U.S. outraged over remarks of Israeli DM about Kerry

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Moshe Yaalon, new Israel DMA U.S. State Department spokeswoman expressed outrage Tuesday over a news report in which Israelโ€™s defense minister was said to have dismissed Secretary of State John Kerryโ€™s Middle East peace push as naive and messianic.

โ€œThe remarks of the defense minister, if accurate, are offensive and inappropriate, especially given all that the United States is doing to support Israelโ€™s security needs,โ€ the spokeswoman, Jen Psaki, said in an email message as Kerry prepared to leave for Kuwait after meetings at the Vatican.

Kerry and his negotiating team โ€œhave been working day and night to try to promote a secure peace for Israel because of the secretaryโ€™s deep concern for Israelโ€™s future,โ€ she said. โ€œTo question his motives and distort his proposals is not something we would expect from the defense minister of a close ally.โ€

The Israeli daily Yediot Aharonot said in a lengthy article published Tuesday that the minister, Moshe Yaalon, had โ€œvoiced deep skepticismโ€ and โ€œspared no harsh wordsโ€ about Kerry and President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority in โ€œprivate conversationsโ€ with Americans and Israelis. Yaalon, a senior member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahuโ€™s Likud Party who has long taken a hard-line stance on the Palestinian question, was not quoted directly in the article; his comments were attributed to unnamed sources.

โ€œThe American plan for security arrangements that was shown to us isnโ€™t worth the paper it was written on,โ€ Yaalon, a former chief of Israelโ€™s military, was described as having said. โ€œIt provides neither security nor peace.โ€ The article said Yaalon had said Kerry โ€œoperates from an incomprehensible obsession and sense of messianismโ€ and โ€œcanโ€™t teach me anything about the conflict with the Palestinians.โ€

โ€œThe only thing that might save us is if John Kerry wins the Nobel Prize and leaves us be,โ€ Yaalon was quoted as saying. โ€œWeโ€™ve given enough and have received nothing. In a free translation from English, we will tell our American friends, enough is enough.โ€

If the report is accurate, it would be the most public and personal rift between a high-ranking Israeli official and the United States over the peace process since the U.S.-brokered talks started last summer. The relationship has also been under strain because of deep disagreements regarding the diplomatic deal in the works on Iranโ€™s nuclear program.

This new spat comes as Kerry is trying to persuade Abbas and Netanyahu to agree to a framework that would set out core principles of a peace deal and provide guidelines for continuing to discuss the details.

Senior Israeli and Palestinian officials have in recent days splashed cold water on the effort, suggesting that the two sides have irreconcilable differences on borders, refugees, security, the status of Jerusalem and the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state. A senior member of Netanyahuโ€™s coalition said in an interview published last week that not one settlement in the occupied West Bank would be evacuated. Abbas said over the weekend that he would never agree to Israelโ€™s recognition demand, and that East Jerusalem must be the Palestinian capital – something senior Israeli ministers have said in recent days is impossible.

Yaalonโ€™s spokesman did not respond to requests for comment about the Yediot article or Psakiโ€™s response. But the Israeli news website Ynet quoted the defense minister as saying later Tuesday that the United States was โ€œour strongest friend and most important ally.โ€

โ€œRelations between the United States and Israel are intimate and very meaningful for us,โ€ Yaalon said, according to Ynet, the online sister of Yediot. โ€œWhen there are disagreements, we settle them in private rooms, including with Secretary of State Kerry.โ€

Other Israeli politicians rushed to repair the damage. Although Netanyahu did not address the Yaalon comments directly, he said during a speech in Parliament on Tuesday that the United States was โ€œour greatest allyโ€ and that Israel was โ€œworking in cooperationโ€ with the U.S. president, vice president and secretary of state.

โ€œWe maintain our interests, while cultivating this important tie between the two nations,โ€ he said. โ€œWe strive to reach a true peace accord.โ€

President Shimon Peres also expressed his support for what he called Kerryโ€™s โ€œextraordinary commitment.โ€ In a Parliamentary speech, he said, โ€œOur deep friendship with the USA is a central component of Israelโ€™s security and a force for the advancement of peace in the region.โ€

On Facebook, Tzipi Livni, Israelโ€™s justice minister and one of its two lead negotiators, criticized the tone of Yaalonโ€™s reported comments, saying, โ€œWe can oppose negotiations in a responsible and measured way, without compromising relations with our best friend,โ€ meaning the United States.

