Putin warns of ‘serious consequences’ after Turkey downed a Russian plane and pilots shot as they fell

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russsian plane shot down by turkeyTurkey shot down a Russian warplane near the Syrian border on Tuesday, saying it had repeatedly violated its air space, one of the most serious publicly acknowledged clashes between a NATO member country and Russia for half a century.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said the plane had been attacked when it was 1 km (0.62 mile) inside Syria and warned of “serious consequences” for what he termed a stab in the back administered by “the accomplices of terrorists”.

“We will never tolerate such crimes like the one committed today,” Putin said, as Russian and Turkish shares fell on fears of an escalation between the former Cold War enemies.

Each country summoned a diplomatic representative of the other and NATO called a meeting of its ambassadors for Tuesday afternoon. Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov canceled a visit to Turkey due on Wednesday and the defense ministry said it was preparing measures to respond to such incidents.

Footage from private Turkish broadcaster Haberturk TV showed the warplane going down in flames, a long plume of smoke trailing behind it as it crashed in a wooded part of an area the TV said was known by Turks as “Turkmen Mountain”.

Separate footage from Turkey’s Anadolu Agency showed two pilots parachuting out of the jet before it crashed. A deputy commander of rebel Turkmen forces in Syria said his men shot both pilots dead as they came down.

A video sent to Reuters earlier appeared to show one of the pilots immobile and badly wounded on the ground and an official from the group said he was dead.

Russia’s defense ministry said one of its Su-24 fighter jets had been downed in Syria and that, according to preliminary information, the pilots were able to eject.

“For the entire duration of the flight, the aircraft was exclusively over Syrian territory,” it said.

The Turkish military said the aircraft had been warned 10 times in the space of five minutes about violating Turkish air space. Officials said a second plane had also approached the border and been warned.

“The data we have is very clear. There were two planes approaching our border, we warned them as they were getting too close,” a senior Turkish official told Reuters.

“We warned them to avoid entering Turkish air space before they did, and we warned them many times. Our findings show clearly that Turkish air space was violated multiple times. And they violated it knowingly,” the official said.

A second official said the incident was not an action against any specific country but a move to defend Turkey’s sovereign territory within its rules of engagement.

A U.S. military spokesman said it was an issue between the Turkish and Russian governments and that U.S.-led coalition operations in Syria and Iraq were continuing “as planned”.

RUSSIA TARGETS TOURISM

russian plane shot down by turkey, areaRussia’s decision to launch separate air strikes in Syria mean Russian and NATO planes have been flying combat missions in the same air space for the first time since World War Two, targeting various insurgent groups close to Turkish borders.

Russia’s military involvement in Syria has brought losses, including the downed jet and the bombing by militants of a Russian passenger jet over Egypt. But there is no sign yet that public opinion is turning against the operation in Syria.

Instead the Kremlin, helped by deferential state-controlled television, has used these reverses to rally public opinion, portraying the campaign as a moral crusade that Russia must complete, despite indifference or obstruction from elsewhere.

A U.S. official said U.S. forces were not involved in the downing of the Russian jet, which was the first time a Russian or Soviet military aircraft has been publicly acknowledged to have been shot down by a NATO member since the 1950s.

The incident appeared to scupper hopes of a rapprochement between Russia and the West in the wake of the Islamic State attacks in Paris, which led to calls for a united front against the radical jihadist group in Syria.

Russia’s main stock index fell more than two percent, while Turkish stocks fell 1.3 percent. Both the rouble and lira were weaker.

Lavrov advised Russians not to visit Turkey and one of Russia’s largest tour operators to the country said it would temporarily suspend sales of trips.

SHOT AS THEY FELL

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan was briefed by the head of the military, while Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu was due to report on the incident to NATO ambassadors. He also informed the United Nations and related countries.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights monitoring group said the warplane crashed in a mountainous area in the northern countryside of Latakia province, where there had been aerial bombardment earlier and where pro-government forces have been battling insurgents on the ground.

