Gay refugees face abuse in Europe

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Four young  Syrian refugees in their apartment in the German city of Dresden. They were taken out of official refugee shelters after being harassed. (Mario Wezel for The Washington Post)
Four young Syrian refugees in their apartment in the German city of Dresden. They were taken out of official refugee shelters after being harassed. (Mario Wezel for The Washington Post)
DRESDEN, Germany — Rami Ktifan made a snap decision to come out. A fellow Syrian had spotted a rainbow flag lying near the 23-year-old university student’s belongings inside a packed refugee center. The curious man, Ktifan recalled, picked it up before casually asking, “What is this?”

“I decided to tell the truth, that it is the flag for gay people like me,” Ktifan said. “I thought, I am in Europe now. In Germany, I should not have to hide anymore.”

What followed over the next several weeks, though, was abuse — both verbal and physical — from other refugees, including an attempt to burn Ktifan’s feet in the middle of the night. The harassment ultimately became so severe that he and two other openly gay asylum seekers were removed from the refugee center with the aid of a local gay activist group and placed in separate accommodations across town.

As the largest flow of refugees since World War II streams into Europe, Ktifan’s case illustrates an emerging problem for gay and lesbian asylum seekers. Some of them arrive in Europe only to find themselves under threat from fellow refugees.
Gays who face official persecution in nations such as Iran and Uganda have been fleeing to Europe for years. But experts estimate that a record number of gays and lesbians seeking asylum, as many as 50,000, will arrive this year in Germany, the European nation accepting the largest number of refugees. Rather than leaving their home countries specifically because of anti-gay persecution, many are fleeing violence and war in nations such as Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Once in Europe, gays and lesbians are herded along with other asylum seekers into cramped shelters and camps, where a number of them are exposed to serious harassment.

There are no official figures. But the Lesbian and Gay Federation of Berlin and Brandenburg, for instance, says it is receiving three to six cases a week in which gay asylum seekers have been victims of physical abuse, including sexual assault. Earlier this month, a 21-year-old gay Arab asylum seeker in Berlin was hospitalized after he was insulted and assaulted at the refugee center where he was staying. In the city of Dresden, an eastern German metropolis of 525,000, at least seven gay asylum seekers have been removed from shelters this year for their own safety.

Sensing a growing threat, officials in Berlin are seeking to open the city’s first refugee center exclusively for gays and lesbians. The Berlin gay federation, meanwhile, has rolled out a new campaign called Love Deserves Respect, putting up posters inside refu­gee centers showing three couples kissing — a man and a woman, two women and two men.

“Just like everyone else, with the refugees, there are good ones and bad ones, and there are those who are carrying homophobic attitudes from their homelands,” said Jouanna Hassoun, head of the Berlin gay federation’s migrant program. “Those attitudes won’t be abandoned immediately.”

Part of the debate
The incidents are fast becoming political lightning rods, playing into the broader debate in Germany over questions of how to integrate hundreds of thousands of new refugees and whether to start sending more of them back.

The majority of the newcomers are coming from nations in the Middle East and Africa with sharply different laws and social norms from Germany regarding, for example, gays and women. Even some on Germany’s political right — rarely seen as champions of gay rights — have seized on gay bashing as further evidence of the dangers of accepting so many refugees, many of whom may never fully embrace modern German values.

Many on the political left, while demanding protections for all refugees, concede that there is, at the very least, a steep learning curve ahead for newcomers to accept established norms in a country that is led by a female chancellor — Angela Merkel — and that offers legal benefits, if not full marriage, to same-sex couples.

“You must forget what you learned at home about what is right or wrong,” commentator Harald Martenstein recently wrote in the Berlin daily Der Tagesspiegel, addressing refugees. “You do not have to give up your culture, not that. But you must accept the equality of women. You must learn that homosexuals and Jews are just like everyone else. You must bear mocking and satire, even when it concerns your religion. . . . If you don’t accept these rules, you have no future here.”

Ktifan and two other men — Yousif al-Doori, 25, of Iraq, and Ahmed Suliman, 20, of Syria — said that initially they suffered only verbal abuse after word spread about their sexual orientation in a refugee shelter in Munich. But after they were relocated with other refugees to a longer-term facility in Dresden, things took a turn for the worse.

At one point, Ktifan said, another refugee slipped into his room at night, stuck pieces of paper between his toes and set them on fire. Al-Doori said several male refugees from North Africa and the Middle East surrounded him and then demanded sex. He said he pretended to go with one of them willingly before running away. Ktifan, ­al-Doori and Suliman said they were routinely pushed and shoved by fellow refugees while in line for food. Several of the male refugees would shout at them “to go wait with the women,” Ktifan said.