Yuval Steinitz, Israelโ€™s strategic affairs minister and another senior Likud leader, said on Israel Radio on Tuesday morning that he agreed with the content of Yaalonโ€™s critique of the Kerry initiative, but not the character. โ€œWith all the disagreements that we sometimes have,โ€ Steinitz said, โ€œwe have to keep one ironclad rule: without personal insults.โ€

And Avigdor Lieberman, Israelโ€™s foreign minister, told Jewish leaders in Geneva that โ€œit isnโ€™t right and is not helpful to Israel to have a loud and public argument,โ€ according to the Israeli daily Haaretz.

โ€œThe U.S. is Israelโ€™s bravest ally and has proven it many times over the years,โ€ Lieberman was quoted as saying. โ€œSo there is no place for personal attacks, even if there are occasional differences.โ€

The focus of Yaalonโ€™s complaint, according to the Yediot article, concerns the security arrangements for the Jordan Valley. Israel has insisted on a long-term presence of its soldiers on what would be the future border with a Palestinian state, something the Palestinians say would compromise their sovereignty. The U.S. position on how many soldiers should stay for how long is unclear, but part of the plan is to use high-tech tools to ensure security, something Yaalon derided, according to the article.

Kerry, who spent four days in Jerusalem and the West Bank in serial meetings with Abbas and Netanyahu just after the New Year holiday, had been considering a return this week, depending on progress in the talks. A senior U.S. official said Tuesday that the decision not to return right away did not indicate a slackening in the effort, and that he was likely to be back in the region within weeks.

The Globe and Mail

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  1. Kerry and his negotiating team โ€œhave been working day and night to try to promote a secure peace for Israel because of the secretaryโ€™s deep concern for Israelโ€™s future,โ€

    ahahahha sure, as if Kerry gives a single crap about Israel or the palestinians. He’s just begging for that so called Nobel Peace Prize. Even that monkey Arafat beat him to it.

    1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      Maybe if you’re too proud to accept american help, then please give us back the billions of dollars that USA giving you.. once you stop being dependent on united states, then do whatever you want.. otherwise you need to give palestinanians what you have taken from them. otherwise you will never leave in any peace..

      1. Nothing was taken from the “palestinians”, the West Bank was taken from Jordan. Name me a fraction in time when this area in Turkish Ottoman Empire, later ruled by Britain and France, belonged to an Arab state (Jordan’s occupation was illegal, even considered so by the Arab League).

        Please, lets not confuse the American people with anyone associated with the Obama administration. Our allies in congress, and the vast support amongst the American public (as shown in polls) is what we thank for; not to mention the friendly ties from previous administrations. Only a fool however believes that Kerry gives a crap about Israel or its security.

        1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          you mean your cronies in congress or rather your slaves whom you own and will destroy their careers if they don’t vote for you. these senators and congressmen all bought by the israeli lobbies.. So what about the story of David and Goliath.. David being the Jew and Goliath is the “palestinian”. how did they fight if they were not neighbors.. second why did you push out over 100K palestinians to Lebanon border.. Why did Henry Kissinger visit arafat to convince him to take over Lebanon since he was not successfull in Jordan.. its okay for you guys to destroy countries and push people out of their homes.. destroy economies as long as you people live in comfort. I guess the holocaust didn’t teach you anything.. If the US do not give a crap about Israel then Obama would have stopped the aid to israel.. didn’t Bill Clinton tried to do what Kerry is doing? Stop your arrogance and hegemony.. that’s what your DF looks like.. you will never live in peace as long as you think that way.

          1. The support for Israel is overwhelming in the U.S.

            “Americansโ€™ sympathies for Israel matched an all-time high according to a Gallup poll released on Friday [15/03/13]
            According to the poll, Americans heavily favor the Israelis over the Palestinians, 64 percent versus 12%.”

            A minority of Jews being attacked by 22 Arab countries did not “push” 100k losers into Lebanon. It was a war, and in a war its natural for people to flee from their homes. Plus its a fact that the Arab Higher Committee went around encouraging the Arabs of Palestine to temporarily get out of the way for a few days, and come back when Israel is gone.