“A Russian pilot,” a voice is heard saying in the video sent to Reuters as men gather around the man on the ground. “God is great,” is also heard.

The rebel group that sent the video operates in the northwestern area of Syria, where groups including the Free Syrian Army are active but Islamic State, which has beheaded captives in the past, has no known presence.

A deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade told reporters on a trip organized by Turkish authorities that his forces had shot dead both pilots as they descended. U.S. and Turkish officials said they could not confirm the pilots’ status.

“Both of the pilots were retrieved dead. Our comrades opened fire into the air and they died in the air,” Alpaslan Celik said near the Syrian village of Yamadi, close to where the plane came down, holding what he said was a piece of a pilot’s parachute.

In a further sign of a growing fallout over Syria, Syrian rebel fighters who have received U.S. arms said they fired at a Russian helicopter, forcing it to land in territory held by Moscow’s Syrian government allies.

Turkey called this week for a U.N. Security Council meeting to discuss attacks on Turkmens, who are Syrians of Turkish descent, and last week Ankara summoned the Russian ambassador to protest against the bombing of their villages.

About 1,700 people have fled the mountainous area due to fighting in the last three days, a Turkish official said on Monday. Russian jets have bombed the area in support of ground operations by Syrian government forces.

Reuters

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216 responses to “Putin warns of ‘serious consequences’ after Turkey downed a Russian plane and pilots shot as they fell”

  1. johngilbert Avatar
    johngilbert

    “put in” was “put in” his place

    1. Anti ISIS Avatar

      Let’s wait and see who will be put in their place because of this fall out.

      1. You must be very excited about Russia using Iran. Russia will put up will fundamentalist Islamist if there is a profit in it, just like the US.
        It looks like Putin is humoring the religious nut-cases for strategic value, again just like the US.

        1. Yes, to some it’s ok if CERTAIN foreign powers bomb innocent civilians but not if OTHER foreign powers do the same thing.
          Reminds me of yarmouk and those that claim to support the Palestinians. It’s NOT ok if Israel kills ONE Palestinian but if Assad, and by proxy Iran, wiped out an entire camp, then it’s ok. In fact they won’t even mention yarmouk or when they do, they accuse Isis.
          Seems Isis came in handy for some..

        2. Hind Abyad Avatar

          And you of course are humouring the religious nut-case ISIS defender O-Rascal.

          1. Seems Isis came in handy for some.
            Yes, to some it’s ok if CERTAIN foreign powers bomb innocent civilians but not if OTHER foreign powers do the same thing.
            Reminds me of yarmouk and those that claim to support the Palestinians. It’s NOT ok if Israel kills ONE Palestinian but if Assad, and by proxy Iran, wiped out an entire camp, then it’s ok. In fact they won’t even mention yarmouk or when they do, they accuse Isis.
            Seems Isis came in handy for some..

          2. And even to rascal you are crying and trying to control what he does.
            Sweetie, supposedly you don’t like Rascal.
            You will stoop to anything just to cause drama for me. But sweetie, not everybody is gullible.
            Although you may have succeeded with rascal coz he did kinda defend you by calling me a whore when I called you a CHEAP whore.

      2. sweetvirgo Avatar

        I don’t know why some folks are happy about this?? I don’t like Putin but those pilots were shot in mid air or probably when they fell to the ground. And while everyone is talking how Putin deserves this…nobody is disgusted about the so called “rebels” shooting the pilots and not only recorded the pilot but are happy screaming “allah akbar”.

        1. Anti ISIS Avatar

          You are 100% correct Sweets. The focus is all about how is Put in going to react rather than those pilots who were murdered. And the ass holes who murdered them.

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Stock Markets are having a Field Day on this crap.

          2. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Ya noussak, didn’t hear you screaming murder when worse assholes were killing American soldiers. Back then you were screaming Allah wou Akbar.

