je ne sais pas ce qu’il s’est passé, cars je l’avais bel et bien écrit.

            Je connais également le sens du terme “passer un savon” – j’aurais dû écrire ce que j’ai finalement effacer: “Non pourquoi, t’aimes les savons Congolais?”.

          50. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            ” je ne sais pas ce qu’IL s’est passe”???
            Another typo or another acknowledgment that you suck at french?
            Go edit one more time, and send your french teacher to saydnaya

          51. The moron sincerely believes that he holds the Holy Grail of Francophonie in his scrofulous hands. 🙂

          52. Said the a-hole who lied about speaking French but used Google translate. And if you do, then let’s go.

            I made trivial typos, big deal. It was late, I was working on engineering blueprints at the same time.

          53. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            ( 5th hopes it wasn’t the revised blueprints for a ‘modern’ bridge at Thunder Bay …) :-)))

          54. Why does 5th hopes so? Because I might not deliver or because Thunder Bay’s bridge is one of those “just because you can do it that you should” type of project? 🙂

            Friends in Montreal told me they’re building one there as well.

          55. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Because one typo seems to be all it needs to have a bridge crack before it’s even finished.
            Especially with the ‘Uber-educated’ trying to explain plans to we who are not. … :-)))))
            Happy I’m not in Montreal then …. the last Mafia-Cement ones at least did a few years before falling down there. ( Poor Hind … avoid bridges please.)

          56. Ah, yes, that is very true. Good one. No worries, when it comes to my work, I excel. The French typos are exponentially increased with an English keyboard. Combine that with late hours and multi-tasking. Luckily, I had finished my work hours before and was just revising it. No “bridge” will fall.

            Montreal – it was more than just cement mafia. Friends told me it was the entire construction industry with close ties to the government officials.

          57. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            AND THAT allows me to punt in the lack of ‘Real Quality’ now in a whole country which invented the mafia concept …. and now needs ‘right-thinking’ citizens to protect it’s judges – since all the ‘institutions’ have been infected thoroughly. ( a longer than some documentary)
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsdkZExBdkQ

          58. The timing was perfect, I needed to change amy mind from revising work blueprint (not French typos). Excellent documentary, thank you for sharing. So much to say and related to that I wouldn’t know where to start and/or end. Italian families shields come to mind.

          59. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I hate the suburbs..Montreal is an Island.

          60. Rudy1947 Avatar

            Haim Dotan Architects designed the bridge.

          61. Did you climax?

          62. Rudy1947 Avatar

            Nope, I’m surprise you would even mentioned it.

          63. Why surprised? I posted the article because it was about a bridge (in relation to the discussion I had with 5th), not because it was designed by an Israeli firm. It could have been Lebanese, I would not have mentioned it either.

          64. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Do they work for the ‘Builders’ … which seems to be a … Mining Company??
            https://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=aaplw&p=CNW+Group/HATCH

          65. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Oh .. explains it … same as Lebanon … no consideration for folks in wheelchairs.

          66. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Some day they will put enough people on it …. hehehe … although I didn’t see the ‘wheel-chair’ access ramp …. 😉

          67. although I didn’t see the ‘wheel-chair’ access ramp

            We keep hearing how human rights are absent there – might have to do with it.

          68. Just for the record, retard: I would never lie to you. Not as a matter of principle, but because it’s ridiculous for a civilized person to lie to a vastly inferior being. I wouldn’t lie to a cockroach either. 🙂

          69. Zio-Nazism kicking in …

            1. says he does not lie but was caught lying
            2. considers others “inferior”

            p.s. if you indeed speak French, let’s go.

          70. I consider you – and your kind – deeply inferior, mate. I’ve never made any secret of that or attempted to hide behind politically correct subterfuge. Like I said: cockroaches deserve nothing but complete and utter honesty. And occasionally, a little Raid. 🙂

          71. There was a Doctor, German I think, by the name of Alfred Adler who said a superiority complex comes from feeling inferior (leading to things like racism, sexism, etc). Do you recognize yourself? Before you reply negatively, read your comments.