            The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem, following the March 8, 1948, instructions of the Arab Higher Committee, ordered women, children and the elderly in various parts of Jerusalem to leave their homes: โ€œAny opposition to this order… is an obstacle to the holy war… and will hamper the operations of the fighters in these districts.โ€ The Arab Higher Committee also ordered the evacuation of โ€œseveral dozen villages, as well as the removal of dependents from dozens moreโ€ in April-July 1948. โ€œThe invading Arab armies also occasionally ordered whole villages to depart, so as not to be in their wayโ€ (Middle Eastern Studies, January 1986; See also Morris, pp. 263 & 590-592).

            On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: โ€œIt must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugeesโ€™ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalemโ€ (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

            โ€œThe Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,โ€ according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

            Your leftist kumbaya mind doesnt seem to realize that Its the Arabs who attacked Israel every time, and them who started an ethnic war against Jews in the 1920s.

            The Arab palestinians have rejected their own state in 1937, 1947, 1967, 2000, 2001 and 2008. Notice however that between 1948 and 1967, when Jordan had the West Bank, no one talked about a palestinian state. Instead the West Bank was used to launch attacks against Israel.

            If the Arabs drop their weapons and their hate, there will be peace. If Israel drops its weapons, there’ll be no more Israel.

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Rejected Lebanese citizenship too.

          3. ya and whose fault is that.

            When 850,000 Jews were forcibly deported from Arab countries from 1948, with billions worth of property confiscated, Israel immediately absorbed them and gave them citizenships and jobs.

            When 700,000 Arabs fled palestine, most of whom left because they were fleeing a war, their Arab “brothers” have thrown them into ghettos and if its not enough they didnt become citizens, even their descendants are still refugees. Its completely unheard of for a child of a refugee to be called a refugee, no other people on the planet have this ridiculous status.

            Perhaps one day this UNRWA filth agency will be dismantled

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar

            So today, there is NO refugee camp for the Syrian refugees โ€ฆ. Will new births in Lebanon become Lebanese citizens as they should?

          5. Interesting question. I think at least some would end up like this, but with the help of UNHCR tons of them will be given homes. Already tens of millions of refugees have been given homes by UNHCR, so why not the Syrians? The thing with the palestinians is that they have their own agency UNRWA (again, the only people on the planet with their own refugee agency, also get lots more funding) and this UNRWA is biased against Israel, hoping one day this demographic threat can be used against Israel.

            There are thousands of Lebanese and their descendants who fled to Israel from the Lebanese civil war, and are now Israeli citizens. So it happens.

          6. 5thDrawer Avatar

            As it should โ€ฆ and as it has for millions of us born in ‘other countries’. Which gives us an identity – a place to call ‘home’ – a place we are connected to with some pride. It’s a place we can vote in, and help to determine a better future with.

          7. My pride is with Israel. Where’s yours? ๐Ÿ˜›

          8. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Canada. A much nicer spot to be in. Thank you.

          9. I KNEW you is a Canadian for some reason ๐Ÿ˜€

            lol your Prime Minister is the best just sayin bouwahaha

          10. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Probably because I told you BEFORE where I live. Geezzz. โ€ฆ
            And don’t get into the politics here โ€ฆ even for God’s sake. :-)))))

          11. lol but even before that I guessed

            So, how to start my day. I mostly post early hours of the morning so am exhausted when I wake up. Hmmmmm.

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And I woke up too early for good TV and it’s dark. So โ€ฆ. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          13. Watched Machete again yesterday, excellent movie.

          14. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Ahhh .. raging youth โ€ฆ I have gone to minimum channels and off most of the time. An age thing .. perhaps โ€ฆ takes a lot to entertain me. :-)))

          15. Nah I watch on my laptop (break time whenever I want), TV is boring.

          16. 5thDrawer Avatar

            My eyes LOVE a big screen. ๐Ÿ™‚ The iPhone is a pain – even if useful.

          17. lol ๐Ÿ˜›

            ok, I overslept, gotta start the day with table football and perhaps a Lebanese for lunch. Dont worry, ill be back tonight though, I promise…

          18. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Cio ..

          19. OMG my post on CNN is the best rated (same story as this article), 104 upvotes and counting ๐Ÿ™‚

          20. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            64% favors Israel… to the Palestinians… not to Obama

        2. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          One more thing.. your DF supports building additional settlements.. what does that mean i suppose taken over lands that don’t belong to you and building on it.. very simply put it..You don’t care about anybody else but yourselves.. you’re just as fanatic as Al Qaada..

          1. correction ,israels Greed is the root cause of all the worlds problems in the last 60 years and beyond. Even Hitler knew that the jews were exploiting the germans in the depression, by demanding Gold from the Germans for Bread. He left a few behind to show the world , what they were like , and why he did what he did. THIS IS FACT..