          3. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Ohohohoho that’s your argument? Love it when you finally put your thoughts into words, proves by itself what pieces of shit you and yours are. Those dawaesh that you’re allegedly fighting right now are the same you smuggled to Iraq to kill Americans. Go deny this! Were we whining that they’re killing our soldiers in the most horrific ways? No we killed them, hunted them down and at one point we cleaned Iraq from them until you douches, via your buddy Maliki, reunited the Sunnis under their banner and they came after you, and Baghdad would have fallen without our intervention. And if we let them the caliphate would be inside Iran now… But there’s much better to do, we let you all pieces of shit, Sunni, Shia to kill each other’s for the decades to come.
            I’m eating popcorn and leaving the khara for your 3 meals a day. As for the shining American boots, you’re going to wish it would return on your necks, because for now it’s the Daesh mesheye that’s suffocating you, ask your cousins returning from zabadani, or the others who couldn’t clean the empty qalamoun mountains.
            Keep crying murder, they hit your capital (dahyeh) and the world didn’t shed a tear, wondering why? Coz terrorists are killing terrorists. Shit mixing with shit to create more stinky shit.

          4. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Pop, pop, pop….
            You think it’s my microwave doing these sounds?
            Nope, each pop is one of your cousins or barabies cousin being popped into oblivion
            Sahtein

          5. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Still no denial that your anti-Isis name is just for the fun of it
            In the mean time keep the insults coming, only proves that you have nothing else to say

          6. Will you reply to me?
            Can’t you see that I’m trying to get your attention
            ask your Yankee friends about Osamia Al Barabia from Mossul, best blowjob in the city.
            I sucked the whole second infantry and fifth armored brigades
            I miss your Yankee’s jizz so much
            Come to Mosul, bmossolak yeh bebalech
            And bring your broom it can come in handy

          7. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            We have one dead in Iraq already, he died saving a ton of Iraqis from an Isis jail.
            That’s the kind of heroes my country produce while your country produces terrorists like mughniye, badredin, Nasrallah and every shitstink south of Beirut

          8. My cousins in Mosul will cut your balls and feed them to the dogs, then they will rape you and throw you from the top of the mosque like they throw all the gays jizz lovers like you.

          9. Yeah let them come
            We’ll butcher them like we’re butchering you shites

          10. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Ps: of course no denial that you worked hand in hand with the dawaesh before they turn the table on your stupid asses
            Pop Hassan, pop Omar, pop Hussein, pop Mohammed, pop Ali, pop… pop… pop… All to the sewers of history.

          11. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Everyday Christians pronounce the name of Allah, it preceded Islam..

            Allah maak, Allah kbir, Inshallah, Yaa Allahh…!

          12. Because you shite are not murdering innocent people in Syria and Iraq. Sovereign country violated more than kess emmak

        2. Lol what were those pilots doing in the air? Acrobatics? Air show?
          Or killing innocent Syrian children and civilians?
          You always perform true to form.

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar

            One was killed by your proteges chanting Allahuakbar!!

          2. Pity both weren’t killed. And even more of a pity you weren’t in that COCKpit.

          3. “The Syrian government was quick to act: it arrested the group of 15 boys aged 10-15, interrogated and tortured them. ”

            https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2015/03/3765948/

            Sweetie, after you defended the torturers of these kids, you lost any right to bray.

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And you complain about what I write?

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Well, I admit that I have a preference, at least, that it be one of a female.
            I cannot say that I ever saw it’s connection to the brain being a great consideration – unless perhaps it wasn’t well maintained – although that point can be a LARGELY subjective matter too.

          6. that typical of the values she represents

          7. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Neither of those pictures represents anything ‘feminine’, Btru2u … and I doubt either of our bitchy ‘Ladies’ would be doing the deeds. I AM certain they would both commisserate and have empathy with the Mothers. The SIMPLE ‘bottom line’ is that Females simply suffer – perhaps more, perhaps less. And ONLY for the deeds of Males.