The harassment became so constant that, with the aid of local gay activists, Ktifan, ­al-Doori and Suliman were pulled out of the refugee center last month and installed in a small separate apartment near the city center. The dangers they faced, though, were nothing new.

Before fleeing for Europe, ­al-Doori said, he was kidnapped and held for two days in Baghdad by religious thugs who had tried to extort his family because he is gay. Ktifan said that in Syria he hid his sexuality from all but a select few and initially fled to Libya to escape his country’s civil war. But after a Libyan man tried to blackmail him for being gay, Ktifan said, he returned to Syria. As he grew increasingly fearful of Islamist extremists who were targeting gays and lesbians, he said he decided to join the exodus to Europe.

“We thought we were leaving that kind of treatment behind,” Suliman said. “But inside the refugee center, it felt like we were back in Syria.”

Widely differing views
Yet opinions among refugees regarding gays and lesbians differ widely and often are very nuanced. On a recent afternoon outside Berlin’s teeming main refugee registration center, some asylum seekers who were asked about their beliefs strongly denounced gays and lesbians and said they should not be tolerated.

Others, such as Ali Ahmad Haydari, a 25-year-old father of four who said he had lost two of his children during the war in Afghanistan, said accepting gay rights came with the territory of a new life in Europe.

“I don’t have a problem with that,” he said.“I like the freedom here. Everybody should live as they want.”

THE WASHINGTON POST

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78 responses to “Gay refugees face abuse in Europe”

  1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
    Maborlz Ez-Hari

    They are taqqia-ing.

    1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      Taq Taq taqiah. Rini Rini ya Jarah..

      1. Such lovely Christians you lot are on yalibnan. The embodiment of hatred.

        1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          i only on it barely in the morning and yes after work. the weekend maybe more. but how am i hating. all i was singing a song that originated from Syria. but for you anything to make Christians look bad. but it ain’t going work ISIS lover..

          1. If that wasn’t your intention, then my apologies.

          2. “but for you anything to make Christians look bad. but it ain’t going work ISIS lover..”

            Sweetie, you do a good enough job of making yourself look bad that I don’t need to try.
            As for your lame accusations zzzzzzzzzzz
            Yinee BAYEEKHH

  2. My ballz and daft mare, are those homophobic bigots relatives of yours?

    1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
      Maborlz Ez-Hari

      Did you chip a tooth on your toy again?

      1. I told you I haven’t been using any toys coz your mom is using my batteries, cheap whore can’t even afford its own batteries. That’s what happens when it lives off welfare handouts.

  3. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
    Dubium sapientiae initium

    Ahmed Suliman tells about the reality in the refugee centers, and unfortunately it’s more then only his story – “We thought we were leaving that kind of treatment behind,” Suliman said. “But inside the refugee center, it felt like we were back in Syria.”.

    Christian refugees have been beaten with iron rods be Muslims in the camp.
    Those Christian Arabs believed that there will be an end to persecutions when they arrived in the refugee center.

    introduced new decision on immediate deportation of migrants who have no right to asylum.
    A deportation POLICEWOMAN tells; “I have been spat at and bitten”.

    1. Stop your lies and incitement you low life son of a dirty cheap whore

    2. “Those Christian Arabs believed that there will be an end to persecutions when they arrived in the refugee center.”

      If they are anything like the Christian Arabs on yalibnan then they should be deported to Sweden.

      1. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
        Maborlz Ez-Hari

        Sweden sound good, as far away from your jayie the better.

        1. Good riddance to disgusting bigots like you. Homophobic son of cheap sharmouta.

    3. And where’s the link?

        1. again, where’s the link?
          Giving a homepage link is not a link specifically to what you claimed.
          If you can’t provide the link then you have just been caught out lying.

          1. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
            Dubium sapientiae initium

            “again, where’s the link?”

            The link is on http://m.bild.de/bild-plus/pol

          2. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
            Dubium sapientiae initium

            For a change start following European news-media!

            “again, where’s the link?”

            The link is on http://m.bild.de/bild-plus/pol

          3. Yes it’s obvious you hate based on race, religion etc.
            you remind me of daft mare and my balls.

          4. “Der Spiegel wrote in 2006 that Bild “flies just under the nonsense threshold of American and British tabloids … For the German (or Swedish) desperate, it is a daily dose of high-resolution soft porn”

        2. You deceptive little scum. All you posted was the homepage of bild but after I pointed out your deception you changed it.
          And you still haven’t proven the attack was motivated by religion.

          Sweetie you have been caught out inciting hatred.