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar

            They are NOT the only greedy humans Btru2u โ€ฆ.

          3. Israel hasnt built any new settlements in 20 years. What’s being built is homes inside existing settlement blocks that would be annexed to Israel anyway. Something nothing short of pathetic to whine about.

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Even if the ‘design’ is slightly pathetic, true. And should be apartments for ANY who wish to buy. Expanding population=expanding concrete. Expanding settlements. What is known in other countries as cities.
            For that matter, is there anywhere in Israel or Lebanon where one can cast an eye on the ‘beautiful’ landscape to the horizons, and NOT see a concrete house?
            No wonder all the brains are locked up in concrete.

          5. I dont give a crap about settlements, ive never even step foot in the West Bank.

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Half an ‘up’ for you. Another mixed message.
          And sure, cookie .. Americans didn’t vote for Obama. Your ‘types’ keep telling us that since he was elected โ€ฆ for the second time โ€ฆ by people who cared for America, we presumed. I suppose that was all faked? Oh, yah, a Zionist plot.
          Polling people about how they ‘feel’ about another country, when they have never been there or even thought about it generally, does not relate largely to how they will vote for their own politicians. I suspect most feel their tax dollars would be better utilized on their own health-care system – which is not quite up to the one in Israel, for instance.

        4. MekensehParty Avatar
          MekensehParty

          What polls are you referring to when you talk about the American public?
          We do think Israel is an ally and a friend, but you shouldn’t confuse this with incommensurable love… If a time comes where the public needs to take side with the US president or some schmuck who grew up in a communist kibbutz, rest assured that Americans will side with their president no matter what.

          1. I posted it below.

            This is not an Israeli interests vs. American interests thing, no matter how much you make it to be. This is a conflict between Israel and the palestinians, and complaining that Kerry couldnt give a crap about Israel’s security is not being anti-American.

            As you probably know, the Obama administration has quite a history of betraying Israel’s security. Nuclear deal with Iran, bowing to the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, informing the Assad regime of Israeli strikes, communicating with Hezbollah in London.. the list is quite big that goes way beyond the Israel/Palestine conflict.

          2. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Betrayal, directly, the traitor accusation…
            Look at it the other way, our own ex-secretary of defense, a big name Republican too, calls your PM arrogant and ungrateful…
            The deal with Iran is for your benefit regardless of what the Israeli propaganda machine is telling you. How Iran without a nuclear warhead is a threat to you? They have nuclear energy generators, why not? They don’t and wont have the bomb… We guaranteed it many times and delivered on it.
            Kerry wants peace and a noble price? Absolutely and if he pulls this one he will be remembered for brokering peace in the ME, something none of his predecessors were able to do, and if he fails the next Sec. of state will try again. But we have never stopped trying to get that peace that was torpedoed by the Palestinians and Arabs at first and now is being torpedoed by you. Israel can’t protect itself behind concrete walls and iron-domes, Israel needs to have a solid peace and open-up and integrate with it surrounding in full security. Only then it will stop being a matter of “survival” and move to a state of “living”… Forget the millions of wars in the paste and settle for a good life in the present.

          3. Kerry is the biggest hypocrite of them all. He knows nothing about peace, and this also applies to the situation with Iran. Iran has carried out terrorist attacks in 25 cities in 5 different continents; theyre a threat to the entire region, especially Saudi Arabia. During the negotiations period, Kerry never criticized the continuous stabbings of innocent Israelis in the West Bank and even in mainland Israel, never said anything about Abbas calling convicted murderers, “heros”. Same applies to Iran, how many times in the past few months has Khamenei called America “the great satan”, a few days ago he even accused the U.S. of being run by “nazi space aliens”; and yet all Kerry does is listen to the sugar coated dribble coming from Rouhani, who doesnt even have much power. Its unbelievable how deluded some politicians can be. I wouldnt be surprised if Kerry is threatening Natanyahu with EU sanctions if he doesnt negotiate with people who dont recognize Israel, but of course, we should pretend to be thankful for his wonderful kindness and help *sarcasm*.

            There have been great people like Anwar al Sadat and Yitzkhak Rabin who are amongsts best examples in modern history for what peace means and how its achieved. They got murdered trying to do good, not because they gave a crap about some so called “peace prize” that a terrorist like Yasser Arafat ends up with.