          8. Stop trying to defend daft mare!! It CLEARLY has defended those who committed those heinous crimes on those poor children. The youngest was TEN, yes TEN, years old.
            Defending them is equal to committing the crimes.
            Anyone defending those criminals is as guilty as Isis.

        3. And if you all love Russia and Putin so much, the hurry up and migrate to mother Russia.

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Why don’t you migrate to the caliphate?

        4. A small taste of their own medicine

          1. sweetvirgo Avatar

            So you and others say….however you don’t know what repercussions will be made by Putin.

          2. Right! So THAT was your point. Interesting, coz I thought you were upset that child killers were finally getting what they deserved. Ok sweetie, carry on.

          3. So you are saying we should cease, while they continue to fire.
            Flawed logic.

          4. sweetvirgo Avatar

            I’m glad to see you have plenty of “logic”.

          5. How are you glad to “see” , if you are blind?

          6. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Then what you see is but an illusion

          7. Sweetie, I already told you, even if you had the Hubble telescope for glasses, you would still be blind.
            And if what I see is an illusion, then that avatar of your must be of a daft mare. Coz to me it looks like a slut.

          8. Hind Abyad Avatar

            As usual the O ads nothing to the conversation…parroting same boring lieux communs

      3. These people are friggin idiots… sadda2o 7aalon.

      4. Hind Abyad Avatar

        Posted same $brilliant parable on TDS yesterday.

  2. We stand with turkey ,on this issue, the power of the umma is alive.

    1. tel7ass sa7ii7 malla hable… We? Who the hell is we? Bunch of terrorists pretending to follow a religion from hell? Now the world has awaken to your filth and both quick death and eternal fire awaits every islamist.

      1. I understand reality is upsetting you. Your arrogance will not help you in the end ….. better to surrender to Allah and be a muslim while you still can…..

        1. You dream because the truth and only way is through JESUS the true word of peace and forgiveness, not by way of the sword.

          1. Hind Abyad Avatar

            West’s Christians.

            “Obama: Turkey has the right to defend itself and its airspace”
            By Kevin Liptak, CNN White House Producer

            http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/politics/obama-francois-hollande-white-house-meeting/

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And one question fuddled his mind, and shot him down.

          3. Every country has a right to defend itself. What’s your problem with that?

          4. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Who’s attacking? NATO-Turkey protect your dear ISIS against Russia.
            ISIS defender saloppe.
            NATO destroyed Iraq you Capo turncoat

          5. When your beloved Russians enter Turkish airspace, that is called an ATTACK!
            Just like when your boyfriend, Assad, shot down the Turkish jet. You hypocritical deceptive dishonest cheap Isis whore.

          6. Hind Abyad Avatar

            They were on Syrian territory. NATO and you want the bearded Sharia Christian killers ISIS. YOU FF..Off

          7. Maybe you should tell that to the Christians who have killed more Muslims than Muslims have. And we won’t mention the 60 or so million killed by Christians in the last 100 years.

          8. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Where ARE those ‘Charts & Graphs’ ??

          9. There is Only One person left to kill… That is O he he

          10. And you are showering us with roses,

          11. No son my weeeee that’s your shower.

          12. Rest my case

          13. yes people are leaving Christianity in droves because you are showering them with roses and spreading the truth, whilst Islam is the fastest growing religion, because they spread violence and lies. Go figure

          14. Where are you getting numbers from son. In China alone 100 million are now Christians coming to Christ. In Africa almost 8 million Africans a year convert to Christ.
            Christians have 2 maybe 3 kids Muslims have an average of 10 go figure son. Millions of Christian who can not practice in the open in the ME who have to meet in secret like in Iran are not counted and so on. If I was having 3 wives with 10 kids eachof course my numbers are growing not because people are running to it. Lol

          15. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Charts & Graphs. Ledger-keepers love those, don’t they? ;-))

          16. Actually china is jumping on the hate bandwagon and is currently severely persecutin/killing muslims. Empty churches show Practising christians numbers are dwindling to non existsnce, and are preferring to embrace securalism and atheism.
            Even as the world is bombing and nassacring muslims daily , more people are waking up to the truth and reverting to Islam.
            In the end Islam will take over the world because thats Allah’s swt plan.
            Alhamdullilah for Islam.