          72. Don’t bullshit me with Adler, pal. Wasn’t it Adler’s one-time friend and nemesis, Freud, who developed the notion of “projection”? 🙂
            And why are you approvingly citing this AskeNazi Khazar anyway?

          73. You’re the one who stated that you were superior, not me. Thus, how did/am I projecting?

          74. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Just out of the Talmud.. ftakaret ma rah tehke mahoun.. going out.

          75. Haha, tayeb, tayeb.

          76. Correct, that is a mistake. It was late.

          77. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            “Cars” je l’avais???

          78. “Cars” was auto-corrected, my keyboard is English.

            That’s wrong with “je l’avais”? That, I don’t get. Do tell.

          79. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Je lavais, participe passé?

          80. Non, pas le verbe laver. Dans mon cas, c’était le verbe “écrire”.

            Je l’avais (bel et bien) écrit -> je l’avais écrit.

            Un autre example: comme je vous l’avais écrit.

          81. “Je lavais”, c’est le verbe laver à l’imparfait.

            Dans mon cas, je l’avais bel et bien écrit c’est le verbe écrire au plus-que-parfait.

            Je l’avais (bel et bien) écrit -> je l’avais écrit.

            Un autre example: comme je vous l’avais écrit.

          82. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Mon ordi est très lent “Je l’avais”.. excuse moi

          83. Ah, je me disais. Pas de problème.

          84. Je t’en prie, ce n’est rien.

          85. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            “J’en connais la conjugaison”??
            Hahaha
            “T’aimes”?
            “J’ai effaceR”???
            Do I keep going or will you please tell us where you learned French so that I don’t send my kids there (of course it’s a joke, my kids will never walk the garbage streets you walked and keep walking on)

          86. What’s wrong with “J’en connais la conjugaison? – it’s short for “je connais la conjugaison de … ” with “en” referring to the subject.

            What’s wrong with “t’aimes”? – it’s short for “tu aimes” or “aimes-tu”. Similar in english with: you will vs you’ll.

            Effacer is indeed a typo: it should be effacé.

          87. And by the way, the correct way to use “passer un savon” in French is to say/write “passer un savon. You can’t use the word “savon” in a sentence and pretend/assume you used the term “passer un savon”.

          88. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            “J’en connais la conjugation” est un raccourçi pour “je connais la conjugaison”.

            “T’aimes” est un raccourçi pour “Tu aimes”

            Where did you see “J’ai effaceR”?

          89. Le con fait sa pute, mais n’a pas l’air d’être au courant des raccourcis communs qu’on utilise en français.

            Quand à “j’ai effacer”, je l’avais effectivement écrit avec la lettre “r” au lieu d’un “é”. C’était ma faute, j’ai admis, il était tard, ça arrive et j’ai corrigé depuis.

          90. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Keep going your hate makes you like like an old witch.

          91. T’as pigé ou non?

          92. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Préférer

          93. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            “le verbe préférer”
            “en français”

          94. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Ah you edited it after checking the conjugation
            Hahahaha what a looser hahaha

          95. Yes, I did edit after you told me it was misspelled (I had not realized) but no, I did not check the conjugaison. I’ll repeat: not sure what happened.

            Glad it made you laugh though. High5.

          96. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Meka, havanatherbeer

          97. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Tu prefère les savons Français.. retourne au Secondaire

          98. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Another one who failed mazzeh’s french class
            Francais takes a capital letter when talking about the people of France only
            Any other use and it’s a lower cap
            Failed!!!!

          99. True but what about your 20+ typos (accents related)?

          100. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Cela est adressé à moi? Were you drunk yesterday?
            La première chose qui m’a choqué c’était que vous écriviez
            maher avec M majuscule et francais avec f minuscule.

            “Omega- MekensehParty • 18 hours ago
            Akid habibti. Khalina nshouf 2idech 2inte bta3erfe faransi.
            Continuons en Français …(0 fautes)
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            MekensehParty- Omega • 18 hours ago
            Tu preferes les savons francais?… (deux fautes)
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            Hind Abyad MekensehParty • 16 hours ago
            Tu prefère les savons Français.. retourne au Secondaire mou heik?
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            MekensehParty- Hind Abyad • 9 hours ago
            Another one who failed mazzeh’s french class
            Francais takes a capital letter when talking about the people of France only
            Any other use and it’s a lower cap
            Failed!!!!” (encore pas de C cedille).. but lot of arrogance.;-)

          101. He used the word “savon” in a sentence and he thinks it qualified as “passer un savon”. Le con.

          102. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Savon de Marseille is the best.