            “Israel can’t protect itself behind concrete walls and iron-domes, Israel needs to have a solid peace” – wow, you obviously dont live in the Middle East if you have this mentality of thinking our neighbors are like Canada or Switzerland. How dyou like those nice rocket attacks on Arsal and Hermel, perhaps its your fault for not making peace with the Islamic State of Iraq and other terrorists who “love death more than you love life”, in Hamas’ words.

    2. cook.. solution to Palestinian issue. Israel annex the West back entirely or get out of it entirely. If Israel decides to annex, let the fu*cking begin. I bet in 20 years the Israel PM will be Palestinian, the PLO should have demanded annexation back in the eighties but typical Arabs have short term mentality. What do you think about that no area A,B nor C. It might turn out to be great for all. Most Palestinians I know don’t care to have a Palestinian state, they just want dignity that is denied to them by Israel.

      1. Sure, lets discuss this.

        Remember what happened when Israel withdrew from Gaza? the PA barely survived for a week. Withdrawing from the West Bank means rocket attacks on Israeli coastal towns, not even necessarily from the palestinians but the jihadis which will infiltrate the area from the Jordan Valley. Lets not forget that when Jordan controlled the West Bank for 19 years, the area was used by the PLO to stage terrorist attacks against Israel. So lets not pretend such a thing never happened. Thats your “peaceful” two state solution for you.

        A one state will wipe Israel out in 10 years. Its a demographic time bomb as you yourself just suggested.

        What’s the solution? The solution is that Israel annexes Area C (60%) of the West Bank. There are 350,000 Jews there, and only 100,000 Arabs. These Arabs would be given citizenship. Only 2% of West Bank palestinians live in Area C. And then Israel should remove all checkpoints and give Areas A and B full autonomy, even a state if they wish (not that they bothered establishing a political entity out of Gaza, just more rocket attacks as expected).

      2. Hind Abyad Avatar
        Hind Abyad

        Middle East is in Chaos, Irak War, now Syria, cause they put salafist there
        they will take Syria, made regime change in Egypt. Can’t any stupid Arab
        realise Zionist Motto “From the Euphraetus to the Nile” axis advancing?

        1. Who benefited from the Iraq war? Iran, your darling.

    3. Hind Abyad Avatar
      Hind Abyad

      Crookhalfmonkey

      1. Yes Hind very charming as always

        1. Hind Abyad Avatar
          Hind Abyad

          You’re the one who said monkey

          1. LOL, he was a monkey though. Stupid pizza cloth on his head spreading terrorism all over the place.

  2. cook2half Avatar

    Kerry and his negotiating team โ€œhave been working day and night to try to promote a secure peace for Israel because of the secretaryโ€™s deep concern for Israelโ€™s future,โ€

    ahahahha sure, as if Kerry gives a single crap about Israel or the palestinians. He’s just begging for that so called Nobel Peace Prize. Even that monkey Arafat beat him to it.

    1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
      nagy_michael2

      Maybe if you’re too proud to accept american help, then please give us back the billions of dollars that USA giving you.. once you stop being dependent on united states, then do whatever you want.. otherwise you need to give palestinanians what you have taken from them. otherwise you will never leave in any peace..

      1. cook2half Avatar

        Nothing was taken from the “palestinians”, the West Bank was taken from Jordan. Name me a fraction in time when this area in Turkish Ottoman Empire, later ruled by Britain and France, belonged to an Arab state (Jordan’s occupation was illegal, even considered so by the Arab League).

        Please, lets not confuse the American people with anyone associated with the Obama administration. Our allies in congress, and the vast support amongst the American public (as shown in polls) is what we thank for. Only a fool however believes that Kerry gives a crap about Israel or its security.

        1. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          you mean your cronies in congress or rather your slaves whom you own and will destroy their careers if they don’t vote for you. these senators and congressmen all bought by the israeli lobbies.. So what about the story of David and Goliath.. David being the Jew and Goliath is the “palestinian”. how did they fight if they were not neighbors.. second why did you push out over 100K palestinians to Lebanon border.. Why did Henry Kissinger visit arafat to convince him to take over Lebanon since he was not successfull in Jordan.. its okay for you guys to destroy countries and push people out of their homes.. destroy economies as long as you people live in comfort. I guess the holocaust didn’t teach you anything.. If the US do not give a crap about Israel then Obama would have stopped the aid to israel.. didn’t Bill Clinton tried to do what Kerry is doing? Stop your arrogance and hegemony.. that’s what your DF looks like.. you will never live in peace as long as you think that way.