          17. Jewish rabbis agree islam is the religion of the future ..

            http://youtu.be/CBcA2IaZyNg. Please watch

          18. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Come on Brutus .., We know Jewish Rabbis can debate themselves into ANYTHING … look how they started the whole thing. :-))) And all they do is Yack&Nod, Yack&Nod.
            And so, ok,ok … I can see the excitement in it … At Christmas the kids enjoyed ‘Action Jackson’ too … but they sort of outgrew it. These guys gotta be shilling for some Game Co. It’s THE TRUTH. Would we lie to you?? :-)))
            2000 YEARS of Yack&Nod, Yack&Nod. Whatta Ya Got?? BUPKISS! :-))))))

          19. I’m not going to watch an X factor you tube. Tell me what happens if a Muslim wants to leave Islam. ???
            You can go back and forth but I guess people always like the bad boy feeling holding power over another feels great.

          20. Yeh go figure ultra Jews are like ultra Islam. You guys are in bed together but u hate each other just like Sunni and Shiites do.

          21. You need to reevaluate where the hate is coming from

          22. master09 Avatar

            Your still blind with an answer like that. Everyone’s house is cleaner than the other.
            We all have done bad things in history, Christians, Muslims HUMANS at least I can see that my house gets dirty as well and don’t put a rug over the dust at any cost.

          23. show me when you have blamed Christianity for anything. Lying POS

          24. Watch “The Holy Quran Experiment” on YouTube – The Holy Quran Experiment: http://youtu.be/zEnWw_lH4tQ

        2. I surrendered to Allah AS A CHRISTIAN you heathen saracen…

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            In your case, Hannibal, even if you convert they will still want more Jizzy-Tax. :-)))

          2. You are obsessed with jizz. I bet you like it on your face and down your throat!

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Hey, I didn’t invent the word …

          4. I didn’t say you did, I said you are obsessed with jizz all over your face and down your throat..

          5. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Hmmm .. would that be you ‘giving back’? 😉

          6. That is quite suggestive, but if that is how you like it.

          7. lol behave

          8. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I DO try … really …

          9. A true christian is a muslim.
            You bacon eating, mushrik kaafir

          10. 5thDrawer Avatar

            So we don’t agree with Deuteronomy about the cleanest animal … like to see women’s flowing hair … but agree dirty shoes should be left at the door and might provide slippers on cold stone floors … and like Mohammad, agree with Jesus that God is the One to worship. And if Jesus was already on his knees, and fell on his face from lack of water, it’s certainly understandable.

          11. I didn’t know you were religious

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Then you haven’t read everything I put in here over time … I never thought it wasn’t a bad idea to say a prayer if one felt one needed to … it can help to bolster one’s spirit when called upon at times … but looking at what all the ‘major’ religions actually have done for something never seen is pushing an envelope, don’t you think?
            So call me ‘non-aligned’. ‘The Great Spirit’ suits me just as well as any other.

          13. I have respect for all those who are sincerely searching for the truth

          14. 5thDrawer Avatar

            ONE spends a lifetime. Ostensibly, we may find out when it’s over.
            And if ‘Free Speech’ is allowed there, I have some words for the Big Guy.

          15. Heres some guidance to the truth.
            Vatican in Awe,
            Rest my case

            http://clearmindz.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/1500-year-old-bible-claims-jesus-christ.html?m=1

          16. 5thDrawer Avatar

            “To many, this book is a beacon of hope, that believers soon realize that the object of their adoration is arbitrary; and that all text, especially religious text, is subject to interpretation.”