          103. J’ne savais pas. C’est fait de quoi?

          104. 5thDrawer Avatar
            5thDrawer

            Tripoli Soap Factory & store … smelled good to me. 😉

          105. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Check the lesson I gave to hind on where to use F for francais

          106. Hardly a lesson. You don’t seem aware of “liaisons” made in the French language. I dont’ see you use any accents when you write and you do make typos as well. Your latest one being “Putting” instead of Putin. Quit tapping your own shoulder and if you really want to show me your French skills, let’s only talk French from now one with accents; deal?

          107. Alors?

          108. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Y-King of repeat: Moron moronic pal mate sista peace of garbage Nazi Arab
            dumbyad retard.. :-)) the smirk

          109. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Intellectuals discussing on YaLibnan, the old and the new.

            Daily Beast Editor, Michael Weiss Helped Send Iranian-American to Torture Chambers of Evin Prison.

            The blog he most admires is Harry’s Place, (Y K’s Place), a notorious haven for refugees from various leftist movements who’ve “seen the light” and turned to the right. Among their chief occupations is bashing figures on the left, especially those who criticize Israel or endorse Palestinian rights.’

          110. Weiss is one of the filthiest …

            Michael Weiss, the Neocon’s Neocon

            http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/michael-weiss-neocons-neocon/ri16038

            The lefties who “saw the light” and turned right are the worst kind of righties. MekensehParty comes to my mind right away as he’s a prime example of that. He allegeable was against Syria in Lebanon (thus a lefty) but now he advocates the complete annihilation of the Middle East and blindly supports the USA’s warmongering foreign policy and psychopaths like Kissinger.

          111. Quit being an idiot.

          112. He probably couldn’t pass even the most perfunctory mental health check, so no (legal) guns for him.

          113. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            His grade was: Failed for the lack of having a brain

          114. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            Haha..did you move to “Harry’s Place”? The odd couple superior race.

      2. A good analysis of the situation with Iran and current events.
        Check it out.
        Iran: The One Percent Make A Difference
        https://www.strategypage.com/qnd/iran/articles/20160821.aspx

  2. Hind Abyad Avatar
    Hind Abyad

    400 million’s nothing compared to Federal Reserve incapable of explaining were did the Trillions of dollars go, laughable.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QK4bblyfsc

      1. 5thDrawer Avatar
        5thDrawer

        After which, make popcorn, and watch a full-length movie called ‘Meltdown’. Be informed.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYTyluv4Gws

    1. 5thDrawer Avatar
      5thDrawer

      “The Oxford dictionary defines bailout as ‘financial assistance to a failing business or economy to save it from collapse,” the Canadian Bankers Association noted.
      “That definitely was not the case here: not one bank in Canada was in danger of going bankrupt or required the government to buy an equity stake under taxpayer-funded bailouts.”

      (And now the ‘market’ makes the Canuk Buck 3/4 of it’s value because they didn’t wring out the Government like USA did?) (Government = Citizen$) (Still say Gov’t should have just bought all the mortgages and forgiven them – less expensive.)

      1. cricket. cricket.

        (Rudy1947 is no where to be seen.)

      2. Rudy1947 Avatar

        It appears that David Macdonald’s definition was accepted.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar
          5thDrawer

          Anyone trying to get banking in Canada deregulated (fortunately it is, and it’s a different system than USA) will attempt to fudge it around of course, in the ‘applesVSwalnuts’ world.
          Some don’t even like the Universal Health Plan any more. Inexplicable, really. 😉
          Let’s allow all the minions to gather final charts&graphs – maybe another 10 years? :-))
          Then us ‘littles’ may hear a clear explanation. (doubtful they could understand what the charts and graphs actually represent to their lives …)

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