          1. cook2half Avatar

            The support for Israel is overwhelming in the U.S.

            “Americansโ€™ sympathies for Israel matched an all-time high according to a Gallup poll released on Friday [15/03/13]
            According to the poll, Americans heavily favor the Israelis over the Palestinians, 64 percent versus 12%.”

            A minority of Jews being attacked by 22 Arab countries did not “push” 100k losers into Lebanon. It was a war, and in a war its natural for people to flee from their homes. Plus its a fact that the Arab Higher Committee went around encouraging the Arabs of Palestine to temporarily get out of the way for a few days, and come back when Israel is gone.

            The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem, following the March 8, 1948, instructions of the Arab Higher Committee, ordered women, children and the elderly in various parts of Jerusalem to leave their homes: โ€œAny opposition to this order… is an obstacle to the holy war… and will hamper the operations of the fighters in these districts.โ€ The Arab Higher Committee also ordered the evacuation of โ€œseveral dozen villages, as well as the removal of dependents from dozens moreโ€ in April-July 1948. โ€œThe invading Arab armies also occasionally ordered whole villages to depart, so as not to be in their wayโ€ (Middle Eastern Studies, January 1986; See also Morris, pp. 263 & 590-592).

            On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station ( Cyprus ) said: โ€œIt must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugeesโ€™ flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalemโ€ (Samuel Katz, Battleground-Fact and Fantasy in Palestine, NY: Bantam Books, 1985, p. 15).

            โ€œThe Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies,โ€ according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin, (February 19, 1949).

            Your leftist kumbaya mind doesnt seem to realize that Its the Arabs who attacked Israel every time, and them who started an ethnic war against Jews in the 1920s.

            The Arab palestinians have rejected their own state in 1937, 1947, 1967, 2000, 2001 and 2008. Notice however that between 1948 and 1967, when Jordan had the West Bank, no one talked about a palestinian state. Instead the West Bank was used to launch attacks against Israel.

            If the Arabs drop their weapons and their hate, there will be peace. If Israel drops its weapons, there’ll be no more Israel.

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Rejected Lebanese citizenship too.

          3. cook2half Avatar

            ya and whose fault is that.

            When 850,000 Jews were forcibly deported from Arab countries from 1948, with billions worth of property confiscated, Israel immediately absorbed them and gave them citizenships and jobs.

            When 700,000 Arabs fled palestine, most of whom left because they were fleeing a war, their Arab “brothers” have thrown them into ghettos and if its not enough they didnt become citizens, even their descendants are still refugees. Its completely unheard of for a child of a refugee to be called a refugee, no other people on the planet have this ridiculous status.

            Perhaps one day this UNRWA filth agency will be dismantled

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar

            So today, there is NO refugee camp for the Syrian refugees โ€ฆ. Will new births in Lebanon become Lebanese citizens as they should?

          5. cook2half Avatar

            Interesting question. I think at least some would end up like this, but with the help of UNHCR tons of them will be given homes. Already tens of millions of refugees have been given homes by UNHCR, so why not the Syrians? The thing with the palestinians is that they have their own agency UNRWA (again, the only people on the planet with their own refugee agency, also get lots more funding) and this UNRWA is biased against Israel, hoping one day this demographic threat can be used against Israel.

            There are thousands of Lebanese and their descendants who fled to Israel from the Lebanese civil war, and are now Israeli citizens. So it happens.

          6. 5thDrawer Avatar

            As it should โ€ฆ and as it has for millions of us born in ‘other countries’. Which gives us an identity – a place to call ‘home’ – a place we are connected to with some pride.

          7. cook2half Avatar

            My pride is with Israel. Where’s yours? ๐Ÿ˜›

          8. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Canada. A much nicer spot to be in. Thank you.

          9. cook2half Avatar

            I KNEW you is a Canadian for some reason ๐Ÿ˜€

            lol your Prime Minister is the best just sayin bouwahaha

          10. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Probably because I told you BEFORE where I live. Geezzz. โ€ฆ
            And don’t get into the politics here โ€ฆ even for God’s sake. :-)))))

          11. cook2half Avatar

            lol but even before that I guessed

            So, how to start my day. I mostly post early hours of the morning so am exhausted when I wake up. Hmmmmm.