          17. Only Allah can guide people to the truth. And he leaves to stray in sin and kufr whom he wills.
            Arrogance will be most peoples downfall , and humble repentance to the almighty will lead to guidance and salvation

          18. I am a vegetarian… Sorry to disappoint you.

          19. Secondly, if you knew my religion you would not be pointing to the obvious… God IS One in Christianity and He has NO name. Obviously your religion took the name of pre-Islam pagan pantheon name of Allah which was worshiped in kaaba by Arabs with other three hundred and sixty idols. Allah was an idol BEFORE Muhammad even was born. As a matter of fact Muhammad’s dad’s name was abd allah. Hmmmmmm Strange.
            His name is not Jehovah neither because that was the Aramaic answer God gave to Moses saying Ya huwa (I am He).
            He is the Alpha and the Omega, He who has NO name.
            Ya muslim…

          20. Cannibal a vegeterian. HAHAHAHAHA
            You will say anything to win an argument.
            Like you claimed lebs only refer to themselves as Leb and not Leb Christian.
            But then I came along and told you that the only reason I know you are a Leb Christian is coz YOU have referred/labelled yourself Leb Christian.
            You aren’t very good at this, are you.

          21. Aren’t you looking in the mirror and describing yourself?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_-pDpLVVNc

          22. Like I said you are not very good at this.
            “No you” retort. Lmfao
            Seriously, you are dumber than I originally believed..

          23. sleep with me?

          24. Sleep with kess emak! Son of a cheap whore

          25. LOL come on… You and me… Bump?

          26. 5thDrawer Avatar

            (gotta be music somewhere for that .. hmmmm )

          27. Hind Abyad Avatar

            O Hannibal • 6 hours ago
            @yalibnan owner!
            “This is to remind all our readers to respect the community . Comments that contain personal attacks or inappropriate language will be removed”!!
            HELLO HYPOCRITE!!!!!

          28. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Seriously Barabie where’s your avatar? White body dark arms, Amina ?

          29. 5thDrawer Avatar

            (at least the head is the right colour… with Mal’s arms..) 😉

          30. And lol your avatar pic is over ten years old, you deceptive old hag.

          31. Hind Abyad Avatar

            3 years old, you want a new?

          32. I’ve already asked for a new one many a time you deceptive whore.
            And you know exactly what I asked for. So stop your games and prove it was 3 years old.
            NOTHING you bray can be believed after I caught you out impersonating barabie

          33. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Ahh .. memories .. I enjoyed the interlude …. and the evil queen’s demise. :-))

          34. Hind Abyad Avatar

            Who cares …:)

          35. Obviously you do! Hence why you brayed.

          36. That is my dinner tonight:
            Boiled potatoes mashed with salt and olive oil topped with mint.
            Side dish of raw onions…
            Pita Bread…
            Glass of water.

            I promise to brush my teeth before we make out though unless you join me for dinner before. What do you say?

          37. This is my dinner tonight. I learned it about 2 months ago. Third time I make it.
            http://www.kitchenofpalestine.com/mjaddara/

          38. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Seems you have gas for cooking ….

          39. 2 OUT OF 3 AINT BAD , THERE MAY BE HOPE FOR YOU YET

          40. Hind Abyad Avatar

            No pork because they had no frigidaire

          41. Then how do you explain beef and lamb, ya Einstein?
            You Leb Christians are the lamest retards.

          42. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Did you see the YouTube of how fast the guy cuts up a cow in the street in Lebanon and hands out the meat? It’s FRESH to the pot.

          43. Did you see the YouTube of how fast the guy cuts up a pig in the street in Lebanon and hands out the meat? It’s FRESH to the pot.
            .