        3. Lol quoting the right wing bild just proves you are a hitler whore.

        4. “Der Spiegel wrote in 2006 that Bild “flies just under the nonsense threshold of American and British tabloids … For the German desperate, it is a daily dose of high-resolution soft porn”

    4. “Christian refugees have been beaten with iron rods be Muslims in the camp. ”

      There’s two things you need to prove.
      First: that these beatings actually happened.
      Second: that religion was the cause.

      But to me it is obvious you are trying to create division and hatred.

      1. One more thing. I notice you refer to “Christian REFUGEES” but not Muslim refugees.

        Why?

        1. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
          Dubium sapientiae initium

          You must be really stupid when you just pic up my misprint, but disregarded the description that it happened in a refugee camp – “Christian refugees have been beaten with iron rods be Muslims in the camp. ”

          And that was not the only time when Christian refugees have been attacked by Muslims – https://www.bayernkurier.de/inland/6076-moslems-attackieren-christen-in-asyl-heimen

          1. 5thDrawer Avatar

            The all move to another country, but want to keep the ‘flavour’ of the ‘old country’ intact.

          2. And you expect people to change overnight? Under duress?
            One would think at your age you should know better.
            And are you trying to tell me homophobic and religiously motivated attacks don’t occur in the west?
            Where does the term “poofer bashing” come from?
            Stop your claim to superiority you white supremacist.
            Shouldn’t you be licking a certain bigot”s asshole instead of barking!?

          3. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Where did I say I expected ‘overnight’ …
            (or anything else you put in my mouth for that matter. )

          4. When did I say you said you expect?? It was a question and the word expect didn’t have quotation marks. Do I really need to teach the rules of grammar?
            And I love how you avoided these questions “And are you trying to tell me homophobic and religiously motivated attacks don’t occur in the west?
            Where does the term “poofer bashing” come from?”

            Why did you avoid them? Would you have to admit to hypocrisy?

          5. The only thing a senile white supremacist deserves in its mouth is cock

          6. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Well WE KNOW that YOU can’t supply that EITHER.

            (yah ..I came back…)
            LOLOLOLOLOL … :-))))))))))))))))))))) LOLOLOLOLOL … :-)))))))))))))))))))))

          7. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
            Dubium sapientiae initium

            Further cases of asylum seekers refusing to get off the bus – this time in Limedsforsen.

            What is remarkable is that all who wish to move to Sweden, know nothing about the country than this, asylum seekers are high financial contributions.

            As you say, they want to have “the taste of the old country” intact. But it is impossible in a country that is so sparsely populated.

            The asylum seekers refusing to get off the bus becouse it takes twenty minute walk to the nearest store, it is to cold and so on and on – Appellant and ungrateful when we offer help.
            it’s equal terms for all Swedes in the neighborhood.

            http://www.dt.se/dalarna/malung/asylsokande-vagrar-ga-av-buss-i-limedsforsen
            Inside one of the cabins in Lima cottages, this is not Hilton hotel bout a warm place.

          8. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Looks like a comfortable clean kitchen to me … but then, maybe the bus seat is more comfortable than a kitchen chair. Maybe you need explain that marvellous tool on the right to entice them out … I can write about the Virtues of a Microwave, if it will help. 😉
            Not sure about the wall-paper … preferred paint myself … but that’s me.
            And I never liked bus-trips much.

          9. Keep going asslicker

          10. 5thDrawer Avatar

            LOLOLOLOLOL … :-))))))))))))))))))))) LOLOLOLOLOL … :-)))))))))))))))))))))

          11. You keep hinding!

            O Dubium sapientiae initium
            5 hours ago
            “Christian refugees have been beaten with iron rods be Muslims in the camp. ”

            There’s two things you need to prove.
            First: that these beatings actually happened.
            Second: that religion was the cause.

            But to me it is obvious you are trying to create division and hatred.

            I have to repeat myself with you coz either you are thick or deceptive.

          12. “They ALL”!!???
            You disgusting geriatric

          13. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
            Dubium sapientiae initium

            And “O” (zero?) is coming with “They ALL”!!??? You disgusting geriatric – that is not nice, but he loves to use unpleasant words….
            Horror as Christian migrant ‘brutally beaten with baton in refugee camp’ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f9738322bf3612f1968a4d7c2dc13d71a282c14e95e36158e5da40e1ea2c519d.jpg

          14. You are a disgusting religious bigot

          15. 5thDrawer Avatar

            ‘he’ already made a ‘movement’ … but avoided your cool country …
            LOLOLOLOLOL … :-)))))))))))))))))))))

          16. “And “O” (zero?)”

            Are all you white supremacist geriatrics this lame??

          17. “Christian refugees have been beaten with iron rods be Muslims in the camp. ”

            There’s two things you need to prove.
            First: that these beatings actually happened.
            Second: that religion was the cause.