          12. 5thDrawer Avatar

            And I woke up too early for good TV and it’s dark. So โ€ฆ. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          13. cook2half Avatar

            Watched Machete again yesterday, excellent movie.

          14. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Ahhh .. raging youth โ€ฆ I have gone to minimum channels and off most of the time. An age thing .. perhaps โ€ฆ takes a lot to entertain me. :-)))

          15. cook2half Avatar

            Nah I watch on my laptop (break time whenever I want), TV is boring.

          16. 5thDrawer Avatar

            My eyes LOVE a big screen. ๐Ÿ™‚ The iPhone is a pain – even if useful.

          17. cook2half Avatar

            lol ๐Ÿ˜›

            ok, I overslept, gotta start the day with table football and perhaps a Lebanese for lunch. Dont worry, ill be back tonight though, I promise…

          18. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Cio ..

          19. cook2half Avatar

            OMG my post on CNN is the best rated (same story as this article), 104 upvotes and counting ๐Ÿ™‚

          20. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            64% favors Israel… to the Palestinians… not to Obama

        2. nagy_michael2 Avatar
          nagy_michael2

          One more thing.. your DF supports building additional settlements.. what does that mean i suppose taken over lands that don’t belong to you and building on it.. very simply put it..You don’t care about anybody else but yourselves.. you’re just as fanatic as Al Qaada..

          1. correction ,israels Greed is the root cause of all the worlds problems in the last 60 years and beyond. Even Hitler knew that the jews were exploiting the germans in the depression, by demanding Gold from the Germans for Bread. He left a few behind to show the world , what they were like , and why hid did what he did. THIS IS FACT..

          2. 5thDrawer Avatar

            They are NOT the only greedy humans Btru2u โ€ฆ.

          3. cook2half Avatar

            Israel hasnt built any new settlements in 20 years. What’s being built is homes inside existing settlement blocks that would be annexed to Israel anyway. Something nothing short of pathetic to whine about.

          4. 5thDrawer Avatar

            Even if the ‘design’ is slightly pathetic, true. And should be apartments for ANY who wish to buy. Expanding population=expanding concrete. Expanding settlements. What is known in other countries as cities.
            For that matter, is there anywhere in Israel or Lebanon where one can cast an eye on the beautiful landscape to the horizons, and NOT see a concrete house?
            No wonder all the brains are locked up in concrete.

          5. cook2half Avatar

            I dont give a crap about settlements, ive never even step foot in the West Bank.

        3. 5thDrawer Avatar

          Half an ‘up’ for you. Another mixed message.
          And sure, cookie .. Americans didn’t vote for Obama. Your ‘types’ keep telling us that since he was elected โ€ฆ for the second time โ€ฆ by people who cared for America, we presumed. I suppose that was all faked? Oh, yah, a Zionist plot.
          Polling people about how they ‘feel’ about another country, when they have never been there or even thought about it generally, does not relate largely to how they will vote for their own politicians. I suspect most feel their tax dollars would be better utilized on their own health-care system – which is not quite up to the one in Israel, for instance.

        4. MekensehParty Avatar
          MekensehParty

          What polls are you referring to when you talk about the American public?
          We do think Israel is an ally and a friend, but you shouldn’t confuse this with incommensurable love… If a time comes where the public needs to take side with the US president or some schmuck who grew up in a communist kibbutz, rest assured that Americans will side with their president no matter what.

          1. cook2half Avatar

            I posted it below.

            This is not an Israeli interests vs. American interests thing, no matter how much you make it to be. This is a conflict between Israel and the palestinians, and complaining that Kerry couldnt give a crap about Israel’s security is not being anti-American.

            As you probably know, the Obama administration has quite a history of betraying Israel’s security. Nuclear deal with Iran, bowing to the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, informing the Assad regime of Israeli strikes, communicating with Hezbollah in London.. the list is quite big that goes way beyond the Israel/Palestine conflict.

          2. MekensehParty Avatar
            MekensehParty

            Betrayal, directly, the traitor accusation…
            Look at it the other way, our own ex-secretary of defense, a big name Republican too, calls your PM arrogant and ungrateful…
            The deal with Iran is for your benefit regardless of what the Israeli propaganda machine is telling you. How Iran without a nuclear warhead is a threat to you? They have nuclear energy generators, why not? They don’t and wont have the bomb… We guaranteed it many times and delivered on it.
            Kerry wants peace and a noble price? Absolutely and if he pulls this one he will be remembered for brokering peace in the ME, something none of his predecessors were able to do, and if he fails the next Sec. of state will try again. But we have never stopped trying to get that peace that was torpedoed by the Palestinians and Arabs at first and now is being torpedoed by you. Israel can’t protect itself behind concrete walls and iron-domes, Israel needs to have a solid peace and open-up and integrate with it surrounding in full security. Only then it will stop being a matter of “survival” and move to a state of “living”… Forget the millions of wars in the paste and settle for a good life in the present.