          44. 5thDrawer Avatar

            It’s the Beans that are questionable …

          45. 5thDrawer Avatar

            that will be tomorrow … approx. noon … ish … you can check then. ;-))

          46. Daft mare is closer. It can check. :))))

          47. Hind Abyad Avatar

            We still eat kenbbe nayies, and in west beef tartar (raw), NOT PORK ignoranr cave dweller.

          48. But daft mares are herbivores. And typical hinding daft mare, instead of admitting it was wrong, it hinds

          49. Hind Abyad Avatar

            In Genesis 9 Noah receives a covenant from the Lord. Part of the covenant removed the prior restrictions against eating meat, allowing Noah and his family to kill animals for food. However, the allowance came with this proviso: “But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it” (verse 4).

            In Christ, these food laws are obsolete, and the New Testament gives no blanket instruction for the church concerning food (Romans 14:14; 1 Timothy 4:3). Romans 14:1–4 teaches, “Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarrelling over disputable matters. One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant?” Scripture allows the Christian to have individual freedom regarding the consumption of meat and how it’s cooked”.

          50. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Goes along with the ‘Judge not, lest ye be judged.’ line, and similar others, which, of course, huge volumes of humans simply can’t adhere to very well, and the prime reason they hate democratic secular laws, which at least can keep even the state from poking it’s nose into the meat of matters in a bedroom.
            Some folks are born voyeurs and critisize both the preparation and the play.
            Apparently ISIS has taken that to the ‘ultimate house level’ and the orgies are provided new rules of theoretical decorum – the males dressed with short-swords and bullet-bandoliers, their assisting female watchers totally covered in black shrouds presenting each dish on a long table, and those meats for the occasion presented naked for the approval and the judging – all of which is blessed by the common prayer at sampling; ‘Allo Akhbar’.

          51. lol but yeah you’re not a Christian, supposedly. Deception at its finest

          52. I couldn’t care less what your silly book brayed.

          53. 5thDrawer Avatar

            But Btru2u does.

          54. In fact, your braying is exactly like Isis. Interesting.

          55. My advice is you should eat more cock. Oops I meant pork.

          56. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Beef is from males … Lamb is babies … both are animals. Ok?

          57. Does your conjecture have the right to overide Allah’s swt instruction.
            Thats the problem with modern christiany. You want to pick and choose what to believe and follow and add and delete fron various versions of the Gospel.
            I am being blunt but honest.
            Glad tidings to the believers in quran and sunna of the prophet pbuh. And a stern warning to the kuffar. This is How it is.

          58. Lol, im Not expecting much, from them

          59. 5thDrawer Avatar

            If we had stayed with all the old language you wouldn’t understand much of what was written here … either … even if it was put down correctly. 😉

          60. What is your point? Neg propagandist and BS seems to be your game. You are totally delusional, you should be worshiping the Jews, they started all this god and allah mumbo-jumbo.
            You will never convince anyone that they are muslim if they do not want to be part of your violent blood cult.

          61. Funny how you didn’t say the same thing to cannibal and master9.
            It’s looking more and more like I was correct about you being a Leb Christian. !

        3. btru2u, everyone has a right to believe or not believe what they want.
          Don’t become like those that expect everyone to follow their religion. In fact, you cannibal and master9 are exactly the same when you three preach that your religion is the right one. If, you all, believe it is right then that’s between you and who you worship..

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            I know you not forget Barry or Cookie … since they don’t care what we follow, as long as they control the gates & walls. 😉
            But that is AWFULLY ‘Secular’ of you …

        4. You are full of shiite. Sorry to all the people here with personal imaginary friends in the sky, but allah can suck it.

          1. There is a play on words there O. I could have written “sh*t”, but I used the term shiite for a more offensive approach. Who cares if you brand someone a bigot, am I meant to be offended? Not.

          2. Obviously a bigot wouldn’t get offended. It’s not done to offend you but to point out the kind of person you.
            But I will pay the double meaning of Shiite. It was intelligent.