            But to me it is obvious you are trying to create division and hatred.

            I have to repeat myself with you coz either you are thick or deceptive.

          18. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And your next question will be ‘how do we know which one’s a Christian’?
            LOLOLOLOLOL … :-))))))))))))))))))))) LOLOLOLOLOL … :-)))))))))))))))))))))

            I’d say ‘The one turning the other cheek’.
            LOLOLOLOLOL … :-))))))))))))))))))))) LOLOLOLOLOL … :-))))))))))))))))))))) LOLOLOLOLOL

          19. Keep showing your disgusting religious bigotry you senile son of a whore

          20. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
            Dubium sapientiae initium
          21. Lol sweetie, the only one cornered is you. Hence why you keep avoiding the questions you were asked.

            As for nasty, nothing is more nasty than bigotry, you senile white supremacist geriatric

          22. Seig heil

          23. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
            Dubium sapientiae initium

            Seig heil….

            Mensch Es heißt “Sieg heil” – Dummkopf!

          24. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            That’s btru2u in the middle.

          25. I found a picture of your beloved daddy, seeing you love pics.

          26. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            He was a handsome young man back then.

          27. Michaelinlondon1234 Avatar
            Michaelinlondon1234

            It is funny how netanyaho and the west have used almost all of his policies.

          28. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            And you’re a Dubitus Sapiniente Inanus Nastinus.

          29. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
            Dubium sapientiae initium

            Don’t expect a comment.

            By the way, is he your brother?

          30. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            I already said i’m christian, change your name to Dubium alzheimus. Promess i don’t expect a comment.

          31. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
            Dubium sapientiae initium

            Yes I know you said ” i’m christian, “…
            https://m.facebook.com/paldf.pal/photos/pcb.860661237382079/860661104048759/?type=3&source=48

            Is this toddler the further generation of Palestinians?

          32. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Err, excuse me Mr Dumbium sillypoofterentiae how about you go live in their country as payback? It’s only fair if they going to invade your strip then you have every right to their joint. Take some warm clothes and plenty of water and when you get there say hello to the folks with the really long beards they very friendly and obliging.

          33. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
            Dubium sapientiae initium

            Are you on some drugs?
            “.. It’s only fair if they going to invade your strip ..”, you call EU a strip?
            You said it, those are indeed invaders.

          34. Maborlz Ez-Hari Avatar
            Maborlz Ez-Hari

            Invaders are a result of an invasion. Tell the big heads of the EU to stop their part in this catastrophe.

          35. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
            Dubium sapientiae initium

            They can close the borders, which will be the end of EU.
            The real catastrophe will start then, border control will be in the hands of the military.

          36. LOLLLLLLLL

          37. Dubium sapientiae initium Avatar
            Dubium sapientiae initium

            Do I need to change my sex as well?

          38. Hind Abyad Avatar
            Hind Abyad

            -Dubium sapientiae initium Hind Abyad • an hour ago

            “Don’t expect a comment.
            By the way By the way, is he your brother?” View

            -Dubium sapientiae initium Hind Abyad • 14 hours ago

            Yes I know you said ” i’m christian, “…
            https://m.facebook.com/paldf.p
            Is this toddler the further generation of Palestinians?

          39. “Retirement is boring i concede, but stop boring others.”

            LOL I might borrow that one day.

          40. Why? You are already a tranny

          41. “Don’t expect a comment.”

            Lol as it comments. Fuck you are one dumb bigot.

          42. Tvivel är vishetens begynnelse Avatar
            Tvivel är vishetens begynnelse

            It was just a remark (not a comment) made to your protege, the “proud” Christian Palestinian.
            https://youtu.be/X–B_fE3K24

          43. And your hero

          44. Misprint?? BULLSHIT!!

            “Exact figures on religious or other disputes in refugee centers do not exist”
            “Observers have to make do with the collection of individual cases and not always can the motive be determined properly.”

            Lol that is from your link.
            Btw being on a English and providing non English links is just either dumb or deceptive.
            Hate filled low life you are.

  4. “You must bear mocking and satire, even when it concerns your religion”

    WTF!!
    NO ONE should have to bear religious bigotry! or any other type of bigotry. Funny how my ballz and daft mare come to mind as I typed that

  5. 5thDrawer Avatar

    Going to need another empty island soon …Where IS that guy offering to buy up islands??

    1. Michaelinlondon1234 Avatar
      Michaelinlondon1234

      We sent him of to build a nice civilised city on the red sea on the Egyptian coast.

  6. Michaelinlondon1234 Avatar
    Michaelinlondon1234

    Another US propaganda scam.

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