          3. cook2half Avatar

            Kerry is the biggest hypocrite of them all. He knows nothing about peace, and this also applies to the situation with Iran. Iran has carried out terrorist attacks in 25 cities in 5 different continents; theyre a threat to the entire region, especially Saudi Arabia. During the negotiations period, Kerry never criticized the continuous stabbings of innocent Israelis in the West Bank and even in mainland Israel, never said anything about Abbas calling convicted murderers, “heros”. Same applies to Iran, how many times in the past few months has Khamenei called America “the great satan”, a few days ago he even accused the U.S. of being run by “nazi space aliens”; and yet all Kerry does is listen to the sugar coated dribble coming from Rouhani, who doesnt even have much power.

            There have been great people like Anwar al Sadat and Yitzkhak Rabin who are amongsts best examples in modern history for what peace means and how its achieved. They got murdered trying to do good, not because they gave a crap about some so called “peace prize” that a terrorist like Yasser Arafat ends up with.

            “Israel can’t protect itself behind concrete walls and iron-domes, Israel needs to have a solid peace” – wow, you obviously dont live in the Middle East if you have this mentality of thinking our neighbors are like Canada or Switzerland. How dyou like those nice rocket attacks on Arsal and Hermel, perhaps its your fault for not making peace with the Islamic State of Iraq and other terrorists who “love death more than you love life”, in Hamas’ words.

    2. cook.. solution to Palestinian issue. Israel annex the West back entirely or get out of it entirely. If Israel decides to annex, let the fu*cking begin. I bet in 20 years the Israel PM will be Palestinian, the PLO should have demanded annexation back in the eighties but typical Arabs have short term mentality. What do you think about that no area A,B nor C. It might turn out to be great for all. Most Palestinians I know don’t care to have a Palestinian state, they just want dignity that is denied to them by Israel.

      1. cook2half Avatar

        Sure, lets discuss this.

        Remember what happened when Israel withdrew from Gaza? the PA barely survived for a week. Withdrawing from the West Bank means rocket attacks on Israeli coastal towns, not even necessarily from the palestinians but the jihadis which will infiltrate the area from the Jordan Valley. Lets not forget that when Jordan controlled the West Bank for 19 years, the area was used by the PLO to stage terrorist attacks against Israel. So lets not pretend such a thing never happened. Thats your “peaceful” two state solution for you.

        A one state will wipe Israel out in 10 years. Its a demographic time bomb as you yourself just suggested.

        What’s the solution? The solution is that Israel annexes Area C (60%) of the West Bank. There are 350,000 Jews there, and only 100,000 Arabs. These Arabs would be given citizenship. Only 2% of West Bank palestinians live in Area C. And then Israel should remove all checkpoints and give Areas A and B full autonomy, even a state if they wish (not that they bothered establishing a political entity out of Gaza, just more rocket attacks as expected).

      2. Hind Abyad Avatar
        Hind Abyad

        Middle East is in Chaos, Irak War, now Syria, cause they put salafist there
        they will take Syria, made regime change in Egypt. Can’t any stupid Arab
        realise Zionst Motto “From the Euphraetus to the Nile” axis advancing?

        1. Who benefited from the Iraq war? Iran, your darling.

    3. Hind Abyad Avatar
      Hind Abyad

      Crookhalfmonkey

      1. cook2half Avatar

        Yes Hind very charming as always

        1. Hind Abyad Avatar
          Hind Abyad

          You’re the one who said monkey

          1. cook2half Avatar

            LOL, he was a monkey though. Stupid pizza cloth on his head spreading terrorism all over the place.

  3. Hind Abyad Avatar
    Hind Abyad

    Who’s Kalled Hassan Quzoun found dead in his car in Qob Ellias Valley..just now?

  4. Hind Abyad Avatar
    Hind Abyad

    Who’s Kalled Hassan Quzoun found dead in his car in Qob Ellias Valley..just now?

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