        1. 5thDrawer Avatar

          You’ll love this one too ….
          Search You-Tube for a one-hour show … “What Winning looks like.” … Or how it’s really going in Afghanistan because they simply put the bad guys back in charge of everything.

          1. How about your parents embargo on giving you brains and morals.

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar

            In Tripoli, a body can’t even get a passport to it’s own grave in the same city.

        2. Hind Abyad Avatar

          YaLibnan “Reuters article”

          “A deputy commander of a Turkmen brigade told reporters on a trip organized by Turkish authorities that his forces had shot dead both pilots as they descended. U.S. and Turkish officials said they could not confirm the pilots’ status.(HAHA)

          “Both of the pilots were retrieved dead. Our comrades opened fire into the air and they died in the air,” Alpaslan Celik said near the Syrian village of Yamadi, close to where the plane came down, holding what he said was a piece of a pilot’s parachute.”

          “Elmer Elmirism, Pittsburgh, United States, 16 minutes ago
          Turkey has now proven it is on the side of ISIS”

          “ZeusNavigator, at sea, United States, 13 minutes ago
          Despite who’s side Turkey says its on, the fact remains that Turkey is pro-ISIS while Russia is actively fighting and dying to destroy ISIS. There would be no refugee crisis right now in Europe, no Paris bombing or ISIS atrocities if Russian might and influence was there from the beginning.”

          “DeepSky, UK, United Kingdom, 4 minutes ago
          The plane was in and out of that area in about 10 seconds. What was the warning for? To tell them to eject?”

          dailymail.co.uk

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Told us more today …

      2. 5thDrawer Avatar

        Well, OBVIOUSLY, ‘attacks’ CAN be made between personals … as long as the language used is diplomatic and NOT seriously haram to the ‘civilized’ senses.
        For example: See Putin ‘chat’ with Turkish Guy … no-one seriously offended there. 😉

        1. Good try loser but you didn’t succeed in your hypocrisy and deception. In fact, you made yourself look even more desperate and senile.
          Even though that was a personal attack, the language was diplomatic…

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Thank you.

      3. Hind Abyad Avatar

        HELLO HYPOCRITE!!!!!

      4. Hind Abyad Avatar

        Your Isis made the of the Middle East a tragedy of history.

    2. Hind Abyad Avatar

      I see…

      1. You couldn’t see even if you had the Hubble telescope as glasses. One can’t make the blind, see

    3. 5thDrawer Avatar

      Your Basic Bullshit right there. That ‘ETERNAL’ crap. Eyes that cannot see that nothing is ‘eternal’, but changes every second. Too sad.
      As for guys in parachutes … well, they have always been fairly easy targets to people in the mood to shoot. Fairly simple.

  3. johngilbert Avatar
    johngilbert

    If I were Turkey, I would close the Turkish Straits (Dardanelles and Bosphorus) to Russian ships helping Assad and I would send the Syrian rebels manpads ASAP. If Russia wants a nuclear confrontation, there are enough nukes in the Incirlik base in Turkey for one. Thus, they are not afraid of Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, Assad, etc. The Turkmen of Syria and the Tatars of Crimea must be protected by Turkey from the hands of the Russians.

    1. Hind Abyad Avatar

      Yes didn’t your friend Gaza veteran Aric Boleli say ‘Gaza 2008 was a party’.. white phosphorus fire works..

  4. Leborigine Avatar

    Lol, turkey may have just bought a ticket to get blown off the face of the earth!!
    The world is full of idiots.

    1. Ummm you forget that Turkey is part of nato. And nato believes “Collective defence means that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies.”!

      1. I copy pasted this from Wikipedia
        Ever heard of that?
        Wikipedia, it’s on the Internet

        1. Daft mate impersonating me

    2. Daft mare the cheap whore

  5. MekensehParty Avatar
    MekensehParty

    Brushed them. Happy?
    Now go stop your cousins from coming back in body bags can you?
    Pop, pop, pop
    One for Hassan, one for Osama